WHAT WENT WRONG?? Inspecting The CARNAGE in the Aluminum LS
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Gotta wash the oil pan even if it's new. I've found out the hard way. Just put a new pan on with out inspecting it. Had metal shavings, in a new oil pan. Caused the same problem.
Have y'all billy the kid
I would assume it’s the rods or oil starvation .
great video
As a mechanic I have been taught never to reuse an oil pressure sensor that was in a failed engine as it could contaminate the new engine with bearing material. So it's probably a good thing you didn't swap it over
They were cleaned extremely good before reusing
Typically common piece of LS . Shame though. When you eventually get tired of throwing 💰💰 🗑️..
Everyone makes mistakes, thank god you caught it early before a rod went through the block or oil pan,?,can you take that crank to a machine shop to get it polish out or buy a new crank
If he'd blow up and get rid the good ones. Keeps the junk.. It's fine though just jump-in take-📴 , make more so you can do more so you can make more and due more.. Yall got it all figured out..
O’Reillys or any other parts store sells new cranks cheap
Is that a bostitch drill? Thought was only one that had one, mostly use my impact. Lol. Done me good for years
Where tf are your impacts
MAN YOU GUY'S ARE GOOD. YOU MUST BE MICHIGAN BOY'S?
Check the relief spring on the pump if you back out the screw and it has tension then it’s good if the screw doesn’t have tension on it when you back it out check how far the spring comes out if it’s even with the threads on the pump then spring went bad
Efi connections has a bbc front cover crank and cam signal kits
It's an ls what do you expect? 🤣🤣🤣
Love your dads shirt
Love pops shirt. 👊🏼
The Fierro is what brought me to your channel. Lol the rest was just a plus.👍
Jack Black will be back in action in no time. James Brown would sell fast
I’d sell James Brown and start on the 55’/fiero.
just something I think you should maybe think about, not all your viewers are rightwing (political that is) and seeing your pop wearing that CNN fake news t-shirt won't help your channel grow. some of us even take offence to this . just saying, filming that was maybe not your best idea.
Its just a shirt he thought was funny. Its a meme. He also has a shirt that says "Bigfoot is real and he tried to eat my ass" lol
Josh... Did you check the pan to pickup clearance? That pickup looked like the stocker from that Trailblazer pan. If an LS starves of oil, it'll lose the front bearings first since the oil from the filter enters the galleys at the rear.
The one I picked up was the TB one. He had the new one over on the bench. I was thinking today about the pickup clearance
God is real
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.....you went from a big block to junk!! Gaf 🤣 should of just added boost to the big block
Didn't really have the opportunity to
I like your dad's shirt At 22:48 minute mark it says CNN fake news....lol
He thinks it's hilarious lol
You would think if it was an oiling problem it would be the furthest ones away from the pump...
Pump goes back to the oil filter first and then out to the motor. So they kinda are the furthest
Why did you change the rod bearings in the 1st place?
I had the pistons out to clean the cylinders and I had the rod bearings leftover from the Fiero engine that didn't need them so I was like "oH, I mIgHt aS wElL cHaNgE tHeM aNd bE sAfE"
It’s tough sometimes. Hang in there. Would love to be able to do the same with my Pops.
See if one of the cam bearings spun in the bore or smeared covering the hole down to the main bearing.
P.S.
Use a flashlight to look up through the hole in the main saddle towards the cam bearing on each main to see if it’s a clear shot.
i like how pops just tightens the rockers all the way with a drill and i'm over here torquing then down one by one😭🤣
Lol I'll be honest, the rockers I almost always use my small impact to tighten them down. Its like the meme of how you treat your first kid being super protective and your third kid watching them jump off the slide or slam into the sliding door and be like 🤷♂️ lol
I love your dads cnn fake news shirt 🤣
It makes him laugh every time lol
There is a higher power!
It's called Big Block Chevy lol.
Lol
I've personally never had good results with using untouched LS engines. Tons of people do! Hopefully the truck stays together.
How far would you travel for 6.2
Me personally? Idk, not super far unless it was an insanely good deal or I was dead set on getting one. I think the farthest I've traveled for an engine is a little over an hour
Purple power helps to clean the block of oil, it’s cheap and very strong. I use it with a spray bottle and just spray until it breaks the oil down and it comes right off. Make sure you use gloves tho because it will mess your skin up pretty good.
The truck God's do not want to see Jack black with a L.S.
They won't to see a bloñ 572 c..ñ in his black as and only then will they smile on you.
I blame it on the low blinker fluid
Na it was a loose connection between the steering wheel and the driver seat
Hey, that blinker fluid was topped off. You see that left blinker putting in work last video? Haha
In the words of John doc “ you release the smoke when you open the bottom end”!!!
I think there's some truth to that honestly
Absolutely. If put new bearings in It is even worse.
then that makes me wonder on my build. not hot tanked. but all cleaned, new bearings, rings, cam, oil pump, and mine spun #1-2 rod bearings as well.
I've beat the shit out of many LS motors and never spun a main or rod bearing. I will say I have had good luck with the melling oil pumps though. I also run my fresh builds 100 miles on Driven break in oil BR30. It seems to do the trick for seating rings and bearings... glad you got another motor for sure... can't beat an LS that's for sure!
I love how you don’t get an emotional attachment with your cars/trucks, you sell to create money for other projects. After putting in so much work, they become sentimental to me even though the plan was to sell them all along😂
I agree 👍 I have a hard time selling anything lol I have so many extra parts I don't need and probably will never need but I keep them anyway lol
Oh I get incredibly sentimental with my vehicles lol but I try to think about the bigger picture. As much time, effort and money as I've put into James Brown, if selling him can get me the 55 built which is my dream car then as bittersweet as it is, it just makes more sense and I'll be happier in the long run. Lol Jack was originally supposed to be a quick flip and here we are now 🙃
@@SniderTron3000 what do you want for James brown ??
@@jonathanlawson4667 If I do end up selling it I was planning on posting it for like $15k turn key. Or really, post it for a little higher trying to get 15 for it lol
@@SniderTron3000 what about 12 cash??
Those mains going where the reason what made it run on half a motor first start up, no oil and it toasted the bearings asap that's crazy.You never would have known that was gonna happen...
Isn't that the 1 2 3 4 rods bearing the first to get oil?. You could have sucked the pan dry
At the end of the day this is why you went LS. Imagine if you guys had this happen after going back with a big block. Jack will be back.
Lots of OEMs say it's ok to reuse torque to yield head bolts. You can use them as many times as you want as long as you toss em before they run out of stretch.
Did you check clearances on the rods and crank before putting in the new bearings, too loose/tight? And i know the stock oil pumps are not that hot.
I'm curious on that as well...
Did you extend your pickup to the back pan wall? Im sure you know LS's are bad about cavitizing the oil passages on long passes. The stock pickup location is bad. Bigger sump and moving the pickup right against the rear wall helps.
It happens, some make it and some don't. It's a LS, grab another and send it again!
are you running a high pressure oil pump?
👍👍🇨🇱
Josh and papa Tron another awesome video can’t wait to see papa Tron getting into the boost in jack again
Like your dads shirt! Did I see boost reference power valves on that table?
I hope not! Lol
@@SniderTron3000 lol just caught a glimpse of em. Thought u might be messing with some blow through stuff
@@mattmoore1236 lol if I can't even get a terminator to work on an LS I definitely don't have the skill to mess with a blow through right now
I dunno about anybody else, but I care about the Fiero, it's what brought me to the channel😁
I subscribed when he had Goldie and laughed when he began the fiero bc I have a turbo rcsb and a Ls4 turbo fiero. Fun seeing the way other people decide to do their build.
Yeah focus on the 55
Spun bearings is common in these in type or kind of engine.. typical LS dudu.
Looks to me like the rods or bearings on those journals were installed with the chamfer's facing each other instead of the crank. Ask your local machine shop, they've seen it before.
When building a 5.3 would you prefer a only gas model or a flex fuel model able to run e85 ?? My flex fuel tahoe runs great on e85 its cheaper than gas and truck feels to have more tq down low on e85
I enjoy watching you build with your father, and the fiero got me watching your channel. Rocknroll!
Yea them bearings are fucked just have the crank ground 10 thousands and get oversized bearings make sure everything is clean on re assembly 👍
Don't sell James! He built the channel! How can you even think of selling a 9 second car!!!
Damn that crank got chewed the fuck up, do you think it can be turned, or you just gonna go on eBay and get a $125 used one
Well I've gotta ask, did you guys have it properly tuned on a chassis dyno?
Sorry to see the that happen.
Chassis dynos aren't as great as they seem unless you're going to a really, really good tuner. I'm not going to name names, but I know some youtube guys who are pretty big that do tuning and blew up 3 customer cars this year on their dyno. And Chief at Midwest Street Cars talks about in one of his videos that when they tuned Caddy Jack on the dyno the car was making more hp but going slower on a pass. They quit dynoing it and went faster just making passes and reading plugs, making changes and seeing what picked up mph. But there are definitely guys like Capizzi who dyno and really know what they're doing. But I'm not gonna spend $2,000 for 5 hours on a dyno
Why is it always 3 and 4??? The LS gods have abandoned you!! Definitely not a you screw up that's just a engine screw up and eat itself issue!! I'll pray to the LS gods for HP and Boost when it goes back together and together you will be one with the LS again and they'll be no more bad rod or main bearings ever again 🙏 💯 🙌
I wouldn’t recommend stock valve springs for boost.
That oil issue was due to the oil pump. Stock oil pumps are not for high rpm engines.
I always upgrade pump, lifters, and head bolts on stock motors like that. Specially boosted ones.
You upgrade the oil pump but leave the srock valve springs? Am I understanding that right? Do you just run stock cams?
@@SniderTron3000sorry bout that. I wouldn’t use stock valve springs On boosted motors. Even though it’s a stock cam I still upgrade the valves springs and push rods.
Curious minds want to know, if you guys didn't touch the bottom end? What was Pops using the ball hone on?
#2 are torque wrenches a bad word around Pops garage? #3 are you guy's reusing torque to yield bolts? It's never been covered
The top of the #5 cylinder had a little bit of light pitting. Not enough to have to pull the piston out to clean it.
He used a torque wrench in the video. I was talking about something at the time but you can hear him clicking away in the back ground.
And yeah. The last motor I bought new head bolts for, but this time we said f it and reused them. Torque them at 75ft lbs and send it. I didn't cover that because I didn't want to have a bunch of people saying reusing head bolts will give my grandma cancer and I'm going to hell for it lol
@@SniderTron3000 Well I don't think your gramma's gonna get cancer or you're gonna meet satin because of cutting corners. I've built about 20 budget builds
for friends in the past 10yrs. with only 1 failure, I let the customer take the car before I put 50 miles or 5 hours on the break in oil. needless to say when he took
the car he swore he'd change the oil and filter and bring them to me. Well that didn't happen. When he had the car towed to my shop FOUR DAYS later it had
almost 300 more miles on the odometer with the same oil and filter. I kinda felt bad till I saw a video of him hot lapping it on the street.
I’ve reused every tty head bolt I’ve came across building these. Which I don’t run high boost. Around 16-20 in current setup. Never lifted a head, yet
I'm telling you man that truck is cursed. No other explanation.
I think the dude we got it from stole it off a reservation or something
@@SniderTron3000 yep that's gotta be the issue. I thought forsure it would last forever with an ls.
I hope this will be a motor that papatron can't kill
I’m about to put a Holley terminator x stealth on a big block. You don’t have to have the terminator control timing, you could use a stock hei and let the terminator control fuel only if you wished.
I like the idea of verifying timing and then being able to just make changes in the laptop.
Agreed. But this is not a performance application. I may add the dual sync distributor down the road and let the Holley do everything. But at the moment it’s not a priority.
@@john4444guy i get that. I was looking earlier today at ones where its basically just the shaft of the distributor that drops in and theres just the signal wires that come off the top, no cap or anything like that. They were about $300. Thats probably what I would end up doing just because I would have to buy a distributor anyway
I love how the only power tool that gets used for everything is a drill 😂
Love you guys but using that drill like a impact triggers me lmao
Lol thats just Pops doing Pops stuff. The conversation about the Dewalt trailer was about him wanting to buy one of the impacts I have actually lol
Chamfer the holes.. Take James Brown's motor out next
Yeah, hopefully that will be out tomorrow
Bitter sweet first pull so exciting but the. Immediate bummer lol
The Crank was definitely weird how it tore up the front two and nothing to the rest and changed the color guess it definitely got hot
I wanna see the s 10 get an ls turbo
what were the bearing clearances on the rods ? were the factory bearings factory undersize ?
They were standard size. I don't remember what the clearance was. I checked a couple with plastigage and they were good so I slapped them all together
A factory bearing can be standard and still over or undersize I'm not familiar with the ls bearings but it could be a letter at the end of the number or it could be for example std0003os they have different ways of describing that on factory engines so search the numbers when your disassembling for future reference just trying to help
Yeah, I checked the numbers and put a caliper on the crank. I know its not as accurate as a micrometer but I don't have a micrometer lol
What’s that spare LS for that pops is torquing on????
New motor for jack
@@papatron-gr4wg nice
Did it torch the turbo wouldn't mind to know
No why would it hurt the turbo lol
Nah, luckily turbo seems fine. The oil for the turbo is pumped from the engine, so it could have sent metal through the bearings in the turbo
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"Aluminum LS"... Every production based LS has been aluminum.
Oh, you're one of those guys that doesn't accept the 4.8/5.3/6.0 as an LS?
Depends. Democrat or republican?
Key word “based”
@@SniderTron3000 I prefer an iron over aluminum block. Just think people should be accurate and proud they have a LQ4, LY6, LY5 . Call them by name instead of saying BS like iron block LS2.
Who installed the crank¿
The guy who didn't clean the oil passages
@@Stevesbe I doubt that is from dirty oil passages!! If the front two was that dirty enough to do that well then the chances are good that the back two would've been as well and I'd bet money he checked those while he was putting new bearings in it
That crank was never pulled out of that motor as far as I know. But I had the rods/pistons out to clean the cylinders and I put new rod bearings in it while they were out. I'm thinking it was an oiling issue because its fed from back to front
@@SniderTron3000 I thought you put new mains in it my bad
@@SniderTron3000so just a fucked up block in general.. Yall got this .. It will be running in no time at all...
I'm not hating or anything man but you got all these bad ass builds, but you have a 1/4 socket adapter on a drill🫣
Yeah, zip the bolts down and then tighten by hand. Ain't nobody got time to screw in every bolt by hand lol
Maybe it was the uga-duga toque method you use?
You telling me you can't use a 1/2" impact on rod caps?
Na, I haven’t used a ratchet on an ls since the first one I ever messed with about 10 years ago