4 YEAR ANNIVERSARY TWITCH STREAM TODAY! www.twitch.tv/thrilluwu Also, what do you think? I found this topic to be extremely interesting and I wanted to extend the conversation about "what is too real in a game" to VR. Much love! Have a great Tuesday!
I've gotten to the point in the video where you're asking "how real is too real?"/"or is it all just polygons, and we should detach ourselves from the virtual?" and IMO that question has never REALLY mattered. Parents for ages have struggled to understand that games I've been playing on the computer are with real people and can't always just be paused, to give an idea that the "spirit" of this question has been around a while already. It's the wrong question, because "real" and "virtual" doesn't matter to your brain: they both create memories, they both teach you lessons, they both elicit emotional reactions, they both can allow interactions (both good and bad) with other humans. Even if both mediums are not physical, to your brain they are BOTH "reality".
my opinion: worst effects of ultra realism: brainwashing tool likely effects of ultra realism: discord-mod syndrome (user develops preference to simulation over reality) effects on normal people: im broke from Gpu purchase and nvidia makes millions
Congrats for anniversary and all the labour of love :> Though per Index being the defacto for PCVR, I still prefer Vive, if nothing else than how irritating those over-the-ear not touching pieces are~ Per "what is too real," I think the creep will only increase and worry about collateral damage in process of discovering parameters of safety for physical/mental health, which exists moreso within the current artificial scarcity reality for most people.
just wait till all the controversies combine. You're going to have a hyper-realistic "adult" game with ai generated deepfakes and audio. That's when all this is going to get real crazy, we all know it's coming eventually and the controversy will be amazing lmao
I think having those kind of hyper realistic sims would be beneficial for society, a lot of people go crazy simply over being too lonely, they turn into creeps and rapists or kill themselves. If you can get 90% of a relationship in vr, especially one that you can literally build yourself without the problems that come with a real one, I see it keeping a lot of people happy. BUT!!!! I think deepfaking people into it WITHOUT consent should never be allowed. That would genuinely cause lots of problems on the human brain as far as parasocial relationships go. Like some dude having a virtual girlfriend modeled off someone who chose to do it, that’s fine cuz they’ll never meet them in real life most likely. Now imagine someone deepfaking their co-worker into whatever fantasy they want, developing this complete one sided fake relationship and then actually seeing them irl everyday, biggggg yikes.
Unrecord is insanely impressive but I also think it's important to understand some of the tricks going on here. There's blur, chromatic aberration, lowered resolution, all these things to make our view look more like a real camera, but these things also assist at hiding imperfections. Unrecord is realistic because of masterful trickery, making the lighting and animation as realistic as possible while deprioritizing things that are hidden by the medium. VR is a long way from true realism, not just because of the added resource usage VR inherently needs but also because it's much harder to emulate actual human experience than say... a camera or something similar.
Yeah it looks awesome as does a lot of stuff in UE5, but I was pretty surprised people genuinely thought it was real and I think it’s the post processing making it look like a camera doing the heavy lifting. Even ignoring animations, there’s clear things like the bottoms of the silver barrels being just a flat plane that are clearly not real. It’s more like the uncanny valley I’d say, where it’s very close but some stuff just seems a hair off. I don’t think we’ll be able to get completely indistinguishable from reality games until we have the power to have a fully path traced game run on most hardware. (I know Cyberpunk has path tracing now but it cripples a 4090, so developers aren’t gonna target that level of performance )
@@xguitarist_ Right? I first saw the demo in a gotcha-style video where they guy first showed the clip and only later “revealed” it's not real footage and my first reaction was “hey, that's a pretty good render.” I genuinely don't understand how people think it's real. The lighting is pretty wonky, half the textures are completely flat, specular maps need a _ton_ of work… Technologically, it's extremely impressive and if the developer puts in the work to polish up the assets, it will look really good, but nowhere close to real life footage.
@@jacobwolf9840 Lol Coomer's mouth. Yeah but there's such a thing as "Valve Time" for a reason, they love to take forever to make their stuff, it always ends up being great 99% of the time but it takes forever. I'm guessing 2025-2026 at the earliest unless something has changed inside the company.
Yeah, that'd really stick a spanner in the works. We get to experience a hyper-realistic gun fight in VR, follow by a hyper realistic prison experiene.
Just to add to the convo. We already have people who have grown up seeing gore on LiveLeak. While they may be desensitized to that type of content, that's what it is. Experiencing it in reality even then is fundamentally different, and I can't imagine anyone wants to see those things irl. Virtual Reality may be another level of interaction but that also means the reality equivalent is as well. People's empathy will kick in long before they start to genuinely consider actually doing something like that. Let's say they are indistinguishable not just visually but wholistically, people will simply either be able to separate it in their thoughts, or will probably feel too strongly to play it. If neither, they probably are a vast minority, and already had underlying issues.
Thanks, I think people forget that if you can't distinguish from reality they empathy kicks in, if it doesn't then they already have a morality issue. Arguably you could detect early onset of crime using online games but that's a bit dystopian
Not just liveleak. But yes there's a clear segregation between real and virtual and that line hasn't been blurred yet. It's encroaching, but not there at this time.
@@TheRealityWarper08 Not necessarily! If you drop the cyber surveillance / "tough on crime" mindset and approach the problem from a therapy standpoint, then it becomes an early diagnostic tool instead. Just put a high-visibility, stern warning at the front like they do for epilepsy, and people with a problem will know they have a problem and can seek treatment of their own accord. And if they don't, then they wouldn't have anyway, so society's no worse off. You even get some fringe benefit of people who mistakenly believe themselves to have sociopathy (sometimes happens to people with subdued/atypical emotional responses) can conclusively prove to themselves that they're fine actually.
@@CaraiseLink we'd also have to drop the idea that corporations would sell that data for profit and advertising, or that law enforcement wouldn't use it to further bias the system against any undesirable group... that feels like too much suspension of disbelief to me, at least in america haha Although a visible, active, opt-in I wouldn't mind.
something that happens with me is that I don't really remember what happened in vr after like 3 hours, its almost like a dream I can barely remember, or being drunk/high.
the biggest reason I haven't ever really been lost in a VR game is I don't have forced feedback, and even with it, objects don't really have weight, so my hands always feel weird. and I get the feeling even if this game is in VR, it still won't feel just right. I understand that you might have tec that can get you lost but that isn't too accessible for most people. but idk I like to ride things out, so I guess we will see where this heads.
It's going to take a while to get what you want. For me, it's all about presence and atmosphere. I still get a kick out of modded skyrim vr, and seeing a scaled dragon across the sky. I'm just happy that I don't have to be 80 years old for vr to get this far.
ngl I don't want to pay 60 bucks for Skyrim lol. I do still love VR, I just don't get lost it, like I am always aware it's just a game. to me it's like playing on a pc, but I can control stuff with my body instead of a mouse. which is still amazing for me. I'm bad at most video games but good at things IRL, so when it comes to something like a bow in VR, it lets me play to my fullest.
@@creaturecrazy2976there is a special haptic gloves being made. You can feel what you described and the force feedback. I'm unable to release much more then that and I can't say whois making it etc other then just wait it willnve well worth it.
@@creaturecrazy2976I go around interviewing companies if im able to get my foot in the door. Alot of cool things. But since I've been busy and been not exactly feeling the best I'm months behind I got this info around 4-5 months ago after I get my galbladder surgery done and I recover imma get back into the tech industry research and interviews and will post more info in thrills community
As for the question about hyper realistic simulations, I think this argument has been going on for a very long time, certainly longer than VR has been around. The same things have been said about cinema, TV, and basically all other mediums. In the end, these experiences are forms of artistic expression, just like a disturbing poem or violent movie. They are not meant to be treated in the same way as physical reality. It's pretty exciting to see this type of fidelity, can't wait to see where it goes!
@@fabledorchid8410 that's the catch- you're not controlling john wick. I dont think immediately saying its "bad" is the way to go, but having it be indistinguishable from reality changes the conversation a bit. Especially if AI gets integrated in a way that creates realistic human behavior, since that's exploding too right now.
It's a very philosophical and ethical debate (some people told me to add psychology, which makes sense). I hope it can be addressed by those who have worked in those fields and published on a mass scale.
> _They are not meant to be treated in the same way as physical reality._ And the difference with hyper realistic simulations is that the medium is trying to be experienced the same way as physical reality
Please don't oversell Unrecorded. It works this well because the bodycam premise lets them hide all the faults in the photogrammetry. (genius idea btw.) This wouldn't translate to VR at all. And on that matter, hyperrealism will come anyway. That's unstoppable, so we better learn to deal with it ASAP.
> _Please don't oversell Unrecorded._ He didn't. It was just an example to show where the technology is going and is happening sooner than people think
@@cenciende9401 There isn't, it's a unofficial nut job just like the flatscreen version a HL Alyx. Also the older prototype is a official UE5 demo scene. Publicly accessible to every one.
There already is a game in vr that gives me the same vibes as unrecord called bloodtrail, it has hyper-realistic body deformation from guns (you shoot someone in the head with a shotgun, it looks like you just split open a cantaloupe). It's fun to play but it can be kinda scary because you can turn on ai that just runs and doesn't fight back and there's a map that eerily looks like a school to me. I couldn't imagine how crazy this will be if the experience of blood trail combined with the fidelity of unrecord.
@@noshutboy Yea nanite is insane. Pretty soon software solutions like nanite will likely make the need for better and better graphics cards every year a thing of the past (at least in the gaming sphere) I guess ray-tracing is around to give our hardware a challenge for a little while yet, but as the hardware gets better and we start finding clever software solutions for ray-tracing to make it more efficient, it'll all meet in the middle at some point. Probably sooner than we think.
It's crazy to think about how your videos literally got me hooked on VR 3ish - 4 years ago. I remember after building my first pc, I settled for the rift s and would rewatch your videos to learn how to take care of my headset because it was literally one of the most expensive things I have bought at the time. It has been one heck of a journey and I look forward to more VR developments. Here's to many more awesome VR news, tech, and software reviews!
Just a reminder that Crysis released in 2007. 15 years ago. We were supposed to have helper robots and flying cars by year 2000. Instead we have impending AI, social media and war in Europe. Just food for thought.
Congrats on your 4 year anniversary, and thank you for being the most amazing VR youtuber there is - there is no one like you out there so I cannot express with words how grateful I and others are for your massive commitment to the world of VR - your videos certainly never disappoint :D
@@crackny4n i'd rather noot experience a warehouse gunfight or space game flying too close to a black hole irl? realistic graphics can be just as interesting as stylized. Unrecord with it's bodycam view proves that
This is the same argument that can be used for many things prohibitited by society, unfortunately the few that can't handle it often ruin it for everyone.
@@crackny4n You remind me of an idiot in my class back in High School who would talk shit when I was praising the Xbox 360's graphics for sports games. He would say that playing sports games like baseball and basketball are stupid when you can go outside and play the actual sport itself. 😂😂😂
A hyper realistic VRchat would be all kinds of cool and weird. I wonder, if posed with the opportunity to have a hyper realistic avatar, would you make an ideal version of yourself, or would it be some one/ something else?
The main appeal of VRChat is that it lets you be whoever you want to be. Why would you want to be a hyper realistic version of yourself is beyond me even if it was ideal :v I prefer looking at anime girls and femboys than realistic people :v
I think the most worrying part was that Boz killed Echo because he thought the money could be best spent on other things, and the Ready at Dawn folks said they were killing Echo VR to divert resources (I think) to their next project, and now the staff at RaD are getting canned. It seems like there is some kind of mixed message stuff happening with Meta currently, especially since I heard lately that they are going to focus more on releasing games as well as other VR/AR related things. Despite all of that, I still remain hopefull for the future of VR, because it's already amazing, and I think for the naysayers, if they have an opportunity to actually try it, and not Richies Plank (into a TV) experience, or Roller Coaster Vomit simulator, then they would feel the same as we do.
Meta honestly seems like it seems in shambles right now. nobody seems to have any idea where they're going with the company other than, "make better hardware"
@@Mallchad Well making better hardware is what they always should've focused on, it was the cornerstone of Oculus, leave the game development and management of IPs to others, 'cause clearly Meta sucks at it.
@@AJ-po6up Arguably yes, it got real annoying when Oculus started writing standalone software, even the occulus store is kind of a meme really Second in the race to develop widespread VR with no prior following and demands exclusivity... Joy
I can confirm, my Quest 2 is just a dust gathering paperweight at the moment for the sole reason that I can't wear it for longer than like 15 minutes right now because I haven't gotten a new headstrap and am using the stock one
Then go get a better strap? You're saying it like its their fault lol. Nobody cares whether u are playing or not mate, but i you want to play and that's what keeps you from playing, then buy a better strap. Their goal is introducing the most people to VR. So if they can sell a cheaper headset with a worse strap then that's a good thing. It means X more people buying their first headset and falling in love with VR.
I think that if something is virtual, IT IS virtual, so its ok to have some ultra realistic games, but i dont know, everyone react in a different way on everything, so i really think this is something to discuss about
"If something is virtual, its virtual" is not exactly a hot take lol I think as adults we ought to be capable of distinguishing fiction from reality. Still, there's nothing magical about turning 18 that suddenly gives you a well adjusted mind. I'm interested to see where this goes, but I also am aware that children WILL play these games. While it's their parent's responsibility, it's all of our consequence.
@@cassolmedia Hyper realistic violent games will pander to some, others will stay away. Personally i'm hyped for hyper realistic medieval full dive combat. Preferably with full pain feedback.
@@thelelanatorlol3978 I'll pass on the full pain lol... but i honestly would be down for some medieval full dive action. I think for me it's far enough removed from reality that I could enjoy it. Just like gunning people down in modern day Detroit or something is too close to reality for my comfort.
Thank goodness I found your videos so long ago, I have a scratch in my headset lenses, and I saw from your quest torture test about polywatch, and it just showed up today.
@@D4rk3clipse wait you can? Is it a mod on the stand alone game or a seperate instance. I actually got the game during a bundle once never booted it though:rofl:
When you shoot at people in airsoft it's not disturbing, and it's currently the closest thing to shooting at people. In my opinion, the same should be for videogames, no matter how realistic and immersive the experience is, at the end of the day, you can take your headset off or go to the parking lot and drink some beers with the other airsoft players. I don't feel like there's a need to detach yourself from the virtual world. It's just that repercussions of actions in VR are limited to the digital world. For me, if there was a real life place where you can break stuff but at the end of the day, everything is cleaned up and restored, the consequences of doing something in that place would be the same as the consequences of doing it in a virtual environment. The actions taken place in virtual worlds usually have short lasting effects and they are usually separate from the real world, but they are still valid actions that are part of your life, nobody can change that, even if they believe "it's just some pixels". Someone collecting ultra rare coins would value his collection in a similar way someone would value their favourite game save file. They would grief if they lost it or had it damaged, they both can take actions to expand and change these treassures, and in the eyes of others, they might have no value at all, it's just a nerdy silly thing they don't care about. But you shouldn't listen to what others think, you should care about what matters to you.
My Quest 2 has sat on a shelf for nearly a year since I've gotten myself an Index, its highly unlikely that the platform is going to die, but its vastly more populated than anything else I've come across in my time in VR.
As someone who consistently plays the most realistic and violent games for hundreds of hours each, I'm still afraid of and avoidant of real gore because it is VERY psychologically different
Real gore is terrible, and literally rewires your brain. That's the thought behind kids not playing violent games, till they're old enough to differentiate between real and fake. Cuz once you identify that it's not real, it just ceases to disturb even a little bit
@@GlorifiedGremlin Sure I guess. That's like what though? 3-5 years old? although I still wouldn't let young kids get into gory video games regardless since I don't want them to be desensitized to fake gore (could get quite difficult to watch TV with them at the very least)
I stumbled onto r/eyeblech (gore subreddit, don't go to it lmao) when I was like 13. Now I can look at stuff like that without even flinching, and its very concerning. I feel that this hyper-realistic vr will have a similar effect if younger audiences get access to it
Remember stumbling across your channel back in 2019 and thought the content was way too good for the amount of subs it had. You've come a long way Thrill! Looking forward for more awesome, actionpacked, informational, funny, VR years to come. Lets show people why we love VR and show the way of how the people want it! not huge monopolized companies! anyways love your vids as always have a good TUESDAY NEWSDAY!!!
The PCVR Quest 2 stat is interesting. I am one of those people, I never play standalone. If there were an inside-out tracked, wireless PCVR headset for around the $500 mark without standalone capabilities I would buy it in a heartbeat. Literally just an onboard processor for the wireless, and that's it. I want it so badly. It could be so much less of a brick than the Quest 2
The things people do in games and experience while viewing any form of media definitely have a massive impact on them. This is true to the extreme when it comes to games in general, let alone hyper realistic forms of gaming such as VR that enhances the senses and realism. This is already obvious in how we look at media such as RUclips or TikTok; it makes you feel emotion and experience things that you otherwise would not experience in your daily life. All that being said, it is one of those doubled-edged swords that is both a blessing and a curse. Shooting at very realistic human avatars or AI is going to deeply effect some people and cause a very real reaction, while at the same time other people shoot at them and not think twice about how real it feels. Much like the rest of the internet, it's a self-prescribed experience. You need to know your own self and limits before going in, because everyone will reach a part of the internet or media that is too much for them to handle.
definitely have been considering the realism thing myself. I love VR because the tech is fascinating and it's wonderful how it can connect people who are distant, but I do wonder about the ramifications of hyper immersion.
SEARKER! Theirs a movie called "Brain Scan" from 1994. The ending is amazing and is a poetic cautionary tale of what your talking about. It stars the kid from Terminator 2 all grown up
Hi Thrill, I've been following your videos ever since I got my quest back in late 2020, and I just wanted to thank you for sharing your passion for VR with the rest of the world (Warning, I rambled a bit, so I left a TLDR at the bottom). Ever since my 10-year-old self first saw gameplay of Job Simulator back in 2016, I knew I wanted a VR headset more than anything else, but back then, I never even thought it was possible to get my hands on a VR headset in the near future, let alone a standalone one that didn't need to be powered by a bulky PC. Because of that, it truly amazes me that my (what I thought to be) far-fetched dreams came true 3 years ago when I got the best birthday present ever--a quest 1--and since then I've always been jumping at the next big thing when I was able, upgrading to quest 2 and eventually getting a really nice used gaming laptop (mostly) just to play PCVR. I mean it when I say that my life is twice as good with VR because of all the amazing people I've met, all the thrilling games I've played, and all the jaw-dropping visuals I've seen (I'm looking at you, HL Alyx!). I am honestly shocked that my generation, who lived and breathed Minecraft, Roblox, and other creativity-indulging games throughout elementary and middle school, aren't as enthusiastic about this new era of gaming and all the mind-blowing possibilities it brings to the table, but I am glad that people like you are still out there, as few in number as they are currently. People like you, especially you, keep me excited and happy and amazed for the future by making videos about all the cutting-edge VR tech and experiences that are coming to the surface right now. Most importantly, though, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks VR is the best thing since sliced bread. I'm so glad I'm not the only human who is absolutely giddy whenever, something, anything, new comes out in the VR world. I'm so glad you're making awesome content and enjoying this incredible thing as much as I am. Thank you. TLDR; I've been engrossed in VR ever since 2016, and I'm shocked that my dreams came true as early as they did and that I have a quest and PCVR of my own. Even though most people aren't as thrilled about VR as I am, I am so so appreciative of the people who share my passion and are creating incredible VR content like this. Thank you for everything!
3:45 for the big topic. This coming from someone who is very sensitive to VR already, and I get phantom sense and such. 1. Old video games are not like VR, especially this extreme realism - I always had anxiety throughout my life, and immediately before getting VR my mind was in a dark place because I was only surrounded by negative people yelling at each other, and I was having massive sleep deprivation for many many months. So just being in the same room as people made me uncomfortable/angry. One day my brain needed a break so I played a game, I saw a character in a story saying some thoughts I was thinking before they did a thing, and it made me get VR as a last resort kinda thing because it's expensive. Luckily it removed my anxiety, and now I feel happy & comfortable being near people in real life. Able to be in the center of a room with no problems, instead of being the wall flower that goes around corners whenever possible like I used to be. Point of this story is that, one game can heal someone by placing them in an environment that makes them feel positive around other people, then there's a good chance another game can make people feel negative around other people IRL. With that happening often enough, I feel some people would be either desensitized, and even probably influenced to do such things in real life. Empathy will stop people normally, however you know it'll happen because ya know people are gonna peer pressure each other into playing slashy gun man shooter 9000 to try to get them to "toughen up" or to "prepare just in case". This coming from someone that always thought that video game violence was total BS since I grew up with violent video games all my life, and I was always the least violent person around. However, VR, and especially extreme realism changes that significantly. Flat screen games can be more of a stress release, but VR kinda puts your mind into the situation, which can cause more stress later. 2. Decisions made in the moment can be a big deal - My subconscious is thoroughly fooled by VR, even when in a world that looks like it was made on the n64. I will catch myself doing some things instinctively in VR because my subconscious brain is treating it like reality. Thing is, while not everyone is this sensitive to VR, I'm sure there's plenty other people that get this way. I would imagine spending a lot of time in VR could make you reflexively do things IRL. So doing violent things is an obvious bad thing, but I'm sure there's other things that the brain might think is a good idea in the split second thinking that could be terrible. 3. AI combined with realism is going to be a problem - AI gets better everyday. Eventually it will be able to replace your friends while they are gone. Imagine if you had a realistic looking version of your friend. That's pretty scary. Also a problem if you end up preferring AI friends over humans. After all, I would imagine AI could give you all the help you could ever need at any time, but humans often have problems in their lives, and emotions can do some damage.
Even if graphics get photo realisitic: as long as the FoV and resolution is not high enough it doesn’t feel real to me. I had the hp reverb g2, the index and the quest 2. All, without exception had way too low resolution and FoV to feel even remotely real, let alone the graphics. Don’t get me wrong, I think VR can have a bright future but we are still generations away of high fidelity and high field of view together. I loved Alyx, best game I’ve ever experienced but other then that nothing blew me away like alyx
for me it's the brightness and textures. I'm lucky enough to have good enough vision to count the needles on a pinetree down the street, but even if it does get to a point where i can't tell the difference... if i have a headset attached to my face, I can tell it's fake
This reminds me of the first movie in history being shown. a train moving towards the camera and people literally ran out in fear of the fake train video show. this just shows people are afraid of things they dont know and dont understand. give it time, this will be the future, a better and more realistic future. also, THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS TOO MUCH REAL!
It's not. I saw an idiot on Twitter make assumptions about future correlations with Unrecord that definitely had, "Videogames cause violence" vibes. Something about the game making people want to shoot up schools because it looks too good? LMAO no.
The hyper-realism conversation does draw another topic worth touching on. Even right now, games can be immersive, and it can be a lot to handle. Our brains store memories of VR as any other normal memory. What psychological repercussions could this pose? Can serious trauma come from simple gameplay? If so, how as an industry do we address this? With content warnings? To what end? It's a rabbit hole of questions.
i dont think the main problem would be memory-wise but more of psychologically-wise : to put it short its normalising extreme violence on other humans to put it long now: when talking about flatscreen gaming we have a distance wich is that the player is using a controller and looking at a screen to control his character but VR is changing all of that (in a good way) you are now the character doing the actions and as far as VR goes for now there isnt any problems. yes realistic combat games like onward already exist but the VR isnt that real yet (not only in graphics but also in animations for the characters and the fact that the player is still using controllers and not doing 100% of the actions themselves) but with hyper-realism, its going show people what killing someone by shooting looks like and possibly even feels like, that is pretty fucked up but i dont see no problem with it, however in my opinion its becoming really dangerous the moment that same person is going to play that game like he would play any game, and after a bit of time he would be de-sensitized to the feeling of killing a person and that is REAL DANGER tbh im just looking forward to erp in 8K why would anybody wanna feel like they're doing some liveleak footage in VR XD
Well, That's what age restrictions are for. So that you don't get traumatized by playing something that isn't for your age or has content that you don't like.
@Er50 I feel a bit more detail would be ideal. Especially considering people's personal stressors. ESRB's markers are great for pancake games, but they lack detail for a VR game.
@@soniasquishy An example would be the oculus store, it tells you how intense the interaction is with each VR game. IMDb also details a lot in its "parents guide" section Edit: Maybe ESRB or PEGI will need groups to specifically analyze vr games
I can't believe they are actually implementing laying down mode on the quest, it's something I've been dreaming of but I didn't think would actually happen!
Like any game that does not line with their personal beliefs lol. I remember this happened with Doom (1993) and it was criticized by religious organizations for its alleged diabolic undertones and was dubbed as a "mass murder simulator." What happened after? It was released anyway and gamers/people in general grew thicker skin, it was that easy.
VALVE! JUST MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE DECKARD ALREADY! Also, i can't believe meta is killing their acquired developers. that really stings. i really hope they won't absolutely kill beatsaber this way.
They will, the second it stops making 'enough' money Or when they fall beneath some arbitrary user threshold 10k regular players wasn't enough for Echo. What will be enough for those ghouls?
I honestly think that having a game/world/universe that's hyper realistic is the best thing that could ever exist for humanity. Everyone's first thought is "Violence this realistic will promote violence in the real life." but I could argue the exact opposite. Imagine a world where whenever anyone feels the urge to commit a crime, hurt a person, or do any other unlawful actions they could just throw on a headset or log onto there computer and commit crimes somewhere that has no real world consequences. That's just the violence aspect, there's already million of people that play games like airsoft and paintball and so many more that would want to but cant afford the gear or have time to go. VR games becoming this realistic could invent entire new sports and activities that people have never even imagined. Everything new is going to have its downsides, I do see the possible issues with realistic games this well made but I always choose to see the best outcome. This is honestly awesome.
The difference is you know you're in a video game, no matter how realistic it is or not. Realism has no bearing on it if it's okay or not. I'm a lucid dreamer, I can be fully aware that I'm in a dream, I can even control the dream. I do things I'd never do in real life in those dreams. It has no bearing on what I'd do in real life, nor makes it wrong.
Thumbnail doesn't match the title, stop trying to clickbait people. For context, the picture in the thumbnail is from a very realistic flatscreen game, not a vr game. The developers have even said they wont be porting the game to VR.
Holy shit you seem to be right. He has become another youtuber that literally lies in the title/thumbnail so no video can be trusted anymore, he is so pathetic. I guess I'll unsubscribe from here as well.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Even though the developer has stated they wont be porting the game to vr, we can all hope that it does happen in the future as it would be an incredible experience.
While I've not been following for all 4 years, I've been delighted beeing part of it once found and seeing your growth. Thank you for doing what you do.
I think the morality issue comes not from the realistic graphics themselves but more that the realistic simulations cause humans to become desensitized to horrific actions like shooting others since the line between fiction and reality is blurred graphically. If you look through social media, many people can't separate fiction from reality already. Generations growing up with social media causes alot of narcissism to be rewarded and act with main character syndrome in real life. Just look at the shitty way people from tiktok treat others like a prop or npc for their shitty content. Desensitized mentality will probably not help those kinds of actions
Social networks are not the same as a multiplayer game like call of duty. The controversy that violent video games cause violence has been going on for a long time, video games are not responsible Social networks... Well, that's another topic
If i dont get to hop in murder simulator in 5 years and forget that im not actually commiting crimes because of video game "ethics" im going to be really mad
I can see in the future that something like Los Santos might be illegal in hyper realistic vr. Imagine a VR video game based on heists and blowing up cities with hyper realistic google scanned imagery based on actual public spaces.
Unrecord wouldn't work the same way in VR... what makes it feel "super realistic" is, mostly, a result of how the camera is handled. Which works well in flatscreen, but just won't be effective in VR, where you can't manipulate the player's view like that.
Maybe it depends on the person. For me personally, the knowledge of something being fake always easily separates it in my mind. Horror games and movies have never phased me in the slightest, even when I was a small child, because I always knew and understood that they aren't real. But of course not everyone is like that.
lil over 2 years of vrchat, 5000hours and I still keep forgetting there is more to vr than what ever the fuck we are doing partying and cuddling in vrc.
In 1990’s topic of games realism, at the time was silly, but now, as graphic engines improved, higher polygon count grows to an insurmountable number, and having new developments on ray tracing, lighting and fidelity, the topic slowly turned from silly to serious, and unrecord is in no doubt a example of it
I'm late, but I showed a bit of the of Unrecord footage to my mother out of context when the trailer first dropped. Didn't show her any gunshots being fired off and especially didn't show her any UI elements in it. The moment I paused it, she was like "That's a video game right?" I replied "You can tell??" to which she said "Yeah it _looks_ like a video game." SHE HAS NOT PLAYED VIDEO GAMES SINCE THE ORIGINAL SUPER MARIO!!! How is she able to discern that??
Once AI start narrating and talking with proper dialogue in a couple years, and this..... MMOs and stories are going to be epic with this level of details EDIT: meta acquiring and laying people off is shithouse, zuckerdouche
Just imagine each npc having a slightly different AI on the level of chatgpt or something (but programmed for the mmorpg world) People will be actively chatting with npcs.
Bro I also want sword fighting realism, soon I want a controller that can change its weight and put force back on your arms, it will happen just not in the near future
This channel has been a big part of me looking to try creating my own RUclips play through videos in VR. I'm a socially awkward person, and this medium allows me to express myself virtually.
Just imagine the realism with historical tragedies, wars, and events it would be interesting to look at a recreation while just being a person in the scene.
Now imagine simplifying it for sake of time or something more sinister and the realism makes people believe the lies even more deeply. Like Columbus thinking he reached India at a time when India was called Hindustan and the people, Hindus. While he wrote he reached some place new. Not justifying anything. Just saying that cherry picked, curated and manufactured history is dangerous.
Hyper Immersion almost killed me in the 1970s. When I was a kid, we would wear Styrofoam bubbles (football shaped capsules) strapped to our backs when we went swimming instead of inflatable floaties kids use today on their arms. At some point, me or my mom removed the bubble and after some time, I thought it was still there. Hyper Immersion caused my brain to think I was still wearing it. I've had a similar, but briefer, experience after roller skating for a while and then removing the roller skates. Anyway, I happily jumped into the pool and remember looking up at the swirling sun as I sank to the bottom of the pool. Thankfully, my mom saw me, dove in, and saved my from drowning. But the mind plays crazy tricks on us when immersed in reality. At some point, someone's going to commit a real murder and claim they thought they were in a virtual reality or that they were tricked into committing a murder they thought was virtual. Side note: Yes, I get the double entendre regarding Hyper Immersion and drowning, hehe 🙂
It’s worth noting that “monthly active users” could literally just mean a user who turned their headset on to check and see if there was anything new, and if not, turned it back off. Companies like to use those metrics but aren’t transparent about how they’re measuring that. After working on different product teams, yea those metrics are BS
It’s all perfectly okay to do anything in VR. Just like explicit lyrics were challenged, just like violent games were, it’s all just about entertainment and expression. It’s okay to put that behind an M or A rated label and such, but not okay to stop it.
It's a game bruh. It's about a dective, and outside of games in the real world it is legally and morally ok to defend your life with lethal force. Besides, once you say one action is not okay because realism, then *ALL* games will become subject to censorship and forced conformity.
a little dark humor for ya.... Somewhere someone's getting murdered by a real robot while your goal is to get enough xp to upgrade components. You did it Ender XD
I think once people stop being able to distinguish whether their actions are done in a virtual world, or a real one, that's when stuff should get banned. I personally would love to try extreme experiences like that, but I know not everyone can handle that kinda stuff even being around. I've never had trouble remembering that my actions in VR are different than my actions in real life, that's never been a question, but if that someday gets foggy, that's a dangerous ledge to be on.
I remember the first time I played Half Life Alyx, and having a pistol in my hand that I could not drop. Where my hand pointed, there was a gun pointing with it, at a one to one overlay of real physical space, a gun, something that could be used to harm others. It's quite disturbing for the majority of people outside of the US who don't have or use guns all the time, or for any time really. Sure, I was playing a character, it was only a video game, but the fact that my hand held a gun... it just felt really wrong. It's just hard to do violence when you are the one swinging the sword or pulling the trigger, and the target is just a normal person. It's not even close to my reality, but for some reason people want to simulate it virtually. It's not always fun to do murder simulations all the time. :-(
I remember the first time i killed a human in The walking dead Saints & Sinners. When the character started to back down and begged for his life i was genuinely shocked. But after the third time i didn't even cared. Even if a game feels realistic at first, eventually it will stay a game and nothing changes. I think, to get down the "games trigger violence" route, there is a correlation between extreme violence or realistic violence in games and real life violence. But a correlation doesn't mean a causality. When someone is violent in the real life, he likes playing realistic and violent games because he can do something he shouldn't do in the real world but that doesn't mean, that every player who is playing those games would act out violence or even have the urge to do it. I see one big and real problem: When people are getting detached from reality and start do fuse the virtual with the real. The more realistic, and the more accessories for realism there are, the more people will get this problem. Maybe not in a dangerous way, but some will.
I dont think its too much of an issue. YES it is very realistic, and YES you do shoot at real looking humans. But you know what else is basically the same if not more realistic? Airsoft! Airsoft is a game where you hold guns that look real, feel real and even have simple recoil (blowback). Yet its not really a problem since players can differentiate that that is just a game. (when you do to some of the hardcore milsim events there are even people shooting with blank guns around you. So you even smell the gunpowder + hear shots)
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Also, what do you think? I found this topic to be extremely interesting and I wanted to extend the conversation about "what is too real in a game" to VR.
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I've gotten to the point in the video where you're asking "how real is too real?"/"or is it all just polygons, and we should detach ourselves from the virtual?" and IMO that question has never REALLY mattered. Parents for ages have struggled to understand that games I've been playing on the computer are with real people and can't always just be paused, to give an idea that the "spirit" of this question has been around a while already.
It's the wrong question, because "real" and "virtual" doesn't matter to your brain: they both create memories, they both teach you lessons, they both elicit emotional reactions, they both can allow interactions (both good and bad) with other humans. Even if both mediums are not physical, to your brain they are BOTH "reality".
getting veteran Flash backs of EA doing that to companys back in the 90's again .
my opinion:
worst effects of ultra realism: brainwashing tool
likely effects of ultra realism: discord-mod syndrome (user develops preference to simulation over reality)
effects on normal people: im broke from Gpu purchase and nvidia makes millions
Congrats for anniversary and all the labour of love :>
Though per Index being the defacto for PCVR, I still prefer Vive, if nothing else than how irritating those over-the-ear not touching pieces are~
Per "what is too real," I think the creep will only increase and worry about collateral damage in process of discovering parameters of safety for physical/mental health, which exists moreso within the current artificial scarcity reality for most people.
just wait till all the controversies combine. You're going to have a hyper-realistic "adult" game with ai generated deepfakes and audio. That's when all this is going to get real crazy, we all know it's coming eventually and the controversy will be amazing lmao
we got a weird future... that's for sure.
Crazy? Maybe. Nice to have? Hell yea.
I think having those kind of hyper realistic sims would be beneficial for society, a lot of people go crazy simply over being too lonely, they turn into creeps and rapists or kill themselves. If you can get 90% of a relationship in vr, especially one that you can literally build yourself without the problems that come with a real one, I see it keeping a lot of people happy. BUT!!!! I think deepfaking people into it WITHOUT consent should never be allowed. That would genuinely cause lots of problems on the human brain as far as parasocial relationships go. Like some dude having a virtual girlfriend modeled off someone who chose to do it, that’s fine cuz they’ll never meet them in real life most likely. Now imagine someone deepfaking their co-worker into whatever fantasy they want, developing this complete one sided fake relationship and then actually seeing them irl everyday, biggggg yikes.
When AI becomes able to mimic anything with total fidelity, on the internet,how will we ever be able to know what is real or fake?
Get ready for the singularity.
Unrecord is insanely impressive but I also think it's important to understand some of the tricks going on here. There's blur, chromatic aberration, lowered resolution, all these things to make our view look more like a real camera, but these things also assist at hiding imperfections. Unrecord is realistic because of masterful trickery, making the lighting and animation as realistic as possible while deprioritizing things that are hidden by the medium. VR is a long way from true realism, not just because of the added resource usage VR inherently needs but also because it's much harder to emulate actual human experience than say... a camera or something similar.
Yeah it looks awesome as does a lot of stuff in UE5, but I was pretty surprised people genuinely thought it was real and I think it’s the post processing making it look like a camera doing the heavy lifting. Even ignoring animations, there’s clear things like the bottoms of the silver barrels being just a flat plane that are clearly not real.
It’s more like the uncanny valley I’d say, where it’s very close but some stuff just seems a hair off. I don’t think we’ll be able to get completely indistinguishable from reality games until we have the power to have a fully path traced game run on most hardware.
(I know Cyberpunk has path tracing now but it cripples a 4090, so developers aren’t gonna target that level of performance )
One day we will. Likely in our lifetime even.
Doesn't matter what they're doing. It works. Unreal engine 5 looks real even without those things.
@@xguitarist_ Right? I first saw the demo in a gotcha-style video where they guy first showed the clip and only later “revealed” it's not real footage and my first reaction was “hey, that's a pretty good render.” I genuinely don't understand how people think it's real. The lighting is pretty wonky, half the textures are completely flat, specular maps need a _ton_ of work…
Technologically, it's extremely impressive and if the developer puts in the work to polish up the assets, it will look really good, but nowhere close to real life footage.
Finally, someone with some sense lol.
A 2nd vr headset from valve may be expected, but you can never expect a 3rd headset with their history of games
VR headsetlife 3 confirmed!?!
Id be cool if they've been developing HL3 in preparation for deckard
cant wait for valve index: alyx
Still waiting for Episode 3... I mean 1 and 2 are in the VR mod already, we finally need to close that gap!
@@CakePrincessCelestia Episode 3 is not coming mate, if they ever continue with the story its gonna merge into Halflife 3.
"When 4 years go by without anything official, pessimism starts to mount."
That's just how good old Valve is LMAO
They're working on it. That's straight from the Coomer's mouth.
@@jacobwolf9840 Lol Coomer's mouth. Yeah but there's such a thing as "Valve Time" for a reason, they love to take forever to make their stuff, it always ends up being great 99% of the time but it takes forever. I'm guessing 2025-2026 at the earliest unless something has changed inside the company.
Half life 3 is coming though. One day. It'll be a launch title for PC 2
Sounds like my love life. Bazing! Oh, I made myself sad. :(
@@zaidlacksalastname4905 PC 2 LOL
Atleast murder in realistic games doesn't come with jail... probably
saying "in minecraft" will now be "in vr"
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Yeah, that'd really stick a spanner in the works. We get to experience a hyper-realistic gun fight in VR, follow by a hyper realistic prison experiene.
Just to add to the convo. We already have people who have grown up seeing gore on LiveLeak. While they may be desensitized to that type of content, that's what it is. Experiencing it in reality even then is fundamentally different, and I can't imagine anyone wants to see those things irl.
Virtual Reality may be another level of interaction but that also means the reality equivalent is as well. People's empathy will kick in long before they start to genuinely consider actually doing something like that.
Let's say they are indistinguishable not just visually but wholistically, people will simply either be able to separate it in their thoughts, or will probably feel too strongly to play it. If neither, they probably are a vast minority, and already had underlying issues.
Thanks, I think people forget that if you can't distinguish from reality they empathy kicks in, if it doesn't then they already have a morality issue.
Arguably you could detect early onset of crime using online games but that's a bit dystopian
Not just liveleak. But yes there's a clear segregation between real and virtual and that line hasn't been blurred yet. It's encroaching, but not there at this time.
@@Mallchad
Extremely dystopian
@@TheRealityWarper08 Not necessarily! If you drop the cyber surveillance / "tough on crime" mindset and approach the problem from a therapy standpoint, then it becomes an early diagnostic tool instead. Just put a high-visibility, stern warning at the front like they do for epilepsy, and people with a problem will know they have a problem and can seek treatment of their own accord. And if they don't, then they wouldn't have anyway, so society's no worse off. You even get some fringe benefit of people who mistakenly believe themselves to have sociopathy (sometimes happens to people with subdued/atypical emotional responses) can conclusively prove to themselves that they're fine actually.
@@CaraiseLink we'd also have to drop the idea that corporations would sell that data for profit and advertising, or that law enforcement wouldn't use it to further bias the system against any undesirable group... that feels like too much suspension of disbelief to me, at least in america haha
Although a visible, active, opt-in I wouldn't mind.
something that happens with me is that I don't really remember what happened in vr after like 3 hours, its almost like a dream I can barely remember, or being drunk/high.
You can actually use vr for dreaming
Same, pretty much.
Same
yeah there is definitely a disconnect with reality, regardless of realism.
Out of curiosity, how old are you? Absolutely zero offense, just asking.
the biggest reason I haven't ever really been lost in a VR game is I don't have forced feedback, and even with it, objects don't really have weight, so my hands always feel weird. and I get the feeling even if this game is in VR, it still won't feel just right. I understand that you might have tec that can get you lost but that isn't too accessible for most people. but idk I like to ride things out, so I guess we will see where this heads.
It's going to take a while to get what you want. For me, it's all about presence and atmosphere. I still get a kick out of modded skyrim vr, and seeing a scaled dragon across the sky. I'm just happy that I don't have to be 80 years old for vr to get this far.
ngl I don't want to pay 60 bucks for Skyrim lol. I do still love VR, I just don't get lost it, like I am always aware it's just a game. to me it's like playing on a pc, but I can control stuff with my body instead of a mouse. which is still amazing for me. I'm bad at most video games but good at things IRL, so when it comes to something like a bow in VR, it lets me play to my fullest.
@@creaturecrazy2976there is a special haptic gloves being made. You can feel what you described and the force feedback. I'm unable to release much more then that and I can't say whois making it etc other then just wait it willnve well worth it.
@@creaturecrazy2976I go around interviewing companies if im able to get my foot in the door. Alot of cool things. But since I've been busy and been not exactly feeling the best I'm months behind I got this info around 4-5 months ago after I get my galbladder surgery done and I recover imma get back into the tech industry research and interviews and will post more info in thrills community
As for the question about hyper realistic simulations, I think this argument has been going on for a very long time, certainly longer than VR has been around. The same things have been said about cinema, TV, and basically all other mediums. In the end, these experiences are forms of artistic expression, just like a disturbing poem or violent movie. They are not meant to be treated in the same way as physical reality. It's pretty exciting to see this type of fidelity, can't wait to see where it goes!
Pretty much. If movies like John Wick can exist, so can video games.
In other words... Stop being p******.
@@fabledorchid8410 that's the catch- you're not controlling john wick. I dont think immediately saying its "bad" is the way to go, but having it be indistinguishable from reality changes the conversation a bit. Especially if AI gets integrated in a way that creates realistic human behavior, since that's exploding too right now.
It's a very philosophical and ethical debate (some people told me to add psychology, which makes sense). I hope it can be addressed by those who have worked in those fields and published on a mass scale.
> _They are not meant to be treated in the same way as physical reality._
And the difference with hyper realistic simulations is that the medium is trying to be experienced the same way as physical reality
Please don't oversell Unrecorded.
It works this well because the bodycam premise lets them hide all the faults in the photogrammetry. (genius idea btw.)
This wouldn't translate to VR at all.
And on that matter, hyperrealism will come anyway. That's unstoppable, so we better learn to deal with it ASAP.
> _Please don't oversell Unrecorded._
He didn't. It was just an example to show where the technology is going and is happening sooner than people think
They wouldn't have a VR version if it didn't work.
@@cenciende9401 There isn't, it's a unofficial nut job just like the flatscreen version a HL Alyx.
Also the older prototype is a official UE5 demo scene.
Publicly accessible to every one.
The future of VR is going to be EXTREMELY interesting!
hopefully it piques public interest enough it may take off
unrecord isnt a vr game..
Yea I can’t wait when triple A games come to VR
@@HowlingWolves No but its a leading indicator of where things are slowly headed
5 or 6 years probably
There already is a game in vr that gives me the same vibes as unrecord called bloodtrail, it has hyper-realistic body deformation from guns (you shoot someone in the head with a shotgun, it looks like you just split open a cantaloupe). It's fun to play but it can be kinda scary because you can turn on ai that just runs and doesn't fight back and there's a map that eerily looks like a school to me. I couldn't imagine how crazy this will be if the experience of blood trail combined with the fidelity of unrecord.
That sounds like a dream come true for psychopaths.
i love blood trail, stop being a sissy
@@AJ-po6up na, just a good game, youre just a boomer
I can see my 1660 on fire already just by looking at Unrecord’s gameplay…
it's highly optimised shut up
If it uses that nanite rendering stuff maybe it won't run so bad.
The makers said that they try to increase performance as much as possible, but expect AAA game performance
my 4090 however is awaiting the challenge.
@@noshutboy Yea nanite is insane. Pretty soon software solutions like nanite will likely make the need for better and better graphics cards every year a thing of the past (at least in the gaming sphere)
I guess ray-tracing is around to give our hardware a challenge for a little while yet, but as the hardware gets better and we start finding clever software solutions for ray-tracing to make it more efficient, it'll all meet in the middle at some point. Probably sooner than we think.
It's crazy to think about how your videos literally got me hooked on VR 3ish - 4 years ago. I remember after building my first pc, I settled for the rift s and would rewatch your videos to learn how to take care of my headset because it was literally one of the most expensive things I have bought at the time.
It has been one heck of a journey and I look forward to more VR developments.
Here's to many more awesome VR news, tech, and software reviews!
Same here, after watching him for a while I went with the Rift S for my first headset and had a blast with it, crazy it has been 4 years.
I think we’re still too far from games being real.
Id say we have 5-15 years till games are indistinguishable from reality.
@@kami_dred7319judging by how fast techs advancing, this is prob accurate
@@kami_dred7319 10 years in term of graphics.
20 for physics
Just a reminder that Crysis released in 2007. 15 years ago.
We were supposed to have helper robots and flying cars by year 2000. Instead we have impending AI, social media and war in Europe.
Just food for thought.
@@tomaszwota1465
Well war in Europe is certainly nothing new...
Congrats on your 4 year anniversary, and thank you for being the most amazing VR youtuber there is - there is no one like you out there so I cannot express with words how grateful I and others are for your massive commitment to the world of VR - your videos certainly never disappoint :D
If vr feels too real and becomes a problem for someone..then they probably shouldn't vr. This is what we got into vr for.
I honestly prefer stylized art direction, if I wanted realistic graphics I would just go outside lmao.
@@crackny4n i'd rather noot experience a warehouse gunfight or space game flying too close to a black hole irl?
realistic graphics can be just as interesting as stylized. Unrecord with it's bodycam view proves that
This is the same argument that can be used for many things prohibitited by society, unfortunately the few that can't handle it often ruin it for everyone.
@@crackny4n You remind me of an idiot in my class back in High School who would talk shit when I was praising the Xbox 360's graphics for sports games.
He would say that playing sports games like baseball and basketball are stupid when you can go outside and play the actual sport itself.
😂😂😂
@@crackny4n have fun with that outside game..hope it has multiplayer🤣🤣
A hyper realistic VRchat would be all kinds of cool and weird. I wonder, if posed with the opportunity to have a hyper realistic avatar, would you make an ideal version of yourself, or would it be some one/ something else?
I've seen some very well done worlds that come close and even avatars.
A hyper realistic VRchat would be literally the metaverse.
The main appeal of VRChat is that it lets you be whoever you want to be. Why would you want to be a hyper realistic version of yourself is beyond me even if it was ideal :v I prefer looking at anime girls and femboys than realistic people :v
I feel like most people would go with being something else, even if just for the convenience of not having to make a personally customized avatar 😅
Apparently VRChat was intentionally not realistic by design. I wonder if the answers to your question are related
I think the most worrying part was that Boz killed Echo because he thought the money could be best spent on other things, and the Ready at Dawn folks said they were killing Echo VR to divert resources (I think) to their next project, and now the staff at RaD are getting canned. It seems like there is some kind of mixed message stuff happening with Meta currently, especially since I heard lately that they are going to focus more on releasing games as well as other VR/AR related things.
Despite all of that, I still remain hopefull for the future of VR, because it's already amazing, and I think for the naysayers, if they have an opportunity to actually try it, and not Richies Plank (into a TV) experience, or Roller Coaster Vomit simulator, then they would feel the same as we do.
Meta honestly seems like it seems in shambles right now. nobody seems to have any idea where they're going with the company other than, "make better hardware"
@@Mallchad Well making better hardware is what they always should've focused on, it was the cornerstone of Oculus, leave the game development and management of IPs to others, 'cause clearly Meta sucks at it.
@@AJ-po6up Arguably yes, it got real annoying when Oculus started writing standalone software, even the occulus store is kind of a meme really
Second in the race to develop widespread VR with no prior following and demands exclusivity... Joy
I can confirm, my Quest 2 is just a dust gathering paperweight at the moment for the sole reason that I can't wear it for longer than like 15 minutes right now because I haven't gotten a new headstrap and am using the stock one
Please do yourself a favour and get a BoboVR M2+ with battery. Absolute game changer.
Then go get a better strap? You're saying it like its their fault lol. Nobody cares whether u are playing or not mate, but i you want to play and that's what keeps you from playing, then buy a better strap. Their goal is introducing the most people to VR. So if they can sell a cheaper headset with a worse strap then that's a good thing. It means X more people buying their first headset and falling in love with VR.
yoo give it to me then
I think that if something is virtual, IT IS virtual, so its ok to have some ultra realistic games, but i dont know, everyone react in a different way on everything, so i really think this is something to discuss about
AI is virtual. That doesn't make it ok to abuse it when it gets to the point of being on par with human consciousness
@@NelemNaru
But we're not talking about sentient AI(an entirely different conversation). We're talking about graphics lmfao.
"If something is virtual, its virtual" is not exactly a hot take lol
I think as adults we ought to be capable of distinguishing fiction from reality. Still, there's nothing magical about turning 18 that suddenly gives you a well adjusted mind. I'm interested to see where this goes, but I also am aware that children WILL play these games. While it's their parent's responsibility, it's all of our consequence.
@@cassolmedia Hyper realistic violent games will pander to some, others will stay away. Personally i'm hyped for hyper realistic medieval full dive combat. Preferably with full pain feedback.
@@thelelanatorlol3978 I'll pass on the full pain lol... but i honestly would be down for some medieval full dive action. I think for me it's far enough removed from reality that I could enjoy it. Just like gunning people down in modern day Detroit or something is too close to reality for my comfort.
Thank goodness I found your videos so long ago, I have a scratch in my headset lenses, and I saw from your quest torture test about polywatch, and it just showed up today.
The first thing I thought when i saw unrecorded was: what would this look like in vr?
What I want to see is hyper-realistic horror vr games. I would be terrified
that would definitely be something
You are literally watching a video about a hyper realistic zombie game
Go play Alien Isolation in VR.
@@D4rk3clipse wait you can? Is it a mod on the stand alone game or a seperate instance. I actually got the game during a bundle once never booted it though:rofl:
@@Drag0nvil I'm not sure, just saw a video of a guy playing that while being scared shitless. So, it's possible.
When you shoot at people in airsoft it's not disturbing, and it's currently the closest thing to shooting at people. In my opinion, the same should be for videogames, no matter how realistic and immersive the experience is, at the end of the day, you can take your headset off or go to the parking lot and drink some beers with the other airsoft players.
I don't feel like there's a need to detach yourself from the virtual world. It's just that repercussions of actions in VR are limited to the digital world. For me, if there was a real life place where you can break stuff but at the end of the day, everything is cleaned up and restored, the consequences of doing something in that place would be the same as the consequences of doing it in a virtual environment. The actions taken place in virtual worlds usually have short lasting effects and they are usually separate from the real world, but they are still valid actions that are part of your life, nobody can change that, even if they believe "it's just some pixels". Someone collecting ultra rare coins would value his collection in a similar way someone would value their favourite game save file. They would grief if they lost it or had it damaged, they both can take actions to expand and change these treassures, and in the eyes of others, they might have no value at all, it's just a nerdy silly thing they don't care about. But you shouldn't listen to what others think, you should care about what matters to you.
Honestly, I think the vocal people saying hyper realism is too much are the ones you need to watch out for lol
My Quest 2 has sat on a shelf for nearly a year since I've gotten myself an Index, its highly unlikely that the platform is going to die, but its vastly more populated than anything else I've come across in my time in VR.
As someone who consistently plays the most realistic and violent games for hundreds of hours each, I'm still afraid of and avoidant of real gore because it is VERY psychologically different
Real gore is terrible, and literally rewires your brain. That's the thought behind kids not playing violent games, till they're old enough to differentiate between real and fake. Cuz once you identify that it's not real, it just ceases to disturb even a little bit
@@GlorifiedGremlin Sure I guess. That's like what though? 3-5 years old? although I still wouldn't let young kids get into gory video games regardless since I don't want them to be desensitized to fake gore (could get quite difficult to watch TV with them at the very least)
I stumbled onto r/eyeblech (gore subreddit, don't go to it lmao) when I was like 13. Now I can look at stuff like that without even flinching, and its very concerning. I feel that this hyper-realistic vr will have a similar effect if younger audiences get access to it
Remember stumbling across your channel back in 2019 and thought the content was way too good for the amount of subs it had. You've come a long way Thrill! Looking forward for more awesome, actionpacked, informational, funny, VR years to come. Lets show people why we love VR and show the way of how the people want it! not huge monopolized companies! anyways love your vids as always have a good TUESDAY NEWSDAY!!!
Awww
couldn't have said it better
The PCVR Quest 2 stat is interesting. I am one of those people, I never play standalone. If there were an inside-out tracked, wireless PCVR headset for around the $500 mark without standalone capabilities I would buy it in a heartbeat.
Literally just an onboard processor for the wireless, and that's it. I want it so badly. It could be so much less of a brick than the Quest 2
As soon as simulation and reality aren't distinguishable anymore I'm gonna go full SOA
Sons of Anarchy? Never got into it. Is it as good as Sword Art Online? (I tease because I care)
The things people do in games and experience while viewing any form of media definitely have a massive impact on them. This is true to the extreme when it comes to games in general, let alone hyper realistic forms of gaming such as VR that enhances the senses and realism. This is already obvious in how we look at media such as RUclips or TikTok; it makes you feel emotion and experience things that you otherwise would not experience in your daily life. All that being said, it is one of those doubled-edged swords that is both a blessing and a curse. Shooting at very realistic human avatars or AI is going to deeply effect some people and cause a very real reaction, while at the same time other people shoot at them and not think twice about how real it feels. Much like the rest of the internet, it's a self-prescribed experience. You need to know your own self and limits before going in, because everyone will reach a part of the internet or media that is too much for them to handle.
definitely have been considering the realism thing myself. I love VR because the tech is fascinating and it's wonderful how it can connect people who are distant, but I do wonder about the ramifications of hyper immersion.
I've been interested into too-real-looking games. Seen this video last week but had to rewatch it over 10 times...
SEARKER! Theirs a movie called "Brain Scan" from 1994. The ending is amazing and is a poetic cautionary tale of what your talking about. It stars the kid from Terminator 2 all grown up
I wondered when this topic would start getting traction
as a long time vr enthusiast I say the more realistic and immersive the better.
Hi Thrill,
I've been following your videos ever since I got my quest back in late 2020, and I just wanted to thank you for sharing your passion for VR with the rest of the world (Warning, I rambled a bit, so I left a TLDR at the bottom).
Ever since my 10-year-old self first saw gameplay of Job Simulator back in 2016, I knew I wanted a VR headset more than anything else, but back then, I never even thought it was possible to get my hands on a VR headset in the near future, let alone a standalone one that didn't need to be powered by a bulky PC. Because of that, it truly amazes me that my (what I thought to be) far-fetched dreams came true 3 years ago when I got the best birthday present ever--a quest 1--and since then I've always been jumping at the next big thing when I was able, upgrading to quest 2 and eventually getting a really nice used gaming laptop (mostly) just to play PCVR. I mean it when I say that my life is twice as good with VR because of all the amazing people I've met, all the thrilling games I've played, and all the jaw-dropping visuals I've seen (I'm looking at you, HL Alyx!).
I am honestly shocked that my generation, who lived and breathed Minecraft, Roblox, and other creativity-indulging games throughout elementary and middle school, aren't as enthusiastic about this new era of gaming and all the mind-blowing possibilities it brings to the table, but I am glad that people like you are still out there, as few in number as they are currently. People like you, especially you, keep me excited and happy and amazed for the future by making videos about all the cutting-edge VR tech and experiences that are coming to the surface right now.
Most importantly, though, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks VR is the best thing since sliced bread.
I'm so glad I'm not the only human who is absolutely giddy whenever, something, anything, new comes out in the VR world.
I'm so glad you're making awesome content and enjoying this incredible thing as much as I am.
Thank you.
TLDR; I've been engrossed in VR ever since 2016, and I'm shocked that my dreams came true as early as they did and that I have a quest and PCVR of my own. Even though most people aren't as thrilled about VR as I am, I am so so appreciative of the people who share my passion and are creating incredible VR content like this. Thank you for everything!
3:45 for the big topic.
This coming from someone who is very sensitive to VR already, and I get phantom sense and such.
1. Old video games are not like VR, especially this extreme realism - I always had anxiety throughout my life, and immediately before getting VR my mind was in a dark place because I was only surrounded by negative people yelling at each other, and I was having massive sleep deprivation for many many months. So just being in the same room as people made me uncomfortable/angry. One day my brain needed a break so I played a game, I saw a character in a story saying some thoughts I was thinking before they did a thing, and it made me get VR as a last resort kinda thing because it's expensive. Luckily it removed my anxiety, and now I feel happy & comfortable being near people in real life. Able to be in the center of a room with no problems, instead of being the wall flower that goes around corners whenever possible like I used to be.
Point of this story is that, one game can heal someone by placing them in an environment that makes them feel positive around other people, then there's a good chance another game can make people feel negative around other people IRL. With that happening often enough, I feel some people would be either desensitized, and even probably influenced to do such things in real life. Empathy will stop people normally, however you know it'll happen because ya know people are gonna peer pressure each other into playing slashy gun man shooter 9000 to try to get them to "toughen up" or to "prepare just in case".
This coming from someone that always thought that video game violence was total BS since I grew up with violent video games all my life, and I was always the least violent person around. However, VR, and especially extreme realism changes that significantly. Flat screen games can be more of a stress release, but VR kinda puts your mind into the situation, which can cause more stress later.
2. Decisions made in the moment can be a big deal - My subconscious is thoroughly fooled by VR, even when in a world that looks like it was made on the n64. I will catch myself doing some things instinctively in VR because my subconscious brain is treating it like reality. Thing is, while not everyone is this sensitive to VR, I'm sure there's plenty other people that get this way. I would imagine spending a lot of time in VR could make you reflexively do things IRL. So doing violent things is an obvious bad thing, but I'm sure there's other things that the brain might think is a good idea in the split second thinking that could be terrible.
3. AI combined with realism is going to be a problem - AI gets better everyday. Eventually it will be able to replace your friends while they are gone. Imagine if you had a realistic looking version of your friend. That's pretty scary. Also a problem if you end up preferring AI friends over humans. After all, I would imagine AI could give you all the help you could ever need at any time, but humans often have problems in their lives, and emotions can do some damage.
Awesome a new vid! I would love to hear your thoughts on the new XR Elite. I got it and I'm not crazy about it.
This is exactly Mortal Kombat in the 90s.
Even if graphics get photo realisitic: as long as the FoV and resolution is not high enough it doesn’t feel real to me.
I had the hp reverb g2, the index and the quest 2. All, without exception had way too low resolution and FoV to feel even remotely real, let alone the graphics.
Don’t get me wrong, I think VR can have a bright future but we are still generations away of high fidelity and high field of view together.
I loved Alyx, best game I’ve ever experienced but other then that nothing blew me away like alyx
for me it's the brightness and textures.
I'm lucky enough to have good enough vision to count the needles on a pinetree down the street, but even if it does get to a point where i can't tell the difference...
if i have a headset attached to my face, I can tell it's fake
Than.
NOT then.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Thank you for your contribution ;-)
Thanks for 4 great years dude, your videos are great
Happy anniversary Thrill, its been a pleasure....
Keep doin what you doin bud, I need's my VR news.
Much love from the UK
This reminds me of the first movie in history being shown.
a train moving towards the camera and people literally ran out in fear of the fake train video show.
this just shows people are afraid of things they dont know and dont understand.
give it time, this will be the future, a better and more realistic future.
also, THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS TOO MUCH REAL!
I’m glad it’s coming to the point where games are looking like real life so I can experience real life scenarios
Like doing something that’ll traumatize you for the rest of your life?
I wouldn't be surprised if someone creates George Floyd Simulator VR for free to the public.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M not possible, the only way to truly go through that experience is to have loads of fentanyl.
The most concerning thing that came up with Unrecord was how easy it would be to deep fake almost any scenario with the help of AI .
i think more games should look as real like this, no matter the genre. it's just a video game guys, idk why this is some kind of moral dilemma.
It's not. I saw an idiot on Twitter make assumptions about future correlations with Unrecord that definitely had, "Videogames cause violence" vibes. Something about the game making people want to shoot up schools because it looks too good? LMAO no.
Hey I mean, Im sure the military would LOVE to get their hands on a super-immersive training simulation.
Theres that if all else fails XD
The hyper-realism conversation does draw another topic worth touching on.
Even right now, games can be immersive, and it can be a lot to handle.
Our brains store memories of VR as any other normal memory. What psychological repercussions could this pose? Can serious trauma come from simple gameplay? If so, how as an industry do we address this? With content warnings? To what end?
It's a rabbit hole of questions.
i dont think the main problem would be memory-wise but more of psychologically-wise : to put it short its normalising extreme violence on other humans
to put it long now: when talking about flatscreen gaming we have a distance wich is that the player is using a controller and looking at a screen to control his character but VR is changing all of that (in a good way) you are now the character doing the actions and as far as VR goes for now there isnt any problems. yes realistic combat games like onward already exist but the VR isnt that real yet (not only in graphics but also in animations for the characters and the fact that the player is still using controllers and not doing 100% of the actions themselves) but with hyper-realism, its going show people what killing someone by shooting looks like and possibly even feels like, that is pretty fucked up but i dont see no problem with it, however in my opinion its becoming really dangerous the moment that same person is going to play that game like he would play any game, and after a bit of time he would be de-sensitized to the feeling of killing a person and that is REAL DANGER
tbh im just looking forward to erp in 8K why would anybody wanna feel like they're doing some liveleak footage in VR XD
Well, That's what age restrictions are for. So that you don't get traumatized by playing something that isn't for your age or has content that you don't like.
@Er50 I feel a bit more detail would be ideal. Especially considering people's personal stressors. ESRB's markers are great for pancake games, but they lack detail for a VR game.
@@soniasquishy An example would be the oculus store, it tells you how intense the interaction is with each VR game.
IMDb also details a lot in its "parents guide" section
Edit: Maybe ESRB or PEGI will need groups to specifically analyze vr games
@@Bluepiey I think the ESRB having more content warnings for VR games would do nicely, personally.
I can't believe they are actually implementing laying down mode on the quest, it's something I've been dreaming of but I didn't think would actually happen!
Genuinely one of the twitter comments said "the blood of hundreds will rest over your shoulders", twitter is a different place man
Twitter is a schizo community for sure.
bruh
it ain't real blood lmfao
Like any game that does not line with their personal beliefs lol.
I remember this happened with Doom (1993) and it was criticized by religious organizations for its alleged diabolic undertones and was dubbed as a "mass murder simulator." What happened after? It was released anyway and gamers/people in general grew thicker skin, it was that easy.
I'm reminded of the scene in Minority Report where a guy goes to a VR cafe and asks the owner that he wants to kill his boss in VR
VALVE! JUST MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE DECKARD ALREADY!
Also, i can't believe meta is killing their acquired developers. that really stings.
i really hope they won't absolutely kill beatsaber this way.
They will, the second it stops making 'enough' money
Or when they fall beneath some arbitrary user threshold
10k regular players wasn't enough for Echo. What will be enough for those ghouls?
I honestly think that having a game/world/universe that's hyper realistic is the best thing that could ever exist for humanity. Everyone's first thought is "Violence this realistic will promote violence in the real life." but I could argue the exact opposite. Imagine a world where whenever anyone feels the urge to commit a crime, hurt a person, or do any other unlawful actions they could just throw on a headset or log onto there computer and commit crimes somewhere that has no real world consequences. That's just the violence aspect, there's already million of people that play games like airsoft and paintball and so many more that would want to but cant afford the gear or have time to go. VR games becoming this realistic could invent entire new sports and activities that people have never even imagined. Everything new is going to have its downsides, I do see the possible issues with realistic games this well made but I always choose to see the best outcome. This is honestly awesome.
I love the idea of hyper realistic games especially for things like shooters and something like blade and sourcery
The difference is you know you're in a video game, no matter how realistic it is or not. Realism has no bearing on it if it's okay or not. I'm a lucid dreamer, I can be fully aware that I'm in a dream, I can even control the dream. I do things I'd never do in real life in those dreams. It has no bearing on what I'd do in real life, nor makes it wrong.
Thumbnail doesn't match the title, stop trying to clickbait people. For context, the picture in the thumbnail is from a very realistic flatscreen game, not a vr game. The developers have even said they wont be porting the game to VR.
Holy shit you seem to be right. He has become another youtuber that literally lies in the title/thumbnail so no video can be trusted anymore, he is so pathetic.
I guess I'll unsubscribe from here as well.
They already injected the new Flat2VR mod on many Unreal Engine 5 games and it works well.
The same has or will happen with this game.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Flat VR isnt true VR. Just because an image is displayed in the headset doesn't make it a virtual reality experience.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Sorry, I saw flat and vr and thought you were talking about games that use vorpx to port into vr.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Even though the developer has stated they wont be porting the game to vr, we can all hope that it does happen in the future as it would be an incredible experience.
While I've not been following for all 4 years, I've been delighted beeing part of it once found and seeing your growth. Thank you for doing what you do.
I think the morality issue comes not from the realistic graphics themselves but more that the realistic simulations cause humans to become desensitized to horrific actions like shooting others since the line between fiction and reality is blurred graphically. If you look through social media, many people can't separate fiction from reality already. Generations growing up with social media causes alot of narcissism to be rewarded and act with main character syndrome in real life. Just look at the shitty way people from tiktok treat others like a prop or npc for their shitty content. Desensitized mentality will probably not help those kinds of actions
Social networks are not the same as a multiplayer game like call of duty.
The controversy that violent video games cause violence has been going on for a long time, video games are not responsible Social networks... Well, that's another topic
I have seen thing you people wouldn't believe!
If i dont get to hop in murder simulator in 5 years and forget that im not actually commiting crimes because of video game "ethics" im going to be really mad
6:22 - The psychopath: “😏no…it’s totally normal”
I can see in the future that something like Los Santos might be illegal in hyper realistic vr. Imagine a VR video game based on heists and blowing up cities with hyper realistic google scanned imagery based on actual public spaces.
Imagine playing through Unrecord and just seeing ragdolls fly around like gmod. . .what tf would that do to the brain?
Unrecord wouldn't work the same way in VR... what makes it feel "super realistic" is, mostly, a result of how the camera is handled. Which works well in flatscreen, but just won't be effective in VR, where you can't manipulate the player's view like that.
Been here when you were barely near 100k subs all they way back early 2020, will be here forever more. ❤
We can’t get cold feet now that we are nearing hyper-realism VR.
Maybe it depends on the person. For me personally, the knowledge of something being fake always easily separates it in my mind. Horror games and movies have never phased me in the slightest, even when I was a small child, because I always knew and understood that they aren't real. But of course not everyone is like that.
HAPPY 4TH THRILLSEEKERS!
It does not feel like that long since you put out the vr lies video but hey let's continue
_"I thought it was a simulation"_
When military VR application mixes with proxy control.
Remote warfare.
lil over 2 years of vrchat, 5000hours and I still keep forgetting there is more to vr than what ever the fuck we are doing partying and cuddling in vrc.
“it’s to hard to tell if anything’s real or not…” -AJR “3 O’Clock Things”
every time your intro plays I think my knuckles controllers are turning on XD
That San Francisco Powell and Hyde Street cable car ride was real enough on my Quest 2!
And there is so much free stuff from RUclipsVR!
In 1990’s topic of games realism, at the time was silly, but now, as graphic engines improved, higher polygon count grows to an insurmountable number, and having new developments on ray tracing, lighting and fidelity, the topic slowly turned from silly to serious, and unrecord is in no doubt a example of it
Remember that Black Mirror episode where a guy test a an ultra realistic new "Resident-Evilesque" horror game ?
I feel old. 3 - 3.5 years with Thrill. Keep it up
chile banning pico is so funny to me
like, portuguese/spanish also have a slang thats pretty similar but noone even cares
I'm late, but I showed a bit of the of Unrecord footage to my mother out of context when the trailer first dropped. Didn't show her any gunshots being fired off and especially didn't show her any UI elements in it. The moment I paused it, she was like "That's a video game right?" I replied "You can tell??" to which she said "Yeah it _looks_ like a video game."
SHE HAS NOT PLAYED VIDEO GAMES SINCE THE ORIGINAL SUPER MARIO!!! How is she able to discern that??
Once AI start narrating and talking with proper dialogue in a couple years, and this..... MMOs and stories are going to be epic with this level of details
EDIT: meta acquiring and laying people off is shithouse, zuckerdouche
That's literally the only thing about ai that excites me! LOL
Just imagine each npc having a slightly different AI on the level of chatgpt or something (but programmed for the mmorpg world) People will be actively chatting with npcs.
Bro I also want sword fighting realism, soon I want a controller that can change its weight and put force back on your arms, it will happen just not in the near future
If you haven't seen the video, there is already someone talking to a AI NPC freely, RUclips it. It's epic af
@@rdizzy1 There's a game/tech demo that has AI NPCS, 2kliksphilip made a video on it.
Playing while laying down sounds nice in theory, but I feel like my arms would get tired very quickly trying to fight gravity directly like that.
Title's giving me flashbacks to when video games with like four polygons in them were too violent and too realistic for kids.
This channel has been a big part of me looking to try creating my own RUclips play through videos in VR. I'm a socially awkward person, and this medium allows me to express myself virtually.
Heck yeah! Keep it up and best of luck!!!!
Just imagine the realism with historical tragedies, wars, and events it would be interesting to look at a recreation while just being a person in the scene.
Now imagine simplifying it for sake of time or something more sinister and the realism makes people believe the lies even more deeply. Like Columbus thinking he reached India at a time when India was called Hindustan and the people, Hindus. While he wrote he reached some place new. Not justifying anything. Just saying that cherry picked, curated and manufactured history is dangerous.
Hyper Immersion almost killed me in the 1970s.
When I was a kid, we would wear Styrofoam bubbles (football shaped capsules) strapped to our backs when we went swimming instead of inflatable floaties kids use today on their arms. At some point, me or my mom removed the bubble and after some time, I thought it was still there. Hyper Immersion caused my brain to think I was still wearing it. I've had a similar, but briefer, experience after roller skating for a while and then removing the roller skates. Anyway, I happily jumped into the pool and remember looking up at the swirling sun as I sank to the bottom of the pool. Thankfully, my mom saw me, dove in, and saved my from drowning. But the mind plays crazy tricks on us when immersed in reality.
At some point, someone's going to commit a real murder and claim they thought they were in a virtual reality or that they were tricked into committing a murder they thought was virtual.
Side note: Yes, I get the double entendre regarding Hyper Immersion and drowning, hehe 🙂
It’s worth noting that “monthly active users” could literally just mean a user who turned their headset on to check and see if there was anything new, and if not, turned it back off. Companies like to use those metrics but aren’t transparent about how they’re measuring that. After working on different product teams, yea those metrics are BS
It’s all perfectly okay to do anything in VR. Just like explicit lyrics were challenged, just like violent games were, it’s all just about entertainment and expression. It’s okay to put that behind an M or A rated label and such, but not okay to stop it.
It's a game bruh. It's about a dective, and outside of games in the real world it is legally and morally ok to defend your life with lethal force. Besides, once you say one action is not okay because realism, then *ALL* games will become subject to censorship and forced conformity.
a little dark humor for ya....
Somewhere someone's getting murdered by a real robot while your goal is to get enough xp to upgrade components. You did it Ender XD
GAME IDEA: super realistic vr game where you punch the other player in till that player can't fight because he doesn't have any limbs to fight
I think once people stop being able to distinguish whether their actions are done in a virtual world, or a real one, that's when stuff should get banned.
I personally would love to try extreme experiences like that, but I know not everyone can handle that kinda stuff even being around.
I've never had trouble remembering that my actions in VR are different than my actions in real life, that's never been a question, but if that someday gets foggy, that's a dangerous ledge to be on.
Wow time flies thank you for being our guide sailing the VR seas
This is thrill’s four year anniversary and this is my 1 year anniversary of following this channel, you’re doing great.
I remember the first time I played Half Life Alyx, and having a pistol in my hand that I could not drop. Where my hand pointed, there was a gun pointing with it, at a one to one overlay of real physical space, a gun, something that could be used to harm others. It's quite disturbing for the majority of people outside of the US who don't have or use guns all the time, or for any time really. Sure, I was playing a character, it was only a video game, but the fact that my hand held a gun... it just felt really wrong. It's just hard to do violence when you are the one swinging the sword or pulling the trigger, and the target is just a normal person. It's not even close to my reality, but for some reason people want to simulate it virtually. It's not always fun to do murder simulations all the time. :-(
Great video, thank you! Congratulations on your 4 years anniversary! Keep up the great work! I enjoy your channel very much.
I remember the first time i killed a human in The walking dead Saints & Sinners. When the character started to back down and begged for his life i was genuinely shocked. But after the third time i didn't even cared. Even if a game feels realistic at first, eventually it will stay a game and nothing changes.
I think, to get down the "games trigger violence" route, there is a correlation between extreme violence or realistic violence in games and real life violence. But a correlation doesn't mean a causality. When someone is violent in the real life, he likes playing realistic and violent games because he can do something he shouldn't do in the real world but that doesn't mean, that every player who is playing those games would act out violence or even have the urge to do it.
I see one big and real problem: When people are getting detached from reality and start do fuse the virtual with the real. The more realistic, and the more accessories for realism there are, the more people will get this problem. Maybe not in a dangerous way, but some will.
A game as realistic as that… hold on, this might be how I make my first realistic (at all) game
Imagine being able to experience historical events with this technology. It could be very interesting. Red Dead 2 vr type shit
I dont think its too much of an issue.
YES it is very realistic, and YES you do shoot at real looking humans.
But you know what else is basically the same if not more realistic?
Airsoft!
Airsoft is a game where you hold guns that look real, feel real and even have simple recoil (blowback).
Yet its not really a problem since players can differentiate that that is just a game.
(when you do to some of the hardcore milsim events there are even people shooting with blank guns around you. So you even smell the gunpowder + hear shots)