You are 100% wrong with every change, my video has way better picks! Edit: After watching, a few points: - I judged cards by how good they were when they were in standard, and partially how good in wild, not how good they would be in standard right now. - Some changes I can see such as Incanter's Flow, but think you have a bit too much focus on recent cards. - Cavern Shinyfinder is The Caverns Below since I'm not crafting that shit, which you would know if you actually watched my video like you said you did!
I'm surprised mysterious challenger didn't end up on either of your lists that's prob the largest offender of "broke standard when it was in the meta" in paladin
For Paladin, I’d say Mysterious Challenger was the go-to card. Back in the day, if a game against a Paladin lasted until turn six, you knew trouble was coming.
No mention of Anchor Totem for shaman? If your opponent couldn’t answer the game was over and it felt great to generate even more of them with amalgam of the deep
No Darkbishop Benedictus? Voidtouched attendant would not see play without him and he is even played in control decks in wild because of how good his hero power is.
I haven’t played any HS since that bug. I love HS but I refuse to restart my game every match just to avoid a bug they should have fixed already. So I’ll just wait until they fix it.
You're all over the place Zeddy, saying that the cards were absolutely broken on release, and putting up on the list and then immediately saying that others cards just as broken wouldn't compete today
@@TheTouristArrives yeah my bad, I thought they couldnt run it because it shared spell type with iceblock but I was just getting dawngrasp and rommath mixed up
you have to compare cards to the respective formats and metas they were in to rate the best cards of all time correctly. just because wild as of today is a complete crapshoot of unbalanced garbage, doesn't mean that Mysterious Challenger wasn't one of the most broken Cards paladin ever had. both theos and your lists are meh at best.
As a warlock enjoyer...I think Sargeras is the best card warlock has ever had. Demon seed takes a Lil luck and a few turns. Tickatus was just rage bait. Sargeras does what warlock wants and needs. Lakkari sacrifice and Neeru can't compete
He’s not judging cards by how good they were when they were in standard, but if they would see play today. Mysterious challenger, even if it had support definitely wouldn’t. I think Kingsbane probably would if it had support but not best of all time based on how he’s judging them.
Yup. Unleash Fel is basically in the same slot as Il’gynoth since it is a fine card, but only on the list since it interacts with the combo. Mana Burn is probably even the best DH card of all time imo. Was crazy to not see it on the list.
Zeddy Best card : Could you image if this was 2 manna (shockspitter) BUT ITS NOT , and your dying to libram paladin,asteroid shaman, waves of tsunamis from mage by turn 5-6 and That you don't have to imagine.Same thing with DH and Lady S'theno could you iamgin if this was 3 or 4 attack ,it would be OP ... half are nostalgia picks
Can’t believe neither of them added manaburn, it’s like a top 2 dh card of all time. Dark bishop benedictus deserves it more than archbishop though imo.
@ It’s close, mana burn doesn’t completely break the game or anything right now. If the questline were reverted it’d 100% break wild. They’re also missing raise dead for priest/warlock, if you think about older cards in their prime then jade idol for druid, desthstalker rexxar for hunter, and kingsbane for rogue should have made the list
Surprised you didn’t include Uther in your Paladin cards. He’s still around in Wild and with the addition of Sing-Along Buddy, the card can OTK you as early as turn 6.
Demon Seed isn’t the best card in HS. The archetype has too much support around it nowadays for sure, but the quest itself and its reward have been strangely irrelevant in many good matchups. Even the best unnerfed og Demon Seed would stand no chance vs full power Giant Rogue or Quest Mage. Increase the cost of Dark Glare, Horror, Giant, Healthstone etc. nerf cards like Crystallizer to 3-3 or totally rework mass production and the quest won’t carry itself. The package is strong, with almost miracle turns and strong early board clear/swing, but the quest is pretty slow and costly. Cards like Secret Passage draw 5 for 1 mana are just obscene by themselves. Defile has been carrying the Warlock class vs aggro and midrange for 7.5 years. Remove or nerf it and watch Demon Seed win rate PLUMMET vs DH, Shadow Priest, Even Shaman, Pirates, etc.
Honestly, I think most of the Titans are overrated. Like, besides Aman'thul, they're mostly just "Solid" cards but nothing crazy. For example, is Primus as noteworthy as something like Helya a card that literally shut down entire archetypes? Or Chillfallen Baron that is in literally every DK deck ever? Or Aggramar compared to something like Flare? Or Patchwork Pals? Or Kill Command? Freezing Trap? Golganneth over something like Lightning Reflexes? Flurgl? Flash of Lightning? Bioluminescence? Heck, even things like Crackle and Lightning Bolt have been staple in both Standard and Wild since their inception.
hey zeddy big fan here, i been a long time watcher and really love your rants sometimes, i need your help with a subject i cant seem to get any answers for, titans seem to be bugged on play. it cost me plenty or ranked matches including some final bosses. 70%-80% that i play a titan it goes as planned, but about 30% my whole game freezes and there is not much i can do after other than alt f4 and by the time i come back in its my opponents turn, and the game is over because i played a 10 mana do nothing. same happened with DK titan . Priest titan and paladin titan, I'm not sure what's causing this bug but I'm tired of loosing games to it. please help bring awareness to this issue. if anyone else experienced this please share
Zeddy has multiple videos on this bug already. Go to his channel and watch any of the videos. He even explains how to fix it, although the fix can be annoying sometimes.
Zeddy has mentioned this as a bug several times over the past week or two, including in this video where he mentioned that finding a Titan using dredge also triggers the freeze bug. If you mulligan a Titan away, the game will freeze when you later redraw and then play it. Zeddy's advice was that since the Titan works after restarting Hearthstone, Alt-F4 on an earlier opponent's turn so you don't lose any time restarting the game on your turn.
Helya/reska final showdown defend the dwarven district guff ice block/open the waygate oh my yogg aman thul/mindrender illucia shudderwock shadowstep Brann/odynn !!! the demon seed
Zeddy i think evaluating the cards based on if theyd be strong in standard right now is kinda dumb honestly. Like skull of guldan in its time when it was released was fucking broken as hell. Obviously it's your video so you can do what you want but for me evaluating them baeed on todays meta is kinda pointless
@@AzraelRuin And? He did not say the card needed to be old and Odin was strong in both standard and wild. I rathar have odin than Brann in many cases (not to take from brann but still)
As a DH wild player, I play only highlander dh, I agree Questline is the best card, but Topple the Idol is soo good, it is the card that can beat big shamans, quest dh giants, libram paladin giants when they play cold feet. Now with ceaseless back it can deal 100 damage. Id say its the 2nd best
@AzraelRuin i have like 1500 wins with highlander dh in wild, alot of wild decks is mana cheating and thats why 4 mana board clear is very good now, can also otk aggro priest if he play 1 mana 2/4 pirate lol
Chaman (i saw your choice but its as already an evidence for me, almost 12000 wins and never play copy net deck) so : Ara - shudderlock - devolution - surcharge spell with two 5/4 rush - for sure. Then : freeze elementaire (6 mana) / hagatha (4/3 minion) / heros (heal-taunt-blast-electricity) / spell for 7 mana (+2+3) / spell that transform board in murlocs. Golganeth is inferior in comparison same for evolution and frog. Surcharge Quest can be mentioned but it will be always weaker than batlecry quest. The new spell card that gives 3 copy of a spell is also a card that could be on the same level at the top 5.
I don’t think evaluating cards based on today’s standards is fair. Skull when DH launched was arguably the best card ever made.
Twin slice as well
Undertaker used to be an absolutely busted card, nowadays it's probably pretty meh.
Nah caverns below was insane
You are 100% wrong with every change, my video has way better picks!
Edit: After watching, a few points:
- I judged cards by how good they were when they were in standard, and partially how good in wild, not how good they would be in standard right now.
- Some changes I can see such as Incanter's Flow, but think you have a bit too much focus on recent cards.
- Cavern Shinyfinder is The Caverns Below since I'm not crafting that shit, which you would know if you actually watched my video like you said you did!
I'm surprised mysterious challenger didn't end up on either of your lists that's prob the largest offender of "broke standard when it was in the meta" in paladin
@@Quezell Definitely came close to making it to my list
Though your both lists are quite good, I am surprised not seeing Odyn in Warrior and probably Amitus in Paladin.
No deck of lunacy??? Rarran is the only one getting that correct then :(
"threads being 1 mana" holyy, I forgot how cheap threads of despair used to be, such good removal
No aquatic form or moonlit guidance is criminal, both played in almost every deck just not super flashy
10:55 how do we tell him?
For Paladin, I’d say Mysterious Challenger was the go-to card. Back in the day, if a game against a Paladin lasted until turn six, you knew trouble was coming.
No mention of Anchor Totem for shaman? If your opponent couldn’t answer the game was over and it felt great to generate even more of them with amalgam of the deep
It’s strange dismissing some cards for “would not see play today” but rate others highly that also wouldn’t see play today
We gotta see a theo-zeddy playoff series
Would be cool if they did like a expansion series like rarran did
@josephvalles1353 real ones remember the solem serier 😔
How is Galakrond not in Shaman also feel like Tamsine Roame deserved a warlock spot that card enabled so many fun deathrattle otks and survivability
MY warlock picks are (in particular order): 1. Demon Seed 2. Stealer of Souls 3. Darkglare 4. Runed Mithril Rod 5. Raise Dead
I remember when Shudderwock first came out and when it was played tou could literally go and.make a drink and come back to play
I don't agree with shadow step not being on the top 5 Cards for rogue.
Tess maybe. It's close.
No Darkbishop Benedictus? Voidtouched attendant would not see play without him and he is even played in control decks in wild because of how good his hero power is.
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This video embraces my spirit with joy and I love it 💋
Loving the titan freeze bug though
I haven’t played any HS since that bug. I love HS but I refuse to restart my game every match just to avoid a bug they should have fixed already. So I’ll just wait until they fix it.
Muster for Battle should be in the Paladin list, it was a auto include for many years .
Rarran did the achievement he has a video on it lol
You're all over the place Zeddy, saying that the cards were absolutely broken on release, and putting up on the list and then immediately saying that others cards just as broken wouldn't compete today
That intro is your best you have ever had.
I can’t believe Zeddy didn’t have Shadowstep on his Rogue list.
Or Sonya by the amount of times he whines to have them nerfed
Frost Nova needs to be on there. It's in basically every Mage deck
Not that good anymore, why play frost nova when you can just play another ice block repeater
@@RynianoEver play against Hostage Mage in Wild? Frost Nova is critical to that deck.
@@TheTouristArrives yeah my bad, I thought they couldnt run it because it shared spell type with iceblock but I was just getting dawngrasp and rommath mixed up
Shoutout to unnerfed Stealer of Souls for Warlock. F that card.
Maestra of the Masquerade should probably be in honorable mentions too just cause how many bullshi rogue has done thanks to its/her effect
you have to compare cards to the respective formats and metas they were in to rate the best cards of all time correctly. just because wild as of today is a complete crapshoot of unbalanced garbage, doesn't mean that Mysterious Challenger wasn't one of the most broken Cards paladin ever had.
both theos and your lists are meh at best.
was gonna check out that theo character, but since you told me not to i guess i dont have much choice.
As a warlock enjoyer...I think Sargeras is the best card warlock has ever had. Demon seed takes a Lil luck and a few turns. Tickatus was just rage bait. Sargeras does what warlock wants and needs. Lakkari sacrifice and Neeru can't compete
It would be funnier if Zeddy show thubnails of his Priest deck videos, but oh well. xDD
Zeddy did you forget that Mana Burn exists for DH
It’s falling off one expansion at a time. Zeddy is saving one expansion at a time for me by keep making content.
I think original secret passage is the best card in the game, easily. Only in rogue though, for obvious reasons.
Mysterious Challenger?! Kingsbane?!
He’s not judging cards by how good they were when they were in standard, but if they would see play today. Mysterious challenger, even if it had support definitely wouldn’t. I think Kingsbane probably would if it had support but not best of all time based on how he’s judging them.
@@samuelhart9359It’s not exactly that either. Many of the cards would see no play today. It’s a mix of both.
I would swap Unleash Fel with Mana Burn, that card is so busted in both Standard and Wild
Yup. Unleash Fel is basically in the same slot as Il’gynoth since it is a fine card, but only on the list since it interacts with the combo. Mana Burn is probably even the best DH card of all time imo. Was crazy to not see it on the list.
I am so confused, is these rating them on the card right now or back when it in standard?
Zeddy got 54/55 correct, but "Showdown!" Zeddy? "Showdown!" WTH??? I guess some people don't like to be perfect.
The disrespect to helya is Crazy
Zeddy Best card : Could you image if this was 2 manna (shockspitter) BUT ITS NOT , and your dying to libram paladin,asteroid shaman, waves of tsunamis from mage by turn 5-6 and That you don't have to imagine.Same thing with DH and Lady S'theno could you iamgin if this was 3 or 4 attack ,it would be OP ... half are nostalgia picks
Mana burn for DH and Darkbishop Benedictus for priest
Can’t believe neither of them added manaburn, it’s like a top 2 dh card of all time. Dark bishop benedictus deserves it more than archbishop though imo.
@Chimeraeateverything oh i meant Darkbishop, the one that goes shadowform, i got confused lol
@@ChimeraeateverythingI think Mana Burn is straight up no. 1 for DH imo. I was very surprised to not see it on either list.
@ It’s close, mana burn doesn’t completely break the game or anything right now. If the questline were reverted it’d 100% break wild. They’re also missing raise dead for priest/warlock, if you think about older cards in their prime then jade idol for druid, desthstalker rexxar for hunter, and kingsbane for rogue should have made the list
Surprised you didn’t include Uther in your Paladin cards. He’s still around in Wild and with the addition of Sing-Along Buddy, the card can OTK you as early as turn 6.
That’s only an extremely recent thing. He hasn’t been anywhere near as good in the past.
@ Just checked. The OTK has been around since roughly 7 years ago. It wasn’t nearly as fast back then, but it’s only gotten more optimized since then.
Demon Seed isn’t the best card in HS. The archetype has too much support around it nowadays for sure, but the quest itself and its reward have been strangely irrelevant in many good matchups.
Even the best unnerfed og Demon Seed would stand no chance vs full power Giant Rogue or Quest Mage.
Increase the cost of Dark Glare, Horror, Giant, Healthstone etc. nerf cards like Crystallizer to 3-3 or totally rework mass production and the quest won’t carry itself. The package is strong, with almost miracle turns and strong early board clear/swing, but the quest is pretty slow and costly.
Cards like Secret Passage draw 5 for 1 mana are just obscene by themselves.
Defile has been carrying the Warlock class vs aggro and midrange for 7.5 years. Remove or nerf it and watch Demon Seed win rate PLUMMET vs DH, Shadow Priest, Even Shaman, Pirates, etc.
Honestly, I think most of the Titans are overrated.
Like, besides Aman'thul, they're mostly just "Solid" cards but nothing crazy.
For example, is Primus as noteworthy as something like Helya a card that literally shut down entire archetypes? Or Chillfallen Baron that is in literally every DK deck ever?
Or Aggramar compared to something like Flare? Or Patchwork Pals? Or Kill Command? Freezing Trap?
Golganneth over something like Lightning Reflexes? Flurgl? Flash of Lightning? Bioluminescence? Heck, even things like Crackle and Lightning Bolt have been staple in both Standard and Wild since their inception.
Jace and Skull of Gul'dan, which are like ridiculously bad cards by modern standards, in top 5 is crazy
hey zeddy big fan here, i been a long time watcher and really love your rants sometimes, i need your help with a subject i cant seem to get any answers for, titans seem to be bugged on play. it cost me plenty or ranked matches including some final bosses. 70%-80% that i play a titan it goes as planned, but about 30% my whole game freezes and there is not much i can do after other than alt f4 and by the time i come back in its my opponents turn, and the game is over because i played a 10 mana do nothing. same happened with DK titan . Priest titan and paladin titan, I'm not sure what's causing this bug but I'm tired of loosing games to it. please help bring awareness to this issue.
if anyone else experienced this please share
Zeddy has multiple videos on this bug already. Go to his channel and watch any of the videos. He even explains how to fix it, although the fix can be annoying sometimes.
Zeddy has mentioned this as a bug several times over the past week or two, including in this video where he mentioned that finding a Titan using dredge also triggers the freeze bug. If you mulligan a Titan away, the game will freeze when you later redraw and then play it. Zeddy's advice was that since the Titan works after restarting Hearthstone, Alt-F4 on an earlier opponent's turn so you don't lose any time restarting the game on your turn.
No Sonya? Sonya is keeping rogue alive in standard
我覺得最特別的是芬莉 交換海底牌庫
The neutral card? Maybe, but these are all class cards.
I was about to support Theo, but you got me.
If he plays Priest he doesnt deserve suppport.
Kobold Shiny Finder is terrible because of a neutral equivalent but Kobold Librarian isn’t? Tour Guide is right there
Helya/reska
final showdown
defend the dwarven district
guff
ice block/open the waygate
oh my yogg
aman thul/mindrender illucia
shudderwock
shadowstep
Brann/odynn !!!
the demon seed
i would ve put kingsbane in the best card just beacuse it used to be able to get lifesteal
I think rogue whole collection should be rogue best card.
Ummm... Tunnel Trogg?🤷
Compare the bad cards and let's see what class has had the biggest amount of duh duh through the years
Zeddy i think evaluating the cards based on if theyd be strong in standard right now is kinda dumb honestly. Like skull of guldan in its time when it was released was fucking broken as hell. Obviously it's your video so you can do what you want but for me evaluating them baeed on todays meta is kinda pointless
Why no odin?
That would be extreme recency bias.
@@AzraelRuin And? He did not say the card needed to be old and Odin was strong in both standard and wild. I rathar have odin than Brann in many cases (not to take from brann but still)
Wow I can't believe Theo likes to play priest unsubscribed
for paladin no painter's virtue really?
it's not even close
That’s just recency bias man. It’s a good card, but Paladin has so much history that knocks that card off the list.
@@AzraelRuin not really
Please make the demon seed go away I beg
As a DH wild player, I play only highlander dh, I agree Questline is the best card, but Topple the Idol is soo good, it is the card that can beat big shamans, quest dh giants, libram paladin giants when they play cold feet. Now with ceaseless back it can deal 100 damage. Id say its the 2nd best
💀💀💀bro cmon
@AzraelRuin i have like 1500 wins with highlander dh in wild, alot of wild decks is mana cheating and thats why 4 mana board clear is very good now, can also otk aggro priest if he play 1 mana 2/4 pirate lol
So cruel....trashing Theo for content.... Do it more often
ahahahahaa they’re good friends
Chaman (i saw your choice but its as already an evidence for me, almost 12000 wins and never play copy net deck) so : Ara - shudderlock - devolution - surcharge spell with two 5/4 rush - for sure. Then : freeze elementaire (6 mana) / hagatha (4/3 minion) / heros (heal-taunt-blast-electricity) / spell for 7 mana (+2+3) / spell that transform board in murlocs. Golganeth is inferior in comparison same for evolution and frog.
Surcharge Quest can be mentioned but it will be always weaker than batlecry quest. The new spell card that gives 3 copy of a spell is also a card that could be on the same level at the top 5.
my arch nemesis strikes again there will be repercussion
Amanthul should maybe only remove one minion, two is a tad too good
Probably, but it’s rotating and never going to be nerfed
I just uninstalled hs, hihihi.. bugs and rng fiesta 🤣
Why is this 20 min lomg
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Hunter best card is unleash the hounds...😆
😂😂😂😂