F1 can never have a ‘greatest’ and here’s why…
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2024
- There's always talk about who is the greatest to ever drive in Formula 1... this video shows you can never truly crown one.
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as seb said, the new cars might be too fast for the drivers of the 50s, and the new drivers might not have the balls to drive the dangerous 50s cars.
yea well i think the best way to look at who the goat is there teammate or how many wins you get and which era you won in which had the most competitive field 2012*,2010 for example
The cars the drivers drove in the 50s were extraordinarily fast compared to road cars, the tracks were shite and unbelievably dangerous, you couldn't just run wide or slide off safely. Speed is relative and of course if those drivers time shifted in an instant the cars would be too fast ... but in reverse the modern drivers would be driving with no helmets, seat belts, brakes, power steering, manual gear changes, terrible treaded tyres, hugely heavy cars at 150mph with the side of the track marked by trees, drains and power poles.
@@Allblue1 Imo Alonso was the best driver in the 2012 season, probably the best season in his career even if he didn't win the championship
@@herakies5495 exactly why i think he should be the goat but he just lacks longevity at a high positions I'm sure he is a better driver than both lewis and vettel wait I have no idea tbh lewis the goat
@@Allblue1 I have a hard time agreeing with you when Hamilton beat Alonso at Mclaren when he was raw. consistency of Hamilton is key. greatness comes by consistency. Alonso on his day is a elite driver no doubt.
You missed "Other than Kimi raikkonen" from the title
pastor maldonado and lord mahaveer would like to have a word
U mean other the Nicolas goatifi
Agree
Latifi*
This needs to be the "Highlighted Comment"
"No opinion is wrong"
And THAT is why GOATifi is valid.
How dare you underrate Mazepin
@@DustinHasVideos mazepin can barely drive Goatifi can win other people championships
@@DustinHasVideos GOATIFI IS THE ONLY GOAT
@@DustinHasVideos
You really can't underrate Mazepin
@@srijanvarmaofficial5657 does this “goatifi” (if that is his real name) have the ability to read Russian clouds? MazeWIN does. Putin was forced to invade Ukraine by the FIA in order to keep him from dominating
4:09 Fangio won with 4 different constructors, not 3: Alfa Romeo (1951), Mercedes (1954, 1955), Ferrari (1956) and Maserati (1957).
Yep, and he also said 1952-1957
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Seb is this you with your YT burner account?
"different constructors"
Finally someone who understands. I think the facts presented in this video work for all the sports in the world. There are just to many variables.
Exactly. Every sport is constantly evolving. Motorsport is no exception...
latifi is the true goat. L max, L lewis, L schumi.
Absolutely agree. I've spent hours thinking about this for all different sports, trying to balance all the variables. I came to the hesitant conclusion Michael Jordan has the best argument for being the greatest in his sport.
Formula 1 drivers went from wresting a car and trying to survive just 1 gp to focusing on being smooth throughout each and ever corner. The cars and driving styles are not comparable, so why would the drivers be
Completely agree
latifi is the most consistent driver, and consistency is key
From the "stories" in the history of F1 I've been impressed the most by Jim Clark with what he has done in the short time he had.
What could have been :(
If he stuck till 72/73 he easily could have won 3/4 more titles if he only went to brands hatch and not Hockenheim that day
Kimi is the 🐐 of interviews, nobody can argue that
bwaaaaa... well you know....
I mean, I think he's top 15.
Jim Clark, even from historical records beacause sadly he was long gone before I was born. His driving stirred emotions no other managed since for me. And when you have people like Fangio and Senna placing him on the top, you know there´s something special there.
Yeah, top 5 for me would be Clark, Fangio, Schumacher, Senna, Prost.
Lol did you just watch Richard Hammond's presentation on him from the grand tour? If you want to see how great he was I think Hammond does a really good job at comparing him to modern day drivers and pointing out how crazy his life was lol
Clark was the only driver of whom even contemporary drivers said he was the best. That usually never happens.. but Jim was special indeed
I saw Clark in my 1st motor race I ever saw in 1966, his car was average that year and broke down but he just looked different to everyone else. Greatest my opinion
@@SantiagoAntonutti Lewis????
Wrong, Mahaveer Raghunathan is clearly the greatest.
About time someone started talking straight facts around here😤
Nah it’s obvious Goatifi
Sadly no team in F1 was ready to have so much talent and power on their car. They knew he would've won all races in the season with the fastest lap, and also taking 2nd and 3rd place as well. The FIA wouldn't let that happen.
Bullshat, everyone knows it's none other than Kamui Kobayashi
Personally I've always put Schumacher and Senna as the top 2 of all time, all things considered 👌
I'd go Schumacher and Hamilton but anyway...
Mmmm well yeah and no but it’s a opinión
This would be my ranking by era (it's not always easy even defining an era):
1925-33: Nuvolari, Varzi, Chiron, Fagioli, Dreyfus
1934-39: Rosemeyer, Caracciola, Nuvolari, Lang, von Brauschitsch
1950-57 (front engine): Fangio, Ascari, Moss, Farina, Jose Froilan Gonzalez
1958-67 (1.5L/mid engine): Clark, Moss, G. Hill, Brabham, Surtees
1968-77 (3L/experimental): Stewart, Lauda, Fittipaldi, Rindt, Peterson
1978-83 (turbo/ground effects): G. Villeneuve, Piquet, K. Rosberg, A. Jones, Reutemann
1984-93 (turbo): Senna, Prost, Piquet, G. Mansell, Berger
1994-04 (v10/v12): M. Schumacher, Hakkinen, D. Hill, Barrichello, J. Villeneuve
2005-13 (v8/kers): Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton, Raikkonen, N. Rosberg
2014-: (turbo hybrid) Hamilton, Verstappen, Alonso, Ricciardo, Leclerc
Fcking goat comment right here
You, sir deserve a like
Everything is good but I would put Seb in Hybrid Era at least in front of Leclerc
@@jan.p7089 I did have vettel in there and changed at the last minute to lelclerc as lelclerc beat him twice including 2020 when vettel had an awful season and vettel was also beaten by ricciardo at red bull. Lelclerc also did well in his season at sauber. By the end of 2025 when the new era starts 2026 Russell and Norris could be in contention depending on how well they do as ricciardo has dropped off massively
Great list, maybe a bit too long. You had me press the “Like” button right when putting the earliest period before the 50’s there 😂
There was an AI that calculated the lap times to find who the fastest driver is, comparing every driver with their teammate over the years. Senna came first.
And wasn't Nick Heidfeld and Heiki Kovaleinen on that list too?
Interesting! Although that would also mark drivers lower if they are more supportive or technically knowledgeable towards their teammates (getting them faster times)
@Gregor Amhof yes?
@Gregor Amhof none of them matters if the driver can't drive fast
@Gregor Amhof no, you know what I meant.
My list of the greatest drivers of their era:
Fangio, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, Michael Schumacher, Lewis Hamilton.
I think this is the perfect list too. Includes the greatest of each era aswell (minus Lauda)
@@azzamjamil240 Did you see Rush? Did you read his autobiographies? Who would you replace Lauda with?
@@mojoblues66 Wouldn’t replace him. I said that list includes ALL the best of their eras minus Lauda. Meaning imo he was not the best of his era. The best of the ‘70s imo was Stewart
GOAT per generation makes so much more sense
GOHG.
This right here
Even that’s hard, generation of car, decade, engine, ect because say 2010’s you have vettel being insane in 2 dominated years and 2 years where it was a very close title fight then you have Lewis winning 6 titles yet he had the best car and was arguably worse then a Ricciardo from 2014-18 it’s so hard to compare and in the end I think you can earn all time great status and that’s it.
@@jonmcdonald713 hamilton worse than ricciardo from 14-18 gtfoh
Even for a single year it’s impossible to name with absolute certainty who is the best.
It has often been said that qualifying is important. Huge props then to Niki Lauda who won his final title without qualifying on the front row all year
I also want to suggest Alain Prost who is sadly underrated despite his 51 wins and 4 WDC's
It's incredibly frustrating how much the Brazilian fandom has washed away Prost's achievements in favor of Senna. Without the ridiculous drop-points scoring system, Prost would have won 88 as well (again, according to the current F1 points standard), meaning that Porst would have beaten Senna every year that they were teammates. Prost wiped the floor with Mansell, and obliterated Damon Hill as well. Such an underrated driver, sadly.
Alain prost is underrated? you're living under a rock?
@@_Zuka, the fact that he is not universally rated over Senna is sufficient to say that he is underrated. The chasm between the two is that wide.
@@flyingphoenix113 we didn't lol. most of us praise Prost because was his rivalry with Senna that sparked Senna's ambitions to be the greatest
And I genuinely think that it's because Prost is still alive.
It’s very hard drivers are great at different seasons, races, years, era’s, teams, cars there’s so much to consider. For me my favourite will always be Michael Schumacher. I just loved the guy. Everyone should just love whoever they wanna to as their favourite GOAT. No dramas from me. 🤙
You’re a true fan bro👍🏻
Fact, Schumacher never got beaten by a teammate at any season besides the one he broke his legs. Matt is wrong. Schumi is the GOAT.
@@ervinhaxhiaj7158 Don't know if you're serious but he did get beat by Rosberg from 2010-2012. Also in 1997 he finished behind his teammate after Schumacher got disqualified and lost all of his points.
@@ervinhaxhiaj7158 Your argument is weak af. You can make GOATIFI if you hand him down a superior car to oppositions and Yuji Ide being his teammate. He dominating Yuji all the times would look to be such a GOAT performance. It was very much what happened to MS. He get handed down a losers teammates all the times and superior cars to the oppositions. One of those two privileges missing, his GOAT performance also gone. His comeback in 2010 went dismal because he had no longer the two privileges anymore. He got obliterated for 3 consecutive years by his should be wing man. However, the wing man insisted not be.
Well it’s ya not that hard Max is clearly the best by far and it’s not even close
Nico Rosberg is the GOAT.
He is the only driver to beat two 7 times champions in the same machinery! ☝🏻
And lewis beat him twice so now rethink who the goat really is
I'm sure Kimi showed up with a hangover more than once, bless him. The GOAT in my head is Jim Clark. Still is the only man to win the WDC and Indy 500 in the same year, raced and won in several different types of cars, and has eight grand slams. Lewis has six in a career that is three times as long as Clark's was.
Spanish gp 2012
I had to scroll all the way down here for Jim Clark to be mentioned.
@@petrolheadJJ he's not top comment for you?
To be fair you can do that when you have 10 races in a season now you have about 23. More than double. Plus, during Jim Clark's time, drivers started their racing career when they were 20. Drivers like Max and Lewis started karting when they were 6.
Motorsport like all sport today is more competitive, bigger at a global level, training has improved due sport science and data and drivers use sim and other technology to enhance their skills.
@@PG-20 Not sure what you mean.
I regard Jim Clark to be the most naturally talented driver of all time.
Senna still has the most impressive results to date still with the caliber of drivers he was against, machinery he was in, so on. Also, many drivers past and present share the sentiment that he was something truly special.
He's the wilt chamberlain of f1. Give him lewis car from 14-21 and he would win every single gp by a literal mile.
You should Watch Schumacher in early Ferrari days then. Senna won all of it on best cars just stop giving false information
@@Sam-rl5hs finishing p2 in a toleman of course it is false info right ? Winning in 1992 against FW14B of course false info bro winning with Ford Engine in 1993 against most tech assisted Williams ? False info ofc. best drivers help build best cars
@@Sam-rl5hs stop being a fanboy. Schumacher was great but Sennas toleman performance eclipses anything anyone prior or current has ever done thus far. Also, Schumacher admitted himself on camera numerous occasions that senna was the better driver of the two
"The machinery he was in" champion in LITERALLY the best car of all time, never won a world champions without having the best car, it's only that impressive because he died on track and people started overreacting to every single thing about him. Same happened to villeneuve who is probably the most overrated driver ever
Schumacher for me is the greatest on account of how much he changed F1 - how much he raised the bar for fitness, time put into developing the cars, pioneering having the display information on the steering wheel so he could monitor his speeds mid corner, the fact the other drivers could handle the cars he had and how he was able to extract performance out of even weak cars
...or how many times he cheated 😂
@@mijazukant your argument is weak
@@Sam-rl5hs like Schumachers 🎿 skills💀
@@Sam-rl5hs why is it weak? you didn't know he was cheating?
@@kevinlaguna2023 Oh man that's cruel...
In terms of drivers, there can’t be. But there can be within the sport. Adrian Newey.
Collin Chapman
Adrian newey needs a driver like max to drive his creations on the limit because normie non aliens can’t adapt enough. Newey is nothing without a master driver than can turn a slower car to go faster than a fatter one with sheer setup prowess and versatility of driving.
@@nutellabrah6718 I mean he did the same thing at Williams and McLaren with 5 different drivers. And Sebastian at RB
no opinion is wrong,. buy yours are s**t af.. most of newey's time was in major team,. i bet he cant do much in haas. not counting the other variable like technology available in some era, rules at the moment, etc... similar to the driver, goat is imposible
@@lattepus7888 ok “latte pus” didn’t realize you’re an authority on opinions. With a name like that you’re definitely the normal smarter one not me. That’s not a strange name and weird grammar at all..
“How many titles would Michael Schumacher have won if he was racing in 1952?”
1 title Matt, there was only 1 f1 title awarded for 1952, duh
Finally someone said it. Even Hamilton said on Top Gear when they handed him the keys to Senna's MP4/4 that he didnt know how anyone drove those cars.
Fangio won in 1951, not 1952. And he won with 4 different constructors, not three.
My favourite is when they say, Lewis isnt the goat because he had the best car(Like 90%of champs) and right after that they say, thats why Schumacher is the greatest. Like he didnt have the best car every year
Well, literally he didn't. He didn't have the best car during his first seasons. Benneton only became really competitive in 1994. Then the same happened when he went to Ferrari and had to build a team around him (or that's what the legend says). So literally he didn't have the best car in around half the seasons he competed during his "first stint"... then he came back with Mercedes just to stain all his ratios.
@@omarroncal6970 1994 Benetton was the fastest. Just Verstappen was terrible. The only reason there was a fight in the end was because he was DSQ from 3 gp-s
1995 Benetton won WCC
Changed the fast car to a Ferrari? To the most succesfull team with the biggest budget? Yeah thats something Lewis never did. (Exept 2012 when signed from 2nd Mclaren to 5th Mercedes)
Didnt have the best car half the seasons? (92, 93, 96, 97, 98) Like Lewis in 09-13?
In the 5 years Schumi won with Ferrari no team came close exept 2003.
Same for Lewis exept 2017, 18 Ferrari, plus he had a strong teammate for 3 years and had to fight, unlike Schumi, with Barichello, who was more a N2 driver than Bottas
For sure its Fangio back when the saga began.
Each era has a great capable driver.
Every fan has his or her no.1
For me it was Schumacher.
I rolled into the sport at the end of 1996.
Nowadays i am a fan of the sport itself.
But i understand the fuss about it.
It was the unknown driver who would go out and set the fastest lap, then everyone else would try to beat it. I always thought it was Schumacher. Senna would go out, set a screaming lap and then get out of the car, he would be so confident. Who was that unknown driver?
*de stigg*
@@V1nn798 Thank you, its been awhile, who was that driver de Stigg? Never saw his face.
@@scottlarue5432 my response was just a joke, the name you put looked like "The Stig" (a.k.a. Ben Collins) so I was just joking around, so it wasn't a legit answer, in all honesty the one whom you speak of I do not have any knowledge of at all
Max Verstappen being a realist for a while now, I like that he dodges any comment about being him compared to other great drivers.
Early Kimi was also a monster.
Max is a promise for being the Next Senna . all these 7 years he kept that .
Let's see how the rest of his career goes
He doesn’t dodge he is just respectful because he has won his whole life so he is good at being a polite winner
@@nutellabrah6718 yeah, perhaps dodge was the wrong word for choosing. Not native English. But I agree.
Love when they talk against Lewis like Schumacher won in a shitbox, or Senna didnt have the most dominant F1 car ever, Or Vettel didnt drove for Redbull, who won 4 WDC in a row
It's impossible to compare drivers from different eras and on different machinery and rules to each other..
Not even going to mention the fact that even depth of driver talent may differ from generation to generation, so that one driver who is clearly dominant in one era may only have been dominant because of the level of competition, etc.
It's impossible to quantify all these parameters and come up with an objective greatest of all time.
At best, you can have an somewhat more sensible debate about the best in a generation, sure.
It’s not impossible if you know racing intimately. Maybe as a casual fan you can’t determine much but real racers know who is the fastest and most skilled if you know the clues and indicators of true skill.
It’s not impossible, it’s pretty clear a driver like max can drive anything. If you look on iRacing he wins in a every class not just open wheelers.
First of all, love your channel. Big fans!
I think everything in this video is spot on except perhaps "like you can in other sports."
For one, when it comes to team sports such as football and basketball, the team you play in matters. Would Ronaldo and Messi be recognised as the titans they are if they spent their entire careers playing for Sunderland and Newcastle, as opposed to alongside other top tier talents in MU, Barcelona, Real Madrid, etc?
Futurhermore, sport science has evolved so much. Back in the day, players did not have nutritionists monitoring everything they eat, physiotherapists monitoring everything they do including sleep patters, etc. The pace of the game has changed too and so have the rules. Strategies and tactics have evolved. It's impossible to compare Messi & Ronaldo to Maradona & Pele.
On a separate but similar note, I guess another way to look at it is to perhaps accept that the next GOAT will always be better than the previous GOAT, simply because technology, sports science, etc is evolving.
Amen! Stop comparing. Just remember the beautiful past and enjoy the present.
This is what makes F1 different from world record holdings: those have to be achieved with largely uniform equipment. The world record for biking a mile has to be achieved with the equipment used in the 1980s (I believe that was the decade? EDIT: It's not biking the mile, it's biking the longest distance in one hour) because technology makes a HUMONGOUS difference. Just compare world record times for biking the mile, or for swimming a certain distance.
Here's a great TED talk on the topic: ruclips.net/video/8COaMKbNrX0/видео.html
But F1 technology evolves ALL THE TIME. There is no possible way to fairly compare Ayrton Senna, largely regarded as one of the best of all time, with even Michael Schumacher. Then how would you draw comparisons to Sebastian Vettel, or Lewis Hamilton? It's not possible.
Any F1 GOAT would have to compete with all the other GOAT contenders using equal equipment - and is it still F1 then? Is F1 still F1 without the technology? I think not.
Not necessarily. All team sports will have this factor in some way or other. A Messi or Ronaldo wouldn't score this much goals playing with Sunday league team alongside them.
We don’t need everything to be that neat to determine who is the fastest and most skilled. There’s lot of info and performances to infer from. When you see max winning relentlessly it’s pretty clear he is better than everyone in subtle ways that others can’t even COMPREHEND
Yes! Finally, someone agreeing with what I've believed for years.
@rissini let's try that again but in a language this time.
@@garygup You know you're replying to a bot, right?
NIKI LAUDA and it ain't close, won a title burn almost to death came back almost won it again, retired came back and won 2 more times...wanted his prime he could have been 4,5 or maybe more titles. It's the passion of his and quality of his skills just different
Speaking truth! Been saying it for years, you can't compare what Fangio did in the 50s to what Hamilton or Schumacher have done in the last 20 years, everything is far too different. Everyone is allowed their own personal favourite/greatest but there will never be an overall GOAT
Counterpoint: Its not "Best of all time", but "Greatest", which for me entails so much more than just results. How have you impacted the sport? Have you helped expand the viewership of the sport and/or changed its meaning in popular culture. Its the reason for me that MJ will always be the GOAT, he impacted the NBA so much from the Jordan Brand Sneakers to The Original Space Jam.
By this definition, some old fans would definitely have said Senna while the latest would be Schumi.
And as for candidate, it's very likely, according to contribution, it would've been Max Verstappen.
And that might be because I doubt that he would've won more than two F1 titles as a driver.
@@kohikappu in terms of expanding the sports viewership in recent years it would be lewis Hamilton it’s a known fact that before lewis came along the ratings were going downhill for a while
@@Umar-gw6fy Popularity-wise, yes. But it's not the matter of fact we are talking about substance-wise. However, I might argue that Vettel and Alonso also had contributed on that regard.
If you are arguing impact it’s surely got to be Senna or Hamilton right?
Ive always thought this topic was stupid. My only input is, I think that any driver on the grid has the ability to master any previous generation cars. Im not so sure that the reverse would be true, however theoretical.
goatifi is the only acceptable goat.
Nobody can beat GOATIFI and MAZESBIN
Mazes🅱️in
I have to say as an outsider to f1 it seems like the sport is about the combination and relationship between the driver and the car. In other words the melding of humanity and technology. That should actually be quite a profound and inspiring thing, it’s beautiful to see how we as a species can build off of the shoulder of those who came before. That’s always been the case for anything really. Art, music, science, everything we do is a reaction to what has come before. So it would seem to me (as someone who knows nothing about f1) that we should be celebrating the achievements of these engineers and drivers rather than comparing them.
I think it's senna. Yeah, he won less titles than his rival, but he uhm.. Died. In 1994, he got pole on all 3 races in 1994, so he had some points there.
He raced FOR his country, he helped hold his county's heads up high during a struggle. He was remembered as a hero in Brazil. (I'm not Brazilian btw) He donated to Brazil and did so much. He's my goat.
TLDR: senna: good on and off the track
You should watch a video wtf1 made about who's the f1 goat
I laughed so hard at the Mazepin joke😂😂😂😂 great one Matt!😂
I would love to have one race/sprint race a year in a formula 2 spec car. Everybody in the same and it still counts in the championship. Just to see how good the drivers really are.
I think the GOATs will forever be Jim Clark and Juan Manuel Fangio. Fangio is undoubtedly the greatest Gran Prix driver of all time and Jim Clark is arguably the greatest driver in motorsport history. These are of course the greatest drivers who ever participated in the Formula One Championship, but I'd like to add Tazio Nuvolari as a wildcard into the GOAT debate. What a hell of a driver he was.
It's like I said to my friend the other day, as the sport evolves, so the requirements needed to get that edge evolves with it. Take the driving style of Fernando Alonso for example.
In his first years with Renault, he developed a really weird driving style that deliberately induced understeer in turn in. He was able to maximise this technique to enable him to clinch two championships (2005 and 2006), but since Michelin withdrew at the end of the 2006 season, the car concept that the Enstone Team (at the time called Renault) used to extract the most from the French company's tyres became obsolete when Bridgestone took over in 2007 and with it Alonso had to adapt his technique to a more conventional driving style, but he has still performed to a very high standard
Thats the difference between the driver caliber of someone like Alonso and Daniel (as much as I like him :(
@@Kevin-sy8uf yeah, I love it when Danny Ric wins races, they're never dull and his win at Monza last year was superb. Even with the title contenders crashing into each other, he still had enough to win that day :) let's hope that he can work with McLaren to help ease the issues he and the team are experiencing at the moment
@@SiVlog1989 im hoping for him to be on it next season. Hes extremely talented
Someone like max would have found the limit of both the old tyres and the new. This isn’t special. It’s part of being on the limit and finding every piece of speed puzzle to solve.
@@nutellabrah6718 it's not as simple as that. There were subtle but noticeable differences between the Bridgestone tyres of the time and the Michelin tyres of the time. The construction of the Bridgestones were more rounded in shape, better for aerodynamics, but slightly sacrificing the amount of grip available with a reduced contact patch between the tread of the tyre and the track surface. The Michelin however had a greater contact patch with a squarer shape of the tyre. This meant that the Michelins had a greater contact patch, but had the likelihood of breaking traction suddenly and the cars with these tyres tended to suffer from understeer. Because of this, Alonso's driving style evolved, by using the understeer, it enabled not only the front tyres to be heated up on the run to the apex, but because of the understeer on turn in, it enabled him to gain better acceleration out of the corners than most.
You said that Verstappen would be able to handle these tyres, but would he? His style of driving is far more conventional than Alonso's was in that time. In fact Alonso's driving technique back then is so counter intuitive that if someone was to try it today, they would understeer off, underestimating the adjusted spot to turn in. Worse still, although it wasn't impossible for a car to spin in that circumstance, if it did, it would do so suddenly and without warning
Fun fact: The G.O.A.T s are already in the Thumbnail 🤭❣️
i would say the mechanics and engineers are the true MVPs
I'm pretty biased on this one, because I'm german and grew up with Michael all over the TV racing. I think he's one of a kind when it's about dedication and ambition to win. To make that Bennetton win 2 WDC's is incredible. The time with Ferrari is amazing as well, he got them back to former glory of the old days.
That's nothing any driver achieved after him again.
So for me it's Michael, but I also understand everybody that argues with Senna, Clark or Lewis :)
"He has not always had the best car" *mentions 2 seasons out of 15 years* 😭
Hamilton being 1 point off the championship in his first season, beating the former 2 time world champion who happened to be his team mate truly proved his greatness
You're all wrong
Wincklehock is the GOAT.
Man joined F1 led a race and then dipped
True Sigma 😅
Rather than GOAT I think F1 has a list of greats.
That said, Fangio will always be at the top of my personal list because in his own era Fangio was clearly the best in a way that none of the later greats have been able to be. Which is because over time the performance of the car has become more important and the contribution the drivers are making has become harder to measure. In 54 Fangio started the season with Maserati, won the first two races, switched to Mercedes and kept winning no matter which car he was in.
In later eras it has become more difficult to clearly say driver x is better than anyone else. There's no clear answer if Senna was better than Prost, how Schumacher and Häkkinen would have fared in equal cars, or even who is better between Hamilton and Verstappen.
The GOAT nonsense only started to be a thing around 2010-2015 when Hamilton started to collect championships. During the Schumacher days people often argued whether Senna or Schumi were better, not to mention Prost, etc. It's not only impossible to know who is the best, using just numbers is ridiculous. Everyone knows Hamilton got extraordinarily lucky with the quality of the cars he was given so comparing it to drivers who drove in underdog cars or downright unreliable cars is really unfair. Not to mention: what makes you the greatest? Is it pure driving (which would give Senna the edge)? Understanding of the mechanics (which would make Schumi the best)? Or the ability to make a team perform great around you? (again, Schumi?) Or someone who is good at drawing media attention to himself? (guess who ... Hamilton of course)?
I’m gonna take a guess you don’t like Lewis then.
@@aidanmagee2269 Nope. I used to think he was OK but his attitude and the way the British media drooled all over him while trying to make it out as if he was the best driver ever just made me dislike him. Like I said: the media used to NEVER talk about drivers in absolute terms since most had enough brains to know you couldn't compare drivers based on statistics. That's not how it works. They sure tried with Hamilton though.
My personal favorite is Jim Clark🇬🇧🏎🏁❤️
Maybe you can make a driver a GOAT based on statistics? Like % of wins 1 driver had during their carreer (number of wins / total races races * 100%) or % of championships 1 driver had during their carreer (number of championships / total seasons races * 100%)
I would say Fangio, Clark, Senna, Schumacher and Hamilton were all head a shoulders above everyone in their era's, these are the GOATs IMO
When all the greats were asked who was the best ever, including Hamilton and Schumacher, they said Senna, just saying! Though i do agree its all relative to the Era and the chances they got/cars they drove.
Whe Senna and Fangio were asked the same thing they said Jim Clark..
@@rohnnyjotten3985 Both were great but died early so I had to factor that in.
That said, this was during their career. It is a professional courtesy not to say "me" when asked such a question, so their answers are fairly meaningless. Fagio and Stewart, who have both answered in retirement should be far more influential (and both of whom said Jim Clark).
What would you expect them to say that they think they are themselves the best? Sounds kinda cocky to me and would fit well with the public. Same goes for the famous Schumacher cry in the press conference when he reached sennas winning record. I don't really buy it 😂
My F1 GOAT is Nelson Piquet.
Hmmmmmmmm... I would actually put him #8, but you don't lose lol!!
The only way to answer is to go full bill and ted and get all the greatest drivers to same place and time and have same machines for every driver
To be fair, Senna's 1991 Spa pole lap suggests that he could bring out lap times matching cars from 10 years ahead (2001 Spa times were the same for Michael Schumacher, perhaps aero was far ahead but suspension was arguably more advanced in Senna's car, track layout was the same pretty much). So the performance in similar-period, similar performance realm machinery can be compared. Schumi is a bridge from Senna and Prost to Lewis and Sebastian Vettel.
For me, the Ranking goes like this:
For pure Driving Skills: Fangio/Jim Clark
For driving Skills and showmanship: Senna (he was SPETACULAR to watch)
For rate of success: Hamilton. (Comon guys the guy is the only one in the sport that went to the Podium for 16 seasons straight and the only driver that went to top three in every season he drove)
And of awfulness: Piquet.
Having thought about this for multiple years, my conclusion is that if you could say that someone is the best in the last 30 years or so it has to be between Fernando Alonso and Michael Schumacher. The raw speed, intelligence, ruthlessness and unbreakable will to win is not matched by any other driver not even Hamilton or Vettel. Both have been magnificent in every car they have put them.
But for me and my heart I think Alonso takes it. The guy is like 40 years of age and can still keep up and even beat the young guns, something that Schumacher wasn't able to do (2010-2012)
I hope that in 20 years time we can have the same debate with the likes of Russell, Leclerc, Verstappen and Norris (also drivers I rate extremely high but they have to prove themselves in the long run)
please elaborate "raw speed, intelligence, ruthlessness and unbreakable will to win", and why someone like Lewis lacks that...
@@AAMIRKHAN-yt1el No one on the grid other than Max Verstappen and Alonso currently have those qualities. Lewis isn't ruthless in any sense of the word.
This is true for every sport. Even individual sports like Tennis, Golf of even Chess. There have been great changes to technology, society, medicine, practice methodologies and others that make any comparisons unfair
I think that it is possible, if you can collect all the data, and when you use all the needed parameters, and come up with a spread sheet formula. I mean, such as the minutes that a person drove the car, the number of victories compared to temporary drivers, lap times compared to other temporary drivers, pole positions, championships with different teams, and so on. As long as you have enough input from enough parameters it should be possible to come up with a GOAT based on performance and rankings.
But there is another way to look at a GOAT, and that is to look at it as raw talent, and what temporary people considered as raw talent when they could compare it with other drivers. For example Senna was such a raw talent because people who had knowledge about the sport in those days recognized his talent and they spoke about it because it was exceptional, but if you would put his data in a spread sheet he might come short to become the GOAT based on performance because he didn't live long enough to put the results on paper. However, that might also be a parameter of talent. One could argue that his accident might have been an indicator that he took too much risks, which would be a negative input parameter for the GOAT rankings.
And there is also the type of GOAT of pure admiration. When you are a kid, and you see someone that you can relate to on the track, he can be the GOAT even if he is always the last guy to finish the race. And why not.
At the end of the day we should appreciate all the drivers. And we should give all the kids the space to admire their own hero's. I am a Verstappen fan, but at the moment my GOAT is Lewis Hamilton. What he did is something really special. And he is still going strong. Maybe one day Max can be the GOAT, but it is not his time yet. But let's not rule out Vettel, or Alonso. I mean, these guys are living history, in the best possible meaning of the word, and they are still competing. Which is also fairly unique in the world of sport.
I would like to give Lauda a shout. Not only for what he achieved on track, maby even more for what he brought to the sport behind the scenes.
Clearly missed the entire point of this video. You have absolutely failed the assignment, just accept it.
Not that Lewis is the "goat" as WTF1 explains, since it's impossible to define that, but as the only driver who is considered "black" to have ever make it to F1, as a full-time driver after 75 years of the sport, Lewis has done something literally no-one else has ever done - factually.
Again, this isn't to say he is the greatest, though that is true in my personal opinion however not objectively true, similar to total wins, poles, and podiums Lewis' record is a thing no-one else has ever done in F1, period. You can jog right off with your idea that no-one else has done more for the sport before, or since on and off the track, it would be illogical.
You wouldn't say that Niki is a worthy option, being the "black sheep" in an ultra-rich Austrian Banking family, nor would you if Lewis was of Swedish or German nationality, and if he was Chinese, Korean or some other typically marginalized identity you wouldn't even dare to say it on the internet in 2022.
@@LtNduati Ok, you're reading something I didn’t write.
If you take everything in consideration. The ability to dominate continuously (like Hamilton with Mercedes), to take inferior machinery to places they don't belong (like Alonso with Ferrari), and most of all, transform a team and lead its people to glory (like Fangio with every team he raced with), you end up with Schumacher.
Yep. Him or senna. The top of the top in the 2 beneficial driving styles in f1. Schumi was a very clean driver when it came to racing lines. Senna took a lesser car and made it work due to being on the limit. There's only 1 driver today that comes close if he can keep it up and that's max. Lewis will end up being the best of the rest. Amazing driver but not transcending like schumi senna and potentially max
Max would beat all three of them in either their own cars or ours.
Schumi took a 2005 Ferrari that had stood a chance against any possible podium finish to get some of those. And I still remember that 1996-1999 was about him in an inferior machinery and transformed it.
@@de4ds1ghtcsgo94 Hamilton would be somewhat equal to Vettel when it comes to this.
That or someone like Alain Prost, Nelson Piquet or Nigel Mansell.
@@kohikappu way above average but not special like what max did last year. The only reason that car was even in contention was max. Swap lewis and max and without a doubt lewis would be fighting to get in 3rd let alone win.
As mentioned, currently aspects like training regimes (also sleep and nutrition) and set ups are much more pronounced and I would like to think aside from a few exceptions the grid is more competitive than ever and strides are made into more categories/detail awareness and almost the detail-fetish is bigger than ever - especially in terms of sim work. The way some drivers now change their settings on the wheel multiple times throughout the lap, adapt to wind, are and have to be aware of tyre and engine temps (/track), are thinking about placing the car, playing with DRS detection and slipstream, adapt to tyre compounds, fuel loads and track evolution, adapt to the heavy physical impact of these cars on the neck/G-Forces, manage their tires but also how they communicate with the team during this and taking part in strategy and outside of races work with the team, how aren't these the greatest drivers when you could just turn up drunk and or smoking or not trained fully and win races. May be unpopular as an opinion and the challenge is different but considering how the optimazation takes over a bigger almost every single aspect and is as a whole bigger than ever before, current gen drivers should be better. Safety is addressed often but although it not comparable fully, it's still not completely without risks and sadly there were still deaths with Antoine Hubert and Jules Bianci for instance and throwing in a car with cornering speeds higher than ever (also in the rain) must still require bravery. It should never be entertainment off a regular death case sport anyway
I can't even think of how often I made exactly that argument.
There's an exclusive club of the best drivers F1 has ever seen, but comparing them with each other is just not possible.
Thank you. Ffs
I'll stop calling Lewis Hamilton the GOAT 🐐 when everyone else stops calling everyone else the GOAT 🐐
I am a Verstappen fan and I will never call him that simply because I 100% agree with this video. Look at comments on the Mercedes F1 social media pages. Even the team refers to LH as the goat constantly. I don't know of any other team calling their drivers that. Not even fans. The only 2 drivers that are usually called the goat are Schumacher and Senna.
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I mean this should be fairly obvious. Just because I want to I'll make a list of the drivers I personally and probably many others would consider to be among the greatest ever.
Juan-Manuel Fangio, Alberto Ascari, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, Michael Schumacher, Mika Häkkinen, Fernando Alonso, Kimi Räikkönen, Sebastian Vettel, Lewis Hamilton.
I feel like those are the ones who absolutely belong into this category. Also I want to add that Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc and George Russell have the potential to be among those greats too sometime in the future. In my opinion it's just a bit too early to judge them as they have not had a very long career yet. But they could absolutely become one of the greats. At least that's the way I see it.
It's Nico Rosberg for sure. He had better performance than Schumacher during 10-12, and beat Hamilton to win the WDC. These two 7 times WDC beaten by him, plus the WDC he won, making him a 15 times WDC, the GOAT🤣
A good point 😂 .
Also He was unlucky in 2014 season . If it wasn't for the reliability issues he could have beaten Hamilton in 2014 itself.
If I scratch my ass and don’t smell anything, do I have COVID or do I have a clean ass?
Asking the important questions.
Of course there is a g.o.a.t in F1, Michael Schumacher! Or maybe is just my tiffosi talking eheh
I agree that it is impossible to define the greatest of all time, in F1 or all sports, different times, different machines, tracks or rules, like if you take football/soccer for example, can you compare Pele to Ronaldo? Again different times, different tactics, just the weight of the ball was different. Guess you have to pick the one you loved more and in my case Mick Schumacher all the way
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I think GOAT will forever be a debate in most sports. There's just so many factors and F1 seems to be a lot more complicated even compared to team sports like basketball.
I think the main thing that makes it complicated for F1 is that there can be really small difference in driver skills but there can be a huge difference in the cars that many cars in the grid don't really stand a chance to win except in a disastrous race with many accidents or incidents.
Maybe for sports that are mostly individual, it's easier to tell who's the GOAT, maybe like tennis?
Well we all have our GOAT. Personally even when I see someone mention my GOAT I quickly run away from that comment section because everyone will be pouring their opinions and others toxic.
Numbers don't lie. Even when adjusted only one name remains. Sir Lewis Hamilton 🐐
You failed to understand what this video was about. And even this comment is probably just throwing pearls before swine.
By the way, numbers do lie very often. Don't use general statements like that as "proof".
I honestly think it’s Ayrton senna. After he died his driving style became extinct until recently. I’ve left it up to interpretation who I think that driver is that revived it.
I thought Max, but since you said recently, I kind of seeing it in Tsunoda's driving style for a reason.
@@kohikappu ur first answer is spot on lol. Tsunoda I don’t think is as reckless as senna was. Senna would give you an accident and it is your choice whether you want to have that accident or not.
@@thelittleowl1 Agreed. Max seemed to be very aggressive and he seemed to not give a damn about what people or any driver think about his driving style. Hence, there is a video explained that Senna's driving style wouldn't work in F1, the irony.
@@kohikappu it worked! And it won verstappen a title! (He pushed the boundaries a few times tbf but the stewards were super inconsistent)
Nice video, the car you have plays a big role and can get a driver 90% of the way there. That last 10% is always the hardest and that is where the driver comes in.
Senna was good in every car he drove. Schumacher took a poor team and brought them up to one of the greatest of all time. Hamilton inherited a great car and did what was expected in the best machinery.
I think it goes to Schumacher IMO
Hamilton's rookie career was something else. And you can't say "It was a good car" since his teammate was Alonso, 2005 and 2006 Champion. The new guy showed up in 2007, and beat the 05 06 champion.
Statistically, yes. But imo, pure driving skill, goes to Senna. He was just incredible.
when hamilton went to merc they were just a midfield team so he did not just inherit a good car
since the schumi days no driver has really ever gone to a team and brought them up, and even then he didnt do it alone he just had to be the number 1 driver that ferrari put all their trust in
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 exactly the hard work put in 09-12 is meaningless, because Lewis😉
Michael Schumacher is the Greatest of all time in my eyes.
You can make GOATIFI if you hand him down a superior car to oppositions and Yuji Ide being his teammate. He dominating Yuji all the times would look to be such a GOAT performance. It was very much what happened to MS. He get handed down a losers teammates all the times and superior cars to the oppositions. One of those two privileges missing, his GOAT performance also gone. His comeback in 2010 went dismal because he had no longer the two privileges anymore. He got obliterated for 3 consecutive years by his should be wing man. However, the wing man insisted not be.
@@madjayax731 like Barrichello, the same guy people always claim he's one of the best drivers to never win a championship, or Irvine, the guy who nearly beat Hakkinen in 99?
You severely overestimate how many dominant cars Schumacher had, the only truly dominant cars he had were 2001, 2002, and 2004.
He wasn't as good in the 2010s because he was retired for 3 years, coming back from a serious neck injury. And the longer he was at Merc, the more often he would beat Rosberg in qualifying and races
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@@fazzzykahn6516 wow, good response, I'm now totally convinced that what I said was wrong
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I always said only that can be a goat to me who made some never ever seen before drivings on the grid. I’m not talkin about Ricciardos dive in overtakes, more like sennas tappin throttling in corners, alonsos rough entries… something that just other drivers have never thought of.
Your right! I always thought about that and i don’t know why people still want choose GOAT Phenomenal video but I like Ayrton Senna.
2009 McLaren was only bad the first half of the season and 2013 Mercedes were clearly 2nd best, almost equal to red bull the first half of the season
Hamilton input raised the level at Mercedes
There is and will always only be Michael Schumacher! #KeepFightingMichael!
After racing against max on iracing I can definitely say hes a high contender. That kid could do great in almost any series.
uh lord mahaveer,maldonado and GOATifi. Oh and Al Pease!
There can never be a GOAT in F1 but here comes Sebastian Vettel….
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 well now he is
That doesn’t make sense since Hamilton beat him in a straight fight in 2018. Vettel had the fastest car for the majority of the races yet made too many mistakes like locking up in Baku and crashing in Hockenheim. Hamilton also had one mechanical DNF vs Vettel’s 0 mechanical DNF, so Vettel really should’ve won the title, but he didn’t.
@@versiable8041 yeah I agree,2018 season was a disaster
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 well at least this season.he has scored 13 points and Daniel has scored 15 despite having a better car and having participated in 2 mores races than seb.but let's stop all these arguments and be happy with what we like
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 I have proof that Kvyat is better than Ricciardo.
But Nico Roberg beat Hamilton with the same machinery
1 time
One year, the year when Hamilton's engines stopped working
I'm already commenting and agreeing just by reading the title of this video! 😅
But yes this is such a unique sport (beautiful!!!) I agree we will never have G.O.A.T but hay leave us be Matt let's keeping arguing with our blinded passion 🤭😂😂😆 for the greatest of an era 😁
Great video!!! We needed this!
You have a similar situation with boxing, across eras and weight divisions. Yet, there is a way to have a debate through comparing records, overall impact, how dominant the driver was in his era etc.
It's the pound for pound equivalent.
Going by that concept, it's Hamilton and Schumacher neck to neck IMO
Hamilton has 7 titles (should have 8 , thanks goatifi), most wins, most podiumns, most points, most poles, Most consecutive points finishes (literally doubling schumacher),most Total laps led,most Total races finished in the points and another half dozen records and he might just get more titles and a lot more points and wins..Thats goat status to me
Most "luckiest" too .
To have driven a better machinery for so long
Lewis Hamilton is the GOAT.
Jack Brabham
designed the car
built the car
drove the car
Plus that time at Sebring when he had to push the car over the line to win the championship.
And a fellow Aussie. (I may be just a little biased with this last point)
I think Martin Brundle said something along the lines of "the top 10 of all time is widely accepted, as it the top 5 anything beyond that is down to personal preference" and I think he was spot on. I've always said the top 3 are Schumi, Senna and Clark but I can't pick a number one. However, Schumi will always be my hero and I don't really care if others think he's the GOAT or not anymore.... #keepfightingmichael love you Schumi x
Yes it can. Objectively, by the numbers, it's Lewis.
In reality, everybody knows its Ayrton. And if you say otherwise, your opinion is, in fact, wrong.
You just contradicted yourself. You said the goat is determined by numbers but then you said the real goat is someone that doesn't have the most wins or championships. So saying senna is the goat is your opinion. I agree with it, but it is an opinion.
Greatest: Micheal
Most succes: Lewis
Fastest cornering: Ayrton
Most fearsome: Ayrton, more options available for this one
Biggest fanbase thinking he is the undisputed greatest of all time: Lewis
Best driver based on the opinion of people who HAVE ever driven a car: Lewis not even top 10
There will be a GOAT one day. For now it is okay to say Micheal was the best driver in f1 for the last 75 years.
Pretty most people think schumi is the goat and the masses hate Lewis and think he is whiny and cringe
Great video! I've made this point many times!
I think it most other sports it is easier to select a “goat” simply because it is more physical ability based (Football, Basketball etc) and yes the sports advance in terms of speed, tactics etc however in F1 it is impossible because tracks change, cars change and tyres etc
Even having the driving data available changes everything because it provides massive insight into how to fine tune the car.