Loving the 7900 XTX content. Your high hotspot temps might be limiting your boost clocks. My air cooled XFX Merc 310 managed 17300 score on 450-475 watts. If you can get the hotspot to below 90°C you might be able to get a much higher score.
The ridges on that backplate are no joke. It’s also so damn long it has good pass through on the heatsink despite the large pcb that nvidia ditched with ampere and Lovelace for better cooling. It also has good thermal interface material for the backplate.
Hi chosen one. I am about to water cool my merc 310 on air I get 2850mhz with 55% fan speed. What is your stable oc? Cause if i push my fans at 100% i can get 3000mhz +. Hope i can get same with water cooling at a normal noise levels.
@@aurelAli1919 You'll easily get whatever you can achieve with your fans at 100% if you have a properly-mounted cooler and a good radiator setup. Now, is it necessarily worth it to sit at 3100 MHz instead of say 2900-2950? You'll have to do some benchmarks to find out.
I love it when you do this crazy stuff , it just proves to me how silly it is. With my 7900xtx MBA under a waterblock I can get 16100 gpu score whilst using under 400w. To gain 10% performance for a 50% increase in power is madness and not something I will ever be aspiring too. LtMatt is on the leaderboard so many times because each entry is with a different card. He had the Merc , Red Devil and Nitro+ and kept the Sapphire card.
Actually, the only entry on there is with the Nitro. I also never had the Red Devil. Tried the Nitro, Merc, TUF and Aorus. Nitro was the best overall. TUF would be one of the best but the power limit is lower sadly.
@@TheMattB81 The Nitro I have looks limited to 463W with two 8pin and one daisy chain. Is that the power limit with three single 8pin? I'm not assuming the gpu can tell. Managed to squeeze out 10043 on 8k superposition with the stock air cooler.
@@MasterSoda360 Yes, 467W is the max power limit, however it's typically shown as 463W by most software and on overlays. Not sure if you ever watched my videos on YT, but on my overlays you'll see it hitting the 463W frequently at 4K.
Have you tried watercooling and then overclocking your cats? Maybe you could achieve 1.3x jump height and 1.75x peak running speed boost if my calculations are accurate. Worth a try maybe
@@elonwong Potentially yes, but various breeds of cats react differently to watercooling so precise testing would be neat to use as a baseline for future comparison!
@@Real_MisterSir I think roman's Cats under the product line "Norwegian Forest" and "Maine Coon", are both susceptible to performance gains under watercooled conditions 😋
increasing voltage applied to a cat is a key. But, you must be extremely cautios, its internal structure is not adapted to prolonged overload and can suddenly fail. Also, your own interface can be severely damaged in process of applying and especially after detaching voltage
I've had 3 XTX Tai-Chi's come through the shop and each one could hold 3200MHz GPU clock with just a +15% power bump. Really liking these XTX cards. Finally 3GHz GPU's.
Are you talking about a bump to the voltage? I'm new to overclocking. My xfx comed at 1150 stock but when I turn it down to 1050 it goes from 2800mhz to 3050.
AMD: ‘we could make a card as fast as the 4090 but we wanted power to be reasonable’ Roman: ‘hold my beer’ To be fair the xtx doesn’t have a fully enabled die but… still.
Re-calibrating the vrm controller still works on the 7000 -series! Nice! (sad that they took away mpt power and voltage increasing though) Imagine how fast that would be with direct die heat transfer to bring down those 100c temps. Once the temp gets above 80c or so the voltage / frequency just scales horribly bad. Could be really fast!
Liquid metal on the die (correct precautions taken if course) should help tame those Hotspot temps. Did an OC run on Vega 64 a few days ago. Hit 500w power draw. Under chilled water GPU temp hit 37c and hotspot was only 50c. A good LM application will help bring down the Delta between HS and GPU temp.
This shows the potential of this card and reveals their plan to release an updated version mid cycle. I think we might see something more impressive than the typical Ti or -50 model.
I don't think we'll ever see a 4090 competitor this generation--AMD has been all about efficiency and they would have to push this architecture way into the inefficient end of the curve to achieve that sort of performance. But maybe we'll see some sort of update with at least a decent bump. Here's hoping!
@@thicclink There are few leaks about 7950xtx and 7990xtx (which will be the 1st gpu with 3d cache). Also a few leaks about gaming performance beating the 4090, but these are fakes probably
It is sad that the ability to use MPT was taken away with this gen. It was nice to be able to just click a few times and be running at a solid 350W on a 6900XT, with the ability to still turn it up 15% with the OEM tuning software.
with MPT i pulled 615watt from my RX 6900 XT Red Devil Ultimate with waterblok. Got to set a few nice records on ambient with that setup. When I found out that MPT was not possible this gen, it actually stopped me from getting a 7900 XTX.
I have an air cooled Powercolor Red Devil 7900XTX and with just a small overclock using LACT (I am on Ubuntu Linux) I see 3000Mhz and 420 watts+ power usage and amazingly the temps stay in a range where it could run like that all day long, fans get loud though. I am sure my Fractal Torrent case and all its airflow helps, but the card is amazing. Powercolor did a great job with it.
At 3200 MHZ, the 7900 XTX should be able to outperform and match the 4090 in lots of games. I am wondering if these clocks will be possible in the future with just driver updates because with the 6000 series, power consumption was significantly dropped with just driver updates.
@@counterassy yes yes good job, but are your frametimes better than with a good undervolt in your games. Get off the benchmark. I only notice about 2-5 fps increase from big OC, Your OC is much larger than what iǘe tested but still it seems that you can achieve more with a different method on 5nm TSMC. Good of you to say the 4090 still wins tho
The list you showed on 3D Mark is not the hall of fame, but at the top left if you switch it to "Leaderboard" mode it will only show the best score from each user, instead of all of them.
Really fun seeing this kind of stuff. Also, the 3DMark leaderboards are an absolute mess because they list *all* of your results, not just your best with a given configuration. I swear half of the 4090 HOF is literally 2 dudes that did dozens of runs each.
You can switch it to "Leaderboard" at the top left and it shows only the best score from each user. Been using 3D Mark for years now, only just learned this a few months ago lol.
Dk if this could be further improved by going sub zero, but if possible I would love to see this in a video. Same with the 4090 to see how hard we can maximally push them 😂
@@Kriss_gaming_hole This is false. Plenty of GPUs have been benched using liquid nitrogen with no such issues, for years now. On this channel, as well as Gamer's Nexus, and JayzTwoCents. All of the top GPU scores on 3dMark are using sub zero cooling, and these guys aren't killing their GPUs from it.
My 3090 Kingpin Hydro Copper with the 1KW Rebar bios pulls GOBS of power. I love it! It’s 20%+ faster than any 3090FE and just still godly powerful in 2023. What a great GPU it has been.
Now I really want to see what this thing can do under LN2 with the mindset of throwing power to the wind (even if that means using a 1600W PSU solely just to power the GPU and turning off OCP)
Pretty incredible amount of headroom available on these cards. If you're gaming, it might even be faster the a 4090 as 3D mark is a synthetic workload and not something you'd encounter running Overwatch or Battlefield. Unfortunately didn't show the wattage at the end of the video, but it has to be much more acceptable then the 3D mark load. That's pretty crazy seeing as the 4080 and 4090 have no overclocking headroom and a 4090 is $600 more.
Couple days ago I had to "repaste" my Asrock Aqua xtx, I used a kryosheet that I cut to size. Hotspot only hits 60s @ max draw, which is either 525w or 545w with Asrocks newest BIOS.
In my 7900xtx nitro plus at 465w I have an average of 15% more fps than stock model in cyberpunk native 4k clock is around 2900mhz. Gaming clock at 3350mhz is crazy. I would like to see a test on the amd platform with SAM on. Certainly the results would make a greater impression than those in 3d mark.
@@quintrapnell3605 Depending on the game you have a different game clock. In modern warfare 2 you can have a stable clock at 3200mhz. For MW2 I have set 3300mhz@1081v this gives in-game clocks of 3100-3250mhz. But to achieve such clocks in cyberpunk is already a challenge.
I was able to reach 3.3gh peak clocks with a really good reference card, but it was both power and cooling limited on it, so it would hit those clocks in games then actually drop clockspeed by a lot so it would ultimately result in less performance. My current Tiachi will comfortably sit around 3.1ghz without issues while sucking down 465ish watts
I just can’t be bothered to tune for every game when it involves sitting through crashes that might take an hour to appear then reloading everything and doing it again. Maybe if I only played one game.
Wait. So you "accidentally" proved here, that 3 8 Pin pcie are enough for 600w+. I mean it was already clear beforehand, since the 12vEPS 8 Pin and the 8 Pin pcie are basically the same, with pcie having one more ground pin and one less 12v. So the pcie 8 pin can carry 300w (EPS12v) * 3/4 = 225w each. making the safe powerinput through 3 pcie 8 pin 675w. So 450w 4090s could get away with 2 PCIe 8 pins (and like 50w through the slot just to be safe) and higher end Models with 3.
Thank you for a great video. I am looking in to push my 2070S further, and this i s a good inspi. I have a PNY 2070 Super "mini", it have been amazing to push, running up 2230@700 with a msi bios flash. Pushing 251 watt, but I know I got temp and power to push to 300W. But too bad you didnt try do make a run on a bit greater cpu. Could have been a nice touch with a top 3;)
A few gaming benchmarks weren't possible? Would be interested to see the scaling of performance up there. I wouldn't have expected much, but oh well, still a great video and nice mod. Very interesting, thanks
@@darealmaul 1st of all i think its one of der8auer personal tools he made to play with gpus ;) second, with my litle electro knowlage: 12v connectors are easly to get, pcb u can do on ur own, circuit i'd write in google "12v power monitor on the fly" since the one on the vid have high refresh rate, i'd say something decent
I'm actually curious about the flipside of at least one of the comments to this video... A lot of people just pick up whatever video card they want, put it in their system and run with it - especially not even watercooling it unless it comes that way. I'm curious how far you can push a card under those circumstances. Nowhere near as much, for sure, but I'm definitely curious!
I would say yes but it's an XT and not the XTX so nowhere near as good of a card anyway so I mean probably not but it's upto you right? Why XT and not XTX though?
Seeing that you have an Corsair Power supply i would check the Amp current those can deliver on the 12V rails especially on the GPU Rails i have that Problem before and had to find out that Corsair PSUs can't deliver much in terms of Amp (only ~50A as far as i remember) i then switched to a Seasonic 1600W PSU with 75A for 20ms on those rails and my Problem was "mostly" gone. Disclosure: i had damaged my Vega FE and had burned out a Computing Core under Air, and now, if the driver decide to use that Core (Core 0), cause a short with an Amp spike of something around 60A, The seasonic PSU can "mostly" power through but sometimes it is too long and triggers the protection. having re fit this damaged Card to water makes at least sure nothing else burned out. Many PSU are kind of Weak on this specific Rail and i had to search specifically for a High Amp PCIe Rail PSU to overcome the Problem. 600Watts are definitely something a Corsair PCIe Rail struggle with Ampere wise.
The power protection on the PSU really doesn't make sense to me as far as it being 3 8-pins goes. I ran my 3090 Kingpin up to almost 700W draw on an eVGA P2 1200W PSU with the unlocked BIOS and never tripped anything in the PSU. That was on liquid as well, nothing special, just a dedicated 480x60mm radiator after the GPU to cool the liquid off and get that heat out.
Wow, I guess this is why my Sapphire Nitro+ melted one of my PSU pcie cables then. I have since set the sapphire to silent mode so it doesnt boost so much. What I think was happening is me using an exploit on son of the forest, logging off and back on again so I could loot the ammo boxes again and again, it was in single player, im not that lame :D But each time I logged in again would require more juice from the card and was overloading the pcie cables
Seems like computers are going to need a 48 volt rail soon. Just like Tesla is doing with the Cybertruck, when you quadruple the voltage, you will quarter the current for the same amount of power. The copper conductors in wiring and connectors are what limit the current, while the insulation determines what voltage the wire is rated for. Plastic insulation can handle 240 volts like in household wiring, so 48 volts won't be a problem. The 8 pin connector is rated for 150 watts at 12 volts, so that means 12.5 amps. Now 12.5 amps in a 48 volt system would be 600 watts per 8 pin connector. With that said, power supply and board manufacturers would have to cooperate, and all the components that handle power would have to be rated for 48 volts. However, a 48 volt mosfet would handle 12 volts without a problem, so new boards could easily be backwards compatible with 12 volt systems.
@@spankeyfish I just grabbed a dell power supply and the yellow 5 volt wire has 300v printed on it. Most manufacturers use off the shelf components, they don't make their own wire that just barely meet the requirements. Off the shelf wiring typically has a rating in the hundreds of volts, it's only when you get close to a thousand volts do you have to worry about voltage leaking or dielectric breakdown. Often high voltage stuff primarily relies on distance or routing the wire away from ground or sensitive stuff because they can't rely 100% on the insulation. Regardless 48 volts is nowhere near high voltage.
You also have the small problem that a not insignificant number of users are on 120v and 1500W per spur. I still wonder why more "enthusiast" American PC owners aren't using the 240v bridged phase mode that a lot of US houses can have for high power applications. At the same time though, I also think burning 700 watts just on a toy GPU to run Minecraft at 3 billion frames per second is moderately insane, and GPU manufacturers really need to release something like a "XTE" or "TE" or whatever version of their next gen cards, which basically perform like previous gen but with vastly less power consumption.
@@riba2233 The GPU gets that 1V from a stepped-down supply on the card, hence all those honking great VRMs. The card itself is fed from 12V, which itself is stepped down from either 120 or 240v mains. Actually running a PC from 240v is more efficient than 120v, and I do have to wonder if stepping from 24 or 48v would be more efficient than 12v when stepping down to the 1V GPU voltage. If it means less heat being created by the VRMs, maybe it's an option, though it would also mean everyone having to buy new $200-$500 power supplies to deliver the new voltage, because what nutcase is going to spend high end toy GPU prices, then cheap out with some Explodium-brand power supply?
I was briefly in the top 100 with my air cooled merc 7900 xtx on a 750w psu. Stable on 3dmark but I think power was spiking too high in the early access games I play. I have ordered the water block and will be switching to a bigger psu.
@@Charlie-zj3hw I have several but they were used in my mining rigs. The 750 was plenty for the daily rig until now and it's still fine with a mild oc. I've used it since the 1080 ti was new.
Good to see that AMD still can take the same juice as nvidia 650+watts it needs to kick some gaming performance up. I guess the hotspots making it inefficient, some transistors maybe at that point start to conflict and corrupt the image with artifacts. Good video German boy
I am surprised that a memory OC was not done for this video XD...seems to be a bit of waste not to do a hybrid OC (gpu + mem OC) given the liquid cooling solution....it is the memory which affects the performance most... I wanted to see memory run at 3 ghz....it is also the part which gets hottest limiting OC potential in air-cooled builds.
I was wondering if there was a different spot you also connected the wires to the I2c bus. I purchased an EVC2se and it doesn't seem to show up in the software. I soldered the same three wires to where you soldered and can't seem to get it to connect or show up in the software. any advice would be appreciated. Thank you and have a great day.
Even German kitties appreciate keeping to a well planned schedule.
German cats are very efficiently just like Tiger and Panther and Leopard tank
@@stepbruv8780 I wouldn't compare them to your average nerds house cat.
Kinda weird having the cat in every video is he a zoofile?
I bet kitties also like the heat from the GPU. :)
@@chrisbullock6477 BRUH THOSE AIN'T YOUR AVERAGE NERDS HOUSE CAT. THOSE ARE REAL GIGACAT THAT CAN BLASTED YOUR ASS AND YA HOUSE.
Loving the 7900 XTX content. Your high hotspot temps might be limiting your boost clocks. My air cooled XFX Merc 310 managed 17300 score on 450-475 watts. If you can get the hotspot to below 90°C you might be able to get a much higher score.
The ridges on that backplate are no joke. It’s also so damn long it has good pass through on the heatsink despite the large pcb that nvidia ditched with ampere and Lovelace for better cooling. It also has good thermal interface material for the backplate.
Hi chosen one. I am about to water cool my merc 310 on air I get 2850mhz with 55% fan speed. What is your stable oc? Cause if i push my fans at 100% i can get 3000mhz +. Hope i can get same with water cooling at a normal noise levels.
@@aurelAli1919 You'll easily get whatever you can achieve with your fans at 100% if you have a properly-mounted cooler and a good radiator setup. Now, is it necessarily worth it to sit at 3100 MHz instead of say 2900-2950? You'll have to do some benchmarks to find out.
@@quintrapnell3605 Yeah, the backplate on the Merc 310 seems to be really good and contributes a good amount to the cooling.
Yeah I just got my XFX 2 days ago and the headroom is insane. Still playing around with it but am througouhly impressed with what they did.
I love it when you do this crazy stuff , it just proves to me how silly it is. With my 7900xtx MBA under a waterblock I can get 16100 gpu score whilst using under 400w. To gain 10% performance for a 50% increase in power is madness and not something I will ever be aspiring too.
LtMatt is on the leaderboard so many times because each entry is with a different card. He had the Merc , Red Devil and Nitro+ and kept the Sapphire card.
Actually, the only entry on there is with the Nitro. I also never had the Red Devil. Tried the Nitro, Merc, TUF and Aorus. Nitro was the best overall. TUF would be one of the best but the power limit is lower sadly.
@@TheMattB81 I just ordered a nitro too replace my pulse for the higher power target.
Even if you use identical hardware, it will still show individual runs on the leaderboard.
@@TheMattB81 The Nitro I have looks limited to 463W with two 8pin and one daisy chain. Is that the power limit with three single 8pin? I'm not assuming the gpu can tell. Managed to squeeze out 10043 on 8k superposition with the stock air cooler.
@@MasterSoda360 Yes, 467W is the max power limit, however it's typically shown as 463W by most software and on overlays. Not sure if you ever watched my videos on YT, but on my overlays you'll see it hitting the 463W frequently at 4K.
Have you tried watercooling and then overclocking your cats? Maybe you could achieve 1.3x jump height and 1.75x peak running speed boost if my calculations are accurate. Worth a try maybe
water cooling alone would probably enable her to achieve such level of performances ☺️
@@elonwong Potentially yes, but various breeds of cats react differently to watercooling so precise testing would be neat to use as a baseline for future comparison!
He wouldn't want to delid the cat.
@@Real_MisterSir I think roman's Cats under the product line "Norwegian Forest" and "Maine Coon", are both susceptible to performance gains under watercooled conditions 😋
increasing voltage applied to a cat is a key. But, you must be extremely cautios, its internal structure is not adapted to prolonged overload and can suddenly fail. Also, your own interface can be severely damaged in process of applying and especially after detaching voltage
I've had 3 XTX Tai-Chi's come through the shop and each one could hold 3200MHz GPU clock with just a +15% power bump. Really liking these XTX cards. Finally 3GHz GPU's.
Are you talking about a bump to the voltage? I'm new to overclocking. My xfx comed at 1150 stock but when I turn it down to 1050 it goes from 2800mhz to 3050.
@beeman4266 no, most likely talking about wattage, so a stock XTX consumes a max of 355W, so 15%+ power would be roughly 410W
came for the card stayed for the kitty
so cute
This is wild. I bought this card because of your praise. Cant wait to finish the build and try it out!
As for the 3dmark scores, you can select to view all scores or by leaderboard, which only shows the high score from each user.
You have multiple scores from same people because you have the search mode set to score explorer not leaderboard (drop down in the top left)
haha nice thanks!
AMD: ‘we could make a card as fast as the 4090 but we wanted power to be reasonable’
Roman: ‘hold my beer’
To be fair the xtx doesn’t have a fully enabled die but… still.
Kinda crazy
I’m not surprised AMD has always been the power hungry one.
@@ZackSNetwork RDNA 2 isn't more power hungry than than Ampere. Did you not mean that literally?
@@ZackSNetwork since when?
What do you mean about XTX not being fully enabled?
you are currently my hero, I'm getting an EVC immediately, a working XTX power mod is exactly what I've been waiting for since launch!
Re-calibrating the vrm controller still works on the 7000 -series! Nice! (sad that they took away mpt power and voltage increasing though)
Imagine how fast that would be with direct die heat transfer to bring down those 100c temps. Once the temp gets above 80c or so the voltage / frequency just scales horribly bad. Could be really fast!
I like how the "organized" ATX connector wires on the hetzner server completely block the airflow for the cpu cooler.
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Since this is a server, the fan likely more than compensate for this obstruction to airflow.
Data centres cool from front to back or back to front using delta fans it won't matter at all
They wouldn’t use CableMod cables in a server anyway. It’s just a demo unit. In reality it’s ketchup and mustard from a server power supply.
Best cat tech channel out there
Cat in the opening shot. This man knows how to hook a viewer.
Liquid metal on the die (correct precautions taken if course) should help tame those Hotspot temps. Did an OC run on Vega 64 a few days ago. Hit 500w power draw. Under chilled water GPU temp hit 37c and hotspot was only 50c. A good LM application will help bring down the Delta between HS and GPU temp.
Yeah, someone should tell Der8auer about this liquid metal stuff. I'm surprised he's never heard of it.
@@hellraserfleshlight 🤣🤣 Nice come back.
@@hellraserfleshlight He should use Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut LM. I hope he gets some. 🤣
It's not worth bricking a very expensive gpu for a 2 or 3 degree temperature difference.
@@luminatrixfanfiction 90 -> 50 is not 3 degrees lol
Came for the awesome hardware but stayed for the cats. The cat play time break had me cracking up.
This shows the potential of this card and reveals their plan to release an updated version mid cycle. I think we might see something more impressive than the typical Ti or -50 model.
I don't think we'll ever see a 4090 competitor this generation--AMD has been all about efficiency and they would have to push this architecture way into the inefficient end of the curve to achieve that sort of performance. But maybe we'll see some sort of update with at least a decent bump. Here's hoping!
Soon it'll be 800 watts to play 4k games hahaha
@@thicclink There are few leaks about 7950xtx and 7990xtx (which will be the 1st gpu with 3d cache).
Also a few leaks about gaming performance beating the 4090, but these are fakes probably
@@karserasl now 3d vcache could really bump up the efficiency and make a big difference. I'll be excited to see that!
@__karsl__ my 4090 is clocked at 3000mhz and never gets over 230 watts..
The best of two worlds, cats and gpus ❤ you're the best Roman!
Cats in the frame - +100% success rate of the video! =)
It is sad that the ability to use MPT was taken away with this gen. It was nice to be able to just click a few times and be running at a solid 350W on a 6900XT, with the ability to still turn it up 15% with the OEM tuning software.
with MPT i pulled 615watt from my RX 6900 XT Red Devil Ultimate with waterblok. Got to set a few nice records on ambient with that setup. When I found out that MPT was not possible this gen, it actually stopped me from getting a 7900 XTX.
Damn didn't know that, no wander people aren't using these with ln2. Not too mention 6000bseries was killing themselves at idle on ln2.
AMD as always proves that they are just a red Nvidia
I have an air cooled Powercolor Red Devil 7900XTX and with just a small overclock using LACT (I am on Ubuntu Linux) I see 3000Mhz and 420 watts+ power usage and amazingly the temps stay in a range where it could run like that all day long, fans get loud though. I am sure my Fractal Torrent case and all its airflow helps, but the card is amazing. Powercolor did a great job with it.
At 3200 MHZ, the 7900 XTX should be able to outperform and match the 4090 in lots of games. I am wondering if these clocks will be possible in the future with just driver updates because with the 6000 series, power consumption was significantly dropped with just driver updates.
No. To get to 3GHz a refresh or a new revision of the silicon will be required.
Not even at 4K raytracing it would still lose by significant amounts by the 4090.
@@PowellCat745 uhm hate to break it to you but my 7900 XTX does around 3350-3450MHz
(spoiler it doesn't beat the 4090 in TSe but it comes close)
@@counterassy yes yes good job, but are your frametimes better than with a good undervolt in your games. Get off the benchmark. I only notice about 2-5 fps increase from big OC, Your OC is much larger than what iǘe tested but still it seems that you can achieve more with a different method on 5nm TSMC. Good of you to say the 4090 still wins tho
Holy cow! Nice! I know it's not efficient but pushing the limits is so fun!
The list you showed on 3D Mark is not the hall of fame, but at the top left if you switch it to "Leaderboard" mode it will only show the best score from each user, instead of all of them.
It's impressive how much you could increase the speed of that card on a "normal" water cooling loop and tweaking the controller.
Really fun seeing this kind of stuff.
Also, the 3DMark leaderboards are an absolute mess because they list *all* of your results, not just your best with a given configuration. I swear half of the 4090 HOF is literally 2 dudes that did dozens of runs each.
You can choose to only show your best result and hide all the other runs. They just don't bother.
@@madb132 It should really default to that tbh.
You can switch it to "Leaderboard" at the top left and it shows only the best score from each user. Been using 3D Mark for years now, only just learned this a few months ago lol.
What a beast of a card! Its a shame its so rare, even more here in Brazil. Amazing work Mr. der8auer!
Dk if this could be further improved by going sub zero, but if possible I would love to see this in a video. Same with the 4090 to see how hard we can maximally push them 😂
not a good idea as gpus dont have an ihs like a cpu and the die could (more like would) crack going subzero
@@Kriss_gaming_hole This is false. Plenty of GPUs have been benched using liquid nitrogen with no such issues, for years now. On this channel, as well as Gamer's Nexus, and JayzTwoCents. All of the top GPU scores on 3dMark are using sub zero cooling, and these guys aren't killing their GPUs from it.
@@neurokinetik well color me surprised then
So... that 3x8 pin 180 adapter with power measurement .... where can we get our hands on it?
like for the kitty.
My 3090 Kingpin Hydro Copper with the 1KW Rebar bios pulls GOBS of power. I love it! It’s 20%+ faster than any 3090FE and just still godly powerful in 2023. What a great GPU it has been.
Just attach the meter probes to the cat paws and dangle the video card. Boom doing two things at once 😂
If I had to see you play with the cat in every video that would be just fine. No worries at all. love cats.
Cat play time is IMPERATIVE !!
Those are great cats right there!
Are we now measuring Videocards in numbers of Cats or Cats in numbers of video cards?
Great work! That power adapter that displays the draw.. is that something custom made by you? Or is it commercially available? Thank you.
This makes me wish there were an equivalent to 3090 K|NGP|N cards for AMD. The closest to that was the 6900XT sapphire toxic. RIP EVGA 😢
Wow that’s crazy! Can’t wait to hear about it on the Wan show Friday!
I wonder how the scores would go with refrigerated cooling, getting the temps back down.
Now I really want to see what this thing can do under LN2 with the mindset of throwing power to the wind (even if that means using a 1600W PSU solely just to power the GPU and turning off OCP)
Wish you could include the 6900xt Liquid Devil in these comparisons, see what us previous gen owners could expect. Thanks.
thats crazy! thanks for showing us what this can do. Any chance you can share the BIOS for my red devil 7900xtx to try this pleaseeee
Pretty incredible amount of headroom available on these cards. If you're gaming, it might even be faster the a 4090 as 3D mark is a synthetic workload and not something you'd encounter running Overwatch or Battlefield. Unfortunately didn't show the wattage at the end of the video, but it has to be much more acceptable then the 3D mark load. That's pretty crazy seeing as the 4080 and 4090 have no overclocking headroom and a 4090 is $600 more.
Now the red LED light makes it look like some metallic part glowing
that was a fun video..I don't care for OC vids, but tinkering and pushing is always fun.
Couple days ago I had to "repaste" my Asrock Aqua xtx, I used a kryosheet that I cut to size. Hotspot only hits 60s @ max draw, which is either 525w or 545w with Asrocks newest BIOS.
In my 7900xtx nitro plus at 465w I have an average of 15% more fps than stock model in cyberpunk native 4k clock is around 2900mhz. Gaming clock at 3350mhz is crazy. I would like to see a test on the amd platform with SAM on. Certainly the results would make a greater impression than those in 3d mark.
I got the same card. It can hit 3200 in games but it will crash. Stable enough to progress but pita too
@@quintrapnell3605 Depending on the game you have a different game clock. In modern warfare 2 you can have a stable clock at 3200mhz. For MW2 I have set 3300mhz@1081v this gives in-game clocks of 3100-3250mhz. But to achieve such clocks in cyberpunk is already a challenge.
I was able to reach 3.3gh peak clocks with a really good reference card, but it was both power and cooling limited on it, so it would hit those clocks in games then actually drop clockspeed by a lot so it would ultimately result in less performance. My current Tiachi will comfortably sit around 3.1ghz without issues while sucking down 465ish watts
I just can’t be bothered to tune for every game when it involves sitting through crashes that might take an hour to appear then reloading everything and doing it again. Maybe if I only played one game.
@@quintrapnell3605 Overclocking RDNA3 is not easy, if you don't have the patience and you have errors, then play with factory settings.
Wait. So you "accidentally" proved here, that 3 8 Pin pcie are enough for 600w+. I mean it was already clear beforehand, since the 12vEPS 8 Pin and the 8 Pin pcie are basically the same, with pcie having one more ground pin and one less 12v. So the pcie 8 pin can carry 300w (EPS12v) * 3/4 = 225w each. making the safe powerinput through 3 pcie 8 pin 675w. So 450w 4090s could get away with 2 PCIe 8 pins (and like 50w through the slot just to be safe) and higher end Models with 3.
WOW!!! Can't wait to see cards hit a base of 4ghz and higher in the future. 3ghz was already impressive, hitting 3.4ghz is... just unbelievable!
Thank you for a great video. I am looking in to push my 2070S further, and this i s a good inspi.
I have a PNY 2070 Super "mini", it have been amazing to push, running up 2230@700 with a msi bios flash.
Pushing 251 watt, but I know I got temp and power to push to 300W.
But too bad you didnt try do make a run on a bit greater cpu. Could have been a nice touch with a top 3;)
lmao, cats all like, NO VIDEO ONLY PLAY TIME! 🤣🥰
Now we need LN2
OMG my dog hears a kitty and goes in overdrive, he hates kittys, just by hearing one haha
I don't even care about GPUs anymore, I'm here just for Makita and shiek
This is what I'm talking about. This thing was way locked down
A few gaming benchmarks weren't possible? Would be interested to see the scaling of performance up there. I wouldn't have expected much, but oh well, still a great video and nice mod. Very interesting, thanks
Change the drop down from score explorer to leaderboard to list each person once. Top left hand corner the drop down is.
Yes the ultimate space heater
1:09, dude that cable orientation makes me feel like I'm being choked.
keep doing what you doing...holding amd feet over the fire of their gpu is meme that gonna be remember so well...thank you derbauer
If there's a cat in der8auer's video, I just have to hit the like button. It's basically illegal not to. (Gruesse, Chris from Content!)
hahaha there's a satan head on my video card ... totally rolling on my soft carpeted floor laughing !
Fully support more cat playtime moments!!!
that tool to mesure "on the fly" power consumption for gpu is awesome
What is that tool? I would really love to get one.
@@darealmaul 1st of all i think its one of der8auer personal tools he made to play with gpus ;) second, with my litle electro knowlage: 12v connectors are easly to get, pcb u can do on ur own, circuit i'd write in google "12v power monitor on the fly" since the one on the vid have high refresh rate, i'd say something decent
So, the RTX4090 is the fastest GPU on the market with good efficency for the perfomance.
“This is not even my final form”
I'm actually curious about the flipside of at least one of the comments to this video...
A lot of people just pick up whatever video card they want, put it in their system and run with it - especially not even watercooling it unless it comes that way. I'm curious how far you can push a card under those circumstances. Nowhere near as much, for sure, but I'm definitely curious!
Love your cat, good on your for making it a priority.👍
Hey man. I just got myself an 7900XT, but I'm using one splitter cable. Should I use two separate cables instead?
I would say yes but it's an XT and not the XTX so nowhere near as good of a card anyway so I mean probably not but it's upto you right? Why XT and not XTX though?
Yes. Especially if you don’t want coil whine. I’ve seen this question a lot lately.
Use separate cables whenever possible.
@@abritabroadinthephilippines The difference between the two was over 300 euros.
Yes, absolutely
The multiple results per person was because you had the 3Dmark results in Score Explorer mode and not Leaderboard mode.
Found myself liking the video as a knee-jerk response to watching the orange kitty existing.
I might need help.
Those temps are nutz at that power.
Me with my air cooled 7900XT 60c at 300w 😭
So 600W, without a 12VHPWR connector, just pure 8 pins? Hmm.
Seeing that you have an Corsair Power supply i would check the Amp current those can deliver on the 12V rails especially on the GPU Rails i have that Problem before and had to find out that Corsair PSUs can't deliver much in terms of Amp (only ~50A as far as i remember) i then switched to a Seasonic 1600W PSU with 75A for 20ms on those rails and my Problem was "mostly" gone.
Disclosure: i had damaged my Vega FE and had burned out a Computing Core under Air, and now, if the driver decide to use that Core (Core 0), cause a short with an Amp spike of something around 60A, The seasonic PSU can "mostly" power through but sometimes it is too long and triggers the protection. having re fit this damaged Card to water makes at least sure nothing else burned out.
Many PSU are kind of Weak on this specific Rail and i had to search specifically for a High Amp PCIe Rail PSU to overcome the Problem. 600Watts are definitely something a Corsair PCIe Rail struggle with Ampere wise.
Where to get that Power Meter?!
beautiful cats
Nice work, looks like LN2 is needed to control the temps.
The power protection on the PSU really doesn't make sense to me as far as it being 3 8-pins goes. I ran my 3090 Kingpin up to almost 700W draw on an eVGA P2 1200W PSU with the unlocked BIOS and never tripped anything in the PSU. That was on liquid as well, nothing special, just a dedicated 480x60mm radiator after the GPU to cool the liquid off and get that heat out.
Wow, I guess this is why my Sapphire Nitro+ melted one of my PSU pcie cables then.
I have since set the sapphire to silent mode so it doesnt boost so much. What I think was happening is me using an exploit on son of the forest, logging off and back on again so I could loot the ammo boxes again and again, it was in single player, im not that lame :D But each time I logged in again would require more juice from the card and was overloading the pcie cables
Seems like computers are going to need a 48 volt rail soon. Just like Tesla is doing with the Cybertruck, when you quadruple the voltage, you will quarter the current for the same amount of power. The copper conductors in wiring and connectors are what limit the current, while the insulation determines what voltage the wire is rated for. Plastic insulation can handle 240 volts like in household wiring, so 48 volts won't be a problem. The 8 pin connector is rated for 150 watts at 12 volts, so that means 12.5 amps. Now 12.5 amps in a 48 volt system would be 600 watts per 8 pin connector. With that said, power supply and board manufacturers would have to cooperate, and all the components that handle power would have to be rated for 48 volts. However, a 48 volt mosfet would handle 12 volts without a problem, so new boards could easily be backwards compatible with 12 volt systems.
48V cables would be harder to bend, though, as the insulation has to be thicker.
@@spankeyfish I just grabbed a dell power supply and the yellow 5 volt wire has 300v printed on it. Most manufacturers use off the shelf components, they don't make their own wire that just barely meet the requirements. Off the shelf wiring typically has a rating in the hundreds of volts, it's only when you get close to a thousand volts do you have to worry about voltage leaking or dielectric breakdown. Often high voltage stuff primarily relies on distance or routing the wire away from ground or sensitive stuff because they can't rely 100% on the insulation. Regardless 48 volts is nowhere near high voltage.
You also have the small problem that a not insignificant number of users are on 120v and 1500W per spur. I still wonder why more "enthusiast" American PC owners aren't using the 240v bridged phase mode that a lot of US houses can have for high power applications.
At the same time though, I also think burning 700 watts just on a toy GPU to run Minecraft at 3 billion frames per second is moderately insane, and GPU manufacturers really need to release something like a "XTE" or "TE" or whatever version of their next gen cards, which basically perform like previous gen but with vastly less power consumption.
Wouldn't change anything really since gpu still works at 1V
@@riba2233 The GPU gets that 1V from a stepped-down supply on the card, hence all those honking great VRMs. The card itself is fed from 12V, which itself is stepped down from either 120 or 240v mains. Actually running a PC from 240v is more efficient than 120v, and I do have to wonder if stepping from 24 or 48v would be more efficient than 12v when stepping down to the 1V GPU voltage.
If it means less heat being created by the VRMs, maybe it's an option, though it would also mean everyone having to buy new $200-$500 power supplies to deliver the new voltage, because what nutcase is going to spend high end toy GPU prices, then cheap out with some Explodium-brand power supply?
You have a cute tiger there
A lot of 3DMark benchmarks have an interactive mode if you want to leave it going indefinitely.
fishy fishy fish for the dishy dishy dish~
I was briefly in the top 100 with my air cooled merc 7900 xtx on a 750w psu. Stable on 3dmark but I think power was spiking too high in the early access games I play.
I have ordered the water block and will be switching to a bigger psu.
Always buy a 1000w+ psu ..That's one part you can re-use in future builds
@@Charlie-zj3hw I have several but they were used in my mining rigs. The 750 was plenty for the daily rig until now and it's still fine with a mild oc. I've used it since the 1080 ti was new.
Holy s*** my RX 7900 XTX was pulling 550w and I thought that was a lot.
That power read is a cool gadget, did you buy it or make it?
Fuck Efficiency We want Power
Still waiting for that 3x8pin wireview to become available
Good to see that AMD still can take the same juice as nvidia 650+watts it needs to kick some gaming performance up. I guess the hotspots making it inefficient, some transistors maybe at that point start to conflict and corrupt the image with artifacts. Good video German boy
I am surprised that a memory OC was not done for this video XD...seems to be a bit of waste not to do a hybrid OC (gpu + mem OC) given the liquid cooling solution....it is the memory which affects the performance most... I wanted to see memory run at 3 ghz....it is also the part which gets hottest limiting OC potential in air-cooled builds.
Soldering 12v wires on plate! :)
Would have liked to see some game benchmarks at these clock speeds though.
It is amazing how far you can push the card without an OC until you hit a voltage wall.
That is like make smooth BBQ!
Nakitas fur looks so soft ❤❤
I was wondering if there was a different spot you also connected the wires to the I2c bus. I purchased an EVC2se and it doesn't seem to show up in the software. I soldered the same three wires to where you soldered and can't seem to get it to connect or show up in the software. any advice would be appreciated. Thank you and have a great day.
As Always , Outstanding Content. Thank you for your channel and your endless hours of Testing the Limits .
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