How to Remove Turf / Grass

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  • Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024

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  • @aranjarvis4533
    @aranjarvis4533 Месяц назад +1

    Fantastic!
    I started removing some grass up our new allotment the weekend by digging under it with a spade for about an hour and got a lot less done than I’d hope.
    Seeing this has given me a new burst of energy to get back to it the weekend 😊

  • @budte
    @budte 3 года назад +10

    For all its faults, when youtube is useful, it's very useful. Just spent time knocking myself out trying to lift it with a spade and thought 'surely there's a better way'. And there is. Many thanks.

  • @alexc6414
    @alexc6414 5 лет назад +17

    I like how positive your videos are, even when things don't go as expected.

  • @tammyjones7247
    @tammyjones7247 4 года назад +2

    I wanted to do some shaping on my lawn, add curves etc and for a couple of days I have struggled as it's hard work, then today I went on google to find out if there was a simpler way of doing it and I found your video and watched it right through...had a cuppa then went to try out the final curve as your instructions and low and behold I did it in half the time...I'm 76 and didn't get too tired. Your a wizard , thank you. ..Helen

  • @andywallace8355
    @andywallace8355 3 года назад +6

    Used your technique today and removed around 10sqm of sod in around an hour without any aches and pains. Thanks for the tips 👍

  • @2011Rodders
    @2011Rodders 4 года назад +14

    This is genius. I am doing my 80% weeds lawn in the next week or so. This will save me hiring a turf cutter. I live in Leeds and we too are blessed with clay soil. Cheers for the tip.

  • @David-xu3yk
    @David-xu3yk 5 лет назад +44

    I didnt know about the fork technique to loosen it off! You learn something new every day. #alwayslearning

  • @Ahmad-rc6vu
    @Ahmad-rc6vu Месяц назад

    Hi, I just wanted to say a massive thank you for teaching me this! I recently did it using your method and it was so so easy! I was trying it with a shove before and it was an absolute backbreaker! I did my entire 40 sqm of lawn using your method. Can't thank you enough!

  • @davepov
    @davepov 3 месяца назад +4

    Best turf removal video I've seen and I've look at a lot! Cheers.

  • @BadHorsie1
    @BadHorsie1 2 года назад +2

    I'm gonna use this level out the garden which is currently uneven and on an incline. Dig the turf up, keep to one side, remove soil to level the ground and relay the turf. 👍🏻

  • @hopeforthefuture8680
    @hopeforthefuture8680 4 года назад +1

    Yes it’s a spring job but we do it anyway. Did mine all by hand trowel and a hand saw and hands. 6 hours, 48 sq feet. Sat on my bum on a cushion so I didn’t have to bend over. Great job. Looks beautiful!

  • @Dragonited
    @Dragonited 5 лет назад +5

    Have a small tip or two that helped me when I opened up an area for growing potatoes, carrots, onions, parsnips and beetroots and might make similar jobs a bit easier in the future. Instead of using the garden fork you can use a cheap isolation knife and cut under the grass and then remove it. You can also use a small garden cultivator instead of the small spade to remove the soil from underneath the grass.

  • @pipkinstler4731
    @pipkinstler4731 3 года назад +14

    glad I watched this - just spent an hour of back breaking work digging up turf with just the spade -

  • @evamills6380
    @evamills6380 4 года назад

    I kept using a narrow shovel to remove sod, and then pushed my whole back in it to get the shovel under the sod to loosen it. I hated the job so much that I pushed a project where I have to dig a trench for a new sprinkler line out now the third year in a row. After having watched your video I almost can't wait to go out there tomorrow and try your fork trick!😃 This is genius! Thank you so much!!♥️

  • @catherineflahr6160
    @catherineflahr6160 4 года назад +9

    Great video, thank you!!! I have been edging and digging out very dry sod with a pointed spade. I've always wondered 'why a fork?' (growing up on a farm a fork was used to clean out gutters and throw hay). Now, thanks to you and this video, life is much easier. Also, I have been watering for a few hours the area of sod I intend to remove which changes the cement-like sod to a less back breaking task.

  • @mjsmummy1
    @mjsmummy1 3 года назад +3

    Was just about to lift some turf in my front garden - SO glad I watched this video first! Now I know what to do, I don't feel so phased by it. Thanks for a great instructional video!

  • @sarahchappellmusic
    @sarahchappellmusic 3 года назад +4

    I went straight outside and tried this! Absolutely brilliant! Thank you. We have terrible lumpy grass. Just showed the husband we are on the rest tomorrow 🙌

  • @saraha178
    @saraha178 4 года назад +4

    Gotta say a big thank you, just had to lift 55sqm and this was a breeze :) will deffo pass along to anyone needing to remove turf.
    Thanks

    • @lovebeinnatural
      @lovebeinnatural 4 года назад

      I am looking for easy ways to do this. My whole yard is weeds. It was unkept before moving in.

    • @saraha178
      @saraha178 4 года назад

      Weeds it might not work as my weeds pulled through the turf and remained in the ground so they d need digging up after but lifts turf great and just leaves you with the tuft of weed to tend to after.
      Good luck with yours :)

  • @jazzman1626
    @jazzman1626 2 года назад

    Thanks so much for these tips. I have my whole back garden of weed-filled turf to remove. I tried before and only used the fork to make it easier to cut a line using the spade. I then did the back breaking side jabbing with the spade to cut through the roots under the sod to lift it. Loosening the sod using the fork is a far easier way. Duh, why didn’t I think of that?😂😂. I never heard of making a turf pile. I have a wee corner of the garden I could make one. Then when the pile turns to soil, it goes back in the garden. Excellent!

  • @tonyduggan1620
    @tonyduggan1620 Год назад +4

    Really helpful, especially to a beginer gardener like me! Thank you for taking the time to share.

  • @Madrigall74
    @Madrigall74 2 года назад +3

    Thank you SO much. Such a helpful video! You made me feel better mentioning how hard this is and about encountering rocks etc. But most importantly, I've been doing this for days and it's been killing me, and you gave me the tip I needed... the fork! Oh my gosh I never thought of that. I'm going to get a pitch fork immediately, your way looks so much better. Thanks so much for this video.

  • @automaticfanatic6206
    @automaticfanatic6206 10 месяцев назад

    I was just outside with my spade and tried to cut in sideways, and said to myself, “Nope this isn’t going to work; there has to be another way.” Sure enough, I just found your video! I am now encouraged again 😊

  • @mattknight533
    @mattknight533 4 года назад +7

    That is exactly what I was looking for. Plus I have these tools in my shed. Happy days.

  • @ymg200
    @ymg200 2 года назад

    Thank you! This is the best video that I've seen on how to remove the turf. I am planning to build the drywell in the backyard, so I'll need to put the turf back once the drywell is comolete.

  • @SRCReptiles
    @SRCReptiles 8 месяцев назад

    Thanks for this! I have a whole back yard i want to eventually remove the grass and plant native wildflowers and plants and have a pond for the wildlife and bugs, so this is so helpful!

  • @growgrowing
    @growgrowing 2 года назад

    Thank you doing it in chunks then the fork so much easier. I had tried hooching with spade you're right back breaking.

  • @craigslitzer4857
    @craigslitzer4857 4 года назад +2

    Finally found a tutorial covering this topic that deals with a very heavy soil like mine. Thank you!

  • @julienicholls6280
    @julienicholls6280 3 года назад +3

    I've been using my spade.... the fork looks so much easier, thank you

  • @dollydiddums7889
    @dollydiddums7889 2 года назад

    I'm so glad you mentioned turf cutter , it shortened my comment 😅
    Fair play doing it by hand it's not easy . Use a sharp long kitchen knife to cut into strips , then roll them back and undercut at soul level it's easier 👌
    Agreed a shovel is punishment

  • @joannalum88
    @joannalum88 Год назад +1

    Just searched for how to lift turf and didn't think I'd find a video by a fellow geordie! Great vid, will defo be using this for my garden

    • @daniellakarenina8634
      @daniellakarenina8634 3 месяца назад

      @@joannalum88 me too! I will try my best DIY my garden 😮‍💨😅

  • @ethelmacrory7826
    @ethelmacrory7826 2 года назад

    Subscribed.Exactly the info I needed before removing turf from a small garden patch.If the soil is the same as the small strip of garden which is light and airy, then the task might be a little easier.Very useful vidieo. Thank you for explaining it so well.

  • @michaelfoos9395
    @michaelfoos9395 3 года назад +1

    I've watched a few videos on removing turf, as we're planning a garden. Must say, this is one of the best because of the extra ideas not mentioned in other videos. Thanks!

  • @migsvensurfing6310
    @migsvensurfing6310 2 года назад

    Nice work.
    I have used an old cementmixer in wich I drilled some holes to seperate the earth and grass, pieces of plastic, sticks smaller stones etc.

  • @zedman442
    @zedman442 5 лет назад +4

    Nice tip. Ive used a long serrated knife to cut through strips underneath before

  • @warlikelaughter6230
    @warlikelaughter6230 3 года назад +1

    Looks like the third videos the charm, thanks now i will tackle my yard.

  • @NumfarUK
    @NumfarUK 3 года назад

    Amazing! I’d already cut it into sections but using a fork to loosen it made it so easy!

  • @buzzgallagher
    @buzzgallagher 5 лет назад +2

    I actually use the sod cut-outs to patch bad areas. The final results looks fantastic.

  • @nickmackeson-smith9876
    @nickmackeson-smith9876 2 года назад

    You legend. Thanks so much - tried this today and it saved me hours and so much effort. Cheers

  • @williamshaw667
    @williamshaw667 3 года назад +1

    Great video looks a lot easier than the other videos using just a spade.

  • @cheezetoasty3573
    @cheezetoasty3573 5 месяцев назад

    Thanks for this video. We have been contemplating lifting our front and back lawn which grows like wild fire and the thought filled us with dread as it looks hard work. We'll give this a bash. New subscriber. 😊

  • @ruthmoore1448
    @ruthmoore1448 3 года назад

    Your system for removing grass sod looks the best, which I will be testing. Thanks!

  • @cricalix
    @cricalix 5 лет назад +1

    That edging iron is pure luxury. When I was a lad, we used machetes to do turf work. You got very accurate with a machete very quickly to do straight lines..

    • @GosforthHandyman
      @GosforthHandyman  5 лет назад

      Didn't know machetes got used!

    • @cricalix
      @cricalix 5 лет назад

      @@GosforthHandyman - small Caribbean country. Machetes and cutlasses are common tools for everything from chopping bush to chopping turf to chopping people.

  • @aepickard7907
    @aepickard7907 4 года назад

    Thank you for your posting- very helpful. The fork technique is better than a spade but when there are a myriad of small tree roots in the turf it is still difficult

  • @mandyleeson1
    @mandyleeson1 5 лет назад +1

    Great helpful tip, which I never knew, but also really like the music choices and the way it faded in and out when it needed to.

  • @retroyoungmetro8989
    @retroyoungmetro8989 3 года назад

    Doing my first job ever and all I can say is thanks

  • @sydsnott5042
    @sydsnott5042 3 года назад

    What en excellent video. I've been wondering how to dig up the small lawn I have and this video has answered me superbly. Thanks bud 👍

  • @ChochiLuko
    @ChochiLuko 2 года назад +1

    It's good to see how smoother and less back breaking, not to mention enjoyable, a job can be when you try to work efficiently and apply a set of methods that work consistently through out the job.
    I would try to tank the turf out with a flat shovel after cutting it rather than lifting it with a fork first.
    Doing it the way that I did it was a lot of tiring work.

  • @tro8191
    @tro8191 Год назад

    Thanks for the video. I’ll be doing something similar and have been wondering the best way to go about it.

  • @croffam
    @croffam 3 года назад

    Was just struggling with a spade when I googled for an easier technique. Came across your video for using a fork. Game Changer...thanks

  • @HowStrange
    @HowStrange 5 лет назад +2

    My tip is to use a mattock. Looks a bit like a pick axe but with horizontal blade to cut the turf. Just used one to cut 40 sq/m for a patio, and made the job dead easy. Definitely don't use a spade though!

    • @07XTX
      @07XTX 5 лет назад +2

      This gets my vote - did the same job in the same way myself and very easy

    • @timothyarnold777
      @timothyarnold777 4 года назад

      Get's my vote too. Have just removed 25 sq/m of turf with a mattock. Cultivated the soil with a mantis and rake, then re-seeded the lawn. Didn't once use a fork or a spade.

  • @negotiableaffections
    @negotiableaffections 5 лет назад +7

    Thats never going to be an easy task, whatever you do, but that fork technique is brilliant. In all my days I've never seen that tip before [if only I had]. Cheers Andy

    • @GosforthHandyman
      @GosforthHandyman  5 лет назад +1

      Cheers - yeah it's way easier than the spade (having used the spade for half of it) 😂👍

  • @TonyCarnell
    @TonyCarnell 5 лет назад +3

    Great random video that one 👍 I must admit I've always used the spade to dig up the turfs. Must try the fork technique instead, looks far easier 😊 A note of caution though, not so much for yourself Andy, but for other people reading this. Sometimes there may be covenants on strips of land bordering a driveway or highway, that mean they aren't actually owned by the homeowner but are retained by the city or county council because submerged utilities could be routed through them. If in doubt always refer to your deeds, they'll be highlighted on them.

    • @GosforthHandyman
      @GosforthHandyman  5 лет назад +1

      Indeed! Wise words! 👍

    • @pat4005
      @pat4005 3 года назад

      Yes, that is true. Our town has that between where backyards meet so a homeowner is at risk of having to remove anything (like a fence), if the city has to get at the area.
      According to our city, a fence or structure is supposed to be 6 feet back from the property line anyway.
      I think it's rude of an adjoining backyard neighbor putting up a fence right on the property line anyway if you're supposed to be 6 feet back.
      It leaves us with a narrow area because of their 6 foot tall stockade fence running along the length property line, insread of us both having a green area between the backyards.

  • @michaelbright9162
    @michaelbright9162 5 лет назад +1

    I have never heard of lifting turf with a fork before. Good idea. To improve the soil how about double digging it with some compost incorporated before planting.

  • @sdeee3842
    @sdeee3842 3 года назад

    and to think I was going to hire a tool for this I for once have everything you mentioned in the beginning lol - thanks truly grateful! plus a fab workout!

  • @nlml001
    @nlml001 5 месяцев назад

    Loved this! If you weren't planning to plant immediately, would it be easier to remove the soil under the sod if you turn the sod over and leave it, say, overnight, or until it dries. I have a big patch to do, so I need to make this project as easy as possible. Thanks!

  • @gav2759
    @gav2759 5 лет назад +48

    Still seems like a lot of graft. We bought a beagle, he digs up the turf with no difficulty. Just not getting the message through when he should stop!

    • @mickytumshie266
      @mickytumshie266 2 года назад

      From two years on……. Is your Beagle still digging up your turf?

    • @gav2759
      @gav2759 2 года назад +3

      @@mickytumshie266 Only occasionally. His enthusiasm for gardening was quite ephemeral...like my own.

    • @mickytumshie266
      @mickytumshie266 2 года назад

      @@gav2759 Loved your quiet and pleasant use of ‘ephemeral ‘ in a grammatically correct manner. Why use such a word , especially on this day? If you say your gardening was ephēmeros, then you and the Beagle where in the garden industrially for one day. Lol

    • @gav2759
      @gav2759 2 года назад

      @@mickytumshie266 thanks, but any credit is due to Mrs McFarlane, for some of the pearls she cast before the swine of 2b might have taken hold, in spite of us.

    • @biggdaddybck1135
      @biggdaddybck1135 Год назад

      I know how you feel dude, i have a Honey badger as a family pet, great with the kids but likes a dig.

  • @lovelyirish6624
    @lovelyirish6624 3 года назад

    Well.......don't I 🤷 wish I'd watched this video before going full steam ahead digging up my turf with my spade! 🙄😔🤭🤔 this was an excellent helpful video....thank you.....I've learnt my lesson.
    💚🍀 From an Irish girl living in Australia 💚🍀

  • @tactme4390
    @tactme4390 3 года назад

    Brilliant video best one I have seen... Just wish I had seen this before I started digging up my grass... Oh well still got a bit more to do so will defo be doing it this way... Well done and thanks for sharing.. 😊👍🏽

  • @donpazer
    @donpazer 2 года назад

    I have foun that when you try to put clumps or pieces of the soil from the bottom of the piece of turf some small roots inevitably go back in to the area and grass starts to grow again by the next season.

  • @AC_Milan1899
    @AC_Milan1899 9 месяцев назад +1

    I use a circular blade attachment on my trimmer. Cuts through in seconds.

  • @Buflonob
    @Buflonob Год назад

    i never knew to use the half moon, or to use the fork like that, great tips, will be doing stuff with that info soon - thanks

  • @dittosawr
    @dittosawr 8 месяцев назад

    so helpful thank you!!! i was today years old when i learned about the garden fork!!!

  • @julie223783
    @julie223783 3 года назад

    I am off to b and @ to get that slice thing xxx thanks. We have just lifted grass with a spade and it was a nightmare.

  • @robthewaywardwoodworker9956
    @robthewaywardwoodworker9956 5 лет назад +4

    Timely! Thanks for that. Been fighting with a shovel. Good idea on the fork.

  • @Songbayteam
    @Songbayteam 4 года назад

    Many thanks- fab video- you’ve inspired me to have a go at removing our old turf!

  • @mdmnyc41
    @mdmnyc41 4 года назад +2

    You’ve inspired me with your excellent advice plus I love the music.

  • @LucianoLeiteBittencourt
    @LucianoLeiteBittencourt 2 года назад

    I'm going to do something similar this year. This is the type of information that I was looking for. Thank you very much for this great video!

  • @elainearchibald9020
    @elainearchibald9020 4 года назад +1

    Awesome job! Thanks for the tips!! I will be doing something similar next year.

  • @0Panzerjunkie0
    @0Panzerjunkie0 4 года назад

    Brilliant video I'm getting ready to do a mid size lawn..
    an other good tip is the check with your friends and see if any of there kids having to work to pay off something they broke you can get affordable help that way🤣

  • @pronoun_dilemma
    @pronoun_dilemma 4 года назад

    Great video. I'm doing this in the next few days so this is a big help. Thanks.

  • @johnfithian-franks8276
    @johnfithian-franks8276 5 лет назад +1

    Hi Andy, I live just down the road to you in Eaglescliffe (Teesside) and the soil here is pure clay as well. I don't know what we did wrong to deserve soil like this but those sods will still weigh a ton even when you have got as much soil as possible off. You must have some brave plants to try and grow there.

    • @GosforthHandyman
      @GosforthHandyman  5 лет назад

      The plants are hard as nails! 😂 Yeah, it takes a lot of compost etc. to eventually get the soil a bit more usable. 👍👊

  • @SirBenJamin_
    @SirBenJamin_ 5 лет назад +33

    Any advice on what to do with the bones? ... it's surprising just how much a human skull weighs.

    • @GosforthHandyman
      @GosforthHandyman  5 лет назад +7

      I 'hearted' this yesterday and I swear RUclips unhearted it by itself! Hmmm... 😮😮😂

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      @KevinCruz-sy9iv 4 года назад

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    • @Thevoiceofreason84
      @Thevoiceofreason84 3 года назад +1

      Write to rose west 👍

    • @JacobVahrSvenningsen
      @JacobVahrSvenningsen 6 месяцев назад

      I applaud your creative mindset there. Come to mind if leave the sods upside down a while to evaporate 200gram of water from each. In the end youll carry away 200kg less

  • @andy-jac
    @andy-jac 5 лет назад +2

    LOL. In Dallas, our Bermuda grass roots go down 1.2+ meters to seek water. We have to saturate the area with Roundup to kill everything to the root endings, and then take top off. However, "nature hates a vacuum," so adjacent Bermuda roots detect water from the cleared area and invade back the space with a vengeance. We have to do raised flower beds or fight a never ending Bermuda grass battle.

    • @GosforthHandyman
      @GosforthHandyman  5 лет назад

      Oh wow!! I'll think myself lucky!! Interesting though! 😂😮👊

    • @Dragonited
      @Dragonited 5 лет назад +2

      If you're not in a hurry and for small areas you can cover the area with a tarp for 2-3 years and then most things will be dead after that. Sure you will still have to put up a barrier around the area to hinder the grass to get back into the cleared area. That usually works for even the most persistent weeds that can otherwise take over your whole garden if you're not keeping it under control. It might be a bit more environmentally friendly way to do it since Roundup is not very healthy both for the people that apply it and for bees.

  • @feistyflipflop4567
    @feistyflipflop4567 2 месяца назад

    This video just saved my life! TY

  • @richardwestwood1812
    @richardwestwood1812 4 года назад

    I used a riddle to get all large stones and clumps of dirt out its back breaking but worth it imo.

  • @Zanthorr
    @Zanthorr 3 года назад

    Such a lovely little plot

  • @jonjo220
    @jonjo220 4 года назад

    Great tips. We'll use them here today. Thanks

  • @alanjones3873
    @alanjones3873 5 лет назад

    Brilliant new idea. However what you show as a spade we call a shovel. A spade is strait for cutting and is strong edged. A shovel has sides for containing as you lift and is not designed for cutting. A good ‘spade’ will cut turf no problem but your fork looks easier on the back!

    • @GosforthHandyman
      @GosforthHandyman  5 лет назад

      That's defo a spade - doesn't have sides. 😂👍

  • @chrisj2848
    @chrisj2848 5 лет назад +1

    Thats a great trick! Ill have to remember this one! Thanks for sharing!

  • @smithy1011
    @smithy1011 4 года назад

    using a mattock the other day the ground without any of that lifting was just feeling back so easily, was tiring work and in bits now
    wondering how to do my acre field now is the scary thing

  • @quinkydinkend
    @quinkydinkend Год назад

    Great video!! Thankyou!
    Where do you take your turf clumps to get composted? Do you compost it yourself? Cheers

  • @timange124
    @timange124 4 года назад +1

    The one time having shallow grass roots is beneficial! Really like the fork tip. I once removed about 5’x15’ and took half a day. Would’ve been much faster if I didn’t just try to dig out huge clumps.

  • @eppityrrell8236
    @eppityrrell8236 3 года назад

    Brilliant saved me using a spade

  • @irasthel638
    @irasthel638 Год назад

    This was very informative. Thank you so much.

  • @ypharm1
    @ypharm1 3 года назад

    Thanks, you made it really easy to follow.

  • @321micks123
    @321micks123 2 месяца назад

    I like to save the grassy sod and play "populous" with the hedgerow.

  • @Scientists16
    @Scientists16 2 года назад

    I have someone use an old beater sawz all and cut sections out as well. I guess that’s an option but i cannot say for sure how good it would be for your tool after all that? I’m going to try because I have a Milwaukee about 20 years old and I’m needing a new one. Will put it to rest making my 30x30 pad

  • @davegower123
    @davegower123 5 лет назад

    Random is good! Beautiful change! Well done!

  • @Terimaakasaakinakalol
    @Terimaakasaakinakalol 3 года назад

    Nice vid. Very informative. I will try this

  • @craftbrewer5401
    @craftbrewer5401 3 года назад

    Thanks for that. Didn’t know that fork technic

  • @jbw9999
    @jbw9999 7 месяцев назад

    Will the grass still grow with this method? I have a low spot and want to add a couple inches of dirt under it and put the grass back.

  • @KeithMinnion
    @KeithMinnion 5 лет назад +4

    If you run into Neolithic or Roman, you'll need to call Tony Robinson and the Time Team in... ;)

  • @lewisbrown51
    @lewisbrown51 3 года назад

    Another really useful video... thank you!

  • @theluckypetals3596
    @theluckypetals3596 2 года назад

    What was the gravel/sandy material under the compost dirt? I mighta missed that info I didn't hear :3

  • @PGSL-r5n
    @PGSL-r5n 4 года назад

    HSS Hire charges £105 to hire a turf cutter for the day, I won't be needing them. I will revisit site tomorrow and use your technique of removing old sod

  • @ikillprettythingz7947
    @ikillprettythingz7947 3 года назад

    It's really back breaking work. I'm still sore from 2 days ago. I have so many rocks and stones if I were to rent a machine I'm afraid it'll break it 🤗😅

  • @markreid1162
    @markreid1162 5 лет назад

    Hi Andy I love your videos they are very interesting and informative. Was looking for some advice I want to get a saw that I can cut sheets down on but don't know weather to get a track saw or table saw. Was also wondering if a track saw is able to do small rips on wood like a table saw would.
    Mark

  • @joychip5994
    @joychip5994 5 лет назад +1

    Looks a hard long job , great tips

  • @BarbaraBerry_unscripted
    @BarbaraBerry_unscripted 2 года назад

    I love this so much! Very helpful! ❤

  • @MrBishbashbosh2012
    @MrBishbashbosh2012 5 лет назад

    I liked it, different. Good trick using the fork.