Amy Wax on Penn suspension & the feminisation of institutions
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Amy Wax is a professor of law at the University of Pennsylvania, known for her views on race, culture, and social policy. Recently, Amy faced suspension from her teaching duties following remarks that sparked debates over academic freedom and the limits of discourse in the classroom. Amy joins Freddy Gray on the Americano show to discuss her recent suspension, what is behind the feminisation of institutions and how school teaching should return to the 50s.
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Does the truth matter anymore? Amy Wax on her Penn suspension and the feminisation of society
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She reminds me of that aunt at Thanksgiving who has no filter but all the data.
Amy Wax is a 21st century free speech champion.
Unless I had been listening to Victor Davis Hanson on his podcast last night, I would have passed on this interview. Good grief! I have been living in the darkness of ignorance all this time, not knowing the magnificence of Prof. Amy Wax. VDH spoke so very highly of her. Wow, she is one in a zillion! It is a beautiful thing each time she says, “let me give you an example”-so rare and extremely valuable. Her situation is another glaring example of the upside down and backwards world, which the Marxist dems created and have been shoving down our throats. She gives me hope that it is possible to rescue, and save our beloved Republic! Thank you Prof. Hanson for your comments regarding Prof. Wax. Your podcast is reliably good, last night was one of your greats.
Here because of Victor David Hanson too. 🤝
Well written comment 👍.
I am a Canadian who came from Hong Kong. I have thus some experience of Marxist-Communist regimes.
A simplified equation is: Wokes = Marxists, Communists = Totalitarians.
A less simplified analysis: Because Marxism-Communism is illogical, compliance will need to be coerced. Broadly speaking, pointing a gun at the older people born before the regime (thus totalitarian) while brainwashing the young born after (thus producing wokes).
Brains are encouraged to feel and obey, not to think and debate, let alone critically. Hence, dumbed down brains on a large scale.
Marxists-Communists are hypocrites in character, assuming a normal IQ. Hence, they lie, cheat, and blame others as a routine. They skew historic facts. They obfuscate opinions. They cancel opposing views. Having many wokes makes the above tasks easier.
Ultimately, the objective is power and control, and their rise to power depends on an unthinking critical mass of people, many of whom have fine-looking paper qualifications.
I like this lady. She is very correct in her opinions.
Not really.
This lady is speaking truth.
I've been threatened with doxing for asking how high rates of divorce, which leads to fatherless homes, which leads to more crimes is a result of "institutionalized racism?"
They're never married in the first place.
God bless Amy Wax……..thank you Spectator .
Seconded!
I am a Canadian who came from Hong Kong. I treasure Canada's constitutional values and principles, including its ideals of freedom and liberty. These do derive from Western traditions, histories, and cultures, including the Judeo-Christian influences. I embrace these.
Now, have Western cultures been all good and lily white? Of course, not. But neither has any other groups of cultures, including the one I was born into.
I tend to seek, in my profession and life in general, the best practices, ideas, and values, regardless of where and from whom they come. In short, meritocracy.
DEI just for DEI's sake, regardless of merit, is illogical and counter-productive, and not just in the narrow economic sense.
GOSH, she's a joy to listen to! A real breath of stale 1950's air!
I LOVE HER!
Ah, 1955! The last gasp of Western Civilisation (RIP). I was born in 1949 and I just about remember the 1950s and the early sixties. Many of our teachers resembled John Cleese as the Roman centurion in Life of Brian (ruclips.net/video/IIAdHEwiAy8/видео.html). Now THAT's what you call teaching!
My (now former) neighbors libeled and defamed me with countless lies including a couple that paint me as racist. In the newspaper they said I said that black people have too many kids. They got the idea from a conversation in which they were falsely accusing me of something unspecified so they could be victims, and I responded on the premise that if we're playing oppression olympics, then I as the single childless woman in the neighborhood full of large families, am the "marginalized" one, the person everyone should be concerned about. To make my point I counted up the many large families in the near vicinity, and I pointed to a house and said "And the black family on the corner." This is where they got the idea to say I said black people have too many kids. They also said (lied) that "two weeks after the murder of George Floyd" I threatened to call police on their black children over improper recycling. I did say to the kids "That's not the right way to put cardboard out!" I did not threaten to call police. The man telling the lie was the only one who threatened to call police, and he not only threatened to call 911, he threatened to misrepresent my cutting cardboard boxes as threatening him with a knife. He said he was going to call 911 and tell them there's a woman here with a knife." I'm a 5-3" 110 lb woman, 48 at the time, and this man was about 2-3 times my size.
She's right about the bias narrative. Many conservatives accept it, but then are surprised by the consequences (if you accept that all inequality is due to bias, then the existence of any inequality proves that bias remains and the institution/society/organization is still in need of reform, allowing for a sort of permanent revolution against discrimination)
I am disappointed with John McWorter.
I watch him on the Glenn show from Australia. Far too often he appears ignorant of major issues. I've tolerated him because he insists onto talking to Glenn Loury, but there's more than a whiff of Don Lemon about him.
@@AndyJarman Isn’t Glenn great? BTW, Did you see the rant that Glenn went on when talking about affirmative action? He yelled, “They stole my virtue!”
Yes!
John McWorter is a token. I know that sounds racist, but he really is dense. Somebody held their nose when grading his college papers and whisked him through the system.
John mcWhorter sad recently on one of his podcast that Robert Kennedy Junior was an asshole when he dropped out of the race and supported Trump.
As a uk lecturer, every conversation with a studernt is recordrd (lecturecast lrctures.and seminars, zoom) because of this problem.. i NEVER do face to face in any context. Sad times .....
It is sad. You cannot even make a joke without someone alleging a hate crime.
Great guest! she's pure gold!
I admire her courage.
Profoundly important for academia to listen.
you should be able to speak one's mind from a long career of Academic performance. It will be bad if they win for the west.
This lady would be too deplorable even for the Lotus Eaters podcast. She's great!
Great guest. People need to appreciate the importance of enlightenment values and how the modern world was created, because progress doesn't just happen and it can go backwards. It's happened in the past and a lot of people feel that it's happening again now.
Wonderful woman.
Appreciate your stance Professor. All the best.
What a brilliant articulate and gracious lady. It’s amazing how composed she is in the face of such vitriolic attacks. This is true bravery.
The femisation bit in the title hooked me. The HR department in any large company now directs policy. Executive directors are clueless they are being subjected to Long housing, they still think "safety" refers to prevention of physical injuries and not circumscribing relationships between employees or what is considered acceptable conduct.
@@AndyJarman It seems like the majority of the right is blind to it, which is weird because to me it's the obvious main variable, and more coherent than talking about mind viruses. I think the right has a strong pro female bias so they aren't good opponents.
Critical race theory and other derived ideas, are from lawyers! So it is good that Amy wax a lawyer is pushing back!
This lady is just what we all used to see as a normal person.
The statement about truth and McWhorter's article ... or should I say The NYT's article ... is damning.
This is fantastic!! Brilliant guest!!
If someone is just wrong, you should be able to say so. In that way society and learning evolve. This is about rolling back the "Enlightenment" for the sake of your kids be truthful.
this is bordering on Chinese "truth courts"
Excellent. Really enjoyed that. Thanks
Amy Wax, I am so sorry that you and your values are such a small minority in the world of academia today. I feel that a generation of young have had the misfortune to have missed a valuable education and a realistic introduction to life. I pray one day the west will find a way back to value based education. Thank you for fighting the fight and putting up with the woke wave trying to shut you down.
It seems that in this age people don't handle nuance very well, and are very anxious to slap on a label, put you in a group, demonize you and cancel you.
Quoting the "Slimes", Freddie? This is why so many of us have exactly zero respect for "journalism". You want the truth, don't read the Slimes. You tear it into strips and take it to the backhouse just in case. What you might do, Freddie, is listen to the actual interviews Professor Wax has done and actually hear her words rather than quote a totally unreliable source. That would be real journalism. Why not set the precedent?
Prof Wax should join the Peterson academy.
Yes, black people can do things to improve their own circumstances.
"Thou shalt not steal." It's much MORE than that, Ms. Wax: there isn't a society on Earth or in history that has allowed theft. It's forbidden in Islam and Hinduism and all the cultures of East Asia, as well as traditional African, indigenous American, and Polynesian societies. Also, developing countries suffer from endemic corruption and nepotism, but they have MUCH lower crime rates than the "modern" West.
We didn't get to this place in a vaccuum, you know! I'm old enough to remember when the conventional people, the conservative people (or whatever label you want to give them) were dishing out irrationality and disdain against the "others" who are now called "woke". And I remember when so-called "out groups" were accepted into these name-brand ivy league schools. It was problematic. These schools were historically inaccessible to most people. They created a caste system, and still do. Ivy leagues were interested in keeping everyone out who didn't have money, influence, etc. And Ivy league schools are still here for those who seek privilege and want power. Don't you think it is interesting that the schools, whose presidents were recently fired as a result of their responses, were all ivy leagues?
Dr. Wax is having an ugly encounter with MULLICAN'S LAW: on the internet, quantifiers and qualifiers tend to fall off, and the most inflammatory nuggets, stripped of context, go flying around the internet.
It's surprising Prof. Wax hasn't jouned the dots regarding what the "big picture" overarching aim is of this cult.
This lady is one of the most forthright academics of our time. She says the simple truth, and that is her only crime.
May this note find us all ever closer to God, and Peace.
I was introduced to Amy in an interview with Glenn Greenwald and was very impressed.
I am sorry she is treated so badly for teaching trues, but remember if she was a man saying similar things would have been removed quickly.
One of my censored RUclips comment this morning was arguing that since our lives are increasing needlessly complicated, that even with my education, work-ethic, and IQ I struggle with such required crap, and since IQ correlates with better life-satisfaction and wealth, people with lower then average IQ will be expected to have more failures and lower life-satisfaction and wealth, and since IQ generally connected to ancestral region they developed from and blacks from places like Samalia with average IQ in 70's are very likely to struggle and fail, and that such relationship is not allowed to be added to policy-shaping like with our 'war on poverty' that is always argued that racism is the cause of their poverty, and so peoples lives and massive suffering are scarified to the power and wealth of mostly elite managerial class.
And many such examples of blocking information that could allow clarity and understanding, that can lead to solutions that reduce suffering and other long-term horrors.
There is so much good stuff in this video, I'm sorry to be time restricted to add them.
God Bless., Steve
Ten minutes in and I still don't know what the hell she is supposed to have said. Why no context? I really don't understand.
To be honest, following the Cenk interview this was always going to seem sublime by comparison.
Loyal Opposition - a principle we all need ro adhere to.
Fix the feminist academic system? No problem. Get rid of the 'assessment' system for matriculation, and return to the plain old two weeks of examinations, to be marked by anonymous examiners in a state based centralised organisation. No playing favourites with politics to get into uni'. Get into uni' entirely on merit, and nothing else.
Read "Inventing the Individual" by Larry Seidentop. It describes the genesis of the family unit from Bronze age Greece and Rome.
It explains how men and women had developed the family as a fundamental unit of society, a private religion, wirh a judge and priest, justified by its connection with its ancestoral lineage.
The family was evolved to suit the inherent attributes and priorities of the sexes.
Contemporary society places little to no conscious validity on the foundational qualities supporting a society made of functioning families.
I pretty well agree with everything Wax says, including "a" and "the". Except for the bit about Israel. I did once upon a time. Until I realised Leon Uris' version - a land without a people - etc was total BS. The Arabs have been treated extremely badly and still are. I guess that makes me sexist, racist, and antisemitic too. But I really have contempt for those bogus predicates as I believe they are called.
I found this interview interesting. And I appreciate Amy Wax’s willingness to be open in what she thinks. And I stand on the side that believes that we are better with more speech. Not less.
But that said, freedom of speech is not immunity from critique. And a prominent flaw in her approach is quite well exemplified by what she said about the Democratic Party; that it is no better than its worst and most extreme elements. But for reasons unstated, the GOP is not subject to the same construct. Because if the Democrats are the Party of neo-Marxist thievery and destruction of property as the foundation of civilization, the GOP is then the Party of right wing ultra-Christian Nationalism that seeks nothing less than the end of the Republic and the institution of an hegemonic theocracy. And as much as she may point to San Francisco and Portland, others may point to hordes that descended on the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to forestall the constitutional transfer of power and state legislatures that have sought to commandeer women’s bodies and prohibit drag queens and other groups they don’t like. And as for “freedom of speech” being exclusively a problem of the Left, and it is, similarly, the would-be restrictions on people and causes the Right doesn’t like are equally worthy of citation and consideration.
Bottom line, I don’t find Amy Wax’s argumentation and constructs satisfying. It misses nuance, and forecloses solutions, which is a broader problem with our political discourse at this time.
Getting rid of prosecuting stealing is certainly bad but having a peace rewarding Russia for attacking Ukraine is bad too. Looks like USA has no good options. Just like UK having to choose between Labour and Conservatives. Political parties seem immune to public opinion.
Inequitably targeted disrespect is my next band project name.
GG Amy
You're looking great Ms. Wax!
I'm a big fan, but Ms. Wax didnt really accurately summarize the Enlightenment values as just consisting of rule of law, justice, rigor, evidence.
The very foundation of the Enlightenment were the concepts of tolerance and free speech, without which the others dont mean much.
Tolerance was born out of the 17th century wars of religion, and initially the emphasis was RELIGIOUS tolerance. This is why the Puritans
came to America, to escape religious persecution. Jefferson wrote the Virginia Statute of Religious Toleration. Free speech is absolutely fundamental for any real democracy, and of course we have been seeing a historically unprecedented attack on free speech by the Western Left. Quite devious in their methods, they initially invented the bogus concept of "hate speech" since of course everybody is against hate, right?, so they can say no, no, no, we absolutely support free speech we are only against hate speech. THEN they proceed to define hate speech as.........basically anything leftists disagree with. Neat trick. Voilà.
Now the speech restrictions have expanded beyond "hate speech" to anything that makes someone feel "unsafe" or hurts their feelings. But as Ms Wax points out....only left-wing feelings, not right-wing feelings.
Today the Wall Street Journal had an article on the fantastic pay increases for Lawyers to over $2,500/hr. If the law was not "arbitrary and capricious" it seems that law could be done by any smart person with AI and reason (conventional logic) and the pay of lawyers would be going down, not up. Conclusion: the law itself is politically arbitrary and hiring the most "connected" mouthpiece is profitable meaning the results of the law are arbitrary.
"Mexicans are more likely to rape women" she applied this to trump. She is actually doing what was done to her. Making an accusation based on stereotype. He could have said it maybe. Penn's decision....she could have said it based on previous accusations. Maybe a bit of a rest is a good thing followed by retirement.
Amy wax is based
As far as race, yes, there is disparity in the IQ results of race groups. But these are averages for all the individuals in the race. Some individuals are very high, some very low. But the averages do vary by race. And not just for blacks. Whites have lower IQ results than Jews and Asians. How come?
Because of culture, not inherent brain power. Isnt it a coincidence that Jews and Asians have always been know for huge devotion to education, discipline, and hard work. If others adopt these habits, they too will have excellent results. Culture is not an immutable characteristic.
17:45 I don’t think that we’re more stupid, but many are more arrogant. The young, in particular, have been trained to overvalue their every utterance. They rarely consider others viewpoints, even when those others are world experts who opinions skills at least be listened to and contemplated (followed by researched for veracity).
I recently heard a young German psychologist scoff at a PhD biologist’s definition of sex, in favor of what Wikipedia said. Sigh…
Snitching the new grassing.
The Founding. Fathers were aristocratic republicans.
Toxic compassion
i don't think she should be silenced BUT when she uses words like WOKE she demonstrate that she is not intellectual
She's a bit delusional when she extrapolates shop-lifting to become a danger of magnificent proportions and she clearly didn't think through the consequences of the capital being accumulated in the hands of fewer and fewer.
She should read Marx and if that's too long a text for her, at least contemplate about the "bigger fish eats the smaller one" principle in capitalism.
That has a lot to do with the theft the rich engage in, impoverishing of the general population and thus breaking the respect for the social contracts (where we, eventually find shoplifting).
I'm horrified by the lipstick
its amazing that the increasingly moribund spectator tv and the ridiculous subjects you invite onto your program still keeps going. what on earth are you aiming at? whats your objective? so you invite on an ancient and irrelevant law "teacher" from Penn State ( big fucking deal) why? what point are you exactly trying to make? That spectator tv and octogenarians are beining to feel irrelevant. In which case, well done. Its true
Not woke enough for you Martin? I'm not sure if The Guardian has a RUclips channel, maybe something like that would be more up your street?
Lol, who exactly do you want them to talk to?
Were you paying attention? She's at Penn, not Penn State (a different place).
Added to which it only takes 10 seconds on Google to learn she's 71, so not an octogenarian.
And I count about 14 typing and punctuation errors in your rant, but you haven't pointed out any errors in what she said.
Her and Camille Paglia should get together.
It’s worse than sloppiness of thought, it’s a stark inability-or arrogant refusal-to think…as that term is used by people with a brain in their head.
It's surprising Prof. Wax hasn't jouned the dots regarding what the "big picture" overarching aim is of this cult.