Shock Therapy LIVE: Wheels & Tires (4/15/20)
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I have learned so much from this series I feel guilty not having paid tuition
Good idea. Pay Per View coming soon! lol
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Your scrub article back in the day is the reason why I have never had the issues my buddies with 4/3
offsets have had.
I tell ya, Justin knows his stuff man! Always learning something from Shock Therapy! Love it!
You guys are awesome. Prime example of "follow your passion, give it 100% and success will come".
jake barnier thank you 🤘
And this is why Shock Therapy is a premium company to go with. Great video, so informative. 👍🏼
Right on!
That was the best wheel offset description and demonstration I’ve seen and heard! I always believed that stock setup on machines was best! Thank you guys!! Huge help!!
I liked the normal Justin install videos, but this was real informative and legit guys. Much appreciated 🤘
Any time
Great information here! Great attitude. Love the shop! Can’t wait to get my new springs!!!
Great video! Super informative, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and give a car owner a better understanding of the mechanics of the front suspension.
Glad to help
Thank you for this information. You guys deliver real value to the industry with this.
Wow!! Good stuff. Definitely not a waste of your valuable time. Probably going to lead to many more opportunities to help people get their cars straightened out. Thx.
Excellent! I have been studying up on this stuff and you made it easy!!! Thank you!!
Love seeing the faro arm in the background, not messing around.. thanks for all the info you guys are putting out there
maybe we should do a live feed using the Faro. Never know, scan funny stuff. LOL
It amazes me how many ppl don’t know this stuff already. Also surprised how many ppl say don’t alter it from factory lol. There are always trade offs to modifications, further offset wheels will do exactly what you’re saying but it’s usually not very noticeable if at all driving a sxs and the extra offset can help the larger tires clear as well as making them a little more stable when off camber. Also tons of krx guys running 4/3 offsets with no negative steering effects and no noticeable premature parts wear so far.
Love the videos talk about a wealth of knowledge one thing you didnt talk about was wheel width, I’m curious to what your thoughts are on that? Most wheels seem to be 7 inch wide but there are a few that are 6
I’m seeing more and more guys running 35s on the newer Polaris Pro R.. seems like the clutching can handle it, but do you feel this is too large of a tire with a 5+2 offset?
35s on a 5/2 is a great combo on a pro R. All the parts are strong enough and clutching is fine. I have 4500 miles on my pro R. Almost all of it fast pre running in Baja and with 35s.
Thanks for the reply. Outstanding information on your videos with detail I can’t find anywhere else. You’ve definitely made a believer out of me and sold me on your products.
By the way, I love that you overexplain stuff lol Feels like you do it in a way that doesn’t overcomplicate the explanation and I really appreciate all your videos!
@@ericfischer2852Eric. Thank you very much for your thoughts. Really appreciate it 👍🏼
Excellent description to scrub and offset Justin. I've really been enjoying your live feeds, they've been very informative. Wished you had a little more love for the YXZ, I got two that need.... well you know, basically everything. Keep up the live feeds and good luck this season, if/when things get normal again. #nochase
Good video, also keeping the stock offset protects brake components.
Thank you so much, I have been looking at wheels and this is what I needed. I have a 2014 xp4 1000 and was looking at a 5+2 but think I might suck that wheel back in more. Appreciate it!
Hey... I see the sport! Kinda stands out all bright and yellow. ha ha. I am so sorry about the mud in the cab. Last ride it was poring down rain. I took it to the drive in cleaner, but didn't spray off the inside.
Thank you very much for making these. I have learned so much.
Great stuff guys.. the science👌
Thank you very much
Great video and tons of great info. The camera guy cannot really be heard, so maybe consider a lapel mic for him as well. Thanks guys!
really digging all the info vids! How critical is the tire profile round vs flat for trail riding in the NE and Quebec? Looking at the Max Rampage, but the profile is pretty flat...thoughts? Driving an X3 Turbo R, stock, Eibach spring kit
I've seen a few of this guys videos. he does a really good job of breaking it down for us dumb ass's. thanks for your thorough explanation and great videos. SUBSCRIBED AND LIKED!!
Thank you sir!
Wow 😯 wow
Thanks 🙏 for the lesson:)
What about with Portals? What kind wheel to get?
These videos are so helpful! Thanks
I’m going to have to watch this again to soak it all in.
Thxs for the wheel info. You probably kept me from making an expensive mistake.
Gotta love this stuff! Thanks so much for the informative content.
Justin says its a 4/1 method 401r. But they only list 2.5/2.5 and 5/0. Is this a special wheel?
Hi guys. I am a very satisfied customer of your gold therapy service on my 2020 Honda Talon 1000x4 with Fox Live Valve. I like the extra hight I get from running 32 in tires. Unfortunately, after watching this video, I now know why the steering gets ripped out of my hands sometimes. Is there a 32 inch tire and rim combination for the Talon that will achieve a 5/1 scrub or a tire and rim offset that reduces the scrub with 32 in tires?
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Round tires are probably fine for the trail or desert. You certainly do not want a round tread profile when rock crawling.
Hey guys, on a 2022 cfmoto zforce 950 sport running 32s what would you recommend wheel offset to have the best possible ride, I ride mostly trail and light hill climbs. Thank you so much for what you guys do for us.
the views on these videos are not reflective of the quality. there is so much good info in these! thanks!!! you’re making me want to pull money out of my turbo s fund and blow it on 800s parts with all you’ve taught me 😂
What sand tire & wheel set up do you recommend for the Polaris Pro R 2 seater fully stock for a good dune set up?
Do these recommendations for wheel offset/scrub issues also apply to lighter/smaller ATVs?
Very awesome content guys I watch all of your videos!!
Loving the content guys! Just sent a friend over to ya for for shocks on an older RZR
Just changed wheels on polaris General, seriously difficult to find suppliers with 5/2 or 6/1 wheels. What's the deal with these guys, catering to the deep dish cool guys. Ended up with a plus 30mm offset, took some looking thou. Thanks for the info.
Great info, you guys rock!
I understand wheel offset but why do you prefer such a narrow (5 or 6 inch wide) wheel?
two reasons. One, you can't fit more than 5- 6 inches of wheel inside the hub and 1 to 2" is the max outside the hub if you want the scrub radius correct. Second, if you can pinch the tire in on the wheel, like our race car uses a Method 401R which is a 5" wide wheel, you will crown the tread a bit and gain some bulge in the sidewall. This drives best and the sidewall protects the wheel in off road racing from the rocks a lot better than a straight and vertical style sidewall.
Your video are Fantastic! I really enjoy them! Thank You!
Very informative Justin. Thanks.
Would it be detrimental to us 2"wheel spacers and 4/3 off set wheel on xp pro in the dunes. thank so very much I have learned a great deal thanks again.
That would be horrible! Wheel spacers are the same thing as bad offset. So not only do you have a 4/3 that is bad but you would also make it 2" worse with the wheel spacer. Please don't do that.
@@ShockTherapyllc thanks so much it won't happen now thanks again.
Great video! Thanks a lot!
On a 2019 X3 XRS what width wheel do you guys recommend for 32" tires (Tensor DS)?
Which wheel and tire would advice for tough off-roading in mud, for play car and jumping in hard surfaces in mountains? I found XTR 370 by system3offroad for tires and 405 UTV by Method and 401-R UTV for wheels. I have Can am Maverick X3 XRS 2021 model.
I'm running a set of System3 SB-4 14x7 - 6+1(+45mm) wheel. Should I have any issues with this setup on my 2019 Polaris XP4 1000?
Will I be ok with system 3 B5 15 x 7. 5+2 and 33" kanati terra master for a turbo s. Also terra master is 3lbs less and the wheel is close to 15 lbs compared to stock 20 lbs
Can Am Maverick Sport Max owner. Can I get away with a 4/3 offset on that machine? Stock it’s a 60in machine.
I couldn’t watch live. I may have missed it, but what is the recommendation for offset for a RZR 900s? I think you said 12-16psi for play. Would that be ok for light rock crawling also. I don’t get to crazy. I generally ride wood trails with some rocky areas.
If 5+1 is good is 5+0 offset better i just saw the method 401-R and it has a 5+0offset. I'm looking for a krx1000. Thank you.
Good information... love it, keep it
Coming thanks!
What’s the best off set for 2020 YXZ?
Will a 4+3 still make a detrimental handling difference on a slower machine like the kawasaki mule pro's ?
I love your video's. What is your thought on wheels for the General XP 4 with 32" tires? Stay with the 6+1? Or since the tire is 2" big than stock would a 5+2 be the better choice?
5/2 is a good one for the general
I have a 2020 Honda Talon 1000X-4 And I want to make it wider what if I do a 5x2 offset with a wheel spacer? I want to get as close to 72” wide as I can. Thank you for any feed back.
Gilbert Arizona Here.
Hey guys thanks for the video, I have a 21 can am RR DS and I’m trying to run 32’s ITP terra hooks.
Due to my 64” machine I’m struggling to fit past the rear trailing arms. Will 4/3 really be that bad on my max?
They are really bad in the front. The rear does not matter. Maybe run 5/2 and a 1" spacer in the rear. I hate spacers but the geometry does not matter in the back.
When are you guys coming out with a complete long travel kit for RZR xp4 1000?
We are never going to build our own long travel kit because we tune for all the long travel kit companies.
Why are steel wheels not more prominent for UTV's? Does aluminum fail or have issues that wouldn't be an issue with steel?
Weight.
As far as a 14” or 15” wheel is there any advantages or disadvantages for a sxs or is it preference.
15s all the way. Gets clearance to the caliper so rocks don't get caught in there and blow up the wheel. Also, 14's are just too much sidewall movement when you get into a 30 or 32" tire.
Any recommendations for a can am maverick max offset?
Preferably for sand
I have a 2018 x3 max base model 120hp with stock 28" tires. can I run 32" tires with a 4/1 or 5/2 offset rim? and if so will I need to do clutching?
Do you know what the factory offset (6+1?)for the wheels on a 2022 can am x3 xrs turbo rr smart shocks? I wish the factory included this is their spec sheets. Thanks. You guys are awesome! Even without Chase anymore... Lol.
Thank you. They are 6/1
What is the best off set for a Pro Xp 2020?
Love your content! So essentially 5+0 or 5+2 recommended offset for Can-am Maverick x3 xrs?
yes sir
@@ShockTherapyllc thanks for your response. 😁
with that method wheel on the talon do you run a rear spacer since there a 5-0 or 4-1 offset?
What about the rzr 1000s? I’m having a hard time finding any offset info for the s models. Would that be a 4/3 like the 900? Or a 5/2 like the xp1000?
Why am I not able to buy front and rear sway bars for my pro XP
Does the type of suspension, design, or suspension geometry make a difference when choosing wheel size/offset? I have a 2019 Wildcat XX with unequal length front control arms and, as you know, the rack is placed in front instead of behind. What offset would be best if running 32” tires and 15” wheels with stock rack? (Going to billet rack as soon as stock rack goes out) GREAT informative and entertaining videos and still love the “bloopers”!! Ha I’m an old mechanic/fabricator and I’m still learning things!
yes, geometry dictates all of this. Your XX geometry requires a 4/1 or 5/2 offset to work correctly with 32" tires. We have one as well and we run a 4/1 Method 401R. Glad we could help.
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Thank you!!
You guys ROCK!!! Thanks for the quick reply too! Please keep up the great vids!
I just picked up a 2017 rzr xp4 and changing to your spring kit for the bolt on parts it has,have the walker shocks. What would be the best size tire wheel offset combo for mostly dirt roads, some pavement and rocky trails. willing to put some money towards supporting up to 32 inch if needed.i was thinking the toyo sxs open country or tensor. thank you very much for your videos, Justin
For structural reasons a 30” is easiest on parts and power. But the 32 is best for ride quality. Personally I upgrade the parts and run a 32 with a 4/1, 5/1 or 5/2 offset.
35/12.5/15 3.5/3.5 strictly for crawling and deep snow wheeling. What's you guy's 2 cents. I know these are wild numbers. I got 2 other sets of wheels for high speed.
2021 can am xrc rr with shock therapy bsd
Question about the +0mm and +10 mm offsets offered by some wheel and tire dealers, what do these equate to, 6+1, 5+1, 4+1, 5+2, etc,. Thanks in advance.
A 0 mm offset wheel is a centered wheel. The wheel center has equal widths on the outside of it as it does inside. 4/4, 5/5. Really bad. You need a positive offset wheel. This means more wheel is inside (towards the UTV) than outside (away from the UTV) of the wheel center. 4/1, 5/1, 6/1. The first number is inches inside the wheel, second number is inches outside the center. Hope that helps.
Awesome information. I will definitely be getting some work done with you guys. Couple quick questions, if I go with the same offset and tire size all the way around do you recommend a 1” spacer in the back of a RZR turbo? Also I can only find the Method 401R that say 5-0 offset. I think that is the 4-1 you were showing. Ok to stick with a 30” or do you recommend going to the 32s. I do have a clutch kit. Thanks
Trav City you don’t need a spacer in the back. There are no negative affects to running same wheel and tire all the way around. I would run a 32. The 30 is nice but the added ground clearance is a big help with the 32.
Question of wheel/tire weight and what it does with shock/spring tuning. I've got a '16 2 seat XP1K with your dual rate spring kit with factory shock valving. Everything worked well for my riding style. I recently switched from the factory wheels and tires and went with Method 409's with GBC Terramasters with a total weight of 51.6lbs. After doing so, it seems like the front suspension is bottoming more, if I adjust the clicker until it stops the ride is very harsh, now this is only when I'm pushing the car hard. I'm wondering if I add a little more front spring preload and reduce the clicker will this help ?
c warner so wheel and tire won’t affect compression. Only rebound. If it bottoms more them more than likely the inside of the shock has changes. Internal seal or valving failure. This is common with stock internals. Just do the RIS or shock mods and everything we ride amazing with that wheel and tire combo
What would be the perfect offset for a 2013 can am commander 800 r? I would like to run 38/10/14 tires
What do you think about the Method 401-r low offset? It’s got a 0mm offset but also a super skinny wheel (5”). So it ends up being a 2.5/2.5 offset. Will that be as bad, or better, or worse than a 4/3 offset?
Center offset is really bad. 4/3 is similar but not as bad. 401R is bad ass.
Recommended offset and tire size on a 19 maverick sport 1000r?
Great info...Thanks
What beadlock wheel should I run with my 2021 rzr turbo s to run my stock tires 32 x10 r15
What wheels are you running on your Honda talon 1000r ?
Charles Ouimette Method 401R.
Please keep doing technical videos
I’m just a trail guy with a 2019 yamaha wolverine X2. The springs are coil bound at the top, I already have the pre load to the max. Looking for a spring kit but don’t like the big spacers on the kit that’s currently available. Are there any options?
David Sherk sorry but we don’t have a kit for that Utv yet. Working on it
I have a 2021 rzr pro xp we are in Florida and ride dirt n mud trails. Wanting to move up to 32's they have 16 n 18 inch wheel option. What do you recommend for the wheel size n offset for my rzr pro xp. We want it to handle close to stock.
16" would be best to save the wheel from damage. 18" might look cool tho. LOL. With a 32 I would run a 6/1, 5/1, 4/1 or at the most a 5/2. 5/3, 4/3 or 4/4 are all really bad. Hope that helps.
Wish this video was out before I bought a 4+3 off set wheel on my can am x3 XDS. wheel feedback is very noticeable, any suggestions to help ?
Nathan Ellwood sell those wheels and buy some 4/1 or 5/2 offset.
Thinking about buying a set of 4/3s with 29 inch terabytes on them for my rzr900s 2017 I think you said 4/3s are doable on 900. Your thoughts please
On a 900 5/2 or 4/3 are good
Thank you. Keep me for making a mistake on a wheel purchase!
Would I be ok with a 5 + 2 offset on a 2019 can am defender xmr? I'm looking to go up to a 32" all terrain from the stock 30" mud tires. Thanks for the great videos!
yes sir you will be fine with that
Recommended wheels and tires for XP pro? Like to do 32” tires... Thanks. Awesome vids!!!
Methods in a 4/1 or 5/2, never a 4/3. Tensor 32 or 33
I do know this video is about a year old but my question is I have a 2022 Maverick Trail 1000R DPS. What if I go to 27 x 9 x 12 with a 5 x 2 offset. +2 inch spacers all the way around. Or go without the spacers.
2” spacer is a no go. 5/2 is good to go
Why dont wheel manufactures make their wheels in the same offsets for the cars they support? for example I was told a factory turbo s wheel is 6+1 but the closest you can find is typically a 5+2. Is it just to reduce SKUs?
amazing question! We have posed this same one to them. Their answer is that people, customers, the market does not like the flat outer face look. Everyone likes the deep dish look. So they fight the fact that the market wants dish but facts support correct. Spread the word. Hopefully it changes.
Would a 38mm offset on a 6 in KMC toro forged wheel be ok on my 2022 Pro R ultimate with 33 DS tensors?
Absolutely
What’s the best off set for a 2020 xp turbo with 32” tires?
Looks like I just wasted money getting method 406 beadlocks with 4+4. Looks badass but I guess that’s not a good offset. Maybe switch those over to paddles and get the new 411 for the dirt
Justin Galvan we definitely don’t recommend that offset
Does a can am x3 need a different offset wheel (from 6+1) when going to 33” tires? Does it need 5+2s?
No. 33s fit. 6/1, 5/1 and 4/1
@@ShockTherapyllc awesome. Thanks!
Can adjustable camber help lessen the scrub radius measurement?
No. Camber changes don’t affect scrub
@@ShockTherapyllc Great, thank you for the reply!
In your opinion and knowledge For a Polaris xp pro 4 is better tu run 4/3 or 5/2?
5/2 all day
Ok thank you, I txt you guys before I saw the video now that I’m watching is a lot of good information, thanks for the video 👍🏼
Great vid!!! Very informative
Awesome stuff.
If I am JUST doing rear wheels and tires (not front) for sand/dune tires, is a 4/3 offset ok?
Yup. Your good