I found this an interesting conversation, whether you like or don't like Cenk at least you get to hear Cenk's view point. Freddy did a good job in keeping the interview on track and letting Cenk speak.
…and where it’s valuable, may I ask? The guy is so fluid… why can’t he go to Turkey to start that uprising he is getting ready for… I think there is curtain need for that there since it’s becoming totally authoritarian
I did my best to listen to this man to hear the "other side" but I am even more convinced that he's part of the problem. Good of the Spectator to have him on, if only to allow us to make up our own minds about him.
& that body is there solely due to the other's decisions... it's like locking someone in your basement & then refusing to take responsibility for their welfare
How idiotic. Yes one does not get a choice, because it's a lump of cells not a person, and lumps of cells don't get to make decisions. Maybe next time you have a cyst removed you should consider it's feelings.
@@nihilistlivesmatter - A fertilized egg, a blastocyst, or an embryo is not a person. And yes there is a person involved, the one of whom that bundle of cells is a part, and who has every right to rid themselves of it. You sound like you are 13 and are just figuring out how to think.
I wonder if he characterizes correctly the "Asian" attitude towards abortion. The traditional democrat position "safe, legal and rare" implied the fact that abortion was not a good think, and was meant as a last resort. The democrat mentality changed a lot since than. I appreciate that Cenk recognized that Roe v. Wade was a legislative act and that the constitution did not contain such right. I agree that it is not the supreme court that should decide on those questions, but the legislative branch. I think state level is a good compromise.
Freddie is a calm and subtle presenter, which I admire. But on this occasion I feel he ought at least to have challenged his guest with fact where his account of events was fictional.
Why are so many people having a go at Cenk? You don't have to agree with him (As a European even i think he went far on the abortion thing). But guys come on, unsubscribing? Just because you dislike things he's saying? Credit to Spectator to bringing him on and hearing him out. We need people to be brave and have those that they may disagree with on. I think Cenk made interesting points about the extent of Lobbying in U.S politics.
It's because people just want to get spoon fed their own beliefs back to them they have no interest in free speech or the exchange of ideas, genuinely pathetic full grown adults unsubscribing because they heard something they don't like 😅
Cenk Uygur argues that the military-industrial complex, for want of a better description, has both Trump and the Democrats in its pocket. Could Freddy do an item on this idea please to help me get of a sense of how pervasive the influence of this complex really is.
Loved Freddy-s pertinent observation about the apparent incongruity between innocent human life being lost in Gaza and abortion not being a moral issue.
Why would you name yourself after the group behind the genocide of the Armenians? Loved the video where Douglas Murray put him firmly in his place and told him what he thought of him.
I just can't listen to this objectionable man., he's actually a dangerous activist, I'm really, really surprised to see him on Spectator TV. Bad move... 👎👎👎
@@Cornwall1888 He has never changed his position on anything. Everything is all Black and White thinking. He's Far left and far left is as dangerous as far right - so yes he is dangerous.
@@StewartCain-w7foh no the horror that means you won't be able to stay in your bubble forever better find another channel that's in lock step with your worldview quick......
Cenk can't believe that to most people, abortion is not a religious issue, but a scientific one. He'd rather paint his opposition as crazy religious zealots while his position, based on fetal viability, is based on nothing more than his personal feelings.
@@yoelmarson4049 It seems I share your antipathy to the people you mention. But it is important to know what and how the opposition thinks so that we can fight against it.
@@annabradshaw9902 am happier with Cenk on the show as he’s looking increasingly cray. But the spectator gives Jon the respectability he doesn’t deserve. He’s not a good actor
If he is right about the Asian attitude toward abortion (and I doubt the asian christians see it that way) it might be worth thinking more deeply about whether western worries about abortion are symptomatic of the same intellectual/religious/cultural impulse that basically formalised human rights.
I'm pro-choice, but saying 'this isn't a moral issue in East Asia' is a very weird argument. There are plenty of rights, responsibilities and moral norms which we have in the West, and they don't have in Asia. And vice versa. Animal Welfare protections, for example, and are typically stronger in Western countries than in East Asia. What does that matter?
I once subscribed to the spectator and guests like this is the reason you wont get another penny off me. Just unsubscribed from the RUclips channel as well. What a shitshow.
With respect, who cares what people in Asia think about abortion or any other matter? I'm baffled, what's the relevance? Btw, Freddie looked vey uncomfortable during this interview. Can hardly blame him tbh.
Cenk the Tenk. Seems audacious him fronting a show with the title 'The Young Turks'. I didn't reach the end of this episode. I only know who this geezer is from watching the reaction videos from the 2016 election.
25:55 "They're acting deeply immorally" Israel doesn't think they're acting immorally. 13:40 "They're like what do you mean, they hit first. We do an eye for an eye, where if they strike first, we hit back."
I say Freddy, if you don't like wearing a tie, then take the bloody thing off! Either that or get a clip-on tie for ease of fitting and burnishing your jolly chap image. Love your videos!
I have dropped in on Piers Morgan's show a few times, and it strikes me as political porn essentially. A commercial success, I have no doubt. Freddy Gray's style is more to my taste, but I'm old fashioned. *Spectator* consumers in the mother country would be able to form a fair idea of the kind of American left represented by Uygur.
TYT/Cenk not voting 3rd party when he repeats that he and TYT 'We Oppose anti-corporate funding... 'We Oppose Israel re Gaza and .... 'We MUST support 3rd parties in order to stop the duopoly.. 'We love Marianne Williamson and Gill Stein... 'We need to support 3rd party to pressurise gov't...
But a baby isn’t independent until it can live without any care or support. I would suggest that that will not be until 18 and over. Until then, children are dependent on parents, carers etc.
its amazing to watch both sides basically accuse eachother of the same failings and dangers also most muslim countries abortion is illegal unless life of mother is under threat so to portray america as an outlier is selective reasoning.
Cenk is unhinged, but he is a referent for the American Progressive Left and for the ever growing internet political community. It is important to at least, know what he thinks. Besides, he is being pretty civil in this interview. Kudos to the Spectator for having him and for Freddie and Cenk for having a civil discussion.
His interpretation of the Bible is flawed, presumably because he doesn't believe in a loving God. He needs to listen to a Bible scholar to straighten out his interpretation. May the Good Lord have mercy on us for what we are doing to unborn children.
You obviously didn’t read Numbers: Then the Lord said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure-or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure-then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing. The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”-here the priest is to put the woman under this curse-“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it”’” (NIV).
Not only is the Bible pro abortion, 25% of pregnancies end in miscarriage aka natural abortion. The Catholic Church even has taught because miscarriages aren’t baptized they can never get to heaven. But again, you see what you want to see in your erroneous books and sects. The biblical god doesn’t exist and even if he did he certainly wouldn’t be loving.
This guy is talking absolute nonsense re Asian views towards abortion. Most people in Taiwan for example (where I've lived and which he specifically cited) are deeply conflicted about abortion, mostly on religious grounds, in that they are terrified an aborted baby will come back to haunt them throughout the rest of their lives...hence many people will spend a lot of time in temples following these kinds of events praying in aim pacify the babies spirit (sometimes for the rest of their lives)....it is therefore without a doubt a very contentious issue in this part of the world as it is in America...in no way to people think its like a knee surgery...so ridiculous
I think his point was about how the LAW treats abortion. Before 22-24 weeks, it’s just as legal as knee surgery. Those people go to temple to ask forgiveness for adultery, having abortion, etc. But those acts are considered “personal morality” and not subject to legal punishment.
Prime example of a smugnorant leftie for sure - but, in the name of free speach - good to hear his views - & I didn't completely disagree with all of them (abortion) - a bit jarring to listen to some of the unthinking stuff (Gaza genocide?) - but I got through - over all, useful to hear people do think that way.
I enjoy that we get to listen to opposing opinions. Could have pushed back on lots of bits, but I did enjoy a couple of Freddie’s quips. The main problem that this guy has, and there are a few, is that he is inconsistent with himself. He could probably just debate himself and not really know which way he’s going.
From 16 minutes or thereabouts: concerning viability which Mr Ugyur says "the mother gets to choose". Would that not mean that the law should have nothing to do with restraining the contract in which a woman agrees to get pregnant in order to allow scientific experimentation on the foetus in her body in its first and second trimester? And is it so crazy to wonder whether such strategic experimentation has long been in play? What are we to conclude when a new abortion drugs comes on the market with claims that scientifically controlled tests "prove" the "safety" of such drugs in X% cases?
Cenk is the embodiment of the new term ‘Smugnorant’
Why? Because he knows he’s right?
@@Samir-vc2yrBecause he is a clueless idiot who is convinced he is smarter than everyone else.
@@Samir-vc2yr No. Because if his oily smugness and the way that he gets all shouty and stroppy, like a drunk uncle that you try to avoid at weddings.
I quite like to give him a listen recently, he does make some interesting arguments.
I found this an interesting conversation, whether you like or don't like Cenk at least you get to hear Cenk's view point. Freddy did a good job in keeping the interview on track and letting Cenk speak.
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Agreed.
…and where it’s valuable, may I ask? The guy is so fluid… why can’t he go to Turkey to start that uprising he is getting ready for… I think there is curtain need for that there since it’s becoming totally authoritarian
I appreciate Cenk and Freddy disagreeing agreeably. This is what I like about being a Spectator subscriber.
Agreed bro.
Freddy should have presented facts to debunk the string of lies and distortions spewed out by this fabulist.
I did my best to listen to this man to hear the "other side" but I am even more convinced that he's part of the problem. Good of the Spectator to have him on, if only to allow us to make up our own minds about him.
The tragic flaw with
“my body, my choice” is that there are actually 2 bodies involved, and one doesn’t get a choice.
& that body is there solely due to the other's decisions... it's like locking someone in your basement & then refusing to take responsibility for their welfare
In Britain it is 24 weeks where a woman can get an abortion. And after that it is possible for medical reasons.
I disagree. There are at least 3 bodies involved: the man the woman, and the baby or babies.
How idiotic. Yes one does not get a choice, because it's a lump of cells not a person, and lumps of cells don't get to make decisions. Maybe next time you have a cyst removed you should consider it's feelings.
@@nihilistlivesmatter - A fertilized egg, a blastocyst, or an embryo is not a person. And yes there is a person involved, the one of whom that bundle of cells is a part, and who has every right to rid themselves of it. You sound like you are 13 and are just figuring out how to think.
I wonder if he characterizes correctly the "Asian" attitude towards abortion.
The traditional democrat position "safe, legal and rare" implied the fact that abortion was not a good think, and was meant as a last resort.
The democrat mentality changed a lot since than. I appreciate that Cenk recognized that Roe v. Wade was a legislative act and that the constitution did not contain such right. I agree that it is not the supreme court that should decide on those questions, but the legislative branch. I think state level is a good compromise.
I don't think I've ever seen Freddie Gray less impressed by a guest than in this interview...
And it's possible thats how the viewership feel as well. Something of a nadir...
Cenk brings that out in people
17:45 - 17:57
Freddie's face expressions say it all
Freddie is a calm and subtle presenter, which I admire. But on this occasion I feel he ought at least to have challenged his guest with fact where his account of events was fictional.
Sorry, but no. Anyone but that.
Cenk is your guest, are you'll so desperate 😢😢😢
Judge what he says. He's perfectly correct throughout this.
this was great thank you both
Why are so many people having a go at Cenk? You don't have to agree with him (As a European even i think he went far on the abortion thing). But guys come on, unsubscribing? Just because you dislike things he's saying? Credit to Spectator to bringing him on and hearing him out. We need people to be brave and have those that they may disagree with on. I think Cenk made interesting points about the extent of Lobbying in U.S politics.
It's because people just want to get spoon fed their own beliefs back to them they have no interest in free speech or the exchange of ideas, genuinely pathetic full grown adults unsubscribing because they heard something they don't like 😅
Cenk Uygur argues that the military-industrial complex, for want of a better description, has both Trump and the Democrats in its pocket. Could Freddy do an item on this idea please to help me get of a sense of how pervasive the influence of this complex really is.
Wow. There's a crossover I didn't expect. Look forward to listening in the car tomorrow. :)
Some tough nuts on here unsubscribing upon hearing a couple of minutes of an opposing view. Geewizz, that's .... weak, no?
Was just going to write the same. It really is quite pathetic.
Great job, Cenk
Loved Freddy-s pertinent observation about the apparent incongruity between innocent human life being lost in Gaza and abortion not being a moral issue.
"Right.. Let's move on." 😂
Cenk holding up Asian countries as a standard....jees
Why would you name yourself after the group behind the genocide of the Armenians? Loved the video where Douglas Murray put him firmly in his place and told him what he thought of him.
I just can't listen to this objectionable man., he's actually a dangerous activist, I'm really, really surprised to see him on Spectator TV. Bad move... 👎👎👎
Stop being so dramatic, god forbid someone with different views is on the channel
A danger to who?
@@Cornwall1888 He has never changed his position on anything. Everything is all Black and White thinking. He's Far left and far left is as dangerous as far right - so yes he is dangerous.
Spectator been creeping left for a while now .
@@StewartCain-w7foh no the horror that means you won't be able to stay in your bubble forever better find another channel that's in lock step with your worldview quick......
@@mrbritisher9748 No not really , I watch all sorts of news .. I just made an observation about the direction of The Spectator ...
Cenk can't believe that to most people, abortion is not a religious issue, but a scientific one. He'd rather paint his opposition as crazy religious zealots while his position, based on fetal viability, is based on nothing more than his personal feelings.
He doesn't seem to realise that by framing it as "when it can survive on its own", he suggests that the "bunch of cells" is, in fact, alive.
Cenks argument are imoral upside down. Thanks Freddy to give him a platforms the more he talks the more we know his delusional ideas. Good debate!
I lasted 3 minutes, then I tuned out when he called Trump a fascist. Sigh. 🙄
@@Markielee72 aren’t you the little snowflake
@@Markielee72 It was predictable..
First John Mearsheimer now Cenk. Candace and Tucker?
@@yoelmarson4049 It seems I share your antipathy to the people you mention. But it is important to know what and how the opposition thinks so that we can fight against it.
@@annabradshaw9902 am happier with Cenk on the show as he’s looking increasingly cray. But the spectator gives Jon the respectability he doesn’t deserve. He’s not a good actor
If he is right about the Asian attitude toward abortion (and I doubt the asian christians see it that way) it might be worth thinking more deeply about whether western worries about abortion are symptomatic of the same intellectual/religious/cultural impulse that basically formalised human rights.
Two men arguing about female biology, isn't that just the misguided cultural zeitgeist in a nutshell...
@@EdwardMarshallScheldt Why? Aren't males involved in the act of sexual intercourse that leads to pregnancy? Aren't males aborted?
Child sacrifice has never gone away for humanity, only the way its dressed over many thousands of years has changed.
I love when atheists preach to the religious about what their religion means.
Because the people who don't believe did their research. It's literally why they don't believe.
I'm pro-choice, but saying 'this isn't a moral issue in East Asia' is a very weird argument. There are plenty of rights, responsibilities and moral norms which we have in the West, and they don't have in Asia. And vice versa. Animal Welfare protections, for example, and are typically stronger in Western countries than in East Asia. What does that matter?
he`s right on one thing, life is cheaper in Asia....
I once subscribed to the spectator and guests like this is the reason you wont get another penny off me. Just unsubscribed from the RUclips channel as well. What a shitshow.
It is important to listen to the other side, although granted that it's not easy as this interview showed.
Wow. Where is the fact checker? A lot of what this guy says is actually actionable. He should change his name to Crank.
@@sandralynn5211 I can think of a shorter word beginning with C.. 🤔
I despise Cenk.
I thought I subscribed to The Spectator, Cenk belongs on the Jerry Springer show.
Wow, was literally no one else available. Unsubscribed.
Pathetic attitude 😂
With respect, who cares what people in Asia think about abortion or any other matter?
I'm baffled, what's the relevance?
Btw, Freddie looked vey uncomfortable during this interview. Can hardly blame him tbh.
Cenk the Tenk. Seems audacious him fronting a show with the title 'The Young Turks'. I didn't reach the end of this episode. I only know who this geezer is from watching the reaction videos from the 2016 election.
I cannot believe he’s been given a tribune here 🙄 Planning to miss this release - swung by to drop a little complaint 😂
25:55 "They're acting deeply immorally" Israel doesn't think they're acting immorally. 13:40 "They're like what do you mean, they hit first. We do an eye for an eye, where if they strike first, we hit back."
27:26 He gets it.
Using China as a moral compass to guide your views on how we should value life might not be the best idea, to put it mildly.
I'd rather you have on Ana Kasparian. She has, at least, one foot in reality.
Not petty at all...a judgement is made on which vulnerable life is OK to end and which is not. And somehow call this modern and progressive.
We have unpaid parental leave in Australia. Although employers can offer paid leave, at their discretion.
When will the Spectator mention or even interview Presidential Candidate Dr Jill Stein. My understanding is she is on the ballot on over 95% of states
Because she hasn't a chance.
He’s a very confident chap isn’t he?
When you’re right, you’re confident.
poor Freddie quietest he has been in weeks, interview Tucker next week and cheer yourself up 🤣🤣
I say Freddy, if you don't like wearing a tie, then take the bloody thing off! Either that or get a clip-on tie for ease of fitting and burnishing your jolly chap image. Love your videos!
He who pays the piper calls the tune. Its been known since we had pipes,and pipers. 😏
I have dropped in on Piers Morgan's show a few times, and it strikes me as political porn essentially. A commercial success, I have no doubt. Freddy Gray's style is more to my taste, but I'm old fashioned. *Spectator* consumers in the mother country would be able to form a fair idea of the kind of American left represented by Uygur.
TYT/Cenk not voting 3rd party when he repeats that he and TYT 'We Oppose anti-corporate funding... 'We Oppose Israel re Gaza and .... 'We MUST support 3rd parties in order to stop the duopoly.. 'We love Marianne Williamson and Gill Stein... 'We need to support 3rd party to pressurise gov't...
Got through 10 mins of that. Not worth listening to
DISLIKE
But a baby isn’t independent until it can live without any care or support. I would suggest that that will not be until 18 and over. Until then, children are dependent on parents, carers etc.
When he says Asia it is best if he was a bit more specific. Why did he not speak from a Turkish point of view I wonder?
His wife is Asian and turkey is a religious fundamentalist state.
A low point for the Spectator, but most probably a high point for Mr. Uygur.
Sigh. I wish you could do better than this for me.
Watching Cenk losing the plot with Kasparian in her ever-more red-pilled journey 😂 shes pro-2A and everything now, she'll be homesteading soon 😂
This guy should talk to Vivek.
It’s the 2024 US presidential election.
its amazing to watch both sides basically accuse eachother of the same failings and dangers also most muslim countries abortion is illegal unless life of mother is under threat so to portray america as an outlier is selective reasoning.
Cenk doesn't cut me.
Urgh, Cenk's nephews Uncle. 😂
Aaaah. "I'm an atheist". Now it makes sense.
Muslim Supremacist
This guy makes lies sound so true. 😏
Its important to hear different views. Boring being in a bubble
Cenk is unhinged, but he is a referent for the American Progressive Left and for the ever growing internet political community. It is important to at least, know what he thinks. Besides, he is being pretty civil in this interview. Kudos to the Spectator for having him and for Freddie and Cenk for having a civil discussion.
Junk Oogah is a windbag, but every single thing he says herein is true.
It's good to just let Uygur talk as he shows himself for what he is.
God he's loving all this attention lol
I love Freddy, despite his being “flummoxed”. NOT lol. Cenk needs to look in a mirror.
What an ignoramus...
Save the cats vote Trump .
How did donor money affect you,Cenk?
His interpretation of the Bible is flawed, presumably because he doesn't believe in a loving God. He needs to listen to a Bible scholar to straighten out his interpretation. May the Good Lord have mercy on us for what we are doing to unborn children.
You obviously didn’t read Numbers:
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure-or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure-then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing. The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”-here the priest is to put the woman under this curse-“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it”’” (NIV).
Not only is the Bible pro abortion, 25% of pregnancies end in miscarriage aka natural abortion. The Catholic Church even has taught because miscarriages aren’t baptized they can never get to heaven. But again, you see what you want to see in your erroneous books and sects. The biblical god doesn’t exist and even if he did he certainly wouldn’t be loving.
I shall not watch this, the knmt valuable insight would be as to just how biased and tarded he is. I shall pass.
This guy is talking absolute nonsense re Asian views towards abortion. Most people in Taiwan for example (where I've lived and which he specifically cited) are deeply conflicted about abortion, mostly on religious grounds, in that they are terrified an aborted baby will come back to haunt them throughout the rest of their lives...hence many people will spend a lot of time in temples following these kinds of events praying in aim pacify the babies spirit (sometimes for the rest of their lives)....it is therefore without a doubt a very contentious issue in this part of the world as it is in America...in no way to people think its like a knee surgery...so ridiculous
I think his point was about how the LAW treats abortion. Before 22-24 weeks, it’s just as legal as knee surgery. Those people go to temple to ask forgiveness for adultery, having abortion, etc. But those acts are considered “personal morality” and not subject to legal punishment.
Prime example of a smugnorant leftie for sure - but, in the name of free speach - good to hear his views - & I didn't completely disagree with all of them (abortion) - a bit jarring to listen to some of the unthinking stuff (Gaza genocide?) - but I got through - over all, useful to hear people do think that way.
I enjoy that we get to listen to opposing opinions. Could have pushed back on lots of bits, but I did enjoy a couple of Freddie’s quips. The main problem that this guy has, and there are a few, is that he is inconsistent with himself. He could probably just debate himself and not really know which way he’s going.
Big brown buffallo, im not watching keek
What's next? David Irving!
From 16 minutes or thereabouts: concerning viability which Mr Ugyur says "the mother gets to choose". Would that not mean that the law should have nothing to do with restraining the contract in which a woman agrees to get pregnant in order to allow scientific experimentation on the foetus in her body in its first and second trimester? And is it so crazy to wonder whether such strategic experimentation has long been in play? What are we to conclude when a new abortion drugs comes on the market with claims that scientifically controlled tests "prove" the "safety" of such drugs in X% cases?
This is the most unhinged thing I've seen for while
This is your guest??? How much lower can you go??? I unsubscribe
The last time I heard anyone talk like C-n- they were sectioned