Was this found after or before update 2 because if it’s after then maybe it’s intended for the 3rd update since we do already have what I think is a story script and character animations for Amy knuckles and tails in the files maybe it a similar case here but as you said it’s just a theory a game theory!? 😄🤔
Ahhh I’ve always wondered why no one covered this but. Sonic was genuine butchered when he was announced on switch. I guarantee you there’s a full version of this somewhere that had to be cut in to work on the switch and then streamline with the rest of the consoles and pc When switch does die. We can finally embrace the new generation
I honestly like Ouranos's flowery landscape and cloudy skies, it gives a sort of nice contrast. Of course i wish there was a bit more going on but hey, me personally, im fine with what i got since im big on scenery in video games.
Minor correction: Chaos, despite being.... Quite the sonic staple at this point, IS part of greek mythology and is essentially the original entity of greek mythology, even creating those that came the primordial deities such as Nyx and Erebus. That could represent the original plan to have it be where the factory of titans was held!
Personally I thought it WAS supposed to be Chaos, as Eggman literally calls him the god of destruction and Chaos was a important part of Tails' story in sonic adventure.
@@SFproductions1 On that note Uranus and Reha are also linked to Kronos as the former his is father (that he overthrow to become king of the cosmos) while the latter was his wife. So what might be why these cut of segments of Kronos were named that.
Something to note is that the Ouranos portion of the early Kronos map is actually a bit smaller than the final Ouranos Island. If you compare the islands´ sillouetes you´ll see that the final Ouranos overlaps some of Rhea Island. My theory is that they focused on expanding Ouranos during the final development cicles, which is probably why there´s no remains of this original final island. (If it even existed in the first place since Eggman only mentions three islands on his memos, so there´s also the chance that we were simply meant to return to Kronos for the games finale.)
@@fluffydragon1525 He meant that final Ouranos is bigger than the version which was a piece of Kronos from the leaked map, so if you put them back together it now overlaps Rhea. Plus while Rhea and Kronos are still one model in the final game, Ouranos was cut out entirely and thus can't be seen from Kronos, at least I'm pretty sure it can't.
@@fluffydragon1525 correction: rhea is connected to kronos *on rhea and kronos's map you can see their connected*, not to mention you go through gigantos area to get to a tower, not to mention you can litterally see kronos in rhea
When it comes to the final two islands, Kronos wasn't just cut because of time, but mainly due to Playtesters. They said that it was boring and not fun. So the developers decided to split them up to help make the first island be filled up more and to help with pacing and getting the player familiar with the gameplay loop. As for what this 4th island could be, i think it just was Ouranos but probably with more intresting architecture to explore, like the ship. From the dialogue, we know their world ship is busted as Sage refers to it as all that is left. With the new content Update 3 is adding, we know that Ouranos will be given a new object layout and a better ending. I don't beleive there was a proper 4th original island, as we have nothing concrete regarding what it could have looked like, all we really know is there was a cut space ship, and that's it really lol. Which what Update 3 brings, i think Ouranos will be given the upgrade it needs, sadly i doubt they'll change the visual look of it, tho
Well we also have to remember that back when the playtesters played frontiers, there were absolutely no platforming challenges in the open zone. There were only enemies and guardians
Well, it was internally refered to as belonging to "level4", meaning it was unique enough to be called as such. Ouranos is still internally refered to as "Level1" because it is an extended version of a part of the original Kronos.
@@SFproductions1I really hope in a sequel the platforming is more integrated into the environment, so they wouldn't have to add challenges on top of it and it wouldn't look and feel so cluttered.
In the kronos beta shot that we have(the part where sonic jumps), there is a place in the right that in the original game simply doesn't exist. Maybe that is were the ship was located? Evidence shows that maybe we were going to return to the first island and unlock the final area. In the egg memos Eggman mentions the islands, but he says "in these 3 islands" or something like that, so it maybe points that the ship maybe crashed on an island. Who knows! I love seeing more of the lore of this game. Love the video!!
If you're talking about that first shot showing a lot of Ouranos, on the right past the tower that's thick fog covering Giganto. It's also where Supreme is in the final game. It would've been cool if the pyramid temple thing had some sort of teleporter to the ship instead of a chaos emerald though.
I think the game was originally only going to be Kronos, Ares and Chaos island, with the first being the massive combination of Kronos, Rhea and Ouranos that everyone knows about. Kishimoto said that Kronos was split up because playtesters thought it was too big and empty, so they opted to have a smaller island with more in it. And even in the final game, Eggman himself mentions this. He talks about why the ancients didn’t rule the world “outside these *three* piddly islands”. However it’s possible that the mothership could’ve acted as a 4th “island” that the original final boss would’ve taken place on
Ares and Chaos didn't exist when Kronos, Rhea, and Ouranos were all just one island. Playtesters complained that Kronos was too big, but they also complained that the game was visually stale, being all grass all the time, and that's because Ares and Chaos didn't exist. They were made to add variety to the game. Also, in the memos, Eggman might not have known about Ouranos, since his tech isn't seen there like it is in the other islands.
@@ZeroSolarisDXL nah, when Kronos, Rhea, and Ouranos were all one island, Ares and Chaos didn't exist. Playtesters didn't enjoy the overly-big and visualy same-y game, so it was split up and new islands were created. The game we have now is likely much better than what we could've gotten
I agree with the playtesters, but it is still a shame about the Chaos-factory that if I had to guess was cut to keep that island smaller. What I don't get is that appearently the game was more challenging originally and that was also removed. That has nothing to do with the size of the island or the pacing, so what happened over there?
It was a good time to put this video out because everyone was having fun with update 2 especially the spin dash. Man it’s cool to see Sega true potential if they give this game more time in production. I hope update 3 is huge because there’s a lot of questions goes unanswered. And alot of feedback and promises from the developers is in the right hand that will give sonic frontiers a higher score.
With the New Story part of Update 3, and the characters featured, I do hope it is more a retelling of that 'power of friendship' bit so the other characters actually do something to cure Sonic, and a proper ending to the game, too. Personally, I would love it if the three characters rode up next to Super Sonic and Supreme Sage in the Titans that were featured in their islands and have a proper 5 V 1 boss battle against The End
Great video! Morio Kishimoto has said on Twitter that Ouranos will see an overhaul along with the story additions, so perhaps we'll see some remains of the Ancient's worldship in there? I'm looking forward to seeing what will change.
honestly even though ouranos is just kronos 3, i actually think its the best island in the game for me, its somehow prettier, larger, better island theme and the cyberspace levels go hard though if they are able to for update 3, id love to see them create new textures for ouranos that changes the island's overall theming, whether it be autumn or winter, id love to see some new theming if they have the time to do so
Hopefully Sega will see the success of Frontiers and gives Sonic Team more money and even more time to work on the next game. Also hot take, I didn't mind The End fight, as bare bones and underwhelming as it was. Thought it was a cool representation of Sage's character development with switching from dark to light shots. And the music is cool, parts of it remind me of the main theme of the Ori games.
I really liked the last two islands still, but lack of a "Cyber Sonic" is in my opinion the biggest missed potential with Frontiers. After using Super Sonic throughout the whole game, it only made sense to me to have a new shiny form to make the endgame stand out more. I think in my ideal Frontiers, without adding substantial content, I would change it like this: Rhea Island takes place after Ouranos, and after fighting Supreme. Super Sonic gets shot down by a last-ditch attack from Supreme, and the emeralds scatter to each of the towers. After each tower you actually feel the effects of the corruption, with movement speed getting gradually slower and more sluggish, until the last tower, in which he goes into the cataconic state seen in the game. The same cutscene happens up until before his friends use the power of friendship, and instead, that's when Sage tells Eggman he NEEDS to help him. Eggman brings the gang the last emerald, and in a Sonic 06-esque scene, they use the power of the emeralds to bring Sonic back. However, he doesn't go Super; similarly to Perfect Chaos and Super Sonic utilizing the negative and positive energy of the emeralds respectively, the emeralds temporarily absorb cyber corruption whilst reviving Sonic, and he becomes Cyber Sonic - a Dark Sonic adjacent form with blank white eyes, quills on end, and constantly flashing with cyber energy - to which he and Sage take on The End. Even just writing this makes me sad 😭
One thing I was really thinking would happen. Is that Eggman would be one of Sonic's "friends" that he had to help. I wonder of that was planned at some point. A chance for Sonic and Eggman to talk besides banter
one thing that sucks was that line where sonic was saying “they took your homes they took your lives” that was meant to be sonic talking the ancients to get their power and become hyper sonic
I actually wanna believe that Supreme is just a prototype of a Titan, maybe Giganto was the one that was the new one? And Supreme got attacked by The End, no wonder why he/she has lower health than the others.
Wow makes sense I mean you would aim for the weakest of your enemy’s strongest troops to take control of so that you can upgrade it and be even stronger.
@@agrilsunil1I mean the pilot of Supreme intentionally _wanted_ to trap The End in their Titan, mind. I'll grant you the part about The End possibly damaging it, though hopefully Update 3 will help make it better anyways
it would have been really interesting to see a section of the game comprised of the ships the ancients rode to the planet in perhaps if they were activated to take flight and rise above the islands at some point in the story a few of them could've been buried across the islands and taken chunks of each island's terrain atop their roofs with them into the skies allowing for a mix of the previous islands alongside the interiors of the ships or whatever would've been in store for such a place
I always thought to myself " How did Sonic get from Rhea Island to Ouranos Island?" Because Sonic made it from one island to another by turning into Super Sonic and flying to the next island. If Kronos, Rhea and Ouranos were connected, it would explain how he got to Ouranos from Rhea, but since they aren't connected in the final game, and Eggman and Sage already left before Sonic, how exactly did Sonic get from Rhea to Ouranos?
My head canon is that the three are very, _very_ close together, so much so they probably were a single island at some point. Sonic then found a place he could jump from one island to another. Just a headcanon, though.
You know how the original ending with The End when it says that you'd use the Titans alongside Sage piloting Supreme? I wonder if instead of destroying the Titans: Giganto, Wyvern, and Knight, each of Sonic's friends might've had used their cyber forms and helped pilot the other Titans after releasing them from The End's influence and fighting against it?
One thing is to make an image that presents an idea and the other is to implement it, the concept art in most games will always have a concept art superior to the final product, just look at the concept art of the birch forest that Mojang showed which deceived the whole community As for the ship's discarded mission it seems to be an early idea but it would have been interesting In my opinion it would have been a great idea that the mission of rhea was done in Ouranos with the open world for Sonic's friends with everyone looking for the emeralds to free Sonic with a cinematic of Sonic in his consciousness having visions and voices that warn him of the last Titan and so when he has been freed it is his turn to end this...
It would’ve been neat if Ouranos would’ve been the world ship AND the end, as in the end was inside the world ship and you release it by bypassing chaos emerald aided security systems, the entire time the end speaks to you, but also challenges you, it WOULD explain anything like enemies, structures, map challenges, and I can support that more, I’ve noticed after update 2, while playing around I would get random voice lines, the end telling me to use the island and everything on it despite the fact I beat the game several times, sonic strangely mourning Tails on Chaos, saying something along the lines of, “[deep sigh] I wish Tails were here to see this.” and other things along those lines
Oh yeah, someone actually leaked the script for the final update of frontiers. Also, the spin dash was found in update 1 and made into update 2, so there is a possibility that the unused things could come to update 3.
5:30 Yeah, part of me thinks Sonic Team wanted to add more but they couldn’t due to SEGA putting a tighter budget and/or deadlines to the point that they realised they couldn’t get to where they wanted it. I digress, though.
Thing about Chaos Chaos is a predominant Theme through mythologies and is usally depicted as the 'birth' place of the world Chaos Island is a Volcano, Skilling out Lava. Which makes more land and it has happed that a Volcano can erupt in the middle of the Ocean and just make a new Island
Remember this game had the longest development time of any Sonic game at this point. Yet there was still so much cut out of it. I think there was some conflicts in story behind the curtains. It could be that Ian Flynn WANTED to do the world ship story but maybe there was just to much that needed to be done on top of them needed to fine tune a all new gameplay style that as of now with the major updates, is still a little rough. I would not be all to shocked to hear about a "sequel" to Sonic Frontiers that can go more into the Ancients, how they relate to the Chao and Echidna tribes, as well as what The End actually was and it's reason for destruction. There is just so much left unanswered like, why did the Ancients have the Chaos Emeralds but yet the Master Emerald was on Sonic's World/Earth? Why NOW did the Chaos Emeralds react to the Islands? Is there more Islands out there that could have more ruins from the Ancient's?
1:13 I remember thinking of alternative ideas, like a visual/story rewrite. Kronos Island Revision: Fog should've been a prominent feature, showcasing how mysterious the Starfall Islands are. The Ancient structures used for platforming should also have moss growing. Ares Island Revision: I don't like how the higher areas are so difficult to even find ways to get up there. Not a fan of the blank, desert wasteland aesthetic either. In BotW, Gerudo Desert does the idea much better with the more considerate landscape instead of cliffsides and the more... technicolor look. Artificial structures should be sand blasted. At the very least I'd want something akin to that one beach photo with spirally sand structures. Chaos Island: The Chemical Ponds should've been more prominent, as should the whole Freeze Flame Galaxy thing it has with the volcano and ice. Rhea Island: Honestly? Just take all the leaves away. Portray a dead forest to fit the depressing tone. Ouranos Island: Maybe have some unconventional ancient structures, using the Earth's resources instead of what they brought with them. Also when the name leaked, part of me hoped Ouranos (which is sky related) was the Ancients' name for Angel Island.
Update 3 can take all this and reput in the game tbh i would totally dig a spaceship giving us more lore and challenges heck new characters are confirmed to be not skin, that's promising
One thing that’s bothered me with Ouranos Island is that despite The End being released and planning to attack the Earth, the atmosphere of the Island doesn’t really convey that. It still feels tranquil despite being essentially on borrowed time. While I don’t expect the final island to be completely replaced in the final update, I hope that the final part of the story will at least be more fleshed out with the other characters playing a bigger role in the final act. Only time will tell.
Admittedly The End is still inside Supreme so it may very well have just been waiting to _let_ Sonic defeat Supreme. Or maybe it's just because the endgame was obviously rushed and things will probably be improved in Update 3
Honestly, i don't think that Sonic Team is going to fuse Kronos islan with Rhea and Ouranos island as how it was in the original iteration if the game, but i really think that the original fourth island (the ancients ship) is now going part of Ouraons. Still, there's no mention of the ancients ship in the leaked script, but we can always hope.
5:15 actually, i think we got a "hint" about the end, because if you listen to the dialogues the end says *I'm infinite* and if you remember, infinite is a character from sonic forces
The development of this game sure was a lot of Chaos on deck, I can tell. Currently, the timeline we have is that there were originally going to be 3 big islands, then 5 smaller islands(Funny thing being, people noticed that they shrunk down Ares to create less negative space between everything. A good change if you ask me) and then going back down to 4 because they couldn't do this "origin"-segment in time, so they just yeeted their already finished plattforming challenges and cutscenes onto the empty portion they still had from the earlier draft.(Tbh, the backstory-dump makes a lot more sense since I learned that we were originally going to explore the mothership instead of whatever Rhea was.) I'd be completely down for theorycrafting over a potential do-over to have the game's vision realized according to my own grand imagining of how it could play out, but It's still very much too early to get into that since they haven't fully stopped working on it yet. 0:11 Oi! 😭LW was fun.
Im looking really forward to update tree beacose it looks like oranous is gonna have all of the bosses in the other island. and it's gonna have better and harder puzzle. And it's gonna have 4 rhea towers (that i think you fight all of the titans with the ancient in it) and i think were gonna have a better supreme figh and an actual end figh. I hope the dlc is good so it dosn't make us remember that they scrapped one island
When you get see the concept art book for sonic frontiers the third island. Chaos island was showed that that was the island that the Titans and the majority of the robots came from but in the game he can barely tell because most of the structures are not there, because chaos island well they have so many gaps and not too much land, and I thought this island will be bigger due to the lava and consistently pouring out, making the island much more bigger. I have a feeling it may have been bigger than the rest of the islands. I think I would’ve wanted for the fourth island with a glacier theme, because it could be a cool that this different islands have different biomes. For the fifth island, it’s a big grassland, but sonic arrives on the island. He triggers a mechanism the grass disappeared. The trees are gone. All of this island is a Mila Kruk is metal and cyber energy, and this is where the robots come from, and the titans are built also as the mechanism is triggered the island to expand bigger than all the islands, combined, giving players in a chance to explore more Lore to cover and newer mini buses, upgrade it, stronger, deadly enemies and the Bossfight. Well, that Bossfight, I did not like it the hacking segment of the game is basically a majority of the Bossfight was not enjoyable I felt like what would’ve been a better Bossfight is if all the broken robot parts the Titans and the fifth island digitized and all that digitized cyber energy manifest into a Titan bigger than all of the other Titans. Combine giving sonic a much bigger foe this titan is powered by all seven chaos emeralds, which will make the titan more challenging and also get in the chaos emeralds much more harder. Yeah that’s all I have to say for sonic frontiers well, until the release of update 3 . Also, before I go, I wanna leave it with this SFP On blackest night you let the light of the moon guide you to the very thing you love you doing never give up don’t let anyone get in the way Have a nice day. Stay safe and enjoy life
I’d love to see them turn rhea into a previous inaccessible part on Kronos island itself and then have the original oursons be named rhea and then the world ship island be ouranos
Just have Sonic revisit Kronos, yeah. If Ouranos must exist, have the whole island be hidden within Cyberspace. Which would mesh with Eggman's "three piddly islands" line and also make sense because Supreme is there and The End is inside Supreme and supposedly also inside Cyberspace so it makes sense that with the people having evacuated to what would become the Emerald Altar, that they would go that far
i think divide the progression of kronos island was great, when taking lot of stuff in consideration like, beta testers said the island was too big, and being just grass makes you to be tired of the scene so fast... but literally split the island was dumb... rhea and ouranos should be just the same island.. just with an unique "prologue" to give a conclusion of the cybercorruption before start the regular progression of the island... and then after that, yeah... the final island... although being the ancient ship? idk... i dont see that being enough for an open world, idk.. (could be intended more like a new side mission, or just a platform challenge (like the one in ares island for the yellow emerald, or the one for the white emerald in chaos island... still yeah a new island is needed.. i doubt the dlc would give us that... or at least for the end after ouranos... (i have enough hope to have like a cyberspace themed island for the playable characters to play there and have some kind of history like "we need to do this, to keep sonic corruption controlled.) and thats it. (this is my personal theory of Update 3) in any case idc about the ending being kronos 2... if at least for the update 3 they give us a proper the end boss fight, with some different phases, or completly change it to be a proper team up between Super Sonic and Supreme... (like gaia colossus in Sonic Unleashed bruh)
I really have hope with update 3 supposedly revamping Ouranos although I haven't looked into the datamine leaks that much since I don't want spoiled (Seriously how to you manage to accidentally leave the entire script for the story update in the files)
4:20 minor correction, Chaos is the name of a Greek God. Chaos is the firsy God/original state of the universe from which all the other Gods and the world were shaped by/formed from.
4:22 no your actually correct at first, Chaos IS in Greek Mythology en.wikipedia org/wiki/Chaos_(cosmogony) "Chaos is the mythological void state preceding the creation of the universe (the cosmos) in Greek creation myths. In Christian theology, the same term is used to refer to the gap or the abyss created by the separation of heaven and earth." "It may also mean space, the expanse of air, the nether abyss or infinite darkness." So it makes perfect sense with that island being the "creation" of tech to "Destroy" Which would be a form of Chaos would it not? I been doing research on Alchemy and Mythology for some Zelda theories so the moment you said that something clicked in my brains so thank you for that (zelda theory related) and of course you are 100% correct before you said that "except for Chaos" cuz its TOTALLY related! NICE FIND MAN!!!
I thought of something probably obvious but when they mentioned New Story I first assumed it what like post game or something. But the more I think about I think this is meant to replace the original, the director keep saying there going to change the ending and the snippets of the story in the files seem to take place at the same time as Sonic’s. So it could be another Story or a New Story that fixes the issues of the Original.
so the bosses are based on the guardians on the island before like wyvern was based on squid knight was based on the thing u bounce off the laser fences and the end is based on the hacking computer thing idk what supreme is based on
Oh that’s a spaceship in the thumbnail! I thought that was like a small part of a long winding path in a dark, glitchy cyber void. No floor, no plains, no top, no bottom, no bitches. Just endless, winding interconnected road for a supersonic hedgehog to run around.
i do kinda want to say this, everything in this is right, tho i recall from twitter and steam, that one of the main people to work on the game and the supreme boss had more in store for it, but sega did say that we will have 3 free dlcs extensions, whatever it is, we already got two and the last one is to be stories for tails knuckles and amy, and even a extra story with sage, so maybe the actually final island can still be used
Update 3 things got leaked and (spoiler ahead) cyber sonic is hinted to be the final form for sonic frontiers, you can play as Amy knuckles and tails, and it was stated that there is going ti be a fox for the repetitiveness of Ouranos so maybe space as final island??
I think the original idea of the 3 islands being one big island is in the files of the switch version? Saw a video of a while back of the whole island being explored and it looked very finished with lots of rails to move around.
oof...that's rough that sonic team didn't have the time to use that fourth island bummer..i don't blame them at this point..it seems the game was rushed but not in a way that that game itself was rushed and felt fundamentally unfinished or anything i think the game was finished this time the game was rushed because they didn't have enough time to put the content and vision they had for this game 5:14 and about the about the end he doesn't need to have a complicated backstory or motivation for why he's evil the end is just an evil cosmic being that destroy everything in it's path and this concept of a villains on paper sounds really good and they narratively executed this very well in frontiers sonic team quite took some suprisings step here for the story of the game. plus this isn't something new we had these kind of villains with this concept before that made them so unique as a villain just like the end well narratively atleast not really fan of the end's design though let me give you some examples: 1.bill cipher from gravity falls he is a chaotic being that spread that simply was evil and manipulative in the beginning he destroyed his home dimension the second dimension due to how simple that dimension was and conquered the nightmare realm and wanted to consume the multiverse with his chaotic powers and weirdness...and people aka the fan of gravity falls series aka myself they love this villain and made him a perfect villain! 2. invictus from final space another evil cosmic being who sealed in the final space dimension but his power slowly corrupting the universe and also mind controlled the titans of the universe wo brought balance to the universe and also very manipualtive aswell and the fans of the final space series also love this villain aswell and made invictus such and intresting and unique villain aswell. 3.even my little pony has that concept too! remeber discord the draconequus the spirit of chaos and disharmony who's goal was spread weirdness and chaos across equestria but got defeated by princess luna and celestia but returned after 1000 years later and that alone made him such an intresting villain with an intresting personality and had a charm too until in season 3 he got reformed and got a character development.. you see what i mean right now and ironically the end follow that concept aswell.. a powerful cosmic being that can destroy dimensions?checked sadistic and ruthless and has no mercy to anyone?checked quite manipualitive and decieved and misguided sonic and tricked him to free him form cyberspace to get unleashed and destroy everything in it's path? checked the end in terms of narrative is a brillaint villain in terms of desgin yeah..that's kind of a let down.
Spoiler: The story leaks for update 3 said about cyber sonic being in the story, the end being revamped, and many other things, meaning we will get more details in update 3
There’s also a bunch of unused random and idling voice lines of Sonic straining through the cyber corruption. They’re quite concerning, but they show that the game initially wanted to go way harder on how badly Sonic was deteriorating over the game.
I love Frontiers but I remember looking at the reveals and thinking: "This is literally the 'SEGA HIRE THIS MAN' shit where Sonic runs around an empty UE4 test map and everyone loses their fuckin' minds." It still kinda has that look and I think varying up the style would've helped that a little bit. 3 islands are not only LITERALLY the same island, but even in their separated state they're still basically the same island thematically.
Imo, if what it took to get the one ideas they had back in was via paid dlc. I’d pay for it assuming some of those ideas won’t be added back in with dlc3. Cause I wanna see what they had invisoned behind the scenes since it sounded like it would’ve been really fascinating.
cyber sonic would have been an amazing way to reintroduce dark sonic, imo. seriously, that would have been the most genius conclusion to the cyber corruption shtick
I have 2 theory's about the unused 4th Island and Supreme. 1. I think Supreme is the first boss of a boss trial, the Titans are upgraded in the white bodys like the enemies in Oranous. 2. Maybe the unused Island is a much more hellish then Chaos.
although chaos is not a greek god, it is the mythological void state preceding the creation of the universe in greek mythology, so chaos island does still fits in with the naming convention of all the other islands.
Will we ever get a Sonic Team game that ISN'T rushed? Here's hoping some of the cut content will be released in the final free update. And...maybe the new playable characters will be functional and fun to play as. It's free, so we can't really complain much, but...
Who knows? Maybe we’ll get something about it the 3rd DLC wave. Or since we still have a few questions about the games story, they could do the fourth island in the next game and have an overarching plot like Kirby games do.
I’m not going to lie, I’m glad they split the island up into three, because beta Kronos would’ve been WAY too big. Also, I can’t wait to see how Update 3 fixes the finale and I can’t to see if it adds any levels/islands
I feel like at the very least Rhea shouldn't count as a seperate island when it is _visibly_ still just north Kronos. Just have the towers rise and Sonic revisit Kronos
I was super disappointed by the ending of the game. After how fixated I got on the rising action, and the characters all opening up to Sonic, I was certain there would be something big happening in the fallout. It’s a shame to see that even after two extended deadlines, the game was still somehow rushed. Is SEGA short-staffed? Or is it the opposite and multiple producers’ inabilities to agree caused a simplified ending?
Stupid theory; Ouranos Island is connected to Angel Island. Why? With the name of the descriptions for both islands they have a sky theme. AND the fact that Knuckles found a portal there, it could have been an Island the echidna tribe took over/evolved there and claimed as their own. Hell, that could possibly explain the mural found in hidden palace. If the ancients made the mural, it would make sense too! They *are* relatives of chaos, and they brought the chaos emeralds with them. It would make sense that they use their technology on Angel Island, and thrive a bit off there. Perhaps the ones living there have mutated into chao and after what happened in sa1, chaos has mutated back into it's pure form and use the gems their relatives have brought with them as vengeance? It does seem to line up if you think about it.
Actually the Ancient's technology being in Angel Island is for a completely different reason, in one of the visions in Rhea Island The Ancients were discussing that if their plan to use the Titans to defeat The End failled they would take the Chaos Emeralds back to the bigger one that drew them near Earth aka The Msater Emerald (and yes The Game Apologist i said the E word and Mobius is an mid name it makes me think of Morbius 💀).
I am disappointed at all the cut content, because when the first gameplay was shown, the fans asked SEGA to delay the game, and the response was "we don't plan to delay the game any longer." They made the conscious choice to throw out all the stuff that could have made the story one of the best in Sonic history. Frontiers was my favorite Sonic game released after Heroes, and it sucks that it could have been so much greater if they didn't *choose* to rush the game everyone was begging them to delay.
Nah y’all are tripping about the end of the game. It was still great despite Supreme and The End, and Ouranos being grassy really isn’t that big of a deal. Yeah sure Supreme was a bit buggy but he was still a pretty good boss fight even if he was a reskinned Giganto. Also about The End, if you listen to what it says during its boss fight you get to know a lot more about its backstory and what happened to it. And anyway we already know quite a bit of its backstory with the Ancients through those cutscenes it showed us of them battling The End with the Titans. And yeah sure maybe it does seem pretty sudden at first but if you think about it it’s not really that sudden since that has been the voice that’s been talking to us since the beginning of the game. Also about the Ancients, if you listen to Eggman’s memos you get to know a lot more about them and their lore and backstory.
Ouranos being grassy was underwhelming for a last stage. I mean, Sonic Adventure 1 was an epic fight in a flooded city, Sonic Adventure 2 took us to a Space Station, Sonic 06 was the literal end of the world and happened in a space-time rift... Next to all these, the final stage and boss of Frontiers feel unimaginative. Not to mention it was way too similar to what was already seen in that game. It was extremely easy to have a different vibes for Ouranos. A mod that gave it autumn vibes quickly appeared, and it was enough to make it feel different than the first island.
Man they could've used this game as an excuse to bring back Hyper Sonic to fight The End. The crew could've sought out the Emeralds one more time, use the cyberspace portals to go to Angel Island and use the chaos Emeralds with the master emerald and then be able use the Super Emeralds to fight the corruption and bring back Hyper to fight The End.
but that's just a theory... a ga- nah nevermind
matpat explaining frontiers lore
in under 1 minute
a gay theory
Was this found after or before update 2 because if it’s after then maybe it’s intended for the 3rd update since we do already have what I think is a story script and character animations for Amy knuckles and tails in the files maybe it a similar case here but as you said it’s just a theory a game theory!? 😄🤔
Ahhh I’ve always wondered why no one covered this but. Sonic was genuine butchered when he was announced on switch. I guarantee you there’s a full version of this somewhere that had to be cut in to work on the switch and then streamline with the rest of the consoles and pc
When switch does die. We can finally embrace the new generation
I didn’t mind Ouranos being grassy again, though I think an autumn theme could have made it more unique
Or snow, one way or another.
Or a purple forest
I honestly like Ouranos's flowery landscape and cloudy skies, it gives a sort of nice contrast. Of course i wish there was a bit more going on but hey, me personally, im fine with what i got since im big on scenery in video games.
Dude that concept for an island would look pretty
There's even an small island that is orange, the tree and the grass (in ouranos) if i remember right
Minor correction: Chaos, despite being.... Quite the sonic staple at this point, IS part of greek mythology and is essentially the original entity of greek mythology, even creating those that came the primordial deities such as Nyx and Erebus. That could represent the original plan to have it be where the factory of titans was held!
OHHHHHH that's interesting but I just assumed it was called Chaos because y'know, volcanoes cause chaos and destruction
Personally I thought it WAS supposed to be Chaos, as Eggman literally calls him the god of destruction and Chaos was a important part of Tails' story in sonic adventure.
@@portervilleplayerkids3529Not to mention how the ancients look like too.
@@SFproductions1 On that note
Uranus and Reha are also linked to Kronos as the former his is father (that he overthrow to become king of the cosmos) while the latter was his wife.
So what might be why these cut of segments of Kronos were named that.
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Something to note is that the Ouranos portion of the early Kronos map is actually a bit smaller than the final Ouranos Island. If you compare the islands´ sillouetes you´ll see that the final Ouranos overlaps some of Rhea Island. My theory is that they focused on expanding Ouranos during the final development cicles, which is probably why there´s no remains of this original final island.
(If it even existed in the first place since Eggman only mentions three islands on his memos, so there´s also the chance that we were simply meant to return to Kronos for the games finale.)
Or maybe the original fourth island was a "surprise island" if you know what i mean
It’s not just that they overlap
On some parts of Kronos you can just straight up see Ouranos
Kronos, Rhea, and Ouranos are all the same island.
@@fluffydragon1525 He meant that final Ouranos is bigger than the version which was a piece of Kronos from the leaked map, so if you put them back together it now overlaps Rhea.
Plus while Rhea and Kronos are still one model in the final game, Ouranos was cut out entirely and thus can't be seen from Kronos, at least I'm pretty sure it can't.
@@fluffydragon1525 that's rhea
@@fluffydragon1525 correction: rhea is connected to kronos *on rhea and kronos's map you can see their connected*, not to mention you go through gigantos area to get to a tower, not to mention you can litterally see kronos in rhea
When it comes to the final two islands, Kronos wasn't just cut because of time, but mainly due to Playtesters.
They said that it was boring and not fun. So the developers decided to split them up to help make the first island be filled up more and to help with pacing and getting the player familiar with the gameplay loop. As for what this 4th island could be, i think it just was Ouranos but probably with more intresting architecture to explore, like the ship. From the dialogue, we know their world ship is busted as Sage refers to it as all that is left. With the new content Update 3 is adding, we know that Ouranos will be given a new object layout and a better ending.
I don't beleive there was a proper 4th original island, as we have nothing concrete regarding what it could have looked like, all we really know is there was a cut space ship, and that's it really lol.
Which what Update 3 brings, i think Ouranos will be given the upgrade it needs, sadly i doubt they'll change the visual look of it, tho
Well we also have to remember that back when the playtesters played frontiers, there were absolutely no platforming challenges in the open zone. There were only enemies and guardians
Well, it was internally refered to as belonging to "level4", meaning it was unique enough to be called as such. Ouranos is still internally refered to as "Level1" because it is an extended version of a part of the original Kronos.
@@SFproductions1I really hope in a sequel the platforming is more integrated into the environment, so they wouldn't have to add challenges on top of it and it wouldn't look and feel so cluttered.
In the kronos beta shot that we have(the part where sonic jumps), there is a place in the right that in the original game simply doesn't exist. Maybe that is were the ship was located? Evidence shows that maybe we were going to return to the first island and unlock the final area. In the egg memos Eggman mentions the islands, but he says "in these 3 islands" or something like that, so it maybe points that the ship maybe crashed on an island. Who knows! I love seeing more of the lore of this game. Love the video!!
Thank you! And yes, I also saw the beta footage and noticed that there was some kind of structure thing off to the right.
If you're talking about that first shot showing a lot of Ouranos, on the right past the tower that's thick fog covering Giganto. It's also where Supreme is in the final game. It would've been cool if the pyramid temple thing had some sort of teleporter to the ship instead of a chaos emerald though.
I think the game was originally only going to be Kronos, Ares and Chaos island, with the first being the massive combination of Kronos, Rhea and Ouranos that everyone knows about.
Kishimoto said that Kronos was split up because playtesters thought it was too big and empty, so they opted to have a smaller island with more in it.
And even in the final game, Eggman himself mentions this. He talks about why the ancients didn’t rule the world “outside these *three* piddly islands”. However it’s possible that the mothership could’ve acted as a 4th “island” that the original final boss would’ve taken place on
Ares and Chaos didn't exist when Kronos, Rhea, and Ouranos were all just one island. Playtesters complained that Kronos was too big, but they also complained that the game was visually stale, being all grass all the time, and that's because Ares and Chaos didn't exist. They were made to add variety to the game. Also, in the memos, Eggman might not have known about Ouranos, since his tech isn't seen there like it is in the other islands.
Seems like the play testers were too casual and ruined a better Sonic game
@@ZeroSolarisDXL nah, when Kronos, Rhea, and Ouranos were all one island, Ares and Chaos didn't exist. Playtesters didn't enjoy the overly-big and visualy same-y game, so it was split up and new islands were created. The game we have now is likely much better than what we could've gotten
I agree with the playtesters, but it is still a shame about the Chaos-factory that if I had to guess was cut to keep that island smaller. What I don't get is that appearently the game was more challenging originally and that was also removed. That has nothing to do with the size of the island or the pacing, so what happened over there?
@@lpfan4491 The play testers found some of the level design and most of guardians to be too difficult.
I think people found code CONFIRMING that there was gonna be original 4th island
Need just need to add a dark color on the island not difficult to do
Or 5th island
@@VicoX-u9m It would be a Fourth Island, this was way before Ouranos became the fourth island.
Source?
What a nice profile picture
It was a good time to put this video out because everyone was having fun with update 2 especially the spin dash. Man it’s cool to see Sega true potential if they give this game more time in production.
I hope update 3 is huge because there’s a lot of questions goes unanswered. And alot of feedback and promises from the developers is in the right hand that will give sonic frontiers a higher score.
With the New Story part of Update 3, and the characters featured, I do hope it is more a retelling of that 'power of friendship' bit so the other characters actually do something to cure Sonic, and a proper ending to the game, too. Personally, I would love it if the three characters rode up next to Super Sonic and Supreme Sage in the Titans that were featured in their islands and have a proper 5 V 1 boss battle against The End
Actually if you see the beta verison of kronos it has rhea & Ouranos included but theres floating structures in the sky so that could be the ships.
Great video! Morio Kishimoto has said on Twitter that Ouranos will see an overhaul along with the story additions, so perhaps we'll see some remains of the Ancient's worldship in there? I'm looking forward to seeing what will change.
Thank you!
at this point i honestly hope we get a complete sequel to frontiers that allows the cut ideas from the game to be fully realised
That's a very restrictive wish. A sequel should be completely brand new.
@@akdreamer6497it depends,3&K used a good chunk of unused stuff from 2.
honestly even though ouranos is just kronos 3, i actually think its the best island in the game for me, its somehow prettier, larger, better island theme and the cyberspace levels go hard
though if they are able to for update 3, id love to see them create new textures for ouranos that changes the island's overall theming, whether it be autumn or winter, id love to see some new theming if they have the time to do so
Oh yeah for sure. Ouranos is definitely my favorite island and the fact that they might be expanding upon it is very exciting
Hopefully Sega will see the success of Frontiers and gives Sonic Team more money and even more time to work on the next game.
Also hot take, I didn't mind The End fight, as bare bones and underwhelming as it was. Thought it was a cool representation of Sage's character development with switching from dark to light shots. And the music is cool, parts of it remind me of the main theme of the Ori games.
ori and sonic is the coolest crossover I can think of
Same, as someone who played Undertale this boss fight reminded me of it and I absolutely loved it, especially with The End's monologue
@@the_blue_jay_raptor Heck yeah! Makes me think a Sonic Metroidvania would be cool.
I really liked the last two islands still, but lack of a "Cyber Sonic" is in my opinion the biggest missed potential with Frontiers. After using Super Sonic throughout the whole game, it only made sense to me to have a new shiny form to make the endgame stand out more.
I think in my ideal Frontiers, without adding substantial content, I would change it like this: Rhea Island takes place after Ouranos, and after fighting Supreme. Super Sonic gets shot down by a last-ditch attack from Supreme, and the emeralds scatter to each of the towers. After each tower you actually feel the effects of the corruption, with movement speed getting gradually slower and more sluggish, until the last tower, in which he goes into the cataconic state seen in the game. The same cutscene happens up until before his friends use the power of friendship, and instead, that's when Sage tells Eggman he NEEDS to help him. Eggman brings the gang the last emerald, and in a Sonic 06-esque scene, they use the power of the emeralds to bring Sonic back. However, he doesn't go Super; similarly to Perfect Chaos and Super Sonic utilizing the negative and positive energy of the emeralds respectively, the emeralds temporarily absorb cyber corruption whilst reviving Sonic, and he becomes Cyber Sonic - a Dark Sonic adjacent form with blank white eyes, quills on end, and constantly flashing with cyber energy - to which he and Sage take on The End.
Even just writing this makes me sad 😭
i have only one thing to say
final horizon
One thing I was really thinking would happen. Is that Eggman would be one of Sonic's "friends" that he had to help.
I wonder of that was planned at some point.
A chance for Sonic and Eggman to talk besides banter
one thing that sucks was that line where sonic was saying “they took your homes they took your lives” that was meant to be sonic talking the ancients to get their power and become hyper sonic
Nah he was probably just trying to get the titans to help him in the fight pretty sure they wouldn't have brought back hyper sonic
@@cascade969 ian flynn said in an interview he did pitch the idea but sega said no
@@alyx9191A final boss with hyper sonic would be really awesome ngl but they'd have to make it insanely epic for it to work
@@alyx9191Instead of Hyper Sonic, now we are going to receive Cyber Sonyc GG
He pitched the idea, but that isn't what the dialogue we got was meant to be about.
I actually wanna believe that Supreme is just a prototype of a Titan, maybe Giganto was the one that was the new one? And Supreme got attacked by The End, no wonder why he/she has lower health than the others.
Wow makes sense I mean you would aim for the weakest of your enemy’s strongest troops to take control of so that you can upgrade it and be even stronger.
@@agrilsunil1I mean the pilot of Supreme intentionally _wanted_ to trap The End in their Titan, mind.
I'll grant you the part about The End possibly damaging it, though hopefully Update 3 will help make it better anyways
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@@LD-service "no wonder why he/she has lower health" as all of the titans as well as the end are entirely genderless
it would have been really interesting to see a section of the game comprised of the ships the ancients rode to the planet in
perhaps if they were activated to take flight and rise above the islands at some point in the story a few of them could've been buried across the islands and taken chunks of each island's terrain atop their roofs with them into the skies allowing for a mix of the previous islands alongside the interiors of the ships or whatever would've been in store for such a place
I always thought to myself " How did Sonic get from Rhea Island to Ouranos Island?" Because Sonic made it from one island to another by turning into Super Sonic and flying to the next island. If Kronos, Rhea and Ouranos were connected, it would explain how he got to Ouranos from Rhea, but since they aren't connected in the final game, and Eggman and Sage already left before Sonic, how exactly did Sonic get from Rhea to Ouranos?
Even if they don't make Kronos huge, I still would like them to reconnect ouranos for this reason
My head canon is that the three are very, _very_ close together, so much so they probably were a single island at some point. Sonic then found a place he could jump from one island to another.
Just a headcanon, though.
You know how the original ending with The End when it says that you'd use the Titans alongside Sage piloting Supreme?
I wonder if instead of destroying the Titans: Giganto, Wyvern, and Knight, each of Sonic's friends might've had used their cyber forms and helped pilot the other Titans after releasing them from The End's influence and fighting against it?
One thing is to make an image that presents an idea and the other is to implement it, the concept art in most games will always have a concept art superior to the final product, just look at the concept art of the birch forest that Mojang showed which deceived the whole community
As for the ship's discarded mission it seems to be an early idea but it would have been interesting
In my opinion it would have been a great idea that the mission of rhea was done in Ouranos with the open world for Sonic's friends with everyone looking for the emeralds to free Sonic with a cinematic of Sonic in his consciousness having visions and voices that warn him of the last Titan and so when he has been freed it is his turn to end this...
Kishimoto confirmed Ouranos would be getting a overhaul
It would’ve been neat if Ouranos would’ve been the world ship AND the end, as in the end was inside the world ship and you release it by bypassing chaos emerald aided security systems, the entire time the end speaks to you, but also challenges you, it WOULD explain anything like enemies, structures, map challenges, and I can support that more, I’ve noticed after update 2, while playing around I would get random voice lines, the end telling me to use the island and everything on it despite the fact I beat the game several times, sonic strangely mourning Tails on Chaos, saying something along the lines of, “[deep sigh] I wish Tails were here to see this.” and other things along those lines
Oh yeah, someone actually leaked the script for the final update of frontiers. Also, the spin dash was found in update 1 and made into update 2, so there is a possibility that the unused things could come to update 3.
I hope it’s all of the unused stuff
5:30 Yeah, part of me thinks Sonic Team wanted to add more but they couldn’t due to SEGA putting a tighter budget and/or deadlines to the point that they realised they couldn’t get to where they wanted it. I digress, though.
that "damn" at 1:58 has to be the best use and annotation of the word I have ever heard.
Interesting video. There’s definitely all of these possibilities. 6:09 Also, nice contest photo 👀lol
Lmao yeah I was literally recording footage for this video as Shaulov sent out the tweet
Thing about Chaos
Chaos is a predominant Theme through mythologies and is usally depicted as the 'birth' place of the world
Chaos Island is a Volcano, Skilling out Lava. Which makes more land and it has happed that a Volcano can erupt in the middle of the Ocean and just make a new Island
Thanks for crediting me for my effort looking through audio files!
Of course!
Remember this game had the longest development time of any Sonic game at this point. Yet there was still so much cut out of it. I think there was some conflicts in story behind the curtains. It could be that Ian Flynn WANTED to do the world ship story but maybe there was just to much that needed to be done on top of them needed to fine tune a all new gameplay style that as of now with the major updates, is still a little rough.
I would not be all to shocked to hear about a "sequel" to Sonic Frontiers that can go more into the Ancients, how they relate to the Chao and Echidna tribes, as well as what The End actually was and it's reason for destruction. There is just so much left unanswered like, why did the Ancients have the Chaos Emeralds but yet the Master Emerald was on Sonic's World/Earth? Why NOW did the Chaos Emeralds react to the Islands? Is there more Islands out there that could have more ruins from the Ancient's?
Oh man the ancient worldship would have been so much cooler... and a Cyber Sonic form would have been doooope.
1:13 I remember thinking of alternative ideas, like a visual/story rewrite.
Kronos Island Revision: Fog should've been a prominent feature, showcasing how mysterious the Starfall Islands are. The Ancient structures used for platforming should also have moss growing.
Ares Island Revision: I don't like how the higher areas are so difficult to even find ways to get up there. Not a fan of the blank, desert wasteland aesthetic either. In BotW, Gerudo Desert does the idea much better with the more considerate landscape instead of cliffsides and the more... technicolor look. Artificial structures should be sand blasted. At the very least I'd want something akin to that one beach photo with spirally sand structures.
Chaos Island: The Chemical Ponds should've been more prominent, as should the whole Freeze Flame Galaxy thing it has with the volcano and ice.
Rhea Island: Honestly? Just take all the leaves away. Portray a dead forest to fit the depressing tone.
Ouranos Island: Maybe have some unconventional ancient structures, using the Earth's resources instead of what they brought with them. Also when the name leaked, part of me hoped Ouranos (which is sky related) was the Ancients' name for Angel Island.
Update 3 can take all this and reput in the game tbh
i would totally dig a spaceship giving us more lore and challenges
heck new characters are confirmed to be not skin, that's promising
One thing that’s bothered me with Ouranos Island is that despite The End being released and planning to attack the Earth, the atmosphere of the Island doesn’t really convey that. It still feels tranquil despite being essentially on borrowed time. While I don’t expect the final island to be completely replaced in the final update, I hope that the final part of the story will at least be more fleshed out with the other characters playing a bigger role in the final act. Only time will tell.
Admittedly The End is still inside Supreme so it may very well have just been waiting to _let_ Sonic defeat Supreme.
Or maybe it's just because the endgame was obviously rushed and things will probably be improved in Update 3
Honestly, i don't think that Sonic Team is going to fuse Kronos islan with Rhea and Ouranos island as how it was in the original iteration if the game, but i really think that the original fourth island (the ancients ship) is now going part of Ouraons. Still, there's no mention of the ancients ship in the leaked script, but we can always hope.
We got the final horizon
5:15 actually, i think we got a "hint" about the end, because if you listen to the dialogues the end says *I'm infinite* and if you remember, infinite is a character from sonic forces
Update 3 is definitely going to fix the ending, and the “power of friendship” part. Can’t believe no one has thought this yet
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@@SFproductions1You just noticed? Bruh
@@lazyvoid7107 no I didn't just notice lmao. I made a whole video when the leaks dropped
The development of this game sure was a lot of Chaos on deck, I can tell. Currently, the timeline we have is that there were originally going to be 3 big islands, then 5 smaller islands(Funny thing being, people noticed that they shrunk down Ares to create less negative space between everything. A good change if you ask me) and then going back down to 4 because they couldn't do this "origin"-segment in time, so they just yeeted their already finished plattforming challenges and cutscenes onto the empty portion they still had from the earlier draft.(Tbh, the backstory-dump makes a lot more sense since I learned that we were originally going to explore the mothership instead of whatever Rhea was.)
I'd be completely down for theorycrafting over a potential do-over to have the game's vision realized according to my own grand imagining of how it could play out, but It's still very much too early to get into that since they haven't fully stopped working on it yet.
0:11 Oi! 😭LW was fun.
I love lost world
Im looking really forward to update tree beacose it looks like oranous is gonna have all of the bosses in the other island. and it's gonna have better and harder puzzle. And it's gonna have 4 rhea towers (that i think you fight all of the titans with the ancient in it) and i think were gonna have a better supreme figh and an actual end figh.
I hope the dlc is good so it dosn't make us remember that they scrapped one island
I compiled all Sonic Rangers 4chan leaks over the years and some of them claimed the final Open Zone was set in space.
Do you have a link or something? I would like to take a look to see what they said lol
When you get see the concept art book for sonic frontiers the third island. Chaos island was showed that that was the island that the Titans and the majority of the robots came from but in the game he can barely tell because most of the structures are not there, because chaos island well they have so many gaps and not too much land, and I thought this island will be bigger due to the lava and consistently pouring out, making the island much more bigger. I have a feeling it may have been bigger than the rest of the islands. I think I would’ve wanted for the fourth island with a glacier theme, because it could be a cool that this different islands have different biomes. For the fifth island, it’s a big grassland, but sonic arrives on the island. He triggers a mechanism the grass disappeared. The trees are gone. All of this island is a Mila Kruk is metal and cyber energy, and this is where the robots come from, and the titans are built also as the mechanism is triggered the island to expand bigger than all the islands, combined, giving players in a chance to explore more Lore to cover and newer mini buses, upgrade it, stronger, deadly enemies and the Bossfight. Well, that Bossfight, I did not like it the hacking segment of the game is basically a majority of the Bossfight was not enjoyable I felt like what would’ve been a better Bossfight is if all the broken robot parts the Titans and the fifth island digitized and all that digitized cyber energy manifest into a Titan bigger than all of the other Titans. Combine giving sonic a much bigger foe this titan is powered by all seven chaos emeralds, which will make the titan more challenging and also get in the chaos emeralds much more harder. Yeah that’s all I have to say for sonic frontiers well, until the release of update 3 . Also, before I go, I wanna leave it with this SFP On blackest night you let the light of the moon guide you to the very thing you love you doing never give up don’t let anyone get in the way Have a nice day. Stay safe and enjoy life
You too my friend
Don't expect that sega do this it is to much for them to handle
I’d love to see them turn rhea into a previous inaccessible part on Kronos island itself and then have the original oursons be named rhea and then the world ship island be ouranos
Just have Sonic revisit Kronos, yeah. If Ouranos must exist, have the whole island be hidden within Cyberspace. Which would mesh with Eggman's "three piddly islands" line and also make sense because Supreme is there and The End is inside Supreme and supposedly also inside Cyberspace so it makes sense that with the people having evacuated to what would become the Emerald Altar, that they would go that far
@@brolytriplethreat being in cyberspace is a really cool idea
I literally call Supreme, "Giganto's Dad?!" as soon as I seen him.
i think divide the progression of kronos island was great, when taking lot of stuff in consideration like, beta testers said the island was too big, and being just grass makes you to be tired of the scene so fast...
but literally split the island was dumb... rhea and ouranos should be just the same island.. just with an unique "prologue" to give a conclusion of the cybercorruption before start the regular progression of the island...
and then after that, yeah... the final island... although being the ancient ship? idk... i dont see that being enough for an open world, idk.. (could be intended more like a new side mission, or just a platform challenge (like the one in ares island for the yellow emerald, or the one for the white emerald in chaos island...
still yeah a new island is needed.. i doubt the dlc would give us that... or at least for the end after ouranos... (i have enough hope to have like a cyberspace themed island for the playable characters to play there and have some kind of history like "we need to do this, to keep sonic corruption controlled.) and thats it. (this is my personal theory of Update 3)
in any case idc about the ending being kronos 2... if at least for the update 3 they give us a proper the end boss fight, with some different phases, or completly change it to be a proper team up between Super Sonic and Supreme... (like gaia colossus in Sonic Unleashed bruh)
I really have hope with update 3 supposedly revamping Ouranos although I haven't looked into the datamine leaks that much since I don't want spoiled (Seriously how to you manage to accidentally leave the entire script for the story update in the files)
4:20 minor correction, Chaos is the name of a Greek God. Chaos is the firsy God/original state of the universe from which all the other Gods and the world were shaped by/formed from.
4:22 no your actually correct at first, Chaos IS in Greek Mythology
en.wikipedia org/wiki/Chaos_(cosmogony)
"Chaos is the mythological void state preceding the creation of the universe (the cosmos) in Greek creation myths. In Christian theology, the same term is used to refer to the gap or the abyss created by the separation of heaven and earth."
"It may also mean space, the expanse of air, the nether abyss or infinite darkness."
So it makes perfect sense with that island being the "creation" of tech to "Destroy"
Which would be a form of Chaos would it not?
I been doing research on Alchemy and Mythology for some Zelda theories so the moment you said that something clicked in my brains so thank you for that (zelda theory related)
and of course you are 100% correct before you said that "except for Chaos" cuz its TOTALLY related! NICE FIND MAN!!!
I thought of something probably obvious but when they mentioned New Story I first assumed it what like post game or something. But the more I think about I think this is meant to replace the original, the director keep saying there going to change the ending and the snippets of the story in the files seem to take place at the same time as Sonic’s.
So it could be another Story or a New Story that fixes the issues of the Original.
My best hope is that update 3 will be available this September.
It's coming out September 28th!
so the bosses are based on the guardians on the island before like wyvern was based on squid knight was based on the thing u bounce off the laser fences and the end is based on the hacking computer thing idk what supreme is based on
Oh that’s a spaceship in the thumbnail! I thought that was like a small part of a long winding path in a dark, glitchy cyber void. No floor, no plains, no top, no bottom, no bitches. Just endless, winding interconnected road for a supersonic hedgehog to run around.
I wonder what the game would have been like if it released a year later.
Unfinished as hell I'll tell ya that
@@ominicronikal0902did you read the comment wrong?
I think it would be more polished and stuff.
When sage said that it doesn’t seem like it’s opening it seems like they were already in space which could be interesting
I can not confirm if this is your best video bc I haven't watched all of them yet (I will tell you if it is when I finish)
The fact that the finale boss was going to have HYPER SONIC, pisses me off so much you don’t even know
found you from nominal's post lmao
@@crossux that’s fair lol
Hyper sonic isn’t canon
@@DDDTJ that’s the thing, it is
i do kinda want to say this, everything in this is right, tho i recall from twitter and steam, that one of the main people to work on the game and the supreme boss had more in store for it, but sega did say that we will have 3 free dlcs extensions, whatever it is, we already got two and the last one is to be stories for tails knuckles and amy, and even a extra story with sage, so maybe the actually final island can still be used
It’s part of the upcoming “dlc” the road map is the free updates for more content on the game hence the NEW playable characters and NEW story
I think it COULD be like some sorta true unlockable after the final update with (hopefully) more story and playable characters.
I pray that all of this is added in update 3 🙏
Seeing the leaks of update 3 gives me hope that this unused island is getting in someway
I’m sure they will include it
5:58
No, not Sega, Sonic Team.
Update 3 things got leaked and (spoiler ahead) cyber sonic is hinted to be the final form for sonic frontiers, you can play as Amy knuckles and tails, and it was stated that there is going ti be a fox for the repetitiveness of Ouranos so maybe space as final island??
You might be right I saw a update 3 leak and it kinda matches with what u said
Chaos is the primordial form that the universe was in before the rise of the Titans & the Gods in mythology.
On the bright side, update 3 is going to fix all our problems with the ending
"True dat" - Tails
@@SFproductions1 oh god not that game
@@MrNeedleM0use I gotta play it later 😭😭
@@SFproductions1 man I feel bad for you lmao
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I think the original idea of the 3 islands being one big island is in the files of the switch version? Saw a video of a while back of the whole island being explored and it looked very finished with lots of rails to move around.
Yes it was found in the files of the ps4 version
@@SFproductions1 it looked pretty finished, sad that it was cut 😿
oof...that's rough that sonic team didn't have the time to use that fourth island bummer..i don't blame them at this point..it seems the game was rushed but not in a way that that game itself was rushed and felt fundamentally unfinished or anything i think the game was finished this time the game was rushed because they didn't have enough time to put the content and vision they had for this game
5:14 and about the about the end he doesn't need to have a complicated backstory or motivation for why he's evil the end is just an evil cosmic being that destroy everything in it's path and this concept of a villains on paper sounds really good and they narratively executed this very well in frontiers sonic team quite took some suprisings step here for the story of the game.
plus this isn't something new we had these kind of villains with this concept before that made them so unique as a villain just like the end well narratively atleast not really fan of the end's design though let me give you some examples:
1.bill cipher from gravity falls he is a chaotic being that spread that simply was evil and manipulative in the beginning he destroyed his home dimension the second dimension due to how simple that dimension was and conquered the nightmare realm and wanted to consume the multiverse with his chaotic powers and weirdness...and people aka the fan of gravity falls series aka myself they love this villain and made him a perfect villain!
2. invictus from final space another evil cosmic being who sealed in the final space dimension but his power slowly corrupting the universe and also mind controlled the titans of the universe wo brought balance to the universe and also very manipualtive aswell and the fans of the final space series also love this villain aswell and made invictus such and intresting and unique villain aswell.
3.even my little pony has that concept too! remeber discord the draconequus the spirit of chaos and disharmony who's goal was spread weirdness and chaos across equestria but got defeated by princess luna and celestia but returned after 1000 years later and that alone made him such an intresting villain with an intresting personality and had a charm too until in season 3 he got reformed and got a character development..
you see what i mean right now and ironically the end follow that concept aswell..
a powerful cosmic being that can destroy dimensions?checked
sadistic and ruthless and has no mercy to anyone?checked
quite manipualitive and decieved and misguided sonic and tricked him to free him form cyberspace to get unleashed and destroy everything in it's path? checked
the end in terms of narrative is a brillaint villain in terms of desgin yeah..that's kind of a let down.
Spoiler: The story leaks for update 3 said about cyber sonic being in the story, the end being revamped, and many other things, meaning we will get more details in update 3
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And characters having a skill tree is a lot
There’s also a bunch of unused random and idling voice lines of Sonic straining through the cyber corruption. They’re quite concerning, but they show that the game initially wanted to go way harder on how badly Sonic was deteriorating over the game.
I love Frontiers but I remember looking at the reveals and thinking: "This is literally the 'SEGA HIRE THIS MAN' shit where Sonic runs around an empty UE4 test map and everyone loses their fuckin' minds." It still kinda has that look and I think varying up the style would've helped that a little bit. 3 islands are not only LITERALLY the same island, but even in their separated state they're still basically the same island thematically.
Maybe that voice line is for update 3. They did say they are adding more story
Imo, if what it took to get the one ideas they had back in was via paid dlc. I’d pay for it assuming some of those ideas won’t be added back in with dlc3. Cause I wanna see what they had invisoned behind the scenes since it sounded like it would’ve been really fascinating.
cyber sonic would have been an amazing way to reintroduce dark sonic, imo. seriously, that would have been the most genius conclusion to the cyber corruption shtick
I have 2 theory's about the unused 4th Island and Supreme.
1. I think Supreme is the first boss of a boss trial, the Titans are upgraded in the white bodys like the enemies in Oranous.
2. Maybe the unused Island is a much more hellish then Chaos.
I'm glad they're overhauling the ending of Frontiers for Update 3.
although chaos is not a greek god, it is the mythological void state preceding the creation of the universe in greek mythology, so chaos island does still fits in with the naming convention of all the other islands.
Will we ever get a Sonic Team game that ISN'T rushed? Here's hoping some of the cut content will be released in the final free update. And...maybe the new playable characters will be functional and fun to play as. It's free, so we can't really complain much, but...
Chaos is thing in greek myth though, not a god mind you, but rather the void state that precedes the creation of the universe.
Who knows? Maybe we’ll get something about it the 3rd DLC wave. Or since we still have a few questions about the games story, they could do the fourth island in the next game and have an overarching plot like Kirby games do.
It will be big they gave characters a skill tree crazy
It is kind of sad because Ouranos had some cool looking spots but it because the same theme just killed it
WE HAVE PLAYABLE CHARACTERS AND A NEW STORY?! oh my go-
Update 3 babyyyy, last island is gonna get a revamp, HUZAHHH
Chaos is actually the first being of all creation in Greek myth
I’m not going to lie, I’m glad they split the island up into three, because beta Kronos would’ve been WAY too big. Also, I can’t wait to see how Update 3 fixes the finale and I can’t to see if it adds any levels/islands
I feel like at the very least Rhea shouldn't count as a seperate island when it is _visibly_ still just north Kronos. Just have the towers rise and Sonic revisit Kronos
@@brolytriplethreat Oh, for sure
I was super disappointed by the ending of the game. After how fixated I got on the rising action, and the characters all opening up to Sonic, I was certain there would be something big happening in the fallout. It’s a shame to see that even after two extended deadlines, the game was still somehow rushed. Is SEGA short-staffed? Or is it the opposite and multiple producers’ inabilities to agree caused a simplified ending?
They did more work separating ouranos from Kronos. They should’ve just changed the season colors and had rhea just be sonic returning to Kronos
Lore of Sonic Frontiers' Unused Island momentum 100
I really hope they expand upon the game and add some stuff that they didn’t get to add tbh
Every first level has grassy landscapes.
City Escape.
Westopolis
Tropical Resort
Emerald Coast even
@@SFproductions1 like the new pfp btw
@@BDSFormula1 thank you!
nah, i think maybe in the 3rd update dlc that may happen, we might see the airship.. maybe
I’ve never played till the end of the game before I guess waiting till update 3 for them to change the ending will be worth it
Stupid theory; Ouranos Island is connected to Angel Island. Why? With the name of the descriptions for both islands they have a sky theme. AND the fact that Knuckles found a portal there, it could have been an Island the echidna tribe took over/evolved there and claimed as their own. Hell, that could possibly explain the mural found in hidden palace.
If the ancients made the mural, it would make sense too! They *are* relatives of chaos, and they brought the chaos emeralds with them. It would make sense that they use their technology on Angel Island, and thrive a bit off there.
Perhaps the ones living there have mutated into chao and after what happened in sa1, chaos has mutated back into it's pure form and use the gems their relatives have brought with them as vengeance? It does seem to line up if you think about it.
Actually the Ancient's technology being in Angel Island is for a completely different reason, in one of the visions in Rhea Island The Ancients were discussing that if their plan to use the Titans to defeat The End failled they would take the Chaos Emeralds back to the bigger one that drew them near Earth aka The Msater Emerald (and yes The Game Apologist i said the E word and Mobius is an mid name it makes me think of Morbius 💀).
@@whocaresaboutthename6850 Somehow missed that, but it doesn't mean that some didn't retreat to angel island and thrived a while off there!
Now I wanna make a mod that revamps the last two islands plus the ending but I don't have the skills for that so
I am disappointed at all the cut content, because when the first gameplay was shown, the fans asked SEGA to delay the game, and the response was "we don't plan to delay the game any longer." They made the conscious choice to throw out all the stuff that could have made the story one of the best in Sonic history. Frontiers was my favorite Sonic game released after Heroes, and it sucks that it could have been so much greater if they didn't *choose* to rush the game everyone was begging them to delay.
Nah y’all are tripping about the end of the game. It was still great despite Supreme and The End, and Ouranos being grassy really isn’t that big of a deal. Yeah sure Supreme was a bit buggy but he was still a pretty good boss fight even if he was a reskinned Giganto. Also about The End, if you listen to what it says during its boss fight you get to know a lot more about its backstory and what happened to it. And anyway we already know quite a bit of its backstory with the Ancients through those cutscenes it showed us of them battling The End with the Titans. And yeah sure maybe it does seem pretty sudden at first but if you think about it it’s not really that sudden since that has been the voice that’s been talking to us since the beginning of the game.
Also about the Ancients, if you listen to Eggman’s memos you get to know a lot more about them and their lore and backstory.
Ouranos being grassy was underwhelming for a last stage. I mean, Sonic Adventure 1 was an epic fight in a flooded city, Sonic Adventure 2 took us to a Space Station, Sonic 06 was the literal end of the world and happened in a space-time rift...
Next to all these, the final stage and boss of Frontiers feel unimaginative.
Not to mention it was way too similar to what was already seen in that game. It was extremely easy to have a different vibes for Ouranos. A mod that gave it autumn vibes quickly appeared, and it was enough to make it feel different than the first island.
You know I wouldn’t minded the 4th island was like Kronos since it was quite original
Man they could've used this game as an excuse to bring back Hyper Sonic to fight The End. The crew could've sought out the Emeralds one more time, use the cyberspace portals to go to Angel Island and use the chaos Emeralds with the master emerald and then be able use the Super Emeralds to fight the corruption and bring back Hyper to fight The End.