Chronicle says he has 4000 places for horses built, but way more riders, first king says he bought way more horses, it’s not that confusing. I think if you read both scriptures and then really pause, and then you guide the person into the truth, they are more likely to see their error and how they were manipulated. It’s important to understand that when scripture was copied it was checked more times than you can imagine and there was ceremonial bathing involved and checks and rechecks, not to mention prayer.
@@UltriLeginaXII believe God shared his insights with chosen messengers (apostles and prophets), who then wrote them down in their own words. So, different wording could express the same divine message. It's the meaning behind the words, not the words themselves, that are inspired by God. This makes sense to me because it seems more personal and relatable than God simply dictating every word. Of course, there are exceptions where God did dictate specific words, like the Ten Commandments. But for most of the Bible, I think it's about the underlying meaning and message.
Even how he got his revelations is suspect. He went into a cave, an angel showed up, squeezed him, and he ran away and he wanted to end it because he thought he was demon possessed. Unlike in the Bible everytime an angel appears, “do not be afraid” is the first thing they say.
The lies come from not deeply thinking about things. It's like a bank robbery. One witness says the robber was five foot eleven and another says he was six foot two. Nobody will argue that the bank robbery never happened. That would be dumb.
@@Dripxxl-i4k no it makes the bible (which is part of Christianity not the whole thing) a product of secondary causes which God, even in islam, is always using. God allows these small variants because they don't matter, the bible is a tool for strengthening faith not the bedrock on which the faith rests. If there was something truly wrong or misleading put there by the human author God didn't allow that book to be collected as part of the canon, such as the gnostic books.
“Oh my gosh, he was actually 18 instead of 8? I guess I’ll stop believing in the historical evidences, apostolic churches, multiple church councils, Pre-Christian Dead Sea scrolls, 5000 Greek manuscripts, and the Gregorian calendar.” Said no one ever.
You're telling me a book made by people(not god like in Islam) in poor condition that can nearly make a difference with a mark?! Everyone takes the shada kiss the blackstone
@@Magister195If the Word of God cannot be corrupted in Islam, how could the Injeel be corrupted into the Bible? Bam, there goes your false prophet's false Faith.
I'm a Muslim , but this actually kinda makes sense , I will learn more about Christianity definitely and maybe convert if it's true , I am a person who follows the truth not what feels good or is easy
read the new testament then. According to the Bible Jesus claimed to be the truth, way and life. How many people claim to know with 100% confidence on what the truth, way and life really is?
I'm a christian and I truly respect you for being open minded. So huge respect to you! Wheter you find that Islam or Christianity is the truth does not matter, for I respect you for caring about the truth and not just blindly following something. So may God bless you and peace be with you no matter what!
“Let me prove to you that the Bible is filled with contradictions habibi.” **Shows all of the minor contradictions that aren’t related to what we believe** “See!? It’s filled with contradictions! Now join Islam so you can have 4 wives who can be younger than 18 and so that you can pray to Muhammad 5 times a day which is definitely not idol worship!”
Lol it doesnt matter what u believe or not 😂 If your Holy book is actually from God then you cant have minor contradiction. Its so funny how you debunked your own religion
@@Dripxxl-i4kthat actually not the case. The Christian position is that these texts were sent from God and their original texts (the autographs) were without error with each other. However minor errors popped up when these perfect books were copied, as the copyists were imperfect. So minor contradictions like these don’t pose an issue unless it can be proven to be part of the original text, which variations in manuscripts as outlined in the video disprove.
@@Dripxxl-i4k we don't believe Bible was directly sent by God. The bible is a book INSPIRED by God and WRITTEN in the language of men. Because men are not perfect it will contain some minor errors or even some of the author's own personal biases, but God's main message is not contradicted
@@Mert-or4pz show me where in the Bible that God “DEMANDED” us to worship him? People praise and pray to Him because He is the Creator of everything just like you talking to your parents, asking for advices and needs. God is holy, perfect, almighty, unchanged and infinity unlike a demon is just a creature being and in fact, is a fallen angel who was also created by God Himself .I hope that you will find the truth soon and I wil pray for you. Repent and turn to Jesus Christ, accept Him as your saviour. He died for our sins and rose from the death so whoever believes in Him will be saved. God loves you! Amen
The thing to remember about dawah (Muslim apologetics) is that it doesn't operate according to western standards of intellectual discourse. It relies much more on bravado and passion than simple "if A, then B". A Muslim argument can be completely vacuous but if the apologist says it with enough energy and conviction, Muslim listeners will take it seriously.
@@stevej71393 I agree with this. They way they have a discourse much more of the dominant tone "boohoo you're wrong, I win you lose". The kind of discourse that I like was from AskCliffe where he ends the conversation with "either I'm wrong or you're wrong. You should re-read both books and decide yourself" that is proper discourse. Discourse supposed to be both party stand on middle ground but Muslims usually treat it like its tug of war.
To be fair some "Christian" apologetics works like this too, aka the evangelicals and creationists. In quotes because I wouldn't even count those people as Christians (and I'm an atheist)
@@wtfboom4585 And atheists have a long and rich tradition of doing that - shunning the unbeliever. Christianity is a religion of Truth. Christ said "I am the Truth" and this is an important part of understanding Christianity - devotion to objective truth is an important first principle in understanding the faith. Sometimes that quest for truth takes us outside our comfort zones. The true Christian response, as the thread implies, is to weigh the evidence and make reasoned arguments, as opposed to taking the Muslim approach of passionately doubling down on fallacies. This is why the people who tend to get upset about the treatment of people like Velikovsky probably at least have a Christian upbringing. When Graham Hancock starts talking, all the scientists do is shun the unbeliever, but those who want truth are hearing something different - we're hearing Hancock repeatedly give litanies of other people the scientific community have shunned rather than listen. We hear Muslims shouting someone down. To be honest I'm not a fan of Kent Hovind, and he definitely subscribes to some theology I categorically disagree with - but when I hear his argument on creationism, he makes some convincing points. In particular, his point about how the lost P-38 squadron kinda destroys the veracity of the Greenland ice core samples, or his examples of fast fossilization. Likewise, the most mouth-frothing evangelicals have *something* to offer. You might not want to sit through it, but the decent thing to do is to admit that you don't want to spend the time sifting through it, rather than dismiss it entirely. But shunning the unbeliever when you also profess not to be one... that makes the least sense of all.
These arguments are in a sense the embodiment of what the Lord said about 'straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel'. The alleged discrepancies between the Books of the Kings and the Books of the Chronicles can be solved by understanding the difference in the emphasis between them. Samuel and Kings are told as history in general where Chronicles is the history with emphasis on the spiritual aspect of it. Besides Islam has far more obvious contradictions in the Qu 'ran than supposed errors in Scripture.
3:40 is not neccessarily a copyist error. One text says, he had 40,000 stalls of horses FOR his chariots, and the other says he had 4,000 stalls of horses AND chariots. That would mean, that he had 10 extra stalls of reserve horses for each stall of horses with chariots.
Something weird ive noticed when talking to a Muslim recently in a comment section, is he keeps quoting the Coran at me and asking "well, what's the problem? We believe basically the same thing, Jesus didnt die, and he didnt say you follow him or go to hell" And I keep trying to tell him, no the bible literally says those things arent true, so we do disagree on that. Like he's trying to gaslight me into thinking that Coran is more authoritative to the bible even though im a Christian. Really weird.
@Yipper64 What's more bizarre is their explanation for the Quran. Muslims claim God's words cannot be corrupted, yet they simultaneously claim his previous words had to be corrupted to set the stage for the Quran. The other is the claim of the gospels not being written until decades after Jesus. They overlook the Quranic version of Jesus was written centuries later. No first witnesses on that edition in any regard. The Quran is as much about Muhammad as Allah whereas the Bible is basically about Jesus.
@@MsJfraser God only gave the seal of protection to the Quran Allah, the Almighty, says in the Quran: “Indeed, it is We who sent down the Quran, and indeed, We will be its guardian.” (Surah Al-Hijr, 15:9). This verse is a testament to the divine promise that the Quran will remain unchanged and preserved in its original form. And the oldest Bible present codex sinaiticus which came after 400 years after the resurrection of Jesus and Islam in 630 A.D so only a difference of 200 years.
@@Zeditzz-e4j Allah can only protect what he personally delivers in person. Otherwise, it is left to dedicated individuals to maintain its accuracy. Otherwise, Muhammad dictated from memory and dictated to others to write down. Caliph Uthman had the Quran rewritten and destroyed all existing copies to the greatest extent possible. Why would he need to do that if Allah's words cannot be corrupted? Do you even hear yourself?
@@MsJfraser Utman burned the Quran because as you may know Arabic has many dialects and each dialect had different grammar to avoid confusion Caliph Utman Ibn Affan burned the Quran and issued the standardized version which was the original text nothing new. We can prove this form The Birmingham Quran Manuscript which is an exact word to word copy of the Modern day Quran and was written when Muhammad was alive. And also the reason why Allah tells that Quran cannot be corrupted is because people memorize it and can easily identify a mistake. And if God has given his guarantee that this book will not change it surely won't.
@@Zeditzz-e4j What you're telling me is the Quran was becoming corrupted linquistically. Therefore, Allah desired only one dialect be spoken. Either way, the Quran was becoming corrupted. Even the Warsh and Hafs Qurans are not identical. Therefore, it is man who has determined what is suitable and what is not.
why should translation even change the meaning? You shall not kill - You should forgive 77 times- Gauge your eyes off if they cause you to sin- I forgive your sins- Jesus cursed the fig tree- your neck is like the tower of David- will be the same in every language. If you read in context you would know which are serious and which aren't.
The Arabic "Quran" used today in 90% + of Islamic nations (Hafs Edition) wasn't even decided on until 1924. There are over 30 other different editions that contain thousands of discrepancies, particularly some that have major doctrinal differences.
@@aria_sama6207 tajwid? There were 10 Qira'ats by the 10th century, all with major differences in them. By 1924 there were so many different recitations that scholars in Egypt made the decision to use Hafs and threw the rest in the Nile! If they were a matter of tajwid, why not let them all be used?
@@aria_sama6207 John 3:16 ESV "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 14:6 ESV Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. ❤️✝️
When I’m talking to a Muslim about the Injeel/Torah, as affirmed by in their own Quran, they will run to pointing out supposed contradictions. My immediate response is “that couldn’t be less relevant. Your Quran affirms them, whether full of contradictions or not.” Don’t take the bait. Their Quran affirms our scriptures, whether they like it or not, and they are in between a rock and a hard place to make sense of the absurdity.
Absolutely, Even their hadith literature gives more evidence against the Muslim claim of the Quran teaching corruption of the bible. Mohammad approving of a physical Torah in Sunan Abu Dawood, Book 38, Hadith 4434 is a good example.
@@JamesMoore-uq5oiThe chain of narration of Hadith is weak because it is a fabrication according to the authority of Ibn Hazm. These two transmitters of this Hadith were weakened in order 1. Hisham bin Sa'd weakened by: [Hibban, Nasai Ibn Hanbal, al Asqalani] 2. Ahmad bin Sa'eed weakened by: [Ibn Hanbal al Jawzi Al Nasai Daraqutni] As a matter of fact, Farid Responds made his own video debunking this claim. Go ahead and watch it. It is titled “[Debunked] The Prophet Accepted the Torah”
@@legendaryadam Sure, let me elaborate on how Ibn Hazm contributes to the discussion on this hadith. Ibn Hazm was known for being pretty strict in his evaluations, often labeling hadiths as weak or even fabricated based on his unique standards. But it's important to remember that his opinion is just one perspective within a broader scholarly discussion. Other scholars, like Shaykh Al-Albani, actually consider this hadith as hasan. Now, about the narrators Hisham bin Sa'd and Ahmad bin Sa'eed: it's true that they've faced criticism from some scholars. For example, Ibn Hibban and Al-Nasai pointed out some inconsistencies with Hisham bin Sa'd, but he wasn’t completely dismissed by everyone. Scholars like Al-Dhahabi noted that he was reliable in certain contexts. So, it might be a bit unfair to dismiss him outright without considering the context and other corroborating evidence. Similarly, Ahmad bin Sa'eed was criticized by figures like Ahmad ibn Hanbal for precision issues, but it’s crucial to look at his narrations alongside other evidence. In hadith science, multiple weak chains can sometimes support and strengthen a narration, especially if they align with established Islamic teachings. Scholars often consider a variety of chains and perspectives, and that's why it's essential to look at a wide range of scholarly opinions. This helps us gain a more comprehensive understanding of the hadith's authenticity and relevance. Respected scholars like Imam Al-Daraqutni, Al-Tirmidhi, and Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani also support the authenticity of Sunan Abi Dawud 4449. So, while some may argue against it, it's far from being "debunked," as your video suggests. Instead, it represents one side of the ongoing debate, showing the complexity and depth of hadith authenticity. edit: Al-Albani's rating is hasan and not sahih
The horse one is not an error, it is 100% correct. One verse says there are 40,000 stalls FOR HORSES. Period. The other says 4,000 stalls for horses AND CHARIOTS. 40k horses, 4k chariots, 10 horses per chariot. Why is 40,000 excessive? Population of Israel was several million by this point. They could easily have hundreds of thousands of horses.
thats not even the point of the video. The video creator is emphasizing the fact that small discrepancies in the bible doesn't disprove the whole faith as it is a god-given but still man copied book.
@@Aneagleyouneversawbeforecorrect, in fact that Angel may be a certain Seraphim that is mentioned multiple times in the Bible. I forgot his name but I think it started with an S.
This is actually a classic case of Muslims applying their own standards for the Quran onto the Bible without considering how the 2 books are regarding, in other words, a clear false equivalence fallacy. (Contradictions in the Quran itself and between the Qira’at aside).
They always seem to believe that we think like them. For example, they imitate things Mohammed did, even down to his clothes and beard style, then assume that Christians do the same with Jesus. While it is good to try to be like Jesus in many moral respects, we’re not supposed to imitate every single little thing he did. I’ve seen Muslims claim that they’re better followers of Jesus than Christians, since they are circumcised, don’t eat pork and pray with their heads on the ground (Jesus did that at one point but it wasn’t a regular practice), since Jesus did those things. They can be so obtuse.
@@capncake8837 They follow Jesus in all but his message. How can they be possibly better than Christians? Their “imitation” (the discrepancies aside) means nothing if they don’t follow his message, they are still disbelievers.
@@seekthetruth7074Yes but the tawrat and injeil are not the books you have. Take the gospels for example, you belive they are the eyewitness accounts of the disciples correct? However surah 5 ayat 46 tells us that the injeil Allah is referencing is what was directly revealed to Jesus pbuh. Also Allah's words are not changed people misattribute words to him as shown in surah 2 ayat 79 making the older scriptures corrupt. For example if I said 2+2=4 then you went away and told people I said 2+2=5 my words have bot changed you have misattributed words to me making the statment false doesvthat make sense?
@@seekthetruth7074 1. Allah knows best why He allowed the Tawrat and Injeel to be corrupted, but as far as I know, we believe that He left the preservation of those books to the people as a test. He then promised to preserve the Qur'an, and that is happening to this day and will happen forever. The Qur'an can not be corrupted. 2. The Tawrat and Injeel are inspired by God, but the Torah and Gospel we have today are not the Tawrat and Injeel that were sent to Musa/Moses as. and to Isa/Jesus as.
I love how most of the “contradictions” come from the Old Testament, especially from Historic Books (Solomon, Kings, Chronicles etc) and not from prophets or even the New Testament.
@@NectarLG77 actually, many state the differences in matthew, mark, luke and john. Because some texts say different stuff. Even though its just a different perspective of what happened and each writer, wrote his perspective down, and focused on different details.
@@davidkowal2670 they say the same thing. Some Muslims just fail to understand this. Same thing doesn't mean excact same words. Otherwise we would include just 1 Gospel. Each include different parts of Jesus's life, but when it comes to important parts, they all write the same
@@Dripxxl-i4k maybe. But the whole religion makes no sense. Why would Allah allow Christianity and for billions of people following a lie? Quran denies Crucifixion of Jesus Christ, which is a historic fact. There are your errors.
@@Dripxxl-i4k yet you let someone named usman to burn the other 7 copies? God also let muhammad to allow prostitution just because his army were at war (3 day marriage)?, imagine if that's your sister or your mom. You guys literally have a hadith published and some tafsirs or what not 100 years after the quran was made, while claiming it's the word of god and was easy to understand.. which you guys also cherry picked knowing those "hadiths" clearly state muhammad married a 6 year old. Really? your god allah almighty let his prophet marry a child who is playing with a doll, what a sick god
Many of these so called "contradictions" have reasonable explanations. Soloman had 40,000 stalls of horses FOR his chariots. Soloman has 4000 stalls for horse AND chariots. Not a contradiction. 4000 stalls for both horses and chariots. 10 horses per chariot (40,000 horses). If some get tired and injured, you can switch them out so your chariot remains operational. As far as the king ages, a reasonable explanation is that we are reading about a coregency. Someone can be called king at 8 years old, but in reality the mother or someone else is in charge. Later on at 18 the king would gain total control. Sometimes what appears to be a contradiction, could have a reasonable explanation.
My Muslim friend told me, "Jesus was never killed on the cross; instead, he was taken to heaven by God. It was Muhammad who suffered for humanity. He pleaded to God on behalf of humans, and God made his soul suffer for humanity and all their sins. Every day, Muhammad cried to God for humans." When I told her that was false and it seemed like they were making it look like Muhammad took Jesus's role in the story, she got upset and said she never intended to offend me. She then said, "It’s your book that is corrupted. What do you say about that?" I never got to explain because she said, "Let’s not talk about religion." Later, she sent me an apologetic Muslim video trying to prove me wrong, but we haven't talked since.
Matthew 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, inwardly they are ferocious wolves”. Jesus Christ warned us about Muhammad
They get u down this qustion rabbit hole where the way we answer only benefits them towards the next qustion until it they prove their point so we have to say after knowing what he was trying to say at the end "No actually because you didnt mention how" and it makes us look bad as we backtrack even if we're right but rarely bc the ppl they be asking be like "what's a denomination?" Instead of debating educated Christians
@@Shroom_OfficialThe Bible's biggest point about Jesus being God isn't messed up if a scribe, like a clerical officer or historian says we have 5,000 members as a boast where as if they say we have 4,000 basic member and leave out 1,000 premium members in a count elsewhere doesn't sound as cool as 5,000 total. It wouldn't hurt the numbers or effect the main narrative.
@@Orthosaur7532 Thank God in Islam we don't believe that the Quran was inspired by God but were the exact words of God. And also religions like Hinduism, Sikism, Hellenism, etc. Were inspired by God and wrote what they thought God is, how can you be sure your inspiration is correct and not theirs?
Bravo! Perfectly explained, I have always found those Muslim street preachers a bit, boisterous at times. I’d love to see you confront one in real life soon.
ANE texts also made use of symbolic value to numbers and given the Hebrew, words can have been read as numbers; “elef” as a number is 1000 but also means chief, head of something. Colin Humphreys had several pieces in Vetus Testamentum on this in 1998-2000.
It with Allah and his messenger Isa pbuh, but we no longer have a need for the injeil as surah 5 ayat 48 tells us the Quran is to be used as the supreme criterion over all other scripture. I'm aware we are not freinds but would you be so kind as to answer the "horse question"
3:40 Kings describes the number of horses FOR the chariots. Chronicles describes the number OF chariots. Just as the Mongols would bring a dozen or so remounts with them for every fighter, a chariot would have multiple horses for it. A horse can't run all day pulling a chariot. Horses would need to be swapped out. So 4,000 chariots and 40,000 horses means 10 horses per chariot. Some of which may have been for carrying supplies and not for battle. The 4,000 horses and 4,000 chariots COULD be the correct one, but it is not a requirement.
I think the problem with misreading those numerals wasn't a sleepy scribe, but perhaps a scribe with bad eyesight. After all, glasses didn't exist back then, did they?
Eehhh....sort of sort of not, glass used for eyesight did sort of exist, but sort of didn't since the quality of glass wasn't the type to be made into small eye sized pieces made in specifc per person basis.
Christian polemic: "Your book affirms our book, while contradicting it. The Qur'an is false no matter what." Islamic polemic: "But how many horses tho? And what about the KJV!" Also caught that "Where is the Injeel?" there: I think you may have been watching Avery doing some chef-work over in England. :)
The KJV reads just fine: Solomon had forty thousands stalls of horses, and four thousand stalls for his horses and chariots. No errors there. 1Kings 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen. 2 Chr 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
The problem with saying that every alleged error is a copyist error is that when you use this tactic where there is no evidence of an interpolation, then there’s no reason for someone to say that any verse in the Bible isn’t an interpolation. If anything can be a scribal error, than anything can be a scribal error, by the law of identity.
I'd be interested to hear your take on the 2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1 contradiction, where in Samuel it is said that God called David to count the Israelites while Chronicles states that Satan provoked David to perform the census. My personal takeaway was that, when Samuel was written, "demons" were referred to as "bothersome spirits of the Lord" like the one that would occasionally bother King Saul, so at the time Samuel was written, "Satan" was understood to be an agent of the Lord, like a necessary evil that exists for a good purpose, but by the time Chronicles was written, the concept of "Satan" being something separate from the Lord had been established, but I think it's still important to understand Satan as being a "spirit of the Lord" since Satan was still created by an all-knowing creator that must have known what choices Satan would make in the future, the creation of Satan was by no measure a "mistake" so it can be understood that whatever Satan does, God must allow to happen, like when the lying spirit told God about his plan to lie to King Ahab's prophets, or when Satan approached God about his plan to convert Job. I personally feel like painting Satan as a completely separate deity that somehow was never meant to be here and somehow pulled the wool over God to make the world fall sends a message like "God lost to Satan" or "God never intended for humans to exist past Adam and Eve" because that tells people that everything good about the world exists only because of Satan and not because of God. While it might be true that the current world we live, and our own existence would not have happened if Satan didn't tempt Adam and Eve, it would be wrong to suggest that God did not intend for Satan to tempt Adam and Eve, or that God didn't already know that Adam and Eve would use their free-will to choose to take the fruit of knowledge.
@@mateofamate1387 Then I would suggest you read Exodus 30:12 to 16 which talks about how a regional census must be done otherwise a King will doom Israel if he doesn't follow the rules
[2 Samuel 24:1 LSB] And again the anger of Yahweh burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah." Some translations put "he" but there is no reason for "he" to be there. God was angry with Israel and Satan or (adversary) incited David to number them. [1 Chronicles 21:1 LSB] Then Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to number Israel. Thats my take anyways.
@@matejaradivojevic3473 Dont think the question was, why was there a punishment so really not sure what you are answering. Your response has nothing to do with mine. Thanks though edit: unless you are saying God called him to do it and he did it wrong? Then are you saying God is the adversary?
@@David_Ray God told him to count the men that are able to fight which is a test to David as in Exodus 30:12-16 isn't allow as it calls on mistrust if a King doubts how many soldiers the Israel can provide. Thats why it is said he done it anyway and forgot God's decree.
muslims say that all the Bibles in the world were once rewritten. and how was this explained? After all, by the time this mohamed was firstly appeared , the Gospel had already spread very far. in their opinion, there was a secret world agency that took all Bibles from people around the world and replaced them with other rewritten copies that was completely identical to each other ? or what ? That's completely stupid, people should never listen to them
Thank you for acknowledging the contradictions and saying that the Bible is not dictated by God. I have met way too many people who just deny the existence of any contradictions and insist that the Bible was written by God Himself. It’s honestly infuriating, and seeing such self-proclaimed “devout” people deny the truth about the Bible has damaged my faith more than just about anything
I’ve heard that for the age of those kings, one of the discrepancies is when his father died vs when he actually assumed the throne, and another was the age where he assumed regency while his father was ill, vs when his father actually died and he succeeded him. Can’t remember which explanation goes to what king of Israel/Judah, but it was from The Truth Project.
Islam believes the Quran is inerrant. Christianity believes that the message contained in the Bible is inerrant. It is important to understand the distinction. An Asian tourist may ask you, "Where office post to letter go mail, tell please?" This message is incredibly corrupted, yet any native English speaker will be able to decipher the message after a few moments, "Could you please tell me where the post office is to mail a letter?" The transmission was corrupted, but 100% of the message made it through. What matters in the Bible is the message, not specific word order.
Changing the order of words or their interpretation cannot help but alter the message of any book. A sentence, yes, possibly. Thousands of interconnected sentences? No.
In a 2020 interview, conservative Islamic scholar Abu Ammaar Yasir Qadhi stated that "every single student of knowledge ... who studies ulum of Quran" knows "that the most difficult topics are ahruf and qira’at",[13] so vexing that even "the most advanced of our scholars, they are not quite fully certain how to solve all of the unanswered questions in there.",[72] and so sensitive that it "should never be brought up in public" and is "not something you discuss among the masses".[73] Qadhi quotes a hadith where a companion of Muhammad (Ubayy ibn Ka'b) is reported to have said: "'in my heart a doubt came that I hadn’t had about Islam since the days of jahil'" and goes on to implore listeners, "this is not a joke brothers and sisters. The issue of Ahruf and Qiraat has caused confusion to somebody who the prophet said if you want to listen to the Quran directly listen to Ubay. …."[74]
on the big numbers, it's also worth just pointing out that big sounding numbers were often just used in ancient texts to say there were "a lot" of a thing
Watching this as someone of the faith of Judaism, thank you for explaining everything like it was with Hebrew, it is an old language with a lot of confusing grammatical oofs (Numbers and suffixes and other things)
If a muslim ever starts nitpicking old testament numbers with me, I'll just ask them how old Aisha was when Muhammad first consummated their marriage. (She was 9)
and do people stay the same? no they dont, suprising right? 9 year olds nowadays cant even last one second in class when 9 year olds back then, they are already ready for life
and do you know why muslims can bring such arguments from the bible that even the christians are confused? because we actually respect other religions and even study it. almost impossible for you guys? now idk about you but for the people who make this video, he probably just said "nah i will just call another religious book trash" when themself dont even read their books. and they are full of hate (like you too) we as muslims are not teached to hate but respect other religions. we love jesus, more than the jews so why you guys hate us? you guys dont respect us like we do and thats a problem.
@@todekthecat2857 such a great example. Thank you for demonstrating. You must defend your perfect prophet so you end up justifying his inexcusable behavior.
@@dwight9850 Have they not travelled throughout the land so their hearts may reason, and their ears may listen? Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind. Al-hajj 46
@@dwight9850 ????? the only arguement that muslims have is that it was "normal" for the time period when it shouldn't be acceptable for anyone to abuse children at any time period.
Testify I love your content, in the first case of the guy who was 22 and then 42, I heard that one number represented his actual age and the other like his lineage, of familys age, something like that, which is actually very in line with the bible. Could you investigate that and make another video ⁉️ Thanks, and God Bless You‼️🔥
2 Samuel 24:9 1984 NIV: Joab reported the number of the fighting men to the king: In Israel there were eight hundred thousand ablebodied men who could handle a sword, and in Judah five hundred thousand. 1 Chronicles 21:5 Joab reported the number of the fighting men to David: In all Israel there were one million one hundred thousand men who could handle a sword, including four hundred and seventy thousand in Judah. Okay now I didn't actually expect that but it's prolly a translation error lol but it says INCLUDING FOUR HUNDERED THOUSAND IN JUDAH which means that they are the SAME and anybody who doesn't know the art of ROUNDING numbers will be fooled
42 is the time he reigned professionally. 22 is the time he reigned because of his father passing. He took the position, but when he was enthroned he was 42 that’s why it says he reigned for 1 year in later verses.
More than a million armed men is a massive number for a pre-industrial age army. I reckon it was probably referring to everyone who could theoretically take up the sword to fight, but fielding an army of such a size all at the same time during pre-industrial times would have dire implications for agriculture during that year and the years immediately afterwards.
The "How many warriors" question is pretty self-explanatory if you read about the extra 12 divisions containing 24 thousand men each and 12 thousand attached troops to Jerusalem.
In the Quran, there is a genuine mistake, which cannot be excused by a copyist error. The different numbers in the Bible don't affect any Christian doctrine, but in Surah 4:11-14, Allah gives the laws for inheritance, and disobeying them will lead to hell. Fair enough, if obeying them wasn't impossible in some cases. Let's say a man dies and leaves behind his parents, his 2 daughters, and his wife. The parents are supposed to get 1 sixth each, that is 1 third in total (33%). The daughters share 2 thirds (67%). The wife gets 1 eighth (12.5%). If we add all these shares together, we get 112.5%, which is impossible - unless a miracle happens, then it's fair enough.
@unidentified5390 The percentages given in the Quraan are to be followed. In many cases it can go over 100%, not just this case. You do the working out and after it goes pass 100% all shares are reduced in proportion to bring it back to 100%.
@@usaamah135 But if you reduce the shares in proportion, aren't you directly transgressing the commandment of Allah? The best answer from a Muslim perspective would be: Allah will work a miracle in sich cases.
@DominikKoppensteiner no you aren't. You are fulfilling what Allah has commanded by keeping the shares in proportion. I don't get why you brought up inheritance laws out of everything in order to try and prove that the Quraan has mistakes. You know, this youtube channel made a video about Islam apparently mistreating women but failed to bring up the aspect of inheritance. It's almost like inheritance in Islam is perfect and fair, whereas the same can't be said about Christianity. The original poster knew that and decided to choose the arguments that wouldn't backfire on him.
@@usaamah135 If you keep the shares in proportion, as you say, then you directly reduce them, so that the daughters for example no longer get 2 thirds. And the shares are a commandment of Allah, and the text does not say, that you have authority to change the shares. It says, if you disobey them, you will go to hell. Is there any text in the quran, that authorizes Muslims to change the shares in proportion, so that the daughters for example no longer receive 2 thirds? For example, if the inheritance is 24,000$, then Allah commands that the daughters get 67%, which is 16,000$. If you keep it in proportion, which I guess you do by assuming that 24,000 is 112.5% instead of the actual 100%, then the daughters get around 14.300$, which is about 60% or 3 fifths. You have effectually decreased their share from 67% to 60%, so is there any text in the Quran, that authorizes that change?
Muhammad is actually predicted heaps in the Bible (look them up, you’ll see): Galatians 1:9 Acts 20:29 Deuteronomy 18:20 Matthew 7:15 Jeremiah 23:16 Look them up and you’ll have to agree that although it doesn’t say Muhammad, it is talking about him and predicting him
I’d love for you to make a video about Jeconiah, he is mentioned in Matthew as Jesus’ ancestor, but Jeremiah Prophecied that he was cursed and no seed of his would sit on the throne of David, if you could just break this down in a way that makes sense, like you always do that’d be great!
Islam is supposildy the direct word of God. Where as our christian bible is a collection of documents compiled together which have been inspired by God. God is good. Jesus is king. Amen. Pray for the poor ignorant muslims
This argument is just stupid. His whole video, is just him agreeing that the Bible has contradictions in numbers, but because they aren't the main point, they shouldn't matter. That's... literally the whole point of the preachers. The contradictions are still there, regardless if they are the main point or not. If it was really that unimportant, it wouldn't have been there. That is why preachers use that arguement, to show the difference between the Bible and the Quran.
Over 400 contradictions in the Bible without rightly dividing. Truth is Christ proves kJB and Hope Bible Church has a right division playlist. I'm trusting in nothing but the blood of Jesus to pay for my sins to keep me out of hell. All glory to God, for good reason, in Jesus name Amen
All of the contradictions are just the different grammar or words that the different people used to tell the same story. The bible never actually had contradictions between ideas!
@@Snezzyboi rightly divide or be ashamed at judgment. If you are interested, hope Bible Church has a right division playlist and a judgment seat playlist that I would highly recommend for everyone.
@@Real_Mick3y6 👍🔥 I pray for all the Christians to grow in the knowledge of the truth so they do well at our judgment. I pray that anyone who sees this looks into what I'm saying. Hope Bible Church right division playlist is very good and also grace ambassadors, Columbus Bible Church and Richard Jordan.
I find it interesting that the majority of the Old Testament "contradictions" are just number errors in the Masoretic, which are clear in the Septuagint. I'm all for preferring Hebrew over Greek, but the Greek can be a valid proof-read. On the one hand, this argument does shoot down modern Rabbinic Judaism, because they do insist that the Tanakh is perfectly 100% preserved down to the letter, and that the errors are in the Septuagint and New Testament rather than the Masoretic. On the other hand, the fact that practically every genuine OT contradiction is a simple number, shows the extreme care the Jewish Rabbim have taken in preserving the texts. Between the careful preservation of the Masoretic, the refining answers of the Septuagint, and the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Old Testament is remarkably reliable. And although there are some questions on numbers, and a vague mention of a lion, at least it didn't think Moses was Jesus' uncle, who saved Israel from Haman.
Why don't Jews defend their holy books? Christians should focus on promoting the New Testament. We don't have to defend the Old Testament except insofar as it pre-figures the New.
What makes you think that Jews don't defend their holy books? And the New Testament asserts that very large amounts of the Old are true, and that the whole of it is true enough to be taught from (2 Timothy 3:16). Since the vast majority of our holy books (by both number of books and wordcount) are shared with the Jews, and since there are so many more Christians than there are Jews it's ridiculous for Christians to leave the job of defending our shared scriptures entirely to them.
@@stephengray1344 They don't do much defending at all. THEY need to step up and explain their books. Example: raqiya in Genesis is not a firm dome barrier, it refers to the expanse of the sky. Why don't Jews generally defend and explain the exact Hebrew meanings of the words of Genesis? I never hear Jews defend the OT. Never. Ever.
@@sliglusamelius8578 Saying that you don't personally hear Jews defend the Tanakh doesn't mean anything. How many religious Jews do you know well enough to have a good overview of what they do and don't defend their faith against? And why do you think that they should feel compelled to defend and explain the particular detail you bring up? Is it something that people are actively bringing up in an attempt to persuade people out of Judaism?
@@stephengray1344 It means quite a bit. I am very conversant with matters of faith and science discussions in the public sphere, and I have never once heard a faithful Jew discuss the OT in defense of it. Heck, the most prominent explicator of the OT texts currently is a "gentile" psychologist-professor-turned-social media figure (Jordan Peterson). Why would THAT be do you suppose? It makes no sense, sorry.
I remember arguing with King James Onlyists about the validity of other translations, and they said that only the KJV was inerrant, with proper doctrine and translation and no contradictions. I pointed out that making this the hill to die on makes us no better than Muslims. Then I sent them the original preface of the first edition King James Bible (please go read it, it’s incredible). Honestly, it made me see the KJV more favorable (as I didn’t really like it before since there is a degree of censorship). The translators include many things about why they set about authoring that version of the Bible, but they also point out that their translation has flaws. They said that they weren’t too concerned with consistent terms or communicating the full range of a word’s context, rather they were trying to make the main message UNDERSTANDABLE to the people around them, and they actually ENCOURAGED readers with scholarship to go to other editions and translations. They said that a man with many flaws may still be a virtuous man, that a man may have a crooked nose and wrinkles around his eyes and still be considered handsome, and as such, a text may have all the quirks of human error in translation but still contain in its message the Word of God. Maybe you lose some of the richness of it when you can’t understand what the original is trying to communicate word-for-word, but God’s message isn’t transformative because of how many horses Solomon had, it’s because of His sacrifice and love for us that makes us new and draws us to repentance.
Who are we to decide if the word of God has errors? I believe the KJV. Does my faith in the word of God make me evil? I’m not crazy and definitely not saying everyone who doesn’t read the KJV is going to Hell. Think critically about this issue. Can God create something perfect by using humans who sin? He brought His Son into this world through an imperfect sinner, yet He without the sinful nature due to His seed being of a woman and not the tainted blood of men. Is it preposterous to believe that God can preserve His word through imperfect sinners? The Bible isn’t about God, it is written by God. The commandments of Mount Sinai were literally written by the finger of God. Other religious texts are written in favor of their particular deity, in an attempt to only convert people to that deity. The Bible is very different. It’s the only Book that makes someone feel like they are nothing. All the other religions are humanistic in nature. I have read the preface to the 1611 King James Bible. They were against using only Hebrew and Greek. They used all translations prior to the KJV (even contemporary foreign languages) in order to gain a true understanding of the text. The Hebrews needed Hebrew, the Greeks Greek, Europeans their own languages, Africans their own, and now the East Asians need their own. Why should we, who speak English, which is now a universal language, need to learn Hebrew and Greek in order to understand the word of God? The ancient forms of those languages are dead and we cannot learn them in 100% accuracy. God, throughout time, brought His word through the world, just as He brought His Son through the world.
@@disconnecteddisconnected they were against using Hebrew and Greek because they were INACCESSIBLE. However, the authors also say that the footnotes provide alternate translations where there was ambiguity and that they ENCOURAGE readers to use a MULTITUDE of translations. Please be aware that the KJV bible was censored by the government (it does mot contain the word “tyranny” even though other contemporary translations did), and that it’s incredibly inaccessible as language has changed and we may misinterpret them-it’s translating a translation. Modern translations are very much suitable for study. We were never going to get the full depth of Scripture in the words of other languages-we can’t COMPREHEND the full depth, much less translate it-so where our own words fall short, interlinears can fill the gaps, and the Holy Spirit gives all understanding. The KJV is not the best-it is good, as it contains the word of God, but it contains an abundance of mistranslations as well (I know of a website that enumerates every single one, you can probably find it by looking up “KJV errors”). That’s okay, because even when the individual words aren’t exactly right, the content is still 100% good and true, like the translators said in the preface. Your logic is sadly dangerous. It’s the same logic that overtook evangelical circles in Brazil, and now there is only one translation that most people know of, the Almeida Version. It has been modified, but I’ve tried reading it and it’s awkward, with overly formal language and outdated vocabulary. My mother won’t even open her Portuguese bible anymore, she speaks English as a second language but she always prefers to use the ESV because it speaks in a way that is approachable.
@@silverforestryThe “tyrant” issue has nothing to do with the KJV. The KJV used the word “oppressor” and “terrible.” Those are stronger words than tyrant.
I honestly prefer NET, as someone who has the Bible in Greek language NET is the most easiest translation for people whose native language isn't English.
This is not how we bring more Muslims into the Christian faith. We insult their Prophet by drawing disrespectful images of him and insult them by portraying them as weird wojaks and ourselves as chads. This isn't preaching. Do better, testify. The video doesn't even have to be about necessarily convincing Muslims but think about it this way. A Muslim comes across this video and shuns everything in it because you insulted his entire belief system while approving your own. That was a potential soul that could have been saved. I was a Muslim once, I know this. God bless you, brother.
Yo, if its possible I'd like a video explaining what the Bible says about the ongoing conflict in the Middle East. I've read some passages such as Joel 3:1-2 and Palms 122:6 with more that I probably have not read that need some explaning. A video like this would be very helpful. Thanks. 👍
I'd say there is a explanation for Solomons horses. 1 kings 4:26 says that he has 40,000 stalls for his horses only. 2 Chronicles 9:25 says he had 4000 stalls for horses AND chariots. 40k for the horses only, and those stalls where probobly within bigger stalls that kept the chariots inside also.
Great video that brings to light the confusions And false arguments muslims have. Amazing for young believers of the one true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom is one essence and three Persons, Word coming into flesh in the Name above all Names Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Great job brothers! I thank Our God for You, Hallelujah 🙌🙌🙌❤️
If you are a young believer let not the world and the people who have been deceived by the world shake your faith. Also edify other your brothers and sisters and warn them of those deceived by false prophets. In my experience when young in faith a direct experience with one of those lost sheep who are dead set on their belief in lies can be harsh, as it sets open a direct attack for the liar/devourer, whom has already been defeated by the Blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. Know that Jesus our God is always with you because he is everywhere because he is God, and know he is an infinity times stronger and wiser than any other power, Amen Brothers and Sisters. I love you all and thank Our lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for you all❤
Chronicle says he has 4000 places for horses built, but way more riders, first king says he bought way more horses, it’s not that confusing. I think if you read both scriptures and then really pause, and then you guide the person into the truth, they are more likely to see their error and how they were manipulated. It’s important to understand that when scripture was copied it was checked more times than you can imagine and there was ceremonial bathing involved and checks and rechecks, not to mention prayer.
When you read the whole story of Ahaziah then you see that he was king then he was kidnapped and was brought back home then he became king again. That’s why there are two ages.
Welcome to the new series on Bible contradictions. I'll be focusing more on Bart Ehrman than Sheik Ketchup Bottle going forward.
Oh no, not the Muslim prophet, Bart Ehrman. :P
Chronicle says he has 4000 places for horses built, but way more riders, first king says he bought way more horses, it’s not that confusing. I think if you read both scriptures and then really pause, and then you guide the person into the truth, they are more likely to see their error and how they were manipulated. It’s important to understand that when scripture was copied it was checked more times than you can imagine and there was ceremonial bathing involved and checks and rechecks, not to mention prayer.
What does it mean for the Bible to be "inspired by God"
@@UltriLeginaXII believe God shared his insights with chosen messengers (apostles and prophets), who then wrote them down in their own words. So, different wording could express the same divine message. It's the meaning behind the words, not the words themselves, that are inspired by God. This makes sense to me because it seems more personal and relatable than God simply dictating every word.
Of course, there are exceptions where God did dictate specific words, like the Ten Commandments. But for most of the Bible, I think it's about the underlying meaning and message.
"Sheik Ketchup Bottle" is iconic
Bible : contains minor scribe errors
Quran: contains major doctrinal alternations
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The sun set in a muddy spring? 🥱
@@Zvpada huh?
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That’s what The Quran says
@@Zvpada what’s the context behind it
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That the sun set in a muddy spring of water
I like the depiction of Muhammad having red eyes. He was either incredibly high, or demonically possessed. True
he is the og coomer wojak
He definitely liked eating expired grape juice a lil to much
@@TestifyApologeticsbro💀
@@TestifyApologetics whatever that means. Real.
Even how he got his revelations is suspect. He went into a cave, an angel showed up, squeezed him, and he ran away and he wanted to end it because he thought he was demon possessed. Unlike in the Bible everytime an angel appears, “do not be afraid” is the first thing they say.
The lies come from not deeply thinking about things. It's like a bank robbery. One witness says the robber was five foot eleven and another says he was six foot two. Nobody will argue that the bank robbery never happened. That would be dumb.
You debunked your own religion. If your God is real and All Knowing then he should know the smallest details 😂
but god didn’t write the bible? humans did, and human scribes make mistakes?
@@captainblocker4324 And that makes Christianity a Man made religion
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@@Dripxxl-i4k no it makes the bible (which is part of Christianity not the whole thing) a product of secondary causes which God, even in islam, is always using.
God allows these small variants because they don't matter, the bible is a tool for strengthening faith not the bedrock on which the faith rests. If there was something truly wrong or misleading put there by the human author God didn't allow that book to be collected as part of the canon, such as the gnostic books.
“Oh my gosh, he was actually 18 instead of 8? I guess I’ll stop believing in the historical evidences, apostolic churches, multiple church councils, Pre-Christian Dead Sea scrolls, 5000 Greek manuscripts, and the Gregorian calendar.”
Said no one ever.
You're telling me a book made by people(not god like in Islam) in poor condition that can nearly make a difference with a mark?! Everyone takes the shada kiss the blackstone
@@Magister195If the Word of God cannot be corrupted in Islam, how could the Injeel be corrupted into the Bible? Bam, there goes your false prophet's false Faith.
@@Magister195if allah made the book of god in islam why are there ANY contradictions at all?
@@scout5712 guys I was saying ofcourse the bible is going to have contradiction I'm Christian
@@Magister195 mb, have a blessed day
I'm a Muslim , but this actually kinda makes sense , I will learn more about Christianity definitely and maybe convert if it's true , I am a person who follows the truth not what feels good or is easy
read the new testament then. According to the Bible Jesus claimed to be the truth, way and life. How many people claim to know with 100% confidence on what the truth, way and life really is?
I'm a christian and I truly respect you for being open minded. So huge respect to you! Wheter you find that Islam or Christianity is the truth does not matter, for I respect you for caring about the truth and not just blindly following something. So may God bless you and peace be with you no matter what!
@@Radon86lol may God bless you and lead you to the right path
@@adamstoweett6803 may god lead us all to the right path man 🙏
@@Radon86lol if only people where as open minded and truth seeking as you
Islam critiquing the “age of” anything is wild when they can’t even get the age of consent right 😂
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I love how I can always watch videos early because you post them in playlists.
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@koderamerikaner5147 oh hey its you I think this video explains what I was thinking in the previous video
“Let me prove to you that the Bible is filled with contradictions habibi.”
**Shows all of the minor contradictions that aren’t related to what we believe**
“See!? It’s filled with contradictions! Now join Islam so you can have 4 wives who can be younger than 18 and so that you can pray to Muhammad 5 times a day which is definitely not idol worship!”
"sir this is a wendy's"
Lol it doesnt matter what u believe or not 😂
If your Holy book is actually from God then you cant have minor contradiction. Its so funny how you debunked your own religion
@@Dripxxl-i4kthat actually not the case. The Christian position is that these texts were sent from God and their original texts (the autographs) were without error with each other. However minor errors popped up when these perfect books were copied, as the copyists were imperfect. So minor contradictions like these don’t pose an issue unless it can be proven to be part of the original text, which variations in manuscripts as outlined in the video disprove.
@@Dripxxl-i4k we don't believe Bible was directly sent by God. The bible is a book INSPIRED by God and WRITTEN in the language of men. Because men are not perfect it will contain some minor errors or even some of the author's own personal biases, but God's main message is not contradicted
@drip engage with the arguments presented in the video
The Bible possesses human error, the Quran possesses spiritual error.
Very convenient.
Both religions tell people to pray and give away their energy so the spirituality in both religions are corrupted.
Why would an almighty God demand worship?
Maybe cause it not actually God talking to you?
Oh I get it, maybe it is a demon
@@Mert-or4pz show me where in the Bible that God “DEMANDED” us to worship him? People praise and pray to Him because He is the Creator of everything just like you talking to your parents, asking for advices and needs. God is holy, perfect, almighty, unchanged and infinity unlike a demon is just a creature being and in fact, is a fallen angel who was also created by God Himself .I hope that you will find the truth soon and I wil pray for you. Repent and turn to Jesus Christ, accept Him as your saviour. He died for our sins and rose from the death so whoever believes in Him will be saved. God loves you! Amen
@@Mert-or4pzbecause humans are made for worship, and if not worshiping the true god, will default to idolatry.
The thing to remember about dawah (Muslim apologetics) is that it doesn't operate according to western standards of intellectual discourse. It relies much more on bravado and passion than simple "if A, then B". A Muslim argument can be completely vacuous but if the apologist says it with enough energy and conviction, Muslim listeners will take it seriously.
@@stevej71393 I agree with this. They way they have a discourse much more of the dominant tone "boohoo you're wrong, I win you lose". The kind of discourse that I like was from AskCliffe where he ends the conversation with "either I'm wrong or you're wrong. You should re-read both books and decide yourself" that is proper discourse. Discourse supposed to be both party stand on middle ground but Muslims usually treat it like its tug of war.
I wonder if they'd be enamoured by Christian charistmatic apologists then hehe.
To be fair some "Christian" apologetics works like this too, aka the evangelicals and creationists. In quotes because I wouldn't even count those people as Christians (and I'm an atheist)
@@wtfboom4585 And atheists have a long and rich tradition of doing that - shunning the unbeliever.
Christianity is a religion of Truth. Christ said "I am the Truth" and this is an important part of understanding Christianity - devotion to objective truth is an important first principle in understanding the faith.
Sometimes that quest for truth takes us outside our comfort zones. The true Christian response, as the thread implies, is to weigh the evidence and make reasoned arguments, as opposed to taking the Muslim approach of passionately doubling down on fallacies.
This is why the people who tend to get upset about the treatment of people like Velikovsky probably at least have a Christian upbringing. When Graham Hancock starts talking, all the scientists do is shun the unbeliever, but those who want truth are hearing something different - we're hearing Hancock repeatedly give litanies of other people the scientific community have shunned rather than listen. We hear Muslims shouting someone down.
To be honest I'm not a fan of Kent Hovind, and he definitely subscribes to some theology I categorically disagree with - but when I hear his argument on creationism, he makes some convincing points. In particular, his point about how the lost P-38 squadron kinda destroys the veracity of the Greenland ice core samples, or his examples of fast fossilization.
Likewise, the most mouth-frothing evangelicals have *something* to offer.
You might not want to sit through it, but the decent thing to do is to admit that you don't want to spend the time sifting through it, rather than dismiss it entirely.
But shunning the unbeliever when you also profess not to be one... that makes the least sense of all.
These arguments are in a sense the embodiment of what the Lord said about 'straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel'. The alleged discrepancies between the Books of the Kings and the Books of the Chronicles can be solved by understanding the difference in the emphasis between them. Samuel and Kings are told as history in general where Chronicles is the history with emphasis on the spiritual aspect of it. Besides Islam has far more obvious contradictions in the Qu 'ran than supposed errors in Scripture.
OH NOOOOO, I cant believe Jesus rose from the tomb if two different accounts for the age of Ahazaiah say different numbers
that's true, allahuhawktuah
@@justvelvet15 dawg 😭
How can you trust a book with mistakes? How do you know the rest is not mistaken?
@@Traditionisticif anyone has ever made a mistake teaching arabic do you not trust arabic?
@@candypower9988 I don't trust a book that claims it's from God yet has errors.
3:40 is not neccessarily a copyist error. One text says, he had 40,000 stalls of horses FOR his chariots, and the other says he had 4,000 stalls of horses AND chariots. That would mean, that he had 10 extra stalls of reserve horses for each stall of horses with chariots.
Exactly right
Something weird ive noticed when talking to a Muslim recently in a comment section, is he keeps quoting the Coran at me and asking "well, what's the problem? We believe basically the same thing, Jesus didnt die, and he didnt say you follow him or go to hell"
And I keep trying to tell him, no the bible literally says those things arent true, so we do disagree on that. Like he's trying to gaslight me into thinking that Coran is more authoritative to the bible even though im a Christian.
Really weird.
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What's more bizarre is their explanation for the Quran. Muslims claim God's words cannot be corrupted, yet they simultaneously claim his previous words had to be corrupted to set the stage for the Quran.
The other is the claim of the gospels not being written until decades after Jesus. They overlook the Quranic version of Jesus was written centuries later. No first witnesses on that edition in any regard. The Quran is as much about Muhammad as Allah whereas the Bible is basically about Jesus.
@@MsJfraser God only gave the seal of protection to the Quran
Allah, the Almighty, says in the Quran: “Indeed, it is We who sent down the Quran, and indeed, We will be its guardian.” (Surah Al-Hijr, 15:9). This verse is a testament to the divine promise that the Quran will remain unchanged and preserved in its original form. And the oldest Bible present codex sinaiticus which came after 400 years after the resurrection of Jesus and Islam in 630 A.D so only a difference of 200 years.
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Allah can only protect what he personally delivers in person. Otherwise, it is left to dedicated individuals to maintain its accuracy. Otherwise, Muhammad dictated from memory and dictated to others to write down. Caliph Uthman had the Quran rewritten and destroyed all existing copies to the greatest extent possible. Why would he need to do that if Allah's words cannot be corrupted? Do you even hear yourself?
@@MsJfraser Utman burned the Quran because as you may know Arabic has many dialects and each dialect had different grammar to avoid confusion Caliph Utman Ibn Affan burned the Quran and issued the standardized version which was the original text nothing new.
We can prove this form The Birmingham Quran Manuscript which is an exact word to word copy of the Modern day Quran and was written when Muhammad was alive.
And also the reason why Allah tells that Quran cannot be corrupted is because people memorize it and can easily identify a mistake.
And if God has given his guarantee that this book will not change it surely won't.
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What you're telling me is the Quran was becoming corrupted linquistically. Therefore, Allah desired only one dialect be spoken. Either way, the Quran was becoming corrupted. Even the Warsh and Hafs Qurans are not identical. Therefore, it is man who has determined what is suitable and what is not.
The Bible is like the STOP sign in the traffic: it may be written in lots of different languages, but their meaning are all the same.
why should translation even change the meaning?
You shall not kill -
You should forgive 77 times-
Gauge your eyes off if they cause you to sin-
I forgive your sins-
Jesus cursed the fig tree-
your neck is like the tower of David-
will be the same in every language. If you read in context you would know which are serious and which aren't.
@@flaviofr4v0 Stop sinning, that is :)
Bro your content is just gold, I wish your channel was bigger fr. you strengthened my faith a lot.
The Arabic "Quran" used today in 90% + of Islamic nations (Hafs Edition) wasn't even decided on until 1924. There are over 30 other different editions that contain thousands of discrepancies, particularly some that have major doctrinal differences.
@@Lord9Genesis they're all the same the writing style and tajweed are different that's is
@@aria_sama6207 tajwid? There were 10 Qira'ats by the 10th century, all with major differences in them. By 1924 there were so many different recitations that scholars in Egypt made the decision to use Hafs and threw the rest in the Nile! If they were a matter of tajwid, why not let them all be used?
@@Lord9Genesis people can still use them if they want thou ,you won't go to prison if you use a different Qiraa
@@aria_sama6207 John 3:16 ESV
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 14:6 ESV
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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Wait so literally their doctrines as they are now have only existed for around 100 years. Barely two generations or so?
When I’m talking to a Muslim about the Injeel/Torah, as affirmed by in their own Quran, they will run to pointing out supposed contradictions.
My immediate response is “that couldn’t be less relevant. Your Quran affirms them, whether full of contradictions or not.”
Don’t take the bait. Their Quran affirms our scriptures, whether they like it or not, and they are in between a rock and a hard place to make sense of the absurdity.
Absolutely, Even their hadith literature gives more evidence against the Muslim claim of the Quran teaching corruption of the bible. Mohammad approving of a physical Torah in Sunan Abu Dawood, Book 38, Hadith 4434 is a good example.
@@JamesMoore-uq5oiThe chain of narration of Hadith is weak because it is a fabrication according to the authority of Ibn Hazm.
These two transmitters of this Hadith were weakened in order
1. Hisham bin Sa'd weakened by:
[Hibban, Nasai Ibn Hanbal, al Asqalani]
2. Ahmad bin Sa'eed weakened by: [Ibn Hanbal al Jawzi Al Nasai Daraqutni]
As a matter of fact, Farid Responds made his own video debunking this claim. Go ahead and watch it. It is titled “[Debunked] The Prophet Accepted the Torah”
@@legendaryadam Sure, let me elaborate on how Ibn Hazm contributes to the discussion on this hadith. Ibn Hazm was known for being pretty strict in his evaluations, often labeling hadiths as weak or even fabricated based on his unique standards. But it's important to remember that his opinion is just one perspective within a broader scholarly discussion. Other scholars, like Shaykh Al-Albani, actually consider this hadith as hasan.
Now, about the narrators Hisham bin Sa'd and Ahmad bin Sa'eed: it's true that they've faced criticism from some scholars. For example, Ibn Hibban and Al-Nasai pointed out some inconsistencies with Hisham bin Sa'd, but he wasn’t completely dismissed by everyone. Scholars like Al-Dhahabi noted that he was reliable in certain contexts. So, it might be a bit unfair to dismiss him outright without considering the context and other corroborating evidence. Similarly, Ahmad bin Sa'eed was criticized by figures like Ahmad ibn Hanbal for precision issues, but it’s crucial to look at his narrations alongside other evidence.
In hadith science, multiple weak chains can sometimes support and strengthen a narration, especially if they align with established Islamic teachings. Scholars often consider a variety of chains and perspectives, and that's why it's essential to look at a wide range of scholarly opinions. This helps us gain a more comprehensive understanding of the hadith's authenticity and relevance.
Respected scholars like Imam Al-Daraqutni, Al-Tirmidhi, and Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani also support the authenticity of Sunan Abi Dawud 4449. So, while some may argue against it, it's far from being "debunked," as your video suggests. Instead, it represents one side of the ongoing debate, showing the complexity and depth of hadith authenticity.
edit: Al-Albani's rating is hasan and not sahih
@@JamesMoore-uq5oi also is this generated from AI? I just ran this through some tests and this is quite embarrassing 82% AI generated
@@JamesMoore-uq5oi Also Al Albani graded the Hadith Hasan-Daif not Sahih, I just read the grading. This is embarrassing.
Gotta love finding these videos before they come out.
3:26 Skibidi toilet is so popular even testify had to get on the joke
How do you do, fellow kids?
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@@TestifyApologetics brain rot banned words💀🙏
@@TestifyApologeticsSo Sigma
Your pfp seems to contradict your username
The horse one is not an error, it is 100% correct. One verse says there are 40,000 stalls FOR HORSES. Period. The other says 4,000 stalls for horses AND CHARIOTS. 40k horses, 4k chariots, 10 horses per chariot. Why is 40,000 excessive? Population of Israel was several million by this point. They could easily have hundreds of thousands of horses.
That’s a good point that everyone misses!
thats not even the point of the video. The video creator is emphasizing the fact that small discrepancies in the bible doesn't disprove the whole faith as it is a god-given but still man copied book.
Shake Dookman is punching the air rn 😂😂😂
Actually the Bible predicted Muhammad & Joseph Smith in the same verses! It’s 2 Peter 2:1-3
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie
@@johannthedeceitful5968 lol
I think The angel who appeared before Muhammad is the same angel who appeared to Joseph Smith
@@Aneagleyouneversawbeforecorrect, in fact that Angel may be a certain Seraphim that is mentioned multiple times in the Bible. I forgot his name but I think it started with an S.
Except both are heretics so the correct term is demon
This is actually a classic case of Muslims applying their own standards for the Quran onto the Bible without considering how the 2 books are regarding, in other words, a clear false equivalence fallacy.
(Contradictions in the Quran itself and between the Qira’at aside).
They always seem to believe that we think like them. For example, they imitate things Mohammed did, even down to his clothes and beard style, then assume that Christians do the same with Jesus. While it is good to try to be like Jesus in many moral respects, we’re not supposed to imitate every single little thing he did. I’ve seen Muslims claim that they’re better followers of Jesus than Christians, since they are circumcised, don’t eat pork and pray with their heads on the ground (Jesus did that at one point but it wasn’t a regular practice), since Jesus did those things. They can be so obtuse.
@@capncake8837 They follow Jesus in all but his message.
How can they be possibly better than Christians? Their “imitation” (the discrepancies aside) means nothing if they don’t follow his message, they are still disbelievers.
3:25 never thought I would see skibidi toilet on an apologetics video
Sorry for the brainrot lol
@@TestifyApologetics no it made the video better
@@CorneliusCorndogJr😂naww Bro's already braindead
@@Shayphil what about it 😂
I became a Christian at 17 before even touching a bible so all arguments are irrelevant for me.
Read the Bible, it is one of the main the foundations of the Christian faith
@@HashiraInfernal I have a picture Bible with pages that you can color and some pages have mazes and puzzles like "connect the dots".
Even an inventory error by Luc. Fox would mean Bruce Wayne wasn't actually the Batman saving His people the whole time.
Funny thing is, when they dunk on the Bible, they also dunk on the Quran and Allah as a side effect.
@@midimusicforever we don't
Right, because the Quran claims that the words of Allah cannot be altered, and the Tawrat (Torah) and Injil (Gospel) are inspired by Allah
@@seekthetruth7074Yes but the tawrat and injeil are not the books you have. Take the gospels for example, you belive they are the eyewitness accounts of the disciples correct? However surah 5 ayat 46 tells us that the injeil Allah is referencing is what was directly revealed to Jesus pbuh.
Also Allah's words are not changed people misattribute words to him as shown in surah 2 ayat 79 making the older scriptures corrupt. For example if I said 2+2=4 then you went away and told people I said 2+2=5 my words have bot changed you have misattributed words to me making the statment false doesvthat make sense?
@@seekthetruth7074 1. Allah knows best why He allowed the Tawrat and Injeel to be corrupted, but as far as I know, we believe that He left the preservation of those books to the people as a test. He then promised to preserve the Qur'an, and that is happening to this day and will happen forever. The Qur'an can not be corrupted.
2. The Tawrat and Injeel are inspired by God, but the Torah and Gospel we have today are not the Tawrat and Injeel that were sent to Musa/Moses as. and to Isa/Jesus as.
@@hhermon6415 Quran 5:46, QURAN 5:66, Quran 3:48 LOL the “injil” is quite literally a book my guy your contradicting you religion
I love how most of the “contradictions” come from the Old Testament, especially from Historic Books (Solomon, Kings, Chronicles etc) and not from prophets or even the New Testament.
@@NectarLG77 actually, many state the differences in matthew, mark, luke and john. Because some texts say different stuff.
Even though its just a different perspective of what happened and each writer, wrote his perspective down, and focused on different details.
@@davidkowal2670 they say the same thing. Some Muslims just fail to understand this. Same thing doesn't mean excact same words. Otherwise we would include just 1 Gospel. Each include different parts of Jesus's life, but when it comes to important parts, they all write the same
Sheikh Ibn Footnote's favourite tactic
Watching this gives me joy 😊
I think Muslims don't realize people can point out contradictions in their texts also
Theres no contradiction in Quran
@@Dripxxl-i4ksee what we mean?
@@Dripxxl-i4k maybe. But the whole religion makes no sense. Why would Allah allow Christianity and for billions of people following a lie? Quran denies Crucifixion of Jesus Christ, which is a historic fact. There are your errors.
@@CodeAndSuccess Stupid statement. Why Jesus allow billions of Muslims follow a lie
If everyone follows the right path whats the purpose of hell
@@Dripxxl-i4k yet you let someone named usman to burn the other 7 copies? God also let muhammad to allow prostitution just because his army were at war (3 day marriage)?, imagine if that's your sister or your mom. You guys literally have a hadith published and some tafsirs or what not 100 years after the quran was made, while claiming it's the word of god and was easy to understand.. which you guys also cherry picked knowing those "hadiths" clearly state muhammad married a 6 year old. Really? your god allah almighty let his prophet marry a child who is playing with a doll, what a sick god
Glory To The Triune GOD
Many of these so called "contradictions" have reasonable explanations.
Soloman had 40,000 stalls of horses FOR his chariots.
Soloman has 4000 stalls for horse AND chariots.
Not a contradiction. 4000 stalls for both horses and chariots. 10 horses per chariot (40,000 horses). If some get tired and injured, you can switch them out so your chariot remains operational.
As far as the king ages, a reasonable explanation is that we are reading about a coregency. Someone can be called king at 8 years old, but in reality the mother or someone else is in charge. Later on at 18 the king would gain total control.
Sometimes what appears to be a contradiction, could have a reasonable explanation.
Love your user of Skibidi 😂 I never thought it could be redeemed but that is perfect! Thanks for your hard work ❤🔥
For all these little "errors" there's several reasonable explanations even without accepting scribal miscopying
My Muslim friend told me, "Jesus was never killed on the cross; instead, he was taken to heaven by God. It was Muhammad who suffered for humanity. He pleaded to God on behalf of humans, and God made his soul suffer for humanity and all their sins. Every day, Muhammad cried to God for humans." When I told her that was false and it seemed like they were making it look like Muhammad took Jesus's role in the story, she got upset and said she never intended to offend me. She then said, "It’s your book that is corrupted. What do you say about that?" I never got to explain because she said, "Let’s not talk about religion." Later, she sent me an apologetic Muslim video trying to prove me wrong, but we haven't talked since.
Lol, what muslim said that?
All you can do is pray for her
Matthew 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, inwardly they are ferocious wolves”. Jesus Christ warned us about Muhammad
They get u down this qustion rabbit hole where the way we answer only benefits them towards the next qustion until it they prove their point so we have to say after knowing what he was trying to say at the end "No actually because you didnt mention how" and it makes us look bad as we backtrack even if we're right but rarely bc the ppl they be asking be like "what's a denomination?" Instead of debating educated Christians
0:36 because Batman is Bruce Wayne even if a clerical error happens inside Wayne Manor regarding temp workers versus all seasonal workers.
What? Please rephrase
@@Shroom_OfficialThe Bible's biggest point about Jesus being God isn't messed up if a scribe, like a clerical officer or historian says we have 5,000 members as a boast where as if they say we have 4,000 basic member and leave out 1,000 premium members in a count elsewhere doesn't sound as cool as 5,000 total. It wouldn't hurt the numbers or effect the main narrative.
@@MessianicJewJitsu please just go watch this guys other videos, his entire channel is about how you can trust the Bible.
@@Shroom_Official that's what I'm agreeing with.
@@MessianicJewJitsu oh, your comments sounded like you were trying to claim the Bible was false. Mb, I still hadn't fully understood
Good thing our word of God isn’t the Bible it’s Jesus and he’s perfect😌(John 1/john 1:14)
You dont worship bible. But you believe Bible is sent by God. Whats the difference 😂
@@Dripxxl-i4k No we don't. It was inspired by Him, but not written or "sent". Bogus
@@Dripxxl-i4k It wasn't, for example, The gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written by those disciples
@@Orthosaur7532 Thank God in Islam we don't believe that the Quran was inspired by God but were the exact words of God. And also religions like Hinduism, Sikism, Hellenism, etc. Were inspired by God and wrote what they thought God is, how can you be sure your inspiration is correct and not theirs?
@@Zeditzz-e4j Because Jesus verified it.
The Quaran has so many errors and contradictions. I mean it’s no surprise since the author Satan isn’t omniscient.
Bravo! Perfectly explained, I have always found those Muslim street preachers a bit, boisterous at times. I’d love to see you confront one in real life soon.
Not likely to happen. He wouldn't stand toe to toe in a debate.
ANE texts also made use of symbolic value to numbers and given the Hebrew, words can have been read as numbers; “elef” as a number is 1000 but also means chief, head of something. Colin Humphreys had several pieces in Vetus Testamentum on this in 1998-2000.
Everyone that tells me it contains error expects me to say "nuh uh" but i say "show me ill research" and they run
If my Muslim friends tell me where this injeel is, then I'll answer the horses question.
It with Allah and his messenger Isa pbuh, but we no longer have a need for the injeil as surah 5 ayat 48 tells us the Quran is to be used as the supreme criterion over all other scripture. I'm aware we are not freinds but would you be so kind as to answer the "horse question"
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3:40 Kings describes the number of horses FOR the chariots. Chronicles describes the number OF chariots. Just as the Mongols would bring a dozen or so remounts with them for every fighter, a chariot would have multiple horses for it. A horse can't run all day pulling a chariot. Horses would need to be swapped out. So 4,000 chariots and 40,000 horses means 10 horses per chariot. Some of which may have been for carrying supplies and not for battle.
The 4,000 horses and 4,000 chariots COULD be the correct one, but it is not a requirement.
If I have 100 books, I also have 10 books.
I think the problem with misreading those numerals wasn't a sleepy scribe, but perhaps a scribe with bad eyesight. After all, glasses didn't exist back then, did they?
Eehhh....sort of sort of not, glass used for eyesight did sort of exist, but sort of didn't since the quality of glass wasn't the type to be made into small eye sized pieces made in specifc per person basis.
Christian polemic: "Your book affirms our book, while contradicting it. The Qur'an is false no matter what."
Islamic polemic: "But how many horses tho? And what about the KJV!"
Also caught that "Where is the Injeel?" there: I think you may have been watching Avery doing some chef-work over in England. :)
The KJV reads just fine: Solomon had forty thousands stalls of horses, and four thousand stalls for his horses and chariots. No errors there.
1Kings 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
2 Chr 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
The problem with saying that every alleged error is a copyist error is that when you use this tactic where there is no evidence of an interpolation, then there’s no reason for someone to say that any verse in the Bible isn’t an interpolation. If anything can be a scribal error, than anything can be a scribal error, by the law of identity.
I'd be interested to hear your take on the 2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1 contradiction, where in Samuel it is said that God called David to count the Israelites while Chronicles states that Satan provoked David to perform the census. My personal takeaway was that, when Samuel was written, "demons" were referred to as "bothersome spirits of the Lord" like the one that would occasionally bother King Saul, so at the time Samuel was written, "Satan" was understood to be an agent of the Lord, like a necessary evil that exists for a good purpose, but by the time Chronicles was written, the concept of "Satan" being something separate from the Lord had been established, but I think it's still important to understand Satan as being a "spirit of the Lord" since Satan was still created by an all-knowing creator that must have known what choices Satan would make in the future, the creation of Satan was by no measure a "mistake" so it can be understood that whatever Satan does, God must allow to happen, like when the lying spirit told God about his plan to lie to King Ahab's prophets, or when Satan approached God about his plan to convert Job. I personally feel like painting Satan as a completely separate deity that somehow was never meant to be here and somehow pulled the wool over God to make the world fall sends a message like "God lost to Satan" or "God never intended for humans to exist past Adam and Eve" because that tells people that everything good about the world exists only because of Satan and not because of God. While it might be true that the current world we live, and our own existence would not have happened if Satan didn't tempt Adam and Eve, it would be wrong to suggest that God did not intend for Satan to tempt Adam and Eve, or that God didn't already know that Adam and Eve would use their free-will to choose to take the fruit of knowledge.
@@mateofamate1387 Then I would suggest you read Exodus 30:12 to 16 which talks about how a regional census must be done otherwise a King will doom Israel if he doesn't follow the rules
[2 Samuel 24:1 LSB] And again the anger of Yahweh burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah." Some translations put "he" but there is no reason for "he" to be there. God was angry with Israel and Satan or (adversary) incited David to number them. [1 Chronicles 21:1 LSB] Then Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to number Israel. Thats my take anyways.
@@David_Ray I already answered him, and the answer also implies to you
@@matejaradivojevic3473 Dont think the question was, why was there a punishment so really not sure what you are answering. Your response has nothing to do with mine. Thanks though edit: unless you are saying God called him to do it and he did it wrong? Then are you saying God is the adversary?
@@David_Ray God told him to count the men that are able to fight which is a test to David as in Exodus 30:12-16 isn't allow as it calls on mistrust if a King doubts how many soldiers the Israel can provide. Thats why it is said he done it anyway and forgot God's decree.
They always go for the Old Testament too
Imagine starting an argument from "we don't know if the bible is accurate" and then building up on that. 😅
muslims say that all the Bibles in the world were once rewritten. and how was this explained? After all, by the time this mohamed was firstly appeared , the Gospel had already spread very far. in their opinion, there was a secret world agency that took all Bibles from people around the world and replaced them with other rewritten copies that was completely identical to each other ? or what ? That's completely stupid, people should never listen to them
Thank you for acknowledging the contradictions and saying that the Bible is not dictated by God. I have met way too many people who just deny the existence of any contradictions and insist that the Bible was written by God Himself. It’s honestly infuriating, and seeing such self-proclaimed “devout” people deny the truth about the Bible has damaged my faith more than just about anything
I’ve heard that for the age of those kings, one of the discrepancies is when his father died vs when he actually assumed the throne, and another was the age where he assumed regency while his father was ill, vs when his father actually died and he succeeded him. Can’t remember which explanation goes to what king of Israel/Judah, but it was from The Truth Project.
Islam believes the Quran is inerrant.
Christianity believes that the message contained in the Bible is inerrant.
It is important to understand the distinction.
An Asian tourist may ask you, "Where office post to letter go mail, tell please?" This message is incredibly corrupted, yet any native English speaker will be able to decipher the message after a few moments, "Could you please tell me where the post office is to mail a letter?" The transmission was corrupted, but 100% of the message made it through. What matters in the Bible is the message, not specific word order.
Changing the order of words or their interpretation cannot help but alter the message of any book. A sentence, yes, possibly. Thousands of interconnected sentences? No.
In a 2020 interview, conservative Islamic scholar Abu Ammaar Yasir Qadhi stated that "every single student of knowledge ... who studies ulum of Quran" knows "that the most difficult topics are ahruf and qira’at",[13] so vexing that even "the most advanced of our scholars, they are not quite fully certain how to solve all of the unanswered questions in there.",[72] and so sensitive that it "should never be brought up in public" and is "not something you discuss among the masses".[73] Qadhi quotes a hadith where a companion of Muhammad (Ubayy ibn Ka'b) is reported to have said: "'in my heart a doubt came that I hadn’t had about Islam since the days of jahil'" and goes on to implore listeners, "this is not a joke brothers and sisters. The issue of Ahruf and Qiraat has caused confusion to somebody who the prophet said if you want to listen to the Quran directly listen to Ubay. …."[74]
Bro just happened to be watching the playlist then i randomly fell into this video. Also can you go over more old testament things
on the big numbers, it's also worth just pointing out that big sounding numbers were often just used in ancient texts to say there were "a lot" of a thing
Without lies, Islam dies
Npc saying the same sh.. over and over again how does it feel to be a comment bot?
@@philtanics1082 Christianity*
Amen
Watching this as someone of the faith of Judaism, thank you for explaining everything like it was with Hebrew, it is an old language with a lot of confusing grammatical oofs (Numbers and suffixes and other things)
If a muslim ever starts nitpicking old testament numbers with me, I'll just ask them how old Aisha was when Muhammad first consummated their marriage. (She was 9)
oh wow so fricking original
aint every country have different requirement of marriage? so why the rules back then must be the same as today?
and do people stay the same? no they dont, suprising right? 9 year olds nowadays cant even last one second in class when 9 year olds back then, they are already ready for life
and do you know why muslims can bring such arguments from the bible that even the christians are confused? because we actually respect other religions and even study it. almost impossible for you guys? now idk about you but for the people who make this video, he probably just said "nah i will just call another religious book trash" when themself dont even read their books. and they are full of hate (like you too) we as muslims are not teached to hate but respect other religions. we love jesus, more than the jews so why you guys hate us? you guys dont respect us like we do and thats a problem.
@@todekthecat2857 such a great example. Thank you for demonstrating. You must defend your perfect prophet so you end up justifying his inexcusable behavior.
I love how these Muslim apologists' whole argument is "If Christianity is wrong, then Islam is true."
please don't be like special and talk like a human for once
I just ask them how old is Aisha so they won't bother me
Try Going back to the 7th century or further back and ask people there if it's not normal.
@@dwight9850 Have they not travelled throughout the land so their hearts may reason, and their ears may listen? Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind. Al-hajj 46
@oiefewjlijk-bw7bo so you're saying PDFiles are fine?
@@dwight9850 ????? the only arguement that muslims have is that it was "normal" for the time period when it shouldn't be acceptable for anyone to abuse children at any time period.
@@TheNitpicker-jp7lc You're criticizing and judging people in the past for doing something that's not ordinary in your time. It's ridiculous.
Testify I love your content, in the first case of the guy who was 22 and then 42, I heard that one number represented his actual age and the other like his lineage, of familys age, something like that, which is actually very in line with the bible. Could you investigate that and make another video ⁉️ Thanks, and God Bless You‼️🔥
2 Samuel 24:9 1984 NIV: Joab reported the number of the
fighting men to the king: In Israel there
were eight hundred thousand ablebodied
men who could handle a sword,
and in Judah five hundred thousand.
1 Chronicles 21:5 Joab reported the number of the
fighting men to David: In all Israel there
were one million one hundred thousand
men who could handle a sword,
including four hundred and seventy
thousand in Judah.
Okay now I didn't actually expect that but it's prolly a translation error lol but it says INCLUDING FOUR HUNDERED THOUSAND IN JUDAH which means that they are the SAME and anybody who doesn't know the art of ROUNDING numbers will be fooled
42 is the time he reigned professionally. 22 is the time he reigned because of his father passing. He took the position, but when he was enthroned he was 42 that’s why it says he reigned for 1 year in later verses.
4:15 the hand here has 6 fingers
I know see it thx
More than a million armed men is a massive number for a pre-industrial age army. I reckon it was probably referring to everyone who could theoretically take up the sword to fight, but fielding an army of such a size all at the same time during pre-industrial times would have dire implications for agriculture during that year and the years immediately afterwards.
@Waldemarvonanhalt patrician pfp bro
1:00 please talk about this
The "How many warriors" question is pretty self-explanatory if you read about the extra 12 divisions containing 24 thousand men each and 12 thousand attached troops to Jerusalem.
In the Quran, there is a genuine mistake, which cannot be excused by a copyist error. The different numbers in the Bible don't affect any Christian doctrine, but in Surah 4:11-14, Allah gives the laws for inheritance, and disobeying them will lead to hell. Fair enough, if obeying them wasn't impossible in some cases. Let's say a man dies and leaves behind his parents, his 2 daughters, and his wife. The parents are supposed to get 1 sixth each, that is 1 third in total (33%). The daughters share 2 thirds (67%). The wife gets 1 eighth (12.5%). If we add all these shares together, we get 112.5%, which is impossible - unless a miracle happens, then it's fair enough.
What answers do Muslims usually give to this objection?
@unidentified5390 The percentages given in the Quraan are to be followed. In many cases it can go over 100%, not just this case. You do the working out and after it goes pass 100% all shares are reduced in proportion to bring it back to 100%.
@@usaamah135 But if you reduce the shares in proportion, aren't you directly transgressing the commandment of Allah?
The best answer from a Muslim perspective would be: Allah will work a miracle in sich cases.
@DominikKoppensteiner no you aren't. You are fulfilling what Allah has commanded by keeping the shares in proportion. I don't get why you brought up inheritance laws out of everything in order to try and prove that the Quraan has mistakes. You know, this youtube channel made a video about Islam apparently mistreating women but failed to bring up the aspect of inheritance. It's almost like inheritance in Islam is perfect and fair, whereas the same can't be said about Christianity. The original poster knew that and decided to choose the arguments that wouldn't backfire on him.
@@usaamah135 If you keep the shares in proportion, as you say, then you directly reduce them, so that the daughters for example no longer get 2 thirds. And the shares are a commandment of Allah, and the text does not say, that you have authority to change the shares. It says, if you disobey them, you will go to hell. Is there any text in the quran, that authorizes Muslims to change the shares in proportion, so that the daughters for example no longer receive 2 thirds?
For example, if the inheritance is 24,000$, then Allah commands that the daughters get 67%, which is 16,000$. If you keep it in proportion, which I guess you do by assuming that 24,000 is 112.5% instead of the actual 100%, then the daughters get around 14.300$, which is about 60% or 3 fifths. You have effectually decreased their share from 67% to 60%, so is there any text in the Quran, that authorizes that change?
It makes it seem more honest that the disciples got confused on whether the crow cocked 2 or 3 times because it’s human memory
Muhammad is actually predicted heaps in the Bible (look them up, you’ll see):
Galatians 1:9
Acts 20:29
Deuteronomy 18:20
Matthew 7:15
Jeremiah 23:16
Look them up and you’ll have to agree that although it doesn’t say Muhammad, it is talking about him and predicting him
Galatians 1:8
Islam is FALSE!
@@nusuntbrichetacuantivant Congratulations on missing the point
So a guy who came 600 years after can 'predict' the bible?
All those verses talks about false prophets
I’d love for you to make a video about Jeconiah, he is mentioned in Matthew as Jesus’ ancestor, but Jeremiah Prophecied that he was cursed and no seed of his would sit on the throne of David, if you could just break this down in a way that makes sense, like you always do that’d be great!
Islam is supposildy the direct word of God.
Where as our christian bible is a collection of documents compiled together which have been inspired by God.
God is good.
Jesus is king.
Amen.
Pray for the poor ignorant muslims
Keeping numbers must have been a nightmare before they added 0...
This argument is just stupid. His whole video, is just him agreeing that the Bible has contradictions in numbers, but because they aren't the main point, they shouldn't matter.
That's... literally the whole point of the preachers. The contradictions are still there, regardless if they are the main point or not. If it was really that unimportant, it wouldn't have been there. That is why preachers use that arguement, to show the difference between the Bible and the Quran.
But it really doesn't make any difference. It's not self-contradicting as the Quran
@@HashiraInfernal Your first sentence is repeating what the video said. Your second sentence is nonsense. Where does the Quran contradict?
Jesus is the word of god, the bible is just our best record of him, his story, and his foretelling.
Over 400 contradictions in the Bible without rightly dividing. Truth is Christ proves kJB and Hope Bible Church has a right division playlist. I'm trusting in nothing but the blood of Jesus to pay for my sins to keep me out of hell. All glory to God, for good reason, in Jesus name Amen
400 tho
All of the contradictions are just the different grammar or words that the different people used to tell the same story.
The bible never actually had contradictions between ideas!
@@Snezzyboi rightly divide or be ashamed at judgment. If you are interested, hope Bible Church has a right division playlist and a judgment seat playlist that I would highly recommend for everyone.
Huh
@@Real_Mick3y6 👍🔥 I pray for all the Christians to grow in the knowledge of the truth so they do well at our judgment. I pray that anyone who sees this looks into what I'm saying. Hope Bible Church right division playlist is very good and also grace ambassadors, Columbus Bible Church and Richard Jordan.
I find it interesting that the majority of the Old Testament "contradictions" are just number errors in the Masoretic, which are clear in the Septuagint. I'm all for preferring Hebrew over Greek, but the Greek can be a valid proof-read.
On the one hand, this argument does shoot down modern Rabbinic Judaism, because they do insist that the Tanakh is perfectly 100% preserved down to the letter, and that the errors are in the Septuagint and New Testament rather than the Masoretic. On the other hand, the fact that practically every genuine OT contradiction is a simple number, shows the extreme care the Jewish Rabbim have taken in preserving the texts.
Between the careful preservation of the Masoretic, the refining answers of the Septuagint, and the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Old Testament is remarkably reliable. And although there are some questions on numbers, and a vague mention of a lion, at least it didn't think Moses was Jesus' uncle, who saved Israel from Haman.
Why don't Jews defend their holy books? Christians should focus on promoting the New Testament. We don't have to defend the Old Testament except insofar as it pre-figures the New.
What makes you think that Jews don't defend their holy books? And the New Testament asserts that very large amounts of the Old are true, and that the whole of it is true enough to be taught from (2 Timothy 3:16). Since the vast majority of our holy books (by both number of books and wordcount) are shared with the Jews, and since there are so many more Christians than there are Jews it's ridiculous for Christians to leave the job of defending our shared scriptures entirely to them.
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They don't do much defending at all. THEY need to step up and explain their books. Example: raqiya in Genesis is not a firm dome barrier, it refers to the expanse of the sky. Why don't Jews generally defend and explain the exact Hebrew meanings of the words of Genesis? I never hear Jews defend the OT. Never. Ever.
@@sliglusamelius8578they care a lot more about the Talmud than the Tanakh
@@sliglusamelius8578 Saying that you don't personally hear Jews defend the Tanakh doesn't mean anything. How many religious Jews do you know well enough to have a good overview of what they do and don't defend their faith against? And why do you think that they should feel compelled to defend and explain the particular detail you bring up? Is it something that people are actively bringing up in an attempt to persuade people out of Judaism?
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It means quite a bit. I am very conversant with matters of faith and science discussions in the public sphere, and I have never once heard a faithful Jew discuss the OT in defense of it.
Heck, the most prominent explicator of the OT texts currently is a "gentile" psychologist-professor-turned-social media figure (Jordan Peterson). Why would THAT be do you suppose? It makes no sense, sorry.
Another point... Not everything in the bible is supposed to be literal. 40 thousand horses is more likely meant to be a sign of great wealth or power.
I cant wait for the salty muslims to see this and start commenting without even watching the video. lol
I remember arguing with King James Onlyists about the validity of other translations, and they said that only the KJV was inerrant, with proper doctrine and translation and no contradictions. I pointed out that making this the hill to die on makes us no better than Muslims. Then I sent them the original preface of the first edition King James Bible (please go read it, it’s incredible). Honestly, it made me see the KJV more favorable (as I didn’t really like it before since there is a degree of censorship).
The translators include many things about why they set about authoring that version of the Bible, but they also point out that their translation has flaws. They said that they weren’t too concerned with consistent terms or communicating the full range of a word’s context, rather they were trying to make the main message UNDERSTANDABLE to the people around them, and they actually ENCOURAGED readers with scholarship to go to other editions and translations. They said that a man with many flaws may still be a virtuous man, that a man may have a crooked nose and wrinkles around his eyes and still be considered handsome, and as such, a text may have all the quirks of human error in translation but still contain in its message the Word of God. Maybe you lose some of the richness of it when you can’t understand what the original is trying to communicate word-for-word, but God’s message isn’t transformative because of how many horses Solomon had, it’s because of His sacrifice and love for us that makes us new and draws us to repentance.
Who are we to decide if the word of God has errors? I believe the KJV. Does my faith in the word of God make me evil? I’m not crazy and definitely not saying everyone who doesn’t read the KJV is going to Hell. Think critically about this issue. Can God create something perfect by using humans who sin? He brought His Son into this world through an imperfect sinner, yet He without the sinful nature due to His seed being of a woman and not the tainted blood of men. Is it preposterous to believe that God can preserve His word through imperfect sinners? The Bible isn’t about God, it is written by God. The commandments of Mount Sinai were literally written by the finger of God. Other religious texts are written in favor of their particular deity, in an attempt to only convert people to that deity. The Bible is very different. It’s the only Book that makes someone feel like they are nothing. All the other religions are humanistic in nature. I have read the preface to the 1611 King James Bible. They were against using only Hebrew and Greek. They used all translations prior to the KJV (even contemporary foreign languages) in order to gain a true understanding of the text. The Hebrews needed Hebrew, the Greeks Greek, Europeans their own languages, Africans their own, and now the East Asians need their own. Why should we, who speak English, which is now a universal language, need to learn Hebrew and Greek in order to understand the word of God? The ancient forms of those languages are dead and we cannot learn them in 100% accuracy. God, throughout time, brought His word through the world, just as He brought His Son through the world.
@@disconnecteddisconnected they were against using Hebrew and Greek because they were INACCESSIBLE. However, the authors also say that the footnotes provide alternate translations where there was ambiguity and that they ENCOURAGE readers to use a MULTITUDE of translations.
Please be aware that the KJV bible was censored by the government (it does mot contain the word “tyranny” even though other contemporary translations did), and that it’s incredibly inaccessible as language has changed and we may misinterpret them-it’s translating a translation. Modern translations are very much suitable for study. We were never going to get the full depth of Scripture in the words of other languages-we can’t COMPREHEND the full depth, much less translate it-so where our own words fall short, interlinears can fill the gaps, and the Holy Spirit gives all understanding.
The KJV is not the best-it is good, as it contains the word of God, but it contains an abundance of mistranslations as well (I know of a website that enumerates every single one, you can probably find it by looking up “KJV errors”). That’s okay, because even when the individual words aren’t exactly right, the content is still 100% good and true, like the translators said in the preface.
Your logic is sadly dangerous. It’s the same logic that overtook evangelical circles in Brazil, and now there is only one translation that most people know of, the Almeida Version. It has been modified, but I’ve tried reading it and it’s awkward, with overly formal language and outdated vocabulary. My mother won’t even open her Portuguese bible anymore, she speaks English as a second language but she always prefers to use the ESV because it speaks in a way that is approachable.
@@silverforestryYour arguments are not valid. Your opinions are irrelevant.
@@silverforestryThe “tyrant” issue has nothing to do with the KJV. The KJV used the word “oppressor” and “terrible.” Those are stronger words than tyrant.
I honestly prefer NET, as someone who has the Bible in Greek language NET is the most easiest translation for people whose native language isn't English.
This is not how we bring more Muslims into the Christian faith. We insult their Prophet by drawing disrespectful images of him and insult them by portraying them as weird wojaks and ourselves as chads. This isn't preaching. Do better, testify.
The video doesn't even have to be about necessarily convincing Muslims but think about it this way. A Muslim comes across this video and shuns everything in it because you insulted his entire belief system while approving your own. That was a potential soul that could have been saved. I was a Muslim once, I know this.
God bless you, brother.
Yo, if its possible I'd like a video explaining what the Bible says about the ongoing conflict in the Middle East. I've read some passages such as Joel 3:1-2 and Palms 122:6 with more that I probably have not read that need some explaning. A video like this would be very helpful. Thanks. 👍
"Time to Dismantle False Religion" - Testify (probably)
"Time to use my horrible coping methods" - Some muslim who made the deadly mistake of watching Testify's videos.
I'd say there is a explanation for Solomons horses. 1 kings 4:26 says that he has 40,000 stalls for his horses only. 2 Chronicles 9:25 says he had 4000 stalls for horses AND chariots. 40k for the horses only, and those stalls where probobly within bigger stalls that kept the chariots inside also.
Great video that brings to light the confusions And false arguments muslims have.
Amazing for young believers of the one true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom is one essence and three Persons, Word coming into flesh in the Name above all Names Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Great job brothers! I thank Our God for You, Hallelujah 🙌🙌🙌❤️
If you are a young believer let not the world and the people who have been deceived by the world shake your faith.
Also edify other your brothers and sisters and warn them of those deceived by false prophets.
In my experience when young in faith a direct experience with one of those lost sheep who are dead set on their belief in lies can be harsh, as it sets open a direct attack for the liar/devourer, whom has already been defeated by the Blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.
Know that Jesus our God is always with you because he is everywhere because he is God, and know he is an infinity times stronger and wiser than any other power, Amen Brothers and Sisters. I love you all and thank Our lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for you all❤
im no christian but the whole "bro they got the horses numbers wrong" is funny
Chronicle says he has 4000 places for horses built, but way more riders, first king says he bought way more horses, it’s not that confusing. I think if you read both scriptures and then really pause, and then you guide the person into the truth, they are more likely to see their error and how they were manipulated. It’s important to understand that when scripture was copied it was checked more times than you can imagine and there was ceremonial bathing involved and checks and rechecks, not to mention prayer.
When you read the whole story of Ahaziah then you see that he was king then he was kidnapped and was brought back home then he became king again. That’s why there are two ages.
The beat way to spread your religion os to say why yours is right and not why others os wrong. A true believer chooses his faith
They present such immense evidence that the black stone is calling me to kiss it
No shot did he just depict apostasy with the Andy throwing away Woody meme 😂