The Bike Companies DO NOT Want you to Know This!
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
- Are you caught up in the frenzy of always needing the latest mountain bike? Think again. In this eye-opening video, we delve into why major bike companies might not want you to know the truth about their latest offerings. Join us as we uncover why the vast majority of mountain bikers shouldn't be swayed by the hype of high-tech, expensive bikes.
From wireless shifting to carbon everything, it's easy to get swept up in the allure of cutting-edge features. But do you really need them? Our host breaks down the reality behind the marketing and reveals what truly matters on the trails.
Discover why riding a "budget" bike might be the key to unlocking more fun and freedom on your mountain biking adventures. Learn about the surprising benefits of sticking with older models and explore alternatives like budget brands or hunting for used bikes in today's market.
Forget about keeping up with the latest trends-invest in experiences. Find out why spending money on riding lessons could be the best decision you make for your mountain biking journey.
Join us as we challenge the status quo and uncover the real secrets to enjoying the trails, regardless of the bike you ride. Don't miss out on this insightful discussion that could change the way you approach mountain biking forever.
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I’m so grateful for rich people who can afford the best and still find the need to upgrade , because then I get to upgrade my bike at a fraction of the cost. 👍😁
Exactly, I was looking at the S Brand Enduro a few years ago. (Before COVID-19) A year after the pandemic I could find the same bike ridden only 3 times on managed bike paths because the people who bought them were not really into mountain biking.
💯 percent! I love getting peoples new parts they take off their bikes 😁
They are called Beta Testers
@@brendanbriody9268 🤣👍
Haha so true! :) The guy that leads on the Strava leader boards is probably 20kg lighter and keeps his own bike serviced, clean and running smoothly.
I've been in the bike industry for about 10 years, and I've had the pick of the litter when it comes to high-end bikes at crazy low prices. What is the most fun bike I've ridden during that time? Almost certainly my current Stooge Mk6 - a rigid, steel single-speed with modern geo, a dropper, hydraulic brakes and tubeless tyres but no electronic shifting (or any shifting at all), top-end suspension (or any suspension at all)... it's simple, takes me back to my roots, makes old trails fun again and constantly challenges me to be a better rider. I still lust after the latest tech and newest, fanciest bikes, but I know deep down that they won't make me a better rider, and they won't make me have any more fun.
Some wisdom 👍 thanks for the awesome comment.
Mine is a Canyon Spectral AL with a 64 degree head angle. I ride technical trails too, I love it :)
Amen I recently built a rigid SS Surly Krampus and it's incredibly fun
I could have said this 15, 10 or 5 years ago. I ride a late 90s rigid steel GT w/26" wheels. No problem on any trails I ride with groups or alone. The only maintenance is keeping the chain clean.
Heck yeah! 👍
True. I second that.
I’ll agree with you. My 2000 S Brand FSR BigHit wasn’t replaced until 2021 when I bought my 2021 Intense Carbine. I still have the FSR BigHit
Nice 👍
I enjoy these videos. I would however maybe go into further detail perhaps explaining the different benefits and detractors of each “type” of bike
Example: price difference for component spec approx / warranty processes between dealer structure and consumer direct - things like this factor in a lot when looking at new bikes. You also mentioned used and I’d push for that option too but things like knowing what you might encounter if a warranty was needed (ie is original warranty transferable or not etc)
These types of things also factor into many people’s decisions when buying a bike and are often overlooked in videos such as these.
But none the less keep up the cool work, I do enjoy your channel a lot !
Thanks for the feedback 👍 I really appreciate you taking time to leave a detailed comment.
Here in Australia, the T90 isn't considered a budget bike. At $4500, it isn't cheap. It's on sale now for a few dollars under $4000.
It’s always hard to define a budget bike. I really push my limits on the trails so buying a T6 or something like that would need a lot of upgrades to handle the riding I do. But I get what you’re saying.
Great video! I've been guilty of drooling over new bikes each year. I stopped doing that recently and have focused more on component quality. More expensive and newer bikes have never translated into me being a better rider. On a separate note, how is your son enjoying his new rig? I was really moved by the fact you sold your gen 6 to give your son a better bike. As a father, I love that you think the way I do and sacrifice for your kids. You have convinced me to subscribe to the channel with that story.
Son is still loving the EX7. Thanks for the sub 👍
Current bike is a 2019 Polygon N9. I don't see myself ever getting rid of it, great bike! However, now is a great time to buy a new bike with the market crashing. New bikes are getting near what I paid in 2019 and sometimes lower!
That’s a great point 👍 Prices are definitely down and you can find some amazing sales.
true and prices still have a long way to fall!!!!
My current bike is 2020 Polygon N9 and I got it for $860. When new bike market is crashing. Used market is nuked.....
Dealers are hurting right now...
A buddy and I both bought new bikes today (not MTB).
2022 Felt Verza Speed 40
Altus 3x9, Hyd Disc $400.
2022 Specialized Allez Sport
Sora 2x9, Rim Brakes $750.
I needed something to putter around town on and he needed something to chase his kid's Orbea.
I totally agree with you 🎉I ride .y 2018 whyte s 150. I've upgraded it though. New hand-built wheels, that I did myself. Upgraded suspension to the charger 2.1 in the pike. And megneg on my deluxe. Rock shox suspension. My reverb starts to be a little like a suspension seatpost😂 So I'm putting on a new bikeyoke this week. My buddy has the new 2023. Same model. And my bike is so much better. Offcorse the upgrades play a part. But I think my bike is good for the next few years.
I was looking for 2x eMTB’s this year, one for me and one for my son. I managed to get new Trek Rails (5 and 9.7) for £4k off retail. I’ve upgraded the tyres and saddles (you mentioned this in the video 😊) and they are perfect 👍🏻
Nice 👍 Some great sale prices this year.
@@JaredHoff -exactly 👍🏻
Worth adding -I was coming from a 2014 Spesh StumpJumper Carbon Evo which still rode perfect. It had Fox Kashima forks & shock and a high spec 1x 10 speed drivetrain. Sure it had 26” wheels but it was amazing to ride, probably just needed a dropper post adding. I sold it on eBay for £700, they got a bargain !
I wanted to keep it but needed the funds for the new bikes 🤣 The only reason to change bikes is due to getting older and fitness dropping away 😬 …and e-bikes generally being more fun to ride 😝
Jared! Another great video. My issue is that I feel my bike is a bit too large for me. So I’m thinking of downsizing to a Medium instead of a Large. That’s the only reason I’m debating a new bike. I agree with you, a new T9 is hard to beat spec wise. Some crazy deals on the used bike market too. Think I’m going to continue to ride my T8 until fall. Then survey the bike landscape.
Getting the right size bike makes a huge difference. I used to ride a size large. Then finally went to an XL and love it 🤘
Purchased a 2019 Breezer Lightning Pro used and I love it. Doesn't have the slackest headtube angle but comes well speed even in 2024.
Heck yeah 👍 That’s what it’s all about
Stupid me I got caught up in the hype being new to MTB and bought a 2022 Trek Top Fuel 9.8 XT - and spent 5.6k rip off - the local bike store saw a sucker walking in and unloaded their inventory. 😤 love your videos!
Don’t regret that bike purchase man. You’ve got an amazing bike there. The Top Fuel is a great bike.
Just know that you don’t need to trade it in when Trek releases the next version.
@@JaredHoff thanks 🙏 for the vote of confidence!! I plan on doing just that AFTER I put bike wrap. Thanks to you. 😂
So true. Good message to spread!
Thanks you 👍
2020 ibis ripmo. Got it dec of 2020. Deore build with DVO sus. Switched to fox factory and carbon wheelset. Got a lot wrapped in it. But not selling anytime soon. Best bike I’ve owned.
Sounds like you got an amazing ride 👍
Great point! I ride my scott genius 950 from 2020. I upgraded it when I bought it from sram NX to XT 1x12 and XT brakes and bike still works great. There is no need to change it for something “new and more modern”.
Definitely 👍 People always talk about price of upgrades and how you could have bought a new bike… BUT there’s something special about upgrading your bike and making it exactly how you want.
@@JaredHoff I agree 100%
Thanks Jared for the wise practicality.👍
Thanks for the feedback 👍
I bought a Canyon Spectral AL5 last year for 2k worried it would be "meh", but it's been nothing but amazing. I swapped the grips and got a STFU on the chainstay and assegai upfront. The bike is fantastic. I'm doing everything from XC to enduro/dh on it and it just doesn't flinch. 100% agree with your point.
Heck yeah 👍
I’ve been wanting to get a steel hardtail for harder trail shredding, I’m starting to hit the limit of capability on my aluminum built up budget trail hardtail. Also have a Marin rift zone Xr full sus which is amazing, but I really love the difference in ride dynamics between the two. Option I’ve been mulling over are the Norco torrent(2021), the bird forge, and the transition trans am. Since the trans am is US based, having it shipped is a lot cheaper than both of the other two. Trying to find used on Pinkbike also.
Used bikes are a great option.
Trying to upgrade from a 26" hardtail to a full suspension 29er.... and keep the pricetag under $2k but still have good suspension. Hope prices keep coming down a touch more! Siskiu T8 is in the running for sure!
Look at GIANT as well, $1000 off the Trance😳
T8 is a great bike. Used is also an option.
Old bike was a 2021 Drt 2.1 upgraded to wireless shifting with archer componets d1x trail. just bought a 2023 Trek Fuel Ex8 and having a blast on it proably didnt need such a nice bike I just noticed at certain price points you either get good supspension or good drivetrain not both until you hit a certain price.
I always hate the way Trek Specs there bikes making you spend so much to get everything you want,,, but I still think Trek makes a great bike. Miss my Trek Slash and my Fuel EX that I traded in for my son’s bike.
I got a mountainpeak evo mtb, a Taiwan made bike last 2017 and until now I'm still riding that bike. Little by little I upgraded the old parts. I'm still enjoying riding my bike even if it is already a 7 year old bike.
Heck yeah. That’s the best way to upgrade 👍
You are 100% right on everything you said, great vid.
Here is the challenge, people don't buy bikes because they need a new bike or think it's going to make them better....it's because they want a new bike....I'm a recreational mountain biker, I may buy a bike one every 5 years, just because it's usually beaten up from wipe out.
I compete in archery, every year I buy a new bow, do I need one, nope, but I want one and will buy one
You make a great point. It’s drill a lot of fun to buy a new bike and gets you stoked to go ride.
I hope you have broaden your archery experience with adding traditional bows to your hobbies, especially a handmade one but that too has gotten expensive. I'm not a craftsman but I love making my own unique arrows and it is fun. I went ten years shooting before I picked up traditional and I missed out for a long time and I don't like seeing others missing out, but of course it's not for everyone. Thought I would mention it in case you haven't considered it and might be interested in it. It's like biking, totally different experience like downhill, XC, road, BMX, gravel, doing it all never let's burnout sneak in. I love compound, recurve and longbow and I never get tired of shooting or riding.
I’ve been riding my 2015 Norco Range for 9 years. It’s just as good today as the day I bought it. Still love it!
Nice 👍
it's done for the same reason everything else is pushed on the consumer, keep the investors and wall street happy , the best bike to have is the one you already own, great insight, thanks
Thanks for taking time to drop a comment. Appreciate you 👍
Im currently riding a 2014 Scott scale 960 as my summer rig. I got it for dirt cheap. I put better tires, a dropper post, better pedals and a few other small things. I ride all of our single-track trails in the area. We have about 80 miles of single track that wind all over the woods between 2 towns. Last year, i rode my salsa muklukk all winter and all summer. Fully rigid fat bike. I loves it. I did not want to spend thousands of dollars for a summer rig. This hard tail 10 year bike works amazing! I gotta work and "dance" a little more on the techy downhill than my buddies with full suspension. But i can still hang. Maybe some day ill buy a new bike. Good video, i liked it a lot
Thanks 👍
My bike is an '' budget custom built hardcore hardtail 160mm and some 27.5 front and back.
I put those big forks to suit better my riding style and the newer geo and it rides super well
Heck yeah 👍 sounds like you’ve got an amazing ride bro!
I purchased a Canyon Stoic last year for $1,000 US. Not stoked on the components but I have so many parts from previous bikes after upgrades. DVO Onyx fork, handlebars from my Vitus Mythique, an AXS derailleur I had on another bike etc. So I have a capable HT for local trails and greenway riding. I did buy some less aggressive tires (Rekon Race) so the bike is much faster for the places I ride.
Sounds like you’ve got an amazing bike. Stoked for you!
Definitely agree. It seems like bikes are all at a great place for geometry and angles so they havent changed much, now everyone is trying to find something new to attract people to upgrade. Im sure high pivots feel nice but it seems like change for the sake of change.
That being said, i ditched my fox 36 rythm for a 38 factory and it was worth every penny for the performance benefits. I dont see value in changing to a new brake because it look 'stealthy', but some things can be beneficial if they add to the fun.
For sure 👍
3 years ago I purchased my Trek Rail 5 ebike. It was the only full suspension mtb Trek had on the floor (covid). The best bike purchase i ever made. I love my Trek Rail 5 ebike.
Heck yeah 👍 Stoked for you!
Well, I went on the bike buying journey over the winter. I had a trek roscoe 6 2022 version. So it had the old 141mm dropout spacing and steep geo numbers and a short reach. I upgraded that bike and used it more so out of its range of intended use. I found myself leaning towards the enduro style of riding. It really was a great bike but I wanted to find something with 29er wheels and much slacker and stick with a hardtail. But I won’t pay retail. So that means Facebook marketplace. I found a brand new Commencal Meta HT AM Race Edition for 2300. I offered the guy 1800 and he took it! So I was over the moon to say the least. It was an XL size and commencal reach numbers are odd so I rode it 8 times and realized it wasn’t the bike for me. So I stripped the frame, sold it, kept all the awesome components and bought a kona honzo esd frameset. I built it up and it is honestly the best bike I’ve ever owned. But I have to say, no I agree, the bike you have won’t make you a better rider BUT in my personal experience with this Kona so far, it makes me want to push out of my comfort zone for sure. It just wants to go and it’s like I have owned it for years! Climbs amazing and descends even better!!! I can’t get enough of it! So for me selling the commencal frame and buying the kona esd frame was a wash so at the end of the day I spent 1800.00 on the epic bike I’ve ever had! You should look up the geo charts on this one, I’m sure you’d get a kick out of it!
There’s something special about getting the bike that’s just right for the type of riding you do 👍 Stoked for you!
Thanks man!! So stoked!
I miss my five figure bike. It was so light and capable. It was a mistake to sell it.
I feel the weight and notice my wheels on the new bike. 1/3 the cost, its a little more sluggish. I have some long steep climbs that kill my old ass!
Definitely 👍 Upgrading the wheels in your bike is so expensive… BUT makes all the difference. I’m working on a video now to try and upgrade the wheels on my Polygon T9.
Was looking to get back into mtb'ing after my twin boys were spending time at the bike parks. Rented a couple different bikes and ended up with the Ripmo AF. Saved coin and I am enjoying life at 50. Just wish I had half the balls I did back in the day. It takes alot more effort for me to ride like I did back then. But overall I am not selling that bike period. 2500 was enough money. Now the boys will be stepping up with another bike after 3 years on there hardtails. I can tell you this I am scoping Polygon hard as hell. And if some companies start sinking i will buy two more IBIS Ripmo's. Any suggestions out there for twin 9 yo's who are progressing rapidly? Thought about the reaper from Rocky and the Growler jr. Would like to leave them in a hardtail a few more years so they learn to read the bikes characteristics through the trails better before moving them to a bike that does the work for them.
A lot of people praising the Marin Rift Zone, looks like a solid trail bike.
Probably a few floating around used for a good price.
I bought my son a Fuel EX 7, but after doing a recent versus video… I realized that for a lower price I could have got a Polygon T9. I think the T8 or T9 is a great option. But there are so many good bikes these days so look for sales.
I still ride my sweet 2017 Nicolai ION16 in Mullet setup. My bike pretty much dialed to my ride and my local trail, and I don't feel like I need a new bike. Possibly change a newer component when some of them fail. Possibly change to RXF38 over EXT Era v.1
There’s something special about getting a bike perfectly dialed in 👍
You have a good point bro. I have a 2018 Ibis Ripmo and the geometry and components are still great and allow me to shred. Not to mention very reliable still. Like the saying goes, “don’t buy upgrades, ride up grades.”
Word 👍
My current bike is a Trinx c782 HT 27.5(I know I'm in Asia), currently working on the upgrades for 1x10 Deore Drive Train, and is currently sporting the SR Suntour Epixon with 140mil travel.
Nice 👍
Vitus nucleus 27.5 - love it, added dropper post and bomber forks
Heck yeah!
Modern Geo needs to be questioned as well. Some of us actually like to engage our core and hamstrings when pedaling. 77 degree seat tubes and 35mm stems do not allow that. What makes a trail bike more stable going 40mph down A-line at Whistler actually makes it work like s#!t everywhere else.
Definitely, modern geometry is great for shredding down hills, but the turning is noticeably slower on the flats or on slite declines, and it's definitely harder to keep the front end down going up steep inclines., putting more effort and feeling like on falling backwards.
There’s definitely a happy medium.
If you live in a mountainous area such as whistler then modern geo is the best option. If your trails are flatter than you might want a steeper head angle and a shorter wheelbase
@@JaredHoff that's why I love my Merida 140 (probably the closest rival to the Polygon T series) with 66 deg HTA - not too steep, not too slack...
I've got 2019 Identiti AKA and just upgrade parts as I improve or if something breaks. But don't see me changing anytime soon cos the bike I have does everything I need it to.
That’s the best way you can go about upgrading
I dunno... I bought a Pike Ultimate for my 2021 ProCal 9.7 and it absolutely was a difference maker. The fork is smooth and enables me - at an older age - to do sections I could not do on a Recon.
Heck yeah 👍 sounds like you got a great setup!
Currently I'm on a 2020 YT jeffsy, absolutely love it only complain I have is Rocks sometimes get caught up in the linkage and you can only imagine what that does, I've been eyeing the new yt jeffsy but I definitely don't need it but I want it😢😅
Jeffsy is an amazing bike. I had a 2020 YT Capra and regret getting rid of it 😔
My main two bikes are a 2008 Norco Ryde One 25 and a 23Norco fluid FS A4. I would like the new Norco Sight but it's out on my price range
Sounds like you’ve got some amazing bikes already. No need to buy something new. Unless you can find an unbeatable price that you can afford.
Im still riding my 1994 Kona Cinder Cone that I got for my 16th birthday. I just love that bike, got it brand new in 1994 and ride it almost everyday. If I just look at my Kona it makes me happy, no other bike I look at does the same so I wont buy another bike. I remember taking my bike to a cross country race not long after I got it and in those days it was the coolest bike at the event, I wouldnt even take it to an event nowadays but to me its that same cool bike.
The memories on that bike are priceless 👍
Am riding a spectral cf9 from 2019. I bought it retail for 1/4 of the new price. Since I’ve wrecked some items on it, the bike pretty much has been downgraded slowly since I can’t feel the difference between x01 and gx gearing for instance. But even though it still has some awesome nice parts like the codes rsc, carbon wheels, etc etc.
I’m happy with the bike, if I were to swap it out for something else, I’d reckon it to sell for approximately the same price as when I bought it.
And if I wanted to swap it out my ONLY thing I’m regretting is that it runs 27,5” instead of 29ers.
Heck yeah sounds like you’re making all the right choices. I prefer 29” as well but it’s not the end of the world and 27.5 has a lot of advantages as well.
@@JaredHoff indeed it does, biggest one to me is the nimbleness it carries as a 27,5 since I’m running size large it helps around tight corners. I actually tried placing a 29” on the front with my current fork, and it could actually work out. Since the geo is of older age and the headtube isn’t as slack as many newer bikes it would be something to explore, if i feel the need for a change
My son just bought me a hardtail Trek Roscoe 6. He knows my bike I was riding was a 2015 Scott and I refused to buy a new bike. I love the new bike and I shred on it and I’m totally happy. The only thing I’ll add to it is a decent shock but I will ride this bike and only replace parts as they break. It’s about the rider not the bike.
Definitely 👍
I 100% agree with you Jared. I ride a 2021 Vitus Nucleus VRS on 29's. My wife rides a Liv Tempt 1. I find it so funny when we pull up to our local trail and see all the 5k + bikes rolling around, If you can imagine flat ol indiana gets pretty gnarly out on the 8 mile xc loop with 400 ft of climbing total 🤣def a place for the enduros and ebikes to run wild
also sending double black's, jumplines, drops and nasty chunk on the same bikes
I’m definitely guilty of bringing my enduro bike to trails that I really don’t need it for 😂
@@JaredHoff rightfully so too! if ya got it ride it, I know when i save up to buy a pair of t9's for the wife and I, we will definitely be overbiked for some of our trails!
Absolutely 💯% spot on 😎👍🏾
Thanks 👍
right now i ride Trek Remedy 8 2021 its pretty good bike but those 27.5 inch wheels just cant used to them want to buy some polygon bike but there is no dealers here in slovenia
Keep the Remedy 👍 You don’t need a new polygon. Get stoked! Go ride! Have fun!
My first mtb 2024 polygon n9 on sale 2999.99 bought it a month ago n itll last me yrs its fun 1 thing im having issues with tho is my dropper post its so hard to press and there are no info on how to set it up n make it smooth like my friends bikes
Try adjusting the cable- tighter or looser. Also try putting fork lube on the sliding part of the dropper post. They have seals just like suspension forks and the seal can dry up and stick. Mine kept getting stuck at the top and wouldn’t drop. I took it apart and lubed the cable attachment mechanism on the bottom of the post but it didn’t help. Eventually tried messing with the cable tension and got it moving proper again. Good luck man hope this helps.
New dropper post lever. I hate the stock levers. That plus the stuff mentions below will help.
Ok so I definitely agree with the premise in your video. Honestly there are times when I want to splurge on carbon rims and wireless shifting/dropper but I just can't justify spending the money 💰 and like you said it won't make me a better rider. I'm currently riding a 2020 Kona Process and a Trek Slash. I purchased both as frame sets with both front and rear suspension. I built them up myself and saved a boat load of cash. Some people frown upon buying used carbon but both bikes I've ridden hard for 3 years and absolutely no issues at all. I think your video is great advice for people that are new to the sport and a thank you to all the rich people I was able to buy frame and parts from 😁😁👌🏿🤙🏿🚵🏿.
I love upgrading my bikes as well. I’ve got some more upgrades to do on my Polygon T9. This video was sparked by the new Trek Slash.
I saw it, wanted it, but then realized I didn’t need it. I’ve been guilty in the past of buying a new bike and I always wish I could buy the top spec model. But it’s definitely not something I need.
@@JaredHoff yes upgrading is always fun to do. I hear you the top spec would be awesome but unnecessary. The new Slash has had issues with the idler pulley also and it's heavier so you're probably better off anyways. The polygon looks nice and well spec'd enjoy it bro 💪🏿🤙🏿🚵🏿 keep up the good content 🙂
Could agree more, it's not helped by certain cycling channels that are that heavily sponsored by bike manufacturers they may as well sell the things.
Word 👍
This video is totally fair in the point that we do not need new high performance gear all the time. Most bike owners are not even riding that much (I am😊), and those gains are lost with poor technique and fitness.
The major point that needs to be addressed is that Polygon cannot fix your bike once it gets sent to you. You also are going to have to document everything and keep your stupid box to send it back if there is a major issue. I don't ride trek due to being too anti main stream bruh lol, but I have a couple nice bikes from main brands and some semi custom bikes too.
If someone is not comfortable fixing their bike or paying the local guys the money they deserve for doing it and keeping you safe then probably not a good investment.
You bring up a good point. I still recommend Trek to most new riders where I live because we have an amazing local bike shop that will handle any warranty issues.
@@JaredHoff I have a buddy with a new bike and it messed up within 20 miles. He doesn't know how to make sure it is safe so the shop is the only way he will get to ride at all on his brand new bike. Turns out the rear hub on his rocky mountain growler from Jensen blew apart and he only rides green and riverwalk trails. Jensen ignored him and now he is going to be out a couple hundred on a “budget” bike. Major bummer
2020 Ripmo V1, great!!!!
Nice 👍
Both of my bike I got the frames from eBay 2012 mongoose Canaan elite and ns eccentric 27.5 and built them up with a mix of budget parts and quality parts .
I’ve always wanted to do a full frame-up build. Stoked for you 👍
Built myself a Chromag steel hardtail back in 2021 when the market was going crazy and sold my 4 year old Giant Trance for what I paid..I can pretty much ride anything with the hardtail and if I really want to electrify it for steep long climbs I can look at one of those elevate motors from Bimotal
Heck yeah 👍
I'm still riding my 2018 Santa Cruz Tallboy. Alloy one. Almost the cheapest of the line, and guess what? That bike is a KILLER on the trails. Unstoppable. And I love it!!! 🤟🏼😝
Heck yeah 🤘
I just built up a 2017 Sworks Epic nos frame. Xt 12 speed and a fox 32 stepcast. 25.2 lbs with pedals for $2800.
You got and amazing bike man 👍
Keeping along the same lines of budget- I really think you should try to review Marzocchi suspension products. They’re affordably priced and have the same internal components as Fox!
That’s a great point 👍 thanks for the feedback
I ride 2020 Polygon N9 and I'm just riding it mostly stock. I had to change 1 component and I think this is prob the only component that's really behind compare to expensive bikes. Brakes. My hands are pretty small and those budget brake levers are just too long and too far away from handlebar. Other than that, it's pretty amazing.
Heck yeah! Love my N9 👍🤘
Kona Stuff 2000, incredible how these guys at Kona saw the future of bikes already back in the day.
For sure! It’s sad that Kona brand has taken a plunge with the bike market crash
For a sore thumb, the Axs dropper is a game changer.
I totally agree. I’ve used one on a demo bike, but just haven’t pulled the trigger on getting one for the bike I own yet.
@@JaredHoff Push your dealer for some kind of discount on a new bike. Ive managed to get 50% and 25% due to mishaps like a loose handlebar on a brand new bike. This will turn a 10k bike into a 5-6k Will include your axs, your carbon wheels. From that starting point really there is not SO much you can spend on upgrades and also drivetrain will be high end. I find them more durable and anycase it will be "more" covered by warranty. I believe brands like sram and DT swiss will replace AXS and Top hubs with No questions asked. Even send replacements without asking for the iinitial item. Its pretty insane.
Although if a disocunt is no accesible i would not buy the HIGH end unless i had 5 cars, a yatch and 5 houses...
Its 75% rider 25% bike. A good bike for the type of terrain you ride can make a difference in speed and also maybe not blow up as easily, but besides that its rider. Also lower spec bikes are just as good if the geo is good and decent shocks/wheels. the rest doesnt matter. I grabbed a 2023 norco range vlt a2 for almost 50% off and its been absolutely killer. its an extremely capable dh oriented ebike. I blew up the rear wheel in about 5 rides so had to replace that, and just some different brake pads/rotors, added a 190mm airshaft to the rockshox zeb for 60 bucks and that was pretty much it. The higher spec range didn't have shocks or components I wanted anyway so the lower spec was actually the better option for me. The fox 38 only goes to 180mm and I wanted 190mm, and the fox dhx 2 is prone to blowing up in a horizontal yoke position that the range has. So the lower spec with rockshox was better.
Definitely 👍 a lot of good points there. Thanks for taking time to drop a comment.
I ride ebike (Reign E+1) and DH bike (Propain Rage - Fox40 and spring) - there are more expensive bikes, but I am really happy and I cant imagine that some higher end specs bike make me better rider....
Sounds like you’ve got a couple amazing bikes 👍 No need to change that.
@@JaredHoff nope, I am really happy, local trails on ebike, bikeparks on DH :)
I bought my 2021 Polygon Vander T7 for $700 from a guy who only rode it a few times. It shreds and is so much fun
Nice 👍
The only bicycle tech/kit I'm most interested in having if I had the money are the Pinion-belt drives for non-e bikes.
Those are definitely interesting
Im riding a 2013 cannondale 26 inch in the trails 🤟
Nice 🤘
I got a Kona "precept" 150. Got in 2017 so nearly 10 years ago on sale for $1500 and it rips. Has all the features and takes me everywhere, so I don't know why I would need to upgrade. Admittedly, I spend most my time on the motocross track so I'm barely a mountain biker. If I was, I probably would have a nicer bike lol.
Sounds like you got the perfect ride 👍
Riding a 2022 stumpy, definitely gonna last me 5 another five + years or more! Just need to add another hardtail to the fleet😁
Heck yeah 👍
Why do chains corrode so quickly? Is tin being added to the alloy to speed up corrosion and increase wear rate?
I can say specifically. I keep my chains clean and try to take care of them as best I can.
My issue is finding one mtb for everything. I had an epic evo then went to stumpy evo and now I want the new epic evo. I don’t ride harsher trails like I thought I would, moved, have less access to mtb in general. We will see. I upgraded to axs transmission etc too. Nice thing is I can sell the bike as stock and now buy a lesser model or frame and put what I already own on the new bike.
Good points 👍
MTB culture in the UK is completely different to the states. It seems like us lads in the uk dont get hung up on the "latest" crap/gadgets as much you lot. Take a look at 50/01 crew for example.
Where i ride the young ones hit big gaps on lower spec bikes and get by just fine in their big groups and high morale.
The latest / greatest electronic kit is for those that can afford it and want it, end of. Its a bit of trap for that demographic of person.
Bikes have peaked in performance/geometry and you dont need the highest spec bike now to get the best performance the bike industry can offer.
Like you say, change the tyres, contact points if needs be but after that your golden
Does it have anything to do with the fact that one bike is stolen every 7 seconds in the UK(Latest Pinkbike data, didn't verify myself)? I store mine in my appartment, no way in hell it's gonna be left somewhere outside these days.
@@arudenko87 don't blame you, safest place to keep it. I don't think that's the reason why though.
I just think people put the sport before their bike specifications more. In addition the wealth divide in the UK is more severe in the UK so there are less people able to afford expensive mountain bikes than our US counterparts
Nice 👍 Greta to hear that and I agree.
2015 Avanti Torrent, 150mm both ends, 2 x 10 , bullet proof.
Heck yeah
What about buying bikes just because the aesthetics, like color and design? The components are not my reason but if it complements the bike at the lowest price. Trek's colors Factory Orange, Rage Red, and Chrystal White are nice to name a few.. I also like Canyon's Big Bamboo color which make me feel a certain way when looking at it. I have mostly Trek bikes due the paint and designs. I agree if one just want a bike to fulfill a purpose then go with the most affordable on ones budget but in cases when you are looking for something special then that extra specialness may cost a little more. When I bought my Hummer and Camaro I was looking for something special and bought a KIA for the price. I am looking at that Polygon now too for something that looks good but don't cost so much that I baby it. Then again I'm older so I don't ride risky so not to break myself.
I’ve definitely been guilty of w sting a new bike when all they changed was the color and some small things.
I have 2018 Propain Tyee Aluminium with Sram GX, Magura MT5 , Formula Selva Fork , 27.5 DT Swiss 1900 Wheelset. I always kind of get attracted to the new Bikes like a moth to a streetlight. But after a while of thinking , i don't think i would appreciate it much - because no real improvements have been made - The only upgrade I would think of at the moment with 190cm height is a 29er bike. But I can really wait !
Sounds like you’ve got an amazing ride.
I’m going to talk about your bike and the upgrades you did in one of my next videos. It’s a great example of exactly what I’m talking about.
It's like your shirt says. Go ride, have fun!
Definitely 👍
My trail bike is 7 years old and I have no desire to get the new new. I keep up with my friends that ride the new Ibis, Santa Cruz, and Treks. 🤷🏻
Word 👍
Bikes made in the last 5 years are very good they were behind the advancement of head and seat tune Geo, which that wave is starting to move back toward 2019 models
(No to polygon)
I agree. Except for the Polygon comment 😂 I think polygon has come a long way in the last couple years
I like classic things like chromoly, aluminum alloy, mechanical brakes, mechanical shifters, platform pedals, and 3x chain rings. I wouldn't use carbon fiber on a bike if you gave it to me free. My main bikes cost about $500 new (a decade ago) and I built them up into customized joy on wheels. I only like a 1X setup on single speeds. I do most of my shifting up front.. low, medium, high. Set it and forget it.
Heck yeah man! I have a couple guys on my local trails that shred and set faster times than me on bikes that cost half as much 👍
It’s simply the path down which almost every mountain bike rider must travel:
Budget hardtail ➡️ better hardtail ➡️ full sus trail bike ➡️ enduro bike ➡️ dream bike ➡️realise dream bike does not make you a better rider ➡️ sell your bikes and get a full sus trail bike and/or hardtail and finally exit the hamster wheel of shiny new things
For sure! We all go through those phases.
I bought my son a Specialized. The parts are so cheap every time I upgrade something I have to replace every part.
Upgrading gives you a chance to make the bike exactly how you want though. Always got to try and look at the positive side 👍
True, thanks man.
I buy bikes because I want them....Currently have an Orbea Rallon, Transition Spur, Trek Rail 7, Orbea Rise, & Orbea Wild. Ooops lol
Awesome man. Stoked for you!
Buying and trying new stuff is part of the fun
You’re not wrong
I have one other thing to add. You should do a video on how bike Weight does not matter with ebikes. Anytime someone asks me how much the bike weighs there reaction is shock and that they could never ride it. I use this 60+ pound ebike on dh trails faster than the guys riding dh bikes I ride with. If anything the weight makes it more planted. We must dispel the myth of the lightweight bike being a necessity as ebikes become more popular. That way bike companies can't keep trying to sell people titanium this and carbon that for a few hundred grams shaved off, or lightweight motors hidden in your bike so you dont feel embarrassed to be using a motor lol. Proud ebike owner 😅 It renewed my passion for riding for sure. My rant for the day 🤣
That’s a great video idea. I still have the lightweight Forestal e-bike but I’m sending it back soon. My main problem is that I have so many good ideas and not enough time to make them all. But I’ll look I got this one.
Prices are simply ridiculous right now.....I've been riding the same Specialized Enduro carbon 2015 since I bought it brand new and when I look at other newer bikes and it's just about the same. I'm only buying a new bike right now so I can ride the new one for the next several years!
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Im looking for a full suspension bike to complement my hard tail XC bike with an enduro for some bike park use. YT has some killer sales right now. I can get a Capra core 1 for less than a Polygon N9 with a $420 off coupon ($1479 before taxes and shipping). I can get a Capra core 2 for $100 more. Decisions, decisions.
Pay close attention to the spec that comes on the bike. Suspension and brakes being two big ones
I’d choose between the Capra Core 2 and the N9. Either way you’ll be stoked. I wouldn’t get the Core 1 unless you’re like me and you want to do a ton of upgrades.
it’s easy for us here in Africa.
new bikes are priced way out of range for the majority of riders.
For my style of riding, the second hand Momson 629 is now 13 years old and i still enjoy riding outdoors in the dirt
A brand new bike won’t increase my joy, in fact i might be too scared to take it out to some of the places i go 😂
Sounds like you’re current bike is perfect for the riding you do 👍
I have a 2011 Yeti ASR-7 that I've owned for over 10 years, and to this day, I still ride it the same as the way back then...
Yes, you dont need to get into this new trend as what the advertisement says....
just keep shredding as you always do coz practice makes you better rider, not the bike itself... I almost got swayed to buying a new bike till i saw a friend of mine snap his carbon fiber mountain bike right before my eyes... and thay could have been me crying because of the cost of the bike...😂😂😂😂
Oh man. I do like carbon frames but that’s sketchy
Absolutely agree, but great thing about having a high end spec bike as beginner is that, you can be 100% sure it is YOU and not the bike when something is shitty 😂
That’s a valid point 👍
I'm using a 2020 Trance 2. Sure the only thing left that is oem is the frame but that's 4 years of upgrading. I'm only going to buy a new to me next year when my son fits on my medium. I only buy used cars and bikes. I don't need the latest and greatest. Heck we have a 15yr old desktop that still does what we need it to and a 5yr old laptop. So over all the marketing Bs from companies.
Heck yeah! I bet you have that Trance dialed in just the way you want it 👍
I’ve got a 2019 Whyte S150. Bought it for £1650 and over the last 5 years I’ve upgraded parts as they’ve worn out and recently stripped and resprayed it for £50. There’s no other bike I need. Nothing feels any better in fact some modern bikes feel worse.
Heck yeah! Sounds like you’ve got a one of a kind gem 🤘
In the UK we have cycle to work scheme. You pay through your wages before tax.
Sooo borrowing $2000 will cost you $1400 out of your wages. Plus getting a $2800 for $2000 in the sale plus the scheme equals huge savings.
Sounds like a good deal 👍
This can be applied to many things in life.
For sure 👍
I just got a Trek Fuel ex Gen 5, so not the newest Fuel ex. I upgraded from a '97 Proflex 957. I got a good dill on my Fuel ex. I should be able to get 20 years out of this bike.
Nice 👍
I rode a budget Giant Ranier from 2003-2023. My high end racing Cannondale got ripped off my second or third week in college when I bought the Giant. At the end of '23 I made the LBS a low ball offer on '22 Scott Scale that I knew they didn't want hanging around in '24. They took my offer. It's definitely better after 20 years, but is it light years better? No.
Sounds like you got a great deal on an amazing bike.
$1500 out the door. $2300 MSRP. I was happy. My daughter got a BMC hardtail for $800.
Guys are like this with motorcycling too. All the gear and nonsense hanging off your motorcycle won't make you a better or safer rider.
I spent $2600 on my ebike a month ago, mostly because i had NO bike and wanted to get in the mtb game with modern tech.
I think I'll have my bike for a while.
Nice 👍 Stoked for you!
I think that Jared is actually Hitman but he doesn’t want us to know.
Maybe Mr. Clean.
😂 I hate being bald but can’t change it so it is what it is 🤦🏼♂️ But the hitman and Mr. Clean are easy options for Halloween costumes lol
My 2023 giant trance x29 is shit since they came out with adjustable geo!
I made my own geo by over stroking the rear by 20mm and the front by 30 mm
Hey look at that it's a lighter giant reign 😂
😂
New bikes are pretty though... I wish I was more ambitious to afford some of those, but not in the nearest future with my level of income.
Ride what you can afford and have fun 👍
Orbea occam 2015…
Don’t need anything else!
Heck yeah 👍
Truth top spec isn't top spec. Usually you can upgrade a lower level model to a spec that is better and more suitable for your needs and wants for less.
Definitely 👍
I've been explaining this to my son for years, I still have my 2013 Giant XTC. The only thing original is the frame, but I won't sell it, I tuned it the way it fits best. He's now a bike mechanic at a local bike shop, fixing and building. Let's just say as someone that builds a majority of new Trek bikes, he swears at them all the time. Way over priced and not as good as alot of stuff years past. Everything now is gimmicks and marketing, sorry for all the people that are going to say otherwise, everyone is entitled to an opinion, absolutely. However I think the bike industry is grasping at straws right now. Ask guys that work on newer bikes and building them, ask what they see and why they don't care for alot of the newer stuff. Suspension is something that is something that seems to be always involving in a positive way, but how much do you actually need, tech wise to ride a bike. People unfortunately alot of the time get sold on more bike the they actually need.
Totally agree 👍