I agree for $200+for the greedy company knives, ill take the hand made spring steel $44 blade from thailand thats just not as pretty but performs better and had love put into it (even if the love came out of not wanting to being hungry)
Well he's showing you the quality of workmanship. That translates to man hours hence more money. Then if you paid US workers less to complete, that would affect you in your quality of life and I'm not talking about the product but everything from the roads you drive on to what you eat.
Until you put a little pressure on that metal and it breaks in half. Or the zombie hordes are descending on you and you wish you had a knife with better edge retention and more robust.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, and I get it you don’t want to be scammed, but the differences are very nit-picky. Just shows what you can get for an extremely good deal. AND…99% of people don’t know or care weather you paid 20-25$ vs 200-250$ for your knife!
I just bought the 20.5 in s35vn from white mountain and the packaging is totally different. It was most likely changed because of the clones but its kind of a downgrade versus the aus10 packaging. I believe that even if they were to make it totally different like a clone versus counterfeit it would still be an issue because if I remember correctly, the shark lock is patented.
My packaging from KnifeCenter was totally different too. It came in a cheap, plastic "carton" that resembles a Glock magazine or something. Now I don't know what to think about what I paid 😅
I find it kinda funny that the clones came out 3 months before the real ones with the big pivot. How did they even know they were coming out? Plus I have both and they behave and lockup exactly the same. Plus you can buy 10 of them for what 1 real one cost.
Well if you’re one of those special guys that doesn’t ever actually use their knives I can see why you’d think like that. But me personally I need my edges to hold up.
@@YerZippersDown I use both everyday and guess what? The real one went dull before the fake did at cutting. Do you really think the Chinese D2 is any different than the Taiwan made D2?
@@YerZippersDowncool story. The real ones aus steel is hot fucking trash too bud. Anyone who spends 150 on it is an idiot. If you want a beater hard use knife just buy an ad10/ad15 in s35. At least thats a real steel.
Tell you what, my Wish Demko 2.0 sheapfoot blade just arrived, hands down one of the smoothest fidget knives in my collection, I'm comparing it to Kubey, Spyderco, WE, Sencut, CJRB, Honeybadger and Benchmade. For the price and fidget factor an excellent choice for a great beater knife and or 🎁 Hell yah I'm ordering more, $25 bucks with shipping win win buddy.
I am new to Demko - I think.. i just found another difference 1:52 The Art Design look at the [Blade tip] on the Fake it looks to be slightly further to the end of the D's tail.
I wish you had a high-quality version of the real knife to compare to the "high-quality" fake. Everyone in the comments is just noticing the upgrade and the build of the fake. Now they know where to send their money for the "better" knock-off 👍
What do you claim to be the "high quality" real one? The overpriced 300 dollar 3v turd? I own a few real ad20s, and i cant say i think they were good purchases, looking back, as the cold steel 4 max, and ad10/ad15s were better knives honestly. (Actually the 3.5 cold steel engage for 90 bucks os the real way to go, if you must have thos style)
Yeah it's not cool to counterfeit, especially resellers charging full price. On the other hand the prices for the real ones are just not equal to the materials used. For the ad20 which can only be bought for over a thousand usd at this point the only option is to buy these clones.
The pivots are the same size on internally. The fake here is a fake of the more quality knife and the real one in this video is of the budget version. Not a good comparison tbh.
Tells you what value of a true AD20.5 is AUS10, GRIVORY at $150, a counterfeit with metal scales and even if it's 8cr13mov for $30 let's say it's a deal!
China is the world's leading producer of knives and also a country with strict knife regulations. We have laws governing the purchase of knives online, and if a buyer is dissatisfied with a kitchen knife ordered online, they need to go to the police station to apply for a permit to return it. While knives can be shipped quickly through express delivery by bribing officials at the place of production, buyers are not allowed to return knives through express delivery. Moreover, knives cannot be taken out of one's home. A teenager taking a practice butterfly knife onto the subway has become a social incident.
Regarding the issue of clone knives, I can responsibly say that they offer high cost-effectiveness, and there is absolutely no need to worry about the quality. The manufacturing process for light industrial products is essentially the same. Chinese workers are cost-effective and, moreover, meticulous in their work, as it directly affects their individual performance income.
I own over 100 clone knives because I don't have access to authentic ones, and the prices are simply too expensive. I feel grateful to China for this. Not all Americans can afford expensive knives. If Americans were more inclined to purchase affordable knives from Chinese brands, there wouldn't be an issue with clones, such as CIVIVI. Your country is currently undergoing the process of deindustrialization, shifting low-end manufacturing that pollutes the environment and consumes energy elsewhere. That's where the real problem lies.
As far as i know they dont make any aus10a with the large pivot that all the aus10a are using the small pivot and i think the d2 uses small pivot as well and only the 20cv and s35vn are the large pivot so that should be the biggest indication
@@Mysteryboy0007 Some are good some are not. It depends on the steel they use(cheapest available in China at the time of manufacture) and the heat treat. They are counterfeits, so there is no incentive for consistency since they don't have a brand name reputation to consider. But yes some are really good but not as good as the original in my experience.
Sad thing is the real Demko AD20.5 is built in China/Taiwan to begin with. I have the original, bought it the day it came out on BHQ. Honestly for the price im not impressed.
I don't know that the intention of the manufacturer is to trick the consumer. I went and looked at a posting for these on Aliexpress and the comment section was filled with people who said something to the effect of "I couldnt afford a real Demko, so this copy is a great substitute"......meaning that these people knew that they were fake and bought them anyway.
He made this video so that on the secondary market, someone can't buy a known fake and then turn around to sell it at a markup of 180. To me, the fakes are a better deal for sure and I have an actual conscience so I would never try and sell a fake to another person at a higher price than I paid for it but not everyone thinks like me. There's some crooks out there.
Where I can never get a chance to buy a full size custom Demco without paying way too much money or not even able to buy I bought a .5 but I definitely won't spend the money for a better blade or better handle when you could by the real version they should at least make an XL version of the .5
there is a little bit cut off of the D in demko on the blade so you have this knife for 20 bucks you are overpaying for.and then this knife is 200 bucks and its totally fine
I’m happy to buy a knife made in Taiwan, but will never buy a Chinese made knife. Sick and tired of their underhanded tactics to put American companies out of business. And shame on the people who knowingly buy that crap. Sellouts
There’s a huge Chinese fashion/material show. It’s enormous. Think shot show, blade show and sema rolled into one. Just for clothes and materials. The company that actually makes CP company clothes ( a huge Italian fashion brand) was there. They had the wholesale prices for the cp company stuff pre logo that gets put on in Italy. A 800€ jacket is 30€. From the exact same place that actually makes it, minus the badge which you can buy from cp company themselves for like 20€. It’s scandalous. It’s exactly the same with knives, watches etc. you can buy a Chinese clone seiko samurai watch with a real seiko movement for 60€. You can buy a legitimate seiko dial for about 30€ and you have a 900€ seiko for 90€.
Approximately 97 percent of the 433 fixed and folding knives I own are 'real' and I buy them from legitimate sellers online (KnifeCenter, BladeHQ, White Mountain, SMKW and so on) but I really wasn't that interested in this knife. When I got this copycat, I confirmed I did not like the Shark lock and much prefer my Cold Steel AD10 with the Triad lock, which was also designed by Andrew Demko (I own two real ones). I also haven't seen a $20 fake Demko AD20.5 in real or fake titanium and I certainly wouldn't sell any of my 15 fake copycat knives as real and wasn't interested in paying $390 for the real thing. I pulled out my fake copy when I watched your video, and still wasn't thrilled with this knife especially the shark lock.
I mean this isn't good. They should not ride on the Demko name, but man I can't help but also feel ripped off by the US Brands. If China can give you that much for so little...it does lead me to think that US Brands are taking advantage of their customers. I hate fakes especially straight up fakes like these, but at the same time I also hate being ripped off while being a loyal supporter of something or someone. If china didn't fake this, but just came out with a new design using the shark-lock and having all these features, most people would gladly pay upwards of 100 dollars, given that the steel is true and heat treated properly.
Im not a fan of "counterfeit blades", which is why i buy full customs from bladesmiths. As far as folders go, iny opinion there's NO reason to pay custom fixed blade prices for a foreign manufactured folding knife. These knife makers scream about not buying fakes, then send their design to china or Taiwan, KNOWING that they dont respect out patents, get the knife made for pennies, and then ship them to us with a 500% mark up. 😂 Then they act SURPRISED when those same unscrupulous people do to them, what they did to the American consumer 😂😂🤣. It used to be the claim of inferiority...now they're using OUR steel, and OUR imported design to make overuns and resell it for cheap. The "American labor costing more" argument is exhausted. People aren't stupid anymore! You can still make blades in America because you're charging $300 ANYWAY! You just want more profit. So don't get mad when the Chinese rob you, the way you rob Americans. Its just CAPITALISM!!!😂
Not good but us brands Need to stop pricing themselves out of the market, benchmade is a good example of greed
I agree for $200+for the greedy company knives, ill take the hand made spring steel $44 blade from thailand thats just not as pretty but performs better and had love put into it (even if the love came out of not wanting to being hungry)
People are paying $200 for the $20 knife because they are being scammed. The point of this video is to help avoid that.
Well he's showing you the quality of workmanship. That translates to man hours hence more money. Then if you paid US workers less to complete, that would affect you in your quality of life and I'm not talking about the product but everything from the roads you drive on to what you eat.
@@rafaelmartell6918ya, except the real one is made in tiawan.
Thanks to Joe Biden Taiwan will become China soon
Dang. I'd pay $20 all day long for that thing. Best value folder 2023 😎👍
Until you put a little pressure on that metal and it breaks in half. Or the zombie hordes are descending on you and you wish you had a knife with better edge retention and more robust.
@@rafaelmartell6918 jufuel makes a great clone with tested steel. Your scenario is unlikely with a good clone
@@rafaelmartell6918they use D2 steel so...
@@darinjenkins7954 is that a site jufuel !?!
@@kickstothehead3705 its a Seller/Store
Haha the fake one has the upgraded pivot.
Well, to be fair... the "real" one is an Aus10 and Grivory Taiwanese-made knife. It's likely a $20 knife people are overpaying for. 🤣
I’ve recently gotten a few clones out of interest. No way I could afford the legit versions, and the quality so far has been surprisingly great
Maybe an unpopular opinion, and I get it you don’t want to be scammed, but the differences are very nit-picky. Just shows what you can get for an extremely good deal. AND…99% of people don’t know or care weather you paid 20-25$ vs 200-250$ for your knife!
They might care if they pay $250 for a $20 knife from some scammer.
Fake one is a far better value. Titanium for fourty.. sign me up…
I just bought the 20.5 in s35vn from white mountain and the packaging is totally different. It was most likely changed because of the clones but its kind of a downgrade versus the aus10 packaging.
I believe that even if they were to make it totally different like a clone versus counterfeit it would still be an issue because if I remember correctly, the shark lock is patented.
My packaging from KnifeCenter was totally different too. It came in a cheap, plastic "carton" that resembles a Glock magazine or something. Now I don't know what to think about what I paid 😅
I find it kinda funny that the clones came out 3 months before the real ones with the big pivot. How did they even know they were coming out? Plus I have both and they behave and lockup exactly the same. Plus you can buy 10 of them for what 1 real one cost.
They have spies in tons of American companies
Yup you got it. I think it’s more like we get shafted by overpricing. I’ve seen some horror story reviews on the “real” ones.
Well if you’re one of those special guys that doesn’t ever actually use their knives I can see why you’d think like that. But me personally I need my edges to hold up.
@@YerZippersDown I use both everyday and guess what? The real one went dull before the fake did at cutting. Do you really think the Chinese D2 is any different than the Taiwan made D2?
@@YerZippersDowncool story. The real ones aus steel is hot fucking trash too bud. Anyone who spends 150 on it is an idiot. If you want a beater hard use knife just buy an ad10/ad15 in s35. At least thats a real steel.
The blades from the real fit on the fakes. So if you have a extra blade from getting a reblade you can buy one of these and put your blade on it.
Tell you what, my Wish Demko 2.0 sheapfoot blade just arrived, hands down one of the smoothest fidget knives in my collection, I'm comparing it to Kubey, Spyderco, WE, Sencut, CJRB, Honeybadger and Benchmade. For the price and fidget factor an excellent choice for a great beater knife and or 🎁 Hell yah I'm ordering more, $25 bucks with shipping win win buddy.
I am new to Demko - I think.. i just found another difference 1:52 The Art Design look at the [Blade tip] on the Fake it looks to be slightly further to the end of the D's tail.
I wish you had a high-quality version of the real knife to compare to the "high-quality" fake. Everyone in the comments is just noticing the upgrade and the build of the fake. Now they know where to send their money for the "better" knock-off 👍
What do you claim to be the "high quality" real one? The overpriced 300 dollar 3v turd? I own a few real ad20s, and i cant say i think they were good purchases, looking back, as the cold steel 4 max, and ad10/ad15s were better knives honestly. (Actually the 3.5 cold steel engage for 90 bucks os the real way to go, if you must have thos style)
Yeah it's not cool to counterfeit, especially resellers charging full price. On the other hand the prices for the real ones are just not equal to the materials used. For the ad20 which can only be bought for over a thousand usd at this point the only option is to buy these clones.
I have 3 real ad20. If you pay over retail you are a pinecone.
The PIVOTS... Look at the pivots on these 2 Sheepsfoot .
The pivots are the same size on internally. The fake here is a fake of the more quality knife and the real one in this video is of the budget version. Not a good comparison tbh.
do you have a link to the clone i realy want this knife but i dont have the money to buy the original...
Where can I get one for $20? Idc if it's fake
I just want to try the lock
Chinese websites like Aliexpress
Tells you what value of a true AD20.5 is AUS10, GRIVORY at $150, a counterfeit with metal scales and even if it's 8cr13mov for $30 let's say it's a deal!
Yes they are 8cr13mov according to the Chinese seller. He claimed that all Chinese copies a8cr13mov no matter what the listing says.
@@MikesMediathe d2 has been tested as d2 on the reddit knife forum, so the seller lied to you (shocking, a dishonest clone seller)
And I’ve noticed that the thumb hole on the real one is not chamfered and it’s on the fake!(which is kinda weird to be honest haha)
It's well thought out, through and through!
I saw that too.
China is the world's leading producer of knives and also a country with strict knife regulations. We have laws governing the purchase of knives online, and if a buyer is dissatisfied with a kitchen knife ordered online, they need to go to the police station to apply for a permit to return it. While knives can be shipped quickly through express delivery by bribing officials at the place of production, buyers are not allowed to return knives through express delivery. Moreover, knives cannot be taken out of one's home. A teenager taking a practice butterfly knife onto the subway has become a social incident.
Regarding the issue of clone knives, I can responsibly say that they offer high cost-effectiveness, and there is absolutely no need to worry about the quality. The manufacturing process for light industrial products is essentially the same. Chinese workers are cost-effective and, moreover, meticulous in their work, as it directly affects their individual performance income.
I own over 100 clone knives because I don't have access to authentic ones, and the prices are simply too expensive. I feel grateful to China for this. Not all Americans can afford expensive knives. If Americans were more inclined to purchase affordable knives from Chinese brands, there wouldn't be an issue with clones, such as CIVIVI. Your country is currently undergoing the process of deindustrialization, shifting low-end manufacturing that pollutes the environment and consumes energy elsewhere. That's where the real problem lies.
@@kaitei2653 Thank you for your insights. I agree 100%
As far as i know they dont make any aus10a with the large pivot that all the aus10a are using the small pivot and i think the d2 uses small pivot as well and only the 20cv and s35vn are the large pivot so that should be the biggest indication
My big question is how good is the fake for use? I own a demko sharkfoot. I mean if a fake one can do the same things as the original.
It is about the same. Edge lasts longer on the real one and the lockup is better but other that that it is about the same to use.
The thumb stud location is slightly different as well
I hate to say this, but the Chinese are showing us how much we should pay for these knives.
If only we had state-sponsored sweatshops and forced child labor in the USA. Then we could manufacture cheaper products in the good old USA :)
@@MikesMedia ok.. maybe not 20$.. but 150$+ is overpriced.
@@MikesMedia US workers have not had pay increase since 1980. Don't be an ignoramus.
@@matali6067 What does that have to do with what I said?
@@matali6067Ludicrous. State your source.
🤔 why has the new ad20.5 the bigger Pivot too
Great Video. It's scary how close the Counterfeit is... :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
My question is does the fake perform just as good as the real????
Not in my experience. For $20 it is really good though.
@@MikesMedia Is it just the blade? Like blade retention is lacking or what? Ive heard people say it performs like the real also.
@@Mysteryboy0007 Some are good some are not. It depends on the steel they use(cheapest available in China at the time of manufacture) and the heat treat. They are counterfeits, so there is no incentive for consistency since they don't have a brand name reputation to consider. But yes some are really good but not as good as the original in my experience.
Thank you Mike for a good video!
Sad thing is the real Demko AD20.5 is built in China/Taiwan to begin with. I have the original, bought it the day it came out on BHQ. Honestly for the price im not impressed.
While I agree it is significantly overpriced I think it is important not to confuse Taiwan with China.
Outstanding video.
You forgot to mention the filler plastic in the spine the fakes dont have it at least none that ive seen
26$ for that..... looks kinda like the new 20.5"s with g10... and you don't think that is a good deal? I'm going to buy a couple of them right now!
Another dead giveaway is that the large pivot isnt going to be d2 or aus 10.
I don't know that the intention of the manufacturer is to trick the consumer. I went and looked at a posting for these on Aliexpress and the comment section was filled with people who said something to the effect of "I couldnt afford a real Demko, so this copy is a great substitute"......meaning that these people knew that they were fake and bought them anyway.
Yes of course people buying from Aliexpress know they are fake. That is where the fraudsters get them from to resell lol.
He made this video so that on the secondary market, someone can't buy a known fake and then turn around to sell it at a markup of 180. To me, the fakes are a better deal for sure and I have an actual conscience so I would never try and sell a fake to another person at a higher price than I paid for it but not everyone thinks like me. There's some crooks out there.
@@SavedbyGraceAlone84 paint taken
Alot of the packaging actually comes from china. So you may not want to count on that either.
Where I can never get a chance to buy a full size custom Demco without paying way too much money or not even able to buy I bought a .5 but I definitely won't spend the money for a better blade or better handle when you could by the real version they should at least make an XL version of the .5
It would be quicker to note they used standoffs instead of a back-spacer.
there is a little bit cut off of the D in demko on the blade so you have this knife for 20 bucks you are overpaying for.and then this knife is 200 bucks and its totally fine
The real ad20.5 is from Asia af. The fake may be better? Idk
Fakes are made in CHINA, Not Taiwan.
It's not I have both
I’ll take the chinese one for a 10th of the price thanks
Chinese show us how much a knife really should cost
Would you pay this much for the counterfeit? www.ebay.com/itm/394415630600
People are paying $200 for the $20 knife because they are being scammed. The point of this video is to help avoid that.
People are paying $200 for the $20 knife because they are being scammed. The point of this video is to help avoid that.
If only we had state-sponsored sweatshops and forced child labor in the USA. Then we could manufacture cheaper products in the good old USA :)
Yea cause there paying workers 35 cent an hour an using slave labor in china
Where can I purchase the fake one lol (seriously)
Amazon temu ebay. Temu has them for $13 with green scales
20$ seems to be the fair price for the same knife, your free to pay 200$ they both made in Asia
People are paying $200 for the $20 knife because they are being scammed. The point of this video is to help avoid that.
Fakes are made in CHINA, Not Taiwan.
@@MikesMediais Taiwan not in Asia? Are Taiwanese people not ethnic chinese? Who knows if maybe the Taiwanese produce there knives in China too.
I’m happy to buy a knife made in Taiwan, but will never buy a Chinese made knife. Sick and tired of their underhanded tactics to put American companies out of business. And shame on the people who knowingly buy that crap. Sellouts
I just ordered a shark cub on ok knives lol. I think they're just cool 🤷♂️
good video ; thanks for info :)
Yea.... $26 .... I don;t think these are the ones ripping people off.
If you pay $26 then no. If you pay $300+ for a $26 knife from a scammer then yes.
There’s a huge Chinese fashion/material show. It’s enormous. Think shot show, blade show and sema rolled into one. Just for clothes and materials. The company that actually makes CP company clothes ( a huge Italian fashion brand) was there. They had the wholesale prices for the cp company stuff pre logo that gets put on in Italy. A 800€ jacket is 30€. From the exact same place that actually makes it, minus the badge which you can buy from cp company themselves for like 20€. It’s scandalous. It’s exactly the same with knives, watches etc. you can buy a Chinese clone seiko samurai watch with a real seiko movement for 60€. You can buy a legitimate seiko dial for about 30€ and you have a 900€ seiko for 90€.
Approximately 97 percent of the 433 fixed and folding knives I own are 'real' and I buy them from legitimate sellers online (KnifeCenter, BladeHQ, White Mountain, SMKW and so on) but I really wasn't that interested in this knife. When I got this copycat, I confirmed I did not like the Shark lock and much prefer my Cold Steel AD10 with the Triad lock, which was also designed by Andrew Demko (I own two real ones). I also haven't seen a $20 fake Demko AD20.5 in real or fake titanium and I certainly wouldn't sell any of my 15 fake copycat knives as real and wasn't interested in paying $390 for the real thing. I pulled out my fake copy when I watched your video, and still wasn't thrilled with this knife especially the shark lock.
Plz more knife and gun content please!
Wow that's pretty close
The fake looks better....probably should have compared it to the titanium version it copied ...
Anybody know what kind of shit metal the fake is made of?
Some Chinese sellers claim it is 8Cr15MoV others claim D2.
well when u overprice shit....cool things come up from others
I mean this isn't good. They should not ride on the Demko name, but man I can't help but also feel ripped off by the US Brands. If China can give you that much for so little...it does lead me to think that US Brands are taking advantage of their customers. I hate fakes especially straight up fakes like these, but at the same time I also hate being ripped off while being a loyal supporter of something or someone. If china didn't fake this, but just came out with a new design using the shark-lock and having all these features, most people would gladly pay upwards of 100 dollars, given that the steel is true and heat treated properly.
Bunch of dildodos on here keeping the counterfeiters in business! 🤦🏻👎
The real one is also a 20$ Knife ….
Bought the fake and the real one. Fake one is clumsy no quality control. Uneven spacing. I would just get the real one.
The real ones are made in China too lol. Only difference isthe price they're selling for in America
Taiwan not China.
Both are made in china
False. Taiwan is actually a different country, despite what China insists.
@@h.b.nielsen5619it won't be for long 😂
Never buy eBay or Amazon.
Im not a fan of "counterfeit blades", which is why i buy full customs from bladesmiths. As far as folders go, iny opinion there's NO reason to pay custom fixed blade prices for a foreign manufactured folding knife. These knife makers scream about not buying fakes, then send their design to china or Taiwan, KNOWING that they dont respect out patents, get the knife made for pennies, and then ship them to us with a 500% mark up. 😂 Then they act SURPRISED when those same unscrupulous people do to them, what they did to the American consumer 😂😂🤣. It used to be the claim of inferiority...now they're using OUR steel, and OUR imported design to make overuns and resell it for cheap. The "American labor costing more" argument is exhausted. People aren't stupid anymore! You can still make blades in America because you're charging $300 ANYWAY! You just want more profit. So don't get mad when the Chinese rob you, the way you rob Americans. Its just CAPITALISM!!!😂