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Dark Souls was a hidden treasure until players recognised how much different its concept was to other RPG games. The player is set on a lonely journey to overcome the curse of hollowness. Everything in the world is a mystery and needs to be unveiled by talking to NPC's or reading item descriptions. I have read somewhere that Dark Souls is like a fast strategy game in its simple yet challenging combat system, which comes close to your comparsion with the bosses doing moves like chess pieces, and you are able to respond with the tools that you can find in the world (Lordran, Drangleic or Lothric). The best about Dark Souls is that it does NOT give the player the freedom to avoid combat by riding on a horse or to level up the character or weapon by collecting free items in the world to overcome the challenges in the boss fights. A very good example for this is DS3's tutorial boss Iudex Gundyr. If you are unable to beat this boss you are not ready yet to play the game. This 'forces' the player to get familiar with the combat system and overcome a challenge with the only tools you have in the starting area: 3 Estus, your starting weapon, your abilities to dodge and attack. In Elden Ring the very first boss is the Grafted Scion and I was actually scared at first that this could be a mandatory obstacle to overcome (like Iudex Gundyr) in order to be able to enter the game. In retrospective I must say now: I wish it was. The fact that this fight and basically all of the 165 bosses except around 10 or so are completely optional to beat the game makes the world of Elden Ring and the whole plot kind of meaningless. There is a lot to find and explore in the Land's Between. Only, very little feedback is given to the player as to why one should become Elden Lord? I.e., there are very few interactions in the game that drive the story and makes one feel to be on a journey. It is paradoxical, in the lonely and desperate world of Lordran or Drangleic I feel more at home and see more meaning than in the high fantasy world of Elden Ring.
I feel the same way, the journey through Lordran was meaningful. Every step of the journey meant overcoming obstacles and challenges to reach your goal. It was your personal experience to grow along the way and anytime you got stuck you had to adapt and find your way to victory. In elden ring everything g felt optional and just there as a fan service for those hardcore fans who just wanted hard bosses for the sake if it. Elden ring is absolutely not a masterpiece, that title belongs still to dark souls. In dark souls I felt I had to keep going where as in elden ring I felt I just wanted to get through it all in hope to find the same feeling i got in dark souls, it sadly never came.
@@IsidorTheNordicGuy I actually made a test recently to see how many enemies one really needs to kill to beat Elden Ring. I made an incantation build and killed 2 Leydell knights 2 tree avatars and 12 bosses in this order: Margitt, Godrick, Radahn, draconic tree sentinel, Godfrey 1, Morgott, Fire Giant, Godskin Duo, Maliketh, Gideon, Godfrey 2, Radagon+Elden Beast (I do not count scarabs as enemies). I reached about level 95 at the end with 30 VIG, 30 MIN and 71 FAI and it was a relatively easy playthrough. This just to demonstrate that Elden Ring just has far too much optional content that can be mostly skipped if you are only interested in beating the game. The first playthrough was great, indeed, due to the fact that there was so much to be explored everywhere. But it is kind of sad that one now knows that nothing of this exploration was actually important for the story or beating the game. What a difference to Dark Souls where the whole world (Lordran) is a consistent combination of different levels which still gives the player the feeling of freedom to go and explore every area even though it is not open world.
@@heideknight7782 I hope we will get a game more akin to dark souls in the future. Open world is overused in the industry and it is getting tiresome. Agree with everything you said.
Yes, I hate torrent. That's also why I'm doing the *"no torrent run".* It really makes the game much better. However, you can't reach some items without torrent, but mostly they are just superfluous stoneword keys.
Yes man! I'm glad I've found another who shares my feelings. Good plan but the world should be smaller for that approach. I hope you join the channel my dude
I basically did a very limited torrent run in my first play through I can’t stand the horse combat in this game or using him it’s pretty stiff. You just end up getting knocked off anyway the only thing he’s useful for are the areas you need to jump through those mist things to get to higher points or use him to avoid falling off certain areas. Otherwise torrent is a waste of time.
Going to weigh in a bit. The biggest problem I have with this game are the bosses. They feel like a massive step down from the bosses of DS3/DS2/DS1(some) that felt both dynamic and challenging good mix-ups, some delayed attacks but they're not overused and or on the appropriative enemies (mostly humanoids), well-choreographed attacks (everything is avoidable), camera works even with larger bosses, uniqueness. I can't explain it but every boss in Elden ring feels less polished and has cheapness to them, whether it be an overuse of delayed attacks, spammyness, ridiculous combos with much smaller openings for attack, bad camera, and some of the bosses are genuinely weak but that's expected with such the scale they aimed for. The bosses in prior games you could almost "dance" with where you'd learn their move sets and it would be very satisfying to learn the combos and go back and forth with. After I beat a boss in Elden ring the thought that passes my mind is "well that was shit" or "im glad that's over". For reference I haven't beaten the game yet, I've just cleared Lyndell Capital and am running a basic strength build so nothing cheap & I'm also quite good at these games. General Rahadan is one of the bosses I dislike the most, he encapsulates all of the flaws that I stated earlier and feels like a DPS check, can you do enough damage to him before you run out of Estus? He's supposed to be this epic general who has lots of acclaim but instead he feels like a cheap gimmick especially since the developers intended for you to summon to beat him which just trivialises the fight and doesn't give you that challenging 1v1 experience. He's an optional boss so you can come back later in the game and fight, but that also just trivialises the fight since by that time you'll just out damage him. He just lacks the quality and enjoyableness of previous renowned boss fights that are of his calibre. I think the phenomenon that best explains this power creep/bad boss design is how Elden ring has a boss focused weapon meta choice now of broken weapons which didn't exist in previous from soft titles. I'm not saying there wasn't meta weapons in pve, but players weren't reliant on them (although it's somewhat understandable since Elden ring has a bigger audience now) In previous games you could just do fine with the most basic weapons with no flashy high damage gimmick. Other flaws are the repeat dungeons and bosses, generic lore although that's my opinion and probably a few others that could I think of. (Wrote this before I watched the video to see if our points lined up)
exact opposite for me. Bosses in ER was FAAAAAR superior to any other souls game. I was so bored playing 'fan favourites' like Atorias or any other boss. I like aggression and heavy combo movesets that force me to learn tight windows of attack. Elden ring was ABSOLUTELY magnificent in this regard. I'm actually unsure if fromsoft can top these bosses. We'll see in the DLC.
I knew the souls series was truly dead when I heard veterans of the series praise Elden Ring for adding stakes of marika and doing away with boss runs entirely, as if they never understood why those existed in the first place. It seems like what everyone wanted from these games from the very start was nothing more than pretty pictures on a screen and cheap thrills, and I'm sure after the success of ER from software and bamco will be more than happy to deliver.
@@joebiscuit250 get dark souls remastered instead, honestly it is a way better realised experience to go through as a first time player. Elden ring is kinda a mess tbh.
As people always say you never forget your first time. I believe whichever first souls game you played will always be the one with which you had the most profound experience which will quite often end up being your favourite.
I like this video, but you generalise way too much. You don't explore your critique points in greater detail. Overall I would agree that elden is not nearly as good as people want or make it out to be, but you want something to stand on, as opposed to personal opinion only. As much as essay as a form is stricly about the author's feelings without any tangable and possible to replicate examples that could serve as proof to what you said some fanboys will just dismiss this and disagree. IT would be good if FromSoft did not commit too such a fuck up of an open world again but... we need to be specific about it as a community and tell them exactly what we want or expect.
Elden Ring is not a mere artistic failure. It is a sell-out. Bosses have this 20 attack chain combo with helicopter moves because they are made for summons. Open bloatworld is for casuals to overlevel in.
The RUclips algorithm honesty sucks how does this not have 100 views yet when your game reviews can get thousands!! Seriously they need quality content control at RUclips because this was great! Didn't even feel like I was watching this for that long... Honestly your improving a lot! Keep it up! like as always and been here always in the shadows for a long time since you started! I've honestly enjoyed dark souls 3 the most and I feel the hype if this game is what made it blow up!
I just started elden ring, and it really lacks atmosphere and its bland. Dark souls seems overall better. When i approached the first camp (where you get the maiden) i felt like in Metal Gear Solid 5, sneaking into it and backstabbing the NPCs. Lol
Definitely. Dark souls is better and better paced. Try 1 or 2. Elden ring is ok on foot... But still a bit bloated. Hope you join the channel my dude this video took a very long time.
I hate the poor enemi design, sound enemi design, bosses and ost and also the dragons, So ,for me elden ring is just better than demon souls.. First time i dont go to a dlc from soft, first time i dont finish a new game plus.. This game is a great game, but this is not for me.. Nothing special with enemi design, bosses and ost... Stupid dragons, nioh and others are even much better.. Sorry for this.
Dark souls is a better game, better crafted experience. Still elden ring is overrated and filled with boss design that is broken. It requires more luck than skill most of the time. It says a lot about the gaming market that it is still my favorite game lately. 95% of the games these days hold your hand all the way through, that is why I dont get the praise of all sony exclusives because imo they are shit. Despite elden ring being overrated and designed badly on many aspects it is still miles ahead of any sony exclusive and for that I am at least thankful.
"Dark Souls has a very grounded universe. I'd go so far as to say it's as grounded as our own" The world of Dark Souls is lliterally held up by trees, and there are cities that fold in half like pieces of paper.
i think a huge problem with Elden Ring is the animations. This issue was briefly made well-known in a roundabout way via Margit's first boss fight at launch and the many memes made about his delays, but so many attacks are just disconnected from their other attacks in the attack chain, and often are either not communicated at all, are nearly entirely unreactable or are practically undodgeable if you aren't fortunate enough to be standing in the right position when they start. It feels deliberately cheap, as if it's just the game having a laugh at your expense. I can name so many prominent examples: Magma Wyrm's sword slam into the pull, which takes nearly 5 entire seconds of near immobility to finally hit you with the second part of the attack. This just relies on the meta-knowledge that players will see that as an opportunity to attack Full-Grown Fallingstar Beast's Jump-slam, which does not have a consistent jump arc and lands so it roll-catches players who are actually paying attention to the physics (not even any gravity magic visible btw) Hoarah Loux's Grapples, and in particular the one he begins the second phase with. He seriously enters slow-motion just to roll-catch you. Godrick's Wind Vortex, which is nearly unreactable and has a lingering hitbox. Banished Knight (shield variant) has a move where they create a vortex and slash you after you're hit with the nearly-unreactable and lingering first vortex Astel's ground slam; if you're in the red zone, you're nearly guaranteed to be hit by it Morgott's second fight second phase combo where you nearly can't dodge it at all Maliketh's entire deal Radagon's teleports damage you, and he can often teleport into you the Commander guarding the second Haligtree piece has a combo into an undodgeable, untelegraphed wind vortex. it took me dozens of times seeing that to realize he does it consistently, it's so untelegraphed. The only counter is running out before he does it. a Minor example is the dragon's 1-2 bite attack, which looks like the attack chain has ended by the time the second one has started The Rot and Ice dragon's roars, the former of which makes an incredibly-finnicky-to-dodge massive field of rot, and the latter of which is an entirely unreactable and highly damaging Frost AOE And others i'm sure i'm forgetting. I'm not going to elaborate on Waterfowl Dance. You already know. That's just one of the many problems i have with the game; the consistency of enemies that dodge spells is another, and the sheer amount of busywork to start a new run is yet another. Still, though i'd rank it below the other 2 From games i've player (Sekiro and DS3), i'd still put it in either A tier or B tier.
So you are a fellow dark souls 2 and 1 lover like myself?? And yes I completely agree with the animations... I've made other souls vids and hope you join the channel 🙂
I like both. From Software took a big risk with this, but I think this is the most true to developer vision we have seen from them because Ds1, 2, and 3 were all cut content. And Bloodborne was really short. We should wait until dlc as well to truly say. Because Old Hunters, Crowns, Artorias, and the two from Ds3 really amped those ones up. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Elden Ring's dlc just decimates.
Everything this man said is true! Try DS. There is a reason why the ganre is called souls like . Why would you play something that is "like" something else when you can play ther real deal. And also don't forget about Sekiro. Sekiro is also epic.
Elden ring is a decent game I enjoy it but dark souls 1 is the best “souls” game followed by ds2 I really don’t care what anyone comments or says other wise.
Right, i watched the video, it's great! But i could definitely tell that you were deeply frustrated by elden ring and i feel like that dominated some of your points or at-least overshadowed them. However, i do not blame you because i feel the EXACT same way you do. My history with dark souls is complicated. My first fromsoft experience was dark souls 2, and i was so bad that i always cheated. I cheated stats and other conveniences like not losing souls on death. It took away massively from the experience of achievement but i was young, perhaps only 15 years old or so. Obviously, playing this way is boring and i gave up. But then, i bought dark souls 3, kicking a cheating habit is hard, but dark souls 3 presented its challenges in ways that were so fascinating and engaging that i decided that i was going to master the game by cheating 'lightly' as i ignorantly called it back then. I had my favourite weapons which were always curved swords or katanas, i played only two handed with light armour, and i farmed bosses over and over again. I farmed them so much that i gained a level of mastery and confidence, of course, i was still cheating with extra stats, etc. But one day, magic occurred, the game fucking clicked and i totally got it and that day was the best day of my life. I finally steeled myself for a cheatless lets play of the game, the supposed intended experience and the raw sense of achievement i felt was indescribable and then i realized that dark souls 3 changed my life. It made me realise that if you simply don't give up, if you are willing to do anything and everything to overcome adversity and if you can eventually integrate Honour and a Noble attitude to it (by not cheating lol), you will feel like you can achieve anything in the real world. Playing dark souls 2 with all the things i learned from dark souls 3, it became a breeze and suddenly, all the complaints that people made about dark souls 2 being 'bad' seemed irrelevant to me, because i got gud, and when you're good at something, the bad qualities of that game are significantly less noticeable. Playing dark souls 1 presented its own set of challenges, but overcoming them now not only invokes the same sense of achievement, but its so enjoyable to be immersed in a world where anything could instantly kill you, including the world itself. At any moment, i could lose my souls, that is the challenge, the challenge of managing this stress, the stress of ensuring you do not go hollow yourself and resort to cheap tactics. Elden Ring? What challenge did it invoke? None... It was just an annoying game through and through, i resorted to playing Elden Ring Reforged on Master Mode just to make the game so ridiculously hard that it was actually enjoyable. Master Mode is a setting that can be enabled at a grace post-installation of the mod, and it challenges you so heavily that it made me feel like i was playing dark souls 1/3 again, the world became risky to explore and bosses were just so far from push overs. The fact that i had i install a mod to make Elden Ring playable saddens me deeply, and the fact the mod developer called it 'Master Mode' rather than 'Dark Souls 1 Mode' also saddens me. People who play Elden Ring first will never be able to truly appreciate the raw difficulty and emotional challenge of Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3. Just like you, i am so passionate about these games, and watching Fromsoft fall from grace is ironically (pun intended) depressing.
I’m glad I’m not the only one haha I thought I was going crazy! What about demon souls though? And thanks man means a lot you liked the video it’s rare to get encouragement, hope you subscribe
If you don’t farm in this game your gonna have a bad time 😂 i farmed from level 11 to 150 almost and this game became a breeze when you find the best weapons and cheesy stuff which bosses don’t like what elements. Cake walk really
This dude takes 2 minutes to explain what he is about to do, and then takes only 1 minute doing it. You don't need to explain the fact that you are about to make a point for 5 minutes, just make the point!!!!!
If elden ring was just legacy dungeons stacked on top of each other I wonder if it would feel better. none of the procedurally generated dungeons no torrent. Also I hate to break it to you but every single complaint you have about balence and cheese and summons has always been the case in from soft games. You wanna talk op? I can still here the darkbead in my nightmares. Great video
There are no procedurally generated dungeons. But yeh, The dungeons are so repetitive with copy-pasted stuff, that they feel like procedurally generated.
I just beat ds3 this last week for the first time. Coming from ER at first was a little different to get used to but I became hooked fast and I will say that it by far is in my top 5 favorite games of all time. I absolutely will remember a few of those bosses till the end of time.
such a good and well put together essay! well done. I love Elden ring but as I've only played a bit of demon souls remake maybe I'm missing the point of souls even though Elden ring sounds like much more built upon on paper... the points you bring up makes me want to go back and see why so many people feel this passion for it. I can't say I'm that passionate about Elden ring but the way you talk about dark souls like a experience sounds very amazing and special!??..maybe 😮💨😂...imo
The open world cannot be utilized because of this leveleing mechanic you talked about, which is pretty sad imo. For example I started my 2nd playthrough and killed margit and godrick right off the bat without exploring limgrave really, then I went directly to the altus plateau because I wanted to skip rennalla because I didnt feel like going there. First off all the Draconic Tree sentinel was a huge damage sponge, I mean obviously he would be I was only level 30, I was doing essentially a challenge run. But at the same time, why call it an open world game if I still have to go to margit, then godrick, then rennalla to be at an appropriate level for the capital. And even better, I did beat Draconic Tree sentinel at level 30 and basically completely mastered that guy and breaking his stance all the time, but the thing is the doors of leyndell dont even open before you have 2 lord souls! Why is it an "openworld" game if first of all it level gatekeeps you and second even if the level gatekeep isnt enough for you because you are good enough the game Literally gatekeeps by putting a magical barrier around the entrance of leyndell gatekeeping you. Of course I know why they had to segment areas with levels and enemy HP and damage values so the game wouldnt turn out to be a boring mess if every area had the same enemy level and HP values. And of course if you are not a "veteran" or so called "good" player. Then the leveling system also can destroy balance depending on how you play the game which could take away from the difficulty as you said and kinda go against the design philophies from previous fromsoft games. Lets just hope that Eldenring is used as a gateway game for people to get into souls games and the next will not have these issues, but many people will buy the next game because they got "softened" to fromsoft games through eldenring.
You said exactly what I think as well. I'm very worried about the future of fromsoftware games now which is a huge shame as they are one of the few good Dev teams left.. Elden ring is not bad but it's simply lackluster compared to dark souls.. I'm glad you saw the problems as well. I really hope you subscribe to the channel! I made other souls videos
Dark Souls 3 is 95% Demon's Souls mixed with Dark Souls. PS5 launched with Demon's Souls remake. Nice graphics but lost somewhat the "soul". Elden Ring is just too ambitious. FromSoftware's latest success lead in the wrong direction. Remember SONY's ps3 launch after stomping Microsofts xbox in the dust? It was a disaster! Simply too ambitious. Hope From get's back to track like Sony did with their ps4. I had to stop playing Elden ring after 10 hrs.
Elden ring has strong vibes with its world building but not the same thicc atmosphere.. more heavy and real with souls and Elden ring more like a generic but pretty fantasy so I think 🤔 what it looks like
I've actually never played any souls game but everyone talks about them as if they are the best games ever. Depends what kind of player.. I like FPS more
The real problem is how ridiculously diffucult it is compared to the others, its like sekiro. Throw like an entire army and a gauntlet of bosses in each area of the game
Especially in the beginning or whenever you enter a new area which can be frustrating.. and then you go back to a previous area and it's so easy. Balance is pretty broken... Glad you enjoyed the video and hope you subscribe here.
The salt is real, complains that people are crazy for farming but doesn't acknowledge the fact that farming is a choice for most people we know we don't have to but some of us choose, I think he hates this game just because he's no good at it, the one thing I'll agree about is torrents mechanics but other than that I don't mind elden ring not saying it's better than something like Demon's Souls
Gotta agree, Elden Ring is the most overrated game of the year in my opinion, and one of the most overrated games ever. Not impressed by visuals, open world, multiplayer, or quest structure at all. Could be that I just need to "git gud" to get it though. I think the art style is fantastic don't get me wrong, but that's all I feel it has going for it in my opinion and obviously I'm in the minority here. Same with my opinions that Kojima games and Resident Evil 4 is WAY overrated too but that's not something most people are going to agree with either. That's a whole another topic though.
I think this game lost a lot of the skill involved also... compared to dark souls - good to hear your perspective and I hope you join the channel if you are new here. People should never fall into mob thinking
@@milkymark6850 Yes I've tried playing it 3 times on three different consoles and dipped out at about the same point every time - near the beginning when the dynamite-throwing villagers start slowly sauntering toward you in endless numbers. Completely immersion-breaking and the godawful controls made me wanna bash my head into a wall. Again that's just me though and is obviously a very unpopular opinion. I'll maybe get further in the game to give it a fair chance some day, if I can numb my brain enough to persist.
lol @ you talking about how tribalism is bad and it's important to form your own opinion yet I have to scroll back just three months to find videos of you crying about wokeness 😂 I'm also British and it's people like you that make me wish i wasn't
@@Saviour30 "the progressive agenda" you have brain worms, it's really sad how distorted your view of reality is, and the fact that you think you're fighting some righteous cause by raging against incredibly bland media that has no leftist rhetoric at all, just the gall to cast minorities. You are an SJW.
@@Saviour30 I'm glad you so openly admit to not giving a shit. It's just content! You can say whatever you want, it's not like there are any consequences! I like how you don't understand the basic idea that media can shape the people who consume it but are so ready to promote your fucking philosophy videos 😂 I think you need to take a course in sociology if anything
I can honestly say I hate Elden ring I was so hyped for it for the new fromsoftware game I played it for two days and I was like this game is complete utter garbage and I went right back to Dark Souls 90% of the boss battles in that game are lame not exciting and not rememberable I remember playing Dark Souls 1 for the first time and going through all the bosses and just being like wow dude this battle with epic had me rushing and everything heart-pounding it was fuckingawesome I play Elden ring and I go through a few bosses and I'm f****** yawning the game went from being a hardcore action RPG with a hardcore fan base to now being super casual and for the Newbie forty-year-old dad I do not like the direction that promise off is taking granted I don't care if your getting popular or not don't change who you are and what you believe in to please the Casual I play two days a week video gamers I guarantee you in my opinion any real hardcore Souls fan is not playing Elden ring it's full of nothing but casuals and people that never played Dark Souls if you played and beat Dark Souls 1 2 and 3 and then played Elden ring and said it's better then you're just a f****** idiot
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If they shrunk the game down into a dark souls sized game and only put the main story bosses in it, it would be much better
I agree. Glad you could see some of the points I made. That video took a lot of time and I would appreciate a sub. Doing more souls content soon
Dark souls 1 is by far the most overrated game of all time.
@@Saviour30 love the videos
Dark Souls was a hidden treasure until players recognised how much different its concept was to other RPG games. The player is set on a lonely journey to overcome the curse of hollowness. Everything in the world is a mystery and needs to be unveiled by talking to NPC's or reading item descriptions. I have read somewhere that Dark Souls is like a fast strategy game in its simple yet challenging combat system, which comes close to your comparsion with the bosses doing moves like chess pieces, and you are able to respond with the tools that you can find in the world (Lordran, Drangleic or Lothric). The best about Dark Souls is that it does NOT give the player the freedom to avoid combat by riding on a horse or to level up the character or weapon by collecting free items in the world to overcome the challenges in the boss fights. A very good example for this is DS3's tutorial boss Iudex Gundyr. If you are unable to beat this boss you are not ready yet to play the game. This 'forces' the player to get familiar with the combat system and overcome a challenge with the only tools you have in the starting area: 3 Estus, your starting weapon, your abilities to dodge and attack.
In Elden Ring the very first boss is the Grafted Scion and I was actually scared at first that this could be a mandatory obstacle to overcome (like Iudex Gundyr) in order to be able to enter the game. In retrospective I must say now: I wish it was. The fact that this fight and basically all of the 165 bosses except around 10 or so are completely optional to beat the game makes the world of Elden Ring and the whole plot kind of meaningless. There is a lot to find and explore in the Land's Between. Only, very little feedback is given to the player as to why one should become Elden Lord? I.e., there are very few interactions in the game that drive the story and makes one feel to be on a journey. It is paradoxical, in the lonely and desperate world of Lordran or Drangleic I feel more at home and see more meaning than in the high fantasy world of Elden Ring.
This perfectly ^^ my feeling. I'm glad you see it as well. I would appreciate it if you subscribed brother
I feel the same way, the journey through Lordran was meaningful. Every step of the journey meant overcoming obstacles and challenges to reach your goal. It was your personal experience to grow along the way and anytime you got stuck you had to adapt and find your way to victory. In elden ring everything g felt optional and just there as a fan service for those hardcore fans who just wanted hard bosses for the sake if it.
Elden ring is absolutely not a masterpiece, that title belongs still to dark souls.
In dark souls I felt I had to keep going where as in elden ring I felt I just wanted to get through it all in hope to find the same feeling i got in dark souls, it sadly never came.
@@IsidorTheNordicGuy I actually made a test recently to see how many enemies one really needs to kill to beat Elden Ring. I made an incantation build and killed
2 Leydell knights
2 tree avatars
and 12 bosses in this order:
Margitt, Godrick, Radahn, draconic tree sentinel, Godfrey 1, Morgott, Fire Giant, Godskin Duo, Maliketh, Gideon, Godfrey 2, Radagon+Elden Beast
(I do not count scarabs as enemies). I reached about level 95 at the end with 30 VIG, 30 MIN and 71 FAI and it was a relatively easy playthrough. This just to demonstrate that Elden Ring just has far too much optional content that can be mostly skipped if you are only interested in beating the game. The first playthrough was great, indeed, due to the fact that there was so much to be explored everywhere. But it is kind of sad that one now knows that nothing of this exploration was actually important for the story or beating the game. What a difference to Dark Souls where the whole world (Lordran) is a consistent combination of different levels which still gives the player the feeling of freedom to go and explore every area even though it is not open world.
@@heideknight7782 I hope we will get a game more akin to dark souls in the future. Open world is overused in the industry and it is getting tiresome. Agree with everything you said.
Yes, I hate torrent. That's also why I'm doing the *"no torrent run".* It really makes the game much better. However, you can't reach some items without torrent, but mostly they are just superfluous stoneword keys.
Yes man! I'm glad I've found another who shares my feelings. Good plan but the world should be smaller for that approach. I hope you join the channel my dude
I basically did a very limited torrent run in my first play through I can’t stand the horse combat in this game or using him it’s pretty stiff. You just end up getting knocked off anyway the only thing he’s useful for are the areas you need to jump through those mist things to get to higher points or use him to avoid falling off certain areas. Otherwise torrent is a waste of time.
@@TheVioletBunny I'm doing Same now man. Sooo much better
I just want another game that has the balls to not give you first travel right off the gate.
Going to weigh in a bit. The biggest problem I have with this game are the bosses. They feel like a massive step down from the bosses of DS3/DS2/DS1(some) that felt both dynamic and challenging good mix-ups, some delayed attacks but they're not overused and or on the appropriative enemies (mostly humanoids), well-choreographed attacks (everything is avoidable), camera works even with larger bosses, uniqueness. I can't explain it but every boss in Elden ring feels less polished and has cheapness to them, whether it be an overuse of delayed attacks, spammyness, ridiculous combos with much smaller openings for attack, bad camera, and some of the bosses are genuinely weak but that's expected with such the scale they aimed for. The bosses in prior games you could almost "dance" with where you'd learn their move sets and it would be very satisfying to learn the combos and go back and forth with. After I beat a boss in Elden ring the thought that passes my mind is "well that was shit" or "im glad that's over". For reference I haven't beaten the game yet, I've just cleared Lyndell Capital and am running a basic strength build so nothing cheap & I'm also quite good at these games. General Rahadan is one of the bosses I dislike the most, he encapsulates all of the flaws that I stated earlier and feels like a DPS check, can you do enough damage to him before you run out of Estus? He's supposed to be this epic general who has lots of acclaim but instead he feels like a cheap gimmick especially since the developers intended for you to summon to beat him which just trivialises the fight and doesn't give you that challenging 1v1 experience. He's an optional boss so you can come back later in the game and fight, but that also just trivialises the fight since by that time you'll just out damage him. He just lacks the quality and enjoyableness of previous renowned boss fights that are of his calibre. I think the phenomenon that best explains this power creep/bad boss design is how Elden ring has a boss focused weapon meta choice now of broken weapons which didn't exist in previous from soft titles. I'm not saying there wasn't meta weapons in pve, but players weren't reliant on them (although it's somewhat understandable since Elden ring has a bigger audience now) In previous games you could just do fine with the most basic weapons with no flashy high damage gimmick. Other flaws are the repeat dungeons and bosses, generic lore although that's my opinion and probably a few others that could I think of. (Wrote this before I watched the video to see if our points lined up)
exact opposite for me. Bosses in ER was FAAAAAR superior to any other souls game. I was so bored playing 'fan favourites' like Atorias or any other boss. I like aggression and heavy combo movesets that force me to learn tight windows of attack. Elden ring was ABSOLUTELY magnificent in this regard. I'm actually unsure if fromsoft can top these bosses. We'll see in the DLC.
Ds2 and 3 suck ass, hipster.....
If this game wasnt open world it would go from 6/10 to 8/10 instantly for me
I couldnt agree more with your "reinvented" open world argument
A wise man! Glad you get it and hope you see you more and in the community! 🫡
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I knew the souls series was truly dead when I heard veterans of the series praise Elden Ring for adding stakes of marika and doing away with boss runs entirely, as if they never understood why those existed in the first place. It seems like what everyone wanted from these games from the very start was nothing more than pretty pictures on a screen and cheap thrills, and I'm sure after the success of ER from software and bamco will be more than happy to deliver.
Exactly it's very sad that very few truly "get" what the souls games are about. Hope you join the channel brother
@@Saviour30 I've never seen the appeal but looks like I might be missing out. lots of people recommend Elden ring instead now as a first experience
@@joebiscuit250 get dark souls remastered instead, honestly it is a way better realised experience to go through as a first time player.
Elden ring is kinda a mess tbh.
@@Saviour30 things are interpreted in many ways. Just because you have your own interpretation of souls games doesn’t mean its the correct one.
not everyone wants to go back from a long run and lose all ur runes or progress it’s entirely demoralizing
>"Enemies that keep charging at you like a deranged cat"
Me: -ptsd of the DS2 suspicious shadow- 🥴
Haha lol the saviour is crazy with his descriptions.. that's why I love him. Hope you join are dope community here.
As people always say you never forget your first time. I believe whichever first souls game you played will always be the one with which you had the most profound experience which will quite often end up being your favourite.
That's true but something could be better... But that first impression is important
Hope you liked the video I worked hard on that one and hope you subscribe 😁 please have a great day ok!
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The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
thanks man. Wise words from a wise man, you will like my history if philosophy video I think. Hope you join the channel brother
@@Saviour30 yep I've seen it a bit ago nice content indeed👍
I like this video, but you generalise way too much. You don't explore your critique points in greater detail. Overall I would agree that elden is not nearly as good as people want or make it out to be, but you want something to stand on, as opposed to personal opinion only. As much as essay as a form is stricly about the author's feelings without any tangable and possible to replicate examples that could serve as proof to what you said some fanboys will just dismiss this and disagree. IT would be good if FromSoft did not commit too such a fuck up of an open world again but... we need to be specific about it as a community and tell them exactly what we want or expect.
he actually said the "dark souls is better than Elden ring" three times in a row. Such a compelling start to a critique.
It is so he's right
Elden Ring is not a mere artistic failure. It is a sell-out. Bosses have this 20 attack chain combo with helicopter moves because they are made for summons. Open bloatworld is for casuals to overlevel in.
Exactly! Man you can't trust modern day entertainment... I try and expose it. I hope you subscribe that would mean a lot to me
Completely agree and I have all achievements for it so I have experienced everything it has to offer, imo it is a mess.
The RUclips algorithm honesty sucks how does this not have 100 views yet when your game reviews can get thousands!! Seriously they need quality content control at RUclips because this was great! Didn't even feel like I was watching this for that long... Honestly your improving a lot! Keep it up! like as always and been here always in the shadows for a long time since you started! I've honestly enjoyed dark souls 3 the most and I feel the hype if this game is what made it blow up!
Datk souls 3 is a hipster entryway. It sucks ass and I sold that joke
I just started elden ring, and it really lacks atmosphere and its bland. Dark souls seems overall better. When i approached the first camp (where you get the maiden) i felt like in Metal Gear Solid 5, sneaking into it and backstabbing the NPCs. Lol
Definitely. Dark souls is better and better paced. Try 1 or 2. Elden ring is ok on foot... But still a bit bloated. Hope you join the channel my dude this video took a very long time.
I hate the poor enemi design, sound enemi design, bosses and ost and also the dragons,
So ,for me elden ring is just better than demon souls..
First time i dont go to a dlc from soft, first time i dont finish a new game plus..
This game is a great game, but this is not for me.. Nothing special with enemi design, bosses and ost... Stupid dragons, nioh and others are even much better.. Sorry for this.
Dark souls is a better game, better crafted experience. Still elden ring is overrated and filled with boss design that is broken. It requires more luck than skill most of the time. It says a lot about the gaming market that it is still my favorite game lately. 95% of the games these days hold your hand all the way through, that is why I dont get the praise of all sony exclusives because imo they are shit. Despite elden ring being overrated and designed badly on many aspects it is still miles ahead of any sony exclusive and for that I am at least thankful.
Bro knew all along
My subscribed are called wise ones for a reason so be one
Dude this is the content I signed up for! Amazing work! Hope this blows up for you!! 🙏👍
Yeah I hate torrent too. I hate even more being forced to use him +10 summons at the same time to stand a fair chance against radahn
"Dark Souls has a very grounded universe. I'd go so far as to say it's as grounded as our own"
The world of Dark Souls is lliterally held up by trees, and there are cities that fold in half like pieces of paper.
I meant the rules and logic of the universe... Unlike Elden ring. Anyway I'm glad you agreed with me on most things. Would appreciate the sub
@@Saviour30 I know bro, I was joking around ahahhaab, and yeah I'll sub now 💯🤛🏻
i think a huge problem with Elden Ring is the animations. This issue was briefly made well-known in a roundabout way via Margit's first boss fight at launch and the many memes made about his delays, but so many attacks are just disconnected from their other attacks in the attack chain, and often are either not communicated at all, are nearly entirely unreactable or are practically undodgeable if you aren't fortunate enough to be standing in the right position when they start. It feels deliberately cheap, as if it's just the game having a laugh at your expense.
I can name so many prominent examples:
Magma Wyrm's sword slam into the pull, which takes nearly 5 entire seconds of near immobility to finally hit you with the second part of the attack. This just relies on the meta-knowledge that players will see that as an opportunity to attack
Full-Grown Fallingstar Beast's Jump-slam, which does not have a consistent jump arc and lands so it roll-catches players who are actually paying attention to the physics (not even any gravity magic visible btw)
Hoarah Loux's Grapples, and in particular the one he begins the second phase with. He seriously enters slow-motion just to roll-catch you.
Godrick's Wind Vortex, which is nearly unreactable and has a lingering hitbox.
Banished Knight (shield variant) has a move where they create a vortex and slash you after you're hit with the nearly-unreactable and lingering first vortex
Astel's ground slam; if you're in the red zone, you're nearly guaranteed to be hit by it
Morgott's second fight second phase combo where you nearly can't dodge it at all
Maliketh's entire deal
Radagon's teleports damage you, and he can often teleport into you
the Commander guarding the second Haligtree piece has a combo into an undodgeable, untelegraphed wind vortex. it took me dozens of times seeing that to realize he does it consistently, it's so untelegraphed. The only counter is running out before he does it.
a Minor example is the dragon's 1-2 bite attack, which looks like the attack chain has ended by the time the second one has started
The Rot and Ice dragon's roars, the former of which makes an incredibly-finnicky-to-dodge massive field of rot, and the latter of which is an entirely unreactable and highly damaging Frost AOE
And others i'm sure i'm forgetting.
I'm not going to elaborate on Waterfowl Dance. You already know.
That's just one of the many problems i have with the game; the consistency of enemies that dodge spells is another, and the sheer amount of busywork to start a new run is yet another. Still, though i'd rank it below the other 2 From games i've player (Sekiro and DS3), i'd still put it in either A tier or B tier.
So you are a fellow dark souls 2 and 1 lover like myself?? And yes I completely agree with the animations... I've made other souls vids and hope you join the channel 🙂
I like both. From Software took a big risk with this, but I think this is the most true to developer vision we have seen from them because Ds1, 2, and 3 were all cut content. And Bloodborne was really short. We should wait until dlc as well to truly say. Because Old Hunters, Crowns, Artorias, and the two from Ds3 really amped those ones up. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Elden Ring's dlc just decimates.
Everything this man said is true! Try DS. There is a reason why the ganre is called souls like . Why would you play something that is "like" something else when you can play ther real deal. And also don't forget about Sekiro. Sekiro is also epic.
Elden ring is a decent game I enjoy it but dark souls 1 is the best “souls” game followed by ds2 I really don’t care what anyone comments or says other wise.
Right, i watched the video, it's great! But i could definitely tell that you were deeply frustrated by elden ring and i feel like that dominated some of your points or at-least overshadowed them. However, i do not blame you because i feel the EXACT same way you do.
My history with dark souls is complicated. My first fromsoft experience was dark souls 2, and i was so bad that i always cheated. I cheated stats and other conveniences like not losing souls on death. It took away massively from the experience of achievement but i was young, perhaps only 15 years old or so. Obviously, playing this way is boring and i gave up.
But then, i bought dark souls 3, kicking a cheating habit is hard, but dark souls 3 presented its challenges in ways that were so fascinating and engaging that i decided that i was going to master the game by cheating 'lightly' as i ignorantly called it back then. I had my favourite weapons which were always curved swords or katanas, i played only two handed with light armour, and i farmed bosses over and over again. I farmed them so much that i gained a level of mastery and confidence, of course, i was still cheating with extra stats, etc. But one day, magic occurred, the game fucking clicked and i totally got it and that day was the best day of my life.
I finally steeled myself for a cheatless lets play of the game, the supposed intended experience and the raw sense of achievement i felt was indescribable and then i realized that dark souls 3 changed my life. It made me realise that if you simply don't give up, if you are willing to do anything and everything to overcome adversity and if you can eventually integrate Honour and a Noble attitude to it (by not cheating lol), you will feel like you can achieve anything in the real world.
Playing dark souls 2 with all the things i learned from dark souls 3, it became a breeze and suddenly, all the complaints that people made about dark souls 2 being 'bad' seemed irrelevant to me, because i got gud, and when you're good at something, the bad qualities of that game are significantly less noticeable.
Playing dark souls 1 presented its own set of challenges, but overcoming them now not only invokes the same sense of achievement, but its so enjoyable to be immersed in a world where anything could instantly kill you, including the world itself. At any moment, i could lose my souls, that is the challenge, the challenge of managing this stress, the stress of ensuring you do not go hollow yourself and resort to cheap tactics.
Elden Ring? What challenge did it invoke? None... It was just an annoying game through and through, i resorted to playing Elden Ring Reforged on Master Mode just to make the game so ridiculously hard that it was actually enjoyable. Master Mode is a setting that can be enabled at a grace post-installation of the mod, and it challenges you so heavily that it made me feel like i was playing dark souls 1/3 again, the world became risky to explore and bosses were just so far from push overs. The fact that i had i install a mod to make Elden Ring playable saddens me deeply, and the fact the mod developer called it 'Master Mode' rather than 'Dark Souls 1 Mode' also saddens me.
People who play Elden Ring first will never be able to truly appreciate the raw difficulty and emotional challenge of Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3. Just like you, i am so passionate about these games, and watching Fromsoft fall from grace is ironically (pun intended) depressing.
I’m glad I’m not the only one haha I thought I was going crazy! What about demon souls though? And thanks man means a lot you liked the video it’s rare to get encouragement, hope you subscribe
Wait a sec, there's really someone that thinks ER is better than DS? 😂😂😂😂😂 Guys...get a grip
In my opinion it could’ve been if they added new things to ng+ and added covenants because pvp is kinda stale
Playing Elden Ring sans Torrent sounds like a good challenge.
I feel the same, yet i keep coming for more only motivated by my friends pleads for me to finish it
Last but not least - 3rd person view is just way too close. Happend already with the Demon's Souls remake. Hope this trend stops.
If you don’t farm in this game your gonna have a bad time 😂 i farmed from level 11 to 150 almost and this game became a breeze when you find the best weapons and cheesy stuff which bosses don’t like what elements. Cake walk really
This dude takes 2 minutes to explain what he is about to do, and then takes only 1 minute doing it. You don't need to explain the fact that you are about to make a point for 5 minutes, just make the point!!!!!
Gonna watch this with my dinner 😋🍽️ never seen such a long upload from you before!
that is dope this took me a mad person's amount of time...!
Btw the video actually starts 4 minutes in. Waaaaaaay too long of an intro
Me and my Mimic Tear watching another pretentious fanboy mald over how ER didn't save their life like DS did: 🙂🙂
I agree man this video deserve thousands of views bro. Very well done
Beautiful places in this game 😃👍🏻🏰
If elden ring was just legacy dungeons stacked on top of each other I wonder if it would feel better. none of the procedurally generated dungeons no torrent. Also I hate to break it to you but every single complaint you have about balence and cheese and summons has always been the case in from soft games. You wanna talk op? I can still here the darkbead in my nightmares. Great video
There are no procedurally generated dungeons. But yeh, The dungeons are so repetitive with copy-pasted stuff, that they feel like procedurally generated.
A very professional video saviour appreciate the time you took on this
This content is insane bro.
Why do I keep Elden Ring hate videos like this in my feed?
Because you are a filthy casual git gud
I just beat ds3 this last week for the first time. Coming from ER at first was a little different to get used to but I became hooked fast and I will say that it by far is in my top 5 favorite games of all time. I absolutely will remember a few of those bosses till the end of time.
such a good and well put together essay! well done. I love Elden ring but as I've only played a bit of demon souls remake maybe I'm missing the point of souls even though Elden ring sounds like much more built upon on paper... the points you bring up makes me want to go back and see why so many people feel this passion for it. I can't say I'm that passionate about Elden ring but the way you talk about dark souls like a experience sounds very amazing and special!??..maybe 😮💨😂...imo
The goat is the worst thing in gaming history 🐐
The open world cannot be utilized because of this leveleing mechanic you talked about, which is pretty sad imo.
For example I started my 2nd playthrough and killed margit and godrick right off the bat without exploring limgrave really, then I went directly to the altus plateau because I wanted to skip rennalla because I didnt feel like going there.
First off all the Draconic Tree sentinel was a huge damage sponge, I mean obviously he would be I was only level 30, I was doing essentially a challenge run. But at the same time, why call it an open world game if I still have to go to margit, then godrick, then rennalla to be at an appropriate level for the capital.
And even better, I did beat Draconic Tree sentinel at level 30 and basically completely mastered that guy and breaking his stance all the time, but the thing is the doors of leyndell dont even open before you have 2 lord souls!
Why is it an "openworld" game if first of all it level gatekeeps you and second even if the level gatekeep isnt enough for you because you are good enough the game Literally gatekeeps by putting a magical barrier around the entrance of leyndell gatekeeping you.
Of course I know why they had to segment areas with levels and enemy HP and damage values so the game wouldnt turn out to be a boring mess if every area had the same enemy level and HP values.
And of course if you are not a "veteran" or so called "good" player. Then the leveling system also can destroy balance depending on how you play the game which could take away from the difficulty as you said and kinda go against the design philophies from previous fromsoft games.
Lets just hope that Eldenring is used as a gateway game for people to get into souls games and the next will not have these issues, but many people will buy the next game because they got "softened" to fromsoft games through eldenring.
You said exactly what I think as well. I'm very worried about the future of fromsoftware games now which is a huge shame as they are one of the few good Dev teams left.. Elden ring is not bad but it's simply lackluster compared to dark souls.. I'm glad you saw the problems as well. I really hope you subscribe to the channel! I made other souls videos
I prefer Elden ring but love your perspective on this 😳
Dark Souls 3 is 95% Demon's Souls mixed with Dark Souls. PS5 launched with Demon's Souls remake. Nice graphics but lost somewhat the "soul". Elden Ring is just too ambitious. FromSoftware's latest success lead in the wrong direction. Remember SONY's ps3 launch after stomping Microsofts xbox in the dust? It was a disaster! Simply too ambitious. Hope From get's back to track like Sony did with their ps4. I had to stop playing Elden ring after 10 hrs.
good job buddy
Nice job pronouncing the letter R like a 6 year old
Ye I have a speech impediment, thanks for being so mature and understanding
Elden ring has strong vibes with its world building but not the same thicc atmosphere.. more heavy and real with souls and Elden ring more like a generic but pretty fantasy so I think 🤔 what it looks like
I've actually never played any souls game but everyone talks about them as if they are the best games ever. Depends what kind of player.. I like FPS more
Be a archer then. 😈
The real problem is how ridiculously diffucult it is compared to the others, its like sekiro. Throw like an entire army and a gauntlet of bosses in each area of the game
Especially in the beginning or whenever you enter a new area which can be frustrating.. and then you go back to a previous area and it's so easy. Balance is pretty broken... Glad you enjoyed the video and hope you subscribe here.
"I think tribalism is promoted on social media and we have to stop that"
Same guy, in first 30 seconds: IN BRITISH INIT
The salt is real, complains that people are crazy for farming but doesn't acknowledge the fact that farming is a choice for most people we know we don't have to but some of us choose, I think he hates this game just because he's no good at it, the one thing I'll agree about is torrents mechanics but other than that I don't mind elden ring not saying it's better than something like Demon's Souls
Gotta agree, Elden Ring is the most overrated game of the year in my opinion, and one of the most overrated games ever.
Not impressed by visuals, open world, multiplayer, or quest structure at all. Could be that I just need to "git gud" to get it though.
I think the art style is fantastic don't get me wrong, but that's all I feel it has going for it in my opinion and obviously I'm in the minority here.
Same with my opinions that Kojima games and Resident Evil 4 is WAY overrated too but that's not something most people are going to agree with either. That's a whole another topic though.
Bro resident evil is kinda trashy but 4 is so good come on! Have you even played it? And Elden ring is ok more easier to get into than dark souls
Open world games need to stop
I think this game lost a lot of the skill involved also... compared to dark souls - good to hear your perspective and I hope you join the channel if you are new here. People should never fall into mob thinking
@@milkymark6850 Yes I've tried playing it 3 times on three different consoles and dipped out at about the same point every time - near the beginning when the dynamite-throwing villagers start slowly sauntering toward you in endless numbers. Completely immersion-breaking and the godawful controls made me wanna bash my head into a wall.
Again that's just me though and is obviously a very unpopular opinion.
I'll maybe get further in the game to give it a fair chance some day, if I can numb my brain enough to persist.
WOW!!!
lol @ you talking about how tribalism is bad and it's important to form your own opinion yet I have to scroll back just three months to find videos of you crying about wokeness 😂 I'm also British and it's people like you that make me wish i wasn't
You can acknowledge something is against virtue like the progressive agenda and still be against tribalism.. your logic makes no sense.
@@Saviour30 "the progressive agenda" you have brain worms, it's really sad how distorted your view of reality is, and the fact that you think you're fighting some righteous cause by raging against incredibly bland media that has no leftist rhetoric at all, just the gall to cast minorities. You are an SJW.
It's content. Touch some grass I'm only really serious in my philosophy videos
@@Saviour30 I'm glad you so openly admit to not giving a shit. It's just content! You can say whatever you want, it's not like there are any consequences! I like how you don't understand the basic idea that media can shape the people who consume it but are so ready to promote your fucking philosophy videos 😂 I think you need to take a course in sociology if anything
oh believe me I know the power and I intend to use it... for good @@ennayanne
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I can honestly say I hate Elden ring I was so hyped for it for the new fromsoftware game I played it for two days and I was like this game is complete utter garbage and I went right back to Dark Souls 90% of the boss battles in that game are lame not exciting and not rememberable I remember playing Dark Souls 1 for the first time and going through all the bosses and just being like wow dude this battle with epic had me rushing and everything heart-pounding it was fuckingawesome I play Elden ring and I go through a few bosses and I'm f****** yawning the game went from being a hardcore action RPG with a hardcore fan base to now being super casual and for the Newbie forty-year-old dad I do not like the direction that promise off is taking granted I don't care if your getting popular or not don't change who you are and what you believe in to please the Casual I play two days a week video gamers I guarantee you in my opinion any real hardcore Souls fan is not playing Elden ring it's full of nothing but casuals and people that never played Dark Souls if you played and beat Dark Souls 1 2 and 3 and then played Elden ring and said it's better then you're just a f****** idiot
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I agree with you. If you are wise you will join this channel
@@Saviour30 I will for 1 ETH
A hard bargain 🤔
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