@@letho8323 the thing just is that he debates about things that doesn't matter or help Their situation as a gang. He talks but doesn't listen even when it's totally reasonable and he should be with more give and take attitude. Like "winning" the conversation doesn't really help if they just loses in it because he needs the feel to win somekinda debate. It's kinda the same thing where he couldn't even with Cg awknowledge the hiarchy and Mdm's place in it, was debating even tiniest things so it would sound they were correct in everything when in reality all they won in that was for no reason to lose possibilities it brings having Cg on your good side rather than cut ties because of just basically needing to win the debate (it wasn't anything super out of control stuff given the war for example was pretty sbs). Being ic mad that he wasn't heard in the war negotiations about the campaigning idea even tho they lost, losing means you are just not in control of the negotiations and Cg let them off in it Extremely easy. I think his hardhead attitude just hurts the gang in the long run because they haven't grown to a place where Tommy can only press when he talks these convos and it creates things that are unneccesary for Mdm, because if he would be so good at speaking he would also know when to give and not only try to take/win in a convo.
@@aleksisuuronen5969 ngl mdm and tommy early connection with cg ruined the gang imo , if he grew his gang without anyones help mdm would have been a very different rn also i belive tommy t character matches with speedy a little becaue speedy is known for his snake talking skill even k had said many times that nobody can speak like speedy. the difference is speedy is ruthless and unhinged when time comes unlike tommy
Tommy T been using that Plausible Deniability card way to much that Benji just called him out for that. He been playing that position where he doesn't know what his boys do while he's away and doesn't take the position to take responsibility.
He does that A Lot. What I know he isn't wake a lot and then he comes in and when there are these kinds convos he just says well I cannot say anything I wasn't there, I don't know what truly happened. To be honest it's pretty bs and boring cop out since if you beleave your boys in certain things you should know what happened or create some compromises with what the otherside beleaves. It all just creates a vibe of why are you the leader to other gangs if he doesn't ever know anything and talks like just almost like trying to win a debate that doesn't really get mdm closer to any goal they might have. Many times it just adds more pressure that mdm doesn't need or can account for.
@@netherdrake436 I mean he actually didn't know about it in character, what you want him to do? Meta? Lol Seriously though it's just unfortunate that these kinds of meetings always happen before he talks to his boys
Wait does MDM not know how the sprays work? Like do they know after all the sprays are wiped their flag can be taken down and then via the gang app they will no longer be a whitelist gang and will lose access to some crim stuff?
I heavily doubt that you can lose the flag lmao, you probably have to move it via dev power but the whole update was based on conflict and by wiping a gang off the map is on another level
Tommy need to do some political moves besides trying to strong arm every thing. If he was able to separate himself from the ego ( pure character ego even ZERKA has said multiple times Tommy the character is a very bold egotistical at times leader.) and do some damage control he can come to deal where maybe even he gets a spray from SS in an area they feel ok with giving up who knows. Then again he doesn't know IC that Hydra plans to push them hard sooner or later so if he submitted some sprays created a treaty rebuild regroup it would do great dividends for them in the long run.
He’s barely been around for the war and the only shootout he was in they clapped seaside and then removed a spray, he can’t control what the boys do when they aren’t awake so now he’s put Adam in charge who has similar war ideas as Tommy
@@phill.adam...555 its because when all the MDM are awake in NA there are like 3-4 SS to fight and they all go to sleep pretty quick. EU time around 4 MDM are awake and SS is at full strength so MDM is in this war with a full disadvantage
@@phill.adam...555 NBC is at the point of disintegrating as they have no businesses and Guy who is the leader doesn't have job prio on the app so none of them can make money. So Guy has talked to Tommy and Adam about a potential merger between NBC and MDM
damnnnnn. mdm really need to get a second in command tho. way overdue and it’s biting them in the ass here. hopefully tommy can rally the troops and get them to focus. benji is snaking him hard. playing like he doesn’t already have an alliance with hydra and is planning on serving the mdm to them with those sprays by the blue cage.
@@sarcasticdragon8673 not rly that far from the truth but i'd say its closer with delusional cb viewers not even close to x's fanatics. the assumptions, the broken telephone and the plays on words dont gain anything for the mandem, it will only put mandem down. it has pissed off so many people.
He is not delusional he just won’t give them the spray so SS are forced to fight Hydra. Not everything is ego guys because if he had an ego no one would actually like him OOC. Plus he said on the call that Benji is right he is just waiting for Hydra to push up more.
Im pretty sure Benji will give up sprays to avoid war with Hydra if they want them. He knows how that is going to end. Its either give up a couple of sprays or Hydra will just take it and more. This is Benji’s play to replace the ones that are going to be lost to Hydra.
@@belledelphinelover4986 seaside had the chance to kill mandem and then wipe a mandem spray but mandem won and then removed a spray, what seaside did was call to see if Tommy was awake, found out there were only 4 awake and Adam was going to sleep so they instantly went to wipe a spray and obviously mandem couldn’t do anything. The mandem wiping the seaside spray was fair, seaside wiping the first mandem spray wasn’t and they also rdm'd ved
SS Wiped most of the sprays in EU times when pretty much no MDM are awake to actively put up a good defense, the only one they managed to wipe in NA hours was when there were only 4 of them and Adam was about to go to bed which would have made it 3, but SS rushed to wipe a spray before he could. As far as I'm aware they've never been able to wipe a spray when MDM we're actually about, only snaking them when nobody was awake
@@belledelphinelover4986 Because SS do it when practically nobody is even awake in the first place. MDM did theirs right after a shootout with SS where they managed to down two and get out while the rest of SS got caught and went to jail. They actually did something that made it so that SS weren't around vs just snaking one when they know 4 are awake or rushing to do one when they know the 4th is about to go to sleep and make it 3
Simplest way I can put it is, Tommy T is known for racing and music. MDM members aren't known or respected, because they do stupid shit while Tommy is away. Everybody knows MDM isn't a gang for war, I would argue they are the weakest gang in the city. If they bring in another gang for war, they get no credit for that. It makes them look scared of SS and then they continue getting no respect. Where on the other hand, every gang in the city may not like him, but everyone knows and respects Benji Ramos. He is an OG. He doesn't call in back up when he knows he can't win a war, him and his crew fights until they can find a way to settle the war civilly. Exactly like he gave Tommy the option to do, because he knew if it was strictly SS vs MDM, SS is wiping everything and he doesn't wanna be responsible for ruining someone else's RP.
Tommy should be doing whatever he can do to stop a war they haven't won a fight in and are losing sprays basically nvl at this point and how do people say he's good at arguing he's talking over him saying dumb childish shit , didn't ask , clown down. what a werido
I've seen you crying everywhere so lemme clarify something. SS has only wiped 1 spray in NA while the rest were in EU when MDM has max 5 around(Not even a full squad to fight). When MDM has all of them awake SS has around 4-5 members max and in the 1 fight they had day b4 yesterday MDM wiped 2 sprays right after which all SS went to sleep. If you use your brain you will know that MDM has people in just 1 Tsunami and not in 2/3 like SS to defend and attack at all times
I think at a place of business gang shit isn't supposed to matter lol, you do stupid shit on business property as the owner, you lose the business. Ray was taking advantage of that, Ash did the smartest thing possible.
@@ashuri599 there's also the fact that Seaside have the beach pass item in their pockets which is their equivalent to a chain, it's what they have to say they're in seaside.. rust robbed the beach passes
@@dylanbishop4175 looool so clueless.. you think the beach passes are equal to chains? half the city have those passes they give them away for 1k and were made as a fun thing nothing serious. and btw ss took the chain as a retaliation for messing with Ash and uwu.. it wasn't of of the blue
You know your gang is dead when you need to get other gangs to give you there man power and support ect just take the L, Call a truce and build your set up hella strong and then absolutely destroy them in the future...
Going to stop watching gta rp soon me which is sad but it’s just pissing me off more and more (like how they talked about adding Mdm members just because of this war and also saying all this shit in front of a hangaround) 🤦♂️ plus now all the best rpers are starting to leave the server anyway
oh no marie overheard a war talk she totally gonna snitch on mdm and put her job at gas station, mdm records, jiggity studios, pawnhub and lexi coffe business at risk.
@@robotfritz9294 no they haven't one of them times patar got shot down while wiping so he should of canceled it but didn't know how to , and they haven't actually won a fight like wiped 6 they count not getting smoked as winning is silly
That’s tommys character, it’s the same in the cg war when he would grow a massive ego ic but kept getting clapped and still had it. He’s just a character that has always had that type of ego
It’s content guys common. Everyone has their egos. Everyone has something to prove.
First time seeing this energy from tommy in any war situation. Good
@@letho8323 the thing just is that he debates about things that doesn't matter or help Their situation as a gang. He talks but doesn't listen even when it's totally reasonable and he should be with more give and take attitude. Like "winning" the conversation doesn't really help if they just loses in it because he needs the feel to win somekinda debate. It's kinda the same thing where he couldn't even with Cg awknowledge the hiarchy and Mdm's place in it, was debating even tiniest things so it would sound they were correct in everything when in reality all they won in that was for no reason to lose possibilities it brings having Cg on your good side rather than cut ties because of just basically needing to win the debate (it wasn't anything super out of control stuff given the war for example was pretty sbs). Being ic mad that he wasn't heard in the war negotiations about the campaigning idea even tho they lost, losing means you are just not in control of the negotiations and Cg let them off in it Extremely easy. I think his hardhead attitude just hurts the gang in the long run because they haven't grown to a place where Tommy can only press when he talks these convos and it creates things that are unneccesary for Mdm, because if he would be so good at speaking he would also know when to give and not only try to take/win in a convo.
@@aleksisuuronen5969 ngl mdm and tommy early connection with cg ruined the gang imo , if he grew his gang without anyones help mdm would have been a very different rn also i belive tommy t character matches with speedy a little becaue speedy is known for his snake talking skill even k had said many times that nobody can speak like speedy. the difference is speedy is ruthless and unhinged when time comes unlike tommy
this is the type of energy we needed two days ago
Tommy T been using that Plausible Deniability card way to much that Benji just called him out for that.
He been playing that position where he doesn't know what his boys do while he's away and doesn't take the position to take responsibility.
He does that A Lot. What I know he isn't wake a lot and then he comes in and when there are these kinds convos he just says well I cannot say anything I wasn't there, I don't know what truly happened. To be honest it's pretty bs and boring cop out since if you beleave your boys in certain things you should know what happened or create some compromises with what the otherside beleaves. It all just creates a vibe of why are you the leader to other gangs if he doesn't ever know anything and talks like just almost like trying to win a debate that doesn't really get mdm closer to any goal they might have. Many times it just adds more pressure that mdm doesn't need or can account for.
He did the same with CG as well. Not taking responsibility for his gang members actions.
@@netherdrake436 I mean he actually didn't know about it in character, what you want him to do? Meta? Lol
Seriously though it's just unfortunate that these kinds of meetings always happen before he talks to his boys
Wait does MDM not know how the sprays work? Like do they know after all the sprays are wiped their flag can be taken down and then via the gang app they will no longer be a whitelist gang and will lose access to some crim stuff?
pretty sure flags cant be taken lol, even if all their sprays are gone
@@myunghoodie They can be it’s like capture the flag
@@Mehh07 did a dev/koil talk about this or has a gang already been wiped? Curious to know
@@Mehh07 since when? when Pez visited Rust this past week he said he couldnt interact with the flag and they had no sprays up
I heavily doubt that you can lose the flag lmao, you probably have to move it via dev power but the whole update was based on conflict and by wiping a gang off the map is on another level
Tommy need to do some political moves besides trying to strong arm every thing. If he was able to separate himself from the ego ( pure character ego even ZERKA has said multiple times Tommy the character is a very bold egotistical at times leader.) and do some damage control he can come to deal where maybe even he gets a spray from SS in an area they feel ok with giving up who knows. Then again he doesn't know IC that Hydra plans to push them hard sooner or later so if he submitted some sprays created a treaty rebuild regroup it would do great dividends for them in the long run.
He’s barely been around for the war and the only shootout he was in they clapped seaside and then removed a spray, he can’t control what the boys do when they aren’t awake so now he’s put Adam in charge who has similar war ideas as Tommy
There needs to be a sec in command for MDM
Adam basically is now, he’s in charge when Tommy isn’t awake
I’m ngl tommy needs to drop this war they have almost no turf left
why mdm acting like they can wipe ss lol its been 2 days and i dont think mdm has wiped ss
Seaside are really not destroying them like you think when mandem are weaker in the earlier storm and are mostly losing sprays that storm
@@BloodyBison27 mandem haven't won a fight though
@@BloodyBison27 Not destroying, but still winning, easily, MDM's biggest win was a grenade at Uwu
@@phill.adam...555 its because when all the MDM are awake in NA there are like 3-4 SS to fight and they all go to sleep pretty quick. EU time around 4 MDM are awake and SS is at full strength so MDM is in this war with a full disadvantage
Am still confused, why Tommy doesn't want to merge with NBC? They are their last hope
Cause thats pussy shit
Why would nbc want to merge though?
@@phill.adam...555 NBC is at the point of disintegrating as they have no businesses and Guy who is the leader doesn't have job prio on the app so none of them can make money. So Guy has talked to Tommy and Adam about a potential merger between NBC and MDM
damnnnnn. mdm really need to get a second in command tho. way overdue and it’s biting them in the ass here. hopefully tommy can rally the troops and get them to focus. benji is snaking him hard. playing like he doesn’t already have an alliance with hydra and is planning on serving the mdm to them with those sprays by the blue cage.
starting to sound like xqc's community LOL.
You do realize hydra will Fuck over seaside right, they have a alliance now while it's convenient for hydra
@@Syn741 good comment LUL
They’ll never have a second in command. No one in the gang is loyal to anyone other than being loyal to Tommy.
@@sarcasticdragon8673 not rly that far from the truth but i'd say its closer with delusional cb viewers not even close to x's fanatics. the assumptions, the broken telephone and the plays on words dont gain anything for the mandem, it will only put mandem down. it has pissed off so many people.
He is not delusional he just won’t give them the spray so SS are forced to fight Hydra. Not everything is ego guys because if he had an ego no one would actually like him OOC. Plus he said on the call that Benji is right he is just waiting for Hydra to push up more.
Im pretty sure Benji will give up sprays to avoid war with Hydra if they want them. He knows how that is going to end. Its either give up a couple of sprays or Hydra will just take it and more. This is Benji’s play to replace the ones that are going to be lost to Hydra.
But hydra and seaside had a meeting about splitting the turf with hydra
@@MagicCityBuckets they want 4 of his sprays and that will only make him lose his bay city line and his entrance to the city.
@@xRASSAMx Does he have an option? If he doesn’t give them up, they’ll be taken and more.
@@belledelphinelover4986 Hydra also talked about not hand holding anymore.
whats witht the whole 3 people awake thing when 4 have to be awake to get wiped?
Idk MDM viewers getting all pressed about it when MDM them selfs wiped 1 SS spray while most were in the jail
@@belledelphinelover4986 seaside had the chance to kill mandem and then wipe a mandem spray but mandem won and then removed a spray, what seaside did was call to see if Tommy was awake, found out there were only 4 awake and Adam was going to sleep so they instantly went to wipe a spray and obviously mandem couldn’t do anything. The mandem wiping the seaside spray was fair, seaside wiping the first mandem spray wasn’t and they also rdm'd ved
SS Wiped most of the sprays in EU times when pretty much no MDM are awake to actively put up a good defense, the only one they managed to wipe in NA hours was when there were only 4 of them and Adam was about to go to bed which would have made it 3, but SS rushed to wipe a spray before he could. As far as I'm aware they've never been able to wipe a spray when MDM we're actually about, only snaking them when nobody was awake
@@belledelphinelover4986 Because SS do it when practically nobody is even awake in the first place. MDM did theirs right after a shootout with SS where they managed to down two and get out while the rest of SS got caught and went to jail. They actually did something that made it so that SS weren't around vs just snaking one when they know 4 are awake or rushing to do one when they know the 4th is about to go to sleep and make it 3
Mdm ganna be the first gang to get all their sprays wiped
6:44 Damn thats the first time ive seen tommy not no what to stay and be shocked
it’s funny because lysium was literally a teacher a year ago.
I think my man is in sbs mode and not realising the consequences lmao
Simplest way I can put it is, Tommy T is known for racing and music. MDM members aren't known or respected, because they do stupid shit while Tommy is away. Everybody knows MDM isn't a gang for war, I would argue they are the weakest gang in the city. If they bring in another gang for war, they get no credit for that. It makes them look scared of SS and then they continue getting no respect. Where on the other hand, every gang in the city may not like him, but everyone knows and respects Benji Ramos. He is an OG. He doesn't call in back up when he knows he can't win a war, him and his crew fights until they can find a way to settle the war civilly. Exactly like he gave Tommy the option to do, because he knew if it was strictly SS vs MDM, SS is wiping everything and he doesn't wanna be responsible for ruining someone else's RP.
Tommy should be doing whatever he can do to stop a war they haven't won a fight in and are losing sprays basically nvl at this point and how do people say he's good at arguing he's talking over him saying dumb childish shit , didn't ask , clown down. what a werido
I've seen you crying everywhere so lemme clarify something.
SS has only wiped 1 spray in NA while the rest were in EU when MDM has max 5 around(Not even a full squad to fight).
When MDM has all of them awake SS has around 4-5 members max and in the 1 fight they had day b4 yesterday MDM wiped 2 sprays right after which all SS went to sleep. If you use your brain you will know that MDM has people in just 1 Tsunami and not in 2/3 like SS to defend and attack at all times
Benji: "because if I had any snitches id fukkin kill dem..."
Smashcut to Ash's discussion with Ray.
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I think at a place of business gang shit isn't supposed to matter lol, you do stupid shit on business property as the owner, you lose the business. Ray was taking advantage of that, Ash did the smartest thing possible.
Zeros don’t know about partar
I don't know what happened in the phone call Benji is talking about. But that sounds like Patar 100% if it is true.
Lmfaoo I love how Tommy lowkey diss banji with the chain stuff just like how benji complained about rust not having sprays lol
Seaside have their beach passes which is their equivalent to the chains
difference is, chains aren't stashed so they can get it back if they clap seaside, meanwhile every WL spray is 250k each
@@ashuri599 there's also the fact that Seaside have the beach pass item in their pockets which is their equivalent to a chain, it's what they have to say they're in seaside.. rust robbed the beach passes
they were going to leave the chain but the mandem were shooting civs and attacking uwu
@@dylanbishop4175 looool so clueless.. you think the beach passes are equal to chains? half the city have those passes they give them away for 1k and were made as a fun thing nothing serious. and btw ss took the chain as a retaliation for messing with Ash and uwu.. it wasn't of of the blue
As In. As in. Seaside let mandem off. Seaside could have rolled mdm at this point.
Nopixel at this moment = clout>rp
You know your gang is dead when you need to get other gangs to give you there man power and support ect just take the L, Call a truce and build your set up hella strong and then absolutely destroy them in the future...
You know your gangs down bad when GG is making smarter gang moves then you are.
the issue is mdm cant get hella strong cause they dont add any man.
@@Jake-nm1jz gg with marty is very differ gang than gg with x
MDM hand holding they shook😂
Going to stop watching gta rp soon me which is sad but it’s just pissing me off more and more (like how they talked about adding Mdm members just because of this war and also saying all this shit in front of a hangaround) 🤦♂️ plus now all the best rpers are starting to leave the server anyway
oh no marie overheard a war talk she totally gonna snitch on mdm and put her job at gas station, mdm records, jiggity studios, pawnhub and lexi coffe business at risk.
The only time SS been much stronger is in the earlier Tsunami when only 4 MDM boys been around they’ve done well so far when Adam etc are around
Mandem haven't won a fight what are you saying?
@@phill.adam...555 They have. The fact that they wiped 2 sprays proves that.
@@robotfritz9294 no they haven't one of them times patar got shot down while wiping so he should of canceled it but didn't know how to , and they haven't actually won a fight like wiped 6 they count not getting smoked as winning is silly
@@phill.adam...555 they have...
@@phill.adam...555 and seaside haven't won 6s.... they fight more in the eu tsunami when only 2 mdm are there
relaxx tommy need more RP relaxxx just watch ok
would be funny to watch IF ss grew their ego after taking mdm and hydra just wipe them afterwards
Very likely they are either moving on MDM Hydra or BBMC.. They won't push MDM while they are getting shit on or down bad.. That leaves BBMC and SS
Why is he so delusional???
Who and also how lmao
@@steviegreenthumb4720 Mandem are going to lose all their turf and he still doesn't wants to negotiate and wanna act tough???
idk tommy has always been that
That’s tommys character, it’s the same in the cg war when he would grow a massive ego ic but kept getting clapped and still had it. He’s just a character that has always had that type of ego
Ahk nah every gang leader hypes their own boys up good or bad man to others at least
All Wannabee"s used to Speak English in England .then /Stealth Jihad Takes over the Result is the Garbage Accent
Acting too tough boy.
Seaside fans be migrating big time...😂
“Acting too tough boy” bro you sound like a clown and probably look like a clown
@@Spectrum-Video these 5 fans moving mad haahahah josh could pay them to shag there mum if he wanted