The initial cutscene is a normal MP4 video, not an actual in-game graphics. It can not be normal in-game animation because the world is not loaded yet. It can't even be loaded because the shaders are under pre-compilation.
bloodbourne was 10 years ago, at that time in terms of the video game at that time it would not matter if the game final code was deleted didn’t exist at a time of frame, because they were different times so you can’t expect much. Even if Sony wants a remaster/ remake because they own the IP we won’t see it unless it’s created with justice and confident it would be a seller of a product.
the original game too uses PBR materials but the extra depth you see on those surfaces in the remaster is due to the added parallax maps (which add fake detail in flat textures without needing extra geometry).
@@sannikbej I see! That's badass! They did the same in Horizon Forbidden West with animal fur and ocean foam. As I know, it delegates much work to the GPU.
I'm switching to PC after over 15 years being on consoles, I wanted to buy the Pro but it costs as much as a mid range PC in my country so I'm gonna build a PC by budget is around 1800$ so I hope I will get much more value than being on a console
Ofcourse it has more value. Ps5 pro would require you to get a tv with vrr 120hz to utilise it completely. That alone would cost 1000 bucks. ( if you try for oled that would bump the price even further monitors are cheaper )
ps5 is my first sony console before then family had the ps1 and ps2 so I played some games from that and when I tried last of us on psnow on streaming pc I said I am getting a ps5 what makes it even better is ps4 games work on ps5 so I happily traded it in for the ps5 pro and I only paid $430 after tax but I also have the disc drive for my pro
Running on AMD ryzen 9 7950x 64gb ram with rtx4090, 4K all max settings 60 fps, runs like magic. The only issue I had was Xbox controller issues but seems to have been fixed with latest patch 🎉
When I had a Ryzen 5 3600, I would always have a bit of a performance dip in the bigger settlements in Horizon Zero Dawn. I'm not surprised the stutter is still present in the remaster with even more npc's
The funny thing about Nixxes ports on how dynamic resolution works is that it doesn't. It absolutely tanks my performance on ratchet and clank, no matter what value I set it do (even after restarting the game).
They haven't mentioned the fact that the game runs out of VRAM on even 10GB cards if you're trying to use very high textures at 1440p, sticking to the high preset is best advised if you own a 3080 10GB or any other card with 8-10GB VRAM.
I mean, yeah. High textures take a lot of memory. The option is there and gamers somehow think they can crank everything to max. Like sure, the rest of your system can handle it. If people want to just see everything on Ultra but GPUs don't really have the VRAM for it then all devs can really do is crunch the textures a bit before they deliver the game to you can call them the highest quality anyways so you can see an "Ultra" in the settings screen, since real 4k textures are just gonna blow through most users VRAM budget.
Damn I am so privlaged with 5800X3D and 4070. 1440p max settings, DLAA+FG mostly 120 fps+ and my frame time graph is flatter then my ass. Frame generation is magic. Didn't saw less then 100 fps but some times it goes above 130. 2 small stutters over about 50h of gameplay. Cutscenes still not perfect but no frame drop after camera angle changed.
@@gameison4813 Just tweaked around in the driver, turned off reBAR, now with high textures it works perfectly fine without spilling over into system memory. Nixxes ports are great, they should handle VRAM with a bit more care imo. This is some kind of PCI-e bandwith bottleneck, on gen 3 systems like mine (motherboard), the fps drops in nixxes ports are much worse on 8gb GPUs
I think this remaster was unnecessary and is a testament of Sony playing it safe instead of creating new original games. On PC the original runs so well and looks so good that I see no point in backporting the Forbidden West engine updgrade to the original. From my subjective perspective the water shading does not look as good as the original, too shiny and clear. Then there are the character model swaps which I personally find to be questionable. From the business perspective it is also a shady move to delist the original so new players are forced to buy the higher priced remaster when they could have offered the update simply as a 10$ DLC for everyone. Glad to have the original my library already.
Always valve how much you guys know about breaking games down but sometimes I think you get a bit lost in the frames minutiae and don't describe the bigger picture. Im currently replaying this and there are so many beautiful changes they made but we didnt hear anything about that. Just a, 'it's great' as a bookend. Cheers 👍
I have been going back and forth between the two versions on my Ryzen 7 5700X/Radeon RX6600/32GB 3200Mhz for about 10 hours. I can play the OG one on high settings @ 60FPS @ 1080p native and no FPS drops. Never. The new one is harder to run. I can play at high settings with FSR quality and framegen and then it never, ever drops below 60FPS and runs and plays very smooth, but that comes with the FSR/framegen artifacts, but those are not too pronounced on my good ol' VRR-less 40" TV. Without FSR and framegen it drops to around 56-58 FPS here and there and thus stutters or tears the screen. With dynamic resolution I also have frame stutters that keep occurring during camera movement, that's why I choose framegen instead. IMHO for 10%-20% extra graphic fidelity over the OG one, the remaster runs 33% harder... And in my case with FSR and framegen. I am positively suprised by FSR3 and framegen, it wasn't as bad as expected, but I prefer native resolution and a solid, real 60FPS. Oh... I am running Fedora Linux 41 on my desktop PC. No Windows. I'd rather have Sony remastering the exclusive PS3 titles that stayed on that system.
I'm not very far into the remaster, but what stands out to me most are the improved facial details like the peach fuzz on Aloy's face, and the dialogue scenes are more naturally animated. Those scenes are far less stiff than the original.
I read they used the processing power of raytracing to improve the sound quality and reverberation in the game world at least in Forbidden West so likely in the Remaster too.
Gurriella Games the studio have been maxing out weak hardware from with Killzone ps2, Killzone liberation psp to Killzone 2 in VRAM 256gb to work on, in a cpu harder to work on than the NSA or NASA. I hope they deliver something new, not to discredit the Horizon Series it’s sold over 20 million, it’s just we want something new on that decima engine you created.
Man this guy Alex sucks the fun out of video games, just started playing Horizon Zero dawn the remastered for the first time it was amazing what would could be considered a remake but there are elements of hair clipping etc, Nixxes did a incredible job, most would half arse it and call it a day.
Honestly it’s getting quite annoying to hear “It is a Nixxes port so it is going to have a lot of the Nixxes stuff”. Firstly, that statement doesn’t give any actual information to the viewer who may not know what that stuff is. Secondly you clearly make it sound as if it’s negative. How about we stop making generalizations like that. I understand you have to be critical times, but this statement is not information or a critique. It is unnecessary to sound so negative when talking about something I assume is positive since everyone lauds them usually for their attention to detail with ports. Other than that great work rest of the DF crew, solid effort with all the coverage!
This is not full DF overview of the game, it is more of summary as part DF direct, I would say wait for full overview of the game, usually he explains everything there.
The problem is that everyone prefers to sing Nixxes praises while ignoring the consistent recurrent issues that comes up in their ports. It gets difficult to give genuine criticism because of this. Momentary stuttering due to VRR and VRAM overflow are two of the biggest issues with Nixxes ports and there is always a deadline to make Nixxes aware of these problems because they abandon updates for games once they're set to release another title. No one can deny Nixxes makes quality ports, they're well known for this at this point, but let's not drown out the actual helpful criticisms just because they're not what you want to hear. I prefer these problems get fixed before Nixxes move on to another title.
Video game industry is in deep crisis. Everything went too woke. Game costs more than Michael Bay movie. Barely anything new in terms of story. Many studios invested with woke nonsense.
Shift Up with the Stellar Blade Pro update is impressive what they did do to maximise the performance out of new hardware given the short turnaround, got to give credit when credit is due it’s a stellar update.
I’m doing great 👍 with this port in 4k ..frames are at 120-130 constantly and everything is maxed out ..I’m on a Decent Rig,but it’s looking gorgeous at my end.
@@Manganization cutscenes are not gameplay. It stutters when camera is changed in cutscenes but buttery smooth after it not like in this video and it doesn't drop when turning camera in gameplay
@@ManganizationI’m giving you my personal experience also..I’m the first person to slam a game if it’s not optimised properly,”BUT”..I’ve played around with this game a lot and it’s honestly fantastic “gameplay wise “..I never paid much attention to cutscenes because I’m wanting to play the game. My frames are solid and I’ve never had one stutter yet!!..but as mentioned I’m on a good rig and fast Ram helps with stutters and loading..so it might come down to how hard people are trying to push the game and on what hardware??
@gorillagroddgaming yeah but it was an PS exclusive and it's also made on gorilla's decima engine So it was kinda surprising I am happy for KOJIMA because now he has completely owns the IP
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The initial cutscene is a normal MP4 video, not an actual in-game graphics. It can not be normal in-game animation because the world is not loaded yet. It can't even be loaded because the shaders are under pre-compilation.
Sony needs to start remastering games stuck on ps3 seriously or just do bloodborne
The issue is the code, since PS3 was made on a complicated CPU/GPU, it's not easy to port those PS3 games over to current gen, let alone PC
You would need to rebuild the entire game.
bloodbourne was 10 years ago, at that time in terms of the video game at that time it would not matter if the game final code was deleted didn’t exist at a time of frame, because they were different times so you can’t expect much. Even if Sony wants a remaster/ remake because they own the IP we won’t see it unless it’s created with justice and confident it would be a seller of a product.
If Sony gives me a Motorstorm trilogy remaster, I can die happy!
If Sony wanted to remaster Bloodborne they would have done it already.They obviously don't care
Did you guys notice the paving stone in Meridian is 3D because it is a PBR material? That's still a flat surface, yet it looks 3D. 😊
the original game too uses PBR materials but the extra depth you see on those surfaces in the remaster is due to the added parallax maps (which add fake detail in flat textures without needing extra geometry).
@@sannikbej I see! That's badass! They did the same in Horizon Forbidden West with animal fur and ocean foam. As I know, it delegates much work to the GPU.
I'm switching to PC after over 15 years being on consoles, I wanted to buy the Pro but it costs as much as a mid range PC in my country so I'm gonna build a PC by budget is around 1800$ so I hope I will get much more value than being on a console
Ofcourse it has more value. Ps5 pro would require you to get a tv with vrr 120hz to utilise it completely. That alone would cost 1000 bucks. ( if you try for oled that would bump the price even further monitors are cheaper )
@@dr.sivavignesh664 you do know that you can use monitors with consoles to right? So i would not count that as an issue
ps5 is my first sony console before then family had the ps1 and ps2 so I played some games from that and when I tried last of us on psnow on streaming pc I said I am getting a ps5 what makes it even better is ps4 games work on ps5 so I happily traded it in for the ps5 pro and I only paid $430 after tax but I also have the disc drive for my pro
@@dr.sivavignesh664don’t forget a decent mouse and keyboard, a desk and comfortable chair and always online internet connection, unless it’s drm free.
You've been trolling for days. I've got my ps5pro, and it is nice. @dr.sivavignesh664
Running on AMD ryzen 9 7950x 64gb ram with rtx4090, 4K all max settings 60 fps, runs like magic. The only issue I had was Xbox controller issues but seems to have been fixed with latest patch 🎉
Amazing video, thank you Digital Foundry.
When I had a Ryzen 5 3600, I would always have a bit of a performance dip in the bigger settlements in Horizon Zero Dawn. I'm not surprised the stutter is still present in the remaster with even more npc's
The funny thing about Nixxes ports on how dynamic resolution works is that it doesn't. It absolutely tanks my performance on ratchet and clank, no matter what value I set it do (even after restarting the game).
It works great in forbidden west and GOT
Horizon Zero dawn remastered on 5pro looks next gen.
They haven't mentioned the fact that the game runs out of VRAM on even 10GB cards if you're trying to use very high textures at 1440p, sticking to the high preset is best advised if you own a 3080 10GB or any other card with 8-10GB VRAM.
I mean, yeah. High textures take a lot of memory. The option is there and gamers somehow think they can crank everything to max. Like sure, the rest of your system can handle it. If people want to just see everything on Ultra but GPUs don't really have the VRAM for it then all devs can really do is crunch the textures a bit before they deliver the game to you can call them the highest quality anyways so you can see an "Ultra" in the settings screen, since real 4k textures are just gonna blow through most users VRAM budget.
Damn I am so privlaged with 5800X3D and 4070. 1440p max settings, DLAA+FG mostly 120 fps+ and my frame time graph is flatter then my ass. Frame generation is magic. Didn't saw less then 100 fps but some times it goes above 130. 2 small stutters over about 50h of gameplay. Cutscenes still not perfect but no frame drop after camera angle changed.
That’s how I feel with my 4090 i9 14900K
Meanwhile me with my 3060 ti's 8GB VRAM buffer dropping frames to 25 until i turn down the textures to medium which makes the game look like Oblivion
@@Nick-nf1kd RIP. PS5 is running high preset settings equivalent. 8gb is dead
@@gameison4813 Just tweaked around in the driver, turned off reBAR, now with high textures it works perfectly fine without spilling over into system memory. Nixxes ports are great, they should handle VRAM with a bit more care imo. This is some kind of PCI-e bandwith bottleneck, on gen 3 systems like mine (motherboard), the fps drops in nixxes ports are much worse on 8gb GPUs
@@Nick-nf1kd Remastered doesn't have Re-Bar profile in drivers, but old game had.
The 4060 isn’t a 1440p card. Also, isn’t the PS5’s GPU equivalent the 6700 (non XT)? Also, isn’t the PS5’s CPU equivalent an under clocked Ryzen 3700?
No, PS5 equivalent CPU is 4750G underclocked or a 4700s/4800s. 3700x has 8x the amount of L3 cache than these APUs.
@ There’s never been an official comment on it.
I play this with my 4070 very high setting and work very well.
4060 2k may face drop frames.
I think this remaster was unnecessary and is a testament of Sony playing it safe instead of creating new original games. On PC the original runs so well and looks so good that I see no point in backporting the Forbidden West engine updgrade to the original. From my subjective perspective the water shading does not look as good as the original, too shiny and clear. Then there are the character model swaps which I personally find to be questionable. From the business perspective it is also a shady move to delist the original so new players are forced to buy the higher priced remaster when they could have offered the update simply as a 10$ DLC for everyone. Glad to have the original my library already.
Always valve how much you guys know about breaking games down but sometimes I think you get a bit lost in the frames minutiae and don't describe the bigger picture. Im currently replaying this and there are so many beautiful changes they made but we didnt hear anything about that. Just a, 'it's great' as a bookend. Cheers 👍
I have been going back and forth between the two versions on my Ryzen 7 5700X/Radeon RX6600/32GB 3200Mhz for about 10 hours. I can play the OG one on high settings @ 60FPS @ 1080p native and no FPS drops. Never.
The new one is harder to run. I can play at high settings with FSR quality and framegen and then it never, ever drops below 60FPS and runs and plays very smooth, but that comes with the FSR/framegen artifacts, but those are not too pronounced on my good ol' VRR-less 40" TV. Without FSR and framegen it drops to around 56-58 FPS here and there and thus stutters or tears the screen.
With dynamic resolution I also have frame stutters that keep occurring during camera movement, that's why I choose framegen instead.
IMHO for 10%-20% extra graphic fidelity over the OG one, the remaster runs 33% harder... And in my case with FSR and framegen. I am positively suprised by FSR3 and framegen, it wasn't as bad as expected, but I prefer native resolution and a solid, real 60FPS.
Oh... I am running Fedora Linux 41 on my desktop PC. No Windows.
I'd rather have Sony remastering the exclusive PS3 titles that stayed on that system.
Way better on ps5 base
What a blurry mess on the 3600 the moment the camera moves.
Did they actually make Nixxes waste their time on re-remastering a game instead of porting a new game like Demon Souls or some shit? wild
I'm not very far into the remaster, but what stands out to me most are the improved facial details like the peach fuzz on Aloy's face, and the dialogue scenes are more naturally animated. Those scenes are far less stiff than the original.
Where da ray tracing? I mean they got a million robots with leds and shit.
They will do remake after horizon 3 😂
I read they used the processing power of raytracing to improve the sound quality and reverberation in the game world at least in Forbidden West so likely in the Remaster too.
ray tracing what shadows? Half the world is grass what a waste of resources to see reflections in a puddle of water.
Bloodborne :-()
Overrated slop where you spam the dodge button
its really overrated if we're being honest
@@gorillagroddgaming neat
@@thegantz87 Cool
@@hayabusa09 go play some dark souls, thats the better game :3
So, end of Steam Deck support I guess for the remaster :(.
Play on a 4080 and you won’t have any problems
More views on yt than the players
Gurriella Games the studio have been maxing out weak hardware from with Killzone ps2, Killzone liberation psp to Killzone 2 in VRAM 256gb to work on, in a cpu harder to work on than the NSA or NASA. I hope they deliver something new, not to discredit the Horizon Series it’s sold over 20 million, it’s just we want something new on that decima engine you created.
Why was Alex missing during the ps5 pro review when we needed him the most?????????????????
Man this guy Alex sucks the fun out of video games, just started playing Horizon Zero dawn the remastered for the first time it was amazing what would could be considered a remake but there are elements of hair clipping etc, Nixxes did a incredible job, most would half arse it and call it a day.
I am consistently playing it as well and having a lot of fun, I play on pc 4080 super 7950x3d
Honestly it’s getting quite annoying to hear “It is a Nixxes port so it is going to have a lot of the Nixxes stuff”. Firstly, that statement doesn’t give any actual information to the viewer who may not know what that stuff is. Secondly you clearly make it sound as if it’s negative. How about we stop making generalizations like that. I understand you have to be critical times, but this statement is not information or a critique. It is unnecessary to sound so negative when talking about something I assume is positive since everyone lauds them usually for their attention to detail with ports.
Other than that great work rest of the DF crew, solid effort with all the coverage!
I like them being negative. Developers should be kept on a tight leash otherwise they get away with everything.
This is not full DF overview of the game, it is more of summary as part DF direct, I would say wait for full overview of the game, usually he explains everything there.
The problem is that everyone prefers to sing Nixxes praises while ignoring the consistent recurrent issues that comes up in their ports. It gets difficult to give genuine criticism because of this. Momentary stuttering due to VRR and VRAM overflow are two of the biggest issues with Nixxes ports and there is always a deadline to make Nixxes aware of these problems because they abandon updates for games once they're set to release another title.
No one can deny Nixxes makes quality ports, they're well known for this at this point, but let's not drown out the actual helpful criticisms just because they're not what you want to hear. I prefer these problems get fixed before Nixxes move on to another title.
Yeah I think Nixxes does a good job on their ports, I'd take their issues over rolling the dice.
> Secondly you clearly make it sound as if it’s negative
Completely missed the point that they are quite happy with what Nixxes is doing.
Im already sick of those remasters and regret that i bought a ps5. Where are new games?
AAA gaming is stale mate. Try indies.
They already came out and new ones are in the oven cooking
You didn't buy PS5, you bought PS4 pro pro
Video game industry is in deep crisis. Everything went too woke. Game costs more than Michael Bay movie. Barely anything new in terms of story. Many studios invested with woke nonsense.
Exactly. And now they're trying to convince people to buy a pro.
remasters are so important, they help keep the folk tale of gaming alive
No it's not a good port
Alex likes woke games but cries at stellar blade😂
Shift Up with the Stellar Blade Pro update is impressive what they did do to maximise the performance out of new hardware given the short turnaround, got to give credit when credit is due it’s a stellar update.
It is dreadful, the frame time is horrible, use a fps cap. Nothing can be done about the stutters.
I’m doing great 👍 with this port in 4k ..frames are at 120-130 constantly and everything is maxed out ..I’m on a Decent Rig,but it’s looking gorgeous at my end.
Get better pc, I had 2 small stutters during 50h gameplay.
@@gameison4813 naw, the game, as shown in the video, and from personal experience, does suffer from stutters when moving the camera.
@@Manganization cutscenes are not gameplay. It stutters when camera is changed in cutscenes but buttery smooth after it not like in this video and it doesn't drop when turning camera in gameplay
@@ManganizationI’m giving you my personal experience also..I’m the first person to slam a game if it’s not optimised properly,”BUT”..I’ve played around with this game a lot and it’s honestly fantastic “gameplay wise “..I never paid much attention to cutscenes because I’m wanting to play the game.
My frames are solid and I’ve never had one stutter yet!!..but as mentioned I’m on a good rig and fast Ram helps with stutters and loading..so it might come down to how hard people are trying to push the game and on what hardware??
Now I am replaying, this game sucks so bad lol, no idea how I enjoyed it the first time, maybe it was the foliage tech.
DEATH STRANDING is released on XBOX so what are your opinions gamer's or PS fan boy's
Who cares about that game tbh. It’s a boring walking simulator/movie game
@gorillagroddgaming yeah but it was an PS exclusive and it's also made on gorilla's decima engine
So it was kinda surprising
I am happy for KOJIMA because now he has completely owns the IP
More people can play dope games. 😮
You mean the game Xbots shitted on for years, that game
Death stranding is extremely boring, played on pc and my ps5 (not worth the time at all)
of course alexa is buying up this goyslop
Based
The copium on you is severe 😂😂😂
GAYBOX FANQUEERS STILL CANT PLAY THIS MASTERPIECE!!!!
Kingofjewsoles54
Are you 12?
you sound mentally challenged.
are we going back to the 2010 "sony ponys vs. xbots" df era?
Go take your ritalin Ryan Miller. Malaka