@@BellesView And I would love to see an analysis on popular male characters who fit that trop like Barney from How I Met Your Mother or Jeff from Community
I'm really accident prone and have a poor sense of balance so it doesn't really matter how carefully I am... wherever I go I'm bound to get hurt. That's why I became an agoraphobic(the pandemic might have helped me normalize that).
The only problem with this trope is that they often have a handsome actor to show this story in order to have audiences sympathize with the killer (beauty equals goodness or wanting them to have redemption) cause if they had an average, overweight or unattractive actor, like most real life serial killers, audiences would be less reluctant to accept a sympathetic portrayal of a serial killer with heinous crimes and abusing victims if they look "ugly" as oppose to "attractive".
That's fair (as it attracts a larger audience), however another way to look at it is that, even good-looking people can be wicked (looks can be deceiving)
I think the reason people are fascinated by serial killers is because they want to know how they got that way. Everyone loves a villain with a tragic backstory because no one wants to believe that a human being can be pure evil. Well, they *can.*
And what makes them more compelling is that they’re real. They’re human beings like us. Like how could people like me turn into such cold blooded killers. They’re terrifying and intriguing.
Some of them have issues but some just do it because they can get away with it. It’s not that deep. And society gives them notoriety for it. Now they are somebody.
Me too, protagonists tend to be excused for cheating, but if their partner cheats on them, they're completely villainised. A prime example would be in any Nicholas Sparks story, namely "The Notebook."
The picture of cheating I was most attached to is Diana in The Crown where it's suggested that it's an unhealthy coping mechanism like self-harm, drinking, overeating, smoking
Please do the "Bully picking on the Gay Kid turns out to have a crush on them, and they end up together" trope. Both "Glee" and "Sex Education" covered it, and the bully seemed to be TOO easily forgiven in both cases.
This trope also happens in heterosexual relationships as well and heavily affects how much abuse women and marginalized groups, especially POC will take from their abusers. When I was growing up, I was bullied by a lot of boys and I was always told that they just liked me or had crushes on me and instead of feeling empowered, I just felt myself breaking down. I feel like that trope would be a good fit with the “lovable bigot” who has truly horrific beliefs, but is always forgiven at the end of the day and has a “heart of gold”.
Amazing take! Really need an analysis about the "asshole genius", characters who are brilliantly smart so they're excused for being rude to the people around them. For example, Dr. House, Sherlock, Rick, etc
Love this video! In light of the recent anti-Asian crimes in the US could you make a video about how the portrayal of Asian women in films (the fetishization and objectification) harms them in real life?
Do you want to date me? Then I have to shatter your dreams: I am in a relationship with TWO women! They are also loyal fans of me, YT Megastar AxxL! Please don't cry, dear jess
@@seabreeze4559 Not surprising. When I was studying in Korea, I talked with a bilingual female Korean student who talked about this guy she dated when she studied abroad in the US. Basically he was super creepy, rapey, and fetishized her Asianess a lot. For instance when she wanted him to take things a little slower when they were getting physical, he said something along the lines of how he liked her reaction (which was her being surprised and I'm guessing super uncomfortable, not really willing or consenting)
Worst thing I see is going on tumblr or Instagram or tiktok and seeing preteen and teen girls profess their love and sexual attraction to the Columbine shooters, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and many other dangerous men. A few years ago on tumblr on the anniversary of the Columbine massacre an alarming amount of girls on tumblr were talking about their fantasies of doing what those boys did or going to school and pretend shooting their classmates and when I called out the behavior in less than an hour I had dozens of girls threatening me and calling me a monster for judging the shooters.
I did NOT feel safer around Hannibal Lecter than the others. The others are so chaotic that they can't escape. Hannibal is watching and working out every advantage in a way that I as the viewer could never hope to keep up with.
Yes, it helps that Penn Badgley is a charismatic actor, and Joe justifies his actions to the audience, although Penn acknowledges that some viewers tend to romanticise Joe because of this.
I think also with You as a book and a show is that it all is a horror parody of romantic films and stories, showcasing just how shallow and disturbing iconic romantic stories really are.
The fact the two of my favorite comedians, Bill Hader and John Mulaney, are both in a video about serial killers says a lot about me, them and how the three of us must absolutely talk about serial killer shows in a coffee shop somewhere in paradise land *sigh*
anthony hopkins' lecter was somehow made to fit in really well with the world of silence of the lambs, with the police academy, the suburbia, buffalo bill's underground lair, but you take him out of that world and put him in between other clips and he just seems so weird, like a snake with deadly venom, but also with intelligence and charm.
@Sigurd Shvedov it's sad but he does kill Carlos in Hannibal (1999 novel and 2001 film) who's just a lackey really, a conman-hitman hired by a corrupt cop who doesn't have his back (at all), and his femoral artery gets slashed when he tries to pickpocket Hannibal Lecter for his fingerprints. Umm on the other hand we have a list of other victims that we get onscreen that are really hateable: said corrupt cop, willing to let Carlos die just to keep his hunt for Hannibal Lecter hushed up. Krendler, a misogynistic boss who's been trashing Clarice Starling's career for the 7 years from during Silence to the end of Hannibal, where his brains get sauteed and eaten. Chilton, who was a worm anyway I guess. Miggs. Actually there's a lot of collateral from Hannibal's escapes. 5 during his escape in Silence, those were just buddy cop police officers, I think. Their only sin is that they underestimated Lecter, and paid for it, but they were alright. Also during the escape at the end of Hannibal, he does kill Mason Verger, and some other guys in the hitman group hired by Mason Verger. Also I think in Hannibal Rising, young Hannibal eats the scavengers who cannibalised his sister. I haven't read that one, and I don't think I will...
@@gamehero6816 yeah PARTLY and I'm guessing with or without stigma surrounding mental illness it'd STILL be a not so pleasant experience either ways but I'd say my point would be well kinda of what I've just stated in this comment and I think being ignorant and being a total complete idiot are NOT necessarily the exact same thing and I'd say I'm the former since I'm a frigging human being plus I barely get out much:(sorta of a complaint but not necessarily whining):and as far as I'm aware human beings can never really know everything cuz maybe we wouldn't be human beings then...
@Me We exactly. Like yes Sarah Everard was an ordinary woman but thats the point. She was completely ordinary and had her whole life ahead of her and was so brutally murdered whilst sinply walking home. She deserves a movies about her life.
I wish they had brought up American Horror Story. "Hotel" featured a couple based on real ones (and cameos from real ones) and "1984" was literally all about this. It featured different serial killers and their motivations. As The Take pointed out, you never know who is behind the mask.
Interesting that in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Tarantino neither ignored nor glorified the Manson murders, but went with a 3rd option: re-writing history completely. Our fascination with serial killers clearly stems from their mystery, and our desire to figure them out. It's human nature to need answers. Zodiac also gets into some of that fascination in the craze that gripped California in the 60s-70s. Between that and Se7en and Mindhunter, this was clearly David Fincher's wheelhouse. Mindhunter deserved at least one last season to wrap up the BTK guy
i loved 'once upon a time in hollywood' because i think it's so intriguing that he must have asked himself one day, "gee i wonder what would have happened if they got the wrong house???" and then made a movie about it. i really wanna know when how and when that whole thought process played out.
Tarantino has covered serial killers in such intriguing ways several times already, most notably with "Natural Born Killers." He probably didn't want exhaust the topic and mainly ignored the most famous (arguably) serial killer in "Once Upon A Time.." A very surprising and excellent move.
If true crime has teach me something, is that anyone can murder you for the stupidest reason, money, affairs, boredom, spur of the moment, even your friend from 15 years or your partner of 50 years, the nice coworker, or a random person in the street, but in serial killers case it’s so weird, some display an off vibe before even committing crimes, others look perfectly normal, some had endured abuse and I cannot think of one serial killer who hasn’t had a bad childhood, as a victim of abuse myself, with depression and temper problems, I have to wonder I am capable of those things?
It's more than this! How many kids get bullied in school, or how many suffer from domestic abuse and everyone looks away? Victims are afraid to speak out and I've seen why: people don't believe them! On the other side, I've met quite possibly two psychopaths and both were really fun people to hang out with! The problem though was that I could warn people and even without saying my hypothesis, but just pointing out the facts, people still down played their negative traits and even found excuses for them! Does this look like justice to you?
@@edi9892 psychopaths are not serial killers. Not every psychopath or sociopath is a serial killer. A negative childhood may be the reason for them to develop behaviours that end up in them becoming serial killers but that is no reason to be sympathetic of them or excuse their actions. Many people are victims of awful childhoods and do not grow up into serial killers. They should not be excused for and be sympathised.
@@abiireland2808 indeed. Neither of my acquaintances appeared to be of the murder kind... One was my grandfather. He was one of my favorite relatives and the only one who talked about WWII (my relatives were all Axis members) and he did so in a matter of fact way without holding any grudges, which is something I really respect. He was however amoral, mischievous and a crook and far from husband or father of the year material... The other was more problematic. She was my colleague and she was absurdly good at reading people like open books, lying and getting what she wants and others having to pay the price for doing her shady tasks... I've never seen a better liar or manipulator than her. It was awe inspiring! - and scary! She would never get violent, but she could pretty much ruin you with a whisper... You really needed to be careful not to give her any leverage over you. She may help you and ask for a little favor in turn which in the long run would cost you an arm and a leg!
Like the true crime fangirls. Wanting to know why killers do what they do and how they thought while still hating what they did is fine but the true crime fangirls fancying, feeling sorry for, justifying their actions and blaming everyone but them for them are as bad as the killers themselves.
I agree that we watch true crime because we empathize with the victims. Women are fans of true crime because most of the time the victims are other women and in my case I tend to think that knowing what happened to her is a way of remembering them and showing respect. We want to know about serial killers because we want to know how someone could reach that level of evil and learn about common paths so we can try to evade being the next victim. Also, there’s the mystery part, humans love a good intrigue and a case is basically a mystery novel sometimes, we just want to know everything that happened to solve it and discover who the killer was and why. The most impactful case I watched was Junko Furuta, and since I haven’t been able to hear about it again because of how painful it was, and I don’t even remember the monsters names, but I always remember her name, her story and her picture. Her story won’t be forgotten, at least not by me.
I've always been fascinated with true crime, even as a child I would try to sneek out and watch some documentaries about serial killers, we used to have a really gruesome show called "Criminal Russia" about the most outrageous killers from our country, a couple of episodes scared the shit out of me, but that's why I can easily watch horror movies, reality is so much scarier.
My parents love watching the ID channel for the investigative aspects and learning about how serial killers get to the point of such horrific violence. Those stories creep me out more than any fictional monster ever could.
The criminologist they quote, Scott Bonn, was my professor when I was in undergrad!!!! It was such a pleasure to take one of his classes. The man is a genius.
Still waiting on your Take on the Butt-of-the-Joke Character (Jerry from Parks & Rec, Hitchcock and Scully from Brooklyn Nine Nine, etc) and the damaging effects of seeing someone like that as a human dartboard. I think it'd be fascinating. 🤷♀️
I watch atleast 2 hrs of true crime everyday. It isn't about feeling sorry about them but wanting to know why? Why will any human do this and enjoy it? It is more about how anyone of us can be a victim.
I've been obsessed with Johnny the Homicidal Maniac lately. He's shown as a human being with human desires, but he's still an irredeemable murderer whose inner darkness is exploited by a supernatural entity.
From what I’ve found, women are fascinated by true crime because a lot of the time, WE are the victims of these crimes. It’s to understand the psychology and techniques of the people (primarily men) who wish to harm us in the most unspeakable ways. The show, Criminal Minds, was huge because people wanted to understand the psychology of these criminals, these monsters in the dark we always feared were watching, waiting, following us home or breaking into our houses. We needed to understand the why and the how of what they are and what they do. We don’t sit there and feel for them, we watch them get caught. The only killer I ever empathized with was Eileen Wuronos. I never justified her actions, in fact she said herself she killed the one guy in her life who had no bad intention toward her, he was trying to help her and she felt awful for it. I think of that poor man’s family. How he begged for his life, and I am not sitting there thinking, “Poor Eileen!” But I understand the poverty, sexual abuse, rape and trauma she endured throughout her life that put her in a position to turn off her emotions and think killing someone was the only way out of a bad situation. Some serial killers are very charming, Ed Kemper had everyone fooled because he could have a conversation with anybody. He was jolly and had a lot to talk about. He was even relatable as a person. He had a good sense of humour. This attractive ability to entice people has been explored through cinema and novels. It’s a spider and a fly. They trap us into a sense of comfort or safety and then kill us. -I mean, no one really had a bad opinion of Bundy before everything came out. They thought he was charismatic. Little did they know he was a sexual sadist who raped and murdered multiple women. He took advantage of the kindness of women. Pretending to be disabled in some way. Whether that be with a sling, crutches, a cast etc. To trap women who only wanted to aid someone in need. Women take their safety as a personal responsibility. So, we learn all we can. Hope and pray that if we are ever put in that situation, we see the signs before it’s too late.
I was always rather apprehensive about watching ’Dexter’ because Michael C. Hall is just so strikingly gorgeous but a very haunting and eerie character on the show. The same thing happened with ‘You’: Penn BADGELY is a Snacc from Heaven but again, SO SCARED.
@@seabreeze4559 I felt bad that I absolutely loved him in casino royale. I don't want to watch him as a sophisticated therapist who eats *rude* people and would never hurt the people he loves.
It’s also a good narrative to look at the outlier, the individual who represents a problem, which distracts from the bigger societal issues. It feels good to catch a serial killer, but it’s much harder to confront the mass domestic abuse that occurs daily. Even though most people are murdered by their partner
*Thank you* so much for featuring “The Five.” I’m listening to it on audiobook right now and it’s fantastic, an amazing deep dive into the “canonical” victims of Jack the Ripper. It explodes many myths (especially that they were prostitutes-they weren’t) and reveals the full lives and complex personalities of these women. It’s actually shocking that it took so long for that to happen, as if the information was never available when it has been all along. Can’t recommend it highly enough.
The truth is every perpetrator is a some point a victim however unlike hollywood portrays this never justifies their actions it just helps us to understand why it happened and how it can be prevented again. Hollywood goes beyond empathy and tends to romanticise and glorify murder too much rather than just focusing on the psychology of killers and why it happens.
Sympathy for serial killers, I understand. They are often broken people. I get it. They are often people one can feel pity for, or even a kind of affection. But I’m not sure you know what the word “empathy” means. It means something much deeper than sympathy. It means understanding how they are feeling and feeling it with them. I for one cannot and will not ever understand someone who *desires* to commit violence. Not the jingoist, and not the serial killer. If you can, ask yourself why.
@@zoiisite6741 same and I say this as someone who kinda has a crush on Tate kfkdkd that's the problem with the whole bad boy trope glorifying toxic and dangerous stuff
would it be possible to list the films that are shown and analyzed in the descriptions of your videos? sometimes they're referenced too quickly on screen and I have to pause and start the video again and again to get the right second where the film is credited
Thankyou this was one if the most interesting or illuminating videos I have watched in a long time. It both helped me understand myself and the cultural phenomenon.❤
As A Dane, I am really impressed by your two time mention of danish films/shows (Lars von trier and the investigation) is love to see you mention movies and shows from smaller (also non European countries) much love.
Women actually make up a larger portion of serial killers, they're just more careful and kill less frequently therefore mostly do not get caught. It's very interesting how fictional depictions of serial killers almost always take a few traits and amplify them but in real life, they're wildly different. Some kill for power, out of compulsion or even for "fun". Remember that this is a look at serial killer portrayals and NOT on actual serial killers. We're not studying them to empathize, we're doing it to better understand how to identify and stop them.
The terror at the heart of all serial killer stories is that no one is all good or all evil, and if someone with both parts can commit such atrocities, we are then all a mere fractional decision away from doing the same... and it is our responsibility to not do as they do, and stop those ones who decide to let the other side win and commit those evils.
In lieu of the recent mass shooting of 8 people in Atlanta, please do a video on the *Asian geisha/dragon lady* trope and how it can be toxic and dangerous ☆
The worst use of a serial killer in fiction was in AHS Hotel with Richard Ramirez. What the fuck they were thinking? Give a real guy who killed real people super powers and a psycho girlfriend? Disrespectful.
Natural born Killer and Tiger King Note:. As the movie A clockwork Orange is shown in the video, there need to be some explanation on the creation of this story. The authors of the book, Anthony Burgess, was a victim of crime similar to those in the story. Her wife was raped and she fall down in a turmoil and died from it. It seem to me that writing a story like that was something of an exorcism. On the other end, the movie was glamourizing the caracters and later the society turn against itself and approve the crime. It's something I have seen in a movie (I don't remember which and it was the point were I stopped the "fascination" for serial killer and story related to it. It was a movie about a student who was study a murderer from his cell and the student believe he was in control (dominating the exchange and himself). It turn out the student was being used (and he was sexually mentally abuse by the criminal). It's like the story of the frog and the scorpion. (movie Drive). If you hang on with scorpion you would end up being sting.
Im somewhat personally connected to polly klaas. I lived in petaluma; went to the same middle school as polly and i met her mom a few times when i was younger as she had gone to my mom and stepdad's wedding. That is the case that led me to being interested in true crime at a really young age.
@Rebecca Woolf That could be too. That's kinda what happened to Elsa from Frozen. She was originally going to be the villain but eventually they turned her into a tragic protagonist.
You missed a big point. The #1 reason our modern audiences are interested in serial killers is that we somehow continue to insist on believing (despite all evidence) that the image of evil has cold/cruel blue eyes and a thin mustache, a dark cloak, etc. The idea that evil can appear outwardly normal is something we as a culture have a difficult time accepting. Unconsciously, we feel a need to teach ourselves better.
If you want more stories on how a murder like that affects the family of the victim, definitely check out The Red Parts by Maggie Nelson. Her aunt was murdered and the case was reopened decades later and she writes about how her aunts death overshadowed every aspect of her life
I have to shout out the movie Prevenge here. The lead actress wrote and directed it herself while pregnant and her actual new born plays her baby in the film. She’s a badass creator!!
Frankly I’m more frightened by some of these movies and shows than a movie about spiritual possession. I’ve been saying for years how disturbing it is that Hollywood and other platforms glamorize these horrific criminals with tv and documentaries, disregarding the innocent people whose last moments on Earth were ones filled with unimaginable terror and suffering. What happened to them could’ve happened to anyone, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and their families are forever damaged afterward. To add salt to the wound they have to hear about these movies/shows glamorizing the one that butchered their loved ones.
I had insomnia once @ 13 yo. My mother gave me True Detective. I stumbled upon a story about a women getting raped with the leg of a desk, who died from internal injuries. I told my mother I had nightmares. She replied, that magazine helped her sleep.🤯
We were talking about this fake image of serial killer today. This video is incredible. And I LOVE My favorite murder podcast. The women there are amazing
the point about everyone being unmade by society and good parenting is something that i tough before, i believe there's evil in everyone of us and it depends on a lot of factors if that evil side grows or not. Also i had this conversation where i asked: if someone kill people you love, won't you want to take revenge? plus justice in my country sucks..
Love the arguments that we just shouldn't have this kind of media if someone gets hot over it. Whether it's violent video games or serial killers, men or women
I think it would be worth exploring how this trope has been used with regards to skin colour/ race. Only one of the killers shown was a person of colour. I believe this accurately reflects the (popular) movies that feature this trope. Recent events have raised the issue of the public being asked to empathize with white murderers something not afforded murderers of colour. It might be worth considering whether there is a causal link. Is the news media asking us to empathize almost exclusively with white murderers because movies have influenced the decision-makers and the public? Are movie makers influenced by the news media in choosing to feature and portray positively white murderers? Is it a product of media focus on white protagonists in general? Or am I off base here?
They need to be appreciated. Psychopathy is not a disease. I don’t like to be abused or destroyed either but the idea that they are mere monsters or evil is just delusional
I've been reading Caste and it goes through the history of racism and brutality in America and now I'm convinced the whole true crime genre and obsession has replaced the public lynching and executions that were big popular events prior to America's official founding. It's barely been 20 years since the last public execution and people used to create post cards of themselves at lynchings and send these gruesome photo ops to their friends and family, even going ad far as collecting the hair or other clothing items too. It was also a family event to watch lynchings so maybe at least to some extent we've grown past allowing children to be socialized to find entertainment in the torture of others.
The first podcast to get me into true crime was Crime Junkie. There's also a fantastic channel on RUclips called That Chapter, I *highly* recommend them!
Those that were already mentioned are awesome but I would also like to recommend “Criminology”. If you want more of a comedy angle, try “True Crime Obsessed” as it’s about documentaries in the genre’ and reactions to said media. Definitely more lighthearted than the first but they’re both on the top of my list for sure 🙂
My take from the serial killer trope kinda goes back into Carl Jung's philosophy of the shadow. As humans we aren't exactly made to kill but at the same time deep within our minds we all have the curious desire and ability to do so. Also anyone can do it no matter the gender or age so when we watch or read up on people like Jeffery Dahmer and Ted Bundy I believe that is us acknowledging our dark side or "Shadow" as Carl Jung describes it. Also I believe since serial killers kill without any remorse or guilt, we as a collective are intrigued by the idea of being able to cause such brutality towards another human being without any remorse because it is simply not in our nature as humans.
also, hi The Take if you ever see this, this may be the mandela effect, but I remember y'all made a video on strong female heroines/characters, and the different types of them? One of them I recall was Clarice Starling, who you mentioned was defined by her femininity and her relation to the male-dominated environment, which was the top reason that I checked out this movie, in Dec 2020, being a female student in engineering, another traditionally male-dominated environment. Did this video ever really exist? I hope the only trace of it left isn't just in my memory. It's a great video :) PS. Umm and just to jog your memory you said Ripley from alien was gender neutral, because she was written to be a gender neutral character, and so didn't have specific masculine or feminine written in her character. And maybe you mentioned also The Bride from Kill Bill, because she's the hero of a revenge story, which usually centers a man in it, but she's actually defined by her pregnancy and the revenge story from that. Great ideas for movie nights! :D
I'd love to see a take on the evolution of the term "daddy issues". Love the videos
Yes! They should include Serena van der Woodsen and Meredith Grey.
@@BellesView And I would love to see an analysis on popular male characters who fit that trop like Barney from How I Met Your Mother or Jeff from Community
@@awickedformerdisneysinger8445 I would like to see how gay/straight men are also prone to daddy issues.
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Yeah! Include Sarah-Lynn from Bojack Horseman
When I got into true crime, i learned how to be more careful wherever i go.
I'm Horror movie fan and I'm same way.
I'm really accident prone and have a poor sense of balance so it doesn't really matter how carefully I am... wherever I go I'm bound to get hurt. That's why I became an agoraphobic(the pandemic might have helped me normalize that).
Same, I also feel like I’m much less trusting of people 🙃
Exactly!!!! Also, I feel like true crime really teaches you what kinds of people to avoid.
@@knoelle1357 horror movies and true crime
The only problem with this trope is that they often have a handsome actor to show this story in order to have audiences sympathize with the killer (beauty equals goodness or wanting them to have redemption) cause if they had an average, overweight or unattractive actor, like most real life serial killers, audiences would be less reluctant to accept a sympathetic portrayal of a serial killer with heinous crimes and abusing victims if they look "ugly" as oppose to "attractive".
True but then again serial killers like ted bundy were famous because a lot of people thought he was handsome and good looking
That's fair (as it attracts a larger audience), however another way to look at it is that, even good-looking people can be wicked (looks can be deceiving)
Hannibal lecter is loved by a lot of people even though he’s not attractive.
@@abiireland2808 He's an exception in terms of being very handsome.
@@toomuchinformation There are others...Richard Ramirez wasn’t really that attractive but a lot of girls were into his “bad boy” vibe
I think the reason people are fascinated by serial killers is because they want to know how they got that way. Everyone loves a villain with a tragic backstory because no one wants to believe that a human being can be pure evil. Well, they *can.*
exactly!
And what makes them more compelling is that they’re real. They’re human beings like us. Like how could people like me turn into such cold blooded killers. They’re terrifying and intriguing.
Some of them have issues but some just do it because they can get away with it. It’s not that deep. And society gives them notoriety for it. Now they are somebody.
Just don't be one of those fans that send letters to them when they go to jail. Yes serial killers have fans. 🤢
@Yuri Markov w-what?
you somehow seem to be
targeting/attaking that commenter?
I’m still waiting for the romanticising protagonists’s cheating trope.
Me too, protagonists tend to be excused for cheating, but if their partner cheats on them, they're completely villainised. A prime example would be in any Nicholas Sparks story, namely "The Notebook."
@@trinaq Yes. Or something borrowed.
I agree. It’s yet another double standard that plagues our society. Cheating is a betrayal and it’s never excusable no matter who does it
Exactly. It will be nice to see your take on it
The picture of cheating I was most attached to is Diana in The Crown where it's suggested that it's an unhealthy coping mechanism like self-harm, drinking, overeating, smoking
Please do the "Bully picking on the Gay Kid turns out to have a crush on them, and they end up together" trope. Both "Glee" and "Sex Education" covered it, and the bully seemed to be TOO easily forgiven in both cases.
Good God no 😖
This trope also happens in heterosexual relationships as well and heavily affects how much abuse women and marginalized groups, especially POC will take from their abusers. When I was growing up, I was bullied by a lot of boys and I was always told that they just liked me or had crushes on me and instead of feeling empowered, I just felt myself breaking down. I feel like that trope would be a good fit with the “lovable bigot” who has truly horrific beliefs, but is always forgiven at the end of the day and has a “heart of gold”.
Also 13 reasons why.
That's... extremely specific. I'm still waiting for them to do _anything_ related to gay people.
@Sigurd Shvedov They certainly talk about gay people in nearly every trope video, but the trope itself is never about being gay.
Amazing take!
Really need an analysis about the "asshole genius", characters who are brilliantly smart so they're excused for being rude to the people around them. For example, Dr. House, Sherlock, Rick, etc
I think they already covered that trope
They covered that trope in the likebable sociopath
low agreeableness
Sheldon Cooper
The Sherlock in the books are nothing like the Sherlock in the show.
Love this video! In light of the recent anti-Asian crimes in the US could you make a video about how the portrayal of Asian women in films (the fetishization and objectification) harms them in real life?
Do you want to date me? Then I have to shatter your dreams: I am in a relationship with TWO women! They are also loyal fans of me, YT Megastar AxxL! Please don't cry, dear jess
and white male, asian female marriages have higher divorce rates due to domestic abuse, due to the docile child-like trope
@@seabreeze4559 Not surprising. When I was studying in Korea, I talked with a bilingual female Korean student who talked about this guy she dated when she studied abroad in the US. Basically he was super creepy, rapey, and fetishized her Asianess a lot. For instance when she wanted him to take things a little slower when they were getting physical, he said something along the lines of how he liked her reaction (which was her being surprised and I'm guessing super uncomfortable, not really willing or consenting)
No it dose not no film movie game or anything hurts anyone.
The individual choices do stop Blaming media blame Human choices.
@@seabreeze4559 Ya that's not racist at all.
the recent romanisation and lust over serial killers recently too is really dangerous
This has been going on since the 90s.
surely it's not recent. people have tried to know too much about ed gein and, like, bukowski, or charles manson, or whoever, since mid last century?
Worst thing I see is going on tumblr or Instagram or tiktok and seeing preteen and teen girls profess their love and sexual attraction to the Columbine shooters, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and many other dangerous men. A few years ago on tumblr on the anniversary of the Columbine massacre an alarming amount of girls on tumblr were talking about their fantasies of doing what those boys did or going to school and pretend shooting their classmates and when I called out the behavior in less than an hour I had dozens of girls threatening me and calling me a monster for judging the shooters.
@@jordanloux3883 Serial killer fans were around in Victorian England
and stockholm syndrome
I did NOT feel safer around Hannibal Lecter than the others. The others are so chaotic that they can't escape. Hannibal is watching and working out every advantage in a way that I as the viewer could never hope to keep up with.
"Better to reign in Hell, than to serve in Heaven."
John Milton, Paradise Lost
Yep, that's a fantastic quote which really sums this Trope up. Sometimes, the villains are far more compelling than the heroes.
@@trinaq I agree, we wanted to be Superman or Batman as a kid, now, as adults, we understand some villains.
Damn, that quote sounds badass and super scary at the same time lmao
@@ProdKeion.T thanks
@@ProdKeion.T Considering that it's spoken by Lucifer in a 17th c. epic poem about Hell? Yeah, Milton's some badass stuff alright.
It’s understandable that people root for Joe from “You”. The series is from his POV. And plus it doesn’t help that it’s Penn Badgley.
Yes, it helps that Penn Badgley is a charismatic actor, and Joe justifies his actions to the audience, although Penn acknowledges that some viewers tend to romanticise Joe because of this.
@@trinaq it makes me happy the actor acknowledges at least. Like 'why are you in love with Joe!!!?? He has killed several people!'
I think also with You as a book and a show is that it all is a horror parody of romantic films and stories, showcasing just how shallow and disturbing iconic romantic stories really are.
@@alicelostinwonderland7266 I couldn’t get past the first five pages. He’s sooooo different from the one in the show.
@@hayleym1483 I’m like it’s your fault for being so gorgeous, charming and having such an amazing voice.
The fact the two of my favorite comedians, Bill Hader and John Mulaney, are both in a video about serial killers says a lot about me, them and how the three of us must absolutely talk about serial killer shows in a coffee shop somewhere in paradise land *sigh*
anthony hopkins' lecter was somehow made to fit in really well with the world of silence of the lambs, with the police academy, the suburbia, buffalo bill's underground lair, but you take him out of that world and put him in between other clips and he just seems so weird, like a snake with deadly venom, but also with intelligence and charm.
@Sigurd Shvedov it's sad but he does kill Carlos in Hannibal (1999 novel and 2001 film) who's just a lackey really, a conman-hitman hired by a corrupt cop who doesn't have his back (at all), and his femoral artery gets slashed when he tries to pickpocket Hannibal Lecter for his fingerprints.
Umm on the other hand we have a list of other victims that we get onscreen that are really hateable: said corrupt cop, willing to let Carlos die just to keep his hunt for Hannibal Lecter hushed up. Krendler, a misogynistic boss who's been trashing Clarice Starling's career for the 7 years from during Silence to the end of Hannibal, where his brains get sauteed and eaten. Chilton, who was a worm anyway I guess. Miggs.
Actually there's a lot of collateral from Hannibal's escapes. 5 during his escape in Silence, those were just buddy cop police officers, I think. Their only sin is that they underestimated Lecter, and paid for it, but they were alright. Also during the escape at the end of Hannibal, he does kill Mason Verger, and some other guys in the hitman group hired by Mason Verger.
Also I think in Hannibal Rising, young Hannibal eats the scavengers who cannibalised his sister. I haven't read that one, and I don't think I will...
@@nicolesong6199 there's a difference this is fiction
You forgot to mention the villainizing of various mental illnesses with this trope, like schizophrenia and sociopathy.
Sociopathy is just a fancy way of saying ASPD (antisocial personality disorder)
maybe cuz having a Mental illness isn't exactly a pleasant experience?
@@monabohamad2242 partly because of the stigma surrounding mental illness?
@@monabohamad2242 "villainizing" meaning "implying that having one makes you evil."
@@gamehero6816 yeah PARTLY and I'm guessing with or without stigma surrounding mental illness it'd STILL be a not so pleasant experience either ways but I'd say my point would be well kinda of what I've just stated in this comment and I think being ignorant and being a total complete idiot are NOT necessarily the exact same thing and I'd say I'm the former since I'm a frigging human being plus I barely get out much:(sorta of a complaint but not necessarily whining):and as far as I'm aware human beings can never really know everything cuz maybe we wouldn't be human beings then...
This video where you talked about focusing on the victim rather than the killer hits harder after the brutal death of Sarah Everard.
@Me We exactly. Like yes Sarah Everard was an ordinary woman but thats the point. She was completely ordinary and had her whole life ahead of her and was so brutally murdered whilst sinply walking home. She deserves a movies about her life.
@@lucypreece7581 you never really know when you'll die or if you'll see someone again in this world of ours😓. RIP to Sarah Everard
@Me We then don't watch them?
@Me We yeah stop watching movies that make you upset and
I wish they had brought up American Horror Story. "Hotel" featured a couple based on real ones (and cameos from real ones) and "1984" was literally all about this. It featured different serial killers and their motivations. As The Take pointed out, you never know who is behind the mask.
the nightstalker
I hate garbage like this
You are the type of people who are what's wrong with society
Meanwhile Patrick Bateman be like "don't just stare at it, eat it"
I have to go return some videotapes..
Interesting that in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Tarantino neither ignored nor glorified the Manson murders, but went with a 3rd option: re-writing history completely.
Our fascination with serial killers clearly stems from their mystery, and our desire to figure them out. It's human nature to need answers. Zodiac also gets into some of that fascination in the craze that gripped California in the 60s-70s. Between that and Se7en and Mindhunter, this was clearly David Fincher's wheelhouse. Mindhunter deserved at least one last season to wrap up the BTK guy
i loved 'once upon a time in hollywood' because i think it's so intriguing that he must have asked himself one day, "gee i wonder what would have happened if they got the wrong house???" and then made a movie about it. i really wanna know when how and when that whole thought process played out.
Tarantino has covered serial killers in such intriguing ways several times already, most notably with "Natural Born Killers." He probably didn't want exhaust the topic and mainly ignored the most famous (arguably) serial killer in "Once Upon A Time.." A very surprising and excellent move.
I find it interesting that you never mentioned Criminal Minds. It was a good show.
Criminal Minds takes a different approach than the other shows though because it centers on the fbi rather than the killers themselves.
Can you guys do the expensive black girl trope. Like Toni Child’s from Girlfriends, Moesha, Thats so Raven, Naomi Campbell, etc.
Yes! Hilary Banks and Whitley Gilbert too
We can only hope they will do that trope
Hannibal the NBC was so good and chaotic for making the main serial killer both dangerous and hot as hell.
I guess I am just too interested in the psycho aspects, I want go try and understand what triggered the person to become so.
Same
If true crime has teach me something, is that anyone can murder you for the stupidest reason, money, affairs, boredom, spur of the moment, even your friend from 15 years or your partner of 50 years, the nice coworker, or a random person in the street, but in serial killers case it’s so weird, some display an off vibe before even committing crimes, others look perfectly normal, some had endured abuse and I cannot think of one serial killer who hasn’t had a bad childhood, as a victim of abuse myself, with depression and temper problems, I have to wonder I am capable of those things?
Sad how people actually do fall for serial killers and are sympathetic of them
It's more than this!
How many kids get bullied in school, or how many suffer from domestic abuse and everyone looks away?
Victims are afraid to speak out and I've seen why: people don't believe them!
On the other side, I've met quite possibly two psychopaths and both were really fun people to hang out with! The problem though was that I could warn people and even without saying my hypothesis, but just pointing out the facts, people still down played their negative traits and even found excuses for them!
Does this look like justice to you?
I like serial killer movies but I do hate how people act as if having a hard childhood justifies being a murderer.
@@edi9892 psychopaths are not serial killers. Not every psychopath or sociopath is a serial killer. A negative childhood may be the reason for them to develop behaviours that end up in them becoming serial killers but that is no reason to be sympathetic of them or excuse their actions. Many people are victims of awful childhoods and do not grow up into serial killers. They should not be excused for and be sympathised.
@@abiireland2808 indeed. Neither of my acquaintances appeared to be of the murder kind... One was my grandfather. He was one of my favorite relatives and the only one who talked about WWII (my relatives were all Axis members) and he did so in a matter of fact way without holding any grudges, which is something I really respect. He was however amoral, mischievous and a crook and far from husband or father of the year material...
The other was more problematic. She was my colleague and she was absurdly good at reading people like open books, lying and getting what she wants and others having to pay the price for doing her shady tasks...
I've never seen a better liar or manipulator than her. It was awe inspiring! - and scary! She would never get violent, but she could pretty much ruin you with a whisper... You really needed to be careful not to give her any leverage over you. She may help you and ask for a little favor in turn which in the long run would cost you an arm and a leg!
Like the true crime fangirls. Wanting to know why killers do what they do and how they thought while still hating what they did is fine but the true crime fangirls fancying, feeling sorry for, justifying their actions and blaming everyone but them for them are as bad as the killers themselves.
I agree that we watch true crime because we empathize with the victims. Women are fans of true crime because most of the time the victims are other women and in my case I tend to think that knowing what happened to her is a way of remembering them and showing respect. We want to know about serial killers because we want to know how someone could reach that level of evil and learn about common paths so we can try to evade being the next victim. Also, there’s the mystery part, humans love a good intrigue and a case is basically a mystery novel sometimes, we just want to know everything that happened to solve it and discover who the killer was and why.
The most impactful case I watched was Junko Furuta, and since I haven’t been able to hear about it again because of how painful it was, and I don’t even remember the monsters names, but I always remember her name, her story and her picture. Her story won’t be forgotten, at least not by me.
@Yuri Markov did you even read my comment before replying?
@Yuri Markov if you had done a proper reading of the original comment you’d know that the answer to your question is there
I've always been fascinated with true crime, even as a child I would try to sneek out and watch some documentaries about serial killers, we used to have a really gruesome show called "Criminal Russia" about the most outrageous killers from our country, a couple of episodes scared the shit out of me, but that's why I can easily watch horror movies, reality is so much scarier.
@Sigurd Shvedov Especially the episodes about Chikatilo and Golovkin.
@Sigurd Shvedov Every time I think about him I start wondering how the f**ck could such an evil creature exist on the planet
"Криминальная Россия" - это вещь, да
My parents love watching the ID channel for the investigative aspects and learning about how serial killers get to the point of such horrific violence. Those stories creep me out more than any fictional monster ever could.
It's horrible that the media constantly tells us the perspective/story of serial killers instead of their victims
Lmao ppl actually care about victims? Ngl thats boring af
@@user-82jw3aI2 your the problem
The criminologist they quote, Scott Bonn, was my professor when I was in undergrad!!!! It was such a pleasure to take one of his classes. The man is a genius.
Still waiting on your Take on the Butt-of-the-Joke Character (Jerry from Parks & Rec, Hitchcock and Scully from Brooklyn Nine Nine, etc) and the damaging effects of seeing someone like that as a human dartboard. I think it'd be fascinating. 🤷♀️
Yessss do cults next!
Yesss cults!!!
I watch atleast 2 hrs of true crime everyday. It isn't about feeling sorry about them but wanting to know why? Why will any human do this and enjoy it? It is more about how anyone of us can be a victim.
I just stopped my Netflix serie for the first time in 3 days to watch something else!
This is it! This is the moment !😭
Which series were u watching?
I've been obsessed with Johnny the Homicidal Maniac lately. He's shown as a human being with human desires, but he's still an irredeemable murderer whose inner darkness is exploited by a supernatural entity.
Please make a video about movies romanticizing kidnapping like 365 and so many others
This is super common on wattpad
I hate the myth that Ted Bundy was super charming - everyone who knew him said he wasn’t - it’s just used as another way to blame the victims
From what I’ve found, women are fascinated by true crime because a lot of the time, WE are the victims of these crimes. It’s to understand the psychology and techniques of the people (primarily men) who wish to harm us in the most unspeakable ways.
The show, Criminal Minds, was huge because people wanted to understand the psychology of these criminals, these monsters in the dark we always feared were watching, waiting, following us home or breaking into our houses. We needed to understand the why and the how of what they are and what they do. We don’t sit there and feel for them, we watch them get caught.
The only killer I ever empathized with was Eileen Wuronos. I never justified her actions, in fact she said herself she killed the one guy in her life who had no bad intention toward her, he was trying to help her and she felt awful for it. I think of that poor man’s family. How he begged for his life, and I am not sitting there thinking, “Poor Eileen!”
But I understand the poverty, sexual abuse, rape and trauma she endured throughout her life that put her in a position to turn off her emotions and think killing someone was the only way out of a bad situation.
Some serial killers are very charming, Ed Kemper had everyone fooled because he could have a conversation with anybody. He was jolly and had a lot to talk about. He was even relatable as a person. He had a good sense of humour. This attractive ability to entice people has been explored through cinema and novels. It’s a spider and a fly. They trap us into a sense of comfort or safety and then kill us.
-I mean, no one really had a bad opinion of Bundy before everything came out. They thought he was charismatic. Little did they know he was a sexual sadist who raped and murdered multiple women.
He took advantage of the kindness of women. Pretending to be disabled in some way. Whether that be with a sling, crutches, a cast etc. To trap women who only wanted to aid someone in need.
Women take their safety as a personal responsibility. So, we learn all we can. Hope and pray that if we are ever put in that situation, we see the signs before it’s too late.
The take should do the trope of the "other woman"
I was always rather apprehensive about watching ’Dexter’ because Michael C. Hall is just so strikingly gorgeous but a very haunting and eerie character on the show.
The same thing happened with ‘You’: Penn BADGELY is a Snacc from Heaven but again, SO SCARED.
try nbc hannibal
@@seabreeze4559 Avoiding that like the plague lol
@@seabreeze4559 I felt bad that I absolutely loved him in casino royale. I don't want to watch him as a sophisticated therapist who eats *rude* people and would never hurt the people he loves.
Amazing video the Take!!!! Can you make a video about the Hillbilly trope next please???
never been this early before!
Congratulations on making the early squad! 🎊😎
Same
WOOP WOOP
Me too
It’s also a good narrative to look at the outlier, the individual who represents a problem, which distracts from the bigger societal issues. It feels good to catch a serial killer, but it’s much harder to confront the mass domestic abuse that occurs daily. Even though most people are murdered by their partner
*Thank you* so much for featuring “The Five.” I’m listening to it on audiobook right now and it’s fantastic, an amazing deep dive into the “canonical” victims of Jack the Ripper. It explodes many myths (especially that they were prostitutes-they weren’t) and reveals the full lives and complex personalities of these women. It’s actually shocking that it took so long for that to happen, as if the information was never available when it has been all along. Can’t recommend it highly enough.
14:57 they quoted C.G. Jung 😭 that's my fav quote!
Wish you would have touched on the cultural element of which criminals we glorify and why.
Please make one for *HANNIBAL TV SERIES.*
And comment upon Will Graham and Hannibal.
Yess
True crime reminds me to stay a little bit paranoid. I’m a very trusting person deep down, and it balances that out. It keeps me always observant.
The movie at 10:40 is Eyes without a face with the french actor Claude Brasseur.
THANK YOU so much!!!
Pls do a video on childfree women and their portrayal in media, especially versus mothers
The truth is every perpetrator is a some point a victim however unlike hollywood portrays this never justifies their actions it just helps us to understand why it happened and how it can be prevented again. Hollywood goes beyond empathy and tends to romanticise and glorify murder too much rather than just focusing on the psychology of killers and why it happens.
I have a BA in Psychology, I’m fascinated by everyone.
Sympathy for serial killers, I understand. They are often broken people. I get it. They are often people one can feel pity for, or even a kind of affection.
But I’m not sure you know what the word “empathy” means. It means something much deeper than sympathy. It means understanding how they are feeling and feeling it with them. I for one cannot and will not ever understand someone who *desires* to commit violence. Not the jingoist, and not the serial killer. If you can, ask yourself why.
Personally, I like to call this liking the serial killer thing "The Tate Langdon Effect".
Lmao that's a good one
They should cover school shooters portrayed in media
@@fatbitch7168 yeah I know and their romanticization as well
@@zoiisite6741 same and I say this as someone who kinda has a crush on Tate kfkdkd that's the problem with the whole bad boy trope glorifying toxic and dangerous stuff
@@fatbitch7168 Honneyy you are preaching to the choir. I, myself, was a victim to this 'dangerous bad boy who's got eyes just for you' trope.
would it be possible to list the films that are shown and analyzed in the descriptions of your videos? sometimes they're referenced too quickly on screen and I have to pause and start the video again and again to get the right second where the film is credited
Been waiting for a video analyzing serial killers from this channel!!!
Thankyou this was one if the most interesting or illuminating videos I have watched in a long time. It both helped me understand myself and the cultural phenomenon.❤
As A Dane, I am really impressed by your two time mention of danish films/shows (Lars von trier and the investigation) is love to see you mention movies and shows from smaller (also non European countries) much love.
The only movie with killing that I was ever ok with was ‘Scream’. Maybe because it was supposed to be a cheeky love letter to the genre.
Women actually make up a larger portion of serial killers, they're just more careful and kill less frequently therefore mostly do not get caught. It's very interesting how fictional depictions of serial killers almost always take a few traits and amplify them but in real life, they're wildly different. Some kill for power, out of compulsion or even for "fun".
Remember that this is a look at serial killer portrayals and NOT on actual serial killers. We're not studying them to empathize, we're doing it to better understand how to identify and stop them.
The terror at the heart of all serial killer stories is that no one is all good or all evil, and if someone with both parts can commit such atrocities, we are then all a mere fractional decision away from doing the same... and it is our responsibility to not do as they do, and stop those ones who decide to let the other side win and commit those evils.
In lieu of the recent mass shooting of 8 people in Atlanta, please do a video on the *Asian geisha/dragon lady* trope and how it can be toxic and dangerous ☆
Thanks for mentioning my favorite murder! Love them so much :)
Thanks for the shout-out!
The worst use of a serial killer in fiction was in AHS Hotel with Richard Ramirez. What the fuck they were thinking? Give a real guy who killed real people super powers and a psycho girlfriend? Disrespectful.
Natural born Killer and Tiger King
Note:. As the movie A clockwork Orange is shown in the video, there need to be some explanation on the creation of this story. The authors of the book, Anthony Burgess, was a victim of crime similar to those in the story. Her wife was raped and she fall down in a turmoil and died from it. It seem to me that writing a story like that was something of an exorcism. On the other end, the movie was glamourizing the caracters and later the society turn against itself and approve the crime.
It's something I have seen in a movie (I don't remember which and it was the point were I stopped the "fascination" for serial killer and story related to it. It was a movie about a student who was study a murderer from his cell and the student believe he was in control (dominating the exchange and himself). It turn out the student was being used (and he was sexually mentally abuse by the criminal). It's like the story of the frog and the scorpion. (movie Drive). If you hang on with scorpion you would end up being sting.
Im somewhat personally connected to polly klaas. I lived in petaluma; went to the same middle school as polly and i met her mom a few times when i was younger as she had gone to my mom and stepdad's wedding. That is the case that led me to being interested in true crime at a really young age.
I'm still waiting for the Antagonistic Mindset Of Courtney Shayne analysis video
Thank you. This was fascinating.
This might explain why Disney decided to turn Maleficient into a pseudo-empathetic villain with a tragic backstory.
I agree, I always thought that was weird..
@Rebecca Woolf That could be too. That's kinda what happened to Elsa from Frozen. She was originally going to be the villain but eventually they turned her into a tragic protagonist.
@@fcv4616
and I kinda of prefer it that way
@@monabohamad2242 You mean Maleficient or Elsa?
@@fcv4616 I've meant Elsa
Well researched ma ladies!!!
You missed a big point. The #1 reason our modern audiences are interested in serial killers is that we somehow continue to insist on believing (despite all evidence) that the image of evil has cold/cruel blue eyes and a thin mustache, a dark cloak, etc. The idea that evil can appear outwardly normal is something we as a culture have a difficult time accepting. Unconsciously, we feel a need to teach ourselves better.
Can you guys do the Voodoo/Hoodoo and Witch doctor trope!?
If you want more stories on how a murder like that affects the family of the victim, definitely check out The Red Parts by Maggie Nelson. Her aunt was murdered and the case was reopened decades later and she writes about how her aunts death overshadowed every aspect of her life
Beck was literally home free from Joe and just had to go back lmao
I felt bad for her. She didn’t get to experience success.
I have to shout out the movie Prevenge here. The lead actress wrote and directed it herself while pregnant and her actual new born plays her baby in the film. She’s a badass creator!!
My bad forgot to add amazing video as always ladies!
Love the shoutouts to Barry and Trial & Error 😄
Frankly I’m more frightened by some of these movies and shows than a movie about spiritual possession. I’ve been saying for years how disturbing it is that Hollywood and other platforms glamorize these horrific criminals with tv and documentaries, disregarding the innocent people whose last moments on Earth were ones filled with unimaginable terror and suffering. What happened to them could’ve happened to anyone, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and their families are forever damaged afterward. To add salt to the wound they have to hear about these movies/shows glamorizing the one that butchered their loved ones.
You guys missed the opportunity to call the last bit of the title "Sympathy for the Devil".
I call it The Shadow. It"s always there. You have to make peace. There is a ton of energy don't get flooded!
I had insomnia once @ 13 yo. My mother gave me True Detective. I stumbled upon a story about a women getting raped with the leg of a desk, who died from internal injuries. I told my mother I had nightmares. She replied, that magazine helped her sleep.🤯
We were talking about this fake image of serial killer today. This video is incredible. And I LOVE My favorite murder podcast. The women there are amazing
Yes!! Love the podcast tooooo
Great video ❤
Loved this one!
Wasn’t expecting to see a Belgian movie🇧🇪
the point about everyone being unmade by society and good parenting is something that i tough before, i believe there's evil in everyone of us and it depends on a lot of factors if that evil side grows or not. Also i had this conversation where i asked: if someone kill people you love, won't you want to take revenge? plus justice in my country sucks..
I clicked so fast. This is right up my alley
I tell you the way I RAN to this video....
Love the arguments that we just shouldn't have this kind of media if someone gets hot over it. Whether it's violent video games or serial killers, men or women
I think it would be worth exploring how this trope has been used with regards to skin colour/ race.
Only one of the killers shown was a person of colour. I believe this accurately reflects the (popular) movies that feature this trope.
Recent events have raised the issue of the public being asked to empathize with white murderers something not afforded murderers of colour.
It might be worth considering whether there is a causal link.
Is the news media asking us to empathize almost exclusively with white murderers because movies have influenced the decision-makers and the public?
Are movie makers influenced by the news media in choosing to feature and portray positively white murderers?
Is it a product of media focus on white protagonists in general?
Or am I off base here?
Not off base. Your eyes are open, and you’re on to something.
Agreed. I think there’s a connection.
This trope take video is Unique from the other ones you’ve made.
They need to be appreciated. Psychopathy is not a disease. I don’t like to be abused or destroyed either but the idea that they are mere monsters or evil is just delusional
I remember when Criminal Minds first aired on tv, there was pushback. So much has changed in 16 years.
Hail Mindhunter
I've been reading Caste and it goes through the history of racism and brutality in America and now I'm convinced the whole true crime genre and obsession has replaced the public lynching and executions that were big popular events prior to America's official founding. It's barely been 20 years since the last public execution and people used to create post cards of themselves at lynchings and send these gruesome photo ops to their friends and family, even going ad far as collecting the hair or other clothing items too. It was also a family event to watch lynchings so maybe at least to some extent we've grown past allowing children to be socialized to find entertainment in the torture of others.
i really hope the fall is mentioned in this.
eta: they did not mention the fall in this. what a shame.
I want to start listening to true crime podcasts. can someone recommend a good ones
The first podcast to get me into true crime was Crime Junkie. There's also a fantastic channel on RUclips called That Chapter, I *highly* recommend them!
@@Snarl_Marx thank you so much! i'll look into these!! :D
@Sam Twelmeyer thanks for the rec!! i'll check it out! :D
Southern fried crime is excellent! The speaker provides a historical context to the crimes
Those that were already mentioned are awesome but I would also like to recommend “Criminology”. If you want more of a comedy angle, try “True Crime Obsessed” as it’s about documentaries in the genre’ and reactions to said media. Definitely more lighthearted than the first but they’re both on the top of my list for sure 🙂
Omg im early!!!!! Yassss i really love this kinds of videos
My take from the serial killer trope kinda goes back into Carl Jung's philosophy of the shadow. As humans we aren't exactly made to kill but at the same time deep within our minds we all have the curious desire and ability to do so. Also anyone can do it no matter the gender or age so when we watch or read up on people like Jeffery Dahmer and Ted Bundy I believe that is us acknowledging our dark side or "Shadow" as Carl Jung describes it. Also I believe since serial killers kill without any remorse or guilt, we as a collective are intrigued by the idea of being able to cause such brutality towards another human being without any remorse because it is simply not in our nature as humans.
also, hi The Take if you ever see this, this may be the mandela effect, but I remember y'all made a video on strong female heroines/characters, and the different types of them? One of them I recall was Clarice Starling, who you mentioned was defined by her femininity and her relation to the male-dominated environment, which was the top reason that I checked out this movie, in Dec 2020, being a female student in engineering, another traditionally male-dominated environment. Did this video ever really exist? I hope the only trace of it left isn't just in my memory. It's a great video :)
PS.
Umm and just to jog your memory you said Ripley from alien was gender neutral, because she was written to be a gender neutral character, and so didn't have specific masculine or feminine written in her character. And maybe you mentioned also The Bride from Kill Bill, because she's the hero of a revenge story, which usually centers a man in it, but she's actually defined by her pregnancy and the revenge story from that. Great ideas for movie nights! :D
You just changed my mind on capital murder. Wow 😯