As a doubles player I have to say OtP Oni is a PAINFUL chart to play. And I don't mean only passability...the way you have to contort your body and twist has caused my back to give out attempting it. And Tohoku EVOLVED has to be one of the most fun harder doubles charts to play although I do wish I could pass it.
Thanks for making the vid Dr. D! Completely agree on the last 2 being 20s. And OMG Egoism 440 can warrant a 20 easily and is a shock it wasn't rated that. God knows if it will be rerated, or what a potential 20 would look like...
Numbers 10~6 should be 18s. 5~3 should be 19s. But seriously, 2~1 need to be rated 20s. The huge jump in difficulty from 3->2 is enough to warrant it. #1 should be on the high end of the 20s as well. The top score should tell you a lot...
No kidding, but we still don't know (nor have defined) the lv.19 Threshold, although I have made lv.20 charts in single. Something else too: Wait for it.... EGOISM 440 will HOPEFULLY turn out like MAX 300 --- a serial song with many remixes. PLEASE KONAMI! WE WANT EGOISM 500!!!! or EGOMAX 500!!!
why isn't that piece of shit chart Pluto the Worst here? And Pluto Relinquish should be a 19 too :( Also the record for Paranoia Revolution is 950k by TAKASKE
Maybe Paranoia Revolution's record was beaten AFTER this video. Just a notice :) And also, I like Pluto the First An even worser chart is the one made for Pluto's Remix: Pluto Eclipse.
@@ddrdanganvloger2187 oh. You were saying otp should be a high 19 not egoism. And nah, even if Endymion is the hardest, it should not be a 21 if otp is a hard 19. That doesn't make sense, the difficulty jump isn't THAT massive
Kain R Heinlein alright. If you’ve ever heard of stepmania, you would know that you can made simfiles to any and every song ever imagined. Though I would like to work for Konami to make a more extensive DDR game that goes for all platforms. Platforms are, but not limited to, PC, Console, IOS/Android, Arcade, etc. This would include a return of Master Mode/Mission Mode, Shops, and a power engine of stepmania. Foot levels would go from 1-20, to 0-1000, etc. What I’m saying is these charts in this list could be modified for difficulty changes. When I say modified difficulties, I mean 19-25 foot meter charts. Yeah.
Being more familiar with OtP Challenge, I was expecting it to be #1. It's incredibly fast, and especially unreadable. Then I saw the last 15 seconds of Egoism. Jesus Christ.
FishamanP I mean it really comes down to that. If it weren't for that amount of retardation at the end of egoism, OTP would have taken it. At least the speed options are reasonable for egoism.
The patterns on their own for the last fifteen seconds look a bit easier than OTP. At first, I thought OTP would be #1. However, the patterns in EGOISM are being played at 220, and not 200 like OTP, meaning they are HELL to manage! I think the sheer speed of that chart, tying in with its density, and throwing in some difficult patterns to the mix is what made this #1! UGH, my calves would literally pop out from playing that! EDIT: I shouldn't forget about the fact that it's also being played for 8 STRAIGHT measures of 220! (or around 8.27 seconds) BRUTAL!
Yea, I was thinking it maybe is 210, but 200 seems to get the point across more. I agree though, even 210 to 220 is a huge jump in difficulty when doing this kind of stuff!
Just as an added note, I'll admit that OTP has far more technical patterns than EGOISM, but when it comes to the gap between 210 and 220, it's really not much. However, the primary difference is that OTP has short bursts of speed whereas EGOISM is just pure speed and stamina in general.
I ain't really good at ddr but I used to play it a lot. I NEVER played doubles (i can barely read them lol) and now that I think about it, it's like I've been missing out on an entire game all my life haha
Unrelated but I always had a question on why DDR A/DDR Supernova feel lenient when playing but X3/SN2/Extreme feel really difficult? I know at some point the placement of the sensors changed but it feels inconsistent when I feel the differences between DDR A and X3!
Holy fuck the final stream lasts ten full seconds. MORE THAN 10% OF THE ENTIRE SONG. "WHAT THE FUCK KONANI?" - Dr. D, 2017 and pretty much every other year
Can we get sn update on these series?? There have been a couple of mixes and id like to see those takes from some of the best players on singles and doubles for the new lists
In not sure if you take requests for future top tens but I'm interested in seeing what you consider the EASIEST songs in the DDR series or the hardest licensed songs?
Just out of curiosity, for Tohoku EVOLVED Doubles, what is the positioning of the final jump in the 1020 bpm segment? Is it any random corner on either pad, or just the left one?
DogInDaGrass Bracketing basically refers to positioning your feet on the pad such that your heel and toe of each foot each are on an arrow, so you play a song by simply rocking your feet without having to move around the pad. For obvious reasons this doesn't work in doubles.
@dr.dgaming won't be long before single charts get 16th crossover triplets at 400 BPM I guess. You know konami will do that to a song in the near future.
If you ever play stepmania, try the stepcharts (mostly for single, doubles ive only made 2) from the DDR Challenge Series song pack. Believe me, you'll grab a warhammer and slam it to the computer when you see the 2 lv. 20s (which are both MAX 300 and MAX Unlimited, but play it and you'll know why), and Trip Machine Phoenix which I had to re-rate to Lv.19, because seriously... I'm working on CS X-tremiX, and I've even made Soul Crash a legit 17, maybe (I was never sure, tbh), and even playing it on Xmix 3 was painful, damn those crossovers... Maybe we can collab together when I send out CS2, with POSSESSION and Anti-Matter as it's absolute (and absurdly difficult) boss. CRAP, even thinking about it makes it seem like an CSP 20 and CDP 21... I feel inspired to make some doubles charts, so thank you. Great top 10, wasn't expecting some songs to be there and at their level :)
Im gonna put this as my honorable meantion: ruclips.net/video/2AWNjfnm5ms/видео.html Dear. Frikkin. Lord... do i even have to explain this? if you remember the ddr supernova 2 boss rush, you know it is litterally impossible to beat. Not only that, only 2 people made it through this intense challenge. Now imagine doing this on doubles. This is possibly the most atrocious thing this game have to offer. As now you have to do that same thing, but with only 8 arrows, and 5 songs to go through. Yeah... he completed the entire thing on doubles. Making the first ever person to complete the boss rush on doubles.
Will be expecting more "What the fuck!?" if we ever do a colaboration to make a top 10 for my challenge series. Just seeing this songlist of available stepcharts should make you cringe: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C6XQAkFS8DFNN0zP8najBKiOK9wZS6OQwKnRsf3xhKE/edit?usp=sharing Lv.20 SP charts FTW!
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The last two charts twisted my tummy into knots :( Holy shit.
As a doubles player I have to say OtP Oni is a PAINFUL chart to play. And I don't mean only passability...the way you have to contort your body and twist has caused my back to give out attempting it. And Tohoku EVOLVED has to be one of the most fun harder doubles charts to play although I do wish I could pass it.
I'm also going to add in that Egoism 440 Challenge also would be a fun chart as well at a lower BPM.
Hey Dr.D you did a amazing job on this top 10 hardest doubles chart and I want you to know that I agreed with your list. AMAZING JOB!!
Thanks for making the vid Dr. D! Completely agree on the last 2 being 20s. And OMG Egoism 440 can warrant a 20 easily and is a shock it wasn't rated that. God knows if it will be rerated, or what a potential 20 would look like...
Numbers 10~6 should be 18s. 5~3 should be 19s. But seriously, 2~1 need to be rated 20s. The huge jump in difficulty from 3->2 is enough to warrant it. #1 should be on the high end of the 20s as well. The top score should tell you a lot...
No kidding, but we still don't know (nor have defined) the lv.19 Threshold, although I have made lv.20 charts in single.
Something else too: Wait for it.... EGOISM 440 will HOPEFULLY turn out like MAX 300 --- a serial song with many remixes.
PLEASE KONAMI! WE WANT EGOISM 500!!!! or EGOMAX 500!!!
Ummm, I've got an explanation for this: stepchartsdiscussionvgs.blogspot.com/2017/03/why-there-are-no-lv20s-in-ddr.html
why isn't that piece of shit chart Pluto the Worst here? And Pluto Relinquish should be a 19 too :(
Also the record for Paranoia Revolution is 950k by TAKASKE
Maybe Paranoia Revolution's record was beaten AFTER this video. Just a notice :)
And also, I like Pluto the First
An even worser chart is the one made for Pluto's Remix: Pluto Eclipse.
Dr. D Gaming Just think about how hard the double 20s are gonna be once they do actually come out.
And I thought I was great by passing Valkyrie Dimension with an A on Difficult
Same.
Congratulations
Everyone agreed that Egoism should have been a 20, after seeing OTP maybe that one as well. Wow
Kain R Heinlein a high 19, but not exactly a 20. There’s places that notes can fit into in order to make this into a low 20.
@@ddrdanganvloger2187 yeah. The 16th bursts the singles has. Endymion tho should be a 20 still on doubles
Kain R Heinlein no. It should be a low 21. But I can see how you think it would be a high 20.
@@ddrdanganvloger2187 oh. You were saying otp should be a high 19 not egoism. And nah, even if Endymion is the hardest, it should not be a 21 if otp is a hard 19. That doesn't make sense, the difficulty jump isn't THAT massive
Kain R Heinlein alright. If you’ve ever heard of stepmania, you would know that you can made simfiles to any and every song ever imagined. Though I would like to work for Konami to make a more extensive DDR game that goes for all platforms. Platforms are, but not limited to, PC, Console, IOS/Android, Arcade, etc. This would include a return of Master Mode/Mission Mode, Shops, and a power engine of stepmania. Foot levels would go from 1-20, to 0-1000, etc. What I’m saying is these charts in this list could be modified for difficulty changes. When I say modified difficulties, I mean 19-25 foot meter charts. Yeah.
I'm digging that New York EVOLVED in the background
Hey it's Rygon! Lol wasn't expecting to see him here. Went to high school with him😅
I'm sorry for being cringe in high school lmao
@@xRGTMx lol we all were.
Being more familiar with OtP Challenge, I was expecting it to be #1. It's incredibly fast, and especially unreadable.
Then I saw the last 15 seconds of Egoism. Jesus Christ.
FishamanP I mean it really comes down to that. If it weren't for that amount of retardation at the end of egoism, OTP would have taken it. At least the speed options are reasonable for egoism.
The patterns on their own for the last fifteen seconds look a bit easier than OTP.
At first, I thought OTP would be #1.
However, the patterns in EGOISM are being played at 220, and not 200 like OTP, meaning they are HELL to manage!
I think the sheer speed of that chart, tying in with its density, and throwing in some difficult patterns to the mix is what made this #1! UGH, my calves would literally pop out from playing that!
EDIT: I shouldn't forget about the fact that it's also being played for 8 STRAIGHT measures of 220! (or around 8.27 seconds) BRUTAL!
I think the end of OTP is 210, but I think even the difference between 210 and 220 is huge in terms of difficulty.
Yea, I was thinking it maybe is 210, but 200 seems to get the point across more.
I agree though, even 210 to 220 is a huge jump in difficulty when doing this kind of stuff!
Just as an added note, I'll admit that OTP has far more technical patterns than EGOISM, but when it comes to the gap between 210 and 220, it's really not much. However, the primary difference is that OTP has short bursts of speed whereas EGOISM is just pure speed and stamina in general.
Egoism doubles challenge is a monster of a chart. The only chart I can think that could rival that is Paradoxx D28 from PIU
FutileExistence Oh my yes it is.
Inujosha then it's far from rivaling it
Kain Heinlein Yeah I know. I just,didn't use the right word at the time and couldn't think of a better word. We all make mistakes.
Well... the thing the that timing and health difficulty makes it a bit comparable. But still totally different charts
Kain Heinlein Agreed. 😀
Boy, just wait until Konami makes actual 20's. (Shudder)
Considering what Over The Period represents, I don't think I want to know whats over it (besides Egoism of course).
20’s will be impossible for a human
Egoism 440 should be a 20. If THAT isnt 20-worthy, I dont want to know what is.
pump it up has double 28's
It's interesting how devoid EGOISM 440 CDP is of holds and jumps compared to Over The "Period" CDP.
I ain't really good at ddr but I used to play it a lot. I NEVER played doubles (i can barely read them lol) and now that I think about it, it's like I've been missing out on an entire game all my life haha
Saw #1 coming from a mile away. If that's not a 20 like you demanded, I'm almost scared to see a real one.
''Tom Goes to the Mayor'!!! see, this is my scene, TGM3, DDR, these are my people.
Unrelated but I always had a question on why DDR A/DDR Supernova feel lenient when playing but X3/SN2/Extreme feel really difficult? I know at some point the placement of the sensors changed but it feels inconsistent when I feel the differences between DDR A and X3!
How much more insane does a chart have to be in order to be rated a 20?
jumps that requires you to press 3 panels at once
1000 BPM Afronova Walks
Mr.TwinArmageddon Oh gosh, don't give them ideas :p
stepmania keyboard charts on pad
Holy fuck the final stream lasts ten full seconds. MORE THAN 10% OF THE ENTIRE SONG.
"WHAT THE FUCK KONANI?" - Dr. D, 2017 and pretty much every other year
Got a new Top 10!
Top 10 Easiest to Pass 17s and 18s
13:31
Number of holds: "1"
There are 2 holds!
Updated hardest MFCs and PFCs
hardest mfc gotta be possession expert
I personally think it's come to life. Possesion is very straight forward. Come to life has some awkward patterns and slowdowns.
also most misrated charts
Finallyyyyy I’ve been asking this for years
EDIT: I think one of the comments was mine lol
Had to revisit this after Breaking the Future...
Do A Top 10 About The Hardest Slowest Songs!
Damn, those last 2 O.O
First time seeing it, and it will be the last XD
Can we get sn update on these series?? There have been a couple of mixes and id like to see those takes from some of the best players on singles and doubles for the new lists
Endymion new #1
I think the last time DDR added a new level was in 2011. It's that time again.
Yo, those last 2 charts were kinda gross.
How about that Rinon theory video you mentioned last year? 😂
In not sure if you take requests for future top tens but I'm interested in seeing what you consider the EASIEST songs in the DDR series or the hardest licensed songs?
Though I can see hardest licensed songs being a little hard to make since you know....copyright for using licensed tracks
Konami: Hey, here's Egoism 440 CDP!
Dr. D: Excuse me, what the fuck?
Does Tokohu evolved still have that shuffled jump at the end or no? Or is it the same jump every time?
This needs an update :)
When I saw that Valkyrie Dimension was #9, I know it wasn't going to be pretty...
top 10 fun/best to play charts (15's, 16, 17's and 18's)
and...
top 10 PARANOiA's
Just out of curiosity, for Tohoku EVOLVED Doubles, what is the positioning of the final jump in the 1020 bpm segment? Is it any random corner on either pad, or just the left one?
Michael Moschella random corner, left pad only.
what are braketers?
DogInDaGrass Bracketing basically refers to positioning your feet on the pad such that your heel and toe of each foot each are on an arrow, so you play a song by simply rocking your feet without having to move around the pad. For obvious reasons this doesn't work in doubles.
Your voice has changed so much since your first top 10s.
I feel dirty after the last 2 charts
How about top 10 most difficult crossovers and jumps? Why not do one of your own like top 10 favourite charts or songs you enjoy?
Can you do Top 10 Hardest DDR Songs Singles (2017) please? That would include some of the DDR Ace Exclusives.
good job dr.d! the end of egoism is brutal! "what tha fuck konaami" hahahaha 😂
Just for funsies... Hardest Beginner Charts?
elemental creation bsp
Top 10 MFC'S (2017-18)
dr d you ever play PIU cuz if u do id like to see that
Isnt it takaske took the record back or was this recorded before that.
Joke's on you Dr. D! I was perfectly able to read the notes in Egoism 440 challenge's death run...at 0.25x video speed!
I Never Played Double, NOT EVEN ONCE
Anyone know what happened with Kobayan?
top 10 best freestyle charts/ routines
Why did you never just type your list in the description
2:22 was the best lol
Do an updated hardest MFCs Chart video.
Johnathan Nop it'll be incorrect after a few weeks
Hmm, how about Doubles PFCs or MFCs?
Egoism 440 Doubles Should Be A 20
@dr.dgaming won't be long before single charts get 16th crossover triplets at 400 BPM I guess. You know konami will do that to a song in the near future.
YOOOO SHOUTOUTS TO MY BOY TSWAG!!!!!!!!!!
wait...#1s song world record is only a A!? damn...
Hi Dr. D how are you?
Omar Reyes hanging in there.
Ryan should start doing the lists 😂😂😂
PIU Doubles>DDR/ITG Doubles
IronNuwgets PIU doubles are MUCH easier than DDR ones, trust me
Reason being?
@@airakogi Since PIU doubles goes up to 28, lvl 19 doubles are very easy in comparison. That's the only reason I can think of.
Pluto the first
If you ever play stepmania, try the stepcharts (mostly for single, doubles ive only made 2) from the DDR Challenge Series song pack. Believe me, you'll grab a warhammer and slam it to the computer when you see the 2 lv. 20s (which are both MAX 300 and MAX Unlimited, but play it and you'll know why), and Trip Machine Phoenix which I had to re-rate to Lv.19, because seriously...
I'm working on CS X-tremiX, and I've even made Soul Crash a legit 17, maybe (I was never sure, tbh), and even playing it on Xmix 3 was painful, damn those crossovers...
Maybe we can collab together when I send out CS2, with POSSESSION and Anti-Matter as it's absolute (and absurdly difficult) boss. CRAP, even thinking about it makes it seem like an CSP 20 and CDP 21...
I feel inspired to make some doubles charts, so thank you. Great top 10, wasn't expecting some songs to be there and at their level :)
クリア難易度にしてもスコア難易度にしても納得できないランキング
Im gonna put this as my honorable meantion: ruclips.net/video/2AWNjfnm5ms/видео.html
Dear. Frikkin. Lord... do i even have to explain this? if you remember the ddr supernova 2 boss rush, you know it is litterally impossible to beat. Not only that, only 2 people made it through this intense challenge. Now imagine doing this on doubles. This is possibly the most atrocious thing this game have to offer. As now you have to do that same thing, but with only 8 arrows, and 5 songs to go through. Yeah... he completed the entire thing on doubles. Making the first ever person to complete the boss rush on doubles.
Max 360 challenge would be a high 22 foot meter. An edit data chart would be a 30 foot meter.
Will be expecting more "What the fuck!?" if we ever do a colaboration to make a top 10 for my challenge series. Just seeing this songlist of available stepcharts should make you cringe: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C6XQAkFS8DFNN0zP8najBKiOK9wZS6OQwKnRsf3xhKE/edit?usp=sharing
Lv.20 SP charts FTW!
Top 10 worst charts.
As Princess Luna would say - "The fun has been doubled!" But I wouldn't call these charts "Fun."