I’m and INTP and I always had a problem with some of the dialogue around ISTJs and how they are the most common type, when I read up on them and think about them they don’t sound like many people I know at all. I think a healthy ISTJ is a force to be reckoned with, and as boring at it may sound their is a great amount knowledge to be learned from thinking inside the box as well as outside.
I think my father is an Istj. He's pragmatic and less emotional. He's a very hardworking person. He started working at the company in the lowest position, he worked his way up for years and now he's one of the assistant managers. He's also a genuine and a humble person. I love him.
My father is an istj too. A tip for if you want to bond with him is to have him teach you something about something he knows a lot about. ISTJs usually like to learn facts and can teach you a lot of facts about something they're interested in.
@@uncommonmix thanks for the tip! I've noticed this with him too. He enjoys talking about anything he is interested in, and he frequently draws examples from his own experiences.
While his service in Spain and the Waterloo campaign is more well-known, Wellington's ISTJ-ness is best seen in his Indian campaign. Wellington took improvised British tactics and turned them into a methodical system for dealing with Mysore. His actions were very effective, and served to bring him to the forefront in the Napoleonic wars.
The ISTJ leader I know excelled in his field, up to the point his way of doing things was no longer serving the situation. When he finally recognized and accepted this, he stepped down and stepped into a mentoring role for the person who replaced him. Far from the new manager being "better," I'm convinced that it's actually the combination of experience and fresh ideas that is leading things in a positive direction.
Thank you for this video Nathan. As an ISTJ who has ESTJ father running a company and I inherited it in the future if I’m capable enough. To this point every thing in my life i try to make it ‘incremental changes/development’ without skipping any stage/step that needs to take on my life journey. That’s... just an approach if there’s no huge challenge that throws in my way, and it may inevitably...will. So yeah, now i’m in the preparing stage of it. 🙏😅 Thank you for pointing out our journey to become better version of ourselves ☺️
@@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied It seems to me you thought that I implied that some people are inherently remarkable. If that's the case, be sure it is not what I meant. My point was that people who achieved the "status" of been remarkable are likely to have integrated the tertiary function too.
Whenever I read ISTJ leaders, I always think of Stannis Baratheon from A Song of Ice and Fire lol. I'm not sure if he can be included here, because he's a fictional character, but I think he's a very good example of an ISTJ leader. He's very serious, has strong principles and moral justice, also he doesn't tolerate bullshit from anyone. He's considered less than other leaders because he can't be bothered with social conveniences, and is very strict about following traditions. For me, he can be a great leader, when you compare to other candidates, you know he's going to get things done and bring justice to people; besides, he's the only king who cared about the real threat to the kingdom.
I completely agree. As an ISTJ he was the person I identified with and respected the most. As someone outside the story I could easily see where he could have done things a little differently but still maintained his convictions. In my own life, it’s difficult to see things from a different perspective because it feels like I’m being wishy washy (which I avoid) or being unclear concerning Truth. Thankfully I have an INTJ for a BFF and an INFP for my son, and I completely trust both to help me see a different path.
I am an INTP and there's surprisingly lots of similarities between me and The Duke of Wellington's leadership style. One of the distinct differences is that I already leave plenty of room for improvements and new input, that is what worries me the most it's if whether I've done enough for something to work perfectly and whether I've learned enough to remember them like it's second nature. Edit: it bugged me that it didn't end with a period.
I like the fact that the more passive IJ won the arrogant ETJ. That's like a slap in their face telling the to be humble and learn, no matter how they consider they are superior.
Yes, Angela Merkel had a fashion designer (not stylist) - the Hamburg based Bettina Schoenbach. She is the creator of those signature Merkel jackets and trouser sets. Shortly after Merkel started, some of my friends went into the store but were nearly kicked out because they asked if they could take some photos (which was for their studies). This is a designer that dresses the "quiet money" traditional Hamburg elite and wants nothing to do with screaming brands and logos or any sort of flashy exposure.
Who next? As an INTJ, I obviously want to see INTJ, but ENTJ and ESTJ are probably more prominent amongst leaders. INTP, INFJ, ENTP, and ESTP would probably make for some unusual leaders...
Interesting that you feel so about infjs😅 As an INFJ myself, I don’t think I would make a great leader at all. My low Fi makes me too vulnerable for critics and my inferior function Se makes it too difficult for me to set my plans to work. I do however feel that INTPs would make great leaders. Their perceiving function is a great source of spontaneous ideas and flexible solutions😉
@@e--vlin4974 TBH, I was thinking of some rather damaged INFJ who grew up in a difficult environment. They had to learn it the hard way... My guess is that they become a bit more like an INTJ, but on one side remain better at F(E) (our blindspot), and on the downside struggle much more with the consequences of their decisions (when they have to make tough ones)
When I read “ISTJ leaders” I KNEW you were going to talk about Angela Merkel. She represents the ISTJ’s greatest strengths and weaknesses: she’s extremely pragmatic, consistent and reliable, which helped Germany and also the EU through a whole lot of crises (many would hve collapsed under the pressure of the refugee crises), but she’s also very unadaptable and has huge problems keeping up with the quickly changing modern times, which is a huge reason why we are so far behind when it comes to technology and environmental issues. Great video!
I think it would be interesting to compare what kinds of leaders are prevalent in what places. Both examples here are European. I think examples from the US would tend more toward extroverted leaders. Will thee be examples from Africa and South America in future episodes?
INFP Leaders 1. Justin Trudeau: Prime Minister of Canada 2. Joan of Arc: National heroine of France 3. Kurt Cobain: Lead guitarist of Nirvana & Grunge pioneer From INFJ M 😋
Always attempting to lure in the ISTJs but never delivering....Do you really think ISTJs enjoy such cavalier and unfulfilled promises? MOAR ISTJ VIDEOS, SWINE INTERNET HUMAN! (You're not really swine, I enjoy your content greatly)
Merkel was also the democratic leader that got rid of any serious competition in her environment... This reminds me of another German ISTJ, uhm... politician... In all seriousness, she threw out competence in exchange for loyalty, which effectively dumbed down the entire parliament! A lot of Germanies problems date back to her, especially with that action... This doesn't mean that there are no good ISTJs. My former boss was one. I had the feeling that people somewhat feared him, but I couldn't see why (besides him being probably boring at parties). He was down to earth and his two defining qualities were being pragmatic and rational. He made sure that everything went smoothly, but when something was amiss, you could talk to him and convince him to change things.
@@jimclayson I'm INTJ and feel the same. I'll quote the anime Full Metal Alchemist; Roy Mustang: _Any man who has the brains to think and the nerve to act for the benefit of the people of the country is considered a radical by those who are content with stagnation and willing to endure disaster._
Depends on many factors, allegedly both INTJ and ENTJ are natural born leaders just with different ways of leading. However given that history's greatest military leaders of all times like Napoleon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar were all ENTJ. I'd have to say ENTJ > INTJ for this one
Te being before Ni means that ENTJs tend to be more adaptable than we INTJs are, which is very useful on the battlefield. Not so good in politics though.
It's amazing to see them in action until they turn that cold and unbridled ability to preserve order right on you. . . Feels like hell especially if you're an INFP lol
Lol is right. I’m an INFP, and spent 30 years with an ISTJ. He probably suffered in silence for the most part, living with me, but I felt like I was living with a dutiful butler. When he finally told me that he loved me “just as much as the rest of the world” I moved on. Our offspring = INTJ X 2, son and daughter, then INFP son, whom I relate to most often, and lastly, INFP daughter, and great flounderer, like me.
@@117Industries if you read about his actions, he was much more reactionary in nature than an ENTJ. He often forced himself into situations where he had no choice do try some of things. Eg the gaulic campaign being a reaction to him accumulating vast amounts of debt that he used for partying.
@@theprinceofithica1238 Yeaahhhh- I don’t buy that for a second pal. This is just yet more revisionism. Caesar may have come towards the end of an empire but he was no fuckboy. You might deem my efforts at pushing back to be hopeless. So be it. But it’s futile to try that revised history on me because I’m never ever going to buy it. Carry on elsewhere my friend.
Have have you read the Gaulica de bellum? His legions were often on the virge of annihilation because he did not plan things a head such at Alicia. The thing that kept Caesar allive was his ability to make rapid unplanned decisions and commit to them.
I think that you should have a qualifier criteria when trying to decide which type is what type for this. There is the nemessis and inferior function. Each one of them have different manifestations. For an ISTJ it would be Se nemesis. I'm gonna simply say that Se is awarness. In relation to Si dom state it would create a constant opposition between what was and what is. The challange of the nemesis here is to adapt a given state to the substance or changing reality Ne inferior. For an INTJ, on the other hand, it would be Ni vision as dom with Ne substance as nemesis. Here it would be the opposition more between what is considered right and what the INTJ thinks is right. The dynamic is kind of similar in that here is about about adapting a given vision to the current reality or awarness of it Se inferior. In this way both types can appear quite similar. The difference then is between the ISTJ need to concede his state Si dom to the current awarness of reality Se nemessis in order to account for the substance of reality that changed Ne inferior. For the ISTJ it builds a technique or method. The method needs to account for all the practical and technical aspects or awarness of reality itself in order to be in congruence with it's substance. For the INTJ it is that the vision Ni needs to concede to the substance Ne nemesis in terms of it needs to incorporate all aspects of it in order to be an accurate representation or awarness of reality itself Se inferior. The INTJ builds a map. The map needs to have mapped out all territory by having all substance in it before being used as an awarness tool for reality. This is also a constant process whereby the ISTJ is challanged by new technical aspects of reality Se awarness that needs to be put in congruence with the substance Ne inferior of his method and state Si. For the INTJ is challanged by new substances Ne that he needs to be able to portray them in the awarness of reality Se so that his vision Ni would be relevant. Overall the difference is that the gift of the ISTJ is a method while that of an INTJ is a vision or paradigm. Both need to maintain that gift and they do it by being challanged by the nemesis function so that the self would be forced to take care of the inferior. Overall that's when this is in a balanced state. But in an unbalanced state. The vision or ideal can became redundant and the method can became a vision, if it is not maintained. The fact of the gentlemen warfare was not a method but a vision or ideal that became redundant. Wellington as well as other generals at that time upholded that ideal. Hence why I don't think that Wellington was necessarily an ISTJ but he could have been an Ni dom. And Merkel I don't see as being an ISTJ either. She could be an ENTP.
Now... ENFP leader? I feel like we are easy to assume we'd be bad leaders, but I disagree. Our analytical side can be very detailed and specific, going hand-in-hand with our broad view of everything linking together on a hidden level that other people wouldn't see because they see the literal details while ENFP's can see the hidden meaning, or implications. I just have no idea who is a real good ENFP leader in history. ENFP leaders come up in video games, lol, but they aren't always portrayed with this hidden analytical side that I see in myself. I'm speaking mostly about myself, but, I think an ENFP leader would start as an advisor and love being the advisor and not want to be the leader. Then something happens and the ENFP gets stuck as a leader, only to realize they can do it really darn well. My experience was mostly being a camp counselor, or an Auntie, but I think it can apply to other ENFP's too.
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wath do you think if i tell you that napoleon was an intj 8w7?
I’m and INTP and I always had a problem with some of the dialogue around ISTJs and how they are the most common type, when I read up on them and think about them they don’t sound like many people I know at all. I think a healthy ISTJ is a force to be reckoned with, and as boring at it may sound their is a great amount knowledge to be learned from thinking inside the box as well as outside.
Appreciate it
Duke of Wellington is so underrated.
"Amateurs talk strategy. Professionals talk logistics." - General Omar Nelson Bradley
Good politics is boring politics. If people never really think much about you, you're probably doing a good job.
Depends…
I think my father is an Istj. He's pragmatic and less emotional. He's a very hardworking person. He started working at the company in the lowest position, he worked his way up for years and now he's one of the assistant managers. He's also a genuine and a humble person. I love him.
My father is an istj too. A tip for if you want to bond with him is to have him teach you something about something he knows a lot about. ISTJs usually like to learn facts and can teach you a lot of facts about something they're interested in.
@@uncommonmix thanks for the tip! I've noticed this with him too. He enjoys talking about anything he is interested in, and he frequently draws examples from his own experiences.
While his service in Spain and the Waterloo campaign is more well-known, Wellington's ISTJ-ness is best seen in his Indian campaign.
Wellington took improvised British tactics and turned them into a methodical system for dealing with Mysore. His actions were very effective, and served to bring him to the forefront in the Napoleonic wars.
The ISTJ leader I know excelled in his field, up to the point his way of doing things was no longer serving the situation. When he finally recognized and accepted this, he stepped down and stepped into a mentoring role for the person who replaced him. Far from the new manager being "better," I'm convinced that it's actually the combination of experience and fresh ideas that is leading things in a positive direction.
This is one of those special videos I keep saved and watch it every now and then. Thank you for your insights!
This feels strangely serendipitous. I have a meeting in a few hours with someone very important and the topic is "leadership."
Go on. Colour me intrigued. Who’s this important person, eh? You braggart, you. 😉
@@117Industries Haha, important to me. ;)
@@SmittenKitten. Important to you might be as well to others!
@@117Industries That's true!!
@@SmittenKitten. Go on then- spill the beans!
Thank you for this video Nathan. As an ISTJ who has ESTJ father running a company and I inherited it in the future if I’m capable enough.
To this point every thing in my life i try to make it ‘incremental changes/development’ without skipping any stage/step that needs to take on my life journey. That’s... just an approach if there’s no huge challenge that throws in my way, and it may inevitably...will. So yeah, now i’m in the preparing stage of it. 🙏😅
Thank you for pointing out our journey to become better version of ourselves ☺️
I like how you put the terciary function as an strength. Even though It is not portrait as one, it can definitely be, specially for remarkable people.
@@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied It seems to me you thought that I implied that some people are inherently remarkable. If that's the case, be sure it is not what I meant. My point was that people who achieved the "status" of been remarkable are likely to have integrated the tertiary function too.
Just a comment to show appreciation for your hard work 😇 Thank you and I wish you to have a great week ahead 🙏🏻✌🏻
Generic supportive comment because I don't have anything interesting to say right now, but engagement exists.
[INFJ]
Agreed. My mindset in a nutshell. As a child people hated playing me in chess and checkers.
Whenever I read ISTJ leaders, I always think of Stannis Baratheon from A Song of Ice and Fire lol. I'm not sure if he can be included here, because he's a fictional character, but I think he's a very good example of an ISTJ leader. He's very serious, has strong principles and moral justice, also he doesn't tolerate bullshit from anyone. He's considered less than other leaders because he can't be bothered with social conveniences, and is very strict about following traditions.
For me, he can be a great leader, when you compare to other candidates, you know he's going to get things done and bring justice to people; besides, he's the only king who cared about the real threat to the kingdom.
I completely agree. As an ISTJ he was the person I identified with and respected the most. As someone outside the story I could easily see where he could have done things a little differently but still maintained his convictions. In my own life, it’s difficult to see things from a different perspective because it feels like I’m being wishy washy (which I avoid) or being unclear concerning Truth. Thankfully I have an INTJ for a BFF and an INFP for my son, and I completely trust both to help me see a different path.
I am an INTP and there's surprisingly lots of similarities between me and The Duke of Wellington's leadership style. One of the distinct differences is that I already leave plenty of room for improvements and new input, that is what worries me the most it's if whether I've done enough for something to work perfectly and whether I've learned enough to remember them like it's second nature.
Edit: it bugged me that it didn't end with a period.
I like the fact that the more passive IJ won the arrogant ETJ. That's like a slap in their face telling the to be humble and learn, no matter how they consider they are superior.
Yes, Angela Merkel had a fashion designer (not stylist) - the Hamburg based Bettina Schoenbach. She is the creator of those signature Merkel jackets and trouser sets. Shortly after Merkel started, some of my friends went into the store but were nearly kicked out because they asked if they could take some photos (which was for their studies). This is a designer that dresses the "quiet money" traditional Hamburg elite and wants nothing to do with screaming brands and logos or any sort of flashy exposure.
Who next?
As an INTJ, I obviously want to see INTJ, but ENTJ and ESTJ are probably more prominent amongst leaders. INTP, INFJ, ENTP, and ESTP would probably make for some unusual leaders...
Interesting that you feel so about infjs😅 As an INFJ myself, I don’t think I would make a great leader at all. My low Fi makes me too vulnerable for critics and my inferior function Se makes it too difficult for me to set my plans to work. I do however feel that INTPs would make great leaders. Their perceiving function is a great source of spontaneous ideas and flexible solutions😉
@@e--vlin4974 TBH, I was thinking of some rather damaged INFJ who grew up in a difficult environment. They had to learn it the hard way...
My guess is that they become a bit more like an INTJ, but on one side remain better at F(E) (our blindspot), and on the downside struggle much more with the consequences of their decisions (when they have to make tough ones)
Great idea for a series dude! I am excited for the next one!
When I read “ISTJ leaders” I KNEW you were going to talk about Angela Merkel. She represents the ISTJ’s greatest strengths and weaknesses: she’s extremely pragmatic, consistent and reliable, which helped Germany and also the EU through a whole lot of crises (many would hve collapsed under the pressure of the refugee crises), but she’s also very unadaptable and has huge problems keeping up with the quickly changing modern times, which is a huge reason why we are so far behind when it comes to technology and environmental issues.
Great video!
How very true!
Helped? In large part she was responsible for the migrant crisis. If she had just shut the border there would have been far less of an issue.
Very nice presentation..
series looks good :)
I think it would be interesting to compare what kinds of leaders are prevalent in what places. Both examples here are European. I think examples from the US would tend more toward extroverted leaders. Will thee be examples from Africa and South America in future episodes?
Could you please do ISFJ next if you may?
Im entp but im starting to mature and love Si function❤
Thank you.
I want to hear about ENTPs
Can't wait for INFPs it will be a short video, we don't do leadership
Buddha, I guess.
INFP Leaders
1. Justin Trudeau: Prime Minister of Canada
2. Joan of Arc: National heroine of France
3. Kurt Cobain: Lead guitarist of Nirvana & Grunge pioneer
From INFJ M 😋
I am an istj. If istj are the most common type howcome I have never met another me.
I know, right?
More please
INTP next!
Always attempting to lure in the ISTJs but never delivering....Do you really think ISTJs enjoy such cavalier and unfulfilled promises?
MOAR ISTJ VIDEOS, SWINE INTERNET HUMAN! (You're not really swine, I enjoy your content greatly)
Merkel was also the democratic leader that got rid of any serious competition in her environment... This reminds me of another German ISTJ, uhm... politician...
In all seriousness, she threw out competence in exchange for loyalty, which effectively dumbed down the entire parliament! A lot of Germanies problems date back to her, especially with that action...
This doesn't mean that there are no good ISTJs. My former boss was one. I had the feeling that people somewhat feared him, but I couldn't see why (besides him being probably boring at parties). He was down to earth and his two defining qualities were being pragmatic and rational. He made sure that everything went smoothly, but when something was amiss, you could talk to him and convince him to change things.
@@jimclayson I'm INTJ and feel the same.
I'll quote the anime Full Metal Alchemist; Roy Mustang: _Any man who has the brains to think and the nerve to act for the benefit of the people of the country is considered a radical by those who are content with stagnation and willing to endure disaster._
Interesting. A historical success, and a historical failure.
So what I got from this was INTJ beats an ENTJ in war.
Depends on many factors, allegedly both INTJ and ENTJ are natural born leaders just with different ways of leading.
However given that history's greatest military leaders of all times like Napoleon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar were all ENTJ. I'd have to say ENTJ > INTJ for this one
Te being before Ni means that ENTJs tend to be more adaptable than we INTJs are, which is very useful on the battlefield. Not so good in politics though.
It's amazing to see them in action until they turn that cold and unbridled ability to preserve order right on you. . .
Feels like hell especially if you're an INFP lol
Lol is right. I’m an INFP, and spent 30 years with an ISTJ. He probably suffered in silence for the most part, living with me, but I felt like I was living with a dutiful butler. When he finally told me that he loved me “just as much as the rest of the world” I moved on. Our offspring = INTJ X 2, son and daughter, then INFP son, whom I relate to most often, and lastly, INFP daughter, and great flounderer, like me.
Where's the INTP?
You should choose Gaius Jullius Caeser for esfp.
You think Caesar, Julius, was ESFP?? Nahhhh- ENTJ through to the bone!! To the core man!
Really?? ESFP for ol’ Jules eh?
@@117Industries if you read about his actions, he was much more reactionary in nature than an ENTJ. He often forced himself into situations where he had no choice do try some of things. Eg the gaulic campaign being a reaction to him accumulating vast amounts of debt that he used for partying.
@@theprinceofithica1238 Yeaahhhh- I don’t buy that for a second pal. This is just yet more revisionism. Caesar may have come towards the end of an empire but he was no fuckboy.
You might deem my efforts at pushing back to be hopeless. So be it. But it’s futile to try that revised history on me because I’m never ever going to buy it. Carry on elsewhere my friend.
Have have you read the Gaulica de bellum? His legions were often on the virge of annihilation because he did not plan things a head such at Alicia. The thing that kept Caesar allive was his ability to make rapid unplanned decisions and commit to them.
I think that you should have a qualifier criteria when trying to decide which type is what type for this.
There is the nemessis and inferior function. Each one of them have different manifestations.
For an ISTJ it would be Se nemesis. I'm gonna simply say that Se is awarness. In relation to Si dom state it would create a constant opposition between what was and what is.
The challange of the nemesis here is to adapt a given state to the substance or changing reality Ne inferior.
For an INTJ, on the other hand, it would be Ni vision as dom with Ne substance as nemesis. Here it would be the opposition more between what is considered right and what the INTJ thinks is right. The dynamic is kind of similar in that here is about about adapting a given vision to the current reality or awarness of it Se inferior.
In this way both types can appear quite similar. The difference then is between the ISTJ need to concede his state Si dom to the current awarness of reality Se nemessis in order to account for the substance of reality that changed Ne inferior. For the ISTJ it builds a technique or method. The method needs to account for all the practical and technical aspects or awarness of reality itself in order to be in congruence with it's substance.
For the INTJ it is that the vision Ni needs to concede to the substance Ne nemesis in terms of it needs to incorporate all aspects of it in order to be an accurate representation or awarness of reality itself Se inferior. The INTJ builds a map. The map needs to have mapped out all territory by having all substance in it before being used as an awarness tool for reality.
This is also a constant process whereby the ISTJ is challanged by new technical aspects of reality Se awarness that needs to be put in congruence with the substance Ne inferior of his method and state Si.
For the INTJ is challanged by new substances Ne that he needs to be able to portray them in the awarness of reality Se so that his vision Ni would be relevant.
Overall the difference is that the gift of the ISTJ is a method while that of an INTJ is a vision or paradigm.
Both need to maintain that gift and they do it by being challanged by the nemesis function so that the self would be forced to take care of the inferior.
Overall that's when this is in a balanced state. But in an unbalanced state. The vision or ideal can became redundant and the method can became a vision, if it is not maintained.
The fact of the gentlemen warfare was not a method but a vision or ideal that became redundant. Wellington as well as other generals at that time upholded that ideal.
Hence why I don't think that Wellington was necessarily an ISTJ but he could have been an Ni dom.
And Merkel I don't see as being an ISTJ either. She could be an ENTP.
Isn't Levi Ackerman an ISTJ?
He is typed as ISTP in PDB
Reaaally interesting! Thank you!! Could you do ENFP and INFJ/INTJ?
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Now... ENFP leader? I feel like we are easy to assume we'd be bad leaders, but I disagree. Our analytical side can be very detailed and specific, going hand-in-hand with our broad view of everything linking together on a hidden level that other people wouldn't see because they see the literal details while ENFP's can see the hidden meaning, or implications.
I just have no idea who is a real good ENFP leader in history. ENFP leaders come up in video games, lol, but they aren't always portrayed with this hidden analytical side that I see in myself.
I'm speaking mostly about myself, but, I think an ENFP leader would start as an advisor and love being the advisor and not want to be the leader. Then something happens and the ENFP gets stuck as a leader, only to realize they can do it really darn well. My experience was mostly being a camp counselor, or an Auntie, but I think it can apply to other ENFP's too.
We are more interested in INFJ leaders. You know this type of guys with the mustache.😃