I've always been been led to believe that the trinity represents God in spirit through Jesus and the holy Spirit. I don't understand why people believe that it is one individual. It would be like us talking to ourselves and there would be nobody else there we would just be listening to ourselves. And when Jesus says that he goes to sit at the right hand of his father, well again if we said that to ourselves we would be sitting alone. And let's not forget about the gift of the holy Spirit, I know it has been a true blessing in my life. Thank you Father for your Son and Holy Spirit amen.
From what you've written it's hard to tell if you believe in the Trinity or not. You seem very confused. If the Trinity were true, then the resurrected Jesus would not be at the right hand of his Father but fused to him as a part of his person along with the person of the Holy Spirit. You'd also have to explain Matt 24:36 Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." Why would the Son not know? Why does the so called third person of the Trinity, The Holy Spirit also not Know? The night before his death Jesus show that he and his Father had different wills. Luke 22:41-4 41 And he withdrew from them about a stone’s throw away, and he bent his knees and began to pray, 42 saying: “Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.”a 43 Then an angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him.b 44 But he was in such agony that he kept praying more earnestly;c and his sweat became as drops of blood falling to the ground. A third line of evidence concerns Jesus’ relationship with his followers. Even after he was raised from the dead to the spirit realm, Jesus called his followers “my brothers.” Matthew 28:10 10 Then Jesus said to them: “Have no fear! Go, report to my brothers so that they may go to Galʹi·lee, and there they will see me.” Were they brothers of Almighty God? Of course not! But through their faith in Christ-God’s preeminent Son-they too became sons of the one Father. Galatians 3:26 You are all, in fact, sons of God that through your faith in Christ Jesus. What the Nicene Creed says: “We believe . . . in one Lord Jesus Christ . . . that is of the substance of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God.” What the Bible says: “My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. * “I [Jesus] ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.”-John 20:17. “To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3. “These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. *
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You were doing so well with your gratitude, but then I fear you would offend Jesus by saying his IS God. This trinity doctrine is Heretical. It was not accepted at all for at least 150 years after Christ's death, and not widely for another 200 years at a the poorly attended council of Nicaea, which was gathered by a pagan Emperor. Like, Easter,Christmas, Halloween and other so called Christian practices, The Trinity is more evidence that just calling something Christian does not make it so. Examine your church, does it approve of such pagan practices? Would it encourage you to fight in war for your country, even if that meant killing your Christian brothers, or anyone else ? We need to prove our gratitude for what God did for us by sending his son and his son's willingness to obey his father by worshipping God in spirit and TRUTH.
You haven't read your Bible. YHWH is the name of God and it says so around 7000 times. Jesus is never referred to as 'LORD'(capital letters) and is never called Almighty God.
The way I see it is God present himself in 3 different ways, he plays different roles in our life to allow for a relationship, guidance, and still letting you know he his the judge at the end. He is infinite and not limited to just being Jesus on earth. If he can create vessels for eternal souls why argue he couldn’t create a vessel for himself to relate to the human experience? However I haven’t thoroughly read the Bible and was hoping to get some actual verses from the Bible about the trinity 🤷🏼♂️
Eternal souls ? Where did this idea come from? In the Bible, the soul is mortal .(Ezek 18 :4). Why not actually read what Jesus said and did. He prayed to his God. He worshipped his God. He had a God. The resurrected Jesus had a God. (Jphn 20 :17 ). The glorified Jesus in heaven itself still had a God. (rev 3 :12). Hundreds of times Jesus is differentiated from God in the NT. The Jesus of the NT DIED. An immortal God cannot die. The claim of the gospels is : Jesus is the messiah (Christ), the Son of God. (Mat 16 :16).
@Ameer Adel Who is “the first and the last”? The Bible applies this term both to Jehovah God and to his Son, Jesus, but with different meanings. Consider two examples. At Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah says: “I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.” Here Jehovah highlights that he is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39) In this case, then, the expression “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega Additionally, the term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” occurs at Revelation 1:17, 18 and 2:8. In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life. Thus, these verses cannot refer to God because he has never died. (Habakkuk 1:12) However, Jesus died and was resurrected. (Acts 3:13-15) He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven, where he now lives “forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:18; Colossians 1:18) Jesus is the one who performs all resurrections thereafter. (John 6:40, 44) Therefore, he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Jehovah. (Acts 10:40) In this sense, Jesus can properly be called “the First and the Last.” Does Revelation 22:13 prove that Jesus is “the Alpha and the Omega”? No. The speaker at Revelation 22:13 is not specifically identified, and there are various speakers in this chapter. Commenting on this section of Revelation, Professor William Barclay wrote: “Things are set down without any apparent order; . . . and it is often very difficult to be sure who is the actual speaker.” (The Revelation of John, Volume 2, Revised Edition, page 223) Thus, “the Alpha and the Omega” at Revelation 22:13 can be identified as the same Person given this title elsewhere in Revelation-Jehovah God.
Not being able to comprehend God makes me believe it more because if I were making a religion I’d mske it easy to understand because most people would prefer that better
@@EthInGrace Try to replace "I am" with "God" if it makes sense to you... Before Abraham was, God... or ... before Abraham was I am (the planned/promised Messiah)?
@@pozorovatellidi Lol read the OT verse hes quoting from and do the same, dont need to replace anything, with the saying the jews understood this yet you with the whole internet cannot grasp it, this is hardening your heart to the truth.
@@EthInGrace OT verse makes sense (Exodus 3:14 ...This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am (God) has sent me to you.’”) though the Exodus "I am" statement is different in original language than "I am" in NT of Jesus, just translation is the same. Jews understood Jesus claimed he was Son of God, not the God. Jews would never thought such a thing that Jesus claimed to be the God as the God is not a human. Yes, read it all. John 8: 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me... 54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me."... so your claim what Jews thought is refuted.
@@Jesus777_7_9 Jesus is the one true God there is no such thing of three persons equal a one God: Father, Son , and Holy Spirit are characteristics of God Jesus, that’s why when Jesus told his disciples to go baptize the people in the NAME of the Father Son Holy Spirit: so the disciples went and Baptized everyone in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST : so if your pastor is baptizing in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit , he is wrong, those are not names there all characteristics that the name Jesus has: Jesus is the Father, Jesus is the Son and Jesus is the Holy Spirit so the name of God is JESUS: Praise God Almighty !!
@@barberq210 : If Jesus is the one true God, who is the God he prayed to? Who is the God that resurrected the dead Jesus? Who is the God that the resurrected Jesus was ascending to ? (John 20 :17). Who is the My God that the glorified Jesus in heaven itself tals about? (Rev 3 :12) Anyone who reads the NT can see that hundreds of times Jesus is differentiated from God and that the Jesus of the NT has a God.
@@JosephSmith-ph4xrread Genesis the first chapter if you know how to read let us make man that's in Genesis you don't know how to read you just don't believe God's words where's your faith?
Dont forget where you are baptized in. NIV Bible. Matthew 28:19 [19]Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matthew 28:19 mentions the Father, Son and holy spirit in the same verse, but it does not say that they exist in one divine essence as the Trinity doctrine says. It does not say that they are three persons in one God, all co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial. The doctrine of the Trinity as taught in churches is not stated anywhere in the Bible. That's why it was necessary for the church in the fourth century to formulate the Trinity doctrine in multiple councils under Roman Emperor Constantine the Great. Jesus taught that the Father was greater than he was and he called his Father "my God" even after his resurrection. (Revelation 3:12) Also, Philippians 2:9 says that God exalted Jesus to a higher position than he had before. The fact that God exalted Jesus to a higher position shows that Jesus is not equal to God and that God and Jesus are not co-equal as the Trinity states. The Bible also says that Jesus was created, whereas God (whose name is Jehovah or Yahweh) was not created and does not have a beginning. Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus the “Firstborn of all creation” and Revelation 3:14 says that Jesus is the “beginning of the creation by God.” These scriptures show that God and Jesus are not co-eternal.
With all respect to you my brother in Christ but none of this is biblical and I would love to have a live bible study or a personal bible study with you
@@tdickensheets no you are the Satanist. Trinitarianism is an obvious lie meant to nullify John 3:16 and the sacred feminine. Those that espouse lies are Satanists. You aren't even a Christian by your own belief. Trinity = voiding John 3:16. A God cannot sacrifice itself to itself and give up nothing.
@@ex-trinitarian5196 it's in the Bible, and we can read the scripture without anyone teaching us from 325 AD their own version just as the many pagan teaching from false organizations that have weird doctrines of today that are not in the Bible. One tells us that only 144,000 go to heaven and another tells us that Heaven is divided into 3 tiers and men can become a god. Depending on which version you like best, thats the one that gets your tithes.
This is a great explanation! Really helped some of the students at the Christian school, in which I teach. Would you consider goin much, much slower in videos this complex? Please consider better pacing so that viewers can process what you teach!
Are you serious ? This is all nonsense. The idea of a Trinity evolved in post-apostolic times when Greek educated theologians and Apologists borrowed platonic language to impress pagans. Jesus himself tells us that he had a God. The resurrected Jesus still had a God .(John 20 :17). The glorified Jesus in heaven had a God. (Rev 3 :12). Hundreds of times in the NT, Jesus is differentiated from God. The claim of the Evangeklists ws not that Jesus was God but that he as the Christ, the Son of God i.e, One other than God.
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr Did Jesus christ say that the father and I are one, If you see me you see the father, the father lives in Me, Question is your body subject to your soul and spirit, and can do nothing without life.? And is your spirit and soul and body, one in personality and one in name?
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 : Jesus did indeed say that the Father and I are One. But what did he mean? I put it to you that it is in the same sense as we find in John 17 :11; 21; 23. Likewise, as Jesus is the messiah, the Son of God. the image of God, , we understand that having perfectly reflected his heavenly father, he could easily say "if you have seen me you have seen the Father", given that no man can see God.( Mat16 :16; Col 1 :15; Heb 1 :3; John 1 :18) Given that only the Father has life in himself and that Jesus has been given/granted Life in himself and all authority, Jesus cannot be the father or the supreme God. (John 5 :26)
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr Question, do you believe that the word (Jesus christ)become flesh and dwelled with man, And in the beginning was the word and the word was God, And do you believe that in Rev 22 that the lamb sits on His glorious throne, And that the angel of the lord revealed the name of the word/the lamb to the world as Jesus christ the one and only savior of man. Jesus christ is the Everlasting father, Mighty God who lives in bodily form in the glorified lamb who sits on the throne of God and gives direction to all things 🙏
Matthew 1:18-25 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: .
I already know the truth: Jesus alone is God: if anyone disagrees they might want to really read the word, but not just read it, make sure God is speaking to you for revelation and truth. The trinity has been taught for so long that comes from the catholic church that it’s so hard for people to run away from that false doctrine. I also once was a trinitarian until God gave me truth and understanding and I really had to humble myself to admit I was wrong
You have a sinned against a holy God. If you have lied, stolen, and used His name as a cuss word, you have sinned. Since He is holy, he punishes sinners in the lake of fire. But God is rich in mercy to all who call upon Him. Jesus lived a perfect life and suffered and died on the cross for your sins, taking the punishment on Himself. He rose again on the third day after He died. “He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” Please repent and believe in this gospel alone for salvation. Come to Jesus in faith and repentance, and God will give you the righteousness of Christ.
Jesus suffered the evils of sinful men. He did not take any punishment from God. He laid down His life od His own volition in that God's mercy might be justified, and extended to those that should believe and obey His commandments......... Its all about man working together with God to establish a covenant relationship of love that cannot be obtained by any other means...........be blessed Willie
At 3:01 you state, "There is subordination within the Trinity"....Please explain? Not according to classic Trinitarian doctrine going all the way back to Gregory of Nyssa, "There is no priority, no posteriority, and certainly no inferiority." Thks
Jesus is subordinate to the Father often when on earth even saying "not my will, but the Father's". Jesus waited for the Father to give Him all authority and not just taking it away from the Father. The Holy Spirit only came when Jesus requested it as the Holy Spirit didnt make that choice on His own.
The BEST example I have heard as an analogy is the United States Government: ONE GOVERNMENT made of 3 BRANCHES. All 3 branches, co-equal, make up ONE GOVERNMENT.
All the three branches of the U. S. government that you are saying are not equal in power. They’re being ran politically by those who are in the administration.
@@paeng46 3 Persons make up 1 God. They each serve a different function, Biblically. There is a great article on the Got Questions site that offers a fantastic assessment of the Trinity.
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit….”-Matthew 28:19 Notice that the word “name” is singular (not plural i.e., “names”). Also, the definite article “the” is placed in front of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, thus implying plurality within unity. The Trinity is not Modalism-the view that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one person; nor is it Tritheism-the view that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate Gods. Although the Trinity cannot be totally comprehended, it can be apprehended and seen illustrated in the world of nature. Take, for example, an illustration involving three candles. Even after lighting each candle, they are still separate and distinct. However, when one combines each of the three flames together, they become one flame. In the same way, each member of the Trinity is separate and distinct, yet they are one God. As Walter Martin founder of the Christian Research Institute put it: “God is not triplex (1+1+1)-He is triune (1X1X1), and he has revealed Himself fully in the Person of our Lord, Jesus Christ (Col. 2:9, John 14:9).” -Christian Research Institute tract, Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Trinity
I like to imagine human beings as Sims characters with super advanced AI trying to somehow understand the one and only computer programmer who created the game, computer, and everything that makes it work. Literally impossible for the characters in the game to just jump through the screen and understand exactly how they were made and why they were made. We should just appreciate that we have a good God that doesn’t want to watch people suffer for his own enjoyment, yet in our flawed human egos and inability to accept why we cannot accept, we constantly glorify the one who does.
If there are three people in God , you have to admit; there's no Father, no Son and no Holy spirit, all of them have the same length of time, no one is older than the other, because they were born in One time. One thing is whether I am stupid or all of you are. Thanks
So why is God no respector of persons, is a question. Why is this strange for me to comprehend ? Why did Jesus say that he was not good, only God is good ? Why am i having a question here....and then who is the father in this. Two words, meaning what exactly ?
Jesus is not God's Son in the sense of human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God's Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, "The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God." During His trial before the Jewish leaders, the High Priest demanded of Jesus, " I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God" (Matthew 26:63). "Yes, it is as you say; Jesus replied. `But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven" (Matthew 26:64). The Jewish leaders responded by accusing Jesus of blasphemy (Matthew 26:65-66). Later before Pontius Pilate, " The Jewish insisted, We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He claimed to be the Son of God" (John 19:7). Why would His claiming to be the Son of God considered and be worth of a death sentence? The Jewish leaders understood exactly what Jesus meant by the phrase "Son of God." To be the Son of God is "of God." The claim to be of the same nature as God--to in fact be God--was blasphemy to the Jewish leaders; therefore, they demanded Jesus' death, in keeping with Leviticus 24:15. Hebrew 1:3 expresses this very clearly, "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being." Another example can be found in John 17:12 where Judas is described as the "son of perdition." John 6:71 tells us that Judas was the son of Simon. What does John 17:12 mean by describing Judas as the "son of perdition"? The word perdition means "destruction, ruin, waste." Judas was not the literal son of "ruin, destruction, and waste," but those things where the identity of Judas' life. Judas was a manifestation of perdition. In this same way, Jesus is the Son of God. The Son of God is God. Jesus is God made manifest (John 1:1 14).
this is a great explanation of the term "son of God" and a strong case for Jesus also being God, but I just can't help but remember what Jesus said himself "The Father is greater than I," for the son is not greater than the father- seems like Jesus really clarified how we should think of his relationship to the father here :c
You begin by saying that the first thing to recognise is that we wont understand the trinity; sadly, this is probably the only accurate statement you make. The scriptures that you use do not portray a trinity as 3 in one and the diagram is irrelevant. They may portray 2 persons working together using the power that is the holy spirit. When Annanias was condemned for Lying to the Holy spirit, and to God , does that mean that they are one and the same? No. Annanias was a spirit annointed follower who lied to the spirit, or as some translations read "played false to" in that he deliberately worked against the spirit, and lied to God in that he acted as if God did not see his lies. This in no way requires God and the holy spirit to be one. The term Elohim used in Genesis is a plural term that is used to portray majesty, and the Jews never understood God to be a trinity. It is also not wrong for God to say us as Jesus in his pre-human form was WITH him, BESIDE him as a master worker(Prov 8v30). This is why he is described as the "FIRSTBORN of creation", and "only begotten". Clearly Jesus had a beginning, was 'Born' as it were, is a creation. The Bible is NOT trinitarian as you claim. The entire Bible clearly describes An almighty creator, creating a firstborn SON, who then work together to create the rest of creation. This is why God says let US make man. You have to have a very devious mind to twist scripture to embrace a belief which had its origins in the pagandom of Egypt and Babylon. If God wanted us to view and understand him as a trinitarian deity, why use the Father and Son analogy ? Surely if you wanted to use the Family as a starting point you might use identical or even conjoined twins, or triplets if you want to include the Holy Spirit. Don’t get me started on that . No wonder Jesus warned of those rising up after the passing of the apostles to speak twisted things, to draw disciples after themselves. This trinity doctrine is abhorrent and Satanic, like the immortality of the Soul, hellfire and other beliefs that reduce God’s glory and paint him as a tyrant. The trinity also undermines the working of the ransom. The whole principle of Christ’s ransom hangs on the equivalence of Jesus death as a perfect man and what Adam lost. Christ proved the Devil a liar, and that it was possible for Adam to have done what Jesus did. If Jesus was an uncreated God who always had life in himself , then there is no equivalence with Adam and the Ransom does not work. It also means that Jesus did not really die as a third or even half of him was still alive in heaven and able to regenerate himself. Adam could not do that. These things are so important that I do not say lightly that the trinity doctrine is a teaching of Demons. You rightly say that the trinity has been a cause for controversy, but only hundreds of years after the death of Christ. This is because there never was a need for the trinity doctrine. The Bible made sense without it ,but the devil has used this confusing, and by your own declaration, incomprehensible teaching to "blind the minds "of people. They certainly don’t seem to teach logic in theological schools, or divinity studies.
@@Jesus777_7_9 i suggest you look at genesis 1:27, and who was god talking too when he said this hmmmm, when the apostles ask when will the end come jesus clearly stated only the father in heaven knows
The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God-three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who are God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity: 1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5). 2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity. In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus’ baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity. 3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity-the Father. 4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16). 5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14. 6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus’ human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things. The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent. The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus’ works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
It's not the problem of the trinity concept of doctrine there's no such thing God is this at = Ephesians chapter 4 verses 4 and 5 and 6 here we go Verse 4 = One body One Spirit One Hope Verse 5 = One Lord One Faith One Baptism Verse 6 = One God the Father Over all Through all In all This is the Divine being Only One Form Only One Person Only One Spirit God Manifest in Only One Form
I have a question. Besides in name, how can there be anything to distinguish the "persons" one from another, considering each "person" is eternal perfect unchanging all knowing...like in what way would we distinguish one from another? None of them would leave any space for another to display any perfection the other "person" isnt already displaying....or alternatively if there is a space for one to display perfection that means another lacks perfection...which would mean not God?
That's a great question! The names, Father, Son, and Spirit, are in fact identifiers; not titles. Their relations ARE how we distinguish them. So the Father is defined by His eternal giving of Himself to the Son; the Father begets. The Son is defined by receiving His being from the Father from eternity; the Son is begotten. The Spirit is defined by being the Who/What the Father shares from Himself to the Son; the Spirit proceeds from the Father to the Son. In these relationships, there is a first movement (Giving/ receiving/ being given and received), but first is not a chronological term. It's a defining principle in the Person in question. I HIGHLY recommend reading Delighting in the Trinity by Michael Reeves.
To your second question about displaying perfection, consider this: God is love. Love is relational in its nature--it's not an abstract concept. If God was love from eternity, then love would be possible with no "other." But God is perfect, so God should love Himself. Why then would God create an "other" with whom to share his love (Adam, Creation)? However, God has been love from eternity. God has shared all of himself (perfect giving of love) and received all of himself (perfect receiving of love) within the Divine Persons. Therefore, God is both self-sufficient and love, and Creation is a natural overflow of love from a God who has loved from eternity before any being was created.
@@pedroaenamorado2 i dont understand a word of this. For one, u describe the "son" as receiving...but God needs to receive nothing, infact God can receive nothing for there's nothing to add or give to perfection. So that makes no sense. Also, "god is love" i don't know what that means but regardless i disagree (sounds like some hippie nonsense ngl, no offense). God is that which nothing greater can be conceived. What even is love? Lol.. I suppose we have to define the word love before we throw it around in a philosophical discussion, especially in relationship with God! As far as God being loving, id say God lacks nothing. We humans do lack, we need to give to others and have relationships and reach outside ourselves to feel more complete. We are creations and we are not complete unless we are giving. God needs nothing, God is perfect, God doesn't need to give but God chooses to. If you say God needs to give i find that to be less than perfect, if God needs anything outside of Himself, than how is He perfect? Furthermore ur basically admitting that the 3 are all "other" to each other, which sounds like polytheism, not monotheism. Help me understand, thnx
im only a simple theist, thats the place im approaching this from. i have read (and loved) Ed Fesers book "5 proofs of the existence of God" and i found it logically convincing. however i saw in it evidence for a God that a perfect simplicity and unity. and this is from a catholic scholar, mind you. i guess i was wondering if the trinity aspect of faith can also be presented logically without contradicting the logic of fesers 5 proofs, or if it is simply a "leap of faith", something one believes because they trust the authority of the doctrines that speak of it (which isnt at all an unreasonable thing, i rely much on authoritive ideas in regular life, as i have done since i was a child and needed guidance from parents and other adults. i just want clarity on the concept) Thank you@ronaldorivera4674
i appeal only to logic. nothing else. i feel you are saying, without saying, that you will not give me reason but your reason is the bible, or some scripture. so you've answered my question it seems without commiting yourself to it, which is unsatisfactory and dissapointing. i prefer to speak straight to reiterate if u want to answer me, just explain my question. explain with logic. God is that which nothing greater can be conceived, God is not confined to space or time or any constraints. If there was more than one God or if God had more than 1 part, or more than 1 personality, what would distinguish one from the other? one would not know more than the other, they would not exist in different spaces. it would be like two perfectly overlapping identities. it just makes no logically sense. perfection has to be one. the wills cannot be different for each will is absolute without challenge or opposition. now i tell my kids that me and their mother are both completely in charge, but thats a lie i tell my kids, obviously me and their mother cannot be completely in charge because in fact if we argue one of us gets their way over the other. so in fact their mother is in charge it turns out. i just dont admit it to them ;) anyway i will follow logic and the faith that follows logic appeals to me. i am convinced that there is a God BECAUSE of logic. but you dont seem happy that i am a theist and a believer in God because i dont believe in the same concept as God as you do? that i find odd. go read "5 proofs" for yourself. or better yet, come up with your own proof to convince me all over that God exists, and that also exists as 3 divine personalities or whatever the trinity is that u believe. i cant accept any scripture as divine if it flies in the face of logic. 2+2=4 (i know thats considered racist nowadays lol. see how religions always fight against logic? like the faith of CRT) @ronaldorivera4674
It simply means One in purpose. (Unity within the God head)...In John 17 Jesus also said the believers would become ONE with Father, just as HE is one with the Father. Does this mean that all the believers are now God? No, may God forbid such foolishness. Well according to the flawed oneness theology it must then be true, because we are ONE with the Father just as Jesus is ONE with the Father........The Godhead (Authoritative structure) is made up of 3 individual personalities, having individual souls.......Willie
I am sorry Michelle but this is one of the weakest arguments for the trinity. Compare what Jesus said in prayer to his Father at John17:20-22. here Jesus requests that all his followers should " be ONE, just as you the Father are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us" and that "they may be ONE just as we are one". Was Jesus asking that his followers become part of the trinity? or that they all would become literally the same person? Of course not. He was describing the unity of mind and purpose that would be desirable among his followers. Something that sadly became extremely difficult when apostates introduced this divisive doctrine hundreds of years after his death.
How can Jesus be god when he himself speaks of god as his father. It’s clear to me at least that God, the son, and the Holy Spirit are three separate entities. Amen
You are a soul/conscience and spirit/life and have a body as one person. When you think about something no one knows what you thinking, unless you speak out a loud so someone can hear you. We would not know what Jesus christ was thinking or when the father speaks to Jesus christ to Jesus christ, If it was not spoken out a loud, because it was for the disciples benefit, and not for Jesus Himself.
I grew up understanding the three same people as this: 1. GOD the FATHER in HEAVEN 2. GOD the SON, when he choose to come to EARTH in the form on MAN. 3. GOD the HOLY SPIRIT. When GOD the SON went back to heaven and LEFT HIS SPIRIT (the Holy Spirit) upon the earth to guide us and protect us. So it is three forms of GOD. Not three different Gods. I guess what messes people up is the "Pray to the Father through the SON..." As in you will have Eternal Life through the Acceptance of GOD the SON, and what the form did on earth. Could the separate FORMS of GOD be because the JEWS did not believe in GOD the SON and GOD the HOLY SPIRIT? I think that MAN may have intervened in the written bible or that GOD was showing US HUMANS that there was a difference to certain peoples of GOD. That being said, the New Testament reconciles GOD the SON to be the GOD of both JEWS and GENTILES. The HUMANS of this EARTH have made changes to everything they did not understand in every Cultural Period/EMPIRE Rule since the beginning of time and that it was the Proceeding Culture that Interpreted the Previous Culture, in their own way or to their own purposes.( ie Read about How the Catholic Church used the Pagan peoples (Visi-goths and Vaga-Goths and Germanic Tribes own holidays and pagan believes and aligned them with Christian Beliefs in order to subjugate them or bring them in to the fold)
The term "God the father, God the son and god the holy spirit does not exist in the Bible." I agree that the Catholic Church manipulated scripture for its own ends as you say, but there never was a need to change the truth of god's word. Jesus said in his closing words to his disciples that all authority had been given him in heaven and on earth, but he later he is said to hand that back to his father after he has accomplished his Father's will (1 Corinthians 15:34). This clearly shows that God and Jesus are separate, otherwise this could not happen .
@@Buddhism555_35 “Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?” John 14:8-9 KJV
The scripture is very very clear Whosoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God (2jn1:9) Jesus said No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son Again; Jesus said O righteous Father the World have not known you but I know you and this have known that you sent me ( Jn17: 25) Very Very Clear Verse JESUS SAID THE WORLD HAS NOT KNOWN GOD ALMIGHTY QUESTION Where did Jesus teach YHWH...? Can you provide even only one verse..? (26) And I have DECLARED to them your NAME and will declared it that the love with which you Love me may be in them and I in them JESUS DECLARED TO HIS DISCIPLES THE NAME OF THE FATHER John said this is the message which we have heard from him and Declared to you that GOD IS LIGHT and in him there is no darkness (1jn1:5) GOD IS LIGHT JESUS IS LIGHT John said we know that the Son of God is come and given us an understanding that we may know him, that is True, and we are in him, that is True even his Son JESUS CHRIST this is the TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE (1JN5:20) JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL ( NOT YHWH) GAL 1:8 is very very clear verse Paul said but even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you let him be Accursed 1cort 8:6) One God the Father One Lord Jesus Christ God was manifest in the flesh (1tim 3:16) or God Come in the flesh His name is JESUS He was in the world and the World was made by him and the World knew him not (Jn1: 10) THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM ( NOT THEM , NOT YHWH) JESUS MADE THE WORLD ALONE John said for many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh, this is Deceiver An Antichrist (2JN1:7) JESUS said the first of all the commandment is HEAR O ISRAEL the Lord our God is One Lord (Mark 12: 29) Question Who is One Lord..? Answer Paul said Jesus Christ is One Lord (1cort8:6) Paul said Jesus is the great God and savour (Titus 2: 13) For I am the Lord thy God the Holy ONE of Israel thy Savior isa 43:3 Thus saith the LORD thy redeemer and he that formed thee from the womb, I AM the Lord that makes ALL THINGS, that stretcheth forth the heaven ALONE, that spread abroad the earth by MYSELF ( isa44:24) I am Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end, Saith the LORD which is, which was and which is to come the ALMIGHTY Rev 1:8 John said Only ONE SAT on the throne Rev 4:2 Paul said Jesus throne is forever and ever heb1: 8 Question Where is the Throne of Yhwh..? Jesus and All Apostoles never taught Yhwh God is Light Jesus is light God is I Am Jesus is I Am
Jesus is THE Son of God. Just like infinity divided by any number is still infinity, Jesus being God's ONLY begotten Son from the bosom of the Father makes him God, because he is of the divine nature; the Godhead.
Acts 5:3-4 New International Version 3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
14:3 The trinity is hard to understand because it isn't real. The first thing that is needed to do to accept the trinity is to redefine the words used in the original languages for god. Elohim, your Old Testament word can be either plural or singular, depending on context, but never meaning more than one person inside god in Hebrew literature. It's just not there. Theos is the Greek word for god, and it is never found meaning more than one person inside god, except when a god eat other gods, which doesn't count or describing the trinity. Outside of the trinity these two words are never used to describe a god with more than one person inside that god, which means to accept the trinity is to redefine these words to something they were never used as in their respective literature. or even the Bible itself.
The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God-three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who are God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity: 1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5). 2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity. In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus’ baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity. 3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity-the Father. 4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16). 5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14. 6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus’ human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things. The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent. The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus’ works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit. There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God-but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God’s greatness and His infinitely higher nature. “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” (Romans 11:33-34).
@@robertabrao7785 Isaiah 9:6, ESV: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Gen 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. verse 26 Then God said, 'Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.' There is strong evidence that we find in the Word of God for the doctrine of the Trinity in just minutes. Even the Old Testament itself prophesies of the full Deity of the coming Messiah. He is the Mighty God who was to be born as a son (Isaiah 9:6). Jehovah is called "Mighty God" in the next chapter (Isaiah 10:21). Jesus is "God with us" (Isaiah 7:14). God Himself even promised to come suddenly to His temple as the messenger of the covenant (Malachi 3:1) and His way is prepared by John the Baptist (Isaiah 40:3). These two verses are applied to Jesus at Mark 1:1-3. Even Zechariah 12:10 where Jehovah is "pierced" is quoted and applied to Jesus in John 19:37 and Revelation 1:7. Do you believe this and Luke 7:16? "Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, "A great prophet has arisen among us!" and, "God has visited His people!"" There is much scripture you can look at(Genesis 1:1-2, 26, Isaiah 9:6, 48:16, Zech. 12:10, 6:40, Mark 2:28, 12:37, John 8:57-59, Matthew 12:6, John 14:14, John 16:15, Matthew 28:18-19, John 14:26, 15:26, Psalm 104:30, 1 Corinthians 2:10-11, Psalm 139:7-8, Hebrews 9:14) and I'm sure you have and still haven't changed your mind. I also wont change mine based off of how I understand scripture.. not twisting it. If you have a different understanding on it, so be it. Either way we are still brothers and sisters and we will have to answer to God in the end for our mistakes!
@@BigFishAndPewPews First of all you have a contradiction in your opening statement and point 4. You can't say that there are 3 persons inside God, and then turn around to say that each one of them are God as an individual. The three persons as Gods, actually two persons as Gods is Biblical. Jesus called the Father His God in John 20:17, when Jesus said "...I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." Then Thomas did the same thing with Jesus and identified Jesus as God and nobody else as God in John 20:28, "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." This makes both the Father and Jesus Gods individually, and not as a group. A group of persons never make a God in the Bible or in Greek or Hebrew literature. As for one God, that is explained in Ephesians 4:6. where it says, "One God and Father of all, who is above all,..." The top God is the Father of ALL, which includes being the God of Jesus Christ. This is the God in the Old Testament that claims there is no Gods beside Him, because He is the God of ALL. An example of Elohim in a singular form, Genesis 32:30 and 1 Kings 11:33 as only two of them, which there are a lot more. Us only means two or more, and is not proof there were three. Verse like Genesis 1:26 don't prove there are more Gods, but that God is talking to somebody else like Him. As it turns out we can figure out through other passages that Jesus also took part in creation. Jesus would be the us referred to in verse 26, and there is no proof there is anbody else. It also doesn't show the relationship in the passage, so it isn't proof of a trinity. Holy in the term Holy Spirit is an adjective that describes, which Spirit we are talking about. The Greek often puts an article before Spirit and after Holy. When the Greek does this it is like English in that an article like the is never in front of a name. This means that Holy Spirit isn't a name, but a thing. It also means that Holy is not needed to identify which Spirit we are talking about. The Spirit of God is described in 1 Corinthians 2:10-11. The Holy Spirit is the spirit that is within the Father just like we have a spirit within us. Keep in mind what the word God means in the Greek and Hebrew, and it all fits. Is the Father Jesus' God, John 20:17. Is Jesus our God, John 20:28. Is Jesus the Father's God? There is no Scripture for that, because the word God means Supreme Being. Jesus is not the Father's Supreme Being, because the Father is God of all, Ephesians 4:6, and the Father is the only one Who can say there are no other Gods like Me. There are two Gods, but we all follow only ONE GOD, even Jesus follows the father.
@@robertabrao7785 You have put a lot of thought into this, but you need to take the Bible for what it says, and not from somebodies theology. Go at the question of the trinity fresh and prove it one way or another. If something doesn't fit, then you have the wrong idea, Everything has to fit in order to have the message the Bible is telling you. I can write all day long to help you, and may even be right, but in the end it has to come from the Bible. You also need to say on topic, when explaining yourself. Otherwise it is longer and harder to follow your points. Read my reply to Anthony.
@@robertabrao7785 You have put a lot of thought into this, but you need to take the Bible for what it says, and not from somebody's theology. Go at the question of the trinity fresh and prove it one way or another. If something doesn't fit, then you have the wrong idea. Everything has to fit in order to have the message the Bible is telling you. I can write all day long to help you, and may even be right, but in the end it has to come from the Bible. You also need to say on topic, when explaining yourself. Otherwise it is longer and harder to follow your points. Read my reply to Anthony.
Jewish grammer has 2 forms of plurality, numerical and honor. When Jews say Elohim, they mean 1 god, not more. Arabic has the same since they are cousin languages. Mohammedim is just one Mohammed but with respect.
Citujem Tertuliána priamo z jeho diela "Proti Hermogenovi", kapitola III , ...... "Pretože Boh je podobným spôsobom Otcom a je tiež Sudcom; ale nebol vždy Otcom a Sudcom, len na základe toho, že vždy bol Bohom. Lebo nemohol byť Otcom pred Synom, ani Sudcom pred hriechom. Bol však čas, keď neexistoval ani hriech s Ním, ani so Synom; z ktorých prvý mal predstavovať Pána sudcu a druhý Otca. Takto nebol Pánom pred tými vecami, ktorých mal byť Pánom. Ale Pánom sa mal stať až niekedy v budúcnosti: tak ako sa stal Otcom skrze Syna a Sudcom skrze hriech, tak sa stal Pánom aj prostredníctvom tých vecí, ktoré stvoril, aby mohli slúžiť Jemu". (preložené z angličtiny) Teda tu je potvrdenie, že Kristus bol stvorený, a ...... že bol čas keď syn neexistoval, .... tak ako Boh Otec nebol stále Otcom, ale až vtedy keď stvoril svojho syna.
Pagan trinity To believe the trinity doctrine, when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent Himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to Himself, raised Himself from the dead, ascended to Himself in heaven, pleads before Himself in heaven to reconcile the world to Himself, and is the only mediator between man and Himself… We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to Himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from Himself, and a thousand other such absurdities.” - (J.N. Loughborough) Some of those other absurdities it teaches is that Jesus is the immortal God but died, is the invisible God but was seen, is the omnipotent God but was strengthened by an angel, is the omniscient God but did not know the day of his return, is as great as His Father but His Father is greater than He, is equal with the Father and yet He is the Father, is the Son but the same age as the Father, is the Son who has a Father and the God who has no Father, is the begotten Son and the unbegotten God, is very God and very man, came out from Himself, prayed to Himself, gave power to Himself, thanked Himself, bore witness of Himself, went back to Himself sits at the right hand of Himself, is His own Father and His own Son, left Heaven and yet was there all the time. There are many things which are hard to understand in the Bible but you can be sure that God never expects us to believe impossibilities. Over and over again you hear it said that the Gospel is so simple a child can understand it. And I agree. But how can that be the case with the teaching of the Trinity? Not only do children not understand it, but our best theologians cannot even explain it. However, the thought that God sent His Son to this earth to die for you and me is easy to comprehend when we believe the simple Bible statement that Jesus is truly the Son of God! Not one of three mysterious beings making up “one God.” How can you possibly believe that Jesus is NOT the begotten Son of the eternal Father and share John 3:16 with others in the hope of inviting them to take part in eternal salvation. Doesn't John 3:16 become a lie the moment you deny He is a Son? A metaphor did not send a metaphor to save us. A Father sent us His Son to save us. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” 2 John 1:3 “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.”
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 This is from jesus mouth John 14:1 Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me. That rules jesus out to be God doesn't it? False religion have taken worship away from the father Jehovah God and directed it all to the son and turned him into almighty God They committing idolatry
@@AstariahJW you misinterpreted this verse. He’s saying that if they believe in God, then they should also believe in Him, Jesus. In other words, if they believe in God, they also need to believe in Jesus because Jesus was and is God too.
@@AstariahJW it is a contradiction to say that God’s only begotten son could be anyone else but God also. The paradox in our naive human minds is that we cannot comprehend this because we are human beings and need other human beings to reproduce. God did not need a female God to reproduce and create His only son, which is why he used a human virgin here on Earth to deliver Him to us. It’s only confusing if you try to fully understand it. No human can fully understand God because we are human beings, so we must believe as Jesus Christ wants us to and have actual belief and faith regardless of whether or not it makes sense to us.
@@AstariahJW Read John 1:1 and 1:14. It’s crystal clear that Jesus Christ, The Word (capital W), was God, and that He was also in the beginning with God. Unless you are Muslim, Mormon, JW, or anything else, this should be clearly written in whatever Bible you’re reading, and it’s EXACTLY why they change the scriptures in those religions so as to confuse people and lead them down the wrong path. Believe in Jesus Christ, and then you by default believe in the one true God. Also read Deuteronomy 29:29.
Man this is confusing and makes no sense, I believe the clear answer is simply there is God, then Jesus his messenger and the holy spirit is the archangel Gabriel, I dunno who did complicate this easy concept.
not sure where you get the idea that the archangel Gabriel is the holy spirit. The holy spirit is the active force that God uses to get things done. it can be dispensed by god as he sees fit. This not a person human or angelic.
Where in the bible scriptures will you find the word "Trinity"? It is an invented doctrine of the catholics that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one and have equal power? If that is true then why would Christ says in John 14:28 "for my Father are greater than I" is he who is sent greater than he who sent him? John 13:16 So that trinity doctrine is a not true, in fact let God be true but every man a liar.Romans 3:4
If it is God's will to spread His message to all, why would He make the message difficult to understand? God does not go beyond what is truth. 1+1+1=3 "...For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will stick to his wife and the two will be one flesh." Does that mean a husband and a wife are really one? (Matthew 19:5) Or does that just mean a husband and wife are in unity or united in living their lives in marriage? JOHN Chapter 17, the whole chapter, is Jesus' prayer to his Father the night before he was executed. A very touching prayer because Jesus was not even praying for himself but for his followers. IN verses 22-23 Jesus prays to his Father for his followers: "Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me , in order that they may be one just as we are one. Does that mean all the followers are really just one? Or does that mean they are in unity or united in their faith.? When Jesus prepared his followers about the death he will suffer so they don't get traumatized when it happens, Peter made a mistake of telling Jesus that he will not suffer a violent death, and Jesus called Peter Satan for not thinking God's thoughts. (Matthew 16:22) Peter made a mistake. Peter made a mistake denying Jesus during his trial. Humans make mistakes. Thomas who was known for his mistake of doubting Jesus' resurrection, expressed his feelings calling Jesus "...my God" when Jesus appeared to him. That was just Thomas himself saying it. Jesus did not tell him he was God. Does that mean Jesus is God just because a man known for doubting Jesus, said it? (John 20:28) God himself told Moses that He will make Moses "a God to Pharoah." Does that mean Moses really became a God? (Exodus 7:1) The Bible, God's Words, is called God's Spirit. If it God's Spirit, it must be Holy. (Ephesians 6:17) It is not enough to believe in God and in Jesus only. We must believe in the Bible too, and everything in it, to make sure we know who we are worshiping and having faith on Whoever adds to the Bible or takes away from the the Bible is unforgiveable. (Revelation 22:18-19) The word and concept of the trinity is not nor explained in the Bible. There is only one religion mentioned in the Bible whom God Himself named. God called His people "You are my Witnesses and I am Jehovah." A religion after His own name. (Isaiah 43:12) There is no Scripture in the Bible God saying "you are my Catholics" or "You are my Protestants" or "You are my Christians." Not one. All names of other gods are man made. Every name of every religion in the world has been named by men. "Jehovah's Witnesses" is the only religion named by God, after His own name. (Isaiah 43:12) There is no other. God's name YHWH or Yaweh or Jehovah is created by God Himself, not man. "Jehovah's Witnesses" is the only religion in the whole world that God Himself called. Jehovah is the English version of God's original name YHWH. Jesus is the English version of his original name "Yeshua in Hebrew, Iesu in Greek or Latin Like John is Juan, Peter is Petro, James is Santiago Moses is Moshe.
the WatchTower organization demands than people obey 8 men in NY which can't be a true religion as we take no direction or authority from men, only put your faith and trust in Jesus who is GOD. The WatchTower told many people in the 60s that they would NEVER die in the current "system of things" because then end will come before that. Yet, that age has passed and that lies is exposed which hurt the growth and future of millions. No apology was ever given and more new lies were added. No one should trust the words of 8 men and put their trust in their interpretation which is wrong many times.
The Father is God = yes The father is human = No The Father is die = No Does Father pray = No Yesus is human = yes Yesus is die = yes Does Yesus pray = yes Yesus is God= ??? 🤔🤔🤔
Yesus is God = *YES* Revelation 1:8 He is Almighty God. Isaiah 9:6 He is Mighty God. John 1:1 He is the Word which is God Hebrews 1:8 He is referred to as God by the Father He is the "I AM" just as the Father is "I AM" in Exodus 3:14
@@revansbudhinurani3972 Jesus prayed to the Father. There are many instances that Jesus talks to the Father, I'm not sure why anyone would ask that question. There is a Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
You talk too fast, no wonder people cannot take time to comprehend evangelists; slow down and give your sermon time for edification, not education. People are leaving churches in droves because of sermons like this.
The Godhead is not one because three co-equal persons are all one person, known as God. The Godhead is two completely separate persons who are within ONE SPIRIT (Acts 2:32-33), and that one Spirit is the one God and Father (1Cor 8:6). This makes two who are one - Father and Son - in the holy union of the Spirit, just as God's image on earth is two who are one - male and female - in the holy union of the flesh. If you have three distinctly different persons who are all God, and neither of them is the other, and two of them are spirits, you won't have only one Spirit who is God, but two spirits who are gods, and that is polytheism, not monotheism. That's one too many spirits in the Godhead, which is limited to one Spirit. Two separate persons, not needing to be co-equal, within one Spirit (which is the Father), also explains why Jesus, the Risen Son, is God with the Father, because He was God in the one Spirit of His Father (John 1:1-2) while in His preexistent form, the invisible Word of God (Gen 1:2; Php 2:6), and the world was made by Him. The Son is eternal, because the Word is eternal, and when the Son was begotten in the flesh, “life in Himself” (John 5:26) was passed on to Him by His Father. Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV There is … one Spirit, … [5] One Lord, … [6] *_One God and Father_* … who is … *_in you all._* Revelation 19:13 KJV And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: *_and his name is called The Word of God._* No one knows, or has seen the Father, but the Son. If true, no third person has ever seen or known the Father. Luke 10:22 KJV … and no man knoweth … *_who the Father is, but the Son,_* and he to whom the Son will reveal him. John 6:46 NASB95 Not that anyone has seen the Father, *_except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father._* Why did Jesus say it was better for the Disciples that He went to be with the Father and they see Him no more, and yet they will see Him? Because though they would see Him no more in the flesh, “at that Day” (Pentecost) He would manifest “Himself” in the Spirit to live inside of them. Not only Him, but the Father also lives inside the Believer, because they are two who are one inseparable Spirit. John 14:19-20 KJV Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; *_but ye see me:_* because I live, ye shall live also. [20] *_At that day_* ye shall know that I am in my Father, *_and ye in me, and I in you._* (John 14:21) … *_he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, *_and will manifest MYSELF to him._* John 14:23 NASB95 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, *_and WE will come to him and make OUR abode with him._* Jesus, and Apostle John, tell us who the true God and eternal life is - the Father and the Son ONLY, otherwise they would have stated three. John 10:30 KJV *_I and my Father are one._* 1 John 5:20 KJV And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and *_we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life._* The holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Lord God, through Jesus Christ, Old (God and Word of God) and New (Father and Son) Testaments. Jesus gets ALL the Glory, Honor and Praise as the holy Spirit (the gift of God) living within the Children of God, not a third person. 2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. *_Know ye not your own selves, how that JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU,_* except ye be reprobates? Revelation 22:6,16 KJV … *_the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants_* … [16] *_I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you_* 1 Corinthians 6:17 KJV But *_he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit._* 2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV *_Now the Lord is that Spirit:_* …
THIS IS A MUST READ Scripture teaches God is: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Godhead. But the Trinity doctrine (how it's taught) is not biblical, for this doctrine teaches that these Three are self-existent, having no beginning, which is only partially true. The truth is that the Father is the One who is self-existent. Jesus Christ, God the Son, the Son of God, who manifested in the flesh, and dwelt among us, says this to His disciples about Himself: (John 16:27-28) "For the Father Himself loves you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father." Jesus was saying to them, which they believed, that He "came out from God." In other words, the Father emanated out of Himself, the Son. Thus, the Son had a beginning. When did this take place? It took place before anything was created, in the forever past. John the Baptist said concerning God's only begotten Son: (John 1:18) "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him." "The bosom of the Father" is the inward part of Himself, and John is telling us that the Son came out from God. The Son of God came out (emanated) from God, thus why He is called the Son of God, for He is of God the Father. This is also why Jesus Christ said, "I and my Father are one" (Jn. 10:30). Also, we need to keep in mind that Jesus said, "The Father is greater than I" (Jn. 14:28). So, when Jesus said that, He was not saying they were not equal, they are, for Jesus said, "My Father works hereto, and I work," (Jn. 5:17), which saying made Him equal with God the Father. (Jn. 5:18). The word "equal" here is not referring to greatness, but in Person and Character. The Person and Character of God is the word that He spoke to His Chosen people on top of Mt. Sinai, the Ten Commandments, which is the heart of God. Concerning the Holy Spirit, scripture says that He proceeds from the Father (Jn, 15:26). Given the Holy Spirit is a Spirit, Who He proceeds from the Father, then the Holy Spirit is the heart of the Father, Who is "equal" with the Father and the Son. This is why scripture says, (1 Jn. 5:7): "For there are Three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Now, because nothing is impossible with God, in His infinite wisdom, He brought forth the Son and the Holy Spirit, which are of God the Father, yet individual Persons that are equal with Him. There is another thing that we need to understand: the Father created (bārā'; to make something out of nothing); the Son made (ʿāśâ; to make something out of something else). In other words, God the Father created the cosmos (universe), which is something the Son witnessed (Proverbs 8: 22-31), in the very beginning. The Son also witnessed the heavenly hosts being created by the Father. Later, the Rebellion of Lucifer and the 1/3 of the angels. Afterwards, God the Son "made" (recreated/regenerated) the heavens and the earth. Also, that which was created in the recreation by the Son, which was not created in the initial creation by the Father, was Mankind (Adam and Eve), including the whales, which science proves. The bottom line is this: God is: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and these Three work in unison to bring us to be reconciled to the Father, Who is the greatest, Who is His Law, the Ten Commandments, which is His Person and Character (name). How we know Him is when we walk after and keep His Law, the Ten Commandments (1 Jn. 2:3-4).
The word trinity doesn’t exist in the bible, there is no verse in the bible saying god is three in one, in fact the old and New Testament says god is one, trinity doesn’t make sense, it’s not mentioned in the bible but is in the Quran which says don’t believe in a trinity.
You can say father and son, but whatever you do, don't say mother! Instead say the mysterious mystery of the spiritual third which our brains cannot understand. Not mother, ok?🙄
@@nicholasnicholas918 ummm. Father, ummm, Son, ummm and nebulous-no-form-other of indeterminate type and function. It's what's being avoided, obviously. Abrahamic religion is all about God as he, him, his, as if it has a penis with nothing to use it on.
who will you believe this video or mark in the scriptures about the word Elohim is it plural or singular Notice that the New Testament explains and clarifies the Old Testament very clearly. Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:29 line up together in the same way. Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 6:4 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God [from Theos] is one Lord: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [from Elohim] is one LORD: Therefore, the Hebrew word Elohim is equal to the Greek word Theos in the eyes of Mark. Whilst in Hebrew, the word Elohim can be both plural or singular (God or gods), in Greek the word Theos is completely singular, meaning God only, not gods (theoi). With the New Testament’s help, we can establish the fact that the word Elohim in Deuteronomy 6:4, and elsewhere in the Old Testament is used to mean God without any plurality to him. The comparative evidence of Mark 12:19 - In Mark 12:29, Christ quotes Deuteronomy 6:4 word for word. This quotation is given in Greek. In other words, Mark himself did the translation from Hebrew to Greek. Therefore, we can compare the meanings between the three languages, Hebrew, Greek and English. The word used for Hebrew “Elohim” is the Greek word “Theos”. Theos is singular hence showing the intended singular meaning of Elohim in Deuteronomy 6:4. What is said here is a very logical practice that all Bible interpreters do. If we have a statement written both in the Old and the New Testament, given that the New testament sometimes offer the clearer expression, we have an advantage to understand the Old Testament statement better.
Sadly, these guys are Calvinist cult members But as for the Trinity Jesus said if I testify of myself, my words are not true, but they are three that they witness Oneness call Jesus liar Because there are not 3 to witness Oneness say Jesus is the only one
Nicene Creed AD 325 We believe in one God, the Father, the almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
@@MegaTechno2000 so what your telling me is that billions of so called Christian's that can do all these pagan holidays and commit all the sin they want like getting drunk and sex before marriage will gain salvation and JWs who are few in number like 9mill will be destroyed that actually go by the bible standards ? The false teachers who are deceiving people are getting paid to do so JWs dont get paid . The spend there free time going door to door preaching about Jehovahs kingdom The website now in 1024 languages and all done voluntary the information about paganism in christianity can be found at a local library but people dont to do any research
@@MegaTechno2000 Yea it's in the bible . Read it for yourself. We are in the great harvest In last days Jehovah is gathering his people . They are fleeing Babylon the great the world empire of false religion Revelation 18:2 And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit* and every unclean and hated bird lurks!+ 3 For because of the wine of the passion* of her sexual immorality,* all the nations have fallen victim,+ and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her,+ and the merchants* of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury.”4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people,+ if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. Plus the preaching work to all nations is happening in these last days Time doesn't matter to Jehovah He is paitence. He doesn't want anyone destroyed
Hello, good day. I do not agree with your understanding of the the trinity. There is only on GOOD, the Father or Lord God Almighty. Read Revelation Chapter 4:1-11 and Revelation Chapter 1:1-14 and you will see that God is sitting on His throne while Jesus in standing some where around the throne.
🍀Jesus 🍀son of 💜 Mary 💜 messenger of 💙 God 💙 is not going to pay the price for humanity, except that a story to make sins even more so. Jesus our beloved never proclaimed himself ''god'' or son of ''god''...... he is sent by 💙 God 💙 to Ben-Israel to confirm what was accomplished by 🍀Moses 🍀..... suddenly, after the era of Jesus new concepts appeared.... starting with ⚽ son of god ⚽ so that the dose was acceptable, when the cattle-humans were able to swallow the concept of (2 ), they gave them another concept of (3) ... and finally a third concept Mary mother of ''god''
Aramaic the original language of bible and Jesus had no capital or lower case letters. Trinity doesn't make sense, we as his worshipers at least deserve to know who we are worshipping. Jesus himself prostrated and prayed to god, if he is god why does he lack knowledge of the hour and need to pray?
Sound good but not good u can't be trying to explain and yet say it can't be understood Roman 8:3-13. John 15 Eph 4. Concepts doesn't explain scripture scripture explain scripture the reason y we have a trinity is because of concepts the bible says the spirit is the way God dwell with and in us 1john Romans 8 : John 14-16. Salvation is in the knowledge of the father and the son John 17:1-4 the spirit is God himself 2corinth 3:17. 1corinth 8:6,7
So the way I would explain is: There's a family. Let's say they're called Smith. Smith's family has a dad a son and a grand son. They are all different persons but they are still the same smith.
Thanks for explaining. I know no more than before I watched this video. Trinity makes no sense at all. Jesus never claimed this and Christians are just going to extreme and change the teachings of Jesus. If he was god , he would’ve known when is the hour. He clearly said he doesn’t. All prophets in Old Testament clearly said one god. Never once claimed 3 in 1. Also its mind blowing that people actually believe humans killed god.
If God came down in the flesh today and proved it to our world governments, what do you think they would do? They would kill him, hide him, and call everyone who believed in Him “fake news.”
Trinity is just like a phone,old phones just for communication, new phones not just for communication,also can photo, video games , online watching video , so Trinity is function and different identity of GOD
There is no confusion nor mystery, as jesus say in john 17:3, the father is the only true god; there is one god, the father and no one else. So, worship to just the father, pray just to the father and seek help just from the father. Jesus did not say, the father, the son and the HS is the only true god. No.
@@sethsuleiman4419 then why when you praying , you asking Jesus help ??? Jesus didn't claim himself as GOD , but he said I and the Father are one , that mean he is sharing honour with Father as holy
@@lucifinil4049 Yes, in john 10:30, jesus say, I and my father are one. In john 17:21, jesus say, that they (the believers) all may be one; as you, father, are in me, and I in you, that they (the believers) also may be one in us (jesus and the father) that the world may believe that you (father) has sent me (jesus). BTW. When I pray, I ask for god's help, mercy and forgiveness; not asking for jesus's.
The farther is the divine conscience/wisdom of Jesus christ,Jesus Christ is the infinite spirit, tree of life, the living water of life, and the blood/body is God, in Jesus christ the fullness of the Diety lives in bodily form in Jesus christ the one and only true living God who became flesh and walked with man, the farther, the water and the blood are in agreement of the testimony of Jesus christ.
: I thought the Father was the God of Jesus.He prayed to the father. He worshipped the father. He called the father 'My God'. (Joihn 20 :17. Rev 3 :12)
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr John 5:16-30 Jesus christ said to the Pharisees, when I claimed to be the divine son of God, you Jewish leaders thought I was claiming to be a separate God who acts on his own. But I am here to correct you. I am the final judge of all the peoples and the one who raises the dead. I do not act on my own. I can not act on my own. I can do nothing on my own, because I am not a separate God. I'm one with the father, who lives in bodily form in me. Or am I a helpless human being, a simple prophet? Before the crucifixion Jesus christ spoke to the people as the sacrifical lamb in bodily form only because they would not believe that Jesus christ is the word that became flesh and dwelled with man.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 : Alternatively, it is as the text suggests. Jesus is subordinate to his Father; is one who is granted all authority as the messianic King; and unlike the Father who has life in himself, this has been given to the Son. Jesus is no simple human being and much more than a prophet. He is the 'Anoimted One' , the promised messiah/Christ, the Son of God. He is 'one ' with his heavenly father in purpose just as he is one with his disciples. God lives in Jesus just as he lives in us. Jesus himself makes it clear that he has a God. He prays to and worships his God throughout the NT. The resurrected Jesus has a God.(John 20 :17). The glorified Jesus in heaven itself still has a God. (Rev 3 :12). But why listen to Jesus when you have all those clever Church fathers who knew better, right ?
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Best explanation I’ve ever heard of it. They are 3 and separate but somehow also are 1.
I've always been been led to believe that the trinity represents God in spirit through Jesus and the holy Spirit. I don't understand why people believe that it is one individual. It would be like us talking to ourselves and there would be nobody else there we would just be listening to ourselves. And when Jesus says that he goes to sit at the right hand of his father, well again if we said that to ourselves we would be sitting alone. And let's not forget about the gift of the holy Spirit, I know it has been a true blessing in my life. Thank you Father for your Son and Holy Spirit amen.
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From what you've written it's hard to tell if you believe in the Trinity or not. You seem very confused. If the Trinity were true, then the resurrected Jesus would not be at the right hand of his Father but fused to him as a part of his person along with the person of the Holy Spirit. You'd also have to explain Matt 24:36 Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." Why would the Son not know? Why does the so called third person of the Trinity, The Holy Spirit also not Know? The night before his death Jesus show that he and his Father had different wills. Luke 22:41-4
41 And he withdrew from them about a stone’s throw away, and he bent his knees and began to pray, 42 saying: “Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.”a 43 Then an angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him.b 44 But he was in such agony that he kept praying more earnestly;c and his sweat became as drops of blood falling to the ground. A third line of evidence concerns Jesus’ relationship with his followers. Even after he was raised from the dead to the spirit realm, Jesus called his followers “my brothers.” Matthew 28:10
10 Then Jesus said to them: “Have no fear! Go, report to my brothers so that they may go to Galʹi·lee, and there they will see me.” Were they brothers of Almighty God? Of course not! But through their faith in Christ-God’s preeminent Son-they too became sons of the one Father. Galatians 3:26 You are all, in fact, sons of God that through your faith in Christ Jesus.
What the Nicene Creed says:
“We believe . . . in one Lord Jesus Christ . . . that is of the substance of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God.”
What the Bible says:
“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”-John 14:28. *
“I [Jesus] ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.”-John 20:17.
“To us there is but one God, the Father.”-1 Corinthians 8:6.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”-1 Peter 1:3.
“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”-Revelation 3:14. *
While the three Persons are distinct, They are of one essence. Is this understandable as the Trinity? @@ronknight1532
Thank You All Powerful Lord Jesus Christ for Paying for All my Sins!!! Thank You Jesus for Shedding Every Last Drop of Your Perfect Redeeming Innocent Blood For The Forgiveness Full Remission of All my Sins!!! Thank You Jesus for Dying in my place to Pay for All my Sins as The Perfect Sacrifice because You have No Sin!!! Thank You Jesus for Being Buried!!! Thank You Jesus for Coming Back ALIVE 3 Days After Your Death because You Are The Son of God and God At The Same Time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE You JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
You were doing so well with your gratitude, but then I fear you would offend Jesus by saying his IS God. This trinity doctrine is Heretical. It was not accepted at all for at least 150 years after Christ's death, and not widely for another 200 years at a the poorly attended council of Nicaea, which was gathered by a pagan Emperor. Like, Easter,Christmas, Halloween and other so called Christian practices, The Trinity is more evidence that just calling something Christian does not make it so. Examine your church, does it approve of such pagan practices? Would it encourage you to fight in war for your country, even if that meant killing your Christian brothers, or anyone else ? We need to prove our gratitude for what God did for us by sending his son and his son's willingness to obey his father by worshipping God in spirit and TRUTH.
God is one.He is one person.His name is LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Yes the body of Christ is that person and in him was the word and the holy Spirit.. No three person.
You haven't read your Bible. YHWH is the name of God and it says so around 7000 times. Jesus is never referred to as 'LORD'(capital letters) and is never called Almighty God.
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You don't know how to read the Bible God is three persons and one Spirit common sense don't confuse yourself Satan's children@@Abruzzi12
The way I see it is God present himself in 3 different ways, he plays different roles in our life to allow for a relationship, guidance, and still letting you know he his the judge at the end. He is infinite and not limited to just being Jesus on earth. If he can create vessels for eternal souls why argue he couldn’t create a vessel for himself to relate to the human experience? However I haven’t thoroughly read the Bible and was hoping to get some actual verses from the Bible about the trinity 🤷🏼♂️
Eternal souls ? Where did this idea come from? In the Bible, the soul is mortal .(Ezek 18 :4).
Why not actually read what Jesus said and did. He prayed to his God. He worshipped his God. He had a God. The resurrected Jesus had a God. (Jphn 20 :17 ). The glorified Jesus in heaven itself still had a God. (rev 3 :12). Hundreds of times Jesus is differentiated from God in the NT. The Jesus of the NT DIED. An immortal God cannot die.
The claim of the gospels is : Jesus is the messiah (Christ), the Son of God. (Mat 16 :16).
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Thats motilism patriiiicccckkk
That sounds like modalism. Modalism is unbiblical.
"My God and your God" (John 20:17).
- Jesus Christ
@Ameer Adel and that God died on cross !!??
@@ud5tira Jesus is 100% God and 100% human...the human aspect died.
@@retroman-- double standart hahaha.
When He died he only human, when perform miracles He is God.
When He pray, God pray to God. Hahahaha.
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Who is “the first and the last”?
The Bible applies this term both to Jehovah God and to his Son, Jesus, but with different meanings. Consider two examples.
At Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah says: “I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.” Here Jehovah highlights that he is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39) In this case, then, the expression “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega
Additionally, the term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” occurs at Revelation 1:17, 18 and 2:8. In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life. Thus, these verses cannot refer to God because he has never died. (Habakkuk 1:12) However, Jesus died and was resurrected. (Acts 3:13-15) He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven, where he now lives “forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:18; Colossians 1:18) Jesus is the one who performs all resurrections thereafter. (John 6:40, 44) Therefore, he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Jehovah. (Acts 10:40) In this sense, Jesus can properly be called “the First and the Last.”
Does Revelation 22:13 prove that Jesus is “the Alpha and the Omega”?
No. The speaker at Revelation 22:13 is not specifically identified, and there are various speakers in this chapter. Commenting on this section of Revelation, Professor William Barclay wrote: “Things are set down without any apparent order; . . . and it is often very difficult to be sure who is the actual speaker.” (The Revelation of John, Volume 2, Revised Edition, page 223) Thus, “the Alpha and the Omega” at Revelation 22:13 can be identified as the same Person given this title elsewhere in Revelation-Jehovah God.
@@ud5tira actually God can take his life in the body of human and bring his life back in the body of human.
Thank you for your clear explanation. GOD bless you more and your family!❤️📖🙏💪🔥☝️
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According to the bible: There is only one true God, and according to Jesus - this one true God is the God of Jesus!
Not being able to comprehend God makes me believe it more because if I were making a religion I’d mske it easy to understand because most people would prefer that better
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God is only one form 🙏💯🙌
Jesus clearly teaches against the doctrine of Trinity when he calls Father the only true God, his God and our God.
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thats why he also says "before abraham was I am" which is him clearly stating to the Jews at that time that he was God
@@EthInGrace Try to replace "I am" with "God" if it makes sense to you... Before Abraham was, God... or ... before Abraham was I am (the planned/promised Messiah)?
@@pozorovatellidi Lol read the OT verse hes quoting from and do the same, dont need to replace anything, with the saying the jews understood this yet you with the whole internet cannot grasp it, this is hardening your heart to the truth.
@@EthInGrace OT verse makes sense (Exodus 3:14 ...This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am (God) has sent me to you.’”) though the Exodus "I am" statement is different in original language than "I am" in NT of Jesus, just translation is the same. Jews understood Jesus claimed he was Son of God, not the God. Jews would never thought such a thing that Jesus claimed to be the God as the God is not a human. Yes, read it all. John 8: 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me... 54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me."... so your claim what Jews thought is refuted.
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Soooo wrong.
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How do you worship God if you don't know who God is, which person do we worship?
Who did Jesus worship? Who did Jesus call 'My God.'?
Father, Son and Holy Spirit....distinct and yet one
Show your workings?
@@Jesus777_7_9 Jesus is the one true God there is no such thing of three persons equal a one God: Father, Son , and Holy Spirit are characteristics of God Jesus, that’s why when Jesus told his disciples to go baptize the people in the NAME of the Father Son Holy Spirit: so the disciples went and Baptized everyone in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST : so if your pastor is baptizing in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit , he is wrong, those are not names there all characteristics that the name Jesus has: Jesus is the Father, Jesus is the Son and Jesus is the Holy Spirit so the name of God is JESUS: Praise God Almighty !!
What scriptural evidence do you have to support this claim.?
Can you provide a single scripture that says God exists as one essence but three persons?
@@barberq210 : If Jesus is the one true God, who is the God he prayed to? Who is the God that resurrected the dead Jesus? Who is the God that the resurrected Jesus was ascending to ? (John 20 :17). Who is the My God that the glorified Jesus in heaven itself tals about? (Rev 3 :12)
Anyone who reads the NT can see that hundreds of times Jesus is differentiated from God and that the Jesus of the NT has a God.
@@JosephSmith-ph4xrread Genesis the first chapter if you know how to read let us make man that's in Genesis you don't know how to read you just don't believe God's words where's your faith?
Dont forget where you are baptized in.
NIV Bible. Matthew 28:19
[19]Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Does that make them all one? Why not just say God?
In the name of means by the authority of . EG Open in ther name of the Law.
Check in the book of Acts to see in what name they baptized others. This may be a corruption of translation
Matthew 28:19 mentions the Father, Son and holy spirit in the same verse, but it does not say that they exist in one divine essence as the Trinity doctrine says. It does not say that they are three persons in one God, all co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial. The doctrine of the Trinity as taught in churches is not stated anywhere in the Bible. That's why it was necessary for the church in the fourth century to formulate the Trinity doctrine in multiple councils under Roman Emperor Constantine the Great. Jesus taught that the Father was greater than he was and he called his Father "my God" even after his resurrection. (Revelation 3:12) Also, Philippians 2:9 says that God exalted Jesus to a higher position than he had before. The fact that God exalted Jesus to a higher position shows that Jesus is not equal to God and that God and Jesus are not co-equal as the Trinity states. The Bible also says that Jesus was created, whereas God (whose name is Jehovah or Yahweh) was not created and does not have a beginning. Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus the “Firstborn of all creation” and Revelation 3:14 says that Jesus is the “beginning of the creation by God.” These scriptures show that God and Jesus are not co-eternal.
Also Trinity means The Strong One in Hebrew
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Praise God!
With all respect to you my brother in Christ but none of this is biblical and I would love to have a live bible study or a personal bible study with you
Great teaching
Roman pagan teaches since 325 AD.
@@ex-trinitarian5196 Satan lie!
@@tdickensheets no you are the Satanist. Trinitarianism is an obvious lie meant to nullify John 3:16 and the sacred feminine. Those that espouse lies are Satanists. You aren't even a Christian by your own belief. Trinity = voiding John 3:16. A God cannot sacrifice itself to itself and give up nothing.
@@ex-trinitarian5196 it's in the Bible, and we can read the scripture without anyone teaching us from 325 AD their own version just as the many pagan teaching from false organizations that have weird doctrines of today that are not in the Bible. One tells us that only 144,000 go to heaven and another tells us that Heaven is divided into 3 tiers and men can become a god. Depending on which version you like best, thats the one that gets your tithes.
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Jesus Christ Himself said: "Father... this is ETERNAL LIFE that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" John 17:1-3
Did you read the rest of the book or is cherry picking a verse out of context the best you can do?
@@follow_the_way I did, there are more verses like this.
@@jb_1971 Have you at least read John 17 in context?
@@follow_the_way I did. Jesus still called His Father the only true God - in context.
@@jb_1971 What or who was Jesus comparing the Father to in John 17?
This is a great explanation! Really helped some of the students at the Christian school, in which I teach. Would you consider goin much, much slower in videos this complex? Please consider better pacing so that viewers can process what you teach!
So holy sprit or Ghost is father as I explained.
Are you serious ? This is all nonsense. The idea of a Trinity evolved in post-apostolic times when Greek educated theologians and Apologists borrowed platonic language to impress pagans.
Jesus himself tells us that he had a God. The resurrected Jesus still had a God .(John 20 :17). The glorified Jesus in heaven had a God. (Rev 3 :12).
Hundreds of times in the NT, Jesus is differentiated from God. The claim of the Evangeklists ws not that Jesus was God but that he as the Christ, the Son of God i.e, One other than God.
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr Did Jesus christ say that the father and I are one, If you see me you see the father, the father lives in Me, Question is your body subject to your soul and spirit, and can do nothing without life.? And is your spirit and soul and body, one in personality and one in name?
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 : Jesus did indeed say that the Father and I are One. But what did he mean? I put it to you that it is in the same sense as we find in John 17 :11; 21; 23.
Likewise, as Jesus is the messiah, the Son of God. the image of God, , we understand that having perfectly reflected his heavenly father, he could easily say "if you have seen me you have seen the Father", given that no man can see God.( Mat16 :16; Col 1 :15; Heb 1 :3; John 1 :18)
Given that only the Father has life in himself and that Jesus has been given/granted Life in himself and all authority, Jesus cannot be the father or the supreme God. (John 5 :26)
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr Question, do you believe that the word (Jesus christ)become flesh and dwelled with man, And in the beginning was the word and the word was God, And do you believe that in Rev 22 that the lamb sits on His glorious throne, And that the angel of the lord revealed the name of the word/the lamb to the world as Jesus christ the one and only savior of man. Jesus christ is the Everlasting father, Mighty God who lives in bodily form in the glorified lamb who sits on the throne of God and gives direction to all things 🙏
Matthew 1:18-25
Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: .
great point
God cannot die
Jesus died.
Therefore , ............
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God in his eternal state cannot die, when he puts on flesh (a mortal body) that body can die but not his spirit.@@JosephSmith-ph4xr
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr A Man cannot raise himself from the dead therefore...
Jesus Christ is our one and true God !!
Praise the triune God of the bible.
If Jesus is the one true God, then who is the God of God ? (John 20 :17; Rev 3 :12)
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I already know the truth: Jesus alone is God: if anyone disagrees they might want to really read the word, but not just read it, make sure God is speaking to you for revelation and truth. The trinity has been taught for so long that comes from the catholic church that it’s so hard for people to run away from that false doctrine. I also once was a trinitarian until God gave me truth and understanding and I really had to humble myself to admit I was wrong
@@barberq210 Amen! Jesus alone is GOD!
LORD IS SURPOSED TO BE FOR JEHOVAH lord is for Jesus The holy spirt is JEHOVAH force
You have a sinned against a holy God. If you have lied, stolen, and used His name as a cuss word, you have sinned. Since He is holy, he punishes sinners in the lake of fire.
But God is rich in mercy to all who call upon Him. Jesus lived a perfect life and suffered and died on the cross for your sins, taking the punishment on Himself. He rose again on the third day after He died.
“He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
Please repent and believe in this gospel alone for salvation. Come to Jesus in faith and repentance, and God will give you the righteousness of Christ.
God need blood to forgive sin!???.. what kind of god is that??
Jesus suffered the evils of sinful men. He did not take any punishment from God. He laid down His life od His own volition in that God's mercy might be justified, and extended to those that should believe and obey His commandments......... Its all about man working together with God to establish a covenant relationship of love that cannot be obtained by any other means...........be blessed Willie
@@randomongolo true God dont need blood to forgive man. God all power and all mighty. How come God sacrifice Himself for Hitler's sin??. respond that!
@@ud5tira simple he is love ,and he loved us
@@robertnagle6847 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 and God love the roman who kill Him. Nice!!!
The triangle resemble the triangle in the dollar bill, the diferent is in the dollar there is one eye with novus ordo seclorum.
Yeah their diagram of the Trinity is rather questionable. Gives off baphomet vibes . Have mercy Yah 🙏🏼
At 3:01 you state, "There is subordination within the Trinity"....Please explain? Not according to classic Trinitarian doctrine going all the way back to Gregory of Nyssa, "There is no priority, no posteriority, and certainly no inferiority." Thks
Jesus is subordinate to the Father often when on earth even saying "not my will, but the Father's". Jesus waited for the Father to give Him all authority and not just taking it away from the Father. The Holy Spirit only came when Jesus requested it as the Holy Spirit didnt make that choice on His own.
Understood… but that is an economic function not an Eternal Ontological relationship. That needs to be explained. Thks
well spotted. This is a fudge. The clear subordination of Jesus in Scripture is a fatal blow to the Trinity doctrine.
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The BEST example I have heard as an analogy is the United States Government: ONE GOVERNMENT made of 3 BRANCHES. All 3 branches, co-equal, make up ONE GOVERNMENT.
All the three branches of the U. S. government that you are saying are not equal in power. They’re being ran politically by those who are in the administration.
@@paeng46 The Constitution calls the 3 branches "Seperate, but equal".
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So is God in three persons but one being as they said. He is a three separate entities but one being.
@@paeng46 3 Persons make up 1 God. They each serve a different function, Biblically. There is a great article on the Got Questions site that offers a fantastic assessment of the Trinity.
@likesfavorites3388 Right. Just one Government. That's why the analogy works best. The United States only has one National Government
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit….”-Matthew 28:19
Notice that the word “name” is singular (not plural i.e., “names”). Also, the definite article “the” is placed in front of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, thus implying plurality within unity. The Trinity is not Modalism-the view that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one person; nor is it Tritheism-the view that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate Gods. Although the Trinity cannot be totally comprehended, it can be apprehended and seen illustrated in the world of nature. Take, for example, an illustration involving three candles. Even after lighting each candle, they are still separate and distinct. However, when one combines each of the three flames together, they become one flame. In the same way, each member of the Trinity is separate and distinct, yet they are one God. As Walter Martin founder of the Christian Research Institute put it:
“God is not triplex (1+1+1)-He is triune (1X1X1), and he has revealed Himself fully in the Person of our Lord, Jesus Christ (Col. 2:9, John 14:9).” -Christian Research Institute tract, Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Trinity
I like to imagine human beings as Sims characters with super advanced AI trying to somehow understand the one and only computer programmer who created the game, computer, and everything that makes it work. Literally impossible for the characters in the game to just jump through the screen and understand exactly how they were made and why they were made. We should just appreciate that we have a good God that doesn’t want to watch people suffer for his own enjoyment, yet in our flawed human egos and inability to accept why we cannot accept, we constantly glorify the one who does.
Trinity is a lie
stupid doctrine!!!
Can you answer this question: What is the NAME of The Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit?
@@AstariahJW Go to hell!
lies...if it not in scriptures it ain't true...the trinity was created by man...the church....not CHRIST....
No, the trinity is not supported in scripture. John 14:28 and Mark 13:32 show that the doctrine of co-equality is false.
Voodoo is a terrible form of sorcery that I do not support in any way.
Incorrect Dan.
If each one is God, how the word 'subordinate' comes between Trinity
Lol ya it's a complete lie . Trinity is the biggest deception
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The scriptures clearly said God can not lie. So, why he pretend to be his son if he was actually Jehovah God himself.
If there are three people in God , you have to admit; there's no Father, no Son and no Holy spirit, all of them have the same length of time, no one is older than the other, because they were born in One time. One thing is whether I am stupid or all of you are. Thanks
So why is God no respector of persons, is a question. Why is this strange for me to comprehend ? Why did Jesus say that he was not good, only God is good ? Why am i having a question here....and then who is the father in this. Two words, meaning what exactly ?
What does the Bible teach about the trinity? Nothing. It teaches 1 God, and his Son.
Incorrect again Albert.
Jesus died and only after he was raised from the dead did he become a god
*Jesus claimed that there is only ONE TRUE GOD, who is only one person*
they only referenced scripture but didn't read them. Would've been nice
Jesus is not God's Son in the sense of human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God's Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, "The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God."
During His trial before the Jewish leaders, the High Priest demanded of Jesus, " I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God" (Matthew 26:63). "Yes, it is as you say; Jesus replied. `But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven" (Matthew 26:64). The Jewish leaders responded by accusing Jesus of blasphemy (Matthew 26:65-66). Later before Pontius Pilate, " The Jewish insisted, We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He claimed to be the Son of God" (John 19:7). Why would His claiming to be the Son of God considered and be worth of a death sentence? The Jewish leaders understood exactly what Jesus meant by the phrase "Son of God." To be the Son of God is "of God." The claim to be of the same nature as God--to in fact be God--was blasphemy to the Jewish leaders; therefore, they demanded Jesus' death, in keeping with Leviticus 24:15. Hebrew 1:3 expresses this very clearly, "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being."
Another example can be found in John 17:12 where Judas is described as the "son of perdition." John 6:71 tells us that Judas was the son of Simon. What does John 17:12 mean by describing Judas as the "son of perdition"? The word perdition means "destruction, ruin, waste." Judas was not the literal son of "ruin, destruction, and waste," but those things where the identity of Judas' life. Judas was a manifestation of perdition. In this same way, Jesus is the Son of God. The Son of God is God. Jesus is God made manifest (John 1:1 14).
this is a great explanation of the term "son of God" and a strong case for Jesus also being God, but I just can't help but remember what Jesus said himself "The Father is greater than I," for the son is not greater than the father- seems like Jesus really clarified how we should think of his relationship to the father here :c
You begin by saying that the first thing to recognise is that we wont understand the trinity; sadly, this is probably the only accurate statement you make. The scriptures that you use do not portray a trinity as 3 in one and the diagram is irrelevant. They may portray 2 persons working together using the power that is the holy spirit. When Annanias was condemned for Lying to the Holy spirit, and to God , does that mean that they are one and the same? No. Annanias was a spirit annointed follower who lied to the spirit, or as some translations read "played false to" in that he deliberately worked against the spirit, and lied to God in that he acted as if God did not see his lies. This in no way requires God and the holy spirit to be one. The term Elohim used in Genesis is a plural term that is used to portray majesty, and the Jews never understood God to be a trinity. It is also not wrong for God to say us as Jesus in his pre-human form was WITH him, BESIDE him as a master worker(Prov 8v30). This is why he is described as the "FIRSTBORN of creation", and "only begotten". Clearly Jesus had a beginning, was 'Born' as it were, is a creation. The Bible is NOT trinitarian as you claim. The entire Bible clearly describes An almighty creator, creating a firstborn SON, who then work together to create the rest of creation. This is why God says let US make man.
You have to have a very devious mind to twist scripture to embrace a belief which had its origins in the pagandom of Egypt and Babylon.
If God wanted us to view and understand him as a trinitarian deity, why use the Father and Son analogy ? Surely if you wanted to use the Family as a starting point you might use identical or even conjoined twins, or triplets if you want to include the Holy Spirit. Don’t get me started on that .
No wonder Jesus warned of those rising up after the passing of the apostles to speak twisted things, to draw disciples after themselves. This trinity doctrine is abhorrent and Satanic, like the immortality of the Soul, hellfire and other beliefs that reduce God’s glory and paint him as a tyrant. The trinity also undermines the working of the ransom. The whole principle of Christ’s ransom hangs on the equivalence of Jesus death as a perfect man and what Adam lost. Christ proved the Devil a liar, and that it was possible for Adam to have done what Jesus did. If Jesus was an uncreated God who always had life in himself , then there is no equivalence with Adam and the Ransom does not work. It also means that Jesus did not really die as a third or even half of him was still alive in heaven and able to regenerate himself. Adam could not do that.
These things are so important that I do not say lightly that the trinity doctrine is a teaching of Demons. You rightly say that the trinity has been a cause for controversy, but only hundreds of years after the death of Christ. This is because there never was a need for the trinity doctrine. The Bible made sense without it ,but the devil has used this confusing, and by your own declaration, incomprehensible teaching to "blind the minds "of people.
They certainly don’t seem to teach logic in theological schools, or divinity studies.
really!!!!! my question we are created in god's image and trying to understand or explain this is unbelievable.
@@Jesus777_7_9 i suggest you look at genesis 1:27, and who was god talking too when he said this hmmmm, when the apostles ask when will the end come jesus clearly stated only the father in heaven knows
@@Jesus777_7_9 if you don't see it. There is no point lol
Are you three persons?
@@jb_1971 I don't believe trinity so why this question
@@glencoward I assumed that you do. What do you believe then?
What does the bible 'teach' about the trinity? Easy, absolutely zero, nothing, no doctrine at.all.
Another incorrect statement by Bill.
common mind can not understand many christian do not know
The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God-three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who are God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:
1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus’ baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity-the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.
6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus’ human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.
The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus’ works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
@@Jesus777_7_9 reread my comment and try again please 🙂
WHERE IS GOD'S FATHER ?
WHO MADE GOD ?
I MADE HIM!!! just kiding he's creation itself and no one can create creation
Infinity + infinity + infinity = infinity
It's not the problem of the trinity concept of doctrine
there's no such thing
God is this at =
Ephesians chapter 4 verses 4 and 5 and 6 here we go
Verse 4 =
One body
One Spirit
One Hope
Verse 5 =
One Lord
One Faith
One Baptism
Verse 6 =
One God the Father
Over all
Through all
In all
This is the Divine being
Only One Form
Only One Person
Only One Spirit
God Manifest in Only One Form
The Godhead is in scripture not the Trinity God is not 3 persons but only One person 3 in 1 person
Where is the scripture that says the Holy Spirit is God?
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What else would it be?
I have a question. Besides in name, how can there be anything to distinguish the "persons" one from another, considering each "person" is eternal perfect unchanging all knowing...like in what way would we distinguish one from another? None of them would leave any space for another to display any perfection the other "person" isnt already displaying....or alternatively if there is a space for one to display perfection that means another lacks perfection...which would mean not God?
That's a great question! The names, Father, Son, and Spirit, are in fact identifiers; not titles. Their relations ARE how we distinguish them. So the Father is defined by His eternal giving of Himself to the Son; the Father begets. The Son is defined by receiving His being from the Father from eternity; the Son is begotten. The Spirit is defined by being the Who/What the Father shares from Himself to the Son; the Spirit proceeds from the Father to the Son. In these relationships, there is a first movement (Giving/ receiving/ being given and received), but first is not a chronological term. It's a defining principle in the Person in question. I HIGHLY recommend reading Delighting in the Trinity by Michael Reeves.
To your second question about displaying perfection, consider this: God is love. Love is relational in its nature--it's not an abstract concept. If God was love from eternity, then love would be possible with no "other." But God is perfect, so God should love Himself. Why then would God create an "other" with whom to share his love (Adam, Creation)? However, God has been love from eternity. God has shared all of himself (perfect giving of love) and received all of himself (perfect receiving of love) within the Divine Persons. Therefore, God is both self-sufficient and love, and Creation is a natural overflow of love from a God who has loved from eternity before any being was created.
@@pedroaenamorado2 i dont understand a word of this. For one, u describe the "son" as receiving...but God needs to receive nothing, infact God can receive nothing for there's nothing to add or give to perfection. So that makes no sense.
Also, "god is love" i don't know what that means but regardless i disagree (sounds like some hippie nonsense ngl, no offense). God is that which nothing greater can be conceived. What even is love? Lol.. I suppose we have to define the word love before we throw it around in a philosophical discussion, especially in relationship with God!
As far as God being loving, id say God lacks nothing. We humans do lack, we need to give to others and have relationships and reach outside ourselves to feel more complete. We are creations and we are not complete unless we are giving. God needs nothing, God is perfect, God doesn't need to give but God chooses to. If you say God needs to give i find that to be less than perfect, if God needs anything outside of Himself, than how is He perfect? Furthermore ur basically admitting that the 3 are all "other" to each other, which sounds like polytheism, not monotheism. Help me understand, thnx
im only a simple theist, thats the place im approaching this from. i have read (and loved) Ed Fesers book "5 proofs of the existence of God" and i found it logically convincing. however i saw in it evidence for a God that a perfect simplicity and unity. and this is from a catholic scholar, mind you.
i guess i was wondering if the trinity aspect of faith can also be presented logically without contradicting the logic of fesers 5 proofs, or if it is simply a "leap of faith", something one believes because they trust the authority of the doctrines that speak of it (which isnt at all an unreasonable thing, i rely much on authoritive ideas in regular life, as i have done since i was a child and needed guidance from parents and other adults. i just want clarity on the concept) Thank you@ronaldorivera4674
i appeal only to logic. nothing else. i feel you are saying, without saying, that you will not give me reason but your reason is the bible, or some scripture. so you've answered my question it seems without commiting yourself to it, which is unsatisfactory and dissapointing. i prefer to speak straight
to reiterate if u want to answer me, just explain my question. explain with logic. God is that which nothing greater can be conceived, God is not confined to space or time or any constraints. If there was more than one God or if God had more than 1 part, or more than 1 personality, what would distinguish one from the other? one would not know more than the other, they would not exist in different spaces. it would be like two perfectly overlapping identities. it just makes no logically sense. perfection has to be one. the wills cannot be different for each will is absolute without challenge or opposition. now i tell my kids that me and their mother are both completely in charge, but thats a lie i tell my kids, obviously me and their mother cannot be completely in charge because in fact if we argue one of us gets their way over the other. so in fact their mother is in charge it turns out. i just dont admit it to them ;)
anyway i will follow logic and the faith that follows logic appeals to me. i am convinced that there is a God BECAUSE of logic. but you dont seem happy that i am a theist and a believer in God because i dont believe in the same concept as God as you do? that i find odd. go read "5 proofs" for yourself. or better yet, come up with your own proof to convince me all over that God exists, and that also exists as 3 divine personalities or whatever the trinity is that u believe.
i cant accept any scripture as divine if it flies in the face of logic. 2+2=4 (i know thats considered racist nowadays lol. see how religions always fight against logic? like the faith of CRT)
@ronaldorivera4674
So it's like voldemort
Nothing like voldemort.
The trinity is 1 God existing I'm 3 persons? So there is 4?
Incorrect again Albert.
I think you're correct Albert.
@@Shilly-Mcshillface Incorrect Bill.
But Jesus said the Father and I are one (John 10:30)
One God in three person.
It simply means One in purpose. (Unity within the God head)...In John 17 Jesus also said the believers would become ONE with Father, just as HE is one with the Father. Does this mean that all the believers are now God? No, may God forbid such foolishness. Well according to the flawed oneness theology it must then be true, because we are ONE with the Father just as Jesus is ONE with the Father........The Godhead (Authoritative structure) is made up of 3 individual personalities, having individual souls.......Willie
I am sorry Michelle but this is one of the weakest arguments for the trinity. Compare what Jesus said in prayer to his Father at John17:20-22. here Jesus requests that all his followers should " be ONE, just as you the Father are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us" and that "they may be ONE just as we are one". Was Jesus asking that his followers become part of the trinity? or that they all would become literally the same person? Of course not. He was describing the unity of mind and purpose that would be desirable among his followers. Something that sadly became extremely difficult when apostates introduced this divisive doctrine hundreds of years after his death.
The evidence is poor.
who told you to call God a trinity was it God or man? Luke 20:4
How can Jesus be god when he himself speaks of god as his father. It’s clear to me at least that God, the son, and the Holy Spirit are three separate entities. Amen
You are a soul/conscience and spirit/life and have a body as one person. When you think about something no one knows what you thinking, unless you speak out a loud so someone can hear you. We would not know what Jesus christ was thinking or when the father speaks to Jesus christ to Jesus christ, If it was not spoken out a loud, because it was for the disciples benefit, and not for Jesus Himself.
I grew up understanding the three same people as this:
1. GOD the FATHER in HEAVEN
2. GOD the SON, when he choose to come to EARTH in the form on MAN.
3. GOD the HOLY SPIRIT. When GOD the SON went back to heaven and LEFT HIS SPIRIT (the Holy Spirit) upon the earth to guide us and protect us.
So it is three forms of GOD. Not three different Gods.
I guess what messes people up is the "Pray to the Father through the SON..." As in you will have Eternal Life through the Acceptance of GOD the SON, and what the form did on earth.
Could the separate FORMS of GOD be because the JEWS did not believe in GOD the SON and GOD the HOLY SPIRIT? I think that MAN may have intervened in the written bible or that GOD was showing US HUMANS that there was a difference to certain peoples of GOD. That being said, the New Testament reconciles GOD the SON to be the GOD of both JEWS and GENTILES.
The HUMANS of this EARTH have made changes to everything they did not understand in every Cultural Period/EMPIRE Rule since the beginning of time and that it was the Proceeding Culture that Interpreted the Previous Culture, in their own way or to their own purposes.( ie Read about How the Catholic Church used the Pagan peoples (Visi-goths and Vaga-Goths and Germanic Tribes own holidays and pagan believes and aligned them with Christian Beliefs in order to subjugate them or bring them in to the fold)
what? There is 3 person in one God. The Father ,Son and Holy Ghost there all existed at the same time and forever they have existed
The term "God the father, God the son and god the holy spirit does not exist in the Bible." I agree that the Catholic Church manipulated scripture for its own ends as you say, but there never was a need to change the truth of god's word. Jesus said in his closing words to his disciples that all authority had been given him in heaven and on earth, but he later he is said to hand that back to his father after he has accomplished his Father's will (1 Corinthians 15:34). This clearly shows that God and Jesus are separate, otherwise this could not happen .
Is Jesus in the Godhead?
The fullness of the Godhead is in Jesus! Jesus has all principality and power. Colossians 2:8-9.
@ADoug thanks, that was precisely my point with the rhetorical question: in Him dwells ALL of the Godhead bodily! Amen
@@Buddhism555_35 “Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
John 14:8-9 KJV
The Hebrew name for god was yhwh what Bible are you reading
The scripture is very very clear
Whosoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God (2jn1:9)
Jesus said No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son
Again;
Jesus said O righteous Father the World have not known you but I know you and this have known that you sent me ( Jn17: 25)
Very Very Clear Verse
JESUS SAID THE WORLD HAS NOT KNOWN GOD ALMIGHTY
QUESTION
Where did Jesus teach YHWH...?
Can you provide even only one verse..?
(26)
And I have DECLARED to them your NAME and will declared it that the love with which you Love me may be in them and I in them
JESUS DECLARED TO HIS DISCIPLES THE NAME OF THE FATHER
John said this is the message which we have heard from him and Declared to you that GOD IS LIGHT and in him there is no darkness (1jn1:5)
GOD IS LIGHT
JESUS IS LIGHT
John said we know that the Son of God is come and given us an understanding that we may know him, that is True, and we are in him, that is True even his Son JESUS CHRIST this is the TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE (1JN5:20)
JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL
( NOT YHWH)
GAL 1:8 is very very clear verse
Paul said but even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you let him be Accursed
1cort 8:6)
One God the Father
One Lord Jesus Christ
God was manifest in the flesh (1tim 3:16) or God Come in the flesh
His name is JESUS
He was in the world and the World was made by him and the World knew him not (Jn1: 10)
THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM
( NOT THEM , NOT YHWH)
JESUS MADE THE WORLD ALONE
John said for many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh, this is Deceiver An Antichrist (2JN1:7)
JESUS said the first of all the commandment is HEAR O ISRAEL the Lord our God is One Lord (Mark 12: 29)
Question
Who is One Lord..?
Answer
Paul said Jesus Christ is One Lord (1cort8:6)
Paul said Jesus is the great God and savour (Titus 2: 13)
For I am the Lord thy God the Holy ONE of Israel thy Savior isa 43:3
Thus saith the LORD thy redeemer and he that formed thee from the womb, I AM the Lord that makes ALL THINGS, that stretcheth forth the heaven ALONE, that spread abroad the earth by MYSELF ( isa44:24)
I am Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end, Saith the LORD which is, which was and which is to come the ALMIGHTY Rev 1:8
John said Only ONE SAT on the throne Rev 4:2
Paul said Jesus throne is forever and ever heb1: 8
Question
Where is the Throne of Yhwh..?
Jesus and All Apostoles never taught Yhwh
God is Light
Jesus is light
God is I Am
Jesus is I Am
Jesus is a Son of God himself. The Father is the only God.
Jesus is THE Son of God. Just like infinity divided by any number is still infinity, Jesus being God's ONLY begotten Son from the bosom of the Father makes him God, because he is of the divine nature; the Godhead.
To Whom will every knee bow and every tongue confess as Lord?
But where does is say that the Holy Spirit is God? No where
Acts 5:3-4
New International Version
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
What about the 10 commandments?
What about it?
Don't change the subject!
Jesus is the triune God of the bible.
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14:3 The trinity is hard to understand because it isn't real. The first thing that is needed to do to accept the trinity is to redefine the words used in the original languages for god.
Elohim, your Old Testament word can be either plural or singular, depending on context, but never meaning more than one person inside god in Hebrew literature. It's just not there.
Theos is the Greek word for god, and it is never found meaning more than one person inside god, except when a god eat other gods, which doesn't count or describing the trinity.
Outside of the trinity these two words are never used to describe a god with more than one person inside that god, which means to accept the trinity is to redefine these words to something they were never used as in their respective literature. or even the Bible itself.
The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God-three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who are God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:
1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus’ baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity-the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.
6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus’ human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.
The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus’ works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.
The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God-but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God’s greatness and His infinitely higher nature. “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” (Romans 11:33-34).
@@robertabrao7785 Isaiah 9:6, ESV: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Gen 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
verse 26 Then God said, 'Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'
There is strong evidence that we find in the Word of God for the doctrine of the Trinity in just minutes. Even the Old Testament itself prophesies of the full Deity of the coming Messiah. He is the Mighty God who was to be born as a son (Isaiah 9:6). Jehovah is called "Mighty God" in the next chapter (Isaiah 10:21). Jesus is "God with us" (Isaiah 7:14). God Himself even promised to come suddenly to His temple as the messenger of the covenant (Malachi 3:1) and His way is prepared by John the Baptist (Isaiah 40:3). These two verses are applied to Jesus at Mark 1:1-3. Even Zechariah 12:10 where Jehovah is "pierced" is quoted and applied to Jesus in John 19:37 and Revelation 1:7. Do you believe this and Luke 7:16?
"Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, "A great prophet has arisen among us!" and, "God has visited His people!""
There is much scripture you can look at(Genesis 1:1-2, 26, Isaiah 9:6, 48:16, Zech. 12:10, 6:40, Mark 2:28, 12:37, John 8:57-59, Matthew 12:6, John 14:14, John 16:15, Matthew 28:18-19, John 14:26, 15:26, Psalm 104:30, 1 Corinthians 2:10-11, Psalm 139:7-8, Hebrews 9:14) and I'm sure you have and still haven't changed your mind. I also wont change mine based off of how I understand scripture.. not twisting it. If you have a different understanding on it, so be it. Either way we are still brothers and sisters and we will have to answer to God in the end for our mistakes!
@@BigFishAndPewPews First of all you have a contradiction in your opening statement and point 4. You can't say that there are 3 persons inside God, and then turn around to say that each one of them are God as an individual. The three persons as Gods, actually two persons as Gods is Biblical. Jesus called the Father His God in John 20:17, when Jesus said "...I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." Then Thomas did the same thing with Jesus and identified Jesus as God and nobody else as God in John 20:28, "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." This makes both the Father and Jesus Gods individually, and not as a group. A group of persons never make a God in the Bible or in Greek or Hebrew literature.
As for one God, that is explained in Ephesians 4:6. where it says, "One God and Father of all, who is above all,..." The top God is the Father of ALL, which includes being the God of Jesus Christ. This is the God in the Old Testament that claims there is no Gods beside Him, because He is the God of ALL.
An example of Elohim in a singular form, Genesis 32:30 and 1 Kings 11:33 as only two of them, which there are a lot more. Us only means two or more, and is not proof there were three. Verse like Genesis 1:26 don't prove there are more Gods, but that God is talking to somebody else like Him. As it turns out we can figure out through other passages that Jesus also took part in creation. Jesus would be the us referred to in verse 26, and there is no proof there is anbody else. It also doesn't show the relationship in the passage, so it isn't proof of a trinity.
Holy in the term Holy Spirit is an adjective that describes, which Spirit we are talking about. The Greek often puts an article before Spirit and after Holy. When the Greek does this it is like English in that an article like the is never in front of a name. This means that Holy Spirit isn't a name, but a thing. It also means that Holy is not needed to identify which Spirit we are talking about. The Spirit of God is described in 1 Corinthians 2:10-11. The Holy Spirit is the spirit that is within the Father just like we have a spirit within us.
Keep in mind what the word God means in the Greek and Hebrew, and it all fits. Is the Father Jesus' God, John 20:17. Is Jesus our God, John 20:28. Is Jesus the Father's God? There is no Scripture for that, because the word God means Supreme Being. Jesus is not the Father's Supreme Being, because the Father is God of all, Ephesians 4:6, and the Father is the only one Who can say there are no other Gods like Me.
There are two Gods, but we all follow only ONE GOD, even Jesus follows the father.
@@robertabrao7785 You have put a lot of thought into this, but you need to take the Bible for what it says, and not from somebodies theology. Go at the question of the trinity fresh and prove it one way or another. If something doesn't fit, then you have the wrong idea, Everything has to fit in order to have the message the Bible is telling you.
I can write all day long to help you, and may even be right, but in the end it has to come from the Bible.
You also need to say on topic, when explaining yourself. Otherwise it is longer and harder to follow your points.
Read my reply to Anthony.
@@robertabrao7785 You have put a lot of thought into this, but you need to take the Bible for what it says, and not from somebody's theology. Go at the question of the trinity fresh and prove it one way or another. If something doesn't fit, then you have the wrong idea. Everything has to fit in order to have the message the Bible is telling you.
I can write all day long to help you, and may even be right, but in the end it has to come from the Bible.
You also need to say on topic, when explaining yourself. Otherwise it is longer and harder to follow your points.
Read my reply to Anthony.
1st.John ,chapter 5 ,lays out the reality of the 3.And trinity is not one word in the Scripture.
Jewish grammer has 2 forms of plurality, numerical and honor. When Jews say Elohim, they mean 1 god, not more. Arabic has the same since they are cousin languages. Mohammedim is just one Mohammed but with respect.
Go check out Acts 17 apologetics
Citujem Tertuliána priamo z jeho diela "Proti Hermogenovi", kapitola III , ...... "Pretože Boh je podobným spôsobom Otcom a je tiež Sudcom; ale nebol vždy Otcom a Sudcom, len na základe toho, že vždy bol Bohom. Lebo nemohol byť Otcom pred Synom, ani Sudcom pred hriechom. Bol však čas, keď neexistoval ani hriech s Ním, ani so Synom; z ktorých prvý mal predstavovať Pána sudcu a druhý Otca. Takto nebol Pánom pred tými vecami, ktorých mal byť Pánom. Ale Pánom sa mal stať až niekedy v budúcnosti: tak ako sa stal Otcom skrze Syna a Sudcom skrze hriech, tak sa stal Pánom aj prostredníctvom tých vecí, ktoré stvoril, aby mohli slúžiť Jemu". (preložené z angličtiny)
Teda tu je potvrdenie, že Kristus bol stvorený, a ...... že bol čas keď syn neexistoval, .... tak ako Boh Otec nebol stále Otcom, ale až vtedy keď stvoril svojho syna.
A definition of persons is human. You can't use that terminology
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Pagan trinity
To believe the trinity doctrine, when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent Himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to Himself, raised Himself from the dead, ascended to Himself in heaven, pleads before Himself in heaven to reconcile the world to Himself, and is the only mediator between man and Himself… We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to Himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from Himself, and a thousand other such absurdities.” - (J.N. Loughborough)
Some of those other absurdities it teaches is that Jesus is the immortal God but died,
is the invisible God but was seen,
is the omnipotent God but was strengthened by an angel,
is the omniscient God but did not know the day of his return,
is as great as His Father but His Father is greater than He,
is equal with the Father and yet He is the Father,
is the Son but the same age as the Father,
is the Son who has a Father and the God who has no Father,
is the begotten Son and the unbegotten God,
is very God and very man, came out from Himself,
prayed to Himself, gave power to Himself,
thanked Himself, bore witness of Himself,
went back to Himself
sits at the right hand of Himself,
is His own Father and His own Son,
left Heaven and yet was there all the time.
There are many things which are hard to understand in the Bible but you can be sure that God never expects us to believe impossibilities.
Over and over again you hear it said that the Gospel is so simple a child can understand it. And I agree. But how can that be the case with the teaching of the Trinity? Not only do children not understand it, but our best theologians cannot even explain it. However, the thought that God sent His Son to this earth to die for you and me is easy to comprehend when we believe the simple Bible statement that Jesus is truly the Son of God! Not one of three mysterious beings making up “one God.”
How can you possibly believe that Jesus is NOT the begotten Son of the eternal Father and share John 3:16 with others in the hope of inviting them to take part in eternal salvation. Doesn't John 3:16 become a lie the moment you deny He is a Son?
A metaphor did not send a metaphor to save us. A Father sent us His Son to save us.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
2 John 1:3 “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.”
Jesus is God.
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This is from jesus mouth
John 14:1 Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me.
That rules jesus out to be God doesn't it?
False religion have taken worship away from the father Jehovah God and directed it all to the son and turned him into almighty God
They committing idolatry
@@AstariahJW you misinterpreted this verse. He’s saying that if they believe in God, then they should also believe in Him, Jesus. In other words, if they believe in God, they also need to believe in Jesus because Jesus was and is God too.
@@AstariahJW it is a contradiction to say that God’s only begotten son could be anyone else but God also. The paradox in our naive human minds is that we cannot comprehend this because we are human beings and need other human beings to reproduce. God did not need a female God to reproduce and create His only son, which is why he used a human virgin here on Earth to deliver Him to us. It’s only confusing if you try to fully understand it. No human can fully understand God because we are human beings, so we must believe as Jesus Christ wants us to and have actual belief and faith regardless of whether or not it makes sense to us.
@@AstariahJW Read John 1:1 and 1:14. It’s crystal clear that Jesus Christ, The Word (capital W), was God, and that He was also in the beginning with God. Unless you are Muslim, Mormon, JW, or anything else, this should be clearly written in whatever Bible you’re reading, and it’s EXACTLY why they change the scriptures in those religions so as to confuse people and lead them down the wrong path. Believe in Jesus Christ, and then you by default believe in the one true God.
Also read Deuteronomy 29:29.
Man this is confusing and makes no sense, I believe the clear answer is simply there is God, then Jesus his messenger and the holy spirit is the archangel Gabriel, I dunno who did complicate this easy concept.
Wtf? Gabriel and the Holy spirit are different, Jesus is God along with the Father and Holy Ghost
not sure where you get the idea that the archangel Gabriel is the holy spirit. The holy spirit is the active force that God uses to get things done. it can be dispensed by god as he sees fit. This not a person human or angelic.
Where in the bible scriptures will you find the word "Trinity"? It is an invented doctrine of the catholics that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one and have equal power? If that is true then why would Christ says in John 14:28 "for my Father are greater than I" is he who is sent greater than he who sent him? John 13:16
So that trinity doctrine is a not true, in fact let God be true but every man a liar.Romans 3:4
Why stop at three? No Christian (or gpt) can answer this. There is only one God. Neither begotten nor begetting.
The holy spirit is Christ in you the hope of glory Colossians 1: 27.
what s***
If it is God's will to spread His message to all, why would He make the message difficult to understand?
God does not go beyond what is truth. 1+1+1=3
"...For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will stick to his wife and the two will be one flesh." Does that mean a husband and a wife are really one? (Matthew 19:5)
Or does that just mean a husband and wife are in unity or united in living their lives in marriage?
JOHN Chapter 17, the whole chapter, is Jesus' prayer to his Father the night before he was executed. A very touching prayer because Jesus was not even praying for himself but for his followers.
IN verses 22-23 Jesus prays to his Father for his followers: "Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me , in order that they may be one just as we are one. Does that mean all the followers are really just one? Or does that mean they are in unity or united in their faith.?
When Jesus prepared his followers about the death he will suffer so they don't get traumatized when it happens, Peter made a mistake of telling Jesus that he will not suffer a violent death, and Jesus called Peter Satan for not thinking God's thoughts. (Matthew 16:22) Peter made a mistake. Peter made a mistake denying Jesus during his trial. Humans make mistakes.
Thomas who was known for his mistake of doubting Jesus' resurrection, expressed his feelings calling Jesus "...my God" when Jesus appeared to him. That was just Thomas himself saying it. Jesus did not tell him he was God. Does that mean Jesus is God just because a man known for doubting Jesus, said it? (John 20:28)
God himself told Moses that He will make Moses "a God to Pharoah." Does that mean Moses really became a God? (Exodus 7:1)
The Bible, God's Words, is called God's Spirit. If it God's Spirit, it must be Holy. (Ephesians 6:17)
It is not enough to believe in God and in Jesus only. We must believe in the Bible too, and everything in it, to make sure we know who we are worshiping and having faith on
Whoever adds to the Bible or takes away from the the Bible is unforgiveable. (Revelation 22:18-19)
The word and concept of the trinity is not nor explained in the Bible.
There is only one religion mentioned in the Bible whom God Himself named. God called His people "You are my Witnesses and I am Jehovah." A religion after His own name. (Isaiah 43:12)
There is no Scripture in the Bible God saying "you are my Catholics" or "You are my Protestants" or "You are my Christians." Not one.
All names of other gods are man made.
Every name of every religion in the world has been named by men.
"Jehovah's Witnesses" is the only religion named by God, after His own name. (Isaiah 43:12)
There is no other.
God's name YHWH or Yaweh or Jehovah is created by God Himself, not man.
"Jehovah's Witnesses" is the only religion in the whole world that God Himself called.
Jehovah is the English version of God's original name YHWH.
Jesus is the English version of his original name "Yeshua in Hebrew, Iesu in Greek or Latin
Like John is Juan, Peter is Petro, James is Santiago
Moses is Moshe.
the WatchTower organization demands than people obey 8 men in NY which can't be a true religion as we take no direction or authority from men, only put your faith and trust in Jesus who is GOD.
The WatchTower told many people in the 60s that they would NEVER die in the current "system of things" because then end will come before that. Yet, that age has passed and that lies is exposed which hurt the growth and future of millions. No apology was ever given and more new lies were added. No one should trust the words of 8 men and put their trust in their interpretation which is wrong many times.
The Bible teaches that the trinity is false doctrine.
Where?
The Father is God = yes
The father is human = No
The Father is die = No
Does Father pray = No
Yesus is human = yes
Yesus is die = yes
Does Yesus pray = yes
Yesus is God= ???
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Even your questions describe your bankruptcy of the things of God.
1 Timothy 3:16
Yesus is God = *YES*
Revelation 1:8 He is Almighty God. Isaiah 9:6 He is Mighty God. John 1:1 He is the Word which is God
Hebrews 1:8 He is referred to as God by the Father
He is the "I AM" just as the Father is "I AM" in Exodus 3:14
@@sethvernon6828 Jesus prayed or not? If Jesus prayed then who did he pray to?
@@revansbudhinurani3972 Jesus prayed to the Father. There are many instances that Jesus talks to the Father, I'm not sure why anyone would ask that question. There is a Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
I never read anywhere in the Bible that Jesus is god.......
@@jjw00dw That doesn’t say Jesus IS god….
@@jjw00dw The trinity is man made. If the bible explicitly said it I wouldn't have any problems accepting it. I appreciate your time.
You talk too fast, no wonder people cannot take time to comprehend evangelists; slow down and give your sermon time for edification, not education. People are leaving churches in droves because of sermons like this.
Brilliant AND True!
ha ha
The Godhead is not one because three co-equal persons are all one person, known as God. The Godhead is two completely separate persons who are within ONE SPIRIT (Acts 2:32-33), and that one Spirit is the one God and Father (1Cor 8:6). This makes two who are one - Father and Son - in the holy union of the Spirit, just as God's image on earth is two who are one - male and female - in the holy union of the flesh.
If you have three distinctly different persons who are all God, and neither of them is the other, and two of them are spirits, you won't have only one Spirit who is God, but two spirits who are gods, and that is polytheism, not monotheism. That's one too many spirits in the Godhead, which is limited to one Spirit.
Two separate persons, not needing to be co-equal, within one Spirit (which is the Father), also explains why Jesus, the Risen Son, is God with the Father, because He was God in the one Spirit of His Father (John 1:1-2) while in His preexistent form, the invisible Word of God (Gen 1:2; Php 2:6), and the world was made by Him. The Son is eternal, because the Word is eternal, and when the Son was begotten in the flesh, “life in Himself” (John 5:26) was passed on to Him by His Father.
Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
There is … one Spirit, …
[5] One Lord, …
[6] *_One God and Father_* … who is … *_in you all._*
Revelation 19:13 KJV
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: *_and his name is called The Word of God._*
No one knows, or has seen the Father, but the Son. If true, no third person has ever seen or known the Father.
Luke 10:22 KJV
… and no man knoweth … *_who the Father is, but the Son,_* and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
John 6:46 NASB95
Not that anyone has seen the Father, *_except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father._*
Why did Jesus say it was better for the Disciples that He went to be with the Father and they see Him no more, and yet they will see Him? Because though they would see Him no more in the flesh, “at that Day” (Pentecost) He would manifest “Himself” in the Spirit to live inside of them. Not only Him, but the Father also lives inside the Believer, because they are two who are one inseparable Spirit.
John 14:19-20 KJV
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; *_but ye see me:_* because I live, ye shall live also.
[20] *_At that day_* ye shall know that I am in my Father, *_and ye in me, and I in you._*
(John 14:21) … *_he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, *_and will manifest MYSELF to him._*
John 14:23 NASB95
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, *_and WE will come to him and make OUR abode with him._*
Jesus, and Apostle John, tell us who the true God and eternal life is - the Father and the Son ONLY, otherwise they would have stated three.
John 10:30 KJV
*_I and my Father are one._*
1 John 5:20 KJV
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and *_we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life._*
The holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Lord God, through Jesus Christ, Old (God and Word of God) and New (Father and Son) Testaments. Jesus gets ALL the Glory, Honor and Praise as the holy Spirit (the gift of God) living within the Children of God, not a third person.
2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. *_Know ye not your own selves, how that JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU,_* except ye be reprobates?
Revelation 22:6,16 KJV
… *_the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants_* …
[16] *_I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you_*
1 Corinthians 6:17 KJV
But *_he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit._*
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
*_Now the Lord is that Spirit:_* …
THIS IS A MUST READ
Scripture teaches God is: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Godhead. But the Trinity doctrine (how it's taught) is not biblical, for this doctrine teaches that these Three are self-existent, having no beginning, which is only partially true. The truth is that the Father is the One who is self-existent. Jesus Christ, God the Son, the Son of God, who manifested in the flesh, and dwelt among us, says this to His disciples about Himself: (John 16:27-28)
"For the Father Himself loves you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."
Jesus was saying to them, which they believed, that He "came out from God." In other words, the Father emanated out of Himself, the Son. Thus, the Son had a beginning. When did this take place? It took place before anything was created, in the forever past.
John the Baptist said concerning God's only begotten Son: (John 1:18)
"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him."
"The bosom of the Father" is the inward part of Himself, and John is telling us that the Son came out from God. The Son of God came out (emanated) from God, thus why He is called the Son of God, for He is of God the Father. This is also why Jesus Christ said, "I and my Father are one" (Jn. 10:30). Also, we need to keep in mind that Jesus said, "The Father is greater than I" (Jn. 14:28). So, when Jesus said that, He was not saying they were not equal, they are, for Jesus said, "My Father works hereto, and I work," (Jn. 5:17), which saying made Him equal with God the Father. (Jn. 5:18). The word "equal" here is not referring to greatness, but in Person and Character. The Person and Character of God is the word that He spoke to His Chosen people on top of Mt. Sinai, the Ten Commandments, which is the heart of God.
Concerning the Holy Spirit, scripture says that He proceeds from the Father (Jn, 15:26). Given the Holy Spirit is a Spirit, Who He proceeds from the Father, then the Holy Spirit is the heart of the Father, Who is "equal" with the Father and the Son. This is why scripture says, (1 Jn. 5:7):
"For there are Three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Now, because nothing is impossible with God, in His infinite wisdom, He brought forth the Son and the Holy Spirit, which are of God the Father, yet individual Persons that are equal with Him. There is another thing that we need to understand: the Father created (bārā'; to make something out of nothing); the Son made (ʿāśâ; to make something out of something else).
In other words, God the Father created the cosmos (universe), which is something the Son witnessed (Proverbs 8: 22-31), in the very beginning. The Son also witnessed the heavenly hosts being created by the Father. Later, the Rebellion of Lucifer and the 1/3 of the angels.
Afterwards, God the Son "made" (recreated/regenerated) the heavens and the earth. Also, that which was created in the recreation by the Son, which was not created in the initial creation by the Father, was Mankind (Adam and Eve), including the whales, which science proves.
The bottom line is this: God is: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and these Three work in unison to bring us to be reconciled to the Father, Who is the greatest, Who is His Law, the Ten Commandments, which is His Person and Character (name). How we know Him is when we walk after and keep His Law, the Ten Commandments (1 Jn. 2:3-4).
The word trinity doesn’t exist in the bible, there is no verse in the bible saying god is three in one, in fact the old and New Testament says god is one, trinity doesn’t make sense, it’s not mentioned in the bible but is in the Quran which says don’t believe in a trinity.
May I ask you to please slow down your speaking. Please. Thank you.
Praise the triune God. Jesus is God.
You can say father and son, but whatever you do, don't say mother! Instead say the mysterious mystery of the spiritual third which our brains cannot understand. Not mother, ok?🙄
Where is it hinted that the Holy Spirit is “mother”?
@@nicholasnicholas918 ummm. Father, ummm, Son, ummm and nebulous-no-form-other of indeterminate type and function. It's what's being avoided, obviously. Abrahamic religion is all about God as he, him, his, as if it has a penis with nothing to use it on.
@@nicholasnicholas918
Holy spirit is not a girl
@@tychocollapse Bruv all of the tintrys are boys, not a single one is a girl
@@johnbuckner2757
Facts
who will you believe this video or mark in the scriptures about the word Elohim is it plural or singular
Notice that the New Testament explains and clarifies the Old Testament very clearly. Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:29 line up together in the same way. Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 6:4 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God [from Theos] is one Lord: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [from Elohim] is one LORD: Therefore, the Hebrew word Elohim is equal to the Greek word Theos in the eyes of Mark. Whilst in Hebrew, the word Elohim can be both plural or singular (God or gods), in Greek the word Theos is completely singular, meaning God only, not gods (theoi). With the New Testament’s help, we can establish the fact that the word Elohim in Deuteronomy 6:4, and elsewhere in the Old Testament is used to mean God without any plurality to him.
The comparative evidence of Mark 12:19 - In Mark 12:29, Christ quotes Deuteronomy 6:4 word for word. This quotation is given in Greek. In other words, Mark himself did the translation from Hebrew to Greek. Therefore, we can compare the meanings between the three languages, Hebrew, Greek and English. The word used for Hebrew “Elohim” is the Greek word “Theos”. Theos is singular hence showing the intended singular meaning of Elohim in Deuteronomy 6:4. What is said here is a very logical practice that all Bible interpreters do. If we have a statement written both in the Old and the New Testament, given that the New testament sometimes offer the clearer expression, we have an advantage to understand the Old Testament statement better.
Sadly, these guys are Calvinist cult members
But as for the Trinity Jesus said if I testify of myself, my words are not true, but they are three that they witness
Oneness call Jesus liar
Because there are not 3 to witness
Oneness say Jesus is the only one
Nicene Creed AD 325
We believe in one God, the Father, the almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
That was the start of the pagan trinity
Satan started to influence the church with apostate teachings
He used Constantine to do that
@@AstariahJW You must be getting your information from the Jehovah's Witnesses they are deceived by Satan.
@@MegaTechno2000 so what your telling me is that billions of so called Christian's that can do all these pagan holidays and commit all the sin they want like getting drunk and sex before marriage will gain salvation and JWs who are few in number like 9mill will be destroyed that actually go by the bible standards ?
The false teachers who are deceiving people are getting paid to do so
JWs dont get paid . The spend there free time going door to door preaching about Jehovahs kingdom
The website now in 1024 languages and all done voluntary
the information about paganism in christianity can be found at a local library but people dont to do any research
@@AstariahJW So, God had to wait 1900 years for the JWs to come along before anybody got saved?
@@MegaTechno2000
Yea it's in the bible . Read it for yourself. We are in the great harvest
In last days Jehovah is gathering his people . They are fleeing Babylon the great the world empire of false religion
Revelation 18:2 And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit* and every unclean and hated bird lurks!+ 3 For because of the wine of the passion* of her sexual immorality,* all the nations have fallen victim,+ and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her,+ and the merchants* of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury.”4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people,+ if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.
Plus the preaching work to all nations is happening in these last days
Time doesn't matter to Jehovah
He is paitence. He doesn't want anyone destroyed
Hello, good day. I do not agree with your understanding of the the trinity. There is only on GOOD, the Father or Lord God Almighty. Read Revelation Chapter 4:1-11 and Revelation Chapter 1:1-14 and you will see that God is sitting on His throne while Jesus in standing some where around the throne.
🍀Jesus 🍀son of 💜 Mary 💜 messenger of 💙 God 💙 is not going to pay the price for humanity, except that a story to make sins even more so.
Jesus our beloved never proclaimed himself ''god'' or son of ''god''...... he is sent by 💙 God 💙 to Ben-Israel to confirm what was accomplished by 🍀Moses 🍀..... suddenly, after the era of Jesus new concepts appeared.... starting with ⚽ son of god ⚽ so that the dose was acceptable, when the cattle-humans were able to swallow the concept of (2 ), they gave them another concept of (3) ... and finally a third concept Mary mother of ''god''
There is only one god and that’s the father. Jesus christ is the mediator. Between god and man.
Aramaic the original language of bible and Jesus had no capital or lower case letters. Trinity doesn't make sense, we as his worshipers at least deserve to know who we are worshipping. Jesus himself prostrated and prayed to god, if he is god why does he lack knowledge of the hour and need to pray?
Of course it makes sense. You need to read and study the bible though and not get your education by you tube.
Genesis 18. There's the Trinity.
Sound good but not good u can't be trying to explain and yet say it can't be understood Roman 8:3-13. John 15 Eph 4. Concepts doesn't explain scripture scripture explain scripture the reason y we have a trinity is because of concepts the bible says the spirit is the way God dwell with and in us 1john Romans 8 : John 14-16. Salvation is in the knowledge of the father and the son John 17:1-4 the spirit is God himself 2corinth 3:17. 1corinth 8:6,7
It’s not in the Bible for a reason
Bible is not in the Bible, what's the reason?
Omniscient is not in the Bible, what's the reason?
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha it just seems like it’s made up
@@jvilla2294 nope, it's taught from Genesis to Revelation.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha on the newest Bible or the old one?
@@jvilla2294 there's only 1 Bible buddy. What do you mean newest or oldest. You mean which translation of the Bible do i use.
So the way I would explain is: There's a family. Let's say they're called Smith. Smith's family has a dad a son and a grand son. They are all different persons but they are still the same smith.
So different people then. Not coequal, not coeternal, and not equally omniscient
Nothing...
Thanks for explaining. I know no more than before I watched this video. Trinity makes no sense at all. Jesus never claimed this and Christians are just going to extreme and change the teachings of Jesus. If he was god , he would’ve known when is the hour. He clearly said he doesn’t. All prophets in Old Testament clearly said one god. Never once claimed 3 in 1. Also its mind blowing that people actually believe humans killed god.
If God came down in the flesh today and proved it to our world governments, what do you think they would do? They would kill him, hide him, and call everyone who believed in Him “fake news.”
humans killed God and he came back to life again
PRAY AND ASK GOD TO OPEN YOUR MIND. GOD BLESS U.
@@Dylanthe1st humans never killed God he himself gave his life.
@@lovejoy2438 jesus knew he was going to die form the start for that reaosn he let humans kill him then he gave up his life.
Trinity is just like a phone,old phones just for communication, new phones not just for communication,also can photo, video games , online watching video , so Trinity is function and different identity of GOD
There is no confusion nor mystery, as jesus say in john 17:3, the father is the only true god; there is one god, the father and no one else. So, worship to just the father, pray just to the father and seek help just from the father.
Jesus did not say, the father, the son and the HS is the only true god. No.
@@sethsuleiman4419 then why when you praying , you asking Jesus help ??? Jesus didn't claim himself as GOD , but he said I and the Father are one , that mean he is sharing honour with Father as holy
@@lucifinil4049 Yes, in john 10:30, jesus say, I and my father are one. In john 17:21, jesus say, that they (the believers) all may be one; as you, father, are in me, and I in you, that they (the believers) also may be one in us (jesus and the father) that the world may believe that you (father) has sent me (jesus).
BTW. When I pray, I ask for god's help, mercy and forgiveness; not asking for jesus's.
@@sethsuleiman4419 John 14:6 I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
You don't accept Jesus as your savior ,you won't see the Father
The farther is the divine conscience/wisdom of Jesus christ,Jesus Christ is the infinite spirit, tree of life, the living water of life, and the blood/body is God, in Jesus christ the fullness of the Diety lives in bodily form in Jesus christ the one and only true living God who became flesh and walked with man, the farther, the water and the blood are in agreement of the testimony of Jesus christ.
: I thought the Father was the God of Jesus.He prayed to the father. He worshipped the father. He called the father 'My God'. (Joihn 20 :17. Rev 3 :12)
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr John 5:16-30 Jesus christ said to the Pharisees, when I claimed to be the divine son of God, you Jewish leaders thought I was claiming to be a separate God who acts on his own. But I am here to correct you. I am the final judge of all the peoples and the one who raises the dead. I do not act on my own. I can not act on my own. I can do nothing on my own, because I am not a separate God. I'm one with the father, who lives in bodily form in me. Or am I a helpless human being, a simple prophet? Before the crucifixion Jesus christ spoke to the people as the sacrifical lamb in bodily form only because they would not believe that Jesus christ is the word that became flesh and dwelled with man.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 : Alternatively, it is as the text suggests. Jesus is subordinate to his Father; is one who is granted all authority as the messianic King; and unlike the Father who has life in himself, this has been given to the Son.
Jesus is no simple human being and much more than a prophet. He is the 'Anoimted One' , the promised messiah/Christ, the Son of God. He is 'one ' with his heavenly father in purpose just as he is one with his disciples. God lives in Jesus just as he lives in us.
Jesus himself makes it clear that he has a God. He prays to and worships his God throughout the NT. The resurrected Jesus has a God.(John 20 :17). The glorified Jesus in heaven itself still has a God. (Rev 3 :12).
But why listen to Jesus when you have all those clever Church fathers who knew better, right ?