DRIVING A 1996 HONDA ACCORD SUPER TOURING CAR! Onboard and walk through.
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Here is a insight into the 1996 Honda Touring car. Absolutely stunning car and full of tech!
Huge thanks to John Danby Racing and the owner Paul for the day.
Track: Brands Hatch Indy
Hey everyone, thank you so much for the engagement and comments. I am aware that I made a mistake with what engine is in the car. I was simply going off the info from a team member which turned out to be wrong. Apologies. H22 indeed it is.
It Is an h22 destroked, to match the maximum liters for the category. The head was also turned 180 degrees for better efficiency
@@Andrea_eTiyeah turning the head around is bonkers to me. It puts the intake side towards the front of the car. Plus the whole moving it down and back thing, making it a front-mid engine car. I'd love to know more about the engineering that went into it all. The suspension, engine, brakes, adjustable roll bars, all of it.
Team member instead of the engineer
@@Patrick94GSR prequel to the K 😁
@@jkatman what? The H engine has very little in common with the K series engines.
Those were the days, watch the racing on the telly box, then straight onto the Playstation to recreate the magic 😂😂
I know! I wish we had a BTCC game today. Really is such a shame
@@jakehillracing Toca Touring Cars was sublime.....compared to modern SIM racing, very basic but for it's time, a true classic and a proper challenge.... Knockhill in the wet anyone?
@@jakehillracing I was really hoping Motorsport Games were going to come good, but alas, it's dead in the water now! 😢
@@jakehillracing Codemasters making a new ToCA Touring Cars is my ultimate gaming dream… that game was my childhood!
It's the engine sounds they managed to nail on the original toca game that did it for me 🎶
When Honda Accords were still slim and agile enough to be used as a base for race cars, the more recent generations of Accords are like freaking land yachts.
I had the last generation v6 coupe, it had a peppy little j series in it but yeah it wasn’t exactly something you sat in and went “yeah this just needs suspension and some tires and we’re set”
@user-gz9tq9fo5bThe 2021 Accord Sport Touring 2.0T is a sleeper. People are upgrading them to 300-450 WHP, lol. Far from land yachts. Electronic front diff as well if memory serves. Defo agree with you.
10th gen Accords are much bigger, but somehow they are still really light, around 1500 kilos. The 2.0T 10-speed DCT variant is surprisingly fast and nimble in the corners, even stock. It still has that Honda feel. I really don't understand why it's not sold in Europe, it's better than all the competition and even much more expensive cars.
Is the nostalgia speaking for you.
The 7th gen is superior to the 6th gen, both mechanically and aerodynamically. The body lines give it a bit more agile look and feeling, the k24a3 is base for any tuners nowadays, being one the most iconic honda engines, and the weight is not bad either for a manual Honda Accord CL9.
The most chunkiest and under-performing Honda Accord I personally believe to be the 8th gen.
@@vladimirtalijanškoda octavia rs enters the chat
Aaand thats why we dont have cool hondas because we have cool škodas though, and i swear to god, i saw a fabia or scala or whatever it was, that pulled like a mf, i was trying to chase it down with a mercedes c230k which is no slouch, up there and even faster than a gti, yet, no, it went like crazy, i gave up the chase and and gave him all fours and flashed while i was still in his visible field, waay behind, stock looking base model is what it was, perfect for a sleeper! Godspees little škoda, may your roads be empty and your rear lights be seen by plenty, oh mighty little Škoda
Modern day BTCC cars just don't have the magic and soul of the 90s super tourers.
Totally agree. However I do still feel the racing is just as good most of the time. But we don’t have 10m budgets like the 90’s
I see the problem with size of today cars. On 90s cars you can feel lightness and steering abilities while new ones are just inflated liveless vehicles.
Like F1, it’s just follow the leader . All cars look the same. I gave up watching several seasons ago.
Great content and awesome car but as stated the engine isn’t a b18 it’s a reverse head f20 I’m pretty sure which is basically a de stroked h22 with the cylinder head turned 180 degrease to allow for forward facing intake.. engineering greatness…
Yes, you are correct. The engine is destroked H22A to 2.0 liters. Reverse cylinder head was done by Neil Brown Engineering in UK.
@@edwardclark8808And guess what they did with the next engine evolution in the K series, flipped the head around so that the intake is on the front and the headers can have a better flow out the back. This car/engine design literally changed how Honda did engine design.
Yes, the K series design is big step forward for dohc VTEC engines with VTC on the intake camshafts. The mostly stock K20A powertrain took 1-2 place in the 24 hrs of tokachi race in the 2.0 liter class with Beam Racing Integra Type R. Also, Mugen used destroked H22A engine for Formula 3 engine called MF204.
Also, of that vintage b engines were in civic and integrated whereas h engines were in prelude and accord
It’s more likely he engineered is rotated, not head. These are a slant engine and they slant rearward , it now slants forwards indicating an engine reversal probably to accomodate the sequential transmission. It would also be convenient for heat control. Furthermore, can drive area, rotate head 180, ??
The old touring cars where the best 👍
Btcc was some of the first Motorsport I watched as a kid. My mom was sick with cancer and my brother and I would just sit around on weekends and watch touring cars. It's great to see this thing out thanks for sharing.
I'm not an expert but that doesn't look like a B18. Looks like a H series engine and with a little bit of research its a 2.0L aswell. So maybe they destroked a H22?
The super touring era was such a great time to grow up watching racing. This and the Primera were my 2 favourite cars
Awesome Primera feature to come later this year
I agree. I loved it!
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I NEEDED THIS VIDEO? Seriously, I was searching for 1996 HONDA Super Touring Accord last month because I was thinking how awesome those cars were. And this pops up on my feed. They still are awesome!
I recently watched an old Best Motoring clip (basically Japanese Top Gear meets Gran Turismo IRL) from the mid-90s where a Japanese Touring car Accord raced against some 90s Japanese Group A and GT500 cars around Tsukuba - it put up a surprisingly good fight and sounded absolutely glorious while doing so!
Would love to see you drive the final ultimate spec super touring v6 mondeo & an eggenberger rs 500 😁
Honda purists are coming after you for saying the engine is a B18 Jake 😂.
Great video thanks
Haha only going off the info given to me by the team, supposedly it’s a B18 bored out to a 2.0. Don’t shoot the messenger 😂
Yeah definitely not a B18 😂 it’s the F20B which was an engine designed specifically for homologation into touring car racing. Closely related to the H22 but not completely the same.
@@jakehillracinghaha not shooting the messenger bud, great to see content on these cars. FYI it's an F20 engine with the head reversed, not related to the B series at all.
Lol shame on them 😂
man I love these cars. Back in the 90's, Neuspeed ran a similar version of this same Accord (yellow livery), for the VERY short-lived NATCC, driven by Randy Pobst. I can still remember seeing that car on the cover of a magazine back then (probably Sport Compact Car), and it suddenly clicked in my head that those were the cars I liked, at around age 16. Japanese imports, lowered, big wheels, which I thought could still be cool even if they were sedans. I was always drawing cars from a young age, but basically the Neuspeed NATCC Accord is what got me into import cars specifically.
Love this era but still can't beat the RS500s and M3s
And R32 GTR Group A 😉 but yes the group A cars in general were just fantastic also
So THIS is the inspiration for the Ibishu Pessima touring car!
That noise! Probably the obvious question, but how do these SuperTourers from the 90s compare with the modern day BTCC cars? I'm guessing they're much lighter for a start!
If you get a chance to check out the 1999 BTCC Nissan Primera and then check the engine size compared to the regs, well i will leave it there............ ;)
I know the car well. I won 4 out of 4 in the Aiello car at the super tourer festival here in the UK. And yes… know what you mean
that looks H22 with cylinder head reserved. Amazing car!
It is
i always understood it to be a 2.0 variant of the h22
@@SimbaSoundPower aka F20B...
@@maatu_boenot an F, a destroked H22.
@@Patrick94GSR exactly what a f20b is
I just played TOCA on my ps1 after 25 years, and youtube recommends mi this video. :)
It's because of cars like these that historic racing has become so popular.
Hopefully you can get your hands on a RS500 and M3 for us to drool over 🤞
The 90s just did it better....
I hope youll get hands on Mondeo or S40!
This is the content! I was a teenager back in the day watching these at Oulton I'll never forget. Thx for posting this.
Great insight into the Accord. Like you said it’s amazing how technologically advanced these cars were nearly 30 years ago. I guess they took advantage of the era they found themselves in.
My first memory of attending a BTCC event is hearing the Volvo scream up Knockhill’s main straight. Sweet ❤
What I love is throughout the super touring age there was simply no stone left unturned. Therefor the cars were master pieces
I remember going to watch these back in the day, such good looking cars and the sound!!👌
Likewise. Gutted really, I was born in the wrong era. All racing in the 90’s was just so much cooler
Yep we did a good job at MSD, mine and Stuart's wiring still lives on, although I see some electrical panels have been moved, different logging system now as well....hope to see it at Brands soon 👍
Fantastic vlog Jake. Those cars being back so many amazing memories
Don’t they just! Special special time
nice car mate.
love the appreciation you have for the 90's JDM legends ;)
Oh mate this is only the beginning
Stunning beaut but B18??
Awesome!, Remember thiis as it was yesterday! :)...Regards from S40 Sweden ;)
Man knows nothing of the car 🙈
B18 engine 😂😂
Only going off the info from the team. Supposedly it’s a B18 bored out to a 2.0.
@@jakehillracing - noo its a h22 with a flipped head by neil brown engineering ,, as the intake on stock H22-F20 engines was at the back ,, and the H22 engines was destroked for the btcc 2.0 rules
Big H series fanboy here 🙈😂😂
Such a underrated engine and chassis the accords
Perfect. Happy to learn, thank you for the info!
90s BTCC was absolutely amazing.
Remember watching these in the 90s and going to the races I’ve recently started goin again been oulton and Croft loved it donington next👌
Raced my Lotus against these in the Arrowpack Euro Saloons series Hondas, Nissan and Fords absolute mega cars.
ive dreamt of having a go in a super tourer since i was 13 and TOCA came out on the PS1. Would give all my internal organs to have a go in a 1999 Vauxhaul Vectra Super Touring Car.
You and me both. Toca touring cars on PS1 was epic. I would kill to drive the Peugeot 406 Super Touring car
@@Strhitman450AJ Arent we a pair! 😂
Bar the BMW of the time that was the car for me. Looks bloody awesome and sounds bloody awesome too.. Thank you for the trip back in time.
Didnt know you had your own channel Jake. Loving the super tourer content.
H22. It b18. The head is reversed (like the modern k20) so the intake is in the front. Genius engineering
Phwoar what a beaut! And that sound! Thanks a lot for sharing, takes me back...
Thats a reverse head H series not b18! Possibility of F20b, h22a, or even a h23a but forsure reverse head h22! ❤
For me the most beautiful touring car ever...and ive had the street version coz the shape of this car is just timeless. Thanks for sharing! Great sound even with the dumb silencer (i know, new wonderful times meanwhile)....
Looks more like a H22 or F20B engine judging by the valve cover..
Shame they've crashed this yesterday at donington park
Brilliant Jake 👌🏻 How does it compare to the modern day touring car with acceleration, speed etc?
Such a good video. Being 28 years old, but also besring in mind the huge budgets, how does it stack up compared to modern cars?
Takes me back I'm remember watching this at brands . Awesome car .
David Leslie was my favourite driver as a kid. Not Plato or menu or rydell ext ext, So sad when I heard he passed. I've always wondered what happened to those old super touring cars. Gorgeous bit of kit. Glad to see it running
Toca super touring cars where the group B rally cars and group C le man cars of the day just monsters of which we’ll never see again. Memories of mansell in the ford mondeo just mega memories. Feel
Sorry for kids of this generation of the bore fest that is F1 and touring cars today
one cool car as Honda BTC fan. Very impressed! Love the way it's built so much detail for a race car, is it similar to the car, Matt neal would of drove
Fell in love ❤❤❤with
Great video, Jake! How does this compare pace wise to your 3 series? Appreciate it’s difficult to tell in the wet but curious to know if it would be any faster
How does this compare with the modern Touring Cars that you drive today?
Much much nicer chassis simply because of the weight. Our cars today are over 1300kg and back then they were 1000kg
Proper Car the super tourer! Great driver is Jake, really hope he wins BTCC title this year..
Awesome Vid, 90s Btcc was the nutz to watch. Can't wait for this season to start lol
Absolutely loved this era & that car is mega. I own a bike engine kit car & looking to get out on track a bit this year, I really need to perfect the left foot breaking with blips on downshifts as it also has a sequential gearbox, any tips?
b18? thats a h22 with the cylimder head casted the other way around,the intake face the front of the car
Great video just a small correction, that is an H series engine with a reversed head, not a b18. 😁
Έτσι πρέπει να είναι τα Χοντα .Γρηγορα και με εξαιρετικό ήχο....Μεχρι το s2000 ήταν οκ. Μετά κάτι χάλασε.
Thanks for the very cool video.
At about 1:50 there's a large drop of water that enters the cabin and falls in the little recess directly behind the shifter, next to a box of what appears to be electronics!
Did that just come through the window on a very wet day, or did the car have a leak somewhere?
old enough to remember the old rs500,s andy rouse an all that but this is still a lovely piece of engineering
I saw the Italian fashion brand Enny sponsor on the front and I initially thought it was one of James Kaye’s
8 years on the island and still not bumped into him mind!!
love this car in dtm racer for playstation.
was a touring car racing game from codemasters
it was hilarious
these 2.0 300hp cars are awesome
great to see someone havin fun with these cars.
Got to do an Audi super tourer, they took btcc to another level.
Sadly now bent after a first lap trip into the wall at Donnington Park 😟
I’m pretty sure that I remember seeing these cars in a magazine back in the day.
Great car and video, shame about the weather, maybe you should get it back on a dry track and try for some lap times another day. Looking forward to more vids, thanks
I miss the Super Tourer era, those cars were on another level
U are the man...watching from malaysia
Was that a TVR cerbera dash, maybe I missed you say it
Golden Age of Japanese performance cars!
Epic thank you for sharing my favourite touring car era
Toca touring cars forever ❤️🙌
What an Era for Honda racing.
Def not a B18, great video though
ABSOLUTELY NO CRAPPY INTRO YESSSSSSSSSS
Touring cars died after the super tourer era
B18? I thought it was an H series with a reversed head 🤔
Why lowering was so popular
HONDA VITEC SOUND！👍 Vaaaaaa Va Vaaaaaa Va Vaaaaaa Vaun Vaun Vaaa Vaaaaaa 🎶
We we're blessed to have the Super Tourers in the UK. Thanks for the video.
I love Honda👍Very nice Car😍
Accords are mad underrated. Loved the vid!
Reminded me of the game TOCA 2.
Makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. 👌👌👌
It does the same when driving it mate I can assure you 🙌🏻
Is it still front wheel drive?
That is not a B18 in there, nor is it an F20. It's an actual H22 with its head reversed.
They used F20Bs because the class only allowed 2 liters
F20 exactly same block but has iron sleeves, I doubt they used H22s because of the frm sleeves
@@maatu_boe that's not why,it was the manufacturer rule back then. Honda made the F20b to run in this 2 liter class
@@maatu_boe I have a stock F20b with pro2 cams ported manifold etc revving to 9k making about 265 crank hp
I love that it still has a dashboard
Jake I can’t wait to see you at brands hatch for BTCC qualifying and race day!
Mega, come and say hello!
@@jakehillracing CANT BELIEVE YOU REPLIED ( for Christmas I got the whole set of merch
The transmission is amazing
The onboard sound could almost pass for a flat plane V8, what an insane sounding 4 banger
F20b vtec 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Wait... It's powered by a b18? You tricked me! I always thought it was a h23?
Think the largest volume was 2.0 in that era.
The Glory days 👍🇬🇧🏁
Is that a genuine engine?
Get it put on the road.
Peak BTCC 💪
h series or b series?🧐
This era will never be beaten what a great video! 1994 my first year at Silverstone, watching the Volvo 850 estate, gives me goose bumps even to this day!
I agree the cars will never be that level again without the same investment. Although we don’t have the same rivalries anymore I do believe the racing is just as close!