forgot to include Feral Druid + Subtlety Rogue in S tier, definitely one of the best comps out there…and Frost Mage + Shadow Priest which is comparable to playing with Disc or Rogue in terms of performance - B tier
I agree with almost everything, but assigning an S-tier ranking to feral+sub might be excessive due to its vulnerability against feral+healer. For instance, when feral+sub encounters feral+disc, the sub side's feral becomes practically helpless against Hibernate, Cyclone, Psychic Scream, Bash, etc., while the feral+disc easily takes down the sub. In my view, in matchups like this, if the top-tier teams from both sides meet, the sub side needs to execute at least two or more fine plays to be considered on par. (e.g. using Shadow Cloak at good timing to dodge Psychic Scream or finding disc's feral.) Actually, this vulnerability is a phenomenon commonly observed in feral + DPS versus feral + healer matchups overall.(Hibernate is a real issue.) As a feral player myself, I have experienced this gap firsthand by playing both compositions at the highest level. Apart from that, I find the tier rankings for other compositions to be quite reasonable. I'm looking forward to a tier list for 3v3 comps as well!
@@Dreamonology During the Cataclysm era, I experienced about 5,000 matches of 2v2 as a Feral Druid, consistently reaching rank 10 on my realm. My teammate, a Rogue, was a Gladiator player with legendary gear, while I had heroic Kiril and 3v3 2200rate weapon. Our races were Night Elf and Human, likely the best choice for our setup. The most formidable opponent we encountered was a rank 1 team consisting of a Disc + Feral. As I mentioned, our conclusion was that while Ferals were incapacitated by crowd control, Rogues were easily torn apart. This was also evident when I played as Feral with a Disc. What strategies could be employed for a Feral + Rogue to defeat a Feral Disc? Tell me.
woot i been waiting for this, i sit in whitemane discord in the pvp channel all day asking questions lol, I never did cata during 2010 retail, and Pservers I mostly only played wotlk or panda land i did play molten/warmane cata for a bit before it died, but i sucked ass I know wotlk well, just not cata, been trying out every class on instant 80 mode on whitemane. Prob still stick to warlock for 3s since warlock been my main since 2004
@@MEYTRIX oh its content, it is either people asking questions normal stuff, or it's people pvping each other in the channel and arguing over arena losses, it's a good time lol.
ty for tier list. it helped me to choose new main for cata classic. could u make 3v3 tier list? and maybe few explanations about arena tactics u know good, as u did it with ret+unholy(probably i chose unholy as a new main so it's clear what i interested in😂)?
Hello, make a tier list of the easiest and hardest spec in pvp, I think it will be useful information for those who decided to play pvp in a cataclysm without experience
What are some solid pairings for frost mage? My friend wants to main frost mage for PvP in Cata and I want to pick something strong that I can play with them, while still doing great in RBGs if I'm pugging by myself.
Hey MEYTRIX I Love your videos! Would you expand more on Unholy DK / Resto Shaman in 2's? My buddy is going Unholy for Cata Classic and I'm debating between Resto Shaman and Holy Paladin for our 2's comp.
Both rsham and hpal are very comparable and great compositions for 2v2 so you wouldn’t go wrong with either one of them, both super defensive, sham can go s bit more offensive with the purges while hpal will be safer against big burst comps like mm hunt+sub rogue
@@MEYTRIX Thanks for the reply! Awesome I was hoping your measure of it would be quite equal. I seriously love me some Resto Shaman but haven't seen much of it in 2's comps myself.
I was 2860cr in wotlk playing SpM and im considering just maining rogue for 2s with the mage instead. Spriest is stronger in 3s from my memory. You should make a 3s tier list if you haven't yet.
ret and enh are gonna get smashed by a good hunt/rog in 2s, enh is way too squishy, holy paladin is the biggest counter for rog/hunt, comp like feral+holy paladin will survive everything, but even UDK+holy paladin is very good, the paladin provides so many immunities and on-demand instant healing that it is the best pick against these burst setup comps
Hey meytrix, is Vanguards Cleave r1 viable in Cataclysm for 3s? I get mixed responses from people with a lot of Cata xp. Some say yes and some say no. Also is it r1 viable in 2s?
Hey Brian, it definitely is r1 viable in both brackets, especially on the Vicious season before casters and rogues get their legendaries, then it becomes harder, and you can play it in 3s with r sham for more defense or disc priest for more offense and dispels
you can check DRs with an addon like TellMeWhen, but there's not too many videos discussing Cata WoW, maybe a few Swifty videos where he just talks about the basic stuff that Cata introduced, there's gonna be a lot more Cata-related content coming out as the expansion launch comes closer this year
What would you recommend for pvp/pve? Feral/Balance or Shadow Priest? I'm between druid and priest... I have seen that for Tier S 2vs2 Feral is god... and priest only disci...
yea, for PvP feral would be the overall winner by far, it is also good for PvE but in PvE you usually lack ranged dpses more, so being sp or boomkin would grant you easier spots in raid groups, sp is one of the better performing casters on Cata
@@Xonathan100 there will be so many rets fighting for the raid spots too, solid class for PvE especially for its’s support - hand of freedom, bubbles etc, not so much for its dps, and rly good in any kind of pvp too
2.1k xp as elemental shaman with shadow priest. ( not even full geared) i know is one of the hardest spec in the arena, BUT as soon as i turned red all the damn hell breaks loose.
Hey, I'm curious what some good comps would be with a balance druid. I'm new to game and balance looks really cool, But I don't wanna completely be locked out of arena with friends due to not having any synergies
NEVER have i ever seen warlock not top in S or A tier in any single video expcialy in cata when they shine with unlimited life steal in demo ... and nonstop giant burst with kaos bolt and the 10% buff they get for dots for affliction ? so confused why they not there ...
Idk if you’re being serious, NEVER have I ever seen a demo or destro warlock high in 2v2 ladder, chaos bolt does like 15k dmg (ppl have 120k hp at least) and wtf is “life steal” in demo? 😅
Yo Diogo, if frost - Engineering, otherwise Tailoring best when you time the proc with Gargoyle and then you can go any prof that gives you +80 strength
Disc priest main here bit concerned about cata, good to hear that we have a couple S tier comps in 2s with rogue and feral, wb 3s though? Can it compete with resto sham/hpal in 3s? Any S tier comps that want a priest instead of an hpal or resto sham?
you could play many comps with a disc priest, ret+UDK+disc in rly good especially on the earlier PvP seasons, ret+MM hunt+disc, rogue+mage+disc, but even other popular comps, it's just more about peeling for the priest and getting the extra dispels or mana burns for a more offensive healer gameplay, and a lot of skill required, less room for mistakes
@@MEYTRIX Thanks a bunch bro for the reply. I love the high skill/offensive style. Glad to hear I won't be just gimping myself if I play it at a high level. Looking forward to Cata! and the 3s tier list when u drop it!
Hey Meytrix do you have 3s tier list i cant see one on your channel What do you think about disc priest / rogue / Hunter For 3s thats what me and my friends might play and curious what your opinon on it is
Hey Tom, not yet but working on it, disc rogue hunter is amazing, probably S tier in my book, anything with MM hunt and Sub rogue is OP af, disc is a more squishy, offensive healer but the rogue is able to peel for him and protect it really well
it would be below all the other options listed for both in this video so not really a point in playing that comp, it's not terrible but there's many better options for both classes
C tier if I was being nice, it could work with skilled players and get you above 2k rating, but considering how many S tier comps a rogue can run - a boomkin would have a hard time looking for one unless you play with a friend
Solid, it could easily go above 2k, there’s comps you will struggle to beat but both ret and feral are super-strong and work with almost anything, I’ve seen ppl as high as some 2.5k rating in 2s with that comp
Nerfed from almost every angle, less CC, weaker sht, it isn’t that much more different in playstyle, just less potent across the board, WotLK SP is like the most OP thing ever compared to Cata SP 🥲
yea ret is the best, but just like you say - things like sub rogue or feral can still work very well with BM hunter, but it's gonna be worse than if they played with MM
@@addwhiteboy same with weapons, sometimes you might be able to drop a weapon that is equivalent to the pvp weapon earlier than you can get the CP, otherwise not much of a benefit
@@glk96_ I am not sure, some of them are many years old, I assume you saw this one already: ruclips.net/video/YusVsPFMq5Y/видео.htmlsi=swk6tsl1ttOAHZXn
what about double blood dk? cataclysm has to be the expansion in which they've been the strongest, any non healing non double spellcaster comp would likely also default to losing to this comp. Even past that I'd imagine a healer + dps pairing would severely struggle to take down one of the blood dk, especially with good coordination of the glyph'ed healing with runetap and lichborne deathcoil healing of one another. I'd imagine the single strongest race would be blood elf for the extra silences, would make it that much more manageable to kill spellcasters and healers, which are the only real threats to blood dks.
Good against melee cleaves, but they would struggle against anything ranged when they can’t get in melee range for their Death Strikes, dps+heal comps would struggle but the Blood DKs would also not be able to kill anyone - almost no CC outside of Strangulate and it DRs with one another so they can’t chain it, used to be a good comp back in the day when ppl couldn’t play properly, but isn’t as good anymore
Nope, not very good, maybe a frost mage but the strength of rogue or feral paired with hunter comes from their slows and how much they can peel for the hunter, but it could be enough for lower rated casual games
I would say it can go either way depending especially on how the feral/disc play it - if they do everything right then they could win it all but it takes extreeemely good players and as a composition has much higher skill ceiling than the other two
Overall - mage has more options to play with, also has 2 viable specs itself, but if you like to play SP - it’s still good in certain comps and situations
I wouldn't give them A, SP+ret maybe C tier, since ret already has so many options that are far better to play with than SP, disc+PvE ret is pretty good, but it's long AF games
Tthx for fast respond. Also what do you think how new server will affect maelstorm? ANd how many players is on maelstorm and in Pvp can i play with oposite faction?@@MEYTRIX
@@Bloodhorus you have full crossfaction, PvP is super-active all the time, it is one of the most active servers in regards to PvP overall, I think the Deathwing realm will take away some players from Maelstrom, but not too many, especially the more competitive ppl will definitely go over to Desthwing for the fast progression
How important is PvE for PvP on maelstorm. For exmpl. i will take WOTKL, in wotkl you need ALOT of Pve for PvP. Is it same here? Im playing resto shammy and holy paladin how they are good in 3s? I saw in this video they are best for 2s@@MEYTRIX
@@MEYTRIX yes, titles and mounts were also available in this bracket. Normally the percentage title thing and the bracket restriction removal were implemented in MoP. And thats when the arena title "inflation" began. Before that it was rank based in the realm pool. Whereas #1 titles really meant #1, meaning there were a maximum of 8 characters (3v3 and 5v5) per 10 realms or so with a specific season glad title.
Hey Diego, Whitemane Maelstrom is the only one I recommend, you also have the Path of War feature that grants you instant lvl 85 for PvP, I made videos about it too
Hmmm I guess I wanted to put r sham in S and h pal in A and thought I forgot to put r sham in the list when browsing through it so I put it along h pal again 😅👀 thanks for correcting me!
I don't think I'd ever see it any high on Cata, so probably below C tier, both - feral and mage have so much better comps to play, but it still wouldn't be the worst, it's playable
not terrible, the feral can peel pretty well for the priest, not as well as a sub rogue would, and also disc+feral is one of the best comps, so for both - feral and sp - you have better comp options, but it would still do pretty well together too if you can play it properly
Did I forget to mention it? 👀 yes, very similar to disc+mage, you just do a bit more damage with sp obviously, and it’s frost mage that you need in this comp - otherwise melees would just destroy you in seconds, B tier comp
OP AF! one of the best comps you can play the entire expansion, and you can either play it with r sham if you wanna be more defensive or with disc if you wanna be more offensive and dispel enemies
blood DK + sub rogue can work pretty well in 2s, but I don't think anyone serious would want to play with you in 3s - nobody will attack you since you are the most bulky of the team and you also don't do much damage or CC
yep, only if you have a good friend rogue that wants to play with you, but on lower ratings, conquest capping etc you could play with a ret paladin or a feral druid - those both can survive a lot too and do pretty well, it's just not gonna be very competitive higher
@@davidslaninka28i know im late but im a high rated BDK (1975 max, top 800-900) and think BDK rogue is the ONLY thing that can work for BDK in 2s. BDK doesnt work in 3s and is maybe a B/c tier with a rogue in 2s
@@MEYTRIX So did I see enh/feral as rank1 in s9 of Atlantiss like 8 years ago. Doesn't mean anything. I'm not saying literally noone ever played it on high rating but the reason it's so rare it can't be even called a niche spec is because both of those specs fulfil very similar roles. If one of the two doesn't need to stun the kill target because the other one will cover that part, then their usefulness degrades a lot. Same can be said about peeling potential, both of them can do it a lot but neither needs it a lot themselves due to several defensives and passive healing, so either one is easily replaceable by a lot of other specs. Furthermore, if it's supposed to be S tier, then logically it needs to have at least some good match ups against other comps within that tier. And I really can't see even one. Being S tier spec alone doesn't make it automatically have good synergy with all other S tier specs.
it's decent, not amazingly impressive but also not sht tier 😄 in 2s it's best with ret paladin, or with a holy paladin or disc priest if you can get some real good PvE parts...and in 3s as Turbo cleave with arms warrior, with ret paladin, and add a healer like disc priest or holy paladin ideally
pretty much anything with ret is at least ok, but it has better options, you can get above 2k with it, but there's at least 5 better options for the ret to play with
They are a counter, yes, but it’s not like you would have no chance, use all your CDs early cause the game won’t be long, possibly Blood presence to boost your survivability a lot, position yourself so the enemy hunter has trouble shooting through LoS, pop Gargoyle ASAP to spread chaos, ret also needs to pop all CDs early for boosted healing, Sac at the right time, many many things you need to do
they basically sat down in the office one day and told themselves: "how can we completely fuk with destro lock and shadow priest players?" and they created the Cataclysm expansion
I don't remember ever seeing it played at higher level on Cata, I think there are many better options for both specs, but it could potentially be like a B tier comp maybe
It's terrible comp. MM Hunter has the worst sustain dmg of any spec that's at all played. Literally any other class is better with a healer than hunter in cataclysm. No dps/heal comp with half-decent players will die to it. If you look at any good 3s gameplay from a hunter, most of they do is CC, debuffing, switching pet and throwing around Sacrifice. Big part of why is because nothing besides Chimera Shot does any impressive dmg.
it's not terrible, but your CCs DR too much, facing any hunter/mage/ferals will completely ruin your games too (and those classes are some of the most popular ones), and there's so many much better comp options for rogue than going double rogue
yea I don't think I could place any mage comp in S considering how many hunters there are in arenas which counter mages pretty hard, but that is not to say that an A or even B tier comp couldn't get all the way to rank 1, they can, it's just less likely than with the S tier comps
Enh shaman in cataclysm hits like a wet noodle compared to all other melees. No way that it with a healer is put above war/hpal or warlock with rsham/hpal or fire/disc. The latter 2 especially, fire/disc has a good match up against any melee/healer and most double dps comps and warlocks hard counter feral/disc and jungle that are ubiquitous. Thug is not really hard to play. If anything more straightforward than jungle or rm, to compare it to other big opener comps. Dk with disc and resto druid also doesn't deserve A tier at all. Heals aren't big enough for something as squishy against non-magic as DK and peels are way too few for healers as offensive as priest and druid. You should add mage/shadow priest, way more common than shadow/rogue on cata. Feral/mage is another good one, though underplayed. I played balance a lot, I'd definitely take mage or even warlock over ret. Fat chickens really need somebody with slows and big cc toolkit to have a lot of opportunities to use their own, since while they have a lot, none of it is really on demand. Big offheals to let the eclipse grow and spread dots everywhere for procs can be tempting but for that you might as well play with a healer.
You could switch tiers with some comps and nothing would happen but I have seen enhance higher more times than arms, but enh+ret is better than enh+healer I’d say, thug jungle RM - all harder comps, I am not comparing them between eachother, they are miles harder than any heal or regular melee cleaves…DK+disc also a rank one comp from the past, my experience…forgot about mage+sp, thanks for adding it…mage or even rogue with balance could be good, idk about warlock, I feel like they’d lack peels…thanks for the in-depth comment!
@@dragoljubmihajlovicc Then you must be used to some private server. Their only burst cd are wolves that bite for less than 1k on retail clips. Sometimes only just 200.
You could use that instead of H pal/r sham, but then Cycloning makes the target immune to damage which multidoting strategy is pretty important for affliction
no, would get destroyed in cata, I've seen a 2800 rated Boomie+Demo warlock on whitemane recently but played by a glad boomie content creator, and another glad lock, prob not something average players can play.
Solid option but usually only second in most comps to the other healer classes, but it can still work fine with any good dps - DK, warrior, warlock, mage
forgot to include Feral Druid + Subtlety Rogue in S tier, definitely one of the best comps out there…and Frost Mage + Shadow Priest which is comparable to playing with Disc or Rogue in terms of performance - B tier
I agree with almost everything, but assigning an S-tier ranking to feral+sub might be excessive due to its vulnerability against feral+healer.
For instance, when feral+sub encounters feral+disc, the sub side's feral becomes practically helpless against Hibernate, Cyclone, Psychic Scream, Bash, etc., while the feral+disc easily takes down the sub. In my view, in matchups like this, if the top-tier teams from both sides meet, the sub side needs to execute at least two or more fine plays to be considered on par. (e.g. using Shadow Cloak at good timing to dodge Psychic Scream or finding disc's feral.)
Actually, this vulnerability is a phenomenon commonly observed in feral + DPS versus feral + healer matchups overall.(Hibernate is a real issue.)
As a feral player myself, I have experienced this gap firsthand by playing both compositions at the highest level.
Apart from that, I find the tier rankings for other compositions to be quite reasonable.
I'm looking forward to a tier list for 3v3 comps as well!
@hominyou7689 yep, good points, I agree, it is a lot about the specific match ups and who you’re fighting against
Every comp in wow has their counters.there isn't any comp who can defeat all other comps
@@hominyou7689 not in cata, sub is insanely overtuned, depending on the season, any double dps with sub rog, melts Feral/disc. it's not wotlk
@@Dreamonology During the Cataclysm era, I experienced about 5,000 matches of 2v2 as a Feral Druid, consistently reaching rank 10 on my realm. My teammate, a Rogue, was a Gladiator player with legendary gear, while I had heroic Kiril and 3v3 2200rate weapon. Our races were Night Elf and Human, likely the best choice for our setup.
The most formidable opponent we encountered was a rank 1 team consisting of a Disc + Feral. As I mentioned, our conclusion was that while Ferals were incapacitated by crowd control, Rogues were easily torn apart. This was also evident when I played as Feral with a Disc. What strategies could be employed for a Feral + Rogue to defeat a Feral Disc? Tell me.
woot i been waiting for this, i sit in whitemane discord in the pvp channel all day asking questions lol, I never did cata during 2010 retail, and Pservers I mostly only played wotlk or panda land i did play molten/warmane cata for a bit before it died, but i sucked ass
I know wotlk well, just not cata, been trying out every class on instant 80 mode on whitemane. Prob still stick to warlock for 3s since warlock been my main since 2004
I gotta check that Whitemane pvp channel sometimes too 👀 warlock gets even better later in the game so it’s a good choice
@@MEYTRIX oh its content, it is either people asking questions normal stuff, or it's people pvping each other in the channel and arguing over arena losses, it's a good time lol.
ty for tier list. it helped me to choose new main for cata classic. could u make 3v3 tier list? and maybe few explanations about arena tactics u know good, as u did it with ret+unholy(probably i chose unholy as a new main so it's clear what i interested in😂)?
Glad it helped! 3s tier list is also planned with many more videos on Cata once the launch date approaches 👀
@@MEYTRIX oh you answered!) well then maybe a short guide about role of dk at rbg as aimer? that is all. ty again
Thank you for the video, which healer do you think is better in 2's in general? Shammy or disc?
can't rly generalize this, there's plenty of both in 2s, disc is better with rogues, sham is better with warriors and DKs
@@MEYTRIX thank you!!
Hello, make a tier list of the easiest and hardest spec in pvp, I think it will be useful information for those who decided to play pvp in a cataclysm without experience
hmmm that's a pretty good idea, I'll have to think about it
was looking for that type of video too.
What are some solid pairings for frost mage? My friend wants to main frost mage for PvP in Cata and I want to pick something strong that I can play with them, while still doing great in RBGs if I'm pugging by myself.
Sub rogue is the best by a mile, disc priest rly good too, and then shadow priest or ret paladin can also get you pretty far
hey man, are you doing a 3vs3 tier list as well? would be pretty pog! thx for the content anyways :)
Hey, yep, it is planned 😎
When 3s @@MEYTRIX
@@Bourre-wb4xb probably weeks before the live release of Cata Classic or so
@@MEYTRIX still waiting :D
@@MEYTRIX Would love to see this list! :)
Hey MEYTRIX I Love your videos! Would you expand more on Unholy DK / Resto Shaman in 2's? My buddy is going Unholy for Cata Classic and I'm debating between Resto Shaman and Holy Paladin for our 2's comp.
Both rsham and hpal are very comparable and great compositions for 2v2 so you wouldn’t go wrong with either one of them, both super defensive, sham can go s bit more offensive with the purges while hpal will be safer against big burst comps like mm hunt+sub rogue
@@MEYTRIX Thanks for the reply! Awesome I was hoping your measure of it would be quite equal.
I seriously love me some Resto Shaman but haven't seen much of it in 2's comps myself.
Hi Meytrix! Nice tierlist!
Is there any good double melee dps comp for arms?
Hey Will 😄 I played ret with arms very successfully, MM hunter can also work great with arms warrior, saw ppl have around 2400 rating with it
Thank you for this video I love playing 2s in retail and want to try cataclysm
I was 2860cr in wotlk playing SpM and im considering just maining rogue for 2s with the mage instead. Spriest is stronger in 3s from my memory. You should make a 3s tier list if you haven't yet.
What is the best comp against rog/hunt in 2s? And, what do you think, how enh sham and retri stand against them, or maybe holy?
ret and enh are gonna get smashed by a good hunt/rog in 2s, enh is way too squishy, holy paladin is the biggest counter for rog/hunt, comp like feral+holy paladin will survive everything, but even UDK+holy paladin is very good, the paladin provides so many immunities and on-demand instant healing that it is the best pick against these burst setup comps
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEOOO I LOVE YOU ❤️
Thanks for answering my request
Hey meytrix, is Vanguards Cleave r1 viable in Cataclysm for 3s? I get mixed responses from people with a lot of Cata xp. Some say yes and some say no. Also is it r1 viable in 2s?
Hey Brian, it definitely is r1 viable in both brackets, especially on the Vicious season before casters and rogues get their legendaries, then it becomes harder, and you can play it in 3s with r sham for more defense or disc priest for more offense and dispels
@@MEYTRIX I see thank you Meytrix. Will you be playing Cata Classic when it's out?
@@BrianShaw23 ofc I will! And bringing a lot more Cata content too as it comes closer 😎
@@MEYTRIX Nice, can't wait for it :)
Great video! Helpful context. Where can someone look for cata pvp discussions/guides? I'm looking for a list of shared DRs for cata
you can check DRs with an addon like TellMeWhen, but there's not too many videos discussing Cata WoW, maybe a few Swifty videos where he just talks about the basic stuff that Cata introduced, there's gonna be a lot more Cata-related content coming out as the expansion launch comes closer this year
What would you recommend for pvp/pve? Feral/Balance or Shadow Priest? I'm between druid and priest...
I have seen that for Tier S 2vs2 Feral is god... and priest only disci...
yea, for PvP feral would be the overall winner by far, it is also good for PvE but in PvE you usually lack ranged dpses more, so being sp or boomkin would grant you easier spots in raid groups, sp is one of the better performing casters on Cata
@@MEYTRIX What if I add pala retry to the equation? for pvp and pve? what would you recommend? Feral too or Balance?
@@Xonathan100 there will be so many rets fighting for the raid spots too, solid class for PvE especially for its’s support - hand of freedom, bubbles etc, not so much for its dps, and rly good in any kind of pvp too
2.1k xp as elemental shaman with shadow priest. ( not even full geared) i know is one of the hardest spec in the arena, BUT as soon as i turned red all the damn hell breaks loose.
Good job!
Hey, I'm curious what some good comps would be with a balance druid. I'm new to game and balance looks really cool, But I don't wanna completely be locked out of arena with friends due to not having any synergies
I never played cata but played Boomie in wrath and mop. From that I can say you can play with a sub. Rogue a mage warlock. Maybe sp dk sham or ret
NEVER have i ever seen warlock not top in S or A tier in any single video expcialy in cata when they shine with unlimited life steal in demo ... and nonstop giant burst with kaos bolt and the 10% buff they get for dots for affliction ? so confused why they not there ...
Idk if you’re being serious, NEVER have I ever seen a demo or destro warlock high in 2v2 ladder, chaos bolt does like 15k dmg (ppl have 120k hp at least) and wtf is “life steal” in demo? 😅
What unlimited lifesteal does demo have?
@MEYTRIX I think he means the 2% hp heal on every corruption that...aff...demo...AND destro can get XD and isnt unique to demo
yoo!! thanks for the videos, can you tell me the best proffessions for dk in pvp? :)
Yo Diogo, if frost - Engineering, otherwise Tailoring best when you time the proc with Gargoyle and then you can go any prof that gives you +80 strength
Thanks a lot for the feedback, been enjoying your content and i look up to you. I'm pretty hyped with Cata classic @@MEYTRIX
Disc priest main here bit concerned about cata, good to hear that we have a couple S tier comps in 2s with rogue and feral, wb 3s though? Can it compete with resto sham/hpal in 3s? Any S tier comps that want a priest instead of an hpal or resto sham?
you could play many comps with a disc priest, ret+UDK+disc in rly good especially on the earlier PvP seasons, ret+MM hunt+disc, rogue+mage+disc, but even other popular comps, it's just more about peeling for the priest and getting the extra dispels or mana burns for a more offensive healer gameplay, and a lot of skill required, less room for mistakes
@@MEYTRIX Thanks a bunch bro for the reply. I love the high skill/offensive style. Glad to hear I won't be just gimping myself if I play it at a high level. Looking forward to Cata! and the 3s tier list when u drop it!
I like balance druid + demo lock, I have a lot of fun. For serious climbing for cata retail when its coming, def going feral with a disc priest
yea I even saw demo lock + ele sham to really well once but it was played by Gladiator players
Idk much about 2s comps in cata but in MoP, boomie+aff lock was absolutely nuts! Symbiosis is too strong
@@ahetzel9054 yep, balance got crazy boost in MoP
Hey Meytrix do you have 3s tier list i cant see one on your channel
What do you think about disc priest / rogue / Hunter
For 3s thats what me and my friends might play and curious what your opinon on it is
Hey Tom, not yet but working on it, disc rogue hunter is amazing, probably S tier in my book, anything with MM hunt and Sub rogue is OP af, disc is a more squishy, offensive healer but the rogue is able to peel for him and protect it really well
@@MEYTRIX nice, thanks alot I just subscribed looking forward to your coming videos gonna dive into your old ones now, excited for cata 🔥
How would you rank feral/mage and is that viable to play?
it would be below all the other options listed for both in this video so not really a point in playing that comp, it's not terrible but there's many better options for both classes
How would you rate boomkin + rogue? Is it even viable in 2s? Tier?
C tier if I was being nice, it could work with skilled players and get you above 2k rating, but considering how many S tier comps a rogue can run - a boomkin would have a hard time looking for one unless you play with a friend
What do you think of Feral + Retri for 2v2?
Solid, it could easily go above 2k, there’s comps you will struggle to beat but both ret and feral are super-strong and work with almost anything, I’ve seen ppl as high as some 2.5k rating in 2s with that comp
Shadow priest rogue is S tier in WOTLK atm what changes in cata to drop it all the way down to C tier ?
Nerfed from almost every angle, less CC, weaker sht, it isn’t that much more different in playstyle, just less potent across the board, WotLK SP is like the most OP thing ever compared to Cata SP 🥲
good you see SPR and hpal warrior like 90% of the time on warmane above 2.2k its really annoying. XD@@MEYTRIX
So is Ret paladin the best 2s partner for BM hunters? Or can some of the S-tier comps with MM hunters work with a BM instead?
yea ret is the best, but just like you say - things like sub rogue or feral can still work very well with BM hunter, but it's gonna be worse than if they played with MM
What do you think about Feral/Sub?
Answered in the pinned comment
Hey. What about mm hunter + rsham? Is it viable comp or not?
Hi, hunter can’t play with a healer, it’s nor able to kill anything at a decent rating
@meytrix how much does pve items effect cataclysm pvp outside of legendaries ? Is it has bad wotlk ?
Nope, not too much, there are some trinkets especially later on that do help quite a bit in certain situations but it’s not at WotLK level
A follow up question would be about weapons ? Excluding legendaries
@@addwhiteboy same with weapons, sometimes you might be able to drop a weapon that is equivalent to the pvp weapon earlier than you can get the CP, otherwise not much of a benefit
the rank 1 team on Cata classic NA right now is a Warr + Holy Pala
@@wh0racle3 that proves the old saying “EU>NA” 😆 but the holy paladin is the one that carries it, it’s so OP it can work with almost anything
Can you please do a 3s and 5s tier list as well
I will, also going live today so if you catch me and have any questions while I am streaming - feel free to ask 😎
Just a recommendation use talent tree icons so we can see specs that classes have :( pretty pleas
Hard to find all those pictures for download on the internet 😢
Please make a 3v3 tier list for cataclysm. Can't find one anywhere.
It is definitely planned for the future!
@@MEYTRIX Cheeky bump ;)
Hey is ret/mage any good or should i stick ro rogue/mage
Hey, it is decent, not as good as rogue/mage, but you can still get some solid rating and easily go above 2k with that comp
Do you have videos of you playing with ret ? I wanna see what to do against certain comps
Yep, just search for Meytrix ret paladin Cataclysm and you should be able to find it
@@MEYTRIX thanks mate.
@@MEYTRIX yea I meant Warrior + ret lol, cuz I only seen one video (x
@@glk96_ I am not sure, some of them are many years old, I assume you saw this one already: ruclips.net/video/YusVsPFMq5Y/видео.htmlsi=swk6tsl1ttOAHZXn
@@MEYTRIX ah no Didnt saw that one. But thank you then ! I just dont find much cata ret war video overall
what about double blood dk?
cataclysm has to be the expansion in which they've been the strongest, any non healing non double spellcaster comp would likely also default to losing to this comp.
Even past that I'd imagine a healer + dps pairing would severely struggle to take down one of the blood dk, especially with good coordination of the glyph'ed healing with runetap and lichborne deathcoil healing of one another.
I'd imagine the single strongest race would be blood elf for the extra silences, would make it that much more manageable to kill spellcasters and healers, which are the only real threats to blood dks.
Good against melee cleaves, but they would struggle against anything ranged when they can’t get in melee range for their Death Strikes, dps+heal comps would struggle but the Blood DKs would also not be able to kill anyone - almost no CC outside of Strangulate and it DRs with one another so they can’t chain it, used to be a good comp back in the day when ppl couldn’t play properly, but isn’t as good anymore
Can disc priest / hunter be any good in 2v2 or 3v3 with an extra dps?
3v3 - yes, but hunter in 2v2 can’t kill anything alone
What would be a good spec for beginners? Dk?
Yeah, DK would be a pretty good option for beginners, especially Frost DK which has no pet to take care of
Would hunter pair well with a priest or mage?
Nope, not very good, maybe a frost mage but the strength of rogue or feral paired with hunter comes from their slows and how much they can peel for the hunter, but it could be enough for lower rated casual games
is hunter+healer not that good in cataclysm? unless I missed it you didnt mention it
Nope, not very good, double dps comps are waaay better with hunter
Do you have a 3v3 tier list too?
Not yet, but will do in the future 😎
Hey, may i ask how is blood dk in arena in cataclysm? is viable or it has the same issues as wotlk?
Not viable in 3s, but can be good on lower ratings in 2s with something bulkier, rogue or feral could work fine with it for some casual games
@@MEYTRIXgood call, ive hit top 1000 in 2s with my blood with a rogue partner. I think i might be the top blood dk tho so not sure
Do you have a 3v3 tier list?
Yep, just made one 2 days ago 😁
does feral disc beat dk/hpal and dk/ret or does the dk/ret dk/hpal version beat feral disc? thanks!
I would say it can go either way depending especially on how the feral/disc play it - if they do everything right then they could win it all but it takes extreeemely good players and as a composition has much higher skill ceiling than the other two
Do you have a 3v3 tier list? I cant find one.
In works 🫡
u know which are the best 2v2 comps for s9 as holypala or is it still uh dk/holypala?
UDK best, feral/fire mage/arms warrior are all also very good with holy paladin
@@MEYTRIX thanks
So is it even worth to play shadow priest in Arena or should I just Go mage?
Shadow priest > mage all day
Both are fun. Both are viable.
Overall - mage has more options to play with, also has 2 viable specs itself, but if you like to play SP - it’s still good in certain comps and situations
Glad the hunter becomes more viable. In wrath after deterrence is down they seem squishy.
They still are but they play with classes that help them survive + have an insane amount of CC and snares
Could you make a case for Disc Priest-Ret or SPriest-Ret being A tier?
I wouldn't give them A, SP+ret maybe C tier, since ret already has so many options that are far better to play with than SP, disc+PvE ret is pretty good, but it's long AF games
@@MEYTRIX I am tired of playing UH DK spec. Are any of the other specs any good enough to do well in 2 or 3’s?
@@devinaxtman6171 blood is a meme spec, frost is decent but still much worse than Unholy in most scenarios
hey man nice vids! do you know any proper addons for the pserverlike big debuffs or plater
hey Milk, thanks, I use a bunch of addons, mostly the same ones for every expansion, I made separate videos on which ones I use too
Thanks man - do you have a 1v1 tier list for cata?
Not yet, but I will definitely make one in the future
Can vouch for hunt/sub and ret/sub. Played the hell out of them. Hard team for us as hunt rogue was vs sub disc
hey, could u make a 1v1 tier list?
hey P, good idea, I will do it sooner or later
Where do you play cata, and which is best pvp server cata?
Whitemane Maelstrom is the best, and they will be launching another realm (Deathwing) in 8 days on Friday
Tthx for fast respond. Also what do you think how new server will affect maelstorm? ANd how many players is on maelstorm and in Pvp can i play with oposite faction?@@MEYTRIX
@@Bloodhorus you have full crossfaction, PvP is super-active all the time, it is one of the most active servers in regards to PvP overall, I think the Deathwing realm will take away some players from Maelstrom, but not too many, especially the more competitive ppl will definitely go over to Desthwing for the fast progression
How important is PvE for PvP on maelstorm. For exmpl. i will take WOTKL, in wotkl you need ALOT of Pve for PvP. Is it same here? Im playing resto shammy and holy paladin how they are good in 3s? I saw in this video they are best for 2s@@MEYTRIX
Can you get gladiator in 2s in cata or do you need to do 3s/5s?
3s and 5s unless they change it
@@MEYTRIX They will change it for sure, in TBC and Wotlk they did the same. Same applies to T2 weapons / Elite gear
@@raembes possible, I don't even remember - were there 5v5s on WotLK Classic?
@@MEYTRIX yes, titles and mounts were also available in this bracket. Normally the percentage title thing and the bracket restriction removal were implemented in MoP. And thats when the arena title "inflation" began. Before that it was rank based in the realm pool. Whereas #1 titles really meant #1, meaning there were a maximum of 8 characters (3v3 and 5v5) per 10 realms or so with a specific season glad title.
are you gonna make a 3v3 list?
Definitely!
Hi is Prot Pally any good in arena pvp in cata?
Hi, nope, I heard rumors someone made it work with a two-handed weapon but never seen it myself do any good
so best option as a sp is go with mage or rogue?
yep, you could also do pretty well with a ret paladin, or with a healer like r sham, but those games would last forever
Hey dude wich cata server is aviable now? i mean instant 85 pvp ?
Hey Diego, Whitemane Maelstrom is the only one I recommend, you also have the Path of War feature that grants you instant lvl 85 for PvP, I made videos about it too
@@MEYTRIX but maelstrom is instant 85?
@@diegoricardomejiabonilla771 did you even read what I wrote? 😅😐
Firemage, holy paladin goes so hard
It is a pretty good comp, especially on later seasons with some good PvE on the mage
Feral + Resto shaman both in S and A tier?
Hmmm I guess I wanted to put r sham in S and h pal in A and thought I forgot to put r sham in the list when browsing through it so I put it along h pal again 😅👀 thanks for correcting me!
What tier would mage/feral fall into?
I don't think I'd ever see it any high on Cata, so probably below C tier, both - feral and mage have so much better comps to play, but it still wouldn't be the worst, it's playable
can you make a 3v3 tier list also
It is planned for the future! 😎
How would spriest/ feral hold up in 2s?
not terrible, the feral can peel pretty well for the priest, not as well as a sub rogue would, and also disc+feral is one of the best comps, so for both - feral and sp - you have better comp options, but it would still do pretty well together too if you can play it properly
Is Mage/Shadow Priest a thing in Cata?
Did I forget to mention it? 👀 yes, very similar to disc+mage, you just do a bit more damage with sp obviously, and it’s frost mage that you need in this comp - otherwise melees would just destroy you in seconds, B tier comp
At least A tier actually
wont Spriest + Rogue/Feral have alot of potential?
SP+Sub is decent, the rogue can peel a lot for the priest, but there’s way better comps a rogue can run on Cata
How good is jungle in 3v3 s9-11?
OP AF! one of the best comps you can play the entire expansion, and you can either play it with r sham if you wanna be more defensive or with disc if you wanna be more offensive and dispel enemies
What about blood DK, is there any playable comb for 2s? Mby 3s?
blood DK + sub rogue can work pretty well in 2s, but I don't think anyone serious would want to play with you in 3s - nobody will attack you since you are the most bulky of the team and you also don't do much damage or CC
@@MEYTRIXdamn, rogue has so many s tears combs that I doubt any rogue will want to play with bdk
yep, only if you have a good friend rogue that wants to play with you, but on lower ratings, conquest capping etc you could play with a ret paladin or a feral druid - those both can survive a lot too and do pretty well, it's just not gonna be very competitive higher
@@davidslaninka28i know im late but im a high rated BDK (1975 max, top 800-900) and think BDK rogue is the ONLY thing that can work for BDK in 2s. BDK doesnt work in 3s and is maybe a B/c tier with a rogue in 2s
He keeps saying that comps in lower tiers are seen at high rating but its rare. Doesnt this just mean this is a Popularity tier list not viablilty
nope, that means that better people can play worse comps and outplay better comps with worse people
Where would you rank Feral + Sub Rogue?
oooh there goes one that I missed...feral+sub is definitely S tier - similar to any hunter/feral/rogue combinations, they are all at the top
@@MEYTRIX thank you sir!
@@MEYTRIX It didn't occur to you that not a soul plays it for a reason?
wdym, feral and sub was rank 1 on Vicious season few years back
@@MEYTRIX So did I see enh/feral as rank1 in s9 of Atlantiss like 8 years ago. Doesn't mean anything. I'm not saying literally noone ever played it on high rating but the reason it's so rare it can't be even called a niche spec is because both of those specs fulfil very similar roles. If one of the two doesn't need to stun the kill target because the other one will cover that part, then their usefulness degrades a lot. Same can be said about peeling potential, both of them can do it a lot but neither needs it a lot themselves due to several defensives and passive healing, so either one is easily replaceable by a lot of other specs.
Furthermore, if it's supposed to be S tier, then logically it needs to have at least some good match ups against other comps within that tier. And I really can't see even one. Being S tier spec alone doesn't make it automatically have good synergy with all other S tier specs.
how about hunter+healer comps?
Not good, hunter can’t kill much alone, especially not other healer comps
Rsham and Affliction lock is good too
Yep, if you like to spend 45 minutes in single arena game - sure, and you will need some BiS PvE items on the warlock to do enough pressure
Can we have one for MoP also
I haven't yet played that much PvE on MoP to be able to talk about it 🥲
Hows enhancement shaman? Viable with anythign and not shit tier?
it's decent, not amazingly impressive but also not sht tier 😄 in 2s it's best with ret paladin, or with a holy paladin or disc priest if you can get some real good PvE parts...and in 3s as Turbo cleave with arms warrior, with ret paladin, and add a healer like disc priest or holy paladin ideally
Is ret&shadow a thing?
pretty much anything with ret is at least ok, but it has better options, you can get above 2k with it, but there's at least 5 better options for the ret to play with
@@MEYTRIX thank you sir
So feral druid shaman is both S and A tier? xD
Yep, so good it’s both 😆
why is DK + paladin an S tier, a A tier and a B tier?
Is it the same specs?
How come Sub Rog SPriest aren't S tier?
SP is trash, this isn’t WotLK anymore
Was Blood DK a meme or people actually used it?
years ago they did, and it's rly solid if not faced with a ranged dps, Blood DKs do rly well in melee situations
Can you suggest me a privet server for wow retail? If there is one, Thanks
you mean for the latest expansion - Dragonflight? there is only Firestorm to recommend
@@MEYTRIX thank you
I am playing unholy ret and faced tons of rogue/hunter . We auto lose no matter what we do. Any tips?
Are they a counter to ret/unholy?
They are a counter, yes, but it’s not like you would have no chance, use all your CDs early cause the game won’t be long, possibly Blood presence to boost your survivability a lot, position yourself so the enemy hunter has trouble shooting through LoS, pop Gargoyle ASAP to spread chaos, ret also needs to pop all CDs early for boosted healing, Sac at the right time, many many things you need to do
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I am afraid with leggos its too much to handle.
@@abdulaxixmrsal6652 yep, not gonna be easy at all if the rogue has legendaries too
Ret feral is probably pretty good too huh
It is, very solid option
How is Shadow priest insanely nerfed?
they basically sat down in the office one day and told themselves: "how can we completely fuk with destro lock and shadow priest players?" and they created the Cataclysm expansion
@@MEYTRIXlol! No but for real, is it the dammage or the off heals? Cuz dont they get more utility? Like the grip thing.
What about mm + disc, seems like A tier comp?
I don't remember ever seeing it played at higher level on Cata, I think there are many better options for both specs, but it could potentially be like a B tier comp maybe
It's terrible comp. MM Hunter has the worst sustain dmg of any spec that's at all played. Literally any other class is better with a healer than hunter in cataclysm. No dps/heal comp with half-decent players will die to it. If you look at any good 3s gameplay from a hunter, most of they do is CC, debuffing, switching pet and throwing around Sacrifice. Big part of why is because nothing besides Chimera Shot does any impressive dmg.
what about double rogue btw?
it's not terrible, but your CCs DR too much, facing any hunter/mage/ferals will completely ruin your games too (and those classes are some of the most popular ones), and there's so many much better comp options for rogue than going double rogue
best horde race for hunter ?
Orc
What about hunter - enhancement Shaman ?
Terrible 🥲
@@MEYTRIX yea I tried it yesterday it sucks 🤣. I think I have a bad memory about bm hunter enh.. maybe it was on mop and in 3s beast beastcleave
@glk96_ it wasn’t that bad in 2010, but players found out more about meta since then
is shadowpriest that bad?
it is bad, especially for 2v2, but does much better in 3v3 and Rated BGs
I respect your experience Meytrix but i cant believe mages comps are not S tier.
yea I don't think I could place any mage comp in S considering how many hunters there are in arenas which counter mages pretty hard, but that is not to say that an A or even B tier comp couldn't get all the way to rank 1, they can, it's just less likely than with the S tier comps
Enh shaman in cataclysm hits like a wet noodle compared to all other melees. No way that it with a healer is put above war/hpal or warlock with rsham/hpal or fire/disc. The latter 2 especially, fire/disc has a good match up against any melee/healer and most double dps comps and warlocks hard counter feral/disc and jungle that are ubiquitous.
Thug is not really hard to play. If anything more straightforward than jungle or rm, to compare it to other big opener comps.
Dk with disc and resto druid also doesn't deserve A tier at all. Heals aren't big enough for something as squishy against non-magic as DK and peels are way too few for healers as offensive as priest and druid.
You should add mage/shadow priest, way more common than shadow/rogue on cata. Feral/mage is another good one, though underplayed.
I played balance a lot, I'd definitely take mage or even warlock over ret. Fat chickens really need somebody with slows and big cc toolkit to have a lot of opportunities to use their own, since while they have a lot, none of it is really on demand. Big offheals to let the eclipse grow and spread dots everywhere for procs can be tempting but for that you might as well play with a healer.
You could switch tiers with some comps and nothing would happen but I have seen enhance higher more times than arms, but enh+ret is better than enh+healer I’d say, thug jungle RM - all harder comps, I am not comparing them between eachother, they are miles harder than any heal or regular melee cleaves…DK+disc also a rank one comp from the past, my experience…forgot about mage+sp, thanks for adding it…mage or even rogue with balance could be good, idk about warlock, I feel like they’d lack peels…thanks for the in-depth comment!
Lmao, enh sham has probably highest burst of all melees. Only weakness for pvp is squishyness.
@@dragoljubmihajlovicc Then you must be used to some private server. Their only burst cd are wolves that bite for less than 1k on retail clips. Sometimes only just 200.
What about dk shadowcleave with affli/spriest?
Good pick for 3s, not good for 2s - they all die too fast and if they stick on the caster - they can barely do sht
Is resto druid war/dk a dead comp
Yeah, r sham and h pal are better options overall
Eleshaman is bad in 2v2 arena ?
yep, one of the worst specs you could play in 2v2
@@MEYTRIX 😭😭 will respec rsham
why no affli + resto drood?
You could use that instead of H pal/r sham, but then Cycloning makes the target immune to damage which multidoting strategy is pretty important for affliction
Isnt ele boomy thing?
Never seen it on higher ratings in 2v2, but it could work pretty well together, and would require some very skilled people
@@MEYTRIX I see haha wanna go for ele on cata classic ik its decent in 3s with lspal and stuff but i really love 2s and im kinda disappointed
no, would get destroyed in cata, I've seen a 2800 rated Boomie+Demo warlock on whitemane recently but played by a glad boomie content creator, and another glad lock, prob not something average players can play.
What about resto druid 😢
Solid option but usually only second in most comps to the other healer classes, but it can still work fine with any good dps - DK, warrior, warlock, mage
No affli / Rsham???
Wdym no? It’s included in B tier
Damn warlocks are cooked