This is kinda biased because using an AMEX credit card in China obviously won’t work... Even in Canada, some places only accept VISA and MasterCard. Tbh I feel more places accept WeChat than AMEX in Vancouver.
@ Apple, maybe, but Google FB and Amazon, seriously? Google and FB are living in advertisement that they will do their best to track their users for precision advertising. Same stuff in Amazon too, they will track you then figure out what you would buy in future, and then push these goods to you.
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@@coryplum5375 Why Bloomberg, CNN and FoxNews don't talk about it? US media are the most objective media in the world. US N°1
Diogo Sales He was using a Visa but may I ask where in Europe you live? In Germany I have been using my Amex for everyday stuff like grocery shopping, general shopping, dining, even paying gas? Even IKEA accepts Amex now. It was different 15 years ago but now Amex even has integrated Apple Pay.
@@Full_Throttle_no_Brakes I use my Amex physically, not with Apple Pay. I only use Apple Pay for food delivery services. I guess Apple Pay is different in Germany - not all credit cards can be used with Apple Pay (ironically, Amex was the first one in Germany, my German bank still hasn´t enabled my normal CC for Apple pay. ) I just meant to say that American Express is widely used in Germany. Maybe not in smaller towns or stores but I have had no issue paying at the supermarket with it.
I have been a fan of the Bloomberg but as a Shenzhen native and a person lived in the U.S. for 5 years, I would say this video is too biased to be convincible and not informative, when you are even implying automated production line is a bad thing. Of course there are a lot human right problem you can write about in China, but not being able to use an AMEX credit card here is obviously not one of them. I would love to see more episodes of video on China's issues but you have to lay down the facts and be objective to convince people
@@krillza the things he pointed out, was it wrong? Are you suggesting people with different nationality can't think logically? If the arguments contradicts with your thought, your logic, you should speak out and explain the parts you disagree about, otherwise you are just brainless & heartless like a piece of living tissue.
In China Union Pay is used everywhere. I can stage the same propaganda travel to the US and start bitching why they do not accept Union Pay. Use of Union Pay is smart because of Visa, MasterCard etc. have the roots and servers in the US I don't know why everyone assumes that only systems used in the US have to be used worldwide. In 'Trump era' it only showed how visionary is Chinese government because now the US technologies are not 'reliable' anymore.
@Chuck-U Farly "Your argument would fail because in the US you can use cash" same in China - Union Pay and WeChat is just an alternative payment method nobody force anyone to use it. You have multiple other methods to pay - Cash, Union Pay, WeChat, AliPay and most of the vendors also accept Visa/MasterCard for tourists. Microsoft, Google, Qualcomm are private companies but seems Trump can control what and for who they can offer to the point that they are able to shut down services for Huawei.
I hate to break to it you, but its already way past 1984 if you ask me. Taking money right from your account via facial recognition just for walking across the road. Seriously?
The talk in the bar is staged. Facial recognition in the whole country, or just one busy street? People would believe in Godzilla if the news kept showing it. 99% of videos on RUclips are not in your interest.
@@odonnchadha1978 Technology is being used to place the veil over us, the veil that Christ destroyed; but it's only a deception, no match for those who see.
@John Davis This. In my country, banks which rent these terminals to businesses offer Amex support as an extra (and extra paid) service. Most businesses outside city centers and touristy areas wouldn't go for it because most people use MasterCard or Visa anyway.
Is he really calling automated production lines 'dystopian'? AI is steadily replacing workers in the West too. Do they have a taxi service where drivers work 12 hours a day for peanuts and the company takes 40%? Not that dysfunctional yet then.
What makes it “dystopian” is how do you replace all those people in the economy whose jobs have been undercut by automation? Where can they go work next? Unskilled labor isn’t easy to find another job. I’m not saying automation is evil, but how do you help those which you’ve unemployed?
dude i live in shenzhen and I still use cash. it's inconvenient but you can still use it. why does everything the east do have to be a dystopia for americans
@@arthurtiradentes and why is it a dystopia? It's not ideal just because it's something that you're not familiar with? countries can be different. The majority of people here prefer things to be this way, you just need to scan to purchase things rather than fumbling around for coins. Everything has its upsides and downsides, stop nitpicking everything's that's going on in foreign countries.
@@arthurtiradentes There is an exploding population in China, so of course the technology here has to move on just as fast to make life easier, that's just how we have to evolve in a world of overpopulation.
@@arthurtiradentes using cash in China is just as "convenient“ as in other countries, its simply better to pay with your phone so you dont have to bother with change and have all the receipts there.
A few months ago, I had been visiting Shenzhen, there was a restaurant ”no cash accept”, that means only the wechat pay or alipay can do, but what a shame, though I have both wechat pay and alipay, but the HK verson cant be used in Mainland.
Ok... there's a bit of misinformation in this video (source: I've lived in China for 10+ years): 1. All shops by law have to accept cash, if they don't accept cash they will get fined if you report them 2. The credit card he's using is probably Mastercard or Visa but in China the card system they use is called UnionPay so if you don't have UnionPay card you'll have to take your Visa/Mastercard to an ATM and withdraw cash (goto step 1) Now it's entirely possible they'll ban cash in the future .. but it's not happening now and this just makes the entire article seem suspect. Plenty of real news coming out of China, you don't need to make stuff up
@@AG-ig8uf No the implication was that you were forced to use alipay/wechat so the government could track you and he was demonstrating that by showing his AMEX or whatever card it was didn't work, when of course it didn't work because it's not a unionpay card. Ridiculous thing about credit card transactions is that even if it was allowed it's not anonymous either. When he was purchasing items, he could have anonymously purchased it using cash.
Got the credit card/QR code part seriously wrong - credit cards, or debit cards still work in all of the machines in the video, however, most convenience stores or supermarkets do not accept foreign cards like Mastercard or VISA - only Chinese credit/debit cards with the UnionPay sign on it is accepted.
@@leandrrob 'How dare a sovereign nation not emulate my empire? Dont they know me and my culture are supreme and they must supplicate to my superior methods?' - paraphrased from this presenter
Every government snoops on its people, but no other government even comes close to China when it comes to using that information punitively. The US and Europe are bad in this regard, but China has somehow managed to find a way to be orders of magnitude worse.
The Communist Party’s brainwashing method has clearly not improved. It is still using the way of the 1950s, and the United States has evolved into the best brainwashing method of the 21st century. It’s awesome.
@@juice8._777and metro systems too (dat timing im in south Asian art class and seeing the word "paved" in the og comment and the video we're watching said "paved)
Thank you for sharing this video. I'm a home based independent maker based in Hong Kong who contribute to multiple open source projects and do regular supply runs or online orders in Shenzhen. Most of your points about the observation are objective with sound reasoning. In the future, I have a humble request that if your publications intend to introduce to the world to rather unconventional ways of human cooperation that is currently being experimented in Shenzhen or other parts of China with technology as a key enabler, please kindly consider not using subjective words like 'Dystopia' and let audience judge for themselves with reason. Humanity does not know enough yet to actually make judgement on whether this is 'Dystopia' or 'Utopia or anywhere in between, this is just so new to us. In the name of reason and science, unless there is other hidden purposes, please kindly consider my thoughts above.
@@freedinner886 Hope you are well. Yes, even lived there before. Do you mind sharing your logic, evidence you observed and understanding of Communism in China in its present form which drains the spirit? I'm genuinely interested to know, politely and humbly wish to learn from others. I've spent years of my life living (not travelling) in North America, China, Hong Kong, Europe and South Asia (if you count travelling under span of 3 months, it includes a lot more regions). I have some interesting observations about logical errors that people make about other populations in unfamiliar regions (both East to West, West to East), many of which date back to many events in modern history. I might still be wrong, but at least I can contribute my observations together with books, papers, and resources I have consumed from different channels, to offer some balanced and objective food for thought in the name of science & reason, not ideology nor race nor nation.
@@seanyu24 the notion that a western media will always be biased about other places is a bias in itself, the same applies the other way around. Even if what you are saying is true among many, I choose to have some hope in the reasoning ability of the many editors in media channels. If most people in both east and west continue with this mindset and presumed notion, the differences will continue to accumulate until up to a point we are so different that only violence can remove the differences.
There's no more objective information anymore, everything is based off of how things make people feel. At least the government has our best interest at heart... Yeah right!
Cos, this is called "propaganda”，demonize China, it will make some WHITES feel superior and better deep inside, forget about the hard cold truth, everyone is a puppet controlled by BIG BROTHER, eventually......
I spent months in Shenzhen in 2006. The factories they have are crazy huge. Then there is another building right next to it where the workers sleep. Kind of like a dorm. I'm from California and it was eye-opening to see that everyone lives in a highrise building. People buy and sell for the lease rights for these apartments like used cars. They also don't have racial problems because everyone is Chinese. I rode a lot of mass transit like buses and trains and people were so quiet. I was kind of odd. You also can't get in or out of the city without going through a checkpoint. I had to get out of the Taxi and go through security to go out to the country to the factories. Then the same procedure on the way back into the city.
Not everyone "is Chinese", they do have a racism problem, minions of Uyghurs are in concentration camps in Western China, and not everyone lives in a highrise, millions of people are in poverty, they are the same as most of the earth, but with more racism and more authoritarianism.
Salad Spinner QR was invented in Japan in the mid 80s, where it was equally derided. Japan pays the price today as the main QR e-cash payments operator active in Japan today is an Indian company.
Coffee shops not accepting American Express is not a sign of a dystopia. It's a sign of the coffee shop not being located within the borders of the United States of America. Those machines would have accepted Visa and MasterCard just fine. Also, replacing manual labour with machines is a sign of a dystopia? What country is not a dystopia then, North Korea? RUclips needs to stop recommending this trash journalism to me.
"Also, replacing manual labour with machines is a sign of a dystopia?" Well, consider the fact that most people on the planet work for a living and aren't upper middle class rich kids from California, and you'll quickly see how much of a problem this is. China alone has 600 million working class people; where are you going to put them when their labor is obsolete? Just gonna let them starve to death?
The one that really bothers me is the facial recognition. While it may just ticket you for jay walking it may also track exactly where you are all the time.
@@tommitchell8708 Worse - imagine it gets stuck in a loop and charges you billions of dollars in fines. Also imagine if government arbitrarily just takes money from dissidents and people they don't like and leaves them penniless and fucked.
In Japan they still have the old fashioned peer pressure system, if you jaywalk there, the people will creepily stare at you until you commit harakiri out of 'shame' 🤣🤦♂️🤣
Their social credit system that prohibits or punishes various forms of dissent against the status quo alongside legally enforced censorship on a myriad of media cements their dystopian status. Bear in mind the country is one of the richest in the world and still has ~3 million slaves and has quarantined a suspected 1 million Uyghur Muslims while forcing them to live with government agents, simply for existing.
@@ericmanget4280 Bruh! All yoi said ia pire propaganda and bs. The social credit system is not implemented in China and their is no genocide of any kind. Wake up!
So, basically all they're saying is "China scaaawy". Hate to break it to the creators of this "content", but the entire world is moving in a dystopian direction. Singling China out without examining the dark side of tech in the West is rather hypocritical, to say the least.
Bruh, it’s wayyyh more prominent in China, the fact that we can even talk about it in the west is way better than the information black hole that is China
Nicholas Trice if the ccp sees you as a problem they will send you to a re education camp. And if you continue to be a thorn in their side they may throw you in jail, torture you, or harvest your organs. It already happens to falon gong practioners. the ccp is also hard at work trying eliminate chinese culture.
There's been a lot of talk and examination of the dark side of tech in the West. Especially where censorship is concerned. This video happens to be about China, but if you look up some videos on this topic as it applies in the US, you'll see similar comments on those as well. I don't approve of totalitarian governments anywhere. Not here, not in China, not anywhere.
I have visited Shanghai and China many times. I'm a nobody before retirement blessed with a job, a traditional Chinese wife , in laws & Chinese friends that allowed me to visit and reside in China for months at a time. I will always be grateful since I have visited more places, seen more things in China that most born Chinese have done. Name it, I've been there for most of China & it was just magnificent. Yes I've been to to the USA, Europe, UK, Asia, New Zealand many times & all have their attributes but I would never place one over the other. Travel is just the best! I now live in Sydney, OZ and love it.This is my final home!
TOR and (or) expressVPN works well. However the great firewall of china is reasonably advanced. So it could technically,,, still monitor your use. Arron Swarts would have been 33 this November 2019... so you still have a point for 2 more years. After that your'll need to revise your ageist views.
The extreme surveillance of its citizens? Well that's what happens when you have to answer to the government instead of the government answering to you.
You think extreme surveillance like in US where government spying own people with little or no control and private billionaires who spying all without any control? About China surveillance, you know that you haven't any proof or example of it except propaganda? We know it.
@wheels turn sure you must be some crazy liberal ( rapist would go on and kill 10 kids???) wtf you talking about stick camera in your ass if You like it , Yet don't tell people what to do to be "protected" ITS FAKE
The government answers to the people. Hate to break it to you, but you, an individual, is not a representation of the people. There are a few things that are in the collective interest of humanity: safety, prosperity, opportunity, and a better future for our children. If the government can provide all this and more, why should they answer to you?
@@comradeproletariat9946 If you thing Government will give you safety, prosperity, opportunity, and a better future for our children. sorry to tell You that, You are delusional IDIOT.
Optivita What you don’t get is that Chinese government does give safety, prosperity, opportunities and a better future to Chinese, with great improvements year by year. Do you know that the average purchase power of salaries in China has increased about 400% in 25 years? Safety? China is much safer than US and Canada. I’m talking about walking on street at night or gun shots.
John Johnson most Americans dont know what Shenzhen is. A lot of Chinese people know washington or new york but probably dont know a city like Seatle or San Fransisco.
@John Johnson Lmao. Aren't all ppl in the west have been taught China is still "staying" in the 1950s, with full of poverty and slums all over the place?
I am not Chinese, but I feel that our country is also entering the dystopian era. Since 10 years ago, many jobs have disappeared in our country, and the gap between rich and poor has increased by 20%. The government continues to regulate and control the media and press. What is surprising is that our country is never a poor country. Nevertheless, we looks at the dystopian era. I don't know who can solve this huge problem.
I agree the invasion of privacy thing is a scary thing. But what's also scary to me is that a country that was a third world country just 20 years ago is now in many ways more technologically advanced than us. British colonialism nearly destroyed China, but I guess the old adage what doesn't kill you makes you stronger may sometimes hold true.
The term "Third world" means countries who are not align to either of the two major blocks in the Cold war. I don't understand why Westerners used this outdated term to refer less develop countries.
@Papyrus Okagbue For now that is. Im not worried at all. The Chinese has their priority straight. Soft power will come into their focus once their other projects are completed. Afterall soft power is just an illusion.
I disagree. I traveled through Shanghai to Suzhou and finally to Shenzhen. Shenzhen has a youthful vibe and with close proximity to Hong Kong, the food and culture felt totally different from Shanghai and the industrial feeling of Suzhou.
getting shot in the head by gunman while standing on the street is also crazy. a Chinese dude got shot in the head while waiting for Uber in NYC Queens this week. if he stayed in China I promise you he would have been alive now.
people like working so much, and if you say something like this in germany, "i would prefer not to work and let the robot do everything", they will definetly hunt you down hahaha. Its a very stupid ideology.
@@JMM333 Working is not the problem, it's being stuck in a mindless repetitive job for the rest of your life. Humans are naturally curious and creative. Robots will enable us to be more than just a 9-5.
Because what if that doesn't happen, what if we just get a big side of the population unemployed
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What? The problem with robots is that they are going to take a lot of jobs, every single robot means like 100 unemployed. So they become poor, and what are you going to do with half of a country poor because all their jobs where taken by robots?
Because the entire world uses Visa/Mastercard and it's a mature system that been around for decades. Unionpay has only been around since 2002. Some Unionpay cards already have partnerships with Visa/MC/Discover and can be used anywhere in the USA.
@@HarvardJason Your argument doesn't work because Visa/Mastercard is a company, not some neutral entity. China has every right to promote its own companies and industries. By your logic no Asian company would ever be able to rise in competition because every Western company that offers the same service has the advantage of "being around for decades".
@@jyashin Haojun's question was , "...why YOU want visa or MasterCard to be used in China?". I answered that question by implying that using these mature systems would bring China inline and closer with the rest of the world. I'm not sure why you went off on a tangent with the rest of the post.
@@HarvardJason And I answered your question with the simple explanation - because China has absolutely zero obligation to make Visa or MasterCard available. If you want to do business in China, you do things the Chinese way. The customer is always right.
@@ijulesy and Americans love complaining about fake news. It also takes no action to ban guns although countless innocent Americans die because of mass shooting. I wonder why?
-All the spy sneaking stuff that he speaks of is already done by the US. Just read up on PRISM, the Patriot Act and NSA backdoors. Not forgetting Project Echelon and the Five Eyes (whites) spying community.
I was in China last year and I felt extremely safer than in Europe (I’ve been travelling to some European countries). Feel bad for Chinese people ‘cause they’ve been targeted so much by media :))
China has thousands of years of history... all of which is full of wars. Also, China running over students with tanks suggests the Chinese are not so peaceful. China is an evil authoritarian country and its people are too brainwashed and weak to do anything about it... so they all just feed this evil empire machine. And UN/EU illuminati assholes have infiltrated every western government, including the US, and is actively trying to destroy western ideals of liberty and replace them with authoritarianism...like China... because corrupt power hungry satanists always need more power.
I don't care how accurate those accusations are, but stop saying China like it's every Chinese people's fault. No, we are aware of that, people are going around censorship as much as possible, cashless got popular by itself, and such and such. We are all normal human trying to make our like a little easier and to put up with the condition we have to put up, just like Americans, if you will. I like Bloomberg's economic news, but come on, first social credit (nobody I know in China, even those that work inside the government, heard anything about it), then the spy chip, give us a break and give yourself a break.
Doesn't Britain have tons of CC tv's watching the streets? Don't credit companies in North America track your spending habits? Wow, I m impressed by China's technology....
American credit score is a single score based on a single metric: your loan behavior. It has nothing to do with crimes, crossing the street, etc. etc. and does not rely on facial recognition. I'm not sayin it's OK I'm just saying it's not apples to apples like VOX tried to make it seem.
I feel like this was shallowly researched and poorly communicated. Wechat is so much more than facebook and there are rough "equivalent" platforms that exist, but they've bled into other functions and mutated so much that it's almost erroneous to just say "wechat is the chinese facebook", like no, I can't send my friend $100 via facebook messenger. Yes facial recognition and sesame credit is scary af, government surveillance borders on human rights abuse, but automation happens everywhere. TBH I can't believe the US still SWIPES their credit cards, I was shocked when my server took my card away and made me sign a receipt. The security on that is atrocious.
Have you ever revisited your search history on Google? They got your coordinates even if you turn off the location. oh and recently facebook asks you for every biographical detail and they have ways to figure them out even if you won't tell. Sometimes you think of something that is unrelated to your previous search and the algorithm just nails the suggestions, so much it's scary. Like...one in a million songs you haven't heard in ages and just feel like listening in that precise moment. These companies go beyond the cookies, they have backdoors on cams and mikes. I'm sure even these comments we lay here will have political/diplomatic implications for us in the future, in case of a conflict.
@@aaronkwok7402 not to forget. china is a country that bans criticism. and when it sees criticism, it sends people after you to crush it. not just private companies who sell data, rather a police state who will attack if you make wrong meme. there are people criticizing facebook on facebook meanwhile. authoritarianism is not really about policy, its about criticism and allowing criticism of policy. otherwise that would make australia an authoritarian country for having more stricter lockdown rules than china. people can criticize those policies online.
@acammtt These are tech companies. They hold online wallets for you but they are not banks. They are like Paypal, is paypal a bank? I think you need to get your brain checked.
@@uploaded113redone Ah. Think I need to use simple words. "Beijing is my home base and I have visited 27 cities in China. I have used Visa and Master card in every one of them".
@@nyxawesome9409 I was alluding to a book written by George Orwell titled "1984", sorry I may have gotten ahead of myself as I was replying to someone else's comment and I'm afraid that my comment may have been moved around.
@@joelee5875 Nah don't worry about it.. I was just playing around with the stereotype we had back in the US where if someone's dog was lost we'd knock on all chinese neighbours asking if they'd ate our dog... I liked Animal Farm... will read 1984 too someday.
@@nyxawesome9409 Thank you for the reply, as I also enjoyed the novel Animal Farm and that it was considered a sort of roman a clef at the time and that it was banned in certain countries made it a more compelling read to me and the idea of animals talking made it so much fun, 1984, on the other hand, seemed even more subversive in that some of the ideas from that book still to this day will inform my thinking -not a spoiler- (such as "if 2+2 = 4 then everything else follows") which seems like a simple idea and in some respect is...but on the other hand will leave conclusions un-answered, a cool book and I hope you enjoy it as much as I, warm wishes.
These jaywalking cams are extensive however in the Netherlands they scan our license plates and have the technology to take photos of your lap to check whether you're using a phone while driving so we're actually not that far apart. No public rating system yet, though. Ps those tiltshift timelapses are AWESOME!
95% Chinese leaders from local to national level own the engines degree of higher education. As their counterpart, 95% leaders in developed countries are from law educational degree. All society administration have to be changed base on update technologics. That is why there only 1/5 policise in China compare the USA and rule 1.4b population and much less criminal rate in China.
I don’t care if the government control us or not because doesn’t change my life , I JUST CAN TELL The government provide us the safest place to live I just care this ...
with 1.4 billion population in China, which is essentially, exactly the same as NA(us, canada, mexico) + EU( 50 countries like uk, germany, france....) + Russia's population all combined, the bad news are relatively low if you add up all the negative news from all those western countries as a whole( terrorism, schoolshooting, murdering and so on). China is basically one of the safest country. Kinda find it funny, that people didnt understand that comparing China's news with only another single country is just so wrong to begin with. If China were to have shooting like the US in average, we will have school shooting every few hours. XD
That's what you're thinking now but it won't be what you're thinking about later. My parents from China was poor. When you're poor you just think about eating and getting enough money to buy food. But once enough people can feed themselves, then they look for other things such as education, freedom, equality and other things. Next generation of Chinese will be different, such as myself.
Over 60 percent of China’s GDP and is responsible for more than 80 percent of its jobs is generated by the private sector in 2017 [Xinhua News report]. "Living in a very tightly regulated Communist country - does that bother you?" I found this very first interview question [5'14''] asked by the interviewer to the startup group in Shenzhen very offensive! It shows either the interviewer doesn't understand the culture and the social structure of the country or he hadn't done research prior to the show.
Honestly this guy sounds like my hallmate in London who's from Florida and love to talk about how great china is after half a bottle of vodka and knew absolutely nill about the country. For one thing, workers are not just "hoping to buy a better future for their family" but actually doing so by putting their siblings and kids thru university so that they in turns get to be the engineers. And that does not excuse for all the alienation lack of unionization and everything. Having lived in Shenzhen all my life I have never seen a "j walk facial rec" camera actually functioning instead of playing the demk video. So if that guy from the pub could be so kind to tell me where he got caught by it I would definitely go and take a photo of it just to show my friends. And idk which credit card is he trying to use to get about town but my visa and unionpay works just fine. One more thing, although sns such as fb twitter instagram and youtube are banned alongside most mainstream western media, Amazon (us and uk server) is not. I rely on the us server to replenish my kindle collection regularly. And despite the media ban bloomberg operates an editorial team in China and issues a by-weekly magazine in China in Chinese which my mum enjoys reading. So all in all idk wth this guy is doing acting so ignorant about China cuz they certainly have ppl who can do better.
Oh and one more thing. The social credit system that he did not mention by name works differently than how it was presented here. It does not measure how "obedient" citizens are, it motly keep track of who owes money to be bank and stuff like that. So I guess defulting on a loan is against the law and therefore not "obedient"? Honestly, he could use a lill more vodka and would appear more intellengent
QR code is not just prevalent in Shenzen It is even used by street vendors in more rural areas of China. Actually pretty convenient to do transactions. Literally everything uses QR codes and that includes other non monetary items. However it is linked to your WeChat, which is probably monitored by the Chinese government. It is a convenient way of doing business while keeping tabs on people as well since it is a centralized collection of data. Literally everyone uses WeChat in China.
Automisation with AI tech - Dystopia Cashless society - Dystopia High surveillance society in public locations - Dystopia Wow, this is some next level bs.
This is so ironic because a legislation of fining and jailing unauthorised VPN unsers just took into effect in 2019.. Literally dreading summer break right now.
Of course a technical solution will emerge, but that is not the point - the government will just make it illegal to use a VPS. The only solution is to change the government.
Is this implying you support a country that is destroying churches, replacing bibles with books about Xi (sounds like a page from Hitlers book) jailing tiebetians for no reason, and harvesting organs of political prisoners? Not to meantion the sudden arrests of random Canadians all through China... The list goes on.
@Underscore_ Why can't people feel for the unfortunate wellbeing of other humans in another country? Regardless of the country these are people, and I think everyone has the right to be concerned about other people that are being unrightfully harmed. Imagine if people ignored all the problems about Nazi Germany, these problems should not be ignored. Imagine if you yourself was in a situation where you are a political prisoner because you support freedom of religion or freedom of sexuality or simply a Canadian that has been arrested in china for no reason. Or an Australian who has had their freedom of speech affected from China buying Australian politicians, and being forced to cancel book sales or write papers because if it.
@@johnj8639 You don't understand.On which standard do we held such views.Can the taliban invade the west because they feel sorry for the people being ruled under such an unislamic government? Can china invade other countries to liberate them from the oppression of capitalists? You are already blinded by western propaganda that you fail to see the West are doing the same thing you are complaining about, supporting a far more oppressive regime like Israel and Saudi Arabia just because they are your allies.China still haven't invaded any country in the past 500 years yet here you are feeling as if they are a threat to you while in fact you are a threat to them.
@Underscore_ I mean they Kill people to convert, and are pretty violent them selves - I'm not sure I could consider that ethical or a justifiable example. Also China has a mostly capitalistic economy. I simply don't think people have the right to be jailed without a justifiable cause, I also don't think people should be killed, in many western countries people have a choice of religion and have freedom to express themselves without persecution, I feel these are things that are human rights, that I don't think your examples equate to. Also I'm not saying any country should invade anyone, I'm just saying they at least don't deserve support. Why should I support something I don't believe in? Also China has threatened invasion on Taiwan multiple times, and has multiple disputes across Asia - including countries like Vietnam, South Korea, India, Japan, and the Philippines, just to name a few. China has also had skirmishes with Russia in the past, and has attempted to invade Vietnam before, and has sent troops to support North Korea during the cold war. China has also sent its own military up to the edge of its border with Afghanistan and has likely has its own problems and concerns with Afghanistan as China does with its own Muslim population.
Please leave the political propaganda commentaries out of those videos, present the situation and let the viewers judge it by themselves, the only difference between payment via phone vs credit card is one is way more efficient and convenient, the end.
@Blake Brown Oh so just because he doesn't like how a piece that is supposedly about "technology" turns into a political rant automatically makes him a China ultra-fanatic? Nobody enjoys political side-jabs on a topic that should have absolutely nothing to do with politics.
So, China does a lot of dystopian stuff, but none of these arguments are specific to China. Automated manufacturing isn't unique to China, credit card payments are already tracked, and the US gov can pull records from Google and Facebook whenever they want. I suppose the face recognition jaywalking tickets isn't used elsewhere, but the US uses license plate recognition to ticket and toll all the time. An argument could even be made that selective enforcement is more dystopian than automated enforcement, as it allows the law to be applied unequally based on conscious and unconscious bias.
Quite surprised to see Bloomberg producing such a closed-minded view to another culture. The host has a derisive and biased tone in the video. I really do thought highly of Bloomberg but this really was a surprise.
It seems more that he's INDIGNANT that his fellow WHITE MALE is in the computers of Big Brother, he couldn't give a rats ass about CHINESE people being in it.
you have to have an image of someones face that is also connected to your identity. if they just have your picture it doesn't necessarily mean they know who you are.
Funny how it's always seen from a western perspective. There are 1.5 billion Chinese and just a couple of hundred million western people. Seems to me that we are the divergent not the Chinese.
Bloomberg is right about the automation, I've seen the inside of car factories in Canada and there's only humans at the end where they test the product by driving it. The other bits about Shenzhen are a bit overdone and searching for a problem and reason to hate.
They are not dumb. They see the writing on the wall and intend to automate so that they do not lose their manufacturing hubs as the US and Europe have. Shenzhen looks like it will be a big test bed for what happens when automation displaces suddenly many labourers...
Automation is what keeps coal miners and steel workers out of business even in American Midwest. But when it happens in China Bloomberg reports it like the most awful inhumane thing ever.
There is no scientific evidence of this tho. In reality, workers that are replaced end up being more productive in other sectors of the economy. Overall automation always brings the unployment down (statistically). So don't just assume something just because it makes sense. Check the nubers and the science.
jaywalked and automatically got fined in WECHAT？ Thats just straight BS， cant believe he was the one Bloomberg decided to talk to. Say it to anyone using wechat they will just laugh at you. What a cheap opinion from Bloomberg's content, just kicks me out of this biased video.
yechen pan Wechat is owned and operated by the Chinese Government, and with advancements in A.I. this ticket system actually exist. Look it up. China talks about it in its own media. China owns up to this surveillance.
@@AK-qh4yy And A.I. is not involved in this system. Its pure facial data. And the system is not for tickets. Btw main thing is its impossible for your money to vanish without your knowing.
ur credit card cant work it because u have VISA or Mastercard and in almost whole chinese mainland places just China UnionPay can work, just like FB kinda of things
At least it is much saver then most western countries. Last year I was attack by a staff of a bubble tea store in Zhongshan city. He fleed. I called the policeman and they caught him couple of hours later. Normally in Australia the policeman won't do anything in this situation.
I haven’t brought cash when I went out in the past ten years, and I’m not worried about being robbed if I sleep in the park at 2 am. Can this be done in your country?
Funny, which what your are typing here even what your are talking in front of PC are collected by Google and analyzed. Is that intersting. Keep think about this, if that can make you feel better.
I know this comment is old, but it’s no secret though that all social media and tech companies spy on you. The difference is China is government spying, US and western world is corporations. Either way you’re doomed
@@mattpagel2328 You sound like the braindead troll buddy. Generalizing an entire race is just a wrong argument. You seem like the only drone here devoid of any meaningful wisdom!
Matt Pagel Honestly, I have no right to comment on US society, the international condemnation of US gun culture, or the way Americans have the right and privilege to make their government answerable to them. My concern is simply international military coercion, intervention, and the threat of invasion or military action against any nation that is perceived to threaten US hegemony. I will always be objective as to how the US determines it’s domestic destiny, but let China do China.
@@artonio5887 Yes they do. They model what kind of "Citizen" you are, but for the purpose of targeting ads and predicting future behavior/needs rather than enforcing laws.
@@sogno4771 It is a huge difference. One is actually productive and the other is not. In the United States, we have mass surveillance and yet people get away with crimes regularly while innocent people get convicted for crimes they didnt commit regularly. Public spaces are public already, why not surveil them and prevent criminals from committing crimes and innocent people from wasting their potential sitting in a cell?
To be honest I didn’t see this as dystopian I saw more as the government in control not in a way to suppress freedom in a way to have order and civility. Edit: “The surveillance” is not something new every government has it China is more open about it.
Indeed the CIA probably intrude into people's personal lives more than any other, they just lie about it. The US are just as obsessed with control as any other government.
@@Ironpyrites just like China, so, anyway is bad, and you just now admitted it. Because you're doing smth illegal, it does not give me the right to do the same...
@@areguapiri So what's your problem with getting fined for traffic violation? I lived in california for years and I got a fucking $500 fine for running a light just 0.4s after the light turned right. You get a mail and with photos taken by cameras (you and your car, the time, the location, everything), and a video available online. Are you saying that because US government is pathetically inefficient and wastes tons of taxpayers' money while Americans still wait for hours at DMV, its better than getting something done immediately?
You have to be idiotic to believe that. Unlike in China, here in the U.S we can stand up for our rights and if our government tries to trample on our liberties we can vote em out.
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This is kinda biased because using an AMEX credit card in China obviously won’t work... Even in Canada, some places only accept VISA and MasterCard. Tbh I feel more places accept WeChat than AMEX in Vancouver.
Ashlee used a Visa, not an AMEX.
Chinese government had to force people to accept cash.... imagine! credit cards are out with Nokia
@@haoruchen4216 Cash is even less popular than credit cards in China, paying with phones has covered 95% of the services
David Nicholson AMEX charges more than other card. Then most vendors don’t have Amex or visa pos.
I lived in vancouver i can confirm its true esp in the more chinese places which is pretty much everywhere
Nah, the NSA is doing exactly the same, they just don't tell us.
@ Apple, maybe, but Google FB and Amazon, seriously?
Google and FB are living in advertisement that they will do their best to track their users for precision advertising. Same stuff in Amazon too, they will track you then figure out what you would buy in future, and then push these goods to you.
@@coryplum5375
Why Bloomberg, CNN and FoxNews don't talk about it? US media are the most objective media in the world. US N°1
@@coryplum5375 he was being le smart ironic guy *tips
@ lol， you still live in your fantasy.
US doesn't have the same human rights issues
Here in Europe I've never seen a shop where you can pay with American Express.
It's not a thing outside USA
That card he was using is a VISA, not AmEx. You can see the VISA logo on the back at 3:28.
Diogo Sales He was using a Visa but may I ask where in Europe you live? In Germany I have been using my Amex for everyday stuff like grocery shopping, general shopping, dining, even paying gas? Even IKEA accepts Amex now. It was different 15 years ago but now Amex even has integrated Apple Pay.
@@LalahkPoland. So you are pay with apple pay with charges your credit card, doesn't matter which one is it. It's not the same thing
@@Full_Throttle_no_Brakes I use my Amex physically, not with Apple Pay. I only use Apple Pay for food delivery services. I guess Apple Pay is different in Germany - not all credit cards can be used with Apple Pay (ironically, Amex was the first one in Germany, my German bank still hasn´t enabled my normal CC for Apple pay. ) I just meant to say that American Express is widely used in Germany. Maybe not in smaller towns or stores but I have had no issue paying at the supermarket with it.
@@Lalahk I've never seen Amex in UK or Canada either. Nor Australia, South Korea, Japan, etc. Its mostly an American thing.
I have been a fan of the Bloomberg but as a Shenzhen native and a person lived in the U.S. for 5 years, I would say this video is too biased to be convincible and not informative, when you are even implying automated production line is a bad thing. Of course there are a lot human right problem you can write about in China, but not being able to use an AMEX credit card here is obviously not one of them. I would love to see more episodes of video on China's issues but you have to lay down the facts and be objective to convince people
IM155U PLUS this was biased from the start
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY CHINESE, AND ARE YOU SOMEHOW NOT BIASED????????????
It’s more down to a bigger possibility of government tracking your purchases.
@@krillza the things he pointed out, was it wrong? Are you suggesting people with different nationality can't think logically? If the arguments contradicts with your thought, your logic, you should speak out and explain the parts you disagree about, otherwise you are just brainless & heartless like a piece of living tissue.
You must be very highly ranked on the obedience scale 😂
lmao this dude using AMEX in China. Even in America, some place dont accept American Express.
This crap is staged
Amex is pretty common in China ,Hk even Brazil
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In China Union Pay is used everywhere. I can stage the same propaganda travel to the US and start bitching why they do not accept Union Pay.
Use of Union Pay is smart because of Visa, MasterCard etc. have the roots and servers in the US I don't know why everyone assumes that only systems used in the US have to be used worldwide. In 'Trump era' it only showed how visionary is Chinese government because now the US technologies are not 'reliable' anymore.
@Chuck-U Farly "Your argument would fail because in the US you can use cash" same in China - Union Pay and WeChat is just an alternative payment method nobody force anyone to use it. You have multiple other methods to pay - Cash, Union Pay, WeChat, AliPay and most of the vendors also accept Visa/MasterCard for tourists. Microsoft, Google, Qualcomm are private companies but seems Trump can control what and for who they can offer to the point that they are able to shut down services for Huawei.
I hate to break to it you, but its already way past 1984 if you ask me.
Taking money right from your account via facial recognition just for walking across the road.
Seriously?
The talk in the bar is staged. Facial recognition in the whole country, or just one busy street? People would believe in Godzilla if the news kept showing it. 99% of videos on RUclips are not in your interest.
China's facial recognition system is for sure a real thing and is tied into their social credit system. Look it up.
It was funny watching the gent from australia realize there are things more sinister than a military uniform and a gun.
@@odonnchadha1978 Technology is being used to place the veil over us, the veil that Christ destroyed; but it's only a deception, no match for those who see.
@DAN ZIGLINICKI Apparently not by the look of things but hey what do I know about J walking lol cheers mate
Credit cards are not history - he tried to pay with MasterCard in the country where only UnionPay cards are accepted.
Rafal Hyps MasterCards are accepted at most spots in bigger cities
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143 What do you use?
@John Davis This. In my country, banks which rent these terminals to businesses offer Amex support as an extra (and extra paid) service. Most businesses outside city centers and touristy areas wouldn't go for it because most people use MasterCard or Visa anyway.
@John Davis So he basically set himself up for failure even more!
That’s the most inaccurate description for a VPN I’ve ever heard
Is he really calling automated production lines 'dystopian'? AI is steadily replacing workers in the West too. Do they have a taxi service where drivers work 12 hours a day for peanuts and the company takes 40%? Not that dysfunctional yet then.
Ain't nothin' nice.
Well of course it's dystopian. The west is becoming a dystopia as well. You can't stop automation, we're fucked.
Its called Didi
just another one of the trends taking us there
What makes it “dystopian” is how do you replace all those people in the economy whose jobs have been undercut by automation? Where can they go work next? Unskilled labor isn’t easy to find another job. I’m not saying automation is evil, but how do you help those which you’ve unemployed?
dude i live in shenzhen and I still use cash. it's inconvenient but you can still use it. why does everything the east do have to be a dystopia for americans
You said it yourself. It's "inconvenient" to use PAPER CASH. That is very diferent from what has been happening in the world for the last 200 years.
@@arthurtiradentes and why is it a dystopia? It's not ideal just because it's something that you're not familiar with? countries can be different. The majority of people here prefer things to be this way, you just need to scan to purchase things rather than fumbling around for coins. Everything has its upsides and downsides, stop nitpicking everything's that's going on in foreign countries.
@@arthurtiradentes There is an exploding population in China, so of course the technology here has to move on just as fast to make life easier, that's just how we have to evolve in a world of overpopulation.
@@arthurtiradentes using cash in China is just as "convenient“ as in other countries, its simply better to pay with your phone so you dont have to bother with change and have all the receipts there.
A few months ago, I had been visiting Shenzhen, there was a restaurant ”no cash accept”, that means only the wechat pay or alipay can do, but what a shame, though I have both wechat pay and alipay, but the HK verson cant be used in Mainland.
Ok... there's a bit of misinformation in this video (source: I've lived in China for 10+ years):
1. All shops by law have to accept cash, if they don't accept cash they will get fined if you report them
2. The credit card he's using is probably Mastercard or Visa but in China the card system they use is called UnionPay so if you don't have UnionPay card you'll have to take your Visa/Mastercard to an ATM and withdraw cash (goto step 1)
Now it's entirely possible they'll ban cash in the future .. but it's not happening now and this just makes the entire article seem suspect. Plenty of real news coming out of China, you don't need to make stuff up
There's no reason to ban cash. It'll probably just fall into disuse. Currencies come and go all the time.
Where exactly did he say cash is banned ? He said cash/credit cards is history, ie not widely used anymore.
@@AG-ig8uf No the implication was that you were forced to use alipay/wechat so the government could track you and he was demonstrating that by showing his AMEX or whatever card it was didn't work, when of course it didn't work because it's not a unionpay card. Ridiculous thing about credit card transactions is that even if it was allowed it's not anonymous either. When he was purchasing items, he could have anonymously purchased it using cash.
China's cities are so cyberpunk. I think that's how will looks worldwide cities in the future.
Remind me of "Ghost In the shell". The cyberpunk anime series from Japan.
i hope not, 24/7 surveillance is not my cup of coffee
I'll take the Cyberpunk aesthetics without the social credit fuckery.
Got the credit card/QR code part seriously wrong - credit cards, or debit cards still work in all of the machines in the video, however, most convenience stores or supermarkets do not accept foreign cards like Mastercard or VISA - only Chinese credit/debit cards with the UnionPay sign on it is accepted.
And of course in america they accept all foreign cards too...
@@thegombie Is this sarcasm
HOW COME THE CHINESE WONT SUCUMB TO ALL AMERICAN COMPANIES AND USE ONLY WHAT WE MAKE THEM USE?? ABSURD!
@@leandrrob 'How dare a sovereign nation not emulate my empire? Dont they know me and my culture are supreme and they must supplicate to my superior methods?' - paraphrased from this presenter
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If you do not think other governments do the same snooping, then you are a fool.
Fool and a tool indeed
sure but I dont get fines for jay walking that are detected by cameras with facial recognition software. It is on another scale my dude.
Ask *Edward Snowden*
Every government snoops on its people, but no other government even comes close to China when it comes to using that information punitively. The US and Europe are bad in this regard, but China has somehow managed to find a way to be orders of magnitude worse.
@@Cosmo1093 100%
0:15 "tech knowhow (shows whites), cheap manufacturing (shows Chinese)"
um...
Spot on, speaking of subtle brainwashing, China has a long way to catch up the West.
Bloomberg, partial? How come.
*reality*
The Communist Party’s brainwashing method has clearly not improved. It is still using the way of the 1950s, and the United States has evolved into the best brainwashing method of the 21st century. It’s awesome.
Funny considering whites in china are 99% either (vaguely qualified) english teachers or journalists/vloggers
I remember when Shenzhen didn’t have paved roads.
welcome to the future
@@juice8._777and metro systems too (dat timing im in south Asian art class and seeing the word "paved" in the og comment and the video we're watching said "paved)
Thank you for sharing this video. I'm a home based independent maker based in Hong Kong who contribute to multiple open source projects and do regular supply runs or online orders in Shenzhen. Most of your points about the observation are objective with sound reasoning. In the future, I have a humble request that if your publications intend to introduce to the world to rather unconventional ways of human cooperation that is currently being experimented in Shenzhen or other parts of China with technology as a key enabler, please kindly consider not using subjective words like 'Dystopia' and let audience judge for themselves with reason. Humanity does not know enough yet to actually make judgement on whether this is 'Dystopia' or 'Utopia or anywhere in between, this is just so new to us. In the name of reason and science, unless there is other hidden purposes, please kindly consider my thoughts above.
You been to China ?
Communism wreaks over there
It drains the spirit
@@freedinner886 Hope you are well. Yes, even lived there before. Do you mind sharing your logic, evidence you observed and understanding of Communism in China in its present form which drains the spirit? I'm genuinely interested to know, politely and humbly wish to learn from others. I've spent years of my life living (not travelling) in North America, China, Hong Kong, Europe and South Asia (if you count travelling under span of 3 months, it includes a lot more regions). I have some interesting observations about logical errors that people make about other populations in unfamiliar regions (both East to West, West to East), many of which date back to many events in modern history. I might still be wrong, but at least I can contribute my observations together with books, papers, and resources I have consumed from different channels, to offer some balanced and objective food for thought in the name of science & reason, not ideology nor race nor nation.
nah, don’t be silly that a western media will be objective about China . Bloomberg is at least much better than BBC, FOX..
@@seanyu24 the notion that a western media will always be biased about other places is a bias in itself, the same applies the other way around. Even if what you are saying is true among many, I choose to have some hope in the reasoning ability of the many editors in media channels. If most people in both east and west continue with this mindset and presumed notion, the differences will continue to accumulate until up to a point we are so different that only violence can remove the differences.
@@20sffactory wow another person that actually gets it i thought i was the only one
Is this supposed to be a journalistic work?
LOL mainstream outlets like Blookberg hasn't been journalism for 20 yrs.
not a journalistic work anymore, but insinuation.
There's no more objective information anymore, everything is based off of how things make people feel. At least the government has our best interest at heart... Yeah right!
@@hud86 I still believe The NYT’s investigations to be the best and most objective of all.
Delivered enough info
Poor journalism... Why make conclusive remarks, instead of presenting data/facts and letting the viewers decide for themselves?
Cos, this is called "propaganda”，demonize China, it will make some WHITES feel superior and better deep inside, forget about the hard cold truth, everyone is a puppet controlled by BIG BROTHER, eventually......
@@jasonhsu3375 maybe cause china actually is a terror state
@@williamdissing2197 whatever you say, pigskin xD
@@pasterofmuppets666 haha okay, black women love it so thats what i care about, i dont argue with men with female traits so im gonna bounce
@@random4052 did China terror you butt? wished you dream come true
I spent months in Shenzhen in 2006. The factories they have are crazy huge. Then there is another building right next to it where the workers sleep. Kind of like a dorm. I'm from California and it was eye-opening to see that everyone lives in a highrise building. People buy and sell for the lease rights for these apartments like used cars. They also don't have racial problems because everyone is Chinese. I rode a lot of mass transit like buses and trains and people were so quiet. I was kind of odd. You also can't get in or out of the city without going through a checkpoint. I had to get out of the Taxi and go through security to go out to the country to the factories. Then the same procedure on the way back into the city.
Not everyone "is Chinese", they do have a racism problem, minions of Uyghurs are in concentration camps in Western China, and not everyone lives in a highrise, millions of people are in poverty, they are the same as most of the earth, but with more racism and more authoritarianism.
I think the US is the only one who laughed of QR years ago....
Salad Spinner
QR was invented in Japan in the mid 80s, where it was equally derided. Japan pays the price today as the main QR e-cash payments operator active in Japan today is an Indian company.
@@augustusfukushima5979 How the mighty have fallen.
@Salad Spinner
because we love freedom.
figot latenby muh freedom ur living in a shithole mate
Then how do you guys rent a electric scooter
Coffee shops not accepting American Express is not a sign of a dystopia. It's a sign of the coffee shop not being located within the borders of the United States of America. Those machines would have accepted Visa and MasterCard just fine.
Also, replacing manual labour with machines is a sign of a dystopia? What country is not a dystopia then, North Korea? RUclips needs to stop recommending this trash journalism to me.
"Also, replacing manual labour with machines is a sign of a dystopia?"
Well, consider the fact that most people on the planet work for a living and aren't upper middle class rich kids from California, and you'll quickly see how much of a problem this is.
China alone has 600 million working class people; where are you going to put them when their labor is obsolete? Just gonna let them starve to death?
What about the instant charge over Jay walking? That seems pretty dystopian to me...
The one that really bothers me is the facial recognition. While it may just ticket you for jay walking it may also track exactly where you are all the time.
@@crissd8283 Not only that, let's say it's wrong and you are instantly charged a fine...
@@tommitchell8708 Worse - imagine it gets stuck in a loop and charges you billions of dollars in fines. Also imagine if government arbitrarily just takes money from dissidents and people they don't like and leaves them penniless and fucked.
In Japan they still have the old fashioned peer pressure system, if you jaywalk there, the people will creepily stare at you until you commit harakiri out of 'shame' 🤣🤦♂️🤣
Please do you hara-kiri
"system"?
@@jasonfanclub4267 Guess it means cutting open your own belly to show your repent
Are you fucking serious?
Darkvine Your point is?
This guy is like a Vice journalist with even less charm.
OOOOF poor ashlee
I prefer it to Vice's sensationalism.
or like a teethless vampire
I don't see how law enforcement combined with technology makes China dystopian. Most law-abiding citizens in China have no issues with that.
Their social credit system that prohibits or punishes various forms of dissent against the status quo alongside legally enforced censorship on a myriad of media cements their dystopian status. Bear in mind the country is one of the richest in the world and still has ~3 million slaves and has quarantined a suspected 1 million Uyghur Muslims while forcing them to live with government agents, simply for existing.
It goes much deeper as these same methods are used to track opponents of the government
@@ericmanget4280 Bruh! All yoi said ia pire propaganda and bs. The social credit system is not implemented in China and their is no genocide of any kind. Wake up!
@@jaypeedesuyo662 Work on your english before you accept propaganda money.
+100 social credits 😀🇨🇳
So, basically all they're saying is "China scaaawy". Hate to break it to the creators of this "content", but the entire world is moving in a dystopian direction. Singling China out without examining the dark side of tech in the West is rather hypocritical, to say the least.
Bruh, it’s wayyyh more prominent in China, the fact that we can even talk about it in the west is way better than the information black hole that is China
Nicholas Trice if the ccp sees you as a problem they will send you to a re education camp. And if you continue to be a thorn in their side they may throw you in jail, torture you, or harvest your organs. It already happens to falon gong practioners. the ccp is also hard at work trying eliminate chinese culture.
I am very surprised at how often I have to state this, but its different. The west, its a scandal. The east, its normal. That is a huge difference.
There's been a lot of talk and examination of the dark side of tech in the West. Especially where censorship is concerned. This video happens to be about China, but if you look up some videos on this topic as it applies in the US, you'll see similar comments on those as well. I don't approve of totalitarian governments anywhere. Not here, not in China, not anywhere.
I have visited Shanghai and China many times. I'm a nobody before retirement blessed with a job, a traditional Chinese wife , in laws & Chinese friends that allowed me to visit and reside in China for months at a time. I will always be grateful since I have visited more places, seen more things in China that most born Chinese have done. Name it, I've been there for most of China & it was just magnificent. Yes I've been to to the USA, Europe, UK, Asia, New Zealand many times & all have their attributes but I would never place one over the other. Travel is just the best! I now live in Sydney, OZ and love it.This is my final home!
Your social credit score has increased by 20 points! Keep it up and your travel restrictions will lift in 5 years. All Hail the CCP!
"Something called a VPN" ..... This obviously was written by someone over 35!
Or in mind that there may be people watching that have never heard of a VPN.
or younger than 5
I have to object! I am over 35, this must be written by someone over 65 at least.
TOR and (or) expressVPN works well. However the great firewall of china is reasonably advanced. So it could technically,,, still monitor your use. Arron Swarts would have been 33 this November 2019... so you still have a point for 2 more years. After that your'll need to revise your ageist views.
I'm 40 and know what a VPN is.
The dash board dog is a surveillance camera...
The extreme surveillance of its citizens? Well that's what happens when you have to answer to the government instead of the government answering to you.
You think extreme surveillance like in US where government spying own people with little or no control and private billionaires who spying all without any control? About China surveillance, you know that you haven't any proof or example of it except propaganda? We know it.
@wheels turn sure you must be some crazy liberal ( rapist would go on and kill 10 kids???) wtf you talking about stick camera in your ass if You like it , Yet don't tell people what to do to be "protected" ITS FAKE
The government answers to the people. Hate to break it to you, but you, an individual, is not a representation of the people. There are a few things that are in the collective interest of humanity: safety, prosperity, opportunity, and a better future for our children. If the government can provide all this and more, why should they answer to you?
@@comradeproletariat9946 If you thing Government will give you safety, prosperity, opportunity, and a better future for our children. sorry to tell You that, You are delusional IDIOT.
Optivita What you don’t get is that Chinese government does give safety, prosperity, opportunities and a better future to Chinese, with great improvements year by year. Do you know that the average purchase power of salaries in China has increased about 400% in 25 years? Safety? China is much safer than US and Canada. I’m talking about walking on street at night or gun shots.
Shenzhen suddenly became a popular city, and its popularity in the world has increased. . .
John Johnson most Americans dont know what Shenzhen is. A lot of Chinese people know washington or new york but probably dont know a city like Seatle or San Fransisco.
@John Johnson Lmao. Aren't all ppl in the west have been taught China is still "staying" in the 1950s, with full of poverty and slums all over the place?
@John Johnson it is famous only in your shitty head.
@John Johnson you sound like gay
@John Johnson If u r in hardware business and you tell ppl that you don't know what Shenzhen is, then you will be a joke, trust me
I am not Chinese, but I feel that our country is also entering the dystopian era.
Since 10 years ago, many jobs have disappeared in our country, and the gap between rich and poor has increased by 20%.
The government continues to regulate and control the media and press.
What is surprising is that our country is never a poor country. Nevertheless, we looks at the dystopian era.
I don't know who can solve this huge problem.
What country you're in?
I agree the invasion of privacy thing is a scary thing. But what's also scary to me is that a country that was a third world country just 20 years ago is now in many ways more technologically advanced than us. British colonialism nearly destroyed China, but I guess the old adage what doesn't kill you makes you stronger may sometimes hold true.
no one cares, hated by everyone
@GovernmentOverreach lol .Do You really 'know'
@@mitchkan4948 do you?smh
@@osamajordan288 ask yourself
The term "Third world" means countries who are not align to either of the two major blocks in the Cold war. I don't understand why Westerners used this outdated term to refer less develop countries.
I lived there 5 years. It's just another city in China.
Oh, so you mean they're all like that? That somehow doesn't reassure me.
Your children will disappear into Chinese culture.
@Papyrus Okagbue For now that is. Im not worried at all. The Chinese has their priority straight. Soft power will come into their focus once their other projects are completed. Afterall soft power is just an illusion.
@@deduzz When even your officials wear western clothes how could you expect world to wear chinese clothes. It's a fool's dream.
I disagree. I traveled through Shanghai to Suzhou and finally to Shenzhen. Shenzhen has a youthful vibe and with close proximity to Hong Kong, the food and culture felt totally different from Shanghai and the industrial feeling of Suzhou.
Getting fined by facial recognition and the money exiting your account without it being authorised by you is crazzzy.
i'm in shenzhen 20 years，that's impossible
Funky Disciple China should develop high technology, China should learn more, China is still a poor country.
I never heard something like that. I don't think it is 100 percent true.
+Funky. You just wait and see. They will add similar fines for protesting or stating something the Communist dictatorship doesnt like.
getting shot in the head by gunman while standing on the street is also crazy. a Chinese dude got shot in the head while waiting for Uber in NYC Queens this week. if he stayed in China I promise you he would have been alive now.
automation is bad? exactly why?
why is it so important to be a slave, we should just have better distribution of resources and we'll be fine
people like working so much, and if you say something like this in germany, "i would prefer not to work and let the robot do everything", they will definetly hunt you down hahaha. Its a very stupid ideology.
Its bad because we live under an oppressive capitalist system.
@@JMM333 Working is not the problem, it's being stuck in a mindless repetitive job for the rest of your life. Humans are naturally curious and creative. Robots will enable us to be more than just a 9-5.
Because what if that doesn't happen, what if we just get a big side of the population unemployed
What? The problem with robots is that they are going to take a lot of jobs, every single robot means like 100 unemployed. So they become poor, and what are you going to do with half of a country poor because all their jobs where taken by robots?
Unionpay cannot be used in most places in the USA, why you want visa or MasterCard to be used in China? Double standard?
Because the entire world uses Visa/Mastercard and it's a mature system that been around for decades. Unionpay has only been around since 2002. Some Unionpay cards already have partnerships with Visa/MC/Discover and can be used anywhere in the USA.
@@HarvardJason Your argument doesn't work because Visa/Mastercard is a company, not some neutral entity. China has every right to promote its own companies and industries. By your logic no Asian company would ever be able to rise in competition because every Western company that offers the same service has the advantage of "being around for decades".
@@jyashin Haojun's question was , "...why YOU want visa or MasterCard to be used in China?". I answered that question by implying that using these mature systems would bring China inline and closer with the rest of the world. I'm not sure why you went off on a tangent with the rest of the post.
@@HarvardJason And I answered your question with the simple explanation - because China has absolutely zero obligation to make Visa or MasterCard available. If you want to do business in China, you do things the Chinese way. The customer is always right.
Also bullshit. Unionpay is accepted almost everywhere in the US. Have you ever even been in the US?
The guy kept talking about Chinese surveillance as if the NSA is not watching people using facebook, youtube, google. Remember Snowden?
NSA doesn't block half the internet though
@@ijulesy and Americans love complaining about fake news. It also takes no action to ban guns although countless innocent Americans die because of mass shooting. I wonder why?
Cameron Bell but Chinese people don’t use that half the internet. Chinese have their own half.
What the world actually needs is journalism based on facts only and not on personal opinion being shoved down our throats constantly.
One hundred and thirty eight million Chinese went on holiday in 2019...every single one of them returned home to China. Zero defectors.
China:"Our surveillance tech is the best!"
CIA:"LMFAO"
I agree
NSA: Hold my beer.
😂
-All the spy sneaking stuff that he speaks of is already done by the US. Just read up on PRISM, the Patriot Act and NSA backdoors. Not forgetting Project Echelon and the Five Eyes (whites) spying community.
China has never started a war in the last 60 years. How many war has America started. Chinese in general are peaceful.
lol if you don't know about civil war it doesn't mean it doesn't happen
I was in China last year and I felt extremely safer than in Europe (I’ve been travelling to some European countries). Feel bad for Chinese people ‘cause they’ve been targeted so much by media :))
China has thousands of years of history... all of which is full of wars. Also, China running over students with tanks suggests the Chinese are not so peaceful.
China is an evil authoritarian country and its people are too brainwashed and weak to do anything about it... so they all just feed this evil empire machine.
And UN/EU illuminati assholes have infiltrated every western government, including the US, and is actively trying to destroy western ideals of liberty and replace them with authoritarianism...like China... because corrupt power hungry satanists always need more power.
I don't care how accurate those accusations are, but stop saying China like it's every Chinese people's fault. No, we are aware of that, people are going around censorship as much as possible, cashless got popular by itself, and such and such. We are all normal human trying to make our like a little easier and to put up with the condition we have to put up, just like Americans, if you will. I like Bloomberg's economic news, but come on, first social credit (nobody I know in China, even those that work inside the government, heard anything about it), then the spy chip, give us a break and give yourself a break.
Thr more dramatic the story, the better.
They criticize the the government and corporations rather than the people.
They're spreading fake news because it sells in the US. And they're paid by the government to spread propaganda.
During the pandemic in 2020 when I’ve been visiting restaurants many of them are choosing to use QR code’s instead of menus.
What pandemic was that ?
The Mass Hysteria one
It's called 'getting things in through the back door'.....
Doesn't Britain have tons of CC tv's watching the streets? Don't credit companies in North America track your spending habits? Wow, I m impressed by China's technology....
credit companies can't arrest you.
American credit score is a single score based on a single metric: your loan behavior. It has nothing to do with crimes, crossing the street, etc. etc. and does not rely on facial recognition. I'm not sayin it's OK I'm just saying it's not apples to apples like VOX tried to make it seem.
They misspelled utopia
I feel like this was shallowly researched and poorly communicated. Wechat is so much more than facebook and there are rough "equivalent" platforms that exist, but they've bled into other functions and mutated so much that it's almost erroneous to just say "wechat is the chinese facebook", like no, I can't send my friend $100 via facebook messenger. Yes facial recognition and sesame credit is scary af, government surveillance borders on human rights abuse, but automation happens everywhere. TBH I can't believe the US still SWIPES their credit cards, I was shocked when my server took my card away and made me sign a receipt. The security on that is atrocious.
Guess why will still swipe our cards!! Answer: we have less credit card fraud! Imagine that! Also you can send money on FB.
That is so disgusting，I can't imagine how cruel to live with this kind of ......Biased media
all kinds of bias man. its different from criticism
The West can only sell the ads thru China daily bashing programs 😂
OMG Shenzhen makes New York City look like Calcutta.
K K what do u mean
Thats a stretch
So right. America is technically so far behind these days.
@@admin4830 Better how? I can't see to find people who likes NY nowdays...
Paulo Vinícius Cali not far behind but getting there.
Have you ever revisited your search history on Google? They got your coordinates even if you turn off the location.
oh and recently facebook asks you for every biographical detail and they have ways to figure them out even if you won't tell.
Sometimes you think of something that is unrelated to your previous search and the algorithm just nails the suggestions, so much it's scary. Like...one in a million songs you haven't heard in ages and just feel like listening in that precise moment. These companies go beyond the cookies, they have backdoors on cams and mikes.
I'm sure even these comments we lay here will have political/diplomatic implications for us in the future, in case of a conflict.
Aaron Kwok these people are really so delusional that they think the US is the same as China....
@@dustinjdeal Because most of these "people" commenting are actually bots!
@@aaronkwok7402 not to forget. china is a country that bans criticism.
and when it sees criticism, it sends people after you to crush it. not just private companies who sell data, rather a police state who will attack if you make wrong meme.
there are people criticizing facebook on facebook meanwhile.
authoritarianism is not really about policy, its about criticism and allowing criticism of policy.
otherwise that would make australia an authoritarian country for having more stricter lockdown rules than china.
people can criticize those policies online.
Yeah as if your bank will not know where you spend your money.
@Abdigani Aden WeChat is from Tencent, and Alipay is from Alibaba, they are both companies not the state government.
@acammtt no they are not lol. They might be just as morally bankrupt as each other, but they are not the same.
@acammtt These are tech companies. They hold online wallets for you but they are not banks. They are like Paypal, is paypal a bank? I think you need to get your brain checked.
As a Chinese, I have never encountered a government fine directly from WeChat, and we have not heard of the government doing this.
Dude Amex is basically supported only in the US. MasterCard and Visa rules the world.
That card he was using is a VISA, not AmEx. You can see the VISA logo on the back at 3:28.
@@stevew3978 he chose the wrong account then, need to chose credit
@@stevew3978 Visa works everywhere in China.. How do I know that? I have been in Beijing for 6 years.
@@ravik007ggn TIL Beijing is the only city in China , so you've been everywhere in china but you have been in Beijing for 6 years
@@uploaded113redone Ah. Think I need to use simple words. "Beijing is my home base and I have visited 27 cities in China. I have used Visa and Master card in every one of them".
i think the us feels threatened
China is over U.S already
Me: is that chicken?
Chinese citizen: laughs nervously.
Chinese citizen: No we have a different name for that here.
@@joelee5875 What? Pooch... :-P
@@nyxawesome9409 I was alluding to a book written by George Orwell titled "1984", sorry I may have gotten ahead of myself as I was replying to someone else's comment and I'm afraid that my comment may have been moved around.
@@joelee5875 Nah don't worry about it.. I was just playing around with the stereotype we had back in the US where if someone's dog was lost we'd knock on all chinese neighbours asking if they'd ate our dog... I liked Animal Farm... will read 1984 too someday.
@@nyxawesome9409 Thank you for the reply, as I also enjoyed the novel Animal Farm and that it was considered a sort of roman a clef at the time and that it was banned in certain countries made it a more compelling read to me and the idea of animals talking made it so much fun, 1984, on the other hand, seemed even more subversive in that some of the ideas from that book still to this day will inform my thinking -not a spoiler- (such as "if 2+2 = 4 then everything else follows") which seems like a simple idea and in some respect is...but on the other hand will leave conclusions un-answered, a cool book and I hope you enjoy it as much as I, warm wishes.
These jaywalking cams are extensive however in the Netherlands they scan our license plates and have the technology to take photos of your lap to check whether you're using a phone while driving so we're actually not that far apart. No public rating system yet, though.
Ps those tiltshift timelapses are AWESOME!
95% Chinese leaders from local to national level own the engines degree of higher education. As their counterpart, 95% leaders in developed countries are from law educational degree.
All society administration have to be changed base on update technologics. That is why there only 1/5 policise in China compare the USA and rule 1.4b population and much less criminal rate in China.
习近平，李克强都是学文科的，现在的政治局常委里，有工程师出身的吗？
@@djmuscovy7525 习在清华学的是化学。
@@nlmw 他一个初中毕业的工农兵大学生 就算了
Stfu Engineer!
I don’t care if the government control us or not because doesn’t change my life , I JUST CAN TELL The government provide us the safest place to live I just care this ...
with 1.4 billion population in China, which is essentially, exactly the same as NA(us, canada, mexico) + EU( 50 countries like uk, germany, france....) + Russia's population all combined, the bad news are relatively low if you add up all the negative news from all those western countries as a whole( terrorism, schoolshooting, murdering and so on). China is basically one of the safest country. Kinda find it funny, that people didnt understand that comparing China's news with only another single country is just so wrong to begin with. If China were to have shooting like the US in average, we will have school shooting every few hours. XD
That's what you're thinking now but it won't be what you're thinking about later. My parents from China was poor. When you're poor you just think about eating and getting enough money to buy food. But once enough people can feed themselves, then they look for other things such as education, freedom, equality and other things. Next generation of Chinese will be different, such as myself.
@@singingirand7925 You don't look like someone from China by the last name.
@Fanniumen 300 people dead isnt a shocking number in today consideing mass shootings and terrorist events
@@HandsomeRabbit8 Or I'm just smart enough not to use my real last name on the internet
Over 60 percent of China’s GDP and is responsible for more than 80 percent of its jobs is generated by the private sector in 2017 [Xinhua News report]. "Living in a very tightly regulated Communist country - does that bother you?" I found this very first interview question [5'14''] asked by the interviewer to the startup group in Shenzhen very offensive! It shows either the interviewer doesn't understand the culture and the social structure of the country or he hadn't done research prior to the show.
Honestly this guy sounds like my hallmate in London who's from Florida and love to talk about how great china is after half a bottle of vodka and knew absolutely nill about the country. For one thing, workers are not just "hoping to buy a better future for their family" but actually doing so by putting their siblings and kids thru university so that they in turns get to be the engineers. And that does not excuse for all the alienation lack of unionization and everything.
Having lived in Shenzhen all my life I have never seen a "j walk facial rec" camera actually functioning instead of playing the demk video. So if that guy from the pub could be so kind to tell me where he got caught by it I would definitely go and take a photo of it just to show my friends.
And idk which credit card is he trying to use to get about town but my visa and unionpay works just fine.
One more thing, although sns such as fb twitter instagram and youtube are banned alongside most mainstream western media, Amazon (us and uk server) is not. I rely on the us server to replenish my kindle collection regularly. And despite the media ban bloomberg operates an editorial team in China and issues a by-weekly magazine in China in Chinese which my mum enjoys reading.
So all in all idk wth this guy is doing acting so ignorant about China cuz they certainly have ppl who can do better.
Oh and one more thing. The social credit system that he did not mention by name works differently than how it was presented here. It does not measure how "obedient" citizens are, it motly keep track of who owes money to be bank and stuff like that. So I guess defulting on a loan is against the law and therefore not "obedient"? Honestly, he could use a lill more vodka and would appear more intellengent
Maybe he got payed to say it. .
QR code is not just prevalent in Shenzen
It is even used by street vendors in more rural areas of China.
Actually pretty convenient to do transactions. Literally everything uses QR codes and that includes other non monetary items.
However it is linked to your WeChat, which is probably monitored by the Chinese government. It is a convenient way of doing business while keeping tabs on people as well since it is a centralized collection of data.
Literally everyone uses WeChat in China.
“Cash and Credit cards are history”
🤔🤔🤔. 3:57
But all of those places had credit card machines...?
Leonidas yes, native people rarely use it. It’s mainly for foreign travelers
@@gcyalbert then it's not history, it's still there in use
@@zumis1011 in a sense but this is the gradual step to phase it out
@@gcyalbert wasn't he a foreign traveler yet he couldn't use the credit card I think it was a set up to bring about the story of the scanning code
Almost 40% of Chinese population use WeChat. Mostly the elders use cash.
I am a Chinese, I deeply love and respect every kind people ,wherever you come from , whatever you do.
I am grateful for everybody who is peaceful and trying to be better and contribute to humanity. Love from Spain. :)
Automisation with AI tech - Dystopia
Cashless society - Dystopia
High surveillance society in public locations - Dystopia
Wow, this is some next level bs.
I know right? It's as if boomers wrote the script, oh wait.
Thanks CCP for making China the safest country to live using tech.
This is so ironic because a legislation of fining and jailing unauthorised VPN unsers just took into effect in 2019.. Literally dreading summer break right now.
Get a VPS...
Of course a technical solution will emerge, but that is not the point - the government will just make it illegal to use a VPS. The only solution is to change the government.
Where is your source for this?
black metal enthusiast. 6661 how do they know if your using a vpn
stop fucking spread rumors about banning VPN. there has been rumors like that, thanks Western propagandas.
Black Mirror's Nosedive is becoming a reality.
Dystopia? Are you kidding me, SF , LA, Seattle, or Philadelphia would fit the bill with drug dealers and homeless population
Americans being cynical.. like if they weren't spying on everyone..
Is this implying you support a country that is destroying churches, replacing bibles with books about Xi (sounds like a page from Hitlers book) jailing tiebetians for no reason, and harvesting organs of political prisoners? Not to meantion the sudden arrests of random Canadians all through China... The list goes on.
@@johnj8639 Why can't USA keep the their nose in their own domestic issues?
@Underscore_ Why can't people feel for the unfortunate wellbeing of other humans in another country? Regardless of the country these are people, and I think everyone has the right to be concerned about other people that are being unrightfully harmed. Imagine if people ignored all the problems about Nazi Germany, these problems should not be ignored. Imagine if you yourself was in a situation where you are a political prisoner because you support freedom of religion or freedom of sexuality or simply a Canadian that has been arrested in china for no reason. Or an Australian who has had their freedom of speech affected from China buying Australian politicians, and being forced to cancel book sales or write papers because if it.
@@johnj8639 You don't understand.On which standard do we held such views.Can the taliban invade the west because they feel sorry for the people being ruled under such an unislamic government? Can china invade other countries to liberate them from the oppression of capitalists? You are already blinded by western propaganda that you fail to see the West are doing the same thing you are complaining about, supporting a far more oppressive regime like Israel and Saudi Arabia just because they are your allies.China still haven't invaded any country in the past 500 years yet here you are feeling as if they are a threat to you while in fact you are a threat to them.
@Underscore_ I mean they Kill people to convert, and are pretty violent them selves - I'm not sure I could consider that ethical or a justifiable example. Also China has a mostly capitalistic economy. I simply don't think people have the right to be jailed without a justifiable cause, I also don't think people should be killed, in many western countries people have a choice of religion and have freedom to express themselves without persecution, I feel these are things that are human rights, that I don't think your examples equate to. Also I'm not saying any country should invade anyone, I'm just saying they at least don't deserve support. Why should I support something I don't believe in? Also China has threatened invasion on Taiwan multiple times, and has multiple disputes across Asia - including countries like Vietnam, South Korea, India, Japan, and the Philippines, just to name a few. China has also had skirmishes with Russia in the past, and has attempted to invade Vietnam before, and has sent troops to support North Korea during the cold war. China has also sent its own military up to the edge of its border with Afghanistan and has likely has its own problems and concerns with Afghanistan as China does with its own Muslim population.
Please leave the political propaganda commentaries out of those videos, present the situation and let the viewers judge it by themselves, the only difference between payment via phone vs credit card is one is way more efficient and convenient, the end.
@Blake Brown Oh so just because he doesn't like how a piece that is supposedly about "technology" turns into a political rant automatically makes him a China ultra-fanatic? Nobody enjoys political side-jabs on a topic that should have absolutely nothing to do with politics.
So, China does a lot of dystopian stuff, but none of these arguments are specific to China. Automated manufacturing isn't unique to China, credit card payments are already tracked, and the US gov can pull records from Google and Facebook whenever they want. I suppose the face recognition jaywalking tickets isn't used elsewhere, but the US uses license plate recognition to ticket and toll all the time. An argument could even be made that selective enforcement is more dystopian than automated enforcement, as it allows the law to be applied unequally based on conscious and unconscious bias.
but this is propaganda from american fake news media, the aim is to make china look bad
Let's see how life is in Detroit
Well they do have facial recognition cameras there
Or Kensington Ave, Philadelphia 😂 The irony that the "journalist" thinks Shenzhen is a "dystopia"...
Electronic manufacturing has been this way for the last 25 years.
Its just getting bigger, better, faster, stronger. And much, much more advanced.
Quite surprised to see Bloomberg producing such a closed-minded view to another culture. The host has a derisive and biased tone in the video. I really do thought highly of Bloomberg but this really was a surprise.
Dennis Lin i know right, so many anti China propaganda these days. Just because they are not a democratic nation doesn't mean they are enemies.
He seemed pretty stoked on the culture.
Not so stoked on the facial recognition scan that fined that guy.
NOBODY SHOULD BE STOKED ON THAT.
Bloomberg is always bias when it comes to china
@6:15 . . . supposed tech worker is surprised that everyone's face is in a facial recognition system designed to capture everyone's face? SMH.
It seems more that he's INDIGNANT that his fellow WHITE MALE is in the computers of Big Brother, he couldn't give a rats ass about CHINESE people being in it.
you have to have an image of someones face that is also connected to your identity. if they just have your picture it doesn't necessarily mean they know who you are.
@@amandagirlygirl12 nah, you're reaching
@@amandagirlygirl12 Ai you just had to bring race into it didn't you?
@@ayizeb9299 morons always resort to race bashing when they have no constructive criticism
Funny how it's always seen from a western perspective. There are 1.5 billion Chinese and just a couple of hundred million western people. Seems to me that we are the divergent not the Chinese.
Bloomberg is right about the automation, I've seen the inside of car factories in Canada and there's only humans at the end where they test the product by driving it. The other bits about Shenzhen are a bit overdone and searching for a problem and reason to hate.
They are not dumb. They see the writing on the wall and intend to automate so that they do not lose their manufacturing hubs as the US and Europe have. Shenzhen looks like it will be a big test bed for what happens when automation displaces suddenly many labourers...
Already this is happening in India for last 10 years... Most of the car manufacturing is automated by robots made in Germany
@@virtualatall Soon I wonder what will happen in the world once manufacturing is no longer a possibility
Automation is what keeps coal miners and steel workers out of business even in American Midwest. But when it happens in China Bloomberg reports it like the most awful inhumane thing ever.
There is no scientific evidence of this tho. In reality, workers that are replaced end up being more productive in other sectors of the economy. Overall automation always brings the unployment down (statistically).
So don't just assume something just because it makes sense. Check the nubers and the science.
You should have interviewed Serpentza, amirite?
@Mycel He's been much more critical of China lately and is even leaving the country soon
o look who's here
That guy is as negative as a person can ever possibly be. If you love watching people complain about stuff, then by all means.
No. He should have interviewed China Uncensored team.
Naomi cyborg does fine there.
Silicon Valley, inside America's dystopian present.
Steven Zheng, inside Chinese government sponsored comment bots.
@@painexotic3757 another mindless Western zombie
@@Trgn another brainwashed commie who thinks being enslaved by his government is "freedom" lol.
+Steven Zheng
Exept in silicon valley you won't mysteriously disappear if you criticize the government.
damn man i feel bad for anyone living in these countries. How the fuk isnt the whole country protesting, sad.
jaywalked and automatically got fined in WECHAT？ Thats just straight BS， cant believe he was the one Bloomberg decided to talk to.
Say it to anyone using wechat they will just laugh at you. What a cheap opinion from Bloomberg's content, just kicks me out of this biased video.
yechen pan Wechat is owned and operated by the Chinese Government, and with advancements in A.I. this ticket system actually exist. Look it up. China talks about it in its own media. China owns up to this surveillance.
@@AK-qh4yy Wechat is owned by Tencent. Ali pay is owned by ALIBABA
@@AK-qh4yy And A.I. is not involved in this system. Its pure facial data. And the system is not for tickets. Btw main thing is its impossible for your money to vanish without your knowing.
Yeah! I know! That is so not true!
I live in Shanghai and I am Chinese btw. Why he make such a lie to deface China like that....
ur credit card cant work it because u have VISA or Mastercard and in almost whole chinese mainland places just China UnionPay can work, just like FB kinda of things
At least it is much saver then most western countries. Last year I was attack by a staff of a bubble tea store in Zhongshan city. He fleed. I called the policeman and they caught him couple of hours later. Normally in Australia the policeman won't do anything in this situation.
I haven’t brought cash when I went out in the past ten years, and I’m not worried about being robbed if I sleep in the park at 2 am. Can this be done in your country?
This is so incredibly sinophobia it's hilarious. Technological advances abound and life is getting better--but in China! Dystopia.
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@@tek1645 at least give a proper argument, you idiot.
Great video. The fact that China does this publicly is scary, but when other countries do this secretly is even scarier.
Funny, which what your are typing here even what your are talking in front of PC are collected by Google and analyzed. Is that intersting. Keep think about this, if that can make you feel better.
I know this comment is old, but it’s no secret though that all social media and tech companies spy on you. The difference is China is government spying, US and western world is corporations. Either way you’re doomed
@@TheSilentWalkerz True... I wonder if there's true privacy in these times.
China doesn’t have over 165000 military personnel in over 150 countries. I’m not worried about Chinese facial recognition
Orthedrae Hippocampus that’s because you’re a lunkhead void of any meaningful education.
@@mattpagel2328 You are dumb mate, I'd be concerned of the US was doing this not the Chinese lol. Ever been to China?
Shark B that’s your retort? Have you ever been to China. Drones. The disdain dwarfs the reality of a caged society. Dolts
@@mattpagel2328 You sound like the braindead troll buddy. Generalizing an entire race is just a wrong argument. You seem like the only drone here devoid of any meaningful wisdom!
Matt Pagel Honestly, I have no right to comment on US society, the international condemnation of US gun culture, or the way Americans have the right and privilege to make their government answerable to them. My concern is simply international military coercion, intervention, and the threat of invasion or military action against any nation that is perceived to threaten US hegemony. I will always be objective as to how the US determines it’s domestic destiny, but let China do China.
Im a british person who lives in Shenzhen, and this is the most idiotic thing I have ever watched. Shenzhen is like paradise.
He tried to pay with his AMEX in China.... 🤣🤣🤣
Erick Palacios I can use Amex in Middle East, London South Korea
It was a visa
@@aminbahri1519 a lot of place don't even take visa tho
Visa should work in department stores not in small convenience store.
Amex can use in China... I used it for a long time
The US does every one of these things to a lesser extent. But this is where we’re headed when we don’t pay attention to our leaders.
The US has all of the negatives of mass surveillance with none of the benefits, such as crime prevention/apprehension. Pretty funny
Hilarious, So Facebook don't track users?
not to this extent, no
@@artonio5887 Yes they do. They model what kind of "Citizen" you are, but for the purpose of targeting ads and predicting future behavior/needs rather than enforcing laws.
Maybe, but i don't have to use Facebook now do i?
@@SuWoopSparrow that's a huge difference
@@sogno4771 It is a huge difference. One is actually productive and the other is not. In the United States, we have mass surveillance and yet people get away with crimes regularly while innocent people get convicted for crimes they didnt commit regularly. Public spaces are public already, why not surveil them and prevent criminals from committing crimes and innocent people from wasting their potential sitting in a cell?
To be honest I didn’t see this as dystopian I saw more as the government in control not in a way to suppress freedom in a way to have order and civility.
Edit: “The surveillance” is not something new every government has it China is more open about it.
This is a dystopia
Indeed the CIA probably intrude into people's personal lives more than any other, they just lie about it. The US are just as obsessed with control as any other government.
@@Ironpyrites just like China, so, anyway is bad, and you just now admitted it. Because you're doing smth illegal, it does not give me the right to do the same...
Government control is in direct contrast to individual freedoms
£80 fine for covering your face from a facial recognition camera here in the UK. It's coming.
They still have Pepsi Blue in China??? No fair!
why Pepsi Blue special?
Can't use cash or credit card? Then why the hell they all equipped with those devices ?
That's total bullshit. You can definitely use cash or credit, but you'll have to use a card issued by a Chiense bank.
These days robots are replacing us as manufacturers of things, but I wonder when will they replace us as consumers.
6:23 notice how the interviewer gives his cameraman that look "man you got that recorded?"
Hahaha wtf
@Alex Nothing special about it - just thought it was quite funny
It would be totally fucked up for him if its not recorded
Plot Twist: that dog has a microphone build into it.
What's the difference the US government does the same thing just ask Edward Snowden.
The US fines jaywalkers immediately and posts their pictures on a public board?
And Julian Assange
And Chelsea Manning
@@areguapiri So what's your problem with getting fined for traffic violation? I lived in california for years and I got a fucking $500 fine for running a light just 0.4s after the light turned right. You get a mail and with photos taken by cameras (you and your car, the time, the location, everything), and a video available online. Are you saying that because US government is pathetically inefficient and wastes tons of taxpayers' money while Americans still wait for hours at DMV, its better than getting something done immediately?
@@areguapiri No. They just shoot folks because the cops felt threatened 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is not just about china. Pretty much the same applies to all western countries.
Wrong, did u ever get ticket for Jaywalking by facial recognition in west? Not even close
You have to be idiotic to believe that. Unlike in China, here in the U.S we can stand up for our rights and if our government tries to trample on our liberties we can vote em out.