How To Refurbish and Polish Silver (using a Lortone Tumbler)
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2015
- Jeweller Dave Wilson of www.celticdreams.co.uk/ shows us how to clean and polish a difficult silver object by using a tumbler and steel shot. He also demonstrates Eveflex pins, 3M Radial discs and Micromesh pads and other tools to bring the item back t its original condition.
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Great info. I came here to learn about tumblers and learn much more. Thanks.
You are welcome! Dave
Thank you for your informative and inspirational tutorial.
Glad it was helpful! Dave
That's what I mean Dave, you show something different, and different compounds too for polishing. Keep em' coming! ..Jimmy.
jim bettridge Thanks Jimmy. If you haven tried the Menzerna polish, its brilliant. I've totally replaced my Tripoli and rouge. Dave.
+Celtic Dreams Interesting fact; The Menzerna is the only polish certified for use by Rolex.
My jaw actually dropped when I saw the piece after the tumbler. I'm used to tumblers for raw gemstones, and such, but never for metal. I would have bet the farm that a handful of bearings and some nails could ever do that. I'm just so amazed...I'm going to get one, and start hitting the yard sales, and estate sales. Your videos are wonderful, again, thank you so much for sharing 💕
Once you get the recipe right, the results are amazing. I don't sell them, wasn't paid and I have nothing to prove, so the video is as you see it. It genuinely is a brilliant way to polish silver. NOTE.... for rock polishing you use barrels with smooth insides. The best barrels for jewellery have little fins or ridges inside to lift and move the shot. The only exception to this rule are these little Lortone barrels, as they are rubber and only small they can move the shot quite effectively. But Lortones new jewellery barrels do have ridges inside (and are noticeably more effective). The point is, you don't want large smooth barrels, as the the shot will just sit in the bottom. These are intended for rocks. Get a barrel with internal fins for polishing silver. Dave
Thanks, Dave. That was really useful. I'm new to silver and you've answered a load of questions. Thanks again.
+Lynne Jones ....Hi Lynne, thanks for taking the time to comment. Its nice to know I have encouraged you forward. Most of my knowledge is self taught through trial and error. It's now nice to share my experiences and insights. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to get in touch. Dave.
Love all the tips and tricks, well done
+Silverhaven Jewellery ....Thank you.. Dave.
Thank you for making this video, it has answered so many of my questions regarding the Lortone tumbler and how it should be used. I love watching your videos, one of my favorites is the Celtic chainmail full Persian cross. Kind of a fan girl thing to say, but I love your accent hahaha it’s very calming for me.
Thank you, as a child I was often teased for my deep voice, but its nice to hear loveley comments that people now appreciate it. Many thanks for your kind words , and for watching. Dave
great video dave, lots of really good tips!
+Beau st john ...thank you. I am pleased that you got a lot out of it. thanks for watching. Dave.
Very educational and informative video, thanks!
I am also a college lecturer. So yes, I enjoy explaining things. Thanks for watching. Dave.
Excellent video.Good couple of hours work there.Nice piece
Thanks. I made a good profit on it. so well worth the effort. thanks for watching. Dave
Thank you so much for the advise. Great job!
Thanks for watching. It took me a long time to get the tumbling just right, so there is some great advice here. Dave.
COOOOOL! Thanks for all your tips. So helpful!
You're welcome. I'm glad you got something useful from it. thanks for watching. Dave.
Thanks for sharing all these great tips! I'm just starting out, very excited :).
PS. That bird has great timing! ;)
+Samantha Davies ... I'm pleased to hear that you picking up some tips. Thanks for taking the time to say hi. Dave.
Thank you for your videos very much!!!
+hakobart2 You're very welcome. Thanks for watching. ; ) Dave.
Hi Dave, I liked your warm water tip. One other thing I do is to put something underneath the rubber barrel and push down on the barrel while I am putting on the lid. This pushes up on the bottom of the barrel making it concave. I use a small 3/4 by 2 inch round tin to push down on for my 6lb barrels. Maybe a big bolt or something similar would be good for the 3lb barrels. The bit of a vacuum inside the chamber this causes keeps the lid on better especially when the barrel is at capacity all night. Nothing worse than hearing the sound shot spilling out onto the floor in the middle of the night.
Thanks for sharing that. It's a great tip. Same effect, but a different way of achieving that vacuum. Thanks. Dave.
I enjoyed waching this video. It is incredable.
If you thought this was incredible check out my restoration of a gold ring.... Dave.
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great job!
+pagefour217 Thanks. Dave
hi Dave!
love all the videos and the great way you explain things.
pls, can you tell me on how you dispose barrelbrite liquid when you change the water in the barrel? they say its hazardous!
+Yaik Ho I just rinse my barrel and shot in the sink, using a sieve under the tap with lots of water. It's basically just soap powder. rather similar to what you put in your washing machine. As a dry powder you shouldn't inhale it. And it's mildly hazardous in respect that youshouldnt eat it. . But a teaspoon mixed with water in your tumbler will do no harm to your sink - it will actually help to clean and unblock it. Its no where near as bad a bleach or other chemicals we flush away daily.
See the link below for the official chemical composition and data sheet. but remember this is referring to the dry powder, not the resulting soapy water from your barrel. Dave.
www.hswalsh.com/sites/default/files/related_files/TB941%20-%20Barrelbrite.pdf
Any chance you could give a full product list Dave? I want to make sure I buy the right Menzerna polish.
Packaging has changed recently, but the codes are the same. I use Menzerna IP Intensive polish P164 Blue (actually a blue grey colour), then SF Super Finish P175 Yellow. Dave
Thank you so much for youre video!! They are helping me a lot!! So happy to have found them
Tumbling or barrelling, has a slight hardening affect on any metal. it's rathe like hammering it. you are slightly compressing the metal crystals together and hence making the wire more rigid. With a small tumbler the effect is subtle. Things like earring hooks, I will leave overnight. Aluminium is quite soft anyway, so you do need to consider this when making jewellery with aluminium, its not going to be as strong as other materials. Tumbling will help this. I appreciate you are worried about the colour coming of your aluminium. I tested some anodised aluminium sheets, and must say that even with a bench polisher, it was almost impossible to remove the colour. Anodised coatings are very tough. So a few hours in tumbler should not affect the surface, but may help to toughen up your jump rings a little. If in doubt, try a few in the tumbler and some identical ones without tumbling. See what the final finish looks like and how easily they bend afterwards. Check out my video below on aluminium... Dave.
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Thank you for youre answer. But if I make jump rings out of aliminum wire, would you put the jumprings first in the Tumbler or would you first make the chain and then put it in the Trumbler? and wich polisher pins would you use?
Firstly, I always tumble my rings prior to assembly. It allows the shot to get all round he rings, whereas parts may be obstructed once assembled. For anodised aluminium you don't want to risk scratching the surfaces so just use round shot and a generous spoonful of burnishing power to lubricate. Hope this helps. Dave.
Thank you so super much!!!
Hi, Dave. Can you please tell me what kind of solution do I need to use for gold jewelry cleaning in ultrasonic? Maybe you have a video or a link. Thank you!!
I simply use a drop of Fairy washing up liquid, (in USA Dawn Dish soap). I asked on a jewellery forum what other people use, and most do the same. You can buy special ultrasonic solutions which contain ammonia, this helps to remove tarnish grease and polish. But "hot" water and dish soap have always worked for me. Dave
Hi, i have a qeustion, how long should i tumble my curb/figaro chains to get that high gloss inside the links as well? I've left it for 2 hours, but the chains did not had that high gloss like they were new, should i leave it tumbling overnight?
I tumble overnight. perhaps even changing the water half way. You can also add "cutting powder" to the soap which gives it a little more polishing power. Hope this helps. Dave
www.cooksongold.com/Jewellery-Tools/Cutting-Powder-1kg-Un3253-prcode-998-005
@@CelticDreamsCoUk Ok i see! thank you!
I've found MANY clad coins while metal detecting. Would this clean and shine coins too?
Yes, It will clean them and (to some extent) polish them too. Silver and silver-clad come up very well. But with copper or bronze coins the tarnish is a chemical oxidisation of the copper. So Bronze coins usually need longer to get a good clean. Hope this helps. Dave
what is the name of the power that you are using. I am having trouble hearing it on my end. A burnishing powder? Where do you get it from?
Yes Burnishing Powder, Galley Soap, it has many names. This one is called "Barrelbrite" available in the UK from Cooksongold.com. Dave.
I’m making a full Persian chain with fine silver .999. Can you put FS in a tumbler with stainless shot or is there a better media to use with the FS? Thanks
Yes, I use a tumbler for my chains. it cleans and polishes, removed burs and also work hardens the rings to make them tougher. Best tool for the job ! Dave.
That's sure an interesting piece and the tumbler really does a great job! Perhaps this only applies to me, but I also used dish soap to get off greasy polishing compounds, until I discovered the soap tarnishes silver--if not removed immediately. Depending on the how aggressive the soap is, it can happen quickly. Now I use isopropyl alcohol., which seems to work--but no tarnishing.
I remove the greasy polish by using dish soap in my ultrasonic with hot water. Or sometimes just a toothbrush, dipped in dish soap under the hot tap. The point is you need the heat and to melt the grease and the soap to remove it. In the tumbler i use the burnishing powder (galley soap), which does a great job. It also protects the steel shot from rust, so cant recommend it enough. Thanks for watching. Dave
Good point about the heat--I'll try that too, thanks!
Can you tumble rings that have a stone in them? like Sapphires, Topaz or zircons.
Yes, the tumbling action (in mine) is quite a gentle sliding action. Some larger units with internal fins which lift and drop the shot may be a little harder on delicate items. But I've tumbled everything in mine with never a problem. I do avoid Emeralds, Untreated Opals, Amber and Pearls though as these can be particularly delicate. Hope this helps. Dave
Perfect. I have the same tumbler as you and Stainless steel shot. I normally use it for cleaning coins that I find metal detecting.
I have just started to learn to make jewelry and have just done an 40 hour course. So am now practicing.
Thanks.
What was the powder that you put in the tumbler? Sorry but I'm a french Montrealer and sometime I have problem with the English accent.
La poudre est appelée "composé brunissage". Le nom commercial ici au Royaume-Uni est appelé "Barrelbrite" il est une sorte de savon en poudre, qui aide à nettoyer les bijoux et agit comme un lubrifiant pour aider à tout ce mouvement. Il arrête également la grenaille d'acier de rouiller. Dave.
www.cooksongold.com/Jewellery-Tools/Barrelbrite-Plus-Bb-63-1kg----------Barrelling-Compound-Un-Unclassified-prcode-998-001B
Dave, I had a shock when I opened the Thumler tumbler that had been running overnight, with stainless shot, sterling and rose gold jump rings. Shot was mixed with white plastic pellets that I bought years ago to add volume when I was using a smaller tumbler. The rings were beautiful and shiny but the plastic pellets were covered in something black. I thought the barrel was breaking down, but it wasn't sticky and rubbing with paper towel didn't show much of anything. I've been using Super Sunsheen burnishing compound from Rio. Same stuff I've been using for years. Tumbler is pretty new; I've run it about 8 times and every time I completely rinse the shot and pellets and start the next batch with clean water and burnishing liquid. Do you have any idea what would be leaving a black residue on the plastic pellets? THANK YOU
I always get the same. Clean shot, fresh water and within an hour its black. The pieces come out lovely though, as you said. I presumed it was microscopic particles from the black rubber barrels. But more recently I have got a huge magnetic polisher, with a hard acrylic barrel and that too goes black within minutes (different pins and different polishing liquid). So perhaps its just tiny metal particles or iron oxides. Not 100% sure myself. But either way, my pieces come up lovely, and the rubber barrels will probably last longer than me. So no concerns there. Dave
Celtic Dreams thank you for the reassuring words.
Hi, great videos.
Can you use a tumbler to clean old silver brooches, chains? My wife has filigree brooches and quite a few flower Brooches, would they be ok?
A delicate jewelry cleaning video from old tarnished to polished would be great. How to load the polishing mops then use would be great.
+Dwarfsbane Ironfist Found your silver polishing video, going to buy the mops for bangles and the dip to try on the delicate silver. just need to faind something on cleaning silver with marcasite settings.
+Dwarfsbane Ironfist Yes indeed I have a few polishing videos. I have polished marcasite rings in the town talk silver dip and followed up in an ultrasonic. I'd perhaps avoid mechanical methods such as ,mops, with marcasites as they can crack and chip.
+Dwarfsbane Ironfist The tumbler is perfect for chains and intricate items. I polish charm bracelets in it - charms and all !
+Celtic Dreams Thank you for your quick reply, I think I will buy a tumbler and a ultrasonic cleaner in a couple of weeks.
I do enjoy your videos.
They changed the formula names. Could you list the comparable items Menzerna now sells?
Yes they have changed the packaging. Even more confusing is they now have the blue polish in a yellow box and yellow polish in a blue box - Great work from the product designers there. But the polish is still the same. The Menzerna polishes I use are the Blue P164 for a pre poolish and Yellow P175 for finishing. Dave
Is there some large & small. And what the difference
Large and small what? I presume you are talking about the actual barrels. Yes there are deferent Lortone models, some have larger barrels some are longer to accommodate two barrels. They are just the same, they simply allow you to put more items and larger items in. I have two of these units, one with shot as shown and another with ceramic chips for creating a satin finish. check out lortone's web site. www.lortone.com/tumbler_models.html Hope this helps Dave.
Will it do jump ring too
Of course, ideal for cleaning, de burring and work hardening them. Dave
I'm am so sorry Dave, I seen a video earlier in the day and it look like the shots "if that how it spelled " where loner. Then what you used look smaller. So that was what I was wondering and if it made a difference. Thank you Dave sorry for the confusion. ( not important but my mother in law was a Wilson) lol just had to throw it out there.🤐🤐
Loner?
Hi Dave. Could you please give me the Menzerna item numbers for the IP and SF polish that you use? I am fed up with my current polish and want to try something new. There are many different item numbers such as P175. I think that is your SF, but I want to be sure.
Yes it's very confusing and there are a few similar ones for each stage.
PP Pre polish 163 Ochre (coarsest polish) and 456G Grey (coarse heavy cutting )
* IP Intensive polish either 333 Green or P164 Blue ( very pale blue colour this is the one I use) the green is little coarser cut.
FF They also make four different final finish compounds, but for jewellery purposes an IP and and SF will get you a mirror finish in just two stages.
* SF Super finish P175 Yellow ( i use this on gold and silver), Or M5 White (finest polish)
I use P175 yellow and P164 Blue . see link below. Hope this helps. Dave
www.menzerna.com/products/solid-compounds/surfaces/precious-metals/
Thank you very much.
Hi there. What do you call This piece off jewelry. I like to have one.
It's called a "Gauntlet Ring" named after the articulated metal gloves that medieval knights would wear. You may see them with other names such as a claw ring. Most you will see are cast base metal, so do check for hallmarks if you're looking for a silver one. happy hunting. Dave
Can I ask can you recommend a tumbler please not expensive
Have you actually watched the video? as that's pretty much the whole point of the video, hence the title. Dave
Wow
Thank you. Dave
is that a blackpool accent?
very close, Wigan. About 20 miles away. Dave
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You’re welcome 😊 Dave
Interesting video the item is considered a offensive weapon here unlawful to own
over here
+pijnto ..wow!... I never knew a Lortone tumbler was an offensive weapon. Dave.
I presume you mean the ring, Indeed the police do not like such things. But they are popular with Goths and bikers, so they do sell - very well indeed ; ) Dave.
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You’re welcome 😊 Dave