Hipshot Supertone 3-Point Bass Bridge Swap - Epiphone EB-0 Mod Series - LowEndLobster Builds
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Epiphone EB-0 Review: • Epiphone EB-0/SG-E1 Re...
EPIPHONE EB-0 MOD SERIES
Hipshot Bridge Install: • Hipshot Supertone 3-Po...
Artec 30k Mudbucker Install & Test: TBD
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Hipshot Tuner Install & Test: TBD
Hey Everyone! Today we're kicking off the second mod series of MODcember, the Epiphone EB-0/SG-1 Mod showcase! The Epiphone EB-0 is a deeply flawed instrument out of the factory with a terrible bridge design, lame pickup, and neck dive that would put an Olympian diver to shame. We're going to be addressing all of these flaws one by one to see if we can turn the Epiphone EB-0 into something worthwhile. First off, let's do something about that 3 point bridge.... Let's go!
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I did this swap on my Epiphone Jack Casady. Definitely a step up not just in terms of tone or sustain, but playability. It's more comfortable to play than the three point bridge
Same! I love it on my JC too.
Was it just a straight replacement, or did you have to do anything to handle the JC’s curved top?
I imagine the weight of the new bridge balanced the Casady bass out even more, given that it's hollow?...
@@Macilmoyle exactly how Mr. Lobster did it. No tools necessary, even with the bit of a curve in the top
@@fretlessman71 I've never really had any neck dive issues with the Jack Casady model. The tuners on it aren't all that heavy, so it doesn't have massive neck dive issues
This Epiphone EB-0 Mod Series is one of the best mod series, not just from your channel, but from any YT Bass Channel. Bravo to you Lobbie!👍
“The saddles start going where…this thing is a piece of crap” had me rolling 😂😂😂
I'd love to see a spectral side-by-side of it, but just from listening to the audio it sounds like it has added a little bit of clarity on the mids and highs - more noticeable when you're using a pick or slapping. Looking forward to future mods.
It does sound better with the new bridge. The sound is more... well, articulate. I don't how to put it better. It's less "hollow", so to speak. As if the midrange shifted to a more usable range. I'd put on a set of flatwounds though. This bass is NOT a slapper.
Doesn’t the Hipshot cost more than the bass?! 😮
was not expecting to but I noticed a nicer high end
I have this Hipshot bridge on my Gibson SG bass. The differences in tone are not that noticeable to my ears. What I do like is the adjustments this bridge allows - much easier to adjust and fine tune than the stock Gibson 3 point bridge.
Did this to my limited edition epiphone eb-3….was a great improvement. I could get the action and intonation way better. The strings felt better although the e string still feels a little floppy but better. Overall tone was an improvement. Expensive but a great move up for the epiphone! Great video !
The new bridge gives it a brighter tone, IMHO.
Seems ever so slightly brighter with the new bridge. I'd want that bass for the old school mud, so I'd just keep the old bridge on.
I did notice a slightly more consistent tone, but only just, better overall attack from mid and low mids. But it's the playability that comes from this thing that makes it necessary.
I got an old 76 Ibanez 'Ripper' copy that will get one of these when I can afford it, and boy it needs it.
The Hipshot looks better,and I’m sure the same can be said for quality.The bass sounded a little brighter to me.Can you do a video on setting the string height and intonation?Thank you.
Wouldn’t dream of using the bass without the hipshot … lovely bridge that improves the bass no end … I’m moving on to your pickup thoughts now…
Replaced the stock bridge on my Tbird.
Who doesn't like a bridge that's tight to the body? Be careful when tightening. There's approximately a 1/8" "void", for lack of a better word, under the bridge for each bolt, I assume to allow for clearance for the lugs that are pushed into the body which are not flush to the body.
If you really torque it down til it's "tight" you will pull those lugs out a fraction of an inch, as I did. I had to reseat the lugs and shim the voids with 2 washers til they were flush with the base of the bridge.
My SG came with a Babicz. The action is really dialed in and i find it to be a pleasure to play.
I put this pickup on my Gibson SG. I detect no difference in the sound, but the function and look is better to me. My bass is black and so is the bridge. Looks factory.
Man, when you hate a bridge, you really hate that bridge! I'm reminded of that same intense hatred from your review of the Tholmannbacker bridge. Remember that contraption? But I actually kinda like both the traditional 3-point bridge and that of the RB-414 (just gotta keep track of those loose saddles when changing strings).
All good though, thanks as always for putting in the work. At least sparked me to check out any potential mods for my 2011 Burny SBEB-65. It's a '65 Gibson EB-3 clone (even headstock and maple neck). So I may not, it's pretty good stock for an EB-3. Can't really be much more than it is, I think. Gonna go play her to confirm.
it´s always a smile on my face when your video pops up. I really enjoy it. Thanks
Awesome video! I hear the hipshot bridges adds a bit of sustain.
It's insane how Epiphone/Gibson got away with putting a fake mudbucker in their basses, they're nowhere near the 30k output the original basses had!
Right. The fake sidewinder sucks.
It is a shame that they messed with the sidewinder. I had an original on a ‘67 Gibson EB2db. I really enjoyed that one.
There's one from a company called Artec that has an actual 30k overwind.
@@Dreams_Of_Lavender Anybody try one out?
@@bflo1000 I've heard they're good from people I know, but I don't have one yet, or a vintage Gibson to compare it to.
Could it be that the strings are able to ring out better and that's the tonal difference I'm hearing? It's ever so slight but it is present. My EB-0 is in the shop right now to get the same bridge put on as well as having a set of Relentless pbass pickups gouged in to The Sweet spot. I can't wait to hear what it sounds like and I'd be happy to send you a video if you'd like to hear it. Thanks for all your hard work man. You're the best.
Thanks James! That sounds KILLER! Be sure to send some pics (email, instagram or talkbass are best). I have a relentless middle in the 'sweet spot' in my FGN Mighty Power, great sound out of that pickup. Enjoy!
everytime I see someone modding a SG bass I remember Mike Watt's legendary basses (I hope someday I could do that type of mods too)
That bass sounds fantastic with the hip shot bridge I wish that it was mine!!!
A very good Review, thanks . A Total change and a good Experience !
I heard an improvement in mid range and sustain, and obviously you felt it played better. It actually sounds pretty good. A little clickity clacky.
it sounds more focused to me..... i like it.
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I learned to "master" the 3 point stock bridge in my MIK Epiphone Flying V, but know I need this Hipshot or the Babicz for precise intonation and lower string height (it's comfortable now, but not as low as I usually love.) If it could go lower, I would stick with it, but there are limits, and some of the screws are a bit chipped by now due to all the tinkering I have done to it. It needs manual help for it to work after adjusting the screws, and the G does not intonate up to a certain point. It is a mess right now, though it's perfectly intonated to its current strings. I could not get perfect intonation with the RS88 tapewounds I had on before (honestly blame the bridge, not the strings.)
I like the Hipshot functionality, but the stock bridge looks nicer on the V. Same with the Babicz. But for maximum enjoyment of that particular bass, I really should get to it soon (has great Lollar humbuckers in it.) It sounds great, but could play even better, and I wish to try the tapewounds again with a more "standard" bridge (it would not be about hi mass, but more maximum functionality-current bridge has limits.)
Thanks for demonstrating it!
There's definitely a noticeable difference in tone: more presence, more definition, faster attack, probably also longer sustain. A solidbody bass like this definitely wins with it. However, I'm not sure it would improve the sound of my Rumblekat for my taste. It sounds more modern, and that's not something that I'd be looking for. I also like the look of the stock bridge and I don't have any issues with its feel. So I hope it'll hold up and won't develop the dreaded tear-out issue.
Nice video. Hipshot does make great hardware. Dimarzio Relentless pickups would be interesting, especially the neck pickup.
As for future mods...
Go for broke and eliminate the neck dive altogether. Chop the headstock off and make it headless with the hipshot headless tuning system. That would be a fun mod, though a tad extreme
I swear the new bridge sounds more "present". It seems more alive than the original one.
I agree. I thought it was slightly tighter, not quite as muddy.
Thanks I always appreciate your insight on modifications like this and otherwise. 👍
People talk shit, but every time I've seen these giged, or pick one up at the music store they sound great! Much prefer an sg bass with a single pickup too
Sounds different to me and like an improvement. I don't know if your playing changed or anything, but there's something sort of "flimsy" in the sound clip w/ the old bridge. Maybe my eyes are tricking my brain.
The strings definitely felt a bit tighter with the new bridge. Thank you!
Love the new bridge, that would be a huge improvement!
"It just feels better" is why I often put high mass bridges on my basses. I end up rocking harder. They feel more responsive. Sound better? Conceivably, but there's not much difference. Here I felt like the new bridge actually did sound a bit better because the EB-0 itself sounded so murky to begin with. My old band had a 60s EB-0 that had come to us without a functional pickup. The Dimarzio Model One my bandmates put in it sounded pretty darn good. It was tighter and stouter than a Mudbucker, but still got the dark EB-0 tones when necessary.
i've just done this myself - super easy to do and marked improvement, although not cheap (bridge cost more than guitar). wish hipshot produced some info about the side to side saddle adjustment... yours sounded great even before the mod, don't know why you knock it so much...
Feel.
I have a love hate thing with sidewinder neck pickups on gibson basses, like they super useful with synths and octavers because they are purely fundamental notes with not much harmonic quality, but wow they would benefit from being paired up with a clear pickup in the middle to be more usable in more scenarios
I did notice a difference: less chimey with the Hipshot bridge. Small difference, but its there. Same reason I used brass bridge pins on a very airy sounding acoustic guitar. I replace 5 of 6 pins with brass, and that airy tone became more low mid forward. I noticed a very similar event with your bridge swap; an improvement, to me. A bass just needs to sound like a bass sometimes, bro!
It'd be cool to add a 2nd pickup in the bridge position on one of these
It has been done!
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Hang on a sec, I have mud in my ears. Nope, mud is still there but getting rid of that bridge was the first step to salvation. Maybe rout out a slot for a bridge pickup is all I got. Thanks Lobsta
Thanks for doing this video. This is tha main upgrade recommended for this bass.
Love the Tshirt 😂 your videos are really cool & informative also.🎸I'm looking forward to installing one on my DC tribute. Might install one on my eb3 also.
Really hoping one is the Billy Sheehan Relentless Dimarzio neck pickup, or at least one of there similar pickups. Although I'm sure I'm going to find what's been chosen intresting either way lol just love to know what that pickup sounds like.
I know Gibson's been slowly warming up to the Babicz brand for their bridge needs these past several years, but they really should've made a deal with Hipshot as their bridge replacements are way more cost effective and have a bit more to offer (i.e. side-to-side string adjustment option) by comparison. Good informative upload as always, my good man!
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The 2 new signature Thunderbird models both use Hipshot bridges and tuners. I think they're starting to get the hint...
I get that 3 point bridges may be annoying to setup and all that but frankly I think it adds to the sound. Whether you like that is up to you but to deny it has a characteristic sound is silly (same thing as Ric bridges)
Hi, just to give a quick opinion : the bass sounds slightly clearer with a little less low end to it. But it sounds good. Thanks
you can hear how it sounds fuller on the low end.
I’m guessing that one set of posts are for Imperial based threads (Gibson USA) and the others are metric (Epiphone)
Yes
my son has this bass and we added two emg pick ups .
I'd take the HipShot over the stock bridge all day, all night, 365 days a year
I put a hipshot on my jackson this year and the sustain is like doubled. The stock high mass bridge is garbage imo.
The phrase "lipstick on a pig" comes to mind.
Don't let it go!! Keep it!!
I noticed that the new bridge made the pickup sound more clear.
Lobster One your a great player and two that Epi does not at all sound bad Be it stock bridge or Hip shot Would like to see you do the D’marzio pick up review next
Put a MM pickup in it!
YES!!
I wish Gibson would return to calling their SG bass back to EB-0 and the like. SG to me is pure Guitar.
Totally agree. As far as I know SG stands for Standard Guitar and EB stands for Electric Bass.
Wow noticeable difference
Does the bridge cost more then the bass???
Though there are basses where I've done that, this is not one of them. The bridge is 150ish from hipshot, less on Amazon/Ebay
I'm interested to see if a pickup will make this bass better.
I kind of want a Gibson SG bass but $1799 is a bit much.
mine did
I heard a Better tone after the mod but I didn’t know if you turned up the settings or anything
I think ypu used a two point Hipshot Bridge and not the three point bridge.
Kindly clarify.
Thank you sir.
Are you able to get lower string height?
I thought MAYBE it had a bit more high end than the old one when using a pick? Maybe I'm wrong. I have an Epi T-Bird that I want to do this to.
What a fantastic video
Change caps in control cavity
Hi Lobster. If it doesn't change the tone and there no other problems, why replace it? I have a Jack Casady. Dan
That is a stellar question. Way easier and more precise in terms of setting up.
Dude, that bass is Windows XP Service Pack 1
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Sir what is the string spacing of your Hipshot Supertone bridge?
17mm or 19mm?
Thank you.
I really like my EB-0 apart from the neck dive. Are there any successful mods to stop this? Changing the tuners? Changing the position of the strap buttons?
You could look into fashioning a piece of metal attaching onto the top two screws of the neck plate and extending up to the 12th fret with a strap button there.
I swapped out my epi t-bird bridge for a supertone and it was well worth buying it. those factory 3-point bridges are absolute junk imo and I have no idea why epi & gibson keep using them.
Less mids. I prefer the original. But thanks for the video!
Is it worth putting such an expensive bridge on this bass? Sell it and get a bass with a better bridge, there are lots out there.
Honestly? No not worth it. We do these vids for fun and to demonstrate the upgrade and its impact. I hope to either encourage people to do the same or to discourage it depending on the results haha.
I like the original bridge. :-)
Is is at all possible to add a Gibson bridge mute device to this or the EB3?
Does the hipshot allow lower string height ?
The gibson 3 point bridge is not terrible at all, you just need to know how to use it, I don’t know why is relevant that the saddles are falling when is not string, are they falling when playing? the hipshit is just expensive 💩 , “the string feel more solid or SOMETHING I DONT KNOW” ok fair argument 😂
Jack Casady has been using this bridge for ever. Just sayin
Swap didn't work on my Gibson Thunderbird, saddles are much too low even turned up all the way. Can't return it so now I'm stuck with a bridge I can't use
That's really odd... it sounds like your neck might need some relief?
@@LowEndLobster the strings won't clear the highest fret, with standard relief set on it. It's WAY off. Best I can figure is the neck through body was made at an angle that makes it tilt the neck backwards enough to cause it. Took it to local shop and they couldn't help. Considered making plate to raise it about a 1/4", but I'm not sure how it'll look
@@mojoemurphy That's really odd... yeah it does seem like your neck angle might be off. Bummer!
for tone i think it's only 15 persen different from old one.
I think the bridge has more mass than the body.
Put the Bisonic pickup in, then put a second and a third in
Definitely more sustain with the new bridge, but it loses a lot of the thumpy character which is this bass's only real redeeming quality.
no test with the tone rolled all the way down? you really dont get this bass at all (its tone and its history)
HipShot or Babicz Replacement bridges are the only way to overcome the original bridges, which are a phenomenal construction failure. I don’t understand why buyers still accept to buy such grap and why Gibson and Epi still produce these awful bridges.
why awful? they look good and sound good...
That 3 point bridge is junk. My biggest problem with it the simple fact it floats over the body. I have to believe this limits the full potential of the tone. Also, I believe it is absolutely a contributing factor the the terrible neck dive.
Is the Gibson/Epiphone 3 point bridge the best bridge in the world? No. But I think it's a route one cheap shot to talk harshly about it. Set it up properly and it functions just fine. There are worse bridges to palm mute over. I still have the three pointer on my carved/curved top Epiphones (Les Paul Standard and Jack Casady) and I really don't care enough to replace it. I'm not changing strings every week. My preferred strings (D'addario XL) don't have silks. I can't be bothered doing anything to counteract the curvature of the body (seen some people use felt spacers). It does the job, while looking goofy like a three legged oil rig. I think it looks goofier on a flat top - the curvature of the bodies of my two mask its "bridge on stilts" look a little.
not enough of a difference to even matter at all from what i heard
That is a 200 euro replacement part. I wouldn't spend a dime on such a dreadful design.
You gonna swap out the pickup too? It could only help!
I never thought you can have mud and no bass at the same time.
And I had one of these in the past but I didn't notice it. Only played it at a couple of jams though.
How much did that bass weigh?
Is there a way to stop the buzzing? Or am I forced to get the Gibson?