We Need To Talk About Necromancy...
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
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No I don't think they should revert grico nerf. It was way too strong as a basic ability before at 400% damage with caroming 4 before combat update. The way it is right now is fine. I would rather they add something to upgrade the combat in another way. Maybe snipe needs an upgrade. I stopped using Snipe since I got BOLG.
@@WingsofAbsurdity greater needle strike would be neat
@@edimmuz I think there should be focus on a t100 crossbow first before that.
@@WingsofAbsurdity like the primals or a new one?
@@edimmuz probably an augmentable t95 crossbow would be cool since bow scape is the only option right now
So you dont hate people that use necro but you also think they suck when you see them? YEP. I dont get people's obsession with forcing on others what they think they should do. Any serious player gaps necro with ranged or melee/mage brid builds. You're just obsessed with having people experience the game the way you went through it, I've been playing since 2012, doesn't bother me 1 bit if someone uses necro, chances are, a lot of those people that are playing using necro would not even get into pvm if it wasn't for that style, why is that a bad thing? Everything necro does, the other styles can do and more. Complaining about necro skipping mechs at 1k telos when every style does the same thing? Im sorry bud, but this take aint it.
I'm sayin it's good for people getting into bossin'. It's people who won't try other styles bc they're too APM intensive or the others have way higher requirements to start with.
@@edimmuz you've just made necro users argument? maybe people don't want to pvm with "APM intensive" combat styles, or don't want to grind out the higher requirements other styles may need to do more dmg than necro? honestly your contradictions in this video is pathetic as fuck and as a necro player I just want to quote you with "I think you fucking suck".
Hahaha 100%. Couldn't've said it better myself.
To be fair, necro is literally renowned for afking bosses, and it allows you to go into the highest of tier of bosses and be fine
Its like necro is a flying wheelchair bro, stairs arent even minibosses, if you're disabled then you're disabled, im not trying to disrespect that but, dont defend it if its op
Being able to understand the overarching point being made seems to be lost on the original comment, and I don’t mean that disrespectfully. You chose one sentiment to respond to instead of the entirety of what the message was. He’s not saying, “well I struggled so everyone else should too”. Necromancy trivializes the majority of the game and doesn’t incentivize you to use anything different. Which, as stated in the video, using necromancy isn’t the problem. I also love the class fantasy of a necromancer; the problem is you don’t experience the game how it was DESIGNED, not what other people’s past experiences were, and that’s the big point you’re missing here. It’s a slippery slope because yes its easy to get into and new user friendly, the issues come in because you’re conditioning people of what to expect and tempering their expectations when they branch out, if they do. Once they branch out, they are like what the fuck is this?!?! My damage is ass, the rotations are complicated and difficult to understand so they never use anything else.
I agree, they need to make the other combat styles more competitive. That being said I suck at pvm and necro is being a really helpful way for me to get into bossing. I am legitimately excited to learn the other combat styles and get better. Looking forward to the combat achievements to hopefully help me learn more
@GLW675 you're my favorite type of player bc you get it. Use necro to get started then ease into the other stuff. Good luck on the achievements!
They literally made Necro for this, so higher end pvm isn't only for the elite anymore.
@ correct! but ghost/blood siphon negating soulsplit at early levels? They introduced a great early system with only one avenue of success. it's not balanced but maybe thats just the way it should be based on these comments
@@edimmuz yeah it's kinda op not gonna lie, but tbf I always felt that the other 3 styles lacked any form of sustain. Siphon and ghost a bit much but half that for other 3 styles should be doable
@@jacobhelder7009 yeah. Melee has vamp scrims and cannon, ranged onyx bolts, magic blood spells so it's doable
I always use magic, and I will always use magic lmao
Im always at rago and everyone is either necro and range, okay cool
but i'll always respect other mage users here :)
Can't agree with you more. They need to give the OG styles some love to at least match necro sustain, and then follow up with challenging bosses/achievements.
there working on raising everything else thats why thy are increasing skiller stats to 110 to make way of increasing the other combat damage styles up to be even with necro but they need better supplies to make better weapons and armors, hince 110 mining and smithing for tier 100 ores and melee weps and 110 wc and fletch for tier 100 bows and arrows and 110 rc for tier 100 staff next then once there is masterwork gear they plan to add upgrades to them or make another augmentable set of gear. patience and everything will eventually be up with necro but its not gonna happen overnight.
I'm holding out bro 😭 I just wanna see everyone try new things ya know
I get both sides of the argument, I’m trying a balanced approach. For me, I use (and still do) Nerco to get my Zuk hybrid cape and 1000%+ enrage at Arch. Nerco has helped someone like me who is just now getting into higher level PVM to shot for best in slot for other gear. On the flip side to that, I do personally see the crux and safety net that Nerco provides.
I really want to get back into range and mage kills against the same high tier monsters. It just takes more effort and time for me to understand the APM/DPS with range and mage rotations. Where with Nerco, I really only worry about 3-5 mechanics that are at the core of Nerco
I don’t fuck with Necro. I only use range. It makes thing easier and sure some people need help but it’s insane how OP it is
I agree on the bringing other styles up , but you mention late stuff. Other combat skills need to be updated from t10 to t90. There should be craftable weapons that you can upgreade from t10 to t90 with special attacks starting at 60 for other styles too that are cheap. Maybe a way to reduce the action per minute of other combat skills and voila. Cuz when you're BIS , i see ranged and magic get the edge over necromancy a lot. By very very good player that got their rotation branded into their brain. Thats the other problem. Other skills are not accessible for player other than the grandmasters IMO.
Necro dont need to be nerfed though in any way, other one need to be boosted early on and made accessible.
+ It made way more player interested in PVMING and if someone think they suck well too bad. Just leave them in their elitist tower and have fun.
++ I have BIS necromancy and i have difficulty going through a lot of the content you mentionned or showed. Low effort this and that is just elistist glazing. I need to learn mechanics and actually try. There's not a lot of stuff that is truly low effort.
Necro is fine as it is. It's the other styles that are underwhelming.
Necro's sustain needs some tuning but yes, the other styles (melee plz) need some modernizing after the two year necro reign
TLDR: Necromancy has ease of access and lower APM with less switches and in terms of damage I would say the tier list would be Ranged followed by necromancy and melee tied at second followed by Magic which by far has the most utility.
I would like to chime in and join the conversation.
I personally saw how strong necromancy was on release but did not prefer it over magic to start. It has been nerfed since release to bring it in line with other styles.
Since its release I have done nothing but play necromancy.
However on my solo Iron Man I've done all the grinds with all the original combat styles and quite honestly from a group Iron Man perspective there was absolutely zero reason to do any other Style.
Especially for competitive group Iron Man because it forces you to level a bunch of stuff that you already have to level anyway.
From a mid to late game perspective necromancy is King because of ease of access as you stated in your own video you need like 90 something Fletching to get a level 60 bow which is ridiculous. You have to go on ridiculously long grinds to get comparable armor for any other Style so why torture yourself other than to stroke your own ego? Or because your purposely wanting to not play that way? And that's totally fine that's within the person's right to do so.
As for high-level pvm I personally like necromancy and I know you said you're not dogging on people that actually like the style but I personally like necromancy because of the lower APM I also enjoy not having to do all of the freaking switches.
However if I had to put the combat Styles in a tier list ranged would be at the top I feel nothing can compare to the amount of damage it can pump out.
I would make necromancy and melee even
I would put magic at the bottom in terms of damage but in terms of utility it has the most by far.
I don't find the style particularly overpowered myself as it's not something I can just run through every boss and molly wop with ease, but it does offer things others don't offer in the early game which is healing and decent damage.
As I'm sure you're aware it's really hard on an Iron Man to get all of the abilities why extend the grind and be miserable doing suboptimal damage as a player that has played at the end game?
Even if somebody does camp 4,000 Arc Glacier with necromancy I don't think that makes them a bad player and I'm not saying that your opinion is invalid I just don't see where people are saying this one particular combat style is overpowered versus the others I feel as though the others need to have more ease of access to their abilities and armor and weapons to fall in line with necromancy for sure but that's not going to happen because certain bosses drop certain codexes for certain abilities for other combat styles and in my opinion ranged doesn't really start to get good until you have near best in slot armor I don't think that's fair at all I like the other combat Styles myself but I Camp necromancy especially now on my cgim because of ease of access all I have to do is level up skills I'm already going to level anyway and unlock the abilities as to where Magic it doesn't even feel good to play because I don't have corruption blast and won't have access to it for a while let alone magma Tempest and FSOA.
Something that you could personally focus on rather than making a rant video just my opinion is maybe you could teach people how to use the other styles.
As well as necromancy because I'm sure a lot of the player base doesn't understand half of what you were talking about at the end of the video because I know I don't. I'm probably above-average and would like to be an expert or a pro however you want to categorize the player base however I find it difficult to find information on different combat Styles and people going through rotations and showing you how to do things explaining how things work with other things they just expect you to read the abilities and figure it out.
I personally don't feel the need to go back to other combat styles, they are so bloated and so forced to nearly double you APM, you have to do tick manipulation or swap this and that, and tick perfect swap rotations.... Its just to much. Its not enjoyable because the the boss isn't so much the difficulty, but rather what you have to juggle in your own character to be optimal at more than half of the bosses. Not even to mention that it costs nearly 4x as much as other gear.
The APM comparison and cost difference between different styles is rough indeed
this is the problem make the other styles like necrfo and we all use what style we prefer as casual. but then the hard core would cry no way to win just let the casuals like me enjoy an easy dps class.
AS a person that just came back after a three year break. The only real thing keeping me around is necro I'm an older gamer. Is necro even the "Best DPS" I thought range and magic in the hands of a person knowing the rotation is way faster? Why do people feel a need to worry about what others have done? Should you not be happy with your goals that you did? Or are people really worried that much what other people think of them? Jagex allowing a style that is for the masses is a smart move to keep players around and keeps content open up to people that are casual.
I agree with you! It's cool to try, it'd be awesome to see you try different styles as well though.
@@edimmuz its all personal preference dude, youre years late and youre shit at pvm so why do you need to tell others to try other play styles?
People asking to Nerf Necro are also forgetting that with best in slot and an immaculate rotation (no grim/kalg) The best you can get at nakatra hard mode is 3:30 where with range camp you can get a sub 2. It's quite literally half as strong as range.
Combat 110 also incoming
Correct! 110 is coming and ranged IS better at the minmax level of players, which is a lot an extreme minority. Factor in accessibility of ranged. Bolg, unaugmented, is 2.2b~. Bis necro wep+Armour, unaugmented, is approximately the same price as a singular weapon for ranged and bolg isn't the win condition, there's so more requirements for ranged to work. THEN YOU GOTTA LEARN RANGED and necro doesn't teach the player how to transfer that knowledge bc it makes them complacent. This is all a bit much for a video game comment on an opinion but, at the end of the day, as long as people playing and having fun, all that matters. I just wanna see more people try other pieces of the game bc they're awesome.
Is there a video of sub 2 HM Nakatra done with Ranged camp? From what I looked up, fastest I can find is 2:04 and that's a world record which is in the extreme hardcore speedrunning time. Bold to assume the average joe with just BiS ranged can get sub 2 with Ranged based on the world record times even if sub 2 WR HM Nakatra with range camp existed.
I’ve seen a 2:34 naka with necro
You can definitely get sub 3 with optimal rotations on necro.
Tbh, the combat triangle (square now I guess) is in a good position now. Range at the higher skill ceiling is always better than necro. Necro is just noob friendly and allows for mid-level players to do high level bossing. Hybriding is also much higher dps than just necro camp, just depends on the effort you want to put in. It's brought a lot of people back to the game and overall, I think it's been a healthy addition to the game.
i agree! would love to see more people move away from it tho to try the other styles bc they're also fun
The first couple of minutes you mentioned Ironman. And honestly. I was pretty much max before necro. But the upgrade path for necro is just infinitely more streamlined for necro. It only makes sense. I genuinely do not think necro needs a nerf by any means. But should instead make it more streamlined to get upgrades for every other style. As an example. We can both agree that gconc is really good. Ya, well as an ironman, it can suck to get that. It took me 1100kc to get gconc. Just that example should give some insight as to why necro is so popular. Additionally, upkeep is pretty tedious. Need runes, ectoplasm and necroplasm to do the rituals in the first place. Just some thoughts.
ontop of this. BIS range, magic and melee should outdps BIS necro. Faster kills = less time taking damage = more survivability IMO
Great video as always dude, keep it up! ❤
This is my experience regarding necro - I've PVM'd on a max main for quite a long time (Been an rs player since 2003), and after the hit cap update it brought the other styles more in line with necro (Assuming you have BIS gear for all styles), the only exception being the player's pvm skill / dps rotation knowledge for doing great dps and sustainibility with necro is significantly lower than needed for the other combat styles. Which i'm sort of okay with because the large majority of the RS3 player base just isn't great at pvming and it allowed newer and less skilled players to start actually attempting the more endgame content, which I think is good for the health of the game.
However - I started playying a CGIM when it released back around October. There is a major issue with how strong the ghost susatin is and how easy it is to gear up for necromancy compared to the other styles. I tried my best to avoid becoming a necromancy slave because I find that boring. However, I reached a point where if you don't then you are literally playing the game handicaped. BECAUSE the easiest way to gear the other combat styles is to rush t90 necro gear and then just skip tons of mid/early-late game content and start farming t90 gear for the other styles. Even when reaching the end game you're better off just sitting in the green prison for 2k rasial kills to grab the t95 set before doing any other piece of pvm content essentially.
I've pondered the options of what Jagex could do to resolve these issues, but i'm honestly not sure what they could do. The best idea my group arrived to was essentially just making necromancy an elite combat skill. Which would make lots of people unhappy.
necro on ironman have higher req than any other combat style?? You cant just upgrade things. you need 85 crafting/smithing not countinging 80+ stats in all other combat styles to even get challenges done.
You can't say you aren't gonna dog people that use necromancy then proceed to talk shit about a dude that got a 1k enrage telos kill with necro. Necro is op. If you wana talk shit about people using necro thats fine just be straight about it
I ain't trying to be mean to everyone cause I get the appeal of necro but the dude I was talkin bout was pushing telos with ranged and realized necro was the easier route
@@edimmuz Let him then. That player doesn't have to play the game the way you think he does. If he doesn't want to invest thousands of hours trying to min max his account with a ranged setup or a fully switchscape setup they shouldn't have to. You basically complain the whole video to get to the point of " If I had to go through the game this way you should too."
Necro isn't so OP it makes the game unfun. The other combat styles not getting pushed up to necros level is the main problem. Maybe they should address the fact that if you want max damage ASAP you need to switchscape the bosses into oblivion. That is not fun for the 99% who play the game.
Honestly nerfing Necro anymore at this point will drive the rest of the player base out.
@ To be fair, it's not that "I suffered you suffer too" it's "why does this one combat style get these buffs and qol (the ghost, the natural less APM bc your minions do dmg, stronger basics at the get go) and the other styles don't? Then what happens when necro-one-trick timmy wants to try a new combat style? "omg i have to do way more to do way less dmg and i don't get healed every other second??? I'm switching back bc it's easier" necro was MADE TO INTRODUCE PEOPLE TO COMBAT then 90% of them only use one combat style. If you listened and paid attention, I do mention if you genuinely LOVE the combat style of necro, all you bro - go crazy, HAVE FUN. But if you FEEL like you gotta rely on necro, that's the problem. Doesn't seem like a doorway to combat when there's only one door in the hall.
They need to bring back OG FSOA and Magma Tempest
You realize necro isn’t even the highest dps class…it’s just the most accessible and easiest to play…combos are straightforward and tbh you don’t have the flexibility of other classes…why are you crying lol ranged and mage both higher dps rotations classes
I know it's not the strongest but APM wise and accessibility play a factor. Again, dont mind if people use it to begin with, it's people who NEVER try anything else
They are rebalancing the fletching levels soon. Whenever that happens, you won't have to worry about that Elder Shortbow requiring level 99 fletching if they do it by then.
thank goodness
necro is the easiest style but its also the lowest damage potential of all the styles currently, so nerfing necro of further buffing anything else wouldn't really make sense. It is the easiest style, the ghost healing is kind of overpowered in relation to other styles healing potential but at the same time necro having lower damage and a beginner style kind of makes sense to have a bit more healing
I would say the nerf to necromancy should be that threads of fate should only work on one target just like greater chain, and if you get a codex unlock it could go back to 3 hits over 6 seconds, or they could buff greater chain to be a 3.6 second duration (it has a shorter cooldown so making it hit 3 times like threads would be to strong)
I do agree that crafting armor and weapons for mage and range does need some type of rework but they did just add in a masterwork bow and range also has the strongest weapons in the game outside of crafting as well
I am a melee main so i do feel some jealousy over how tanky the other 3 styles are but i can also wipe out a boss 3x faster than necromancy and almost as fast as a ranged player, magic is the weakest of the 3 base styles but it still has higher damage potential than necromancy it just doesn't have the same amount of healing or tank potential, but that also got mitigated for all 3 styles by darkness being an ability that works with all 4 styles not just necromancy
just my opinion!
3:30 ironic after complaining about having to get 90 fletching on an Ironman lol
necro is low floor low seiling... you wont see a necromancer in the high enrage zamorak kills, the damage in the late game is just not competitive.
Youre right but enrage pushers are the 10%? Are the remaining 90% of combat users necrocampers?
1k... telos. the bar is soooo low already.
Other styles are already stronger than necro. World records for Nekatra are set with ranged and maged/melee brid setups, Necro is less damage, its just easier and more accessible to use. If you make the more afk method of using the og 3 styles stronger (so not fully juicing all arrow types, 10 melee switches etc.) to be on par with necro now, you will inevitably make the top end of those styles even more OP which is craaazy.
My thoughts exactly. Jagex wants you to skip to max, they deincentivize playing the game until level 80+ in most styles.
Also your discord link doesnt work in bio
fixed it!
necro is great for non sweaty casual dps make the other styles great again. we know u can do more dps with other styles if you pro type player doing 5k enrages but most of us be doing 500 enrage if that lol.
How did you get your ui to look all classic and brown like that
They nerf everything already its already nerfscape, i've tried range. ive tried everything cept max melee prolly. Is it worth the effort tho? I hate range honestly and counting arrows stacks.. games already boring when they nerf everything like they did to magic and range. Then necros deathskulls. At this point i haven't been doing combat because the game just nerf everything anyway makes you not want to engage with it. These combat achievements, seem unfair because people be bug abusing to get some kill times or achievements and they are already recorded.
As long as they set them at the current combat standard then I don't see much of a problem. Who cares if some sweaty nerd got a 30 sec rasial kill building on dummies before the op reaver nerf if the achievement only requires everyone to get a one minute kill for example. I surely don't lol
what layout is that? looks dope
you can enable the legacy look in the settings to get these results.
people play the way THEY want to, all i got to say. You dont need to use it if you dont want to. It is powerful, yes, but does it need a nerf. i dont think so.
@Bdye09 i do want people to play how they want but the overarching problem is if you're broke and can't afford the other styles to access harder/different content, they have to use necro to do it bc it's the gateway to combat
Chill bruh, I just used a shard of gen on my omni and lantern lmao
LMAO gz tho, huge upgrade!
Use to main range and now I main necro and im never turning back sorry🤣🤷🏾♂️
Holy ruck dude i gotta say that stream overlay fucking SMACKS
thank you!
the game is more than 20 years old. magic and ranged are also just as boring as necro when you have bis. the last time magic was fun was before the fsoa nerf now its so easy to PB with range and magic than necro. melee is the only skillful combat type.
why would u nerf necro? how about rework the other styles. melle needs to have way less abilites its way over bloated compred to the rest of the styles. the rest not so bad just need more buffinf in damage or add pets or somethign to the other combats. no reason to nerf anything.
Came back to RS3 because of Necro. I bought max melee (well, bought Vestments+Scythe) and didn't enjoy it. Bought max ranged (Bolg+elite draco) and just straight up don't understand the damage. I took necro to 0% arch glacor got a 44s kill. Took maxed range and got a 3:30 kill. There's almost no reason to even try other styles. Ranges takes a masters degree to understand. Melee seems really cool but the lack of attack range really limits wanting to do it. Mage, which used to be my favorite before I stopped playing originally (I stopped playing a couple months before Solak release) just seems ultra underpowered. So, what's the point in even trying to learn other styles when only Ranged (if you learn the rotations+7B worth of gear/swaps) is the only one that can out damage it.
exactly
Necro only seems so strong because how obtainable everything is..
Comment in the beginning of the video is also stupid. That’s like complaining about people having hex crest now but you had to farm it on task before. Shit changes we knew the philosophy they were going for when they made the skill it was to get new people into PVM and it works quite well. But if your good at the game you can well out class necro with other styles. I have an iron that I would not be playing if it wasn’t for necro. Just got t90 and zuk cape too now i actually want to play the game and make progress
I couldn't agree more. Makes everything I've accomplished with other styles feel irrelevant when I can smash my pbs with not even half the effort.
u dont learn the game as much if u necro at all places
@postifan1362 that's what I'm saying homie
Necro is fine
did you mean to say you wont dog on people using necro unless they are using it to kill bosses? because you are all nice about it until you mix necro and bossing into the talk. it sounds like you are more upset that other players are getting to do end game stuff without having to struggle like you might have in the past.....
Nah they can do bosses, that's fine. The point is that it literally makes it too easy. Less APM with better sustain and cheaper to access