Magik was the big hero of a movie though as well in the form of New Mutants. Heck even Evan Peters was in it as Cannonball I believe @AngrySonMetaphist
@@RaccRacing Dude, nobody saw New Mutants lmao, that doesn't count. Shit had literally less than half the box office of Madame Web and a third the box office of Morbius.
It doesn't contradict because it's said in a way that implies that despite it being over complicated, which remains a flaw, it still manages to do something good.
What max fails to see is that fps games require larger and more defined silhouettes so that players can identify the enemy from a distance. Fighting games can be a bit more nuanced in character design, but I gotta tell it’s Dr Strange from 45 meters.
Someone also pointed out that Stranges cape is also huge to help give him the silhouette of a tank without beefing up his physicality too much. He’s already the most built version of Strange we have seen afaik
I don't agree with some of his takes here, but one thing I do agree with him is that this is an art style where when it hits, it hits, and when it doesn't, it really doesn't.
@jencopy1239 I mean, half the guys in armor look bad, so that makes sense. Half the males in this are just WIDE, and not in a good way, and a bunch of them DO have overcomplicated power rangers armor. Cap really has no business being in baby iron man armor The girls on the other hand tend to have simpler, sleeker outfits. (So they can show off their curves but the end result is the same)
@@KaleRylan The problem is that that's exactly what makes some of his takes really inconsistent. Like, I can get over Power Ranger Hawkeye (generic as heck) and base Psylocke (good but not perfect) because they are outliers in that he specified they appeal to him specifically. But Hanzo knockoff Hawkeye a 10? And the Freefall skin that perfectly encapsulates the character just an 8? Or Loki, that is such a great encapsulation of the character's personality without being overly noisy, just an 8? Storm looks kind of cool but doesn't really have anything going for her, it's just a generic "cool" suit, 10; Black Panther, which respects the simplicity of the OG suit while adding just a tiny bit of details to make it look cooler, is somehow worse (actually, what's even the difference between Black Panther and Hela in that regard?). Mantis is a bit generic, but certainly not to the point of getting a 6. Moon Knight is _extremely_ overdesigned for a MK design, yet it gets a 9. Your take on the male character designs... I think I couldn't put it in better words. "Half the males are just WIDE, and not in a good way, and a bunch DO have overcomplicated power rangers armor" describes my feelings exactly (and especially agree with the Captain America take; its design just gives me Injustice 2 Superman Vietnam flashbacks). The problem is that Maximillian isn't really being consistent about it. One moment he's bashing down Doctor Strange for being overdesigned, and the one just prior he is praising Moon Knight or Hanzo Hawkeye for looking "cool af".
@LelouchRika Ironically I love this kind of game much more than fighting games. I love Max’s dedication to the genre but I’ve tried and failed so many times to get into that type of game fully.
@@LelouchRikayeah he’s kinda bubbled himself and doesn’t give games like this any real chance. I’ve come to realize this game is more of a fan service marvel experience rather than just a game. It has its own story and lore, and I foresee it having an ending rather than going on forever like most live service games.
15:10 For those of you that won't ever get this: this is a Rider Kick. Mantis is grasshopper themed and Kamen Riders are largely grasshopper themed transforming superheroes. Their finishing move is a flying kick that makes the villain explode, the Rider Kick.
I'm in deep now, but as someone who wasn't a toku nerd until like 6 months ago, it's crazy how much of this stuff would've went completely under my radar. The kamen rider references are everywhere, I literally had no clue what it was until I actually sat down and watched it.
Also him complaining about the big outward collar is hilarious when that's been an iconic part of Strange's design literally forever, including in the versus games.
Max has such weird taste. Psylocke default outfit - “WHOAHHH DUDE LASER BUTTERFLY SCARF THEY’RE REALLY PANDERING TO ME HERE” Psylocke default outfit - “uhhh basic ninja leotard but the neck is slightly altered? Eughhh, it’s so over complicated, they’re doing way too much here.” Like what lol
I kind of understand what he means. The scarf is pretty simple and nice to look at, while the neck holes are unnecessary and are just there to make it look like a butterfly. Although, I think the alt skin does look better than the default.
@@CS08129 space knight does objectively suck, even agent venom is more appealing. it basically stops being venom and its just some random buff armored space dude. boring and generic as shit.
@@samuraibeluga3749 eh I like the fact they made it more armored. Goes with the whole "Space Knight" name. Plus it's honestly more unique then the comic version
Max is such an old man now. "more than 2 colors? overcomplicated. A jean and a red shirt? overcomplicated. A butterfly in the classic psylocke outfit? overcomplicated. Hulk looks like every Hulk ever? Dont like it. Psylocke new outfit that is cool but really complicated? AWESOME IT LOOKS LIKE THE CHARACTERS I LIKED 30 YEARS AGO. The same old man vibes when he complained about Radahn having too much hair.
Nah he has a point about Psylocke's alt skin. The semi-random holes all over is just overly messy, like she's worn her skintight outfit too much and doesn't have another one. If it was just the butterfly I wouldn't mind it, but the sleeves are weird (one has a hole for the armpit, the other is missing and at an angle), there's other holes placed haphazardly... I wish they had just made it a solid piece and made designs on the material to accentuate the butterfly holes.
I feel like Max didn’t really consider why some designs aspects are there and what they represent. For exemple Magneto’s armor being roughed up and having lines in the metal going everywhere is probably because his armor was probably made of metal from a random building he decimated and he doesn’t care about looking clean or what others think of him as long as he can achieve his goals.
This one, u're absolutely right, sometimes i think lore benefits the design more, and I hope he sees that. But sometimes max's opinion is from him not knowing most of the stuff, even he acknowledge the venom space skin lore but still didnt like it.
@@soppe2931 Agreed. I think sometimes you need to appreciate a costume BECAUSE it's meant to be a very different one-off, like Cap's barbarian costume. Literally no one is saying 'that's cap,' so saying it's a bad cap costume cause it's not cap is kind of missing the point. That said, as much as I prefer Agent Venom for the most part, I did always feel the space knight venom was a mistake. It was bringing flash's venom too close to eddie's venom visually while still not being Eddie's venom. Kind of worst of all worlds. I personally think it hastened the end of Flash's tenure as venom, for which I'll always downgrade it a bit.
Different mentality/opinion: If you have to give me a paragraph as to why something is there, that may or may not look good with the rest of the design, then it shouldn't be there. I don't care about why something is there or what it represents if it takes away from the overall appeal of the look.
@@lepplayer93 Also agree, while lore benefits the design, firs impression what makes people hooked to the character more, but from max perspective (MVC3 and etc MVC) he does critique a lot to a point that he just doesnt like it, rather recognize anything unique, many people like Thor's bulky look and his outfit but somehow Max disagreed, my point is most Max opinion cater towards specific design of his mind, so us as a viewer seems to be weird when he says something bad about ironman or spiderman.
Something having lore reasons doesn't change it looking bad. I can put Spider-Man in a bright orange and lime green football uniform and write lore reasons for that but you're still gonna say it sucks XD
from this video, what i got from Max's taste is mostly rule of cool with a big like on ninja/samurai, while complete distaste for anything medievial with or without fantasy looking
Max I feel the need to point out the psylocke alt skin's hair cut is a traditional Japanese cut that's still pretty popular today called the "hime cut" in the west. You're free to not like it but I give the team props for that little extra dash of cultural infusion.
The reason the visual style and complexity varies greatly is bc some of the characters are explicitly from the future, Black Widow and Cap being the two main examples. You can think of some of them as 2099 versions of the characters
"Yea... I just think this Iron Fist design crosses over to much into the Shang-Chi territory"... ... ... ... Boy, do I have bad news for you about the actual canon lore of Iron Fist...
@Subpar1O1 yes, Lie Lin was introduced as Sword Master and then his sword broke and it's shards got stuck on his arms and he became the new Iron Fist after Danny lost his powers
I notice that most of the things you don't like about the characters are elements that only exist really to differentiate the characters' silhouettes from one another. Things that stick out, jut out, horns, high collared capes... things that make Doctor Strange not look like Magneto from afar and things like that. Those elements exist for gameplay reasons mostly.
@@MechaMan2012 i mean these character designs arent just for expert character designers to look at, the whole point is to appeal to consumers because if they dont like it then there goes 99% of your player base. i like most of the designs but saying "you need to be an EXPERT on character designing to understand why theyre good" would mean that they did a shitty job with the designs
It's not a huge deal but you're definitely biased towards MvC. The closer it looks to that the better. For example, I don't see what the problem with the gladiator Captain America skin. Hell yeah that's Cap. And you can't really say a costume doesn't "feel" like a character if it's literally from a comic book.
I looove the gladiator Cap personally even though I am not familiar with the comic of origin but I think that just comes with more familiarity with Marvel. I really want to try this game it just depends on a few factors where I am getting it, either my laptop or my playstation. I don't have ps+ so it all depends on if the game is playable without it or if my laptop can run the game.
Everyone's biased towards a certain style and look of these characters. To him, MvC nailed it the best. To other people it was an animated series, or a particular comic run, or a game from the 2000s, or a movie. And comics can get things wrong, it doesn't matter if something is from a comic. There've been X-Men comics that came out where I felt the redesign didn't feel like the character, you can't tell me you've thought every single design of every character in every comic felt perfectly suited to them, because that's insane.
There are so many times where I see concept art for a character that doesn't get into the final game or fan creations of costumes and this game kinda reminds me of those pieces. I love it
@@tristancampbell4941 I had no idea peach monoko was working on this. The psylocke design makes so much sense knowing this. She created a version of psylocke that looks like her in game design. She's an awesome comic book artist who does a lot of work for marvel. I'm going to spend so much money on whatever she designs lol
Magik’s punk goth design literally cemented her as one of Marvel’s top mutants, popularity-wise. It was already perfect, and Marvel Rivals made it even better. I also find it funny that Marvel tried to distance her from that design back in 2022, like they literally made an entire storyline just to change her outfit only to revert back recently to her punk goth outfit because of how timeless and iconic it is for her character.
I'm sorry to fans, because I know some of her oldest fans like that plot for having her finally come to terms with her past, but that's just not how these characters work. When a character runs on being edgy, you don't get to get rid of the edge.
Max’s view of “This doesn’t feel like the character” raises a discussion because where ARE we judging it from? Max has very specific tastes and opinions of the different Venom designs, but he has less to go for characters he’s unfamiliar. Particularly I liked that run of Cap when he got lost in the Savage Lands with a kid sidekick and I feel that’s what his He-Man costume is referencing. Sure it doesn’t FEEL like Cap based on who Cap is 99% of the time but in fighting games we’d normally mark out on weird and niche costume references like Phoenix Wright’s college outfit or Cyber Akuma: outfits that feel out of left field but are deep cuts.
I think Captain America's a good example with this one, because of exactly what he said: if they just had a Regular Captain America outfit it'd be fine, because the rest all feel like alts on an original that's not actually there; they'd be fun different takes, but without the original being there they lose something. Which I kind of understand, I like that this is a multiversal story that they're really leaning into that with, but sometimes you want to pick Iron Man without there being an asterisk next to it. And hell, some of those weird takes aren't weird enough: if 2099 Captain America is just 'regular Cap but with a laser shield', why are we even here?
Interesting to see someone who isn't really into Marvel and such opinions on the skins, but I'm in the same situation and think almost all of them look incredible.
@@Knull-ug3mi he's into Marvel VS CAPCOM. I wouldn't say he knows that much about Marvel in general outside of it and some of the movies. Maybe some x-men
Can't say I agree with all of Max's takes on the costumes. Especially when he says that certain costumes don't "look/feel like the character" when they're not supposed to be. Like Gladiator Cap ISN'T regular cap, its him from another universe, so it wouldn't look like him.
Right but in a video game especially a competitive one you should be able to see what character you’re fighting from across the map and I feel like w some of the skins in this game you really can’t tell
@@Paulmacellaro Yeah Im sure most gamers mistake a dude running around with a big ass shield, which he's throwing in your face, for Venom or Spider-Man. If you lack the ability to differentiate characters because they are wearing skins, you should not play it competitively in the first place.
@@Paulmacellaro This is not a good argument, most hero shooter have specific movement, abilities, these makes up for who they are, not skin. Look at kiriko deku's skin, i would've mistake her as tracer or juno, but somehow her holding piece of paper around and move in "ninja" way clearly shows who she is.
I don't think Max touches upon this but it looks like these alt skins are based off of designs from the comics. Under the flavor text for each skin you can find a "First Appears in..." that tells you where the skin originates from. Weird they didn't do that for some of the base designs, especially when some are clearly inspired by certain book's runs.
Some but not all are listed to first appear in this game because I think the lore is most of the characters are from different dimensions/timelines than the comic versions.
19:25 “He’s not loyal to any flag, country, or set of ideals. He doesn’t flinch as torture, human trafficking, or genocide. He trades blood for money. He’s your new best friend.”
Max, another thing about almost every costume: They are references to other works that Marvel has done, under each paragraph tells you when each costume was first seen and where
@@TamsinV and how's a red t-shirt, pants and a bag on his face complicated design? Dude does not even wear shoes, this is one of the simplest suites Spider-Man has and he says it's complicated did you even watch the video?
I think chat should've mentioned Magik in that sentence. When the comment is slow, people would think the chat was talking about Luna while it's obviously for Magik
I think he meant for overcomplicated design, is your eyes don't have immediate rest point due to busy elements of the costume. Meanwhile moonknight,s is overall white and your eyes can rest properly on any part of the costume.
@ his mask and chest are the only good parts, the rest of the suit is all completely unnecessary. i think the only thing that carries that fit is the mask. without it people would prolly think its ass
That isn't true at all. He loves a lot of things that are esoteric, including a lot of things you haven't heard of. This is just judging from personal perspective like we all do.
@@TamsinV Idk man you can go watch all of his rate costume videos and if its not Either A. a 1:1 of the original design or B. Very boring simple design with like maybe 2 colors that arent mega bright he'll never give something over a 6. Max and a lot of the boys tastes are...traditional? The only time he deviates is if a characters design plays towards his love for strider lol.
complicated costumes get worse when you think about the fact that it's supposed to be clothing and combat suit. take magneto for example, pretty simple overall, just some slightly busy lines that don't need to be there and the whole crowning of his helmet feels extra but not horrible. then you notice a lil dangling like key chain on his right chest, what is that? why is that there? what purpose does it serve? it doesn't add anything to the look, it's probably annoying to hear when he walks or flys. it's unnecessarily complicated for the sake of being complex
There's a very fine line between complicated and overdesigned. Captain America's default suit is (in my opinion) overdesigned and very busy, but I love his Galactic Talon suit.
theres is such a thing as visual noise. its always gonna be subjective but to me for example, i agree it really can ruin potentially good designs. its also gets to a point where you add so much shit it loses the iconography of the character itself.
A more powerful design is one where your eye doesn't have to focus on too many things at once. For a simple example, look at Superman or Batman. The logo on their chest is the thing that draws towards your eye, and for Batman it's then the eyes. The rest of the costume is a clean blend of two colors. Guilty Gear Strive is a good philosophy of strong character design in my opinion if you wanna take inspiration. Especially when you compare it to older games.
Over complicated means something is added for complexity in meaningless ways in both utility and aesthetics, and actually become a detriment to the overall style.
If you're a lover of the comics, I wager most of these alt costumes are solid 10s. If you're not... well then I guess you'd think some of these costumes don't do the characters justice lol.
Watched this live. I fear Max’s nostalgia got the better of him here. Like I don’t understand why the Psylocke skin needed to be a 1 to 1 to traditional Psylocke but the default skin was praised due to it resembling two of his fav capcom characters He would constantly state how cool a character looked but then in the same breath say he didn’t like the design. He generalizing a bunch of them as WoW like because (Magik) and kept defaulting to 6/10s because he didn’t love one or two elements of a design.
I also felt like he didn't fully understand the entire point of alternate skins in games like this. He's like "this alternate costume doesn't feel like the original character." Like...yeah? That's the point sometimes? I don't think people would be happy if every single skin was similar to the base skin design with minor changes. Like he praised psylocke's default, which is an entirely different version of the character just because it resembled capcom characters he liked, but he shit on other cool skins that were NOT the defaults because they "didn't look like the original character design"
Its just his opinion and score dude, it makes sense to him; Those small details he didn't like? Thats a -2 each for him What do you not understand? It is just his personal taste, whether anybody considers it a good take or not.
Mohawk Storm was the Storm I grew up with via backissues. Always the best. But this takes it up a notch by working music appreciation into the punk look’s animation. Always felt like that part of her wild side didn’t get enough attention. Love it.
You know I never been a huge fan of Mohawk Storm, being a fan of longer hair and all, but the crazy braided mullet thing she’s got going is the perfect happy medium for me
"That coat is sentient and you need to control it." "I think I would think the design is cool if it wasn't strange." Buddy. Pal. Friend. IT'S DOCTOR STRANGE. THOSE STATEMENTS ARE CORRECT, THAT IS THE POINT.
you just sound dumb. stop talking.... you sound like you are drunk and dont know what da fook you are even saying... and no hes talking about hes Older design. you would know this if you were truly a marvel fan.. but you just sound like someone who only acts like he knows what hes saying.. just pleast stop talking and do some actual research. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@bui3415 Of course because adding a fucking Dimetrodon, the first Olympic Games and the Spanish Inquisition in my 2099 futuristic setting makes more sense
@@soppe2931 It's not about looking futuristic, it's about looking overly busy. Some of the designs are definitely distracting with where the "loudest" elements draw attention to
Dude has no clue about character design and silhouettes. A bodysuit with 4 small cuts on the neck is bad and overcomplicated but pants, shirt, undershirt, beight red scarf that fades into magenta animated butterflies, brown hair with purple tips and a magenta holographic crossbow on the wrist is peak
26:49 you can tell bro has only seen the MCU movies, that’s basically Dr. Strange’s design in the comics, and his cloak is literally sentient. Smh 🤦♂️ 🤣
For someone who's known for being a MVC Fanboy, he REALLY doesn't know his Marvel... Wait scratch that, he called himself a "Capcomhead" but yet he didn't finish Dead Rising Yep, he's a normie
@gamemax1049 I understand that he doesn't like Spider-Man's main costume in this game, but he doesn't like any of the others and even says that they are exaggerating with the Bag Man skin
@@bolthesorcerer3570 they all are, but he talks as if the costumes don't suit them or something, there's the name and a simple description on the side and he doesn't even bother taking 2 seconds to read it and think better about what the costume wants to represent
Genuinely Max could probably appreciate every single one of these skins more if he just read the characteristic tags that said which comics each skin is from. Like you can not like any of these skins, but to say "they don't look good in this GAME" is crazy since they're ALL from the comics lmfao. Idk you'd think from a guy that likes MVC so much, he'd know more and appreciate the comics looks more but I mean to each their own. It's just when he says "This doesn't feel like [INSERT MARVEL CHARACTER HERE] to me," it just feels like he hasn't read a comic run in 20 years lol
Jesus man, this art style would perfect for a Marvel vs. Capcom 4, I’m just imagining what Ryu or Strider or Mega Man would look like in this, it’d be Hype Rage.
For those who dont watch Max's streams, he's already played some games of Marvel rivals but lost interest in it quite fast. The hero shooter genre just isn't for him. Stuff like the cooldowns is something he didn't like. I cant remember what other critiques he had.
Another one is about how the dynamic visuals didn't translate into gameplay which is comparatively muted. It's just the reality of 3rd person shooter in pvp games
He goes about it more in-depth during stream, but games like this just makes him wish it was a fighting game instead. Because the dynamic presentation is moreso integrated into the actual gameplay in that genre. He values seeing his characters able to do cool stuff within the player's control.
I feel like so many costume designs for Spider-Man try and “reinvent the wheel”, so to speak. All that usually happens is that it looks complicated and over-designed because Spidey’s costume already has a lot going on, so adding a lot more to try and stand out just falls flat imo.
the characters turning their head towards you when you rotate the models blew my BALLS off when i noticed it bro the presentation for this game needs to be studied
the guys at netease went above and beyond with this game.. Did you notice when the match starts, ESPECIALLY on the spider map, every character has an animation where they get pulled in the web by spiderman or something? They didn't need to have all those extra animations, and yet they did.. and their designs are peak character design all over. just completely amazing.. And the skins are still a bit expensive for my taste, 10 should be the price, but tbh, I'll buy a few every now and then at 16 bucks. They're really worth it
Character has an alt outfit where the design is directly lifted from one of their comic and movie outfits and is extremely accurate (e.g. Spider-Man's No Way Home Outfit) Max: "Ehh just doesn't really feel like them to me." 6/10 Like I dunno how you can get more Doctor Strange than one of Doctor Strange's actual outfits.
Love max. And while I agreed with him I think mostly a lot his opinions annoyed the shit out of me because a lot of it felt like at least in the video was obvious he doesn't know what some look like outside the movies or an era he liked that character in.
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"Blue and yellow doesn't work."
- Max, a *CAPCOM* fan.
LMAO
… for star lords costume. Its giving regal so I agree
@@patrickli7894 the joke is about the capcom logo
The blue and gold is technically his original color scheme in the comics. Max gotta do research.😂
AND wolverine fan
Max continuing the running gag of insulting the hair of any character that vaguely looks like him lol
He telling on himself
Like Wolverine?
Projection
@@fernandozavaletabustos205 Adam Warlock and Troubleshooter (from DNF Duel) lol
He just can't stand when people don't get his 'do *exactly* right
Hes definitely gonna play off screen
Think he already has on stream
He played on screen, he's not a fan, lol.
He tried about 3 games and said he had fun but that it wasn't for him. He doesn't like cooldowns
Also playing Rankeds when no one can see him
He sucks
What ungodly mixture of comics familiarity do you have to have to not know who Magik is but somehow know The Maxx
Don't forget The Maxx had a TV show. That's 10/0 as far as exposure goes.
"What ungodly mixture of comics familiarity"
Uh... ... ... mine?
Marvel vs capcom familiarity
But where he got The Maxx… same name?
Magik was the big hero of a movie though as well in the form of New Mutants. Heck even Evan Peters was in it as Cannonball I believe @AngrySonMetaphist
@@RaccRacing Dude, nobody saw New Mutants lmao, that doesn't count. Shit had literally less than half the box office of Madame Web and a third the box office of Morbius.
“Iron fist 6/10 looks like he’s crossing over into Shang Chi stuff.” Dude this iteration of Iron Fist was literally trained by Shang Chi 😂😂😂
Figures as much. Even I accidentally called him Shang Chi at some point. I’m actually a fan of Iron Fists design in this game
@ as a hardcore Iron Fist comic book fan I absolutely love his design 😅
Without being familiar with this version of Iron Fist, I legitimately thought it WAS Shang chi when I first saw him
"Were you expecting Danny Rand?"
@@DanteRU0312 don’t know anout OP but I haven’t really been keeping up with comics that much, so pretty much yeah.
This whole video summarized:
"Overcomplicated don't like it"
"Overcomplicated but good"
Also:
“Simple dont like it”
“Simple but good”
It doesn't contradict because it's said in a way that implies that despite it being over complicated, which remains a flaw, it still manages to do something good.
Both can be true guys
Both things can happen. Its just a matter of how a design is executed
I had a better time watching TBSkyen, Crimentia / Matt McMuscles and Kinkymation's videos about the characters design.
Stranges cape literally HAS sentience
That was an invention of the movies tho
@@RoyalKnightVIII And? they literally still use the idea in the what if series... Also some of the characters have movie skins in the game 💀
Your mom has sentience
Not in the comics. It's not that sentient.
@@SoraRaida its 1 for 1 like that in the comics
Take a shot everytime Max says overcomplicated
I'd be dead
@@athernandez666🪦
Literally getting straight up alcohol poisoning
Bro such an underrated comment. Lmao 😭 🤣 😭
To be fair, a lot of the characters have overdone redesigns in this game.
What max fails to see is that fps games require larger and more defined silhouettes so that players can identify the enemy from a distance. Fighting games can be a bit more nuanced in character design, but I gotta tell it’s Dr Strange from 45 meters.
Someone also pointed out that Stranges cape is also huge to help give him the silhouette of a tank without beefing up his physicality too much. He’s already the most built version of Strange we have seen afaik
could you identify winter soldier on his skin from 45 meters?
@@Maciej_Płóciennik yeah, cause no one else in the game wearing military green clothing with a silver arm
@@Lordrockerkiller im talking about his skin
Winter Soldier has damage fall-off at 45 meters.
This is one of the times i can say max had alot of bad takes.
I don't agree with some of his takes here, but one thing I do agree with him is that this is an art style where when it hits, it hits, and when it doesn't, it really doesn't.
He literally dogs on the guys with armor ans glazed every girl skin
He's a design expert now that he's worked on a fan mod, don't ya know?
@jencopy1239 I mean, half the guys in armor look bad, so that makes sense.
Half the males in this are just WIDE, and not in a good way, and a bunch of them DO have overcomplicated power rangers armor. Cap really has no business being in baby iron man armor
The girls on the other hand tend to have simpler, sleeker outfits. (So they can show off their curves but the end result is the same)
@@KaleRylan The problem is that that's exactly what makes some of his takes really inconsistent.
Like, I can get over Power Ranger Hawkeye (generic as heck) and base Psylocke (good but not perfect) because they are outliers in that he specified they appeal to him specifically.
But Hanzo knockoff Hawkeye a 10? And the Freefall skin that perfectly encapsulates the character just an 8? Or Loki, that is such a great encapsulation of the character's personality without being overly noisy, just an 8? Storm looks kind of cool but doesn't really have anything going for her, it's just a generic "cool" suit, 10; Black Panther, which respects the simplicity of the OG suit while adding just a tiny bit of details to make it look cooler, is somehow worse (actually, what's even the difference between Black Panther and Hela in that regard?). Mantis is a bit generic, but certainly not to the point of getting a 6. Moon Knight is _extremely_ overdesigned for a MK design, yet it gets a 9.
Your take on the male character designs... I think I couldn't put it in better words. "Half the males are just WIDE, and not in a good way, and a bunch DO have overcomplicated power rangers armor" describes my feelings exactly (and especially agree with the Captain America take; its design just gives me Injustice 2 Superman Vietnam flashbacks). The problem is that Maximillian isn't really being consistent about it. One moment he's bashing down Doctor Strange for being overdesigned, and the one just prior he is praising Moon Knight or Hanzo Hawkeye for looking "cool af".
Bro really said a dude wearing jeans, a red t-shirt and a paper bag on his head is overcomplicated.
Compare to the classic spiderman suit it kind of is.
Those jeans were way over complicated
bro also said Dr.strange’s cloak was too big…forgetting that it was ALWAYS that big, even from MVC3. Max has some nuclear takes lol
@@None38389 i guess let's just release 500 different recolored classic spiderman suit then?
@@SsjHokagehonestly when i look to those pants i think of kim's pants and it instantly bumps my rating 1 point above (and the paper bag is hilarious)
Max's insistence that he's never going to play this game feels like hardcore foreshadowing that he's going to eventually break and play this game
He tried it for 3 matches. It wasn't for him and he just wishes it was a fighting game.
@LelouchRika Ironically I love this kind of game much more than fighting games. I love Max’s dedication to the genre but I’ve tried and failed so many times to get into that type of game fully.
@@LelouchRika That tracks. It's not for everyone.
@@LelouchRikaIronically the same way the general public dismisses fighting games for being "too complicated"
@@LelouchRikayeah he’s kinda bubbled himself and doesn’t give games like this any real chance. I’ve come to realize this game is more of a fan service marvel experience rather than just a game. It has its own story and lore, and I foresee it having an ending rather than going on forever like most live service games.
15:10 For those of you that won't ever get this: this is a Rider Kick. Mantis is grasshopper themed and Kamen Riders are largely grasshopper themed transforming superheroes. Their finishing move is a flying kick that makes the villain explode, the Rider Kick.
That’s some good lore right there ty
Def more of a zero one rider kick too. I love the rider skin so much.
As a toku nerd, I'm grinding the battle pass so I can main her with the skin
YES! I knew I noticed some Kamen Rider influence.
I'm in deep now, but as someone who wasn't a toku nerd until like 6 months ago, it's crazy how much of this stuff would've went completely under my radar. The kamen rider references are everywhere, I literally had no clue what it was until I actually sat down and watched it.
"The coat has gained sentience" he says about Dr. Strange's sentient coat
Also him complaining about the big outward collar is hilarious when that's been an iconic part of Strange's design literally forever, including in the versus games.
@@EpsilonKnight2 he clearly doesnt know most of this characters
Not sentient in the comics
extremely overdesigned and overcomplicated : 6/10
extremely overdesigned and overcomplicated (but looks like strider hiryu) : 10/10
Max has such weird taste.
Psylocke default outfit - “WHOAHHH DUDE LASER BUTTERFLY SCARF THEY’RE REALLY PANDERING TO ME HERE”
Psylocke default outfit - “uhhh basic ninja leotard but the neck is slightly altered? Eughhh, it’s so over complicated, they’re doing way too much here.”
Like what lol
I kind of understand what he means. The scarf is pretty simple and nice to look at, while the neck holes are unnecessary and are just there to make it look like a butterfly. Although, I think the alt skin does look better than the default.
You cant denonuce for objectivism in subjective topic of taste.
He's a big Strider fan, her base outfit is literally Strider
Almost to the point that it felt like he was looking for reasons to give things lower scores.
@@vinniegret4841you absolutely can if their inconsistent
I bust out laughing as Venom is doing all this cool stuff in the background and Max is trying to find fault in the design 😭
And the hate for the updated Space Knight look
@@CS08129 space knight does objectively suck, even agent venom is more appealing. it basically stops being venom and its just some random buff armored space dude. boring and generic as shit.
"this is really good" yeall really be trying to paint it like he hated it huh?....
@@samuraibeluga3749 eh I like the fact they made it more armored. Goes with the whole "Space Knight" name. Plus it's honestly more unique then the comic version
@@CS08129 i aint gonna argue tastes, not really intending on shitting on anyones cake, but to me it just simply isnt venom.
One of the few times I almost completely disagree with Max.
same he really was just unfair in some
I agree with almost every single one of them
Same here
I would give my opinion on his take but it’s rather “overcomplicated”
“That cape has grown sentience”
Who’s gonna tell him
Max is such an old man now. "more than 2 colors? overcomplicated. A jean and a red shirt? overcomplicated. A butterfly in the classic psylocke outfit? overcomplicated. Hulk looks like every Hulk ever? Dont like it. Psylocke new outfit that is cool but really complicated? AWESOME IT LOOKS LIKE THE CHARACTERS I LIKED 30 YEARS AGO. The same old man vibes when he complained about Radahn having too much hair.
Nah he has a point about Psylocke's alt skin. The semi-random holes all over is just overly messy, like she's worn her skintight outfit too much and doesn't have another one. If it was just the butterfly I wouldn't mind it, but the sleeves are weird (one has a hole for the armpit, the other is missing and at an angle), there's other holes placed haphazardly... I wish they had just made it a solid piece and made designs on the material to accentuate the butterfly holes.
This isn't "old man vibes", this is superheroes having iconic designs, many of which are ruined by changes made in this game.
He said the bagman outfit was complicated for a red hoodie, which it was. Not that it was a complicated outfit.
@@ChargeQMna he doesn’t buddy 😂
@@fabolousjada5070yes he does lil bro. just because you wasted your money on the skin doesn’t make it automatically good 😂
Saying Adam Warlock’s hair is stupid then cutting to a close up of Max’s head was so funny
His editors know when to have fun.
Max has.. intresting tastes.
Interesting indeed
He clearly likes very simple outfits and these devs like to really be "creative". The closer they look to mvc characters the better the score 😂
bro loves the color red and blonde hair
@@Cookietrianglei wonder why😂😂
@@GirthCheck A simple look is a clean look. That said, you can be creative AND clean. A lot of the designs in this game can be a bit... Noisy.
26:47 "That coat has grown sentience and you need to control it."
I mean, yeah, that's kinda Dr. Strange's thing lol
Weird he said that considering he's a Spawn fan.
Not in the comics though. MCU Cloak is full sentient.
@@SoraRaida Most people playing this are coming off of the MCU though, and the devs know this.. So most people...assume it's still sentient.
@@Essu_ Which bugs me because they have an issue with Max's statement when their own comment is wrong too
@@SoraRaidathey aren't tho it is his thing in the MCU
I feel like Max didn’t really consider why some designs aspects are there and what they represent. For exemple Magneto’s armor being roughed up and having lines in the metal going everywhere is probably because his armor was probably made of metal from a random building he decimated and he doesn’t care about looking clean or what others think of him as long as he can achieve his goals.
This one, u're absolutely right, sometimes i think lore benefits the design more, and I hope he sees that. But sometimes max's opinion is from him not knowing most of the stuff, even he acknowledge the venom space skin lore but still didnt like it.
@@soppe2931 Agreed. I think sometimes you need to appreciate a costume BECAUSE it's meant to be a very different one-off, like Cap's barbarian costume. Literally no one is saying 'that's cap,' so saying it's a bad cap costume cause it's not cap is kind of missing the point.
That said, as much as I prefer Agent Venom for the most part, I did always feel the space knight venom was a mistake. It was bringing flash's venom too close to eddie's venom visually while still not being Eddie's venom. Kind of worst of all worlds. I personally think it hastened the end of Flash's tenure as venom, for which I'll always downgrade it a bit.
Different mentality/opinion: If you have to give me a paragraph as to why something is there, that may or may not look good with the rest of the design, then it shouldn't be there. I don't care about why something is there or what it represents if it takes away from the overall appeal of the look.
@@lepplayer93 Also agree, while lore benefits the design, firs impression what makes people hooked to the character more, but from max perspective (MVC3 and etc MVC) he does critique a lot to a point that he just doesnt like it, rather recognize anything unique, many people like Thor's bulky look and his outfit but somehow Max disagreed, my point is most Max opinion cater towards specific design of his mind, so us as a viewer seems to be weird when he says something bad about ironman or spiderman.
Something having lore reasons doesn't change it looking bad. I can put Spider-Man in a bright orange and lime green football uniform and write lore reasons for that but you're still gonna say it sucks XD
looking at comic book costumes and saying “that doesn’t feel like this character”… it’s literally from the comics
Max skipping Anti-Venom broke my heart.
he looked at it later, said it was amazing
@@zootzoot667he did not say it was amazing.
He said, "it's literally just a recolor I don't care"
He did said that he liked anti-venom after checking it with more detail
@@ThyPegasussy He said it's really cool even if a recolor. *LATER* In that stream, comoooon.... Reading comprehension.
It really needs the attack animations to be white imo
from this video, what i got from Max's taste is mostly rule of cool with a big like on ninja/samurai, while complete distaste for anything medievial with or without fantasy looking
Pretty much nailed it, the man has history not been one for high fantasy based stuff a lot of the time.
Max I feel the need to point out the psylocke alt skin's hair cut is a traditional Japanese cut that's still pretty popular today called the "hime cut" in the west. You're free to not like it but I give the team props for that little extra dash of cultural infusion.
It's ironic because he literally has an Asian wife.
@@twistedgambit9084 Asian isnt synonymous with Japanese
cuz he is no man of culture
It's literally her hairstyle in the comics lmao
Boa Hancock ahh haircut
Ya know, i'm starting to think that maybe Max's opinions are the ones that are 'over complicated"
I'm confused, what is he comparing these to? In some cases, like Dr. Strange, it feels like he's expecting some kind of different Dr. Strange.
The reason the visual style and complexity varies greatly is bc some of the characters are explicitly from the future, Black Widow and Cap being the two main examples. You can think of some of them as 2099 versions of the characters
Ahh so that's why those interactions make some sense in game
Everyones impression of Squirrel Girl.... "Damn she is thicc"
Wrong franchise, but *this is the way.*
She thiccer than Wolverine's sideburns
“Rate it you freak.”
Well she needs to get everyone's nuts
She is
"Yea... I just think this Iron Fist design crosses over to much into the Shang-Chi territory"...
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Boy, do I have bad news for you about the actual canon lore of Iron Fist...
Does he know? I doubt he does lmao
What's the lore? I really thought it was Shang Chi but apparently it's Swordmaster who became the new Iron Fist?
@Subpar1O1 yes, Lie Lin was introduced as Sword Master and then his sword broke and it's shards got stuck on his arms and he became the new Iron Fist after Danny lost his powers
And Danny died in comics August of this year
@@gamerzilla6113 comic book characters come back every other week ( except for Uncle Ben or from invincible)
At this point a circle is over complicated
I notice that most of the things you don't like about the characters are elements that only exist really to differentiate the characters' silhouettes from one another. Things that stick out, jut out, horns, high collared capes... things that make Doctor Strange not look like Magneto from afar and things like that.
Those elements exist for gameplay reasons mostly.
Wolverine going Super Saiyan is my favorite part of this game
More like Kaioken
@Iwillone yeah I thought that too, at first, but his hair gets bigger like Super Saiyan does
@Iwillone also Super Saiyan is just funnier to me
"So Long Bub!"
"KAIOKEN 20X!"
@@ChildlikeMan So like... a super kaioken?
I give Max's tastes 7 out of 10
6/10 for me
The way he disrespected the best looking Venom since Spider-Man 2 and Agent Venom.
Come on dude!
@@gamemax1049 fr fr man
idk...it seemed a bit overcomplicated if you ask me
I give it a 4-5/10 ngl judging seemed to over complicated
@@MechaMan2012 i mean these character designs arent just for expert character designers to look at, the whole point is to appeal to consumers because if they dont like it then there goes 99% of your player base. i like most of the designs but saying "you need to be an EXPERT on character designing to understand why theyre good" would mean that they did a shitty job with the designs
Is Max going to go the rest of his life thinking Luna Snow is Colossus’s sister when that’s Magik.
Ikr. Neither he nor his chat know what tf they are talking about 😂
@Spiritbomb88 Chat knew what they were talking about, the message was just slow and he read it when he was on Luna.
His chat corrected it and he realized a few seconds after on stream they just cut that out for yt.
Ummm no Magik is Colossus Wife
@@dianceperez8540 wrong
I'm gonna have to rate Max's opinions as a 4.1/10
It's not a huge deal but you're definitely biased towards MvC. The closer it looks to that the better. For example, I don't see what the problem with the gladiator Captain America skin. Hell yeah that's Cap.
And you can't really say a costume doesn't "feel" like a character if it's literally from a comic book.
I looove the gladiator Cap personally even though I am not familiar with the comic of origin but I think that just comes with more familiarity with Marvel. I really want to try this game it just depends on a few factors where I am getting it, either my laptop or my playstation.
I don't have ps+ so it all depends on if the game is playable without it or if my laptop can run the game.
@alexdoorn234 Every free game is playable without ps plus 👌
Everyone's biased towards a certain style and look of these characters. To him, MvC nailed it the best. To other people it was an animated series, or a particular comic run, or a game from the 2000s, or a movie. And comics can get things wrong, it doesn't matter if something is from a comic. There've been X-Men comics that came out where I felt the redesign didn't feel like the character, you can't tell me you've thought every single design of every character in every comic felt perfectly suited to them, because that's insane.
There are so many times where I see concept art for a character that doesn't get into the final game or fan creations of costumes and this game kinda reminds me of those pieces. I love it
I have the same feeling, felt like the artist locked in and no disney CEO had to hold them back.
Dude the artist cooked hard, who's the lead artist or designer of this game?
@@Khn_2102 It gave me the names Dino Ma (Art Director) and Peach Momoko. I could be wrong, though
@@tristancampbell4941 The problem is I can't find Dino Ma's socials
@@tristancampbell4941 I had no idea peach monoko was working on this. The psylocke design makes so much sense knowing this. She created a version of psylocke that looks like her in game design. She's an awesome comic book artist who does a lot of work for marvel. I'm going to spend so much money on whatever she designs lol
Take a shot every time Max gives a character a 6/10.
@muovikallo i'd be in the ICU before i even finish the video
We'd all be done a quarter into the video
Take a shot every time Max skips a costume.
@@Macgyver145 Recolors don't count
Magik’s punk goth design literally cemented her as one of Marvel’s top mutants, popularity-wise.
It was already perfect, and Marvel Rivals made it even better.
I also find it funny that Marvel tried to distance her from that design back in 2022, like they literally made an entire storyline just to change her outfit only to revert back recently to her punk goth outfit because of how timeless and iconic it is for her character.
When you change perfection, you have to change it back.
I'm sorry to fans, because I know some of her oldest fans like that plot for having her finally come to terms with her past, but that's just not how these characters work. When a character runs on being edgy, you don't get to get rid of the edge.
"That shit has grown sentience" HIS CAPE *IS* SENTIENT
Goddamn max Is such a negative presence with these costumes.
Max’s view of “This doesn’t feel like the character” raises a discussion because where ARE we judging it from? Max has very specific tastes and opinions of the different Venom designs, but he has less to go for characters he’s unfamiliar. Particularly I liked that run of Cap when he got lost in the Savage Lands with a kid sidekick and I feel that’s what his He-Man costume is referencing.
Sure it doesn’t FEEL like Cap based on who Cap is 99% of the time but in fighting games we’d normally mark out on weird and niche costume references like Phoenix Wright’s college outfit or Cyber Akuma: outfits that feel out of left field but are deep cuts.
Theres also the case of "This doesn't feel like the character" comments were all towards the costumes directly lifted from the comics or movies.
@@Clamfaced "blue and yellow doesn't work" meanwhile, the original star-lord outfit color scheme...
@@StriderHoang Maximilian "If it's not MVC1 then is trash" Dood
Ladies and Gentlemen
I think Captain America's a good example with this one, because of exactly what he said: if they just had a Regular Captain America outfit it'd be fine, because the rest all feel like alts on an original that's not actually there; they'd be fun different takes, but without the original being there they lose something.
Which I kind of understand, I like that this is a multiversal story that they're really leaning into that with, but sometimes you want to pick Iron Man without there being an asterisk next to it. And hell, some of those weird takes aren't weird enough: if 2099 Captain America is just 'regular Cap but with a laser shield', why are we even here?
Gladiator Captain America is actually from the 2015 Secret Wars one of the many tie ins and his sidekick is the Devil Dinossaur.
Interesting to see someone who isn't really into Marvel and such opinions on the skins, but I'm in the same situation and think almost all of them look incredible.
Max is into marvel. Where did you get that from? He doesn't like that the game is a hero shooter. He wants it to be a fighting game
@@Knull-ug3mi he's into Marvel VS CAPCOM. I wouldn't say he knows that much about Marvel in general outside of it and some of the movies. Maybe some x-men
@@ZariLutus he does know especially x-men
@@Knull-ug3mi False LOL. He didn't even knew who Magik was. Guy never touched an X-Men comic in his life and it shows.
@@Knull-ug3mi Max has openly said on a multitude of times that he doesnt know even half as much about Marvel as he does Capcom
Max when a character has more then 2 colors or 2 pieces of clothing: 🤢
Someone show him the Concord designs
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Yeah maybe max wasn’t the target audience for this😭
Max's overuse and reliance of "complicated" negates whatever his opinion is
That's probably because this game overuses complicated design
Can't say I agree with all of Max's takes on the costumes. Especially when he says that certain costumes don't "look/feel like the character" when they're not supposed to be. Like Gladiator Cap ISN'T regular cap, its him from another universe, so it wouldn't look like him.
I would go as far as saying gladiator cap looking like He-Man IS the selling point.
Right but in a video game especially a competitive one you should be able to see what character you’re fighting from across the map and I feel like w some of the skins in this game you really can’t tell
@@Paulmacellaro Yeah Im sure most gamers mistake a dude running around with a big ass shield, which he's throwing in your face, for Venom or Spider-Man.
If you lack the ability to differentiate characters because they are wearing skins, you should not play it competitively in the first place.
@@Paulmacellaro This is not a good argument, most hero shooter have specific movement, abilities, these makes up for who they are, not skin. Look at kiriko deku's skin, i would've mistake her as tracer or juno, but somehow her holding piece of paper around and move in "ninja" way clearly shows who she is.
Yea the only character I think this is a thing for is Magneto, bc in the game I genuinely thought it was Ultron who isn't even in the game (yet)
14:22 Max giving my boy moon knight a 9/10 what I like to see thank you
I don't think Max touches upon this but it looks like these alt skins are based off of designs from the comics. Under the flavor text for each skin you can find a "First Appears in..." that tells you where the skin originates from. Weird they didn't do that for some of the base designs, especially when some are clearly inspired by certain book's runs.
Some but not all are listed to first appear in this game because I think the lore is most of the characters are from different dimensions/timelines than the comic versions.
So it’s either “too complicated” or “too generic” 🤣
19:25 “He’s not loyal to any flag, country, or set of ideals. He doesn’t flinch as torture, human trafficking, or genocide. He trades blood for money. He’s your new best friend.”
For anyone interested, many of the characters skins revolve about the idea of the Multiverse. It is ok for them to feel and look weird.
Max, another thing about almost every costume: They are references to other works that Marvel has done, under each paragraph tells you when each costume was first seen and where
If you took a shot for every time he says the word "overcomplicated", you would be dead before you even hit the 5 minute mark
Almost none of the costumes you claim are "over-complicated", actually are.
And glazes actual over complicated skins like moon knight 😂
You must have zero idea what that word means, then
yeah lol
Max be like
"this Spider-Man design is overcomplicated, this skin is a 6
This hella design is overcomplicated, this skin is a 10"
I see he has a certain things for the female characters 😂
Tbf hela is always overcomplicated. Spiderman has some classically simple costumes.
To be fair Hela is almost always like that especially her helmet and horns. They gave her a bit of a remake that made her look really good though.
Because overcomplicated works for Hela but doesn't work for Spider-Man, how is this hard to understand
@@TamsinV and how's a red t-shirt, pants and a bag on his face complicated design?
Dude does not even wear shoes, this is one of the simplest suites Spider-Man has and he says it's complicated did you even watch the video?
18:14 Luna Snow is not Colossus’ sister, Magik is.
L chat 🤦🏻♂️
I think chat should've mentioned Magik in that sentence. When the comment is slow, people would think the chat was talking about Luna while it's obviously for Magik
God I was like she's Korean HELP
I corrected him later in chat. He knows, don't worry.
I don't understand how you can have read ANY X-Men comics in your life and not know who Magik is.
Coolest outfit in the game "Yeah ill give it a six"
Which is cool?
@youngdolph8867 yeah like I'd rather new takes that kinda go wild than just "here's the classic spiderman outfit again"
@@bui3415 Mantis and Magik
@@Braxenimos Magiks skin is pretty mid tho. It is literally just a white armor, meanwhile her base look is god amazing
@@nihilityv I disagree. It’s my favorite skin in the game by far
u cant yap about everyones skins being "over complicated" then give moonknight a 9 lmao. bro has the most complicated skin in the game
I think he meant for overcomplicated design, is your eyes don't have immediate rest point due to busy elements of the costume. Meanwhile moonknight,s is overall white and your eyes can rest properly on any part of the costume.
@ his mask and chest are the only good parts, the rest of the suit is all completely unnecessary. i think the only thing that carries that fit is the mask. without it people would prolly think its ass
No he doesn't lol
I mean, it's just white body armor. It's not that complicated.
@ i could say that about like 70% of the characters he said was complicated lol
You can’t convince me Max is constantly comparing these designs to MVC in his head. He’s all over the place with his criticisms
Max just dislikes anything that's even remotely esoteric
That isn't true at all. He loves a lot of things that are esoteric, including a lot of things you haven't heard of. This is just judging from personal perspective like we all do.
@@TamsinV Idk man you can go watch all of his rate costume videos and if its not Either A. a 1:1 of the original design or B. Very boring simple design with like maybe 2 colors that arent mega bright he'll never give something over a 6. Max and a lot of the boys tastes are...traditional? The only time he deviates is if a characters design plays towards his love for strider lol.
I'd argue a skin becoming "complicated" doesn't mean it gets worse, imo
complicated costumes get worse when you think about the fact that it's supposed to be clothing and combat suit. take magneto for example, pretty simple overall, just some slightly busy lines that don't need to be there and the whole crowning of his helmet feels extra but not horrible. then you notice a lil dangling like key chain on his right chest, what is that? why is that there? what purpose does it serve? it doesn't add anything to the look, it's probably annoying to hear when he walks or flys. it's unnecessarily complicated for the sake of being complex
There's a very fine line between complicated and overdesigned.
Captain America's default suit is (in my opinion) overdesigned and very busy, but I love his Galactic Talon suit.
theres is such a thing as visual noise. its always gonna be subjective but to me for example, i agree it really can ruin potentially good designs. its also gets to a point where you add so much shit it loses the iconography of the character itself.
A more powerful design is one where your eye doesn't have to focus on too many things at once. For a simple example, look at Superman or Batman. The logo on their chest is the thing that draws towards your eye, and for Batman it's then the eyes. The rest of the costume is a clean blend of two colors.
Guilty Gear Strive is a good philosophy of strong character design in my opinion if you wanna take inspiration. Especially when you compare it to older games.
Over complicated means something is added for complexity in meaningless ways in both utility and aesthetics, and actually become a detriment to the overall style.
Coolest thing ever: exist
Max: eh....too many line 6/10
*looks like Strider*
11/10.
@@invaderpez12on that end is he wrong?
opinions exist.... crazy huh?
@@samuraibeluga3749 we can still make fun of bad opinions
Meh if you're talking about Spider-man I will have to agree with him, he's full of unnecessary lines and stuff
Yeah your taste is definitely much different than mine 😂 The bias towards MvC is too powerful lol
And MK ninjas
Then your bias towards overcomplicated designs is also too powerful XD
@@TamsinV it they aren’t over complicated……if that’s the case then your taste and max taste and simple to boring period
If you're a lover of the comics, I wager most of these alt costumes are solid 10s.
If you're not... well then I guess you'd think some of these costumes don't do the characters justice lol.
giving eldritch armor magik a 5 is insane lol
Watched this live. I fear Max’s nostalgia got the better of him here. Like I don’t understand why the Psylocke skin needed to be a 1 to 1 to traditional Psylocke but the default skin was praised due to it resembling two of his fav capcom characters He would constantly state how cool a character looked but then in the same breath say he didn’t like the design. He generalizing a bunch of them as WoW like because (Magik) and kept defaulting to 6/10s because he didn’t love one or two elements of a design.
Yeah, this video is pretty much Max' version of Fantano's "MBDTF is a 6/10"
edit: comma (,)
This is an aspect of his reviews I don't quite understand, there's more to this like official material, fandom, and knowledge, than simple designs
Some of them are definitely a little over designed but I like most of them.
I also felt like he didn't fully understand the entire point of alternate skins in games like this. He's like "this alternate costume doesn't feel like the original character." Like...yeah? That's the point sometimes? I don't think people would be happy if every single skin was similar to the base skin design with minor changes. Like he praised psylocke's default, which is an entirely different version of the character just because it resembled capcom characters he liked, but he shit on other cool skins that were NOT the defaults because they "didn't look like the original character design"
Its just his opinion and score dude, it makes sense to him;
Those small details he didn't like? Thats a -2 each for him
What do you not understand?
It is just his personal taste, whether anybody considers it a good take or not.
I definitely have a Storm bias but her designs are 10/10. Always loved Mohawk Storm.
Mohawk Storm was the Storm I grew up with via backissues. Always the best.
But this takes it up a notch by working music appreciation into the punk look’s animation. Always felt like that part of her wild side didn’t get enough attention. Love it.
You know I never been a huge fan of Mohawk Storm, being a fan of longer hair and all, but the crazy braided mullet thing she’s got going is the perfect happy medium for me
The frame focus at 39:30 is such an unbelievable editor choice and I applaud you for it.
Only lasted until halfway through the video until I couldn't stand hearing the word "overcomplicated" anymore
"That coat is sentient and you need to control it."
"I think I would think the design is cool if it wasn't strange."
Buddy. Pal. Friend. IT'S DOCTOR STRANGE. THOSE STATEMENTS ARE CORRECT, THAT IS THE POINT.
3:25 McFarlane Venom is actually the venom with no big teeth he was just the black suit but buff and with a mouth. Larsen added the fangs
you just sound dumb. stop talking.... you sound like you are drunk and dont know what da fook you are even saying... and no hes talking about hes Older design. you would know this if you were truly a marvel fan.. but you just sound like someone who only acts like he knows what hes saying.. just pleast stop talking and do some actual research. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Death, taxes, and Max mixing shit up.
Bro skipped multiple alter suits because he thought they were just recolored original ones 😢
I think Max doesn't realize the game takes place in the 2099verse.
Irrelevant in assessing style. "lets add future stuff cause its the future" whatever that means
@@bui3415 Of course because adding a fucking Dimetrodon, the first Olympic Games and the Spanish Inquisition in my 2099 futuristic setting makes more sense
@@bui3415 there's a reason 2099 is the future and need a future design, its not weird it make sense, modern looks modern, old looks old thats it
@@soppe2931 It's not about looking futuristic, it's about looking overly busy. Some of the designs are definitely distracting with where the "loudest" elements draw attention to
@@nspade9252no they dont yall just using that as a buzzworf
Dude has no clue about character design and silhouettes. A bodysuit with 4 small cuts on the neck is bad and overcomplicated but pants, shirt, undershirt, beight red scarf that fades into magenta animated butterflies, brown hair with purple tips and a magenta holographic crossbow on the wrist is peak
26:49 you can tell bro has only seen the MCU movies, that’s basically Dr. Strange’s design in the comics, and his cloak is literally sentient. Smh 🤦♂️ 🤣
"I don't feel like this is Doctor Strange" you only know him from the movies and Marvel vs Capcom
For someone who's known for being a MVC Fanboy, he REALLY doesn't know his Marvel...
Wait scratch that, he called himself a "Capcomhead" but yet he didn't finish Dead Rising
Yep, he's a normie
@gamemax1049 I understand that he doesn't like Spider-Man's main costume in this game, but he doesn't like any of the others and even says that they are exaggerating with the Bag Man skin
@gamemax1049 I think it's totally fair to not like Dead Rising, it's certainly out there for Capcom. And I don't see how that had to do with anything
I mean I know him from the comics and I think they made him too bulky
@@bolthesorcerer3570 they all are, but he talks as if the costumes don't suit them or something, there's the name and a simple description on the side and he doesn't even bother taking 2 seconds to read it and think better about what the costume wants to represent
Ladies and Gentlemen, We got him.
Don't think so
@@SuperJJParker Nah, we do, you can tell he wants to play it, his Anti-shooter bias can't save him anymore 😆
@@theoutlawking9123 He played three matches on stream and said it was fun but it wasn't for him
@@theoutlawking9123 He already has and isnt a fan.
Rocket has Crash Bandicoot hair. Can't unsee it now.
That's actually so badass lmao
The way this comment actually made me come around to liking Rockets design. The hair I didn’t feel fit him but I was wrong
Max did not cook this video
Genuinely Max could probably appreciate every single one of these skins more if he just read the characteristic tags that said which comics each skin is from. Like you can not like any of these skins, but to say "they don't look good in this GAME" is crazy since they're ALL from the comics lmfao. Idk you'd think from a guy that likes MVC so much, he'd know more and appreciate the comics looks more but I mean to each their own. It's just when he says "This doesn't feel like [INSERT MARVEL CHARACTER HERE] to me," it just feels like he hasn't read a comic run in 20 years lol
Marvel characters looking the most creative/fresh they have in over a decade…
Max: Ehhh 6/10
Jesus man, this art style would perfect for a Marvel vs. Capcom 4, I’m just imagining what Ryu or Strider or Mega Man would look like in this, it’d be Hype Rage.
Nah, these designs are clearly "Hero Shooter," keep them in this game.
I'd rather have MVC sticking to comic designs.
@@DarkOverlord96aren't a lot of the alts comic based? As long as it is not only movie based I see no problem
@@DarkOverlord96 A lot of it is comic based no?
@@DarkOverlord96 he's talking about the art style
@@kilik5713 some yes, some no
The pitchforks and torches were ready max, Jeff the goodest boy was the only correct answer.
Untrue, he rated Storm a 10/10 as she SHOULD be.
26:54 “the cape has grown sentience”
Well Max, let me hold your hand when I tell you this…
*Looks at comic accurate skins*
Max: "garbage!"
For those who dont watch Max's streams, he's already played some games of Marvel rivals but lost interest in it quite fast. The hero shooter genre just isn't for him. Stuff like the cooldowns is something he didn't like. I cant remember what other critiques he had.
Another one is about how the dynamic visuals didn't translate into gameplay which is comparatively muted. It's just the reality of 3rd person shooter in pvp games
He goes about it more in-depth during stream, but games like this just makes him wish it was a fighting game instead. Because the dynamic presentation is moreso integrated into the actual gameplay in that genre. He values seeing his characters able to do cool stuff within the player's control.
he wanted to spam moves? lol
@@lordpookieI mean yeah have you seen which fighting games he likes best?
Could you imagine how hellish this game would be without cooldowns lol.
I feel like so many costume designs for Spider-Man try and “reinvent the wheel”, so to speak. All that usually happens is that it looks complicated and over-designed because Spidey’s costume already has a lot going on, so adding a lot more to try and stand out just falls flat imo.
Tbh, I find MR Spiderman less complicated than MCU Spiderman that adds more unnecessary small details onto his suit.
the characters turning their head towards you when you rotate the models blew my BALLS off when i noticed it bro the presentation for this game needs to be studied
the guys at netease went above and beyond with this game.. Did you notice when the match starts, ESPECIALLY on the spider map, every character has an animation where they get pulled in the web by spiderman or something? They didn't need to have all those extra animations, and yet they did.. and their designs are peak character design all over. just completely amazing.. And the skins are still a bit expensive for my taste, 10 should be the price, but tbh, I'll buy a few every now and then at 16 bucks. They're really worth it
Bro doesn't understand the concept of alternate costumes he was lobotomized as a child its ok we forgive you Max
"You can't appeal to my exact personal needs of character design."
AKA: "My deep weebish needs'"
I love all the designs in this game. They are very unique and stylized. It's nice seeing all these heros in a new way.
Character has an alt outfit where the design is directly lifted from one of their comic and movie outfits and is extremely accurate (e.g. Spider-Man's No Way Home Outfit)
Max: "Ehh just doesn't really feel like them to me." 6/10
Like I dunno how you can get more Doctor Strange than one of Doctor Strange's actual outfits.
Love max. And while I agreed with him I think mostly a lot his opinions annoyed the shit out of me because a lot of it felt like at least in the video was obvious he doesn't know what some look like outside the movies or an era he liked that character in.
broooo Magyk's white and blue design a 5/10, its the coolest thing ever and i dont even know who magik is