I have one Bingo back in China to pick up kids from school and go to groceries every day. Only 1 charge per week and the charging expense is about $30 per month, think about that🤣. There is no chance I switch back to ICE cars, period.
I saw a video about a sibling of this car in May of 2021 when it became the best selling EV in China. It has over 1.2 million views in Spanish with English subtitles. I found that video much more informative than this one. That channel is called Jabiertzo. It's interesting that Kyle was much more positive when he did a review of the Kandi K27 that was sold in the US for less than $10K back in Nov 2020. That review also has over 1.2M views.
Not being able to go above 60 mph? You couldn't safely take it on most US highways. That and China is just trying to gain market share with these prices. Even so, in a true free market, this would force legacy automakers to inovate real quick. And it would go a long way towards EV adaption and reduced emissions. I'd say it's a wash
@@brettgoldsmith8584Have you heard of K cars? These are the electric versions of that. I have seen K cars 25+ years old running on US roads. Gas k cars cost similarly as well. Why don’t you blame Japan? There was no intention of selling these in America. Everybody knows it’s not a U.S. market car.
@@SM-bu4fw @SM-bu4fw People are afraid of them though. Biden slapped 100% tariffs on these things. Obviously they fear they will have some sort of negative impact on domestic sales.
Thankfully, industry lobbying protects us from being able to buy these. I gladly pay 60k plus for an EV, if I can be sure that puts a meal on the table for a starving domestic CEO.
Calling it domestic lobbying is disingenuous at best. China is massively subsidizing and dumping EVs into foreign markets. This type of economic warfare is standard for them, This is exactly what they do in the steel industry but with consumer goods instead.
You should do your research on Chinese EV's before praising them. They are known for causing many deaths because thry cut corners on safety. There is a reason why they are so cheap while appearing to looknas good as they do
Has nothing to do with CEO and everything to do with many US industries and workers. Every country does it to help manage and stabilize the local market.
@@otm646 What they're doing is putting money into a void of innovation to win a market that had massive growth potential. No other country had the balls to do it. What happened to the U.S. leading technology innovation? That could have been us years ago, but look at where we ended up instead.
@@AutoReport1 "Outside" China comes with shipping, export fees and tariffs applied by the other countries. Same reason GM makes cars in China instead of making them in Detroit and shipping them to China to sell there.
@davidmccarthy6061 people underestimate the costs involved. But it's also market related. China is oversaturated and many competitors sell at big losses. That means BYD and Wuling also need to slash prices even though their volumes are much better. Indonesia and the Philippines Wuling competes directly only with BYD, so they can both make better margins. And since GM doesn't yet sell the electric Wuling models in Latin America, BYD doesn't need to discount.
@directxxxx71 you crack me up. All Chinese EV makers have low cost supply chains, most of them lose tens of thousands per vehicle, acknowledged, and some have already failed. Vertical integration only helps if you have the volume to give cost savings, otherwise the outside supplier making 20× more volume has you beat on cost despite their margins. No matter how cheap this seems to be in China, it's still a minimum $20k in North America and Europe.
Americans cannot review a Chinese car without talking about the so-called government subsidy. Meanwhile, they are also spending a huge budget on subsidizing electric vehicles themselves. The fact is that every car maker can get this ‘government subsidy’ if they meet certain criteria, just like Tesla.
@@ashishpatel350 not true, they have the ability to make pretty much everythinng in house, nothing on this car needs to be imported from outside of China, meaning the cost to make one is indeed very very low, of course selling the car at this price doesn't guarantee plenty of profit, but they are def no losing money
The argument that these Chinese companies get unfair state subsidies is ridiculous. How many tens of billions did GM get in their last bailout? Rivian got $6.6bn just this month in "loans" that they likely won't need to pay back. Every time a new factory is built, the states compete in throwing billions at the automakers. That's not to mention the cushy military contracts the auto companies get on the side.
If development of EVs had continued after the EV1, the U.S. could have been the vehicle technology leader with a 2 decades head start. We practically handed this win to China on a silver platter. The fact it's subsidized doesn't matter. We could have done the same. We chose not to innovate.
It's not the same as what the communists do SMH. You know they use child labor and pay their workers dirt wages? They have no OSHA protecting workers. A couple years ago they found Apple workers living in bunk houses they couldn't leave. It's an ignorant comparison at best.
yep and for most people this is a perfectly usable vehicle if this goes nation wide available and doesnt get its price tripled by tarrifs i have a feeling that they'll have a really hard time keeping these in stock
This one is not for sale in my country, Brazil, but the Seagull is 18665 dollars in my country and there are no incentives here. The seagull is the best selling EV of 2024.
That's a cute little buggy. I appreciate seeing different colors and style cues. Love hearing Alyssa's opinion on things. it is nice to get a different use case perspective.
Cheapo cars like this one have their place. I can see where this car and others like them fit nicely in urban environments and for people looking for basic, affordable transportation.
My son is about to turn 15 and we will be needing to look for cheap transportation for him once he gets a learner's permit. This is exactly the kind of thing that would fit his needs even if the menu stays in its native language.
@@milohobo9186 You're thinking this is or can be street-legal for the U.S. It isn't, and will add $5K-10K to make it safe. As it is, this won't pass most of the required safety tests our govt requires. Would you give a car with minimal safety features to a teenager, knowing that age group gets into so many accidents? This probably doesn't even have crumple zones, which are critical to protect people inside.
It's interesting that Kyle was much more positive when he did a review of the Kandi K27 that was sold in the US for less than $10K back in Nov 2020. That review also has over 1.2M views.
A major reason these cars are so cheap is because they lack many all critical safety features required for cars sold in the U.S. That's why this can't be sold here, as is. It's illegal to drive on U.S. roads (unless you get a very special federal exemption). To sell it here they'll have to make it safe, which raises the price into the low $20K range. For a golf cart with doors & weak A/C.
no more Chinese government incentives to the public. factories maybe get some grants, but Wuling is already an established company. The supply chain is main reason as everything is made in china with so many brands ordering parts.
Wuling is mainly sold pretty well in tier 3 city and below. No one with higher income like in Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen using this car. The more income you have, the more expensive EV you buy, heck NIO even just release their new EV , NIO ET9 cost 818,000 Yuan or equal to 140,000 USD.
Are you sure? I recall seeing a couple blogger posting their car shopping experience a few years back where the sales person described buyers looking at these as second car for shopping and picking up or dropping off kids.
@@Hellomhk Didn't know what the Geely Panda was - looked it up and found it on the Inside China Auto channel with over 834K views. Thanks for mentioning it. The other channel I mentioned is Jabiertzo and their 2021 video on the Wuling Hongguan Mini has over 1.2M views, just like Kyle's review of the Kandi K27 back in 2020.
"50kW isn't that slow." When I drive my mother's Bolt EV, I rarely go over 60kW and the Bolt is a ~40% heavier car. Most EVs have ridiculously over-spec'd motors for normal driving.
Most cars need to be "real" cars because most families don't have the budget to spend on a spare city car. They need their car to be able to do everything a gas car can do. So most EVs do not have over-spec'd motors.
@@ultrastoat3298 For normal responsible driving, 60kW will get a normal electric car wherever it needs to go perfectly fine. Once at speed, you only need ~20kW to maintain highway speed, +/-5kW depending on driving conditions. With a gas car, you need an artificially larger engine just to offset the lack of low-end torque for launch. An electric car doesn't have that problem, torque is mostly flat from dead stop until whatever speed the power limit kicks in, if it ever does.
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@@ultrastoat3298 No, many EVs have too much power. You don't need 0-100 km/h times of below 7 seconds for an all-day (family) car.
Even if that was 20K in the US, that would be a great city car. Seems like all the american brands (or German or Japanese brands we have in the US) would rather build large luxury sedans and SUVs than build anything budget. Even if you look at the Bolt, which was a great deal, the bolt had a 240-260mi range from a 60/66kwh battery. Its also a crossover size, and it was like 34K new (before incentives) The old Model 3 Standard Range was $39K for 272mi. The Leaf is 28K for the 150mi base model. And the leaf is "small" but its not really small like the old Spark EV. We really need a new Spark EV. Or the equivalent of an electric Mitsubishi Mirage. Cut out ALL the premium features. Cloth seats, lots of plastic. Smaller size. IDK if it could quite hit 20K, but surely 25K.
Just imagine, your 2nd car loan payment went from $650 to $150 per month. Your fuel cost for the same second car went from $200 to $50, even less if you have solar or cheap ⚡ $/Kwh. In my book, not getting an easy savings is = higher inflation.
I will buy 1 for $20,000 right away. Come on Canada put 100 percent tariff and put some in dealership . It will fly off dealer lots . It is so practical for city and commute to work
FYI, this is partly owned by General Motors.... Wonder why they never imported these in the US... you also have the Wuling Mini EVs which are 2 seater super small cars that could work in place like NYC
It is because even though GM owns around 40% of Wuling, it really has no input on how Wulings are designed and built. Wulings ride on their own platforms designed to take full advantage of the local Chinese EV supply chain to build some of the cheapest cars in the Chinese market. None of it really has anything to do with GM's own platforms, supply chains, and factories, which also means GM will not be able to easily build these cars in any of its many factories scattered all over the world. For instance the recently launched Baojun Cloud is essentially a newer nicer and cheaper Chevy Bolt, so why isn't GM pumping those out in their American factories to sell in large numbers? Because the Cloud is designed and built by Wuling, using Wuling's platform and batteries and supply chain and so on, so GM can't build it in the US despite the fact that they desperately need a replacement for the Bolt.
SAIC (Shanghai Automotive) bought the Wuling car brand but not the Wuling Company around 2000. The Wuling Company still exists, it's now called Guangxi Automobile, and it makes commercial vehicles, golf carts and has a huge auto parts industry, including engines and motors. At the time of the acquisition, GM was persuaded to become an investor in SAIC-Wuling, hence the triple joint venture SGMW. SAIC has always held a majority share though. GM's contribution was as an investor, not as a technical contributor. Wuling (Guangxi Auto) remains a small shareholder because it basically 'licenses' the Wuling name. When GM went bankrupt, SAIC helped with the survival of the company, mainly helping to save its Asia operations. As a result most of GM Korea's activities (former Daewoo) moved to SGMW. The products were brought to the Chinese market under the Baojun name. GM's involvement with Baojun was investor and technical partner. Around 2018 SGMW tried to revamp the Baojun brand with radically new design and upgraded products. They even called it New Baojun for a while. The strategy was a major fail and Baojun sales tanked. Since 2022, SGMW has put New Baojun in the fridge and is revamping the brand again. This time as a more upmarket alternative to Wuling. Baojun's third iteration uses Wuling platforms and technology and has nothing to do with GM anymore. So, GM is back where it first started, as a financial investor only.
@@leobreevoort9151 so it was a smart investment for really good bucks right? US companies get so much benefits for so little of hand outs, it's those china "sweat shop" that did everything.
Prices for Chinese cars (in China) are mostly genuine, but margins are probably rather thin. The price gap between China en US-EU increased dramatically over the last two years. There are a few reasons (one is the mature supply chain in China), but most important: Covid. Covid in US-EU -> politics decided to save the economy -> huge financial packages for companies and citizens, a few trillion in total. Post-covid: quick economic recovery due to insane amount of money available -> supply chain issues -> huge inflation, ultra high prices Covid in China -> politics decided to save human lives (extended lockdowns, death rate 10 to 20 times lower than US-EU) -> no financial packages for companies and citizens. Citizens survived on their savings. Post-covid: very slow, if any economic recovery due to no money available -> demand issues for product manufacturers -> lower prices to spike demand -> China balanced on the edge of deflation for a year, before they announced some economic stimulus. On top of that, Wuling has always been a champion of cheap cars. Their first major success was the Hongguang MPV in the early 2000s. 3-row, very basic MPV, inline 4 engines with max 100hp. This was more or less China's Beetle/2CV. Sold in the millions, still available today as 2nd gen. Prices start at around $5,000. Their second success was the Hongguang Mini EV, right in the middle of Covid. It sold near cost price (margin was in EV-credits for the manufacturer), was available for city folk (gas vehicles face registration obstacles in many urban areas), and was even below $5,000. Supplemented public transport, which wasn't very popular during the pandemic, obviously. You could even say the car started the rapid EV-transition China is in today. Their current top of the line offering is a mid-size sedan (Xingguang/Starlight), like a Toyota Camry, that's available as BEV or EREV. The BEV has a 60 kWh or so battery and isn't very powerful, but it's roomy and very cheap at $15.000. The EREV is 1 or 2 grand cheaper and has a 15 kWh or so battery for 100 km electric-only range.
By the way, EV incentives at the federal level in China ended 2 years ago. All that's remaining is an exemption of the purchase tax. This is a consumer tax of 10% (but it was lowered to 5% during covid) that goes on top of the sticker prices for gas cars. Prior to this, China had fixed EV incentives based on things like range and energy density of the battery. Much like the $7,500 incentive in the US. These incentives were already subtracted from the sticker price. So it was handled by the manufacturer. The government then reimbursed the manufacturers (paid them back the incentive they had subtracted from the sales price). This financial arrangement, with the money flow of incentives going through manufacturers instead of going through consumers (as in US and EU), has been abused by some governments to say that China paid unfair subsidies.
Your insights are quite close to what's happened in China, especially the covid death rate comparison perspective, quite impressive! btw, are you Chinese?
@@leiwang5230 Thank you. I'm Dutch (and have never been to China yet), but out of personal interest, I follow the Chinese car industry (and by extension, China in general) for quite a while now.
@@leobreevoort9151 Wow, then that's quite remarkable considering you never step on Chinese soil ! Any plan visit China leverage on visa free China is offering these days?
Great review! Love Alyssa on camera! Honestly, this is a great little car for most people. Most people don’t drive more than its range or carry more people on a daily basis. And now we’re about to have a government that will further limit our choices. Disgraceful.
We already HAVE one under King Biden; he did not allow these into the USA. No USA President ever will. They have ALL been payed off by 'the big three' and the oil oligarchs to keep out any real competition to the USA made, over priced, underwhelming cars.
@@danielzhang1916 Yeah, they used to offer them because you'd buy a Versa, then move up to a Sentra or Altima, then keep moving up. But the boomers are the last generation that are brand loyal and even they have changed that habit.
A reminder that all the Government Support which China provides for EV manufacturers is the same as the one the US and other Western Countries do. The key to the low price of the Chinese EV's is the Supply Chain. China has invested heavily into ensuring that Chinese companies mine, transport and refine the raw resources needed.
13:03 Thats why you sometimes see in germany Smart cars driving around with a sticker written on "Mercedes S Klasse Rettungskapsel" aka Mercedes S Class escape pod lol
you can get it and it's sibling vehicle the Air here in Thailand for basically the price that you mentioned during the video with a slight bump due to currency conversion
If the US govt stop subsidizing the oil industry that use cobalt from child-labor countries and put the money instead to domestic EV industry, I think Americans can have $8000 cars like this one - same as the Chinese. If China can do it so can the US. Personally I do not mind if Chinese citizens pay for my car with their taxes and low wages.
Yes!! Stupid governments forcing them out. More choices and competition is always best for consumers. I get that China isn't great with their government and humanitarian issues, but two things can exist simultaneously. Not liking that but wanting the cars here to choose from.
@@jeffs6090 The reason they block them has nothing to do with humanitarian issues. It because US car companies prefer to bribe politicians to block competition over innovating and improving. In combination with bureaucracy preventing development of raw material mines for battery materials and factories in the US. The only EV company in the US that has any success is Tesla, and you can see how much politicians hate it.
I live in asia and Americans always think that only their government applies tarrifs on foreign goods. They should come to Asia and see the tarrifs here. It's on the next level. 😂Also this car is not 8k.
@@AVB_42 We are all very well aware of tariffs all over the globe. That's not the issue. We don't even have the option available to have any of these here in order for tariffs to be put on them.
We need something similar in the US. I want a small car. I used to own a 2015 Chevy Spark EV. It was my first EV but it would be perfect if they brought it back with an upgraded battery and faster DCFC. I don't need an SUV sized vehicle and I'm not the only person that feels this way. China is killing it.
It's interesting to see people used to reviewing expensive luxury cars, trying to review an inexpensive car that many Americans would be happy to be able to buy and drive.
By making this video you showed us that we can buy a cheap Chinese car in America and drive it on the public roads. Thank you nice job. What's the best place to get one of these?
It is amazing how much better you are even behind the camera at describing the car than Alyssa who is actually in frame. Tell her to just film you! All she says is right, right, and ask you to correct her!
That is so much car for $8k. Small BEVs are great fun - we just bought a VW e-Up! and it puts a smile on your face. It’s just a shame that so many legacy manufacturers are only building large expensive EVs. In Europe we are finally getting more small cheap EVs, like the Leap Motors T03 and I think they will do well. I hope BYD bring the Seagull and price it super competitively
@bill_heywood "that is so much car," except we don't know what required safety features it has or is lacking. In an accident, will it kill its occupants? It doesn't seem to have crumple zones and strong roof pillars, the brakes Kyle tested were weak for this light car, and it likely lacks other essential features for cars sold in the U.S. That's one of many reasons it can't be sold here. Adding those features will add $5K-10K (or more). Will its battery last 8yrs/$100K miles (as is required)? Maybe not. You get what you pay for. The cost differential is due to the car's minimal design/safety, slave-like labor costs, etc. If they pay workers $20/hour whereas "legacy" mfrs must pay people like you and me $100/hr (along with extra for worker benefits), well that's a major part of the cost. The price of cars reflects a livable wage (or not) for workers who design/build it. I agree with you that the price of U.S./European cars are bloated, and they should offer a "low-end but safe" trim level for $35K.
You guys REALLY should try to find an old Mitsubishi i-MiEV to review / discover. Great little EV's! I'm still driving my 2010 i-MiEV. I upgraded the battery via OZ Electric Vehicles in 2022 and now have a 200+ kilometers range, good to go for another decade. Would love to see what you think about it!!
Hey Kyle! Love watching many of your reviews of EV cars! Unfortunately, the heavily government subsidized Chinsese EVs are just the main street media narratives. No matter how much the government supports the EV industry, the car companies still have to manage their control of costs and manufacturing efficiency. About one decade ago, to solve the heavy pollution of city air and the lack of competitiveness of the domestic ICE cars, the Chinese central government focused on EVs and supporting policies for the industry. Available and lower interest funds borrowing and projects approval help etc ... Incentives are provided to the consumers to encourage the switching from the ICE cars to the EVs, even up to today. At the beginning, they faced their fair share of issues for the EVs. However, after a decade long of improving and establishing the supply chains for EVs, the Chinese EVs industry is reaping the fruits. The heavy investments are paying dividends. Cheaper labor costs are a big factor in the overall costs and pricing structure of the EVs that are made in China. Just look at the Tesla EVs that are made in China. Their price is at least one-third cheaper than that in the U.S. Hope this makes just a couple cents.
I saw a video about a sibling of this car in May of 2021 when it became the best selling EV in China. It has over 1.2 million views in Spanish with English subtitles. I found that video much more informative than this one. That channel is called Jabiertzo. It's interesting that Kyle was much more positive when he did a review of the Kandi K27 that was sold in the US for less than $10K back in Nov 2020. That review also has over 1.2M views.
Are there any solid plans to sell this in America? Im guessing not. Would love to have seen the Kia EV3 make it to America. Also the BYD Seagull. Neither are coming, sadly.
Well regular cars never use to have actual temperature degree settings (that was more of a hoity toity, luxury feature that came later). You had the knob or slider that went from a blue color gradient to red color gradient and you dialed/slid how much relative heating or cooling you wanted. I really miss the old simple Toyota controls where they gave you independent control over fan speed, temperature, and whether or not the AC compressor was ON or OFF.
We know this would cost more if sold in the US, but at 19,000 dollars it would still sell very well. There are buyers looking for simple, affordable, and brand new. This would connect with those buyers. For me, I would look at what used vehicle options are out there around 20,000 dollars before grabbing this. GM should be looking to bring these in with Chevrolet badges on them. The Chinese EV industry is spreading globally and Western legacy builders are feeling the heat.
@JunitafluxcyfatriciaJunita Keep in mind Trump-o-nomocs. If he follows through with his threats, 19,000 dollars will be the cheapest this vehicle could be in the US.
these things always play out the same. Legacy brands in any industry get to a point where they say ''if you can't beat em', join em'' and learn from them....they then collect their wages, do nothing and eventually get bought out and walk off into the sunset
More than likely, this car won't pass critical crash safety tests. That's a serious problem also for the Xiaomi su7. For the U.S. they'll have to redesign many things (example, the China-specific charging ports). The Chinese government doesn't just give subsidies (like many countries do), they unfairly allow monopoly-creating price dumping.
In Indonesia where I live Wuling is quite popular, this model it is sold at around 20 K USD, crazy how cheap these cars are sold in China vs when they come here. All cars here are very expensive even more than in Europe comparing similar models, by the way I think 20 K is too much for this city car.
$8k is the Chinese price. You don't usually get one outside China for less than $18k. The base price in Indonesia is $19600 without DC fast charging. And that's reduced. The Philippine base price is $18400. Cheapest outside China I've seen is Thailand at $12250.
I saw a video about a sibling of this car in May of 2021 when it became the best selling EV in China. It has over 1.2 million views in Spanish with English subtitles. I found that video much more informative than this one. That channel is called Jabiertzo. It's interesting that Kyle was much more positive when he did a review of the Kandi K27 that was sold in the US for less than $10K back in Nov 2020. That review also has over 1.2M views.
Last I checked marketing & distribution costs in the united states typically cost about 1/3rd of the vehicle cost. Also safety and other market-specific requirements would likely add 3-4k onto the base cost. So you could expect that this cost would be about 16k + marketing costs (say another 6k), would bring the cost to 22k.Still a great price, but not quite the steal it looks like when looking at the in-country costs. The other question is reliability. Remember Kia and Yugo? Both came to the country as low-cost econo-boxes. The kia iterated and drove quality into the car. Yugo not so much. And then there are the Tariffs.
Can and i beg you for a review of every car Dcar carried to the States....even sprinkle in the plugin hybrid cars and the ICE .....i think u do have a different account that can do that
Can I buy this from DCar? I'm dead serious. I understand it would probably cost double the $8k price for me but they already did the hard part getting it stateside.
@@CYR1X I don't know much about these, but I know that some Americans buy cars from Mexico, put Mexican license plates on them, and then use them in the United States.
Dear god we need cars like these. Fiat Panda/Kia Picanto sized and putting the Dacia Spring to shame. Sodium ion would be a big plus, maybe a "baby estate" too for extra cargo length and crucially better aero which small EVs suffer from.
That car looks like if I fit 500 and a Tesla model 3 we combined to make one vehicle using the model 3 headlights and a relatively similar design of the Fiat 500
I skimmed through this video.. How are they legally driving it in the US. Is there some type of exemption for cars imported for tear-downs and benchmarking? Did I miss something?
The xhream on brown with the faux chrome on rhe dash is a quite elegent come 50s american retro thing going on. If that had a wood wheel it would realy pop. Failing that, it would look better cream or brown. The balck is a bit jaring. Its wuite amazing im picking at the wheel colour and style on a £12k car.
What a cute little car! I'm not against the idea of pushing electric powered vehicles here but not everyone can afford 40K$ + cars. You need cheap cars like this one here in North America. We shouldn't rely on the used car market to buy a cheap car. A shame that it doesn't exist here.
Not even close . They have their own tests over there but they are not to our standards . They said think about it this way . If your a motorcycle rider what protection do you have ? Less than this . There the idea . Affordable transportation with weather resistance.
Ironically, the second largest shareholder of the parent company of Wuling Bingo is GM, which holds 44% of Wuling Motors.
Yup. And yet they can't learn anything from things they invested in.
Yup and that's why GM leads the world in EV sales. They have no competition
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Oh, they learn actually, that's how the Chevy Bolt existed
I have one Bingo back in China to pick up kids from school and go to groceries every day. Only 1 charge per week and the charging expense is about $30 per month, think about that🤣. There is no chance I switch back to ICE cars, period.
Unbelievable😂
@@andrewsackey5728 electricity is much cheaper comparing to gas in China, it is not the same situation in U.S., tho.
@@breezekinght electricity here in Ghana west africa will make you go nuts🤣
I saw a video about a sibling of this car in May of 2021 when it became the best selling EV in China. It has over 1.2 million views in Spanish with English subtitles. I found that video much more informative than this one. That channel is called Jabiertzo.
It's interesting that Kyle was much more positive when he did a review of the Kandi K27 that was sold in the US for less than $10K back in Nov 2020. That review also has over 1.2M views.
Even with the crazy high tariffs, this would still be a good deal for $16k to $20k
Not being able to go above 60 mph? You couldn't safely take it on most US highways. That and China is just trying to gain market share with these prices.
Even so, in a true free market, this would force legacy automakers to inovate real quick. And it would go a long way towards EV adaption and reduced emissions. I'd say it's a wash
@@денисбаженов-щ1б Ignoring the fact the way Norway did it.
@@brettgoldsmith8584 the car is positioned to be a city dweller, not a road trip car
@@brettgoldsmith8584Have you heard of K cars? These are the electric versions of that. I have seen K cars 25+ years old running on US roads. Gas k cars cost similarly as well. Why don’t you blame Japan? There was no intention of selling these in America. Everybody knows it’s not a U.S. market car.
@@SM-bu4fw @SM-bu4fw People are afraid of them though. Biden slapped 100% tariffs on these things. Obviously they fear they will have some sort of negative impact on domestic sales.
Thankfully, industry lobbying protects us from being able to buy these. I gladly pay 60k plus for an EV, if I can be sure that puts a meal on the table for a starving domestic CEO.
Calling it domestic lobbying is disingenuous at best. China is massively subsidizing and dumping EVs into foreign markets. This type of economic warfare is standard for them, This is exactly what they do in the steel industry but with consumer goods instead.
@@otm646 they learned it from america
You should do your research on Chinese EV's before praising them. They are known for causing many deaths because thry cut corners on safety. There is a reason why they are so cheap while appearing to looknas good as they do
Has nothing to do with CEO and everything to do with many US industries and workers. Every country does it to help manage and stabilize the local market.
@@otm646 What they're doing is putting money into a void of innovation to win a market that had massive growth potential. No other country had the balls to do it. What happened to the U.S. leading technology innovation? That could have been us years ago, but look at where we ended up instead.
It's like an updated Spark EV that costs as much as used Spark EV.
It’s actually better than than the Spark! 😂
2014 spark with the 400ftlbs of tq was pretty fun.
$8,000 gets you a whole new EV in China. In most other developed countries, it buys you half of the battery pack.
That's a heavily subsidized price with very little margin. Outside China it's more like $20k. The competing BYD is $21k in Mexico.
@@AutoReport1 "Outside" China comes with shipping, export fees and tariffs applied by the other countries. Same reason GM makes cars in China instead of making them in Detroit and shipping them to China to sell there.
@davidmccarthy6061 people underestimate the costs involved. But it's also market related. China is oversaturated and many competitors sell at big losses. That means BYD and Wuling also need to slash prices even though their volumes are much better. Indonesia and the Philippines Wuling competes directly only with BYD, so they can both make better margins. And since GM doesn't yet sell the electric Wuling models in Latin America, BYD doesn't need to discount.
@@AutoReport1 Never heard of the things called supply chain and vertical integration? That's what makes them cheap.
@directxxxx71 you crack me up. All Chinese EV makers have low cost supply chains, most of them lose tens of thousands per vehicle, acknowledged, and some have already failed. Vertical integration only helps if you have the volume to give cost savings, otherwise the outside supplier making 20× more volume has you beat on cost despite their margins. No matter how cheap this seems to be in China, it's still a minimum $20k in North America and Europe.
Americans cannot review a Chinese car without talking about the so-called government subsidy. Meanwhile, they are also spending a huge budget on subsidizing electric vehicles themselves. The fact is that every car maker can get this ‘government subsidy’ if they meet certain criteria, just like Tesla.
it's called dumping. this isnt 8 grand even at cost. it cost them more to make than they sell it for.
@@ashishpatel350 not true, they have the ability to make pretty much everythinng in house, nothing on this car needs to be imported from outside of China, meaning the cost to make one is indeed very very low, of course selling the car at this price doesn't guarantee plenty of profit, but they are def no losing money
@@ashishpatel350where did you hear that? It’s completely a lie that doesn’t even make a bit sense.
The argument that these Chinese companies get unfair state subsidies is ridiculous. How many tens of billions did GM get in their last bailout? Rivian got $6.6bn just this month in "loans" that they likely won't need to pay back. Every time a new factory is built, the states compete in throwing billions at the automakers. That's not to mention the cushy military contracts the auto companies get on the side.
Now there is 'point and score' for OP on this subject
Don’t forget the oil company subsidies! Literally corporate welfare
If development of EVs had continued after the EV1, the U.S. could have been the vehicle technology leader with a 2 decades head start. We practically handed this win to China on a silver platter. The fact it's subsidized doesn't matter. We could have done the same. We chose not to innovate.
It's not the same as what the communists do SMH. You know they use child labor and pay their workers dirt wages? They have no OSHA protecting workers. A couple years ago they found Apple workers living in bunk houses they couldn't leave. It's an ignorant comparison at best.
@@jrharbortproductionsHeck, legacy auto continues to cut their EV production because they haven’t figured out how to make them profitably.
8 grand for this is a steal.
yep and for most people this is a perfectly usable vehicle if this goes nation wide available and doesnt get its price tripled by tarrifs i have a feeling that they'll have a really hard time keeping these in stock
$16.000 In Europe.$12,000 in developing countries.
This one is not for sale in my country, Brazil, but the Seagull is 18665 dollars in my country and there are no incentives here. The seagull is the best selling EV of 2024.
@@P2EDUARDO because BYD No competition in Brazil
The Wuling Mini EV is now a 4 door at around the same price....
That's a cute little buggy. I appreciate seeing different colors and style cues. Love hearing Alyssa's opinion on things. it is nice to get a different use case perspective.
Cheapo cars like this one have their place. I can see where this car and others like them fit nicely in urban environments and for people looking for basic, affordable transportation.
My son is about to turn 15 and we will be needing to look for cheap transportation for him once he gets a learner's permit. This is exactly the kind of thing that would fit his needs even if the menu stays in its native language.
these cars are filled with many Chinese areas where parents uses them to pick their kids from school and many uses them for daily needs inside cities.
Its going to be a big deal for people in asian mega cities not just China but south east asia as well
@@milohobo9186 You're thinking this is or can be street-legal for the U.S. It isn't, and will add $5K-10K to make it safe. As it is, this won't pass most of the required safety tests our govt requires. Would you give a car with minimal safety features to a teenager, knowing that age group gets into so many accidents? This probably doesn't even have crumple zones, which are critical to protect people inside.
Finally this channel reviewed an EV that's actually within reach for people outside of the US
It's interesting that Kyle was much more positive when he did a review of the Kandi K27 that was sold in the US for less than $10K back in Nov 2020. That review also has over 1.2M views.
A major reason these cars are so cheap is because they lack many all critical safety features required for cars sold in the U.S. That's why this can't be sold here, as is. It's illegal to drive on U.S. roads (unless you get a very special federal exemption). To sell it here they'll have to make it safe, which raises the price into the low $20K range. For a golf cart with doors & weak A/C.
Love having Alyssa be the main character in some of the videos. Great video!
Honestly their best videos 👍🏿
no more Chinese government incentives to the public. factories maybe get some grants, but Wuling is already an established company. The supply chain is main reason as everything is made in china with so many brands ordering parts.
Under 10k is perfect for an extra car for the city. Used Bolt EV or Nissan Leaf is the only decent choice right now in that price range in the US.
I just hope more vendors will come up with an after market solution to Leaf's battery .replacement . . .
Wuling is mainly sold pretty well in tier 3 city and below. No one with higher income like in Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen using this car.
The more income you have, the more expensive EV you buy, heck NIO even just release their new EV , NIO ET9 cost 818,000 Yuan or equal to 140,000 USD.
So what's the point of this comment exactly? 🤔
I am sure you will find people driving geely panda in Shenzhen.
Are you sure? I recall seeing a couple blogger posting their car shopping experience a few years back where the sales person described buyers looking at these as second car for shopping and picking up or dropping off kids.
@@Hellomhk Didn't know what the Geely Panda was - looked it up and found it on the Inside China Auto channel with over 834K views. Thanks for mentioning it. The other channel I mentioned is Jabiertzo and their 2021 video on the Wuling Hongguan Mini has over 1.2M views, just like Kyle's review of the Kandi K27 back in 2020.
@@guens01 Sharing trivia or opinions. We humans are social animals.
"50kW isn't that slow." When I drive my mother's Bolt EV, I rarely go over 60kW and the Bolt is a ~40% heavier car. Most EVs have ridiculously over-spec'd motors for normal driving.
Most cars need to be "real" cars because most families don't have the budget to spend on a spare city car. They need their car to be able to do everything a gas car can do. So most EVs do not have over-spec'd motors.
@@ultrastoat3298 For normal responsible driving, 60kW will get a normal electric car wherever it needs to go perfectly fine. Once at speed, you only need ~20kW to maintain highway speed, +/-5kW depending on driving conditions.
With a gas car, you need an artificially larger engine just to offset the lack of low-end torque for launch. An electric car doesn't have that problem, torque is mostly flat from dead stop until whatever speed the power limit kicks in, if it ever does.
@@ultrastoat3298 No, many EVs have too much power. You don't need 0-100 km/h times of below 7 seconds for an all-day (family) car.
@@ultrastoat3298 weird take
The Toyota 2 e petrol engine max power output is 50 kW so for an electric motor that's hardly slow especially acceleration.
I visited china last year and this was one of the most popular cars I saw on the road.
I know a few aunties have this car as an extra one to grab groceries and pick up their grandkids.
Even if that was 20K in the US, that would be a great city car. Seems like all the american brands (or German or Japanese brands we have in the US) would rather build large luxury sedans and SUVs than build anything budget.
Even if you look at the Bolt, which was a great deal, the bolt had a 240-260mi range from a 60/66kwh battery. Its also a crossover size, and it was like 34K new (before incentives)
The old Model 3 Standard Range was $39K for 272mi.
The Leaf is 28K for the 150mi base model. And the leaf is "small" but its not really small like the old Spark EV. We really need a new Spark EV. Or the equivalent of an electric Mitsubishi Mirage. Cut out ALL the premium features. Cloth seats, lots of plastic. Smaller size. IDK if it could quite hit 20K, but surely 25K.
I sure do enjoy seeing all the cool stuff coming out of China that Americans can't buy.
Thanks!
Just imagine, your 2nd car loan payment went from $650 to $150 per month. Your fuel cost for the same second car went from $200 to $50, even less if you have solar or cheap ⚡ $/Kwh. In my book, not getting an easy savings is = higher inflation.
$8.000 in china .
$16.000 In Europe.
$12,000 in developing countries
I will buy 1 for $20,000 right away. Come on Canada put 100 percent tariff and put some in dealership . It will fly off dealer lots . It is so practical for city and commute to work
FYI, this is partly owned by General Motors.... Wonder why they never imported these in the US... you also have the Wuling Mini EVs which are 2 seater super small cars that could work in place like NYC
It is because even though GM owns around 40% of Wuling, it really has no input on how Wulings are designed and built. Wulings ride on their own platforms designed to take full advantage of the local Chinese EV supply chain to build some of the cheapest cars in the Chinese market. None of it really has anything to do with GM's own platforms, supply chains, and factories, which also means GM will not be able to easily build these cars in any of its many factories scattered all over the world. For instance the recently launched Baojun Cloud is essentially a newer nicer and cheaper Chevy Bolt, so why isn't GM pumping those out in their American factories to sell in large numbers? Because the Cloud is designed and built by Wuling, using Wuling's platform and batteries and supply chain and so on, so GM can't build it in the US despite the fact that they desperately need a replacement for the Bolt.
SAIC (Shanghai Automotive) bought the Wuling car brand but not the Wuling Company around 2000. The Wuling Company still exists, it's now called Guangxi Automobile, and it makes commercial vehicles, golf carts and has a huge auto parts industry, including engines and motors. At the time of the acquisition, GM was persuaded to become an investor in SAIC-Wuling, hence the triple joint venture SGMW. SAIC has always held a majority share though. GM's contribution was as an investor, not as a technical contributor. Wuling (Guangxi Auto) remains a small shareholder because it basically 'licenses' the Wuling name.
When GM went bankrupt, SAIC helped with the survival of the company, mainly helping to save its Asia operations. As a result most of GM Korea's activities (former Daewoo) moved to SGMW. The products were brought to the Chinese market under the Baojun name. GM's involvement with Baojun was investor and technical partner.
Around 2018 SGMW tried to revamp the Baojun brand with radically new design and upgraded products. They even called it New Baojun for a while. The strategy was a major fail and Baojun sales tanked.
Since 2022, SGMW has put New Baojun in the fridge and is revamping the brand again. This time as a more upmarket alternative to Wuling. Baojun's third iteration uses Wuling platforms and technology and has nothing to do with GM anymore. So, GM is back where it first started, as a financial investor only.
@@leobreevoort9151 so it was a smart investment for really good bucks right?
US companies get so much benefits for so little of hand outs, it's those china "sweat shop" that did everything.
@@tren133 Nobody in the USA really wants an EV at any price for any reason. The small niche that do want an EV buy Teslas.
Thats a really nice interior. Nicer than the Spring that is £15k in the uk. Iirc the cheapest ev on sale here.
Leapmotor t03 vs Wuling bingo vs BYD segulll. And many more are Rival in China market
I like the dash, it’s retro 50’s but modern at the same time.
$8.000 in china .
$16.000 In Europe.
$12,000 in developing countries
The dashboard design looks retro. Kind of nice.
Prices for Chinese cars (in China) are mostly genuine, but margins are probably rather thin. The price gap between China en US-EU increased dramatically over the last two years. There are a few reasons (one is the mature supply chain in China), but most important: Covid.
Covid in US-EU -> politics decided to save the economy -> huge financial packages for companies and citizens, a few trillion in total.
Post-covid: quick economic recovery due to insane amount of money available -> supply chain issues -> huge inflation, ultra high prices
Covid in China -> politics decided to save human lives (extended lockdowns, death rate 10 to 20 times lower than US-EU) -> no financial packages for companies and citizens. Citizens survived on their savings.
Post-covid: very slow, if any economic recovery due to no money available -> demand issues for product manufacturers -> lower prices to spike demand -> China balanced on the edge of deflation for a year, before they announced some economic stimulus.
On top of that, Wuling has always been a champion of cheap cars. Their first major success was the Hongguang MPV in the early 2000s. 3-row, very basic MPV, inline 4 engines with max 100hp. This was more or less China's Beetle/2CV. Sold in the millions, still available today as 2nd gen. Prices start at around $5,000.
Their second success was the Hongguang Mini EV, right in the middle of Covid. It sold near cost price (margin was in EV-credits for the manufacturer), was available for city folk (gas vehicles face registration obstacles in many urban areas), and was even below $5,000. Supplemented public transport, which wasn't very popular during the pandemic, obviously. You could even say the car started the rapid EV-transition China is in today.
Their current top of the line offering is a mid-size sedan (Xingguang/Starlight), like a Toyota Camry, that's available as BEV or EREV. The BEV has a 60 kWh or so battery and isn't very powerful, but it's roomy and very cheap at $15.000. The EREV is 1 or 2 grand cheaper and has a 15 kWh or so battery for 100 km electric-only range.
By the way, EV incentives at the federal level in China ended 2 years ago. All that's remaining is an exemption of the purchase tax. This is a consumer tax of 10% (but it was lowered to 5% during covid) that goes on top of the sticker prices for gas cars.
Prior to this, China had fixed EV incentives based on things like range and energy density of the battery. Much like the $7,500 incentive in the US. These incentives were already subtracted from the sticker price. So it was handled by the manufacturer. The government then reimbursed the manufacturers (paid them back the incentive they had subtracted from the sales price). This financial arrangement, with the money flow of incentives going through manufacturers instead of going through consumers (as in US and EU), has been abused by some governments to say that China paid unfair subsidies.
Your insights are quite close to what's happened in China, especially the covid death rate comparison perspective, quite impressive! btw, are you Chinese?
@@leiwang5230 Thank you. I'm Dutch (and have never been to China yet), but out of personal interest, I follow the Chinese car industry (and by extension, China in general) for quite a while now.
@@leobreevoort9151 Wow, then that's quite remarkable considering you never step on Chinese soil ! Any plan visit China leverage on visa free China is offering these days?
@@leiwang5230 I plan to visit the country one day, but nothing concrete yet.
Well for a car this cheap, the seams look more uniform and aligned than Tesla that costs at least 5x
GM should build this here in the US and just brand it as the return of the Chevy Spark EV
Great review! Love Alyssa on camera! Honestly, this is a great little car for most people. Most people don’t drive more than its range or carry more people on a daily basis. And now we’re about to have a government that will further limit our choices. Disgraceful.
We already HAVE one under King Biden; he did not allow these into the USA. No USA President ever will. They have ALL been payed off by 'the big three' and the oil oligarchs to keep out any real competition to the USA made, over priced, underwhelming cars.
Jank Boteko ❤ Didi
Why can't we ever get cool cheap cars in the U.S.? Who's stopping this from happening?.?...
Politics
they can't make money off cheap cars, that's why they got rid of the subcompact vehicles
Livable wages for workers.
@@danielzhang1916 Yeah, they used to offer them because you'd buy a Versa, then move up to a Sentra or Altima, then keep moving up. But the boomers are the last generation that are brand loyal and even they have changed that habit.
Americans are too dumb to realise what they are missing out.
It's a nice car for small errands and quick grocery runs.
Love the grocery getter perfect
Wuling bingo populer in my country Indonesia cheap goid range ❤
A perfect vehicle for downtowns driving and suburban groceries trips and picking up the kids
A reminder that all the Government Support which China provides for EV manufacturers is the same as the one the US and other Western Countries do.
The key to the low price of the Chinese EV's is the Supply Chain. China has invested heavily into ensuring that Chinese companies mine, transport and refine the raw resources needed.
In China, Wuling's slogan is "Wuling builds what people need", so it called People's Wuling
Love the color. Think it is cute and WANT one!
When will this car be available in US or it's already available?
Here in Europe this would compete well with Dacia Spring EV, similarly priced.
This is perfect city EV :)
Great video, keep it up
These are the cars we need here!
13:03 Thats why you sometimes see in germany Smart cars driving around with a sticker written on "Mercedes S Klasse Rettungskapsel" aka Mercedes S Class escape pod lol
you can get it and it's sibling vehicle the Air here in Thailand for basically the price that you mentioned during the video with a slight bump due to currency conversion
As a designer, I love the styling inside and out.
This looks like a fun car.
Yes, GM is an investor, The Chinese are crushing us in EVs. The Ford CEO saw this first hand.
That's awesome I love it and I'm shocked that the range is high considering it's cost
And how much is Stellantis asking you to pay for a similar sized or slightly smaller Fiat 500E in the USA?
If the US govt stop subsidizing the oil industry that use cobalt from child-labor countries and put the money instead to domestic EV industry, I think Americans can have $8000 cars like this one - same as the Chinese. If China can do it so can the US. Personally I do not mind if Chinese citizens pay for my car with their taxes and low wages.
exactly if its actually subsidizing, just buy all the cars to bankrupt china ? hahaha
US keep making excuses, this is just all agenda
Love the Chinese car content we’re getting! Wish we could buy some of these cars though 😂
Yes!! Stupid governments forcing them out. More choices and competition is always best for consumers. I get that China isn't great with their government and humanitarian issues, but two things can exist simultaneously. Not liking that but wanting the cars here to choose from.
@@jeffs6090 The reason they block them has nothing to do with humanitarian issues. It because US car companies prefer to bribe politicians to block competition over innovating and improving. In combination with bureaucracy preventing development of raw material mines for battery materials and factories in the US.
The only EV company in the US that has any success is Tesla, and you can see how much politicians hate it.
I live in asia and Americans always think that only their government applies tarrifs on foreign goods. They should come to Asia and see the tarrifs here. It's on the next level. 😂Also this car is not 8k.
@@AVB_42 We are all very well aware of tariffs all over the globe. That's not the issue. We don't even have the option available to have any of these here in order for tariffs to be put on them.
@@AVB_42 Well said.
We need something similar in the US. I want a small car. I used to own a 2015 Chevy Spark EV. It was my first EV but it would be perfect if they brought it back with an upgraded battery and faster DCFC. I don't need an SUV sized vehicle and I'm not the only person that feels this way. China is killing it.
The infotainment screen is very responsive but it has a protection film which reduced respinsiveness
I would own 3 of these if I could buy them.
Import it yourself. It is doable in the USA.
"No ADD in this video" says Alyssa to Kyle!
yeah i laughed - seemed low key aggro hahaha
So leasing one of these in Colorado would be -2000 down and they pay for your insurance?
We got Binguo versus Seagull competition before even coming to this market LOL
No wonder the legacy brands are so afraid!! This is all I need to get four bags of groceries from Target, pick up dinner, and the trip to the doctor.
It's interesting to see people used to reviewing expensive luxury cars, trying to review an inexpensive car that many Americans would be happy to be able to buy and drive.
Would Tesla model 3 be priced at its current price without US government kickbacks?
Kyle that thing is hilarious.
The dash has kind of a retro vibe with the chrome and cream color (think 50's car or diner).
Love having Alyssa presentation .
Kyle, you did the same thing when you saw the Lexus that I do when I see a 95 Acura Legend Coupe. 😂
By making this video you showed us that we can buy a cheap Chinese car in America and drive it on the public roads. Thank you nice job. What's the best place to get one of these?
It is amazing how much better you are even behind the camera at describing the car than Alyssa who is actually in frame. Tell her to just film you! All she says is right, right, and ask you to correct her!
That is so much car for $8k. Small BEVs are great fun - we just bought a VW e-Up! and it puts a smile on your face. It’s just a shame that so many legacy manufacturers are only building large expensive EVs. In Europe we are finally getting more small cheap EVs, like the Leap Motors T03 and I think they will do well. I hope BYD bring the Seagull and price it super competitively
@bill_heywood "that is so much car," except we don't know what required safety features it has or is lacking. In an accident, will it kill its occupants? It doesn't seem to have crumple zones and strong roof pillars, the brakes Kyle tested were weak for this light car, and it likely lacks other essential features for cars sold in the U.S. That's one of many reasons it can't be sold here. Adding those features will add $5K-10K (or more). Will its battery last 8yrs/$100K miles (as is required)? Maybe not. You get what you pay for. The cost differential is due to the car's minimal design/safety, slave-like labor costs, etc. If they pay workers $20/hour whereas "legacy" mfrs must pay people like you and me $100/hr (along with extra for worker benefits), well that's a major part of the cost. The price of cars reflects a livable wage (or not) for workers who design/build it. I agree with you that the price of U.S./European cars are bloated, and they should offer a "low-end but safe" trim level for $35K.
You guys REALLY should try to find an old Mitsubishi i-MiEV to review / discover. Great little EV's! I'm still driving my 2010 i-MiEV. I upgraded the battery via OZ Electric Vehicles in 2022 and now have a 200+ kilometers range, good to go for another decade. Would love to see what you think about it!!
Good to see. There's a Mitsu in my town but the owner doesn't want to sell . . . 😢
I would wrap it all black, upgrade the wheels and take it to work everyday. 😊
Hey Kyle! Love watching many of your reviews of EV cars! Unfortunately, the heavily government subsidized Chinsese EVs are just the main street media narratives. No matter how much the government supports the EV industry, the car companies still have to manage their control of costs and manufacturing efficiency. About one decade ago, to solve the heavy pollution of city air and the lack of competitiveness of the domestic ICE cars, the Chinese central government focused on EVs and supporting policies for the industry. Available and lower interest funds borrowing and projects approval help etc ... Incentives are provided to the consumers to encourage the switching from the ICE cars to the EVs, even up to today. At the beginning, they faced their fair share of issues for the EVs. However, after a decade long of improving and establishing the supply chains for EVs, the Chinese EVs industry is reaping the fruits. The heavy investments are paying dividends. Cheaper labor costs are a big factor in the overall costs and pricing structure of the EVs that are made in China. Just look at the Tesla EVs that are made in China. Their price is at least one-third cheaper than that in the U.S. Hope this makes just a couple cents.
I saw a video about a sibling of this car in May of 2021 when it became the best selling EV in China. It has over 1.2 million views in Spanish with English subtitles. I found that video much more informative than this one. That channel is called Jabiertzo.
It's interesting that Kyle was much more positive when he did a review of the Kandi K27 that was sold in the US for less than $10K back in Nov 2020. That review also has over 1.2M views.
Are there any solid plans to sell this in America? Im guessing not. Would love to have seen the Kia EV3 make it to America. Also the BYD Seagull. Neither are coming, sadly.
Well regular cars never use to have actual temperature degree settings (that was more of a hoity toity, luxury feature that came later). You had the knob or slider that went from a blue color gradient to red color gradient and you dialed/slid how much relative heating or cooling you wanted.
I really miss the old simple Toyota controls where they gave you independent control over fan speed, temperature, and whether or not the AC compressor was ON or OFF.
We know this would cost more if sold in the US, but at 19,000 dollars it would still sell very well.
There are buyers looking for simple, affordable, and brand new. This would connect with those buyers.
For me, I would look at what used vehicle options are out there around 20,000 dollars before grabbing this.
GM should be looking to bring these in with Chevrolet badges on them.
The Chinese EV industry is spreading globally and Western legacy builders are feeling the heat.
They can come back as Geo again.
$8.000 in china .
$16.000 In Europe.
$12,000 in developing countries
@JunitafluxcyfatriciaJunita Keep in mind Trump-o-nomocs. If he follows through with his threats, 19,000 dollars will be the cheapest this vehicle could be in the US.
these things always play out the same.
Legacy brands in any industry get to a point where they say ''if you can't beat em', join em'' and learn from them....they then collect their wages, do nothing and eventually get bought out and walk off into the sunset
Nice car…nice design.
We need a small, affordable, EV, half ton, work pickup! Remember the old, pre-Tacoma pickups? Make it a two-seater with a 250-mile range! Thanks!
More than likely, this car won't pass critical crash safety tests. That's a serious problem also for the Xiaomi su7. For the U.S. they'll have to redesign many things (example, the China-specific charging ports). The Chinese government doesn't just give subsidies (like many countries do), they unfairly allow monopoly-creating price dumping.
next time you let her lead the video, let her lead. You're stealing her wind all the time and she's just standing there. I hope you realize that...
In Indonesia where I live Wuling is quite popular, this model it is sold at around 20 K USD, crazy how cheap these cars are sold in China vs when they come here. All cars here are very expensive even more than in Europe comparing similar models, by the way I think 20 K is too much for this city car.
$8k is the Chinese price. You don't usually get one outside China for less than $18k. The base price in Indonesia is $19600 without DC fast charging. And that's reduced. The Philippine base price is $18400. Cheapest outside China I've seen is Thailand at $12250.
I saw a video about a sibling of this car in May of 2021 when it became the best selling EV in China. It has over 1.2 million views in Spanish with English subtitles. I found that video much more informative than this one. That channel is called Jabiertzo.
It's interesting that Kyle was much more positive when he did a review of the Kandi K27 that was sold in the US for less than $10K back in Nov 2020. That review also has over 1.2M views.
You can buy a new electric motorbike less than USD $300 in china, thats enough for you to get around a town or small city
Good job on an actually releasing a short video and not making this 1hr long.
Last I checked marketing & distribution costs in the united states typically cost about 1/3rd of the vehicle cost. Also safety and other market-specific requirements would likely add 3-4k onto the base cost. So you could expect that this cost would be about 16k + marketing costs (say another 6k), would bring the cost to 22k.Still a great price, but not quite the steal it looks like when looking at the in-country costs. The other question is reliability. Remember Kia and Yugo? Both came to the country as low-cost econo-boxes. The kia iterated and drove quality into the car. Yugo not so much.
And then there are the Tariffs.
Can and i beg you for a review of every car Dcar carried to the States....even sprinkle in the plugin hybrid cars and the ICE .....i think u do have a different account that can do that
I must have missed the part... does lift throttle have Re-Gen?
Can I buy this from DCar? I'm dead serious. I understand it would probably cost double the $8k price for me but they already did the hard part getting it stateside.
Obviously, they cannot register the license plate with the DMV and can only use temporary license plates and use them in limited areas.
@@nangongyiyun Depends on the state and I'm not worry about that.
@@CYR1X I don't know much about these, but I know that some Americans buy cars from Mexico, put Mexican license plates on them, and then use them in the United States.
@@nangongyiyun good idea
Dear god we need cars like these. Fiat Panda/Kia Picanto sized and putting the Dacia Spring to shame. Sodium ion would be a big plus, maybe a "baby estate" too for extra cargo length and crucially better aero which small EVs suffer from.
In China, we call this car a mumy car, and it is used for short-distance grocery shopping.
You would not survive getting hit by that cybertruck in that Bingo.
Review their avatr and denza z9gt if they have that one
That car looks like if I fit 500 and a Tesla model 3 we combined to make one vehicle using the model 3 headlights and a relatively similar design of the Fiat 500
That's a great price for a brand new car. I would drive a Chinese micro machine. It's better than what I have now.
Hope the Firefly car reaches the US.
I skimmed through this video.. How are they legally driving it in the US. Is there some type of exemption for cars imported for tear-downs and benchmarking? Did I miss something?
the company is letting them drive it in the US, they are not for sale yet
Foreign owned, temporary import, just like driving in from Mexico, but more work lol
The xhream on brown with the faux chrome on rhe dash is a quite elegent come 50s american retro thing going on.
If that had a wood wheel it would realy pop. Failing that, it would look better cream or brown. The balck is a bit jaring.
Its wuite amazing im picking at the wheel colour and style on a £12k car.
What a cute little car! I'm not against the idea of pushing electric powered vehicles here but not everyone can afford 40K$ + cars. You need cheap cars like this one here in North America. We shouldn't rely on the used car market to buy a cheap car. A shame that it doesn't exist here.
Curious what the dimensions are, compared to a 1984 Honda Civic hatch.
Does it pass any mandatory crash tests?
It doesn’t feel like it would 😂
Prob not since 50% of us citizens are fat and have a ego so the drive giant trucks and suvs
Not even close . They have their own tests over there but they are not to our standards . They said think about it this way . If your a motorcycle rider what protection do you have ? Less than this . There the idea . Affordable transportation with weather resistance.
Yes. It will crash.
@KyleConner neither would japanese kei cars 😂 but not sure why people don't pick those apart lol.
It sounds like the build quality is like if Honda made EV's in the '80s