Coming from the Mountain Bike and cyclocross racing side of things, I’ve been on tubeless for a long time. It’s pretty painless the majority of the time. I’ve never flatted while running tubeless, and that’s ranging on everything from 33c Donnelly PDX’s at 15 psi to 2.3” Maxxis Ardent’s with additional casing protection. Outside of some brands like Rene Herse, most of the time it’s pretty simple. Having a charger pump or canister helps a lot on install, as well as tubeless compatible rims and tires. Literally last month I rode through a notorious stretch of road that’s known for being filled with debris. 10 seconds after turning onto the road I got a puncture. I stopped, pulled the shard of metal out, spun the wheel, and the sealant did its job. I pumped up the tire a bit and rode off. A few minutes later I caught up to some cyclists and one of them immediately punctured and almost crashed on a patch of gravel due to the sudden pressure loss. They definitely had to pull over and swap out their tube. I’ve got a good friend who almost exclusively rides fixed brakeless. He swears by tubeless even more than I do and is putting in 15k miles a year minimum on road and gravel tubeless setups from Schwalbe, Terrevail, etc. 200 mile days with tons of elevation and he’s had few issues. Tubeless is pretty sussed out, it’s not perfect, but considering that there are so many good affordable tubeless rim and tire options it makes sense for a lot of riders.
"Tubeless saves you so much trouble all you have to do is... 1. Replace half of your bike for a huge amount of money 2. Have a huge mess with any tire related maintenance 3. Have frequent tire related maintenances to fill up the milk " I really had a lot of punctures with tires like the GP 5000 and I don't know about you, but I simply buy good tires like the Continental Contact Urban and live with rare occasions of failed tubes. Since I switched over to the Contact Urban and Schwalbe Maraton Supreme I did not have a single puncture (I still had failing tubes, though).
Yeah, but you won't get any flats. ... Well, you will still get flats, but not as many. ... Well, you'll still get as many flats, but not for the same reasons. ... But, other than that, ... Wait, what are we talking about?
A good beef cake tire, with a kevlar belt (like schwalbe marathons), with a polyurethane tube (like the schwalbe aerothanes), easily saves the money, hassle, and weight.
I’ve just gone tubeless on a Specialized Creo. If you use tubeless compatible rims and tyres and not just try and make a rim and tyre that aren’t supposed to be tubeless, tubeless then you fix most of these problems right off the bat. Just fill the sealant through the valve core every 3 months and keep the tyres pumped up and you’ll be fine. Look up a tyre pressure calculator online and it’ll tell you a pretty accurate psi to pump to
Made the move to tubeless on my Hplusson archetype thanks to your video. Perfect for gravel fixed gear, but clearly will not do it on any other bike 😁 very good for low pressure on off-road, but not worth it IMO for the rest
You prove my point! The start up is expensive and the maintenance is messy and technical. Same goes for disc brakes. The net gain? That can be debated. Of course if you are riding on skinny ass racing tires with barely enough tread to color them black.....what do you expect? I ride a late 80s MTB single speed with 1.95" tires appropriate for the terrain. Not track bike!
I've had the complete opposite experience that it seems like you've had. I've been running tubeless for a year and had no flats, only had to refresh my sealant once in that time (and even so, the sealant still stopped a puncture just a few days before I refreshed it), and I certainly haven't had to replace my tires in that 6-12 month timeframe you claim I should need to. Not sure this one holds up.
If my purpose is to go fast, get a quick and manoeuvre friendly bike to go into deep S curves, speed up and get around cars is a Wabi special specialised the right bike for this? or should one not consider the Wabi geometry as a speedy track-like bike? there are the real track bikes in carbon but how long will those last and how good will they be over time on the street in every day use?... I need to make a choice ... but I know speed is important to me, and even more so being able to turn well, manoeuvrability in traffic is A and O for me now.... please advise if Wabi is the right company to turn to! thanks! I am considering your bike the Puple Special Spseialised now!.. Hope to hear from you Zach! love being reasonable dangerous!
My current set-up is a tpu tube with a removable presta core then i fill it up with about 50ml of sealant. Heavier but i mainly use my fixed gear for commuting, checked it after 4 months and there’s like 3 possible punchers that are sealed. 6 months i will replace the tubes
Doing rim tape is quite meditative for me. Patience and consistency is key. Yes, u can do it urself. Of all the wheels ive done, i've only screwed up once, that was the first time. Once the technique is dialled, it's easy. Just need focus and patience.
Zach has arrived to regular tires after wooden gators and artisan tires! And that handlebars looks like one on my other bike - of course, this one is much more comfortable than wide MTB bars and have more sense than drop bars.
My opinion is that tubeless is a must... For gravel and mountain. And that it's generally not needed for road riding. I only have my gravel bike set up tubeless and my road and fixed gear are using tubes
@@imbikinghere I ride a Stevens ebike like an cyclocross ex6 gent . Schwalbe smart sam + and a Schwalbe tube. Most of the time on roads or forrest roads.
Honestly, tubeless is way less maintenance, because you’re rarely going to get a flat-I haven’t had a flat on my gravel bike or single speed since I went tubeless- did get a puncture on a mountain bike tire from a sharp rock, but that’s unavoidable - but no chance of pinch flats makes tubeless worth it for me, got a ton of pinch flats when I ran tubes, always changing one, that is definitely not less maintenance….
@@stevekelly6544 you have to pump the tubeless every second day is a lot of maintenance. Also changing a tube is way less complicated than installing and maintain tubeless. Did you watch the video? ☮️
I volunteer at my local co-op and I just have to say, buy good stuff. The guys that come in with quality tubeless gear, no issues. We do however have a lot of DIYers that are converting some non-tubeless rims to tubeless and the amount of tape they've put on, or spots they've cheaped out on... just problematic. 100% like you said, if you're not going off road so you don't need very low psi and you're not riding all the time so your current gear has LOTS of life left in it, eh, you're not missing out. You do notice the lack of weight though. Some tubeless setups with disc brakes so the rim is even lighter (not needing a fortified brake track)... damn, low level of rotating mass, that shit spins up nice.
Outside of fixed gear, the product space for non-tubeless feels like its getting very small because all the higher end tires and rims are almost all tubeless. I tried using tubes with tubeless tires and rims and changing a flat is one of the most annoying experiences due to the tighter tolerances.
No, no, no... as a mountain biker/ street rider ( on the same bike), I've ridden rocks, roots, trail bridges, curbs, concrete barriers, etc. with Mavic SUP rims (rear), and tires that ran the gamut from Umma Gumma 2.5s to Continental Baja 1.95s without incident. Proper tire pressures, in my experience, are the factor. Maybe dead cats are a "stick in the spokes" out in California. I enjoy the vids, even though fixed gear bikes in western Connecticut would be suicidal. Cheers. And keep up the good work!
I find it interesting to see how hard it is to go tubeless on thinner rims and tires. My mountain bike is tubless and i can get those tires to seat in about 2 minutes when i have to change the sealant
Hey Zach, i know you have cycled in Detroit, but i don't know if you have visited or cycled Pittsburgh and i wanna know wish of those two cities you recommend for living. Also if is not too much, can you make a video about traveling with a bicycle. Thank you
Dang, if you’re trying to convince me to go tubeless it ain’t working 🥴 lol but glad you are relaying all the finer details of what goes in to having a successful tubeless setup!
You dont need tubeless just buy a good tire ( thicker tires if your frame can fit it) i use a 28c conti gatorskin im 90kg i havent had a single flat since, i also run it at max psi to have less rolling resistance.
Replacing a tube is like a 15min swap for me. I only get punctures like once a month. Honestly, its not just worth the hassle. On my trail bike on the other hand, its either tubeless or you go walk your bike down the hill. Lmao
I've been using these tyres for over 20 years. Never had a puncture. They are a little heavy, a bit tricky to put on but once on seem to last thousands of klms.
Technically modern car tires are tubeless(without sealant), so maybe it's something that's easier on bigger bulkier wheels. I don't know about motorcycles, much, but I bet you have both.
Im a tubless fan on my mtbs. But not a fan for my roadbikes. Tubless can be finniki. Love the Mustache bars on your bike. I feel those bars dont get the love they deserve.
The biggest reason for me NOT gounh tubeless is because if space. I only one wheelset (so cost as well) so when I ride different terrain I can just switch my tires and I can store my tires in a closet.. or fold it up and throw them in a box.
Bruh watching this vid prolly killed the idea of ever going Tubeless for me. I have two Bikes, one Hardtail for whatever terrain and one Singlespeed for City riding only.
U have to walk the walk, but almost every rim can be made tubeless, not the same way with the tires, it depends on the number of lines in the tire, but almos every well brand tire can be tubelized... I have done more than 100+ tubeles system work with non tubeless comps....
After you do it a few times, and get a routine it doesn’t seem bad, it’s become normal to me, having 3 bikes all tubeless- watch a few how to videos and get different tips from different people.
all my road bikes are in tubeless, it's just soooo great in every espect. But if you still need to skid on a fixie then it's a no no. Otherwise tubeless is the king.
honestly its not worth it imo, as a roadie i go more towards TPU inner tubes (ridenow or tubolito) puncture free for almost a year now with 5000+km ridden
I run tire liner and sealant on my tubes. I don't think I'd ever trust tubeless. Especially knowing I live in New Mexico, where there a lot of thorns, glass, etc...
Isn't tubeless at odds with the whole fixed gear philosophy, though? I mean, I'm not religous about it but fixies are all about simple bikes and tubeless kinda makes a simple thing (ie. a tube) complex.
I cant understand how anyone wouldnt be running tubeless. I dont even carry a spare tube or anything anymore cause you just ride the bike till the tires wear out then replace. Bike tubes are expensive, i havent bought one in years.
I've only ever considered tubeless on my mountain bike though I already have tubeless ready tires and rim. For my hybrid urban boy tho, hell no. It ain't worth it.
I rode toobless and tried one more time ? And yeah I kick those waist off the 605 San Gabriel River bed Bridge and I think I hate a druggie ? There not for me I have more issues with toobless and waist more money going that route ! Norm tire I just flip it unscrew pull unbead remove put reseal slam in rechain rescrew retighten reair ride on get smash by car ? Have ride fast take a hit with a smile !
I swop out tyres loads. So its not for me... let alone the faff... someone needs to develop an ultra light sealant tube.. like the slime tubes of the 90's
Easy solution: I installed tubeless tires with tubes. It’s a thicker tire so no flats and you can run lower pressures so more comfort= best of both worlds……..
Coming from the Mountain Bike and cyclocross racing side of things, I’ve been on tubeless for a long time. It’s pretty painless the majority of the time. I’ve never flatted while running tubeless, and that’s ranging on everything from 33c Donnelly PDX’s at 15 psi to 2.3” Maxxis Ardent’s with additional casing protection. Outside of some brands like Rene Herse, most of the time it’s pretty simple. Having a charger pump or canister helps a lot on install, as well as tubeless compatible rims and tires.
Literally last month I rode through a notorious stretch of road that’s known for being filled with debris. 10 seconds after turning onto the road I got a puncture. I stopped, pulled the shard of metal out, spun the wheel, and the sealant did its job. I pumped up the tire a bit and rode off. A few minutes later I caught up to some cyclists and one of them immediately punctured and almost crashed on a patch of gravel due to the sudden pressure loss. They definitely had to pull over and swap out their tube.
I’ve got a good friend who almost exclusively rides fixed brakeless. He swears by tubeless even more than I do and is putting in 15k miles a year minimum on road and gravel tubeless setups from Schwalbe, Terrevail, etc. 200 mile days with tons of elevation and he’s had few issues.
Tubeless is pretty sussed out, it’s not perfect, but considering that there are so many good affordable tubeless rim and tire options it makes sense for a lot of riders.
"Tubeless saves you so much trouble all you have to do is...
1. Replace half of your bike for a huge amount of money
2. Have a huge mess with any tire related maintenance
3. Have frequent tire related maintenances to fill up the milk
"
I really had a lot of punctures with tires like the GP 5000 and I don't know about you, but I simply buy good tires like the Continental Contact Urban and live with rare occasions of failed tubes.
Since I switched over to the Contact Urban and Schwalbe Maraton Supreme I did not have a single puncture (I still had failing tubes, though).
Yeah, but you won't get any flats.
... Well, you will still get flats, but not as many.
... Well, you'll still get as many flats, but not for the same reasons.
... But, other than that, ... Wait, what are we talking about?
A good beef cake tire, with a kevlar belt (like schwalbe marathons), with a polyurethane tube (like the schwalbe aerothanes), easily saves the money, hassle, and weight.
I’ve just gone tubeless on a Specialized Creo. If you use tubeless compatible rims and tyres and not just try and make a rim and tyre that aren’t supposed to be tubeless, tubeless then you fix most of these problems right off the bat. Just fill the sealant through the valve core every 3 months and keep the tyres pumped up and you’ll be fine. Look up a tyre pressure calculator online and it’ll tell you a pretty accurate psi to pump to
I just got my wabi classic it’s the best bike ever. If anyone is thinking about getting one, YES DO IT.
Made the move to tubeless on my Hplusson archetype thanks to your video. Perfect for gravel fixed gear, but clearly will not do it on any other bike 😁 very good for low pressure on off-road, but not worth it IMO for the rest
You prove my point! The start up is expensive and the maintenance is messy and technical. Same goes for disc brakes. The net gain? That can be debated. Of course if you are riding on skinny ass racing tires with barely enough tread to color them black.....what do you expect? I ride a late 80s MTB single speed with 1.95" tires appropriate for the terrain. Not track bike!
I've had the complete opposite experience that it seems like you've had. I've been running tubeless for a year and had no flats, only had to refresh my sealant once in that time (and even so, the sealant still stopped a puncture just a few days before I refreshed it), and I certainly haven't had to replace my tires in that 6-12 month timeframe you claim I should need to. Not sure this one holds up.
If my purpose is to go fast, get a quick and manoeuvre friendly bike to go into deep S curves, speed up and get around cars is a Wabi special specialised the right bike for this? or should one not consider the Wabi geometry as a speedy track-like bike? there are the real track bikes in carbon but how long will those last and how good will they be over time on the street in every day use?... I need to make a choice ... but I know speed is important to me, and even more so being able to turn well, manoeuvrability in traffic is A and O for me now.... please advise if Wabi is the right company to turn to! thanks!
I am considering your bike the Puple Special Spseialised now!.. Hope to hear from you Zach! love being reasonable dangerous!
My current set-up is a tpu tube with a removable presta core then i fill it up with about 50ml of sealant. Heavier but i mainly use my fixed gear for commuting, checked it after 4 months and there’s like 3 possible punchers that are sealed. 6 months i will replace the tubes
Doing rim tape is quite meditative for me. Patience and consistency is key. Yes, u can do it urself. Of all the wheels ive done, i've only screwed up once, that was the first time. Once the technique is dialled, it's easy. Just need focus and patience.
Zach has arrived to regular tires after wooden gators and artisan tires! And that handlebars looks like one on my other bike - of course, this one is much more comfortable than wide MTB bars and have more sense than drop bars.
Therefore I don't use tubeless. Way too much downsides compared to the advantages. Less maintenance is important to me. ☮️
My opinion is that tubeless is a must... For gravel and mountain. And that it's generally not needed for road riding. I only have my gravel bike set up tubeless and my road and fixed gear are using tubes
@@imbikinghere I ride a Stevens ebike like an cyclocross ex6 gent . Schwalbe smart sam + and a Schwalbe tube. Most of the time on roads or forrest roads.
Honestly, tubeless is way less maintenance, because you’re rarely going to get a flat-I haven’t had a flat on my gravel bike or single speed since I went tubeless- did get a puncture on a mountain bike tire from a sharp rock, but that’s unavoidable - but no chance of pinch flats makes tubeless worth it for me, got a ton of pinch flats when I ran tubes, always changing one, that is definitely not less maintenance….
@@stevekelly6544 you have to pump the tubeless every second day is a lot of maintenance. Also changing a tube is way less complicated than installing and maintain tubeless. Did you watch the video? ☮️
How were people cyclocross'ing and mountain biking before tubeless tires became a thing?
You'd think they couldn't make a mile without getting a flat
Your patience and attention to detail in the maintenance/installation process is greater than mines.
…….NAHHHHH
I volunteer at my local co-op and I just have to say, buy good stuff. The guys that come in with quality tubeless gear, no issues. We do however have a lot of DIYers that are converting some non-tubeless rims to tubeless and the amount of tape they've put on, or spots they've cheaped out on... just problematic. 100% like you said, if you're not going off road so you don't need very low psi and you're not riding all the time so your current gear has LOTS of life left in it, eh, you're not missing out. You do notice the lack of weight though. Some tubeless setups with disc brakes so the rim is even lighter (not needing a fortified brake track)... damn, low level of rotating mass, that shit spins up nice.
Outside of fixed gear, the product space for non-tubeless feels like its getting very small because all the higher end tires and rims are almost all tubeless. I tried using tubes with tubeless tires and rims and changing a flat is one of the most annoying experiences due to the tighter tolerances.
Can you talk more about those bars please? They looks sick asf, I need myself more alternative bars that aren’t the standard drops or risers
Those are mustache bars. Lots of good hand positions to choose from!
I love the idea of tubeless, but I'm pretty happy with my presta tubes these days because I'm not tracklocrossing enough.
Can you do tubeless with out adding a sealant ? And just patch it up like a car tire or motorcycle tire when getting a puncture?
No, no, no... as a mountain biker/ street rider ( on the same bike), I've ridden rocks, roots, trail bridges, curbs, concrete barriers, etc. with Mavic SUP rims (rear), and tires that ran the gamut from Umma Gumma 2.5s to Continental Baja 1.95s without incident. Proper tire pressures, in my experience, are the factor. Maybe dead cats are a "stick in the spokes" out in California. I enjoy the vids, even though fixed gear bikes in western Connecticut would be suicidal. Cheers. And keep up the good work!
Damn, never had this pain in the ass journey with tubeless like your anecdotes. But I have to pump up my tires more often
I find it interesting to see how hard it is to go tubeless on thinner rims and tires. My mountain bike is tubless and i can get those tires to seat in about 2 minutes when i have to change the sealant
cant wait for the factory video series!!!!
Hey Zach, i know you have cycled in Detroit, but i don't know if you have visited or cycled Pittsburgh and i wanna know wish of those two cities you recommend for living. Also if is not too much, can you make a video about traveling with a bicycle. Thank you
Dang, if you’re trying to convince me to go tubeless it ain’t working 🥴 lol but glad you are relaying all the finer details of what goes in to having a successful tubeless setup!
You dont need tubeless just buy a good tire ( thicker tires if your frame can fit it) i use a 28c conti gatorskin im 90kg i havent had a single flat since, i also run it at max psi to have less rolling resistance.
Replacing a tube is like a 15min swap for me. I only get punctures like once a month. Honestly, its not just worth the hassle.
On my trail bike on the other hand, its either tubeless or you go walk your bike down the hill. Lmao
Would you reccomand the quella varsity?
Some people took weeks or even months to get used to riding a fixed gear, But I got used to it in one day, lol Without brakes
where's that wabi facoty tour video you keep talking about? can't find it
schwalbe marathon plus because consistently rolling slow (If you even notice) is faster over 10 years all year riding
I've been using these tyres for over 20 years. Never had a puncture. They are a little heavy, a bit tricky to put on but once on seem to last thousands of klms.
what computer mount are you using?
I just carry a spare tube, if I get a flat on my tubeless setup, just put a tube in and patch the tire when I get home
Technically modern car tires are tubeless(without sealant), so maybe it's something that's easier on bigger bulkier wheels. I don't know about motorcycles, much, but I bet you have both.
Could you do a video on the Veloretti Berlin bike pls?
Nobody ever seems to talk about tire liners. I've used them for years and have almost never had a flat.
Im a tubless fan on my mtbs. But not a fan for my roadbikes. Tubless can be finniki. Love the Mustache bars on your bike. I feel those bars dont get the love they deserve.
Where i found that helmet mirror?
Can you test the Fuji Feather?😊
The biggest reason for me NOT gounh tubeless is because if space. I only one wheelset (so cost as well) so when I ride different terrain I can just switch my tires and I can store my tires in a closet.. or fold it up and throw them in a box.
Bruh watching this vid prolly killed the idea of ever going Tubeless for me. I have two Bikes, one Hardtail for whatever terrain and one Singlespeed for City riding only.
Why have I not seen a throne fixie mentioned in your videos
U have to walk the walk, but almost every rim can be made tubeless, not the same way with the tires, it depends on the number of lines in the tire, but almos every well brand tire can be tubelized... I have done more than 100+ tubeles system work with non tubeless comps....
5:10 what handlebars are you using? :D
Look to be FSA Metropolis… I have some and like em
. . . And a copy of Spiderman 2 for the PlayStation 2 . . . 😂
After you do it a few times, and get a routine it doesn’t seem bad, it’s become normal to me, having 3 bikes all tubeless- watch a few how to videos and get different tips from different people.
Tubeless is awesome!
I'm convinced. No on tubless.
Don’t forget to add glitter!!! 😂
Anyone know what the bars are?
all my road bikes are in tubeless, it's just soooo great in every espect. But if you still need to skid on a fixie then it's a no no. Otherwise tubeless is the king.
I tried them and do not like tubeless. It a mess and not always easy the get the seal.
There is always tube with sealant!
seems cool but not enough of a need for me to do this.
honestly its not worth it imo, as a roadie i go more towards TPU inner tubes (ridenow or tubolito) puncture free for almost a year now with 5000+km ridden
Yo that Andron?
I run tire liner and sealant on my tubes. I don't think I'd ever trust tubeless. Especially knowing I live in New Mexico, where there a lot of thorns, glass, etc...
Goat heads, or do you also run a goat head scraper?
what's a goat head scraper?@@jrnamida5470
Isn't tubeless at odds with the whole fixed gear philosophy, though? I mean, I'm not religous about it but fixies are all about simple bikes and tubeless kinda makes a simple thing (ie. a tube) complex.
I cant understand how anyone wouldnt be running tubeless. I dont even carry a spare tube or anything anymore cause you just ride the bike till the tires wear out then replace.
Bike tubes are expensive, i havent bought one in years.
Bike tubes are $3 a pop 😅
Clincher gang all the way 🥷🏽
Oh no!!! Is that... a KICKSTAND?!?
agree100% !!!!!
I've only ever considered tubeless on my mountain bike though I already have tubeless ready tires and rim. For my hybrid urban boy tho, hell no. It ain't worth it.
2nd?
tubeless riding is just a subscription fee to ride with more frequent and increased maintenance costs.
Black hardware on that lugged frame still looks a bit… off.
I rode toobless and tried one more time ? And yeah I kick those waist off the 605 San Gabriel River bed Bridge and I think I hate a druggie ? There not for me I have more issues with toobless and waist more money going that route ! Norm tire I just flip it unscrew pull unbead remove put reseal slam in rechain rescrew retighten reair ride on get smash by car ? Have ride fast take a hit with a smile !
SECOOOONDDD
WOOO
I swop out tyres loads. So its not for me... let alone the faff... someone needs to develop an ultra light sealant tube.. like the slime tubes of the 90's
It’s really not that hard to do yourself just buy a tape that’s slightly wider than your rim
Easy solution: I installed tubeless tires with tubes. It’s a thicker tire so no flats and you can run lower pressures so more comfort= best of both worlds……..
Bro, really, just get an air compressor, PLEASE, they're not _that_ expensive.
What the fuck re those handlebars?
Yea, no thanks.
First
tsk
I can change a tube and reinstall a tire in less than 5 minutes. If you argue with my comment, then you're only arguing your skills. Stay tubed.
i'd rather just carry tubes thanks