Inside China's High-Tech Dystopia
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- Опубликовано: 23 янв 2019
- In part three of Hello World Shenzhen, Bloomberg Businessweek’s Ashlee Vance heads out into a city where you can't use cash or credit cards, only your smartphone, where AI facial-recognition software instantly spots and tickets jaywalkers, and where at least one factory barely needs people. This is the society that China's government and leading tech companies are racing to make a reality, with little time to question which advancements are net positives for the rest of us.
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This is kinda biased because using an AMEX credit card in China obviously won’t work... Even in Canada, some places only accept VISA and MasterCard. Tbh I feel more places accept WeChat than AMEX in Vancouver.
Ashlee used a Visa, not an AMEX.
Chinese government had to force people to accept cash.... imagine! credit cards are out with Nokia
@@haoruchen4216 Cash is even less popular than credit cards in China, paying with phones has covered 95% of the services
David Nicholson AMEX charges more than other card. Then most vendors don’t have Amex or visa pos.
I lived in vancouver i can confirm its true esp in the more chinese places which is pretty much everywhere
lmao this dude using AMEX in China. Even in America, some place dont accept American Express.
This crap is staged
Amex is pretty common in China ,Hk even Brazil
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In China Union Pay is used everywhere. I can stage the same propaganda travel to the US and start bitching why they do not accept Union Pay.
Use of Union Pay is smart because of Visa, MasterCard etc. have the roots and servers in the US I don't know why everyone assumes that only systems used in the US have to be used worldwide. In 'Trump era' it only showed how visionary is Chinese government because now the US technologies are not 'reliable' anymore.
@Chuck-U Farly "Your argument would fail because in the US you can use cash" same in China - Union Pay and WeChat is just an alternative payment method nobody force anyone to use it. You have multiple other methods to pay - Cash, Union Pay, WeChat, AliPay and most of the vendors also accept Visa/MasterCard for tourists. Microsoft, Google, Qualcomm are private companies but seems Trump can control what and for who they can offer to the point that they are able to shut down services for Huawei.
I have been a fan of the Bloomberg but as a Shenzhen native and a person lived in the U.S. for 5 years, I would say this video is too biased to be convincible and not informative, when you are even implying automated production line is a bad thing. Of course there are a lot human right problem you can write about in China, but not being able to use an AMEX credit card here is obviously not one of them. I would love to see more episodes of video on China's issues but you have to lay down the facts and be objective to convince people
IM155U PLUS this was biased from the start
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY CHINESE, AND ARE YOU SOMEHOW NOT BIASED????????????
It’s more down to a bigger possibility of government tracking your purchases.
@@krillza the things he pointed out, was it wrong? Are you suggesting people with different nationality can't think logically? If the arguments contradicts with your thought, your logic, you should speak out and explain the parts you disagree about, otherwise you are just brainless & heartless like a piece of living tissue.
You must be very highly ranked on the obedience scale 😂
Is this supposed to be a journalistic work?
LOL mainstream outlets like Blookberg hasn't been journalism for 20 yrs.
not a journalistic work anymore, but insinuation.
There's no more objective information anymore, everything is based off of how things make people feel. At least the government has our best interest at heart... Yeah right!
@@hud86 I still believe The NYT’s investigations to be the best and most objective of all.
Delivered enough info
Nah, the NSA is doing exactly the same, they just don't tell us.
@ Apple, maybe, but Google FB and Amazon, seriously?
Google and FB are living in advertisement that they will do their best to track their users for precision advertising. Same stuff in Amazon too, they will track you then figure out what you would buy in future, and then push these goods to you.
@@coryplum5375
Why Bloomberg, CNN and FoxNews don't talk about it? US media are the most objective media in the world. US N°1
@@coryplum5375 he was being le smart ironic guy *tips
@ lol， you still live in your fantasy.
US doesn't have the same human rights issues
I hate to break to it you, but its already way past 1984 if you ask me.
Taking money right from your account via facial recognition just for walking across the road.
Seriously?
The talk in the bar is staged. Facial recognition in the whole country, or just one busy street? People would believe in Godzilla if the news kept showing it. 99% of videos on RUclips are not in your interest.
China's facial recognition system is for sure a real thing and is tied into their social credit system. Look it up.
It was funny watching the gent from australia realize there are things more sinister than a military uniform and a gun.
@@odonnchadha1978 Technology is being used to place the veil over us, the veil that Christ destroyed; but it's only a deception, no match for those who see.
@DAN ZIGLINICKI Apparently not by the look of things but hey what do I know about J walking lol cheers mate
I remember when Shenzhen didn’t have paved roads.
welcome to the future
@@juice8._777and metro systems too (dat timing im in south Asian art class and seeing the word "paved" in the og comment and the video we're watching said "paved)
That’s the most inaccurate description for a VPN I’ve ever heard
As a Chinese, this video teach me a lot, let me summarize it:
1. Machines are replacing people, creating unemployment. For example, if a corn field used to need 100 man to harvest, now a harvester with 1 driver does this job, 99 people loose their job, really bad.
2. If you used payment through phone, big brother is watching you. But if you use a credit card, then your privacy is protected.
3. Using QR code everywhere should be seriously considered. This thing is wiping out humanity, no human waiters serve customer, the cold machines without soul server human.
4. Crossing a road with red light on is illegal, it is a restriction of freedom, bad.
5. Chinese should not form tech company which potentially taking market share from US company. What Chinese should do, is making clothes and toys.
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哈哈哈，讥讽不失幽默
White people hate one thing the most.-equality
I like your sarcasm
spot on
Here in Europe I've never seen a shop where you can pay with American Express.
It's not a thing outside USA
That card he was using is a VISA, not AmEx. You can see the VISA logo on the back at 3:28.
Diogo Sales He was using a Visa but may I ask where in Europe you live? In Germany I have been using my Amex for everyday stuff like grocery shopping, general shopping, dining, even paying gas? Even IKEA accepts Amex now. It was different 15 years ago but now Amex even has integrated Apple Pay.
@@LalahkPoland. So you are pay with apple pay with charges your credit card, doesn't matter which one is it. It's not the same thing
@@Full_Throttle_no_Brakes I use my Amex physically, not with Apple Pay. I only use Apple Pay for food delivery services. I guess Apple Pay is different in Germany - not all credit cards can be used with Apple Pay (ironically, Amex was the first one in Germany, my German bank still hasn´t enabled my normal CC for Apple pay. ) I just meant to say that American Express is widely used in Germany. Maybe not in smaller towns or stores but I have had no issue paying at the supermarket with it.
@@Lalahk I've never seen Amex in UK or Canada either. Nor Australia, South Korea, Japan, etc. Its mostly an American thing.
China's cities are so cyberpunk. I think that's how will looks worldwide cities in the future.
Remind me of "Ghost In the shell". The cyberpunk anime series from Japan.
i hope not, 24/7 surveillance is not my cup of coffee
I'll take the Cyberpunk aesthetics without the social credit fuckery.
I spent months in Shenzhen in 2006. The factories they have are crazy huge. Then there is another building right next to it where the workers sleep. Kind of like a dorm. I'm from California and it was eye-opening to see that everyone lives in a highrise building. People buy and sell for the lease rights for these apartments like used cars. They also don't have racial problems because everyone is Chinese. I rode a lot of mass transit like buses and trains and people were so quiet. I was kind of odd. You also can't get in or out of the city without going through a checkpoint. I had to get out of the Taxi and go through security to go out to the country to the factories. Then the same procedure on the way back into the city.
Not everyone "is Chinese", they do have a racism problem, minions of Uyghurs are in concentration camps in Western China, and not everyone lives in a highrise, millions of people are in poverty, they are the same as most of the earth, but with more racism and more authoritarianism.
Got the credit card/QR code part seriously wrong - credit cards, or debit cards still work in all of the machines in the video, however, most convenience stores or supermarkets do not accept foreign cards like Mastercard or VISA - only Chinese credit/debit cards with the UnionPay sign on it is accepted.
And of course in america they accept all foreign cards too...
@@thegombie Is this sarcasm
HOW COME THE CHINESE WONT SUCUMB TO ALL AMERICAN COMPANIES AND USE ONLY WHAT WE MAKE THEM USE?? ABSURD!
@@leandrrob 'How dare a sovereign nation not emulate my empire? Dont they know me and my culture are supreme and they must supplicate to my superior methods?' - paraphrased from this presenter
@@leandrrob jajsjsjsjsja best coment ever
Poor journalism... Why make conclusive remarks, instead of presenting data/facts and letting the viewers decide for themselves?
Cos, this is called "propaganda”，demonize China, it will make some WHITES feel superior and better deep inside, forget about the hard cold truth, everyone is a puppet controlled by BIG BROTHER, eventually......
@@jasonhsu3375 maybe cause china actually is a terror state
@@williamdissing2197 whatever you say, pigskin xD
@@pasterofmuppets666 haha okay, black women love it so thats what i care about, i dont argue with men with female traits so im gonna bounce
@@random4052 did China terror you butt? wished you dream come true
This guy is like a Vice journalist with even less charm.
OOOOF poor ashlee
I prefer it to Vice's sensationalism.
or like a teethless vampire
I think the US is the only one who laughed of QR years ago....
Salad Spinner
QR was invented in Japan in the mid 80s, where it was equally derided. Japan pays the price today as the main QR e-cash payments operator active in Japan today is an Indian company.
@@augustusfukushima5979 How the mighty have fallen.
@Salad Spinner
because we love freedom.
figot latenby muh freedom ur living in a shithole mate
Then how do you guys rent a electric scooter
In Japan they still have the old fashioned peer pressure system, if you jaywalk there, the people will creepily stare at you until you commit harakiri out of 'shame' 🤣🤦♂️🤣
Please do you hara-kiri
"system"?
@@jasonfanclub4267 Guess it means cutting open your own belly to show your repent
Are you fucking serious?
Darkvine Your point is?
The dash board dog is a surveillance camera...
I have visited Shanghai and China many times. I'm a nobody before retirement blessed with a job, a traditional Chinese wife , in laws & Chinese friends that allowed me to visit and reside in China for months at a time. I will always be grateful since I have visited more places, seen more things in China that most born Chinese have done. Name it, I've been there for most of China & it was just magnificent. Yes I've been to to the USA, Europe, UK, Asia, New Zealand many times & all have their attributes but I would never place one over the other. Travel is just the best! I now live in Sydney, OZ and love it.This is my final home!
Your social credit score has increased by 20 points! Keep it up and your travel restrictions will lift in 5 years. All Hail the CCP!
automation is bad? exactly why?
why is it so important to be a slave, we should just have better distribution of resources and we'll be fine
people like working so much, and if you say something like this in germany, "i would prefer not to work and let the robot do everything", they will definetly hunt you down hahaha. Its a very stupid ideology.
Its bad because we live under an oppressive capitalist system.
@@JMM333 Working is not the problem, it's being stuck in a mindless repetitive job for the rest of your life. Humans are naturally curious and creative. Robots will enable us to be more than just a 9-5.
Because what if that doesn't happen, what if we just get a big side of the population unemployed
What? The problem with robots is that they are going to take a lot of jobs, every single robot means like 100 unemployed. So they become poor, and what are you going to do with half of a country poor because all their jobs where taken by robots?
Is he really calling automated production lines 'dystopian'? AI is steadily replacing workers in the West too. Do they have a taxi service where drivers work 12 hours a day for peanuts and the company takes 40%? Not that dysfunctional yet then.
Ain't nothin' nice.
Well of course it's dystopian. The west is becoming a dystopia as well. You can't stop automation, we're fucked.
Its called Didi
just another one of the trends taking us there
What makes it “dystopian” is how do you replace all those people in the economy whose jobs have been undercut by automation? Where can they go work next? Unskilled labor isn’t easy to find another job. I’m not saying automation is evil, but how do you help those which you’ve unemployed?
dude i live in shenzhen and I still use cash. it's inconvenient but you can still use it. why does everything the east do have to be a dystopia for americans
You said it yourself. It's "inconvenient" to use PAPER CASH. That is very diferent from what has been happening in the world for the last 200 years.
@@arthurtiradentes and why is it a dystopia? It's not ideal just because it's something that you're not familiar with? countries can be different. The majority of people here prefer things to be this way, you just need to scan to purchase things rather than fumbling around for coins. Everything has its upsides and downsides, stop nitpicking everything's that's going on in foreign countries.
@@arthurtiradentes There is an exploding population in China, so of course the technology here has to move on just as fast to make life easier, that's just how we have to evolve in a world of overpopulation.
@@arthurtiradentes using cash in China is just as "convenient“ as in other countries, its simply better to pay with your phone so you dont have to bother with change and have all the receipts there.
A few months ago, I had been visiting Shenzhen, there was a restaurant ”no cash accept”, that means only the wechat pay or alipay can do, but what a shame, though I have both wechat pay and alipay, but the HK verson cant be used in Mainland.
During the pandemic in 2020 when I’ve been visiting restaurants many of them are choosing to use QR code’s instead of menus.
What pandemic was that ?
The Mass Hysteria one
It's called 'getting things in through the back door'.....
That is so disgusting，I can't imagine how cruel to live with this kind of ......Biased media
all kinds of bias man. its different from criticism
The West can only sell the ads thru China daily bashing programs 😂
Coffee shops not accepting American Express is not a sign of a dystopia. It's a sign of the coffee shop not being located within the borders of the United States of America. Those machines would have accepted Visa and MasterCard just fine.
Also, replacing manual labour with machines is a sign of a dystopia? What country is not a dystopia then, North Korea? RUclips needs to stop recommending this trash journalism to me.
"Also, replacing manual labour with machines is a sign of a dystopia?"
Well, consider the fact that most people on the planet work for a living and aren't upper middle class rich kids from California, and you'll quickly see how much of a problem this is.
China alone has 600 million working class people; where are you going to put them when their labor is obsolete? Just gonna let them starve to death?
What about the instant charge over Jay walking? That seems pretty dystopian to me...
The one that really bothers me is the facial recognition. While it may just ticket you for jay walking it may also track exactly where you are all the time.
@@crissd8283 Not only that, let's say it's wrong and you are instantly charged a fine...
@@tommitchell8708 Worse - imagine it gets stuck in a loop and charges you billions of dollars in fines. Also imagine if government arbitrarily just takes money from dissidents and people they don't like and leaves them penniless and fucked.
Credit cards are not history - he tried to pay with MasterCard in the country where only UnionPay cards are accepted.
Rafal Hyps MasterCards are accepted at most spots in bigger cities
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143 What do you use?
@John Davis This. In my country, banks which rent these terminals to businesses offer Amex support as an extra (and extra paid) service. Most businesses outside city centers and touristy areas wouldn't go for it because most people use MasterCard or Visa anyway.
@John Davis So he basically set himself up for failure even more!
Let's see how life is in Detroit
Well they do have facial recognition cameras there
Or Kensington Ave, Philadelphia 😂 The irony that the "journalist" thinks Shenzhen is a "dystopia"...
I am not Chinese, but I feel that our country is also entering the dystopian era.
Since 10 years ago, many jobs have disappeared in our country, and the gap between rich and poor has increased by 20%.
The government continues to regulate and control the media and press.
What is surprising is that our country is never a poor country. Nevertheless, we looks at the dystopian era.
I don't know who can solve this huge problem.
What country you're in?
0:15 "tech knowhow (shows whites), cheap manufacturing (shows Chinese)"
um...
Spot on, speaking of subtle brainwashing, China has a long way to catch up the West.
Bloomberg, partial? How come.
*reality*
The Communist Party’s brainwashing method has clearly not improved. It is still using the way of the 1950s, and the United States has evolved into the best brainwashing method of the 21st century. It’s awesome.
Funny considering whites in china are 99% either (vaguely qualified) english teachers or journalists/vloggers
If you do not think other governments do the same snooping, then you are a fool.
Fool and a tool indeed
sure but I dont get fines for jay walking that are detected by cameras with facial recognition software. It is on another scale my dude.
Ask *Edward Snowden*
Every government snoops on its people, but no other government even comes close to China when it comes to using that information punitively. The US and Europe are bad in this regard, but China has somehow managed to find a way to be orders of magnitude worse.
@@Cosmo1093 100%
"Something called a VPN" ..... This obviously was written by someone over 35!
Or in mind that there may be people watching that have never heard of a VPN.
or younger than 5
I have to object! I am over 35, this must be written by someone over 65 at least.
TOR and (or) expressVPN works well. However the great firewall of china is reasonably advanced. So it could technically,,, still monitor your use. Arron Swarts would have been 33 this November 2019... so you still have a point for 2 more years. After that your'll need to revise your ageist views.
I'm 40 and know what a VPN is.
These jaywalking cams are extensive however in the Netherlands they scan our license plates and have the technology to take photos of your lap to check whether you're using a phone while driving so we're actually not that far apart. No public rating system yet, though.
Ps those tiltshift timelapses are AWESOME!
Ok... there's a bit of misinformation in this video (source: I've lived in China for 10+ years):
1. All shops by law have to accept cash, if they don't accept cash they will get fined if you report them
2. The credit card he's using is probably Mastercard or Visa but in China the card system they use is called UnionPay so if you don't have UnionPay card you'll have to take your Visa/Mastercard to an ATM and withdraw cash (goto step 1)
Now it's entirely possible they'll ban cash in the future .. but it's not happening now and this just makes the entire article seem suspect. Plenty of real news coming out of China, you don't need to make stuff up
There's no reason to ban cash. It'll probably just fall into disuse. Currencies come and go all the time.
Where exactly did he say cash is banned ? He said cash/credit cards is history, ie not widely used anymore.
@@AG-ig8uf No the implication was that you were forced to use alipay/wechat so the government could track you and he was demonstrating that by showing his AMEX or whatever card it was didn't work, when of course it didn't work because it's not a unionpay card. Ridiculous thing about credit card transactions is that even if it was allowed it's not anonymous either. When he was purchasing items, he could have anonymously purchased it using cash.
China:"Our surveillance tech is the best!"
CIA:"LMFAO"
I agree
NSA: Hold my beer.
😂
-All the spy sneaking stuff that he speaks of is already done by the US. Just read up on PRISM, the Patriot Act and NSA backdoors. Not forgetting Project Echelon and the Five Eyes (whites) spying community.
Hilarious, So Facebook don't track users?
not to this extent, no
@@artonio5887 Yes they do. They model what kind of "Citizen" you are, but for the purpose of targeting ads and predicting future behavior/needs rather than enforcing laws.
Maybe, but i don't have to use Facebook now do i?
@@SuWoopSparrow that's a huge difference
@@sogno4771 It is a huge difference. One is actually productive and the other is not. In the United States, we have mass surveillance and yet people get away with crimes regularly while innocent people get convicted for crimes they didnt commit regularly. Public spaces are public already, why not surveil them and prevent criminals from committing crimes and innocent people from wasting their potential sitting in a cell?
Honestly this guy sounds like my hallmate in London who's from Florida and love to talk about how great china is after half a bottle of vodka and knew absolutely nill about the country. For one thing, workers are not just "hoping to buy a better future for their family" but actually doing so by putting their siblings and kids thru university so that they in turns get to be the engineers. And that does not excuse for all the alienation lack of unionization and everything.
Having lived in Shenzhen all my life I have never seen a "j walk facial rec" camera actually functioning instead of playing the demk video. So if that guy from the pub could be so kind to tell me where he got caught by it I would definitely go and take a photo of it just to show my friends.
And idk which credit card is he trying to use to get about town but my visa and unionpay works just fine.
One more thing, although sns such as fb twitter instagram and youtube are banned alongside most mainstream western media, Amazon (us and uk server) is not. I rely on the us server to replenish my kindle collection regularly. And despite the media ban bloomberg operates an editorial team in China and issues a by-weekly magazine in China in Chinese which my mum enjoys reading.
So all in all idk wth this guy is doing acting so ignorant about China cuz they certainly have ppl who can do better.
Oh and one more thing. The social credit system that he did not mention by name works differently than how it was presented here. It does not measure how "obedient" citizens are, it motly keep track of who owes money to be bank and stuff like that. So I guess defulting on a loan is against the law and therefore not "obedient"? Honestly, he could use a lill more vodka and would appear more intellengent
Maybe he got payed to say it. .
Have you ever revisited your search history on Google? They got your coordinates even if you turn off the location.
oh and recently facebook asks you for every biographical detail and they have ways to figure them out even if you won't tell.
Sometimes you think of something that is unrelated to your previous search and the algorithm just nails the suggestions, so much it's scary. Like...one in a million songs you haven't heard in ages and just feel like listening in that precise moment. These companies go beyond the cookies, they have backdoors on cams and mikes.
I'm sure even these comments we lay here will have political/diplomatic implications for us in the future, in case of a conflict.
Aaron Kwok these people are really so delusional that they think the US is the same as China....
@@dustinjdeal Because most of these "people" commenting are actually bots!
@@aaronkwok7402 not to forget. china is a country that bans criticism.
and when it sees criticism, it sends people after you to crush it. not just private companies who sell data, rather a police state who will attack if you make wrong meme.
there are people criticizing facebook on facebook meanwhile.
authoritarianism is not really about policy, its about criticism and allowing criticism of policy.
otherwise that would make australia an authoritarian country for having more stricter lockdown rules than china.
people can criticize those policies online.
Thank you for sharing this video. I'm a home based independent maker based in Hong Kong who contribute to multiple open source projects and do regular supply runs or online orders in Shenzhen. Most of your points about the observation are objective with sound reasoning. In the future, I have a humble request that if your publications intend to introduce to the world to rather unconventional ways of human cooperation that is currently being experimented in Shenzhen or other parts of China with technology as a key enabler, please kindly consider not using subjective words like 'Dystopia' and let audience judge for themselves with reason. Humanity does not know enough yet to actually make judgement on whether this is 'Dystopia' or 'Utopia or anywhere in between, this is just so new to us. In the name of reason and science, unless there is other hidden purposes, please kindly consider my thoughts above.
You been to China ?
Communism wreaks over there
It drains the spirit
@@freedinner886 Hope you are well. Yes, even lived there before. Do you mind sharing your logic, evidence you observed and understanding of Communism in China in its present form which drains the spirit? I'm genuinely interested to know, politely and humbly wish to learn from others. I've spent years of my life living (not travelling) in North America, China, Hong Kong, Europe and South Asia (if you count travelling under span of 3 months, it includes a lot more regions). I have some interesting observations about logical errors that people make about other populations in unfamiliar regions (both East to West, West to East), many of which date back to many events in modern history. I might still be wrong, but at least I can contribute my observations together with books, papers, and resources I have consumed from different channels, to offer some balanced and objective food for thought in the name of science & reason, not ideology nor race nor nation.
nah, don’t be silly that a western media will be objective about China . Bloomberg is at least much better than BBC, FOX..
@@seanyu24 the notion that a western media will always be biased about other places is a bias in itself, the same applies the other way around. Even if what you are saying is true among many, I choose to have some hope in the reasoning ability of the many editors in media channels. If most people in both east and west continue with this mindset and presumed notion, the differences will continue to accumulate until up to a point we are so different that only violence can remove the differences.
@@20sffactory wow another person that actually gets it i thought i was the only one
Yo, whats the name of the background music in the intro?
I haven’t brought cash when I went out in the past ten years, and I’m not worried about being robbed if I sleep in the park at 2 am. Can this be done in your country?
The guy kept talking about Chinese surveillance as if the NSA is not watching people using facebook, youtube, google. Remember Snowden?
NSA doesn't block half the internet though
@@ijulesy and Americans love complaining about fake news. It also takes no action to ban guns although countless innocent Americans die because of mass shooting. I wonder why?
Cameron Bell but Chinese people don’t use that half the internet. Chinese have their own half.
I don't see how law enforcement combined with technology makes China dystopian. Most law-abiding citizens in China have no issues with that.
Their social credit system that prohibits or punishes various forms of dissent against the status quo alongside legally enforced censorship on a myriad of media cements their dystopian status. Bear in mind the country is one of the richest in the world and still has ~3 million slaves and has quarantined a suspected 1 million Uyghur Muslims while forcing them to live with government agents, simply for existing.
It goes much deeper as these same methods are used to track opponents of the government
@@ericmanget4280 Bruh! All yoi said ia pire propaganda and bs. The social credit system is not implemented in China and their is no genocide of any kind. Wake up!
@@jaypeedesuyo662 Work on your english before you accept propaganda money.
+100 social credits 😀🇨🇳
Plot Twist: that dog has a microphone build into it.
where can i listen to the music in this video?
Unionpay cannot be used in most places in the USA, why you want visa or MasterCard to be used in China? Double standard?
Because the entire world uses Visa/Mastercard and it's a mature system that been around for decades. Unionpay has only been around since 2002. Some Unionpay cards already have partnerships with Visa/MC/Discover and can be used anywhere in the USA.
@@HarvardJason Your argument doesn't work because Visa/Mastercard is a company, not some neutral entity. China has every right to promote its own companies and industries. By your logic no Asian company would ever be able to rise in competition because every Western company that offers the same service has the advantage of "being around for decades".
@@jyashin Haojun's question was , "...why YOU want visa or MasterCard to be used in China?". I answered that question by implying that using these mature systems would bring China inline and closer with the rest of the world. I'm not sure why you went off on a tangent with the rest of the post.
@@HarvardJason And I answered your question with the simple explanation - because China has absolutely zero obligation to make Visa or MasterCard available. If you want to do business in China, you do things the Chinese way. The customer is always right.
Also bullshit. Unionpay is accepted almost everywhere in the US. Have you ever even been in the US?
Shenzhen suddenly became a popular city, and its popularity in the world has increased. . .
John Johnson most Americans dont know what Shenzhen is. A lot of Chinese people know washington or new york but probably dont know a city like Seatle or San Fransisco.
@John Johnson Lmao. Aren't all ppl in the west have been taught China is still "staying" in the 1950s, with full of poverty and slums all over the place?
@John Johnson it is famous only in your shitty head.
@John Johnson you sound like gay
@John Johnson If u r in hardware business and you tell ppl that you don't know what Shenzhen is, then you will be a joke, trust me
any video of what happened? why the tracking devise of tanker has been off?
This is just a really strange video. Ok so you couldn't use an AMEX which led you to draw the conclusion that they don't accept credit cards in china... except for the fact that you put it in a credit card reader in the first place? QR codes don't make things any easier for the government to track purchases btw.. they could just go straight to the credit card or bank
QR code is not just prevalent in Shenzen
It is even used by street vendors in more rural areas of China.
Actually pretty convenient to do transactions. Literally everything uses QR codes and that includes other non monetary items.
However it is linked to your WeChat, which is probably monitored by the Chinese government. It is a convenient way of doing business while keeping tabs on people as well since it is a centralized collection of data.
Literally everyone uses WeChat in China.
Getting fined by facial recognition and the money exiting your account without it being authorised by you is crazzzy.
i'm in shenzhen 20 years，that's impossible
Funky Disciple China should develop high technology, China should learn more, China is still a poor country.
I never heard something like that. I don't think it is 100 percent true.
+Funky. You just wait and see. They will add similar fines for protesting or stating something the Communist dictatorship doesnt like.
getting shot in the head by gunman while standing on the street is also crazy. a Chinese dude got shot in the head while waiting for Uber in NYC Queens this week. if he stayed in China I promise you he would have been alive now.
Where can I find Part 1& 2?
What is that opening song? I know I've heard is somewhere but it sounds slower than the original
Yeah as if your bank will not know where you spend your money.
@Abdigani Aden WeChat is from Tencent, and Alipay is from Alibaba, they are both companies not the state government.
@acammtt no they are not lol. They might be just as morally bankrupt as each other, but they are not the same.
@acammtt These are tech companies. They hold online wallets for you but they are not banks. They are like Paypal, is paypal a bank? I think you need to get your brain checked.
OMG Shenzhen makes New York City look like Calcutta.
K K what do u mean
Thats a stretch
So right. America is technically so far behind these days.
@@admin4830 Better how? I can't see to find people who likes NY nowdays...
Paulo Vinícius Cali not far behind but getting there.
What’s the name of that song in the end??? Please
Great stuff!!
i think the us feels threatened
China is over U.S already
So, basically all they're saying is "China scaaawy". Hate to break it to the creators of this "content", but the entire world is moving in a dystopian direction. Singling China out without examining the dark side of tech in the West is rather hypocritical, to say the least.
Bruh, it’s wayyyh more prominent in China, the fact that we can even talk about it in the west is way better than the information black hole that is China
Nicholas Trice if the ccp sees you as a problem they will send you to a re education camp. And if you continue to be a thorn in their side they may throw you in jail, torture you, or harvest your organs. It already happens to falon gong practioners. the ccp is also hard at work trying eliminate chinese culture.
I am very surprised at how often I have to state this, but its different. The west, its a scandal. The east, its normal. That is a huge difference.
There's been a lot of talk and examination of the dark side of tech in the West. Especially where censorship is concerned. This video happens to be about China, but if you look up some videos on this topic as it applies in the US, you'll see similar comments on those as well. I don't approve of totalitarian governments anywhere. Not here, not in China, not anywhere.
I'm just trying to know name of the tune that plays in the beginning
Does anyone knows the song/beat in the beginning of this video??
I agree the invasion of privacy thing is a scary thing. But what's also scary to me is that a country that was a third world country just 20 years ago is now in many ways more technologically advanced than us. British colonialism nearly destroyed China, but I guess the old adage what doesn't kill you makes you stronger may sometimes hold true.
no one cares, hated by everyone
@@aditube8781 Except for their own people. According to a poll by the Ash institute of Harvard, 93% of Chinese people are satisfied with the Chinese central government. That is around 2.5x more than in the USA.
@GovernmentOverreach lol .Do You really 'know'
@@mitchkan4948 do you?smh
@@osamajordan288 ask yourself
The extreme surveillance of its citizens? Well that's what happens when you have to answer to the government instead of the government answering to you.
You think extreme surveillance like in US where government spying own people with little or no control and private billionaires who spying all without any control? About China surveillance, you know that you haven't any proof or example of it except propaganda? We know it.
@wheels turn sure you must be some crazy liberal ( rapist would go on and kill 10 kids???) wtf you talking about stick camera in your ass if You like it , Yet don't tell people what to do to be "protected" ITS FAKE
The government answers to the people. Hate to break it to you, but you, an individual, is not a representation of the people. There are a few things that are in the collective interest of humanity: safety, prosperity, opportunity, and a better future for our children. If the government can provide all this and more, why should they answer to you?
@@comradeproletariat9946 If you thing Government will give you safety, prosperity, opportunity, and a better future for our children. sorry to tell You that, You are delusional IDIOT.
Optivita What you don’t get is that Chinese government does give safety, prosperity, opportunities and a better future to Chinese, with great improvements year by year. Do you know that the average purchase power of salaries in China has increased about 400% in 25 years? Safety? China is much safer than US and Canada. I’m talking about walking on street at night or gun shots.
the way it ended lmaooo
Face recognition is also widely used in US and Canada nowadays.
Black Mirror's Nosedive is becoming a reality.
I lived there 5 years. It's just another city in China.
Oh, so you mean they're all like that? That somehow doesn't reassure me.
Your children will disappear into Chinese culture.
@Papyrus Okagbue For now that is. Im not worried at all. The Chinese has their priority straight. Soft power will come into their focus once their other projects are completed. Afterall soft power is just an illusion.
@@deduzz When even your officials wear western clothes how could you expect world to wear chinese clothes. It's a fool's dream.
I disagree. I traveled through Shanghai to Suzhou and finally to Shenzhen. Shenzhen has a youthful vibe and with close proximity to Hong Kong, the food and culture felt totally different from Shanghai and the industrial feeling of Suzhou.
I enjoyed this production, kinda like Vice but without the spin. Nice looking city, despite the restrictions. 😎
Thinking about packing up my stuff and going to China to build my drone company. Any advice out there from people who did it?
I feel like this was shallowly researched and poorly communicated. Wechat is so much more than facebook and there are rough "equivalent" platforms that exist, but they've bled into other functions and mutated so much that it's almost erroneous to just say "wechat is the chinese facebook", like no, I can't send my friend $100 via facebook messenger. Yes facial recognition and sesame credit is scary af, government surveillance borders on human rights abuse, but automation happens everywhere. TBH I can't believe the US still SWIPES their credit cards, I was shocked when my server took my card away and made me sign a receipt. The security on that is atrocious.
Guess why will still swipe our cards!! Answer: we have less credit card fraud! Imagine that! Also you can send money on FB.
They misspelled utopia
how is that different from the UK (Especially London) .. besides the censoring ?
What is music in 09:01 onwards please? Thanks!
This guy is completely out of touch with China. It is almost embarrassing. Payment with QR code is all over China, not just in Shenzhen. By this way, pretty much everyone also accepts CASH. Google and RUclips are easily accessible with a VPN, but YouKu and Baidu are more tailored to the Chinese market. Also, robots replacing workers in Shenzhen creating chaos is a joke. 30 years ago Shenzhen was a fishing village. Few people have roots in this city. In fact, it is one of the few cities China that doesn’t have a local dialect. Manual workers don’t have roots in Shenzhen, they will just move to a different city. There are problems with China, but almost nothing this guy is saying is relevant.
U have to take cash.... it is the fiat money
They always believe Chinese grapes are sour!
I think this reporter is providing his observations not giving a score or in any way condemning Shenzhen. :)
@@derozonlang9173 Nah bro, nah.
@Amanda Archer You seem rather hostile here. Is this normal for you?
Me: is that chicken?
Chinese citizen: laughs nervously.
Chinese citizen: No we have a different name for that here.
@@joelee5875 What? Pooch... :-P
@@nyxawesome9409 I was alluding to a book written by George Orwell titled "1984", sorry I may have gotten ahead of myself as I was replying to someone else's comment and I'm afraid that my comment may have been moved around.
@@joelee5875 Nah don't worry about it.. I was just playing around with the stereotype we had back in the US where if someone's dog was lost we'd knock on all chinese neighbours asking if they'd ate our dog... I liked Animal Farm... will read 1984 too someday.
@@nyxawesome9409 Thank you for the reply, as I also enjoyed the novel Animal Farm and that it was considered a sort of roman a clef at the time and that it was banned in certain countries made it a more compelling read to me and the idea of animals talking made it so much fun, 1984, on the other hand, seemed even more subversive in that some of the ideas from that book still to this day will inform my thinking -not a spoiler- (such as "if 2+2 = 4 then everything else follows") which seems like a simple idea and in some respect is...but on the other hand will leave conclusions un-answered, a cool book and I hope you enjoy it as much as I, warm wishes.
Where is this "robot Restaurant", someone can give me a name or address? thanks
These days robots are replacing us as manufacturers of things, but I wonder when will they replace us as consumers.
Doesn't Britain have tons of CC tv's watching the streets? Don't credit companies in North America track your spending habits? Wow, I m impressed by China's technology....
credit companies can't arrest you.
American credit score is a single score based on a single metric: your loan behavior. It has nothing to do with crimes, crossing the street, etc. etc. and does not rely on facial recognition. I'm not sayin it's OK I'm just saying it's not apples to apples like VOX tried to make it seem.
Dystopia is a bit strong just because you couldn't figure out QR codes..
Yeah. Constant monitoring by facial recognition and a societal ranking system using their online profiles that dictates if they can get loans and go to certain colleges isn't dystopian at all. This journalist is totally out of of line!
@@darlgearhart988 restricting you from accessing foreign information out of fears you might do some wrong think. Better yet, automating production line jobs to ensure Chinese companies remain the go to for cheap manufacturing whilst dooming the whole country. They already have the liability of the aging population I'm sure that laying off millions of workers from private industry won't at all cause serious economical problems down the line.
Well, as foreigner you can't get a Chinese bank account, so you can't put money in your WeChat wallet, that means you can't use those QR codes. So it is a problem for him.
@@awdrifter3394 You can. You just need someone to give you a red pocket to access WeChat Wallet. Or you can apply for a Chinese Bank when you're in the country.
@@darlgearhart988 What? Who invented this technology? Who uses it constantly and without limit? How sheltered are you? The stupid bias here is that only governments can control people. The private sector does a much better job. You're being monitored constantly, Darl and yeah, they know your real name too.
In tencent HQ, you'll get VPN connection. Well, to be honest, you'll need stackoverflow sometimes.
stackoverflow is great
Somebody please tell me where to find the soundtrack at 08:55 ?
Same!
“Cash and Credit cards are history”
🤔🤔🤔. 3:57
But all of those places had credit card machines...?
Leonidas yes, native people rarely use it. It’s mainly for foreign travelers
@@gcyalbert then it's not history, it's still there in use
@@zumis1011 in a sense but this is the gradual step to phase it out
@@gcyalbert wasn't he a foreign traveler yet he couldn't use the credit card I think it was a set up to bring about the story of the scanning code
Almost 40% of Chinese population use WeChat. Mostly the elders use cash.
95% Chinese leaders from local to national level own the engines degree of higher education. As their counterpart, 95% leaders in developed countries are from law educational degree.
All society administration have to be changed base on update technologics. That is why there only 1/5 policise in China compare the USA and rule 1.4b population and much less criminal rate in China.
习近平，李克强都是学文科的，现在的政治局常委里，有工程师出身的吗？
@@djmuscovy7525 习在清华学的是化学。
@@nlmw 他一个初中毕业的工农兵大学生 就算了
Stfu Engineer!
What about software like Facebook and Instagram, WhatsApp and so many more platforms that people are using that people are not even aware of the intrusion? Which country is in charge of these?
all these are controlled by facebook, i, personally, have deleted all facebook acc. and blocked its trackers, and as far as google is concerned i just use youtube and rest is all firefox, duckduckgo, brave. we do not live in china. its way worse there
Recently in China, I visited a waterfall scenic area with 3 other westerners. We were scanned for Facial Recognition when we entered the park and were re-checked at 5 different locations around the park, with turnstiles and recognition cameras. The hotel in Anshun (a big one) would not accept Master Card. They wanted We-Chat pay but (reluctantly) took cash. All of the metro (subway) stations i n Guangzhou have had 95% of their ticket machines replaced with QR code scanners. You have to look very hard to find a remaining 1 or 2 machines per station that will dispense RFID tokens for 5 or 10 RMB cash notes. Foreigners are being squeezed out of the country by restricting what goods and services they are able to buy.
in Guangzhou you can easily go up to any service desk and pay cash to get a ticket. They are working to improve commuting for those who use it everyday- expats and natives alike. It would be counterintuitive to squeeze out foreigners out of Guangzhou as they are what keeps the city as one of the top destinations for manufacturing and exports.
@@CarlosAsunder Yes I agree its counter-intuitive, but they're doing it. I'd been going to China for the last 15 years. Different places for various reasons. I'm never going back to China or HK because the risk of Hostage Diplomacy is too high. I just don't trust them. Not even a bit.
As an American living in China for 4.5 years, I know that this reporter did not do his due diligence. And it also seems like the people who made this video had an agenda. This is not good, accurate, or complete journalism. Maybe this guy should do more than just visit. He should live there for a while and I’m sure his conclusions would change. China isn’t a perfect place. But no country is. We have our own issues in America that they don’t have in China.
So, what was inaccurate?
@Credence Clementine 无知啊，哈哈哈。
@Credence Clementine 你在说你自己？
China's problems aren't their creepy stalking of the citizens, it's their genocide of minorities in remote regions of China.
@@geeksqueak7123 well yeah, compared to Maoists China this is an improvement.
ur credit card cant work it because u have VISA or Mastercard and in almost whole chinese mainland places just China UnionPay can work, just like FB kinda of things
It like the foreigners were oblivious to how intense the situation was until the convo in the restaurant
The robot restaurant is just a modern version of the automats the US used to have in NY & Philly.
Yes indeed!
Americans being cynical.. like if they weren't spying on everyone..
Is this implying you support a country that is destroying churches, replacing bibles with books about Xi (sounds like a page from Hitlers book) jailing tiebetians for no reason, and harvesting organs of political prisoners? Not to meantion the sudden arrests of random Canadians all through China... The list goes on.
@@johnj8639 Why can't USA keep the their nose in their own domestic issues?
@Underscore_ Why can't people feel for the unfortunate wellbeing of other humans in another country? Regardless of the country these are people, and I think everyone has the right to be concerned about other people that are being unrightfully harmed. Imagine if people ignored all the problems about Nazi Germany, these problems should not be ignored. Imagine if you yourself was in a situation where you are a political prisoner because you support freedom of religion or freedom of sexuality or simply a Canadian that has been arrested in china for no reason. Or an Australian who has had their freedom of speech affected from China buying Australian politicians, and being forced to cancel book sales or write papers because if it.
@@johnj8639 You don't understand.On which standard do we held such views.Can the taliban invade the west because they feel sorry for the people being ruled under such an unislamic government? Can china invade other countries to liberate them from the oppression of capitalists? You are already blinded by western propaganda that you fail to see the West are doing the same thing you are complaining about, supporting a far more oppressive regime like Israel and Saudi Arabia just because they are your allies.China still haven't invaded any country in the past 500 years yet here you are feeling as if they are a threat to you while in fact you are a threat to them.
@Underscore_ I mean they Kill people to convert, and are pretty violent them selves - I'm not sure I could consider that ethical or a justifiable example. Also China has a mostly capitalistic economy. I simply don't think people have the right to be jailed without a justifiable cause, I also don't think people should be killed, in many western countries people have a choice of religion and have freedom to express themselves without persecution, I feel these are things that are human rights, that I don't think your examples equate to. Also I'm not saying any country should invade anyone, I'm just saying they at least don't deserve support. Why should I support something I don't believe in? Also China has threatened invasion on Taiwan multiple times, and has multiple disputes across Asia - including countries like Vietnam, South Korea, India, Japan, and the Philippines, just to name a few. China has also had skirmishes with Russia in the past, and has attempted to invade Vietnam before, and has sent troops to support North Korea during the cold war. China has also sent its own military up to the edge of its border with Afghanistan and has likely has its own problems and concerns with Afghanistan as China does with its own Muslim population.
£80 fine for covering your face from a facial recognition camera here in the UK. It's coming.
Anybody advice which background sound track starts @ 09:03?
Ive been looking for this comment
I think it is so sad how predictable the human race is - wasn't this just all so inevitable?
@6:15 . . . supposed tech worker is surprised that everyone's face is in a facial recognition system designed to capture everyone's face? SMH.
It seems more that he's INDIGNANT that his fellow WHITE MALE is in the computers of Big Brother, he couldn't give a rats ass about CHINESE people being in it.
you have to have an image of someones face that is also connected to your identity. if they just have your picture it doesn't necessarily mean they know who you are.
@@amandagirlygirl12 nah, you're reaching
@@amandagirlygirl12 Ai you just had to bring race into it didn't you?
@@ayizeb9299 morons always resort to race bashing when they have no constructive criticism
Over 60 percent of China’s GDP and is responsible for more than 80 percent of its jobs is generated by the private sector in 2017 [Xinhua News report]. "Living in a very tightly regulated Communist country - does that bother you?" I found this very first interview question [5'14''] asked by the interviewer to the startup group in Shenzhen very offensive! It shows either the interviewer doesn't understand the culture and the social structure of the country or he hadn't done research prior to the show.
Any chance of a list of music used?
Silicon Valley, inside America's dystopian present.
Steven Zheng, inside Chinese government sponsored comment bots.
@@painexotic3757 another mindless Western zombie
@@Trgn another brainwashed commie who thinks being enslaved by his government is "freedom" lol.
+Steven Zheng
Exept in silicon valley you won't mysteriously disappear if you criticize the government.
people justifying social credit in the comments lmfao
But it's not an intrinsic feature of the government, that's the important difference.
@Alex Mercer no because it's restricting people's freedom of speech, movement, etc. this is betraying the people in a nutshell.
If the first thing that comes to your mind when the government breaches my privacy is not the fact that my civil liberty has been violated, but of my hypothetical fear that I will be exposed as a failure implies that you are the one who's afraid to be exposed as a failure, not me. And the fact that you've already resigned yourself to the government knowing everything about you already, whether that may be true or not, highlights your cowardice.
We need to ban Chinese from using OUR internet. 99% it's bots and agents anyway.
@@krusher9939 what tf are these mental gymnastics you are pulling
anybody know the song from the beginning?
Why does the beat at the start sound like a direct rip-off of the uppercuts beat?
Sorry but that's just poor journalism...
No research at all nor any statement.
I expected higher level story who show's the real Shenzhen population problems
you expect high level journalism from an american outlet ? come on
Wait u wanted them to talk about the population problem?
I wonder what Naomi "Sexy Cyborg" Wu, who lives in Shenzen, and is an engineer would have to say about this article...
+wrrr arghh
What contry’s outlet would you recommend for high quality news? I prefer them from a country which allows its journalists freedom of speech (keeps things more interesting, y’know). But im sure whatever you suggest is fine.
omri cohen Wahrheit ist nicht was du brauchst，du brauchst nur negative Nachrichten Chinas，egal ob das echt ist...