The Wreck of IJN Musashi - The Less Famous Super Battleship
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2024
- If you ask someone to name a Japanese warship, they'll probably answer 'Yamato' in a heartbeat. In fairness, the super-battleships are well known. Yamato, in particular, has multiple anime and movies to point to.
This does, however, mean that her sister- Musashi -is less well known or appreciated. This extends to the wreck. Yamato's wreck is well known, up to and including the odd harebrained scheme to raise some of it. Musashi's wreck, on the other hand, is talked about less.
There was the big media event when the wreck was first discovered, but that faded relatively quickly. A shame, because this is every bit as interesting a wreck to look at. And the search to find it was an eight year long odyssey that deserves a measure of respect all its own.
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Way cooler than Bill Gates
@@brownwrenchwho's bill grates?
Yeah, if he was still around. Who knows what other wrecks he have found by now. Maybe Soryu & Hiryu would be found
@@brownwrench Bill Gates is devoted to totally lame goals like curing Malaria and perfecting safe, scalable nuclear power. /s
It's a shame how after he passed away his sister refused to follow his wishes, and instead of keeping his projects intact sold them all. R/V Petrel, Flying Heritage aircraft collection... all sold.
At 8:55 the Japanese writing roughly translates, left to right, as '"center gun - air pressure gauge" and "right gun - air pressure gauge." Presumably the one to the extreme left, just barely in frame, is "left gun - air pressure gauge." That would make that the control panel for the compressed air manifold used after firing the guns to shoot a blast of compressed air through the barrels to clear them of any stray burning embers or combustion byproducts before the gun crews open the breeches for reloading. If you watch any video of the Iowa-class battleships firing their main guns, you can see a streamer of white smoke pouring from the barrels in a puff a few seconds after firing; same thing.
Awesome ! Thank you !
The US didn't know how many bombs and torpedoes it was going to take to sink her. They did know how many they were going to use.
All of them
The experience gained from attacking Musashi was used in planning the strike against Yamato, especially for the torpedo planes. While attacks from all directions make it much harder for the target ship to avoid torpedo hits, it is preferable to cause flooding along one side rather than on both, the idea being to cause the ship to first list to one side and then continue rolling until she capsizes. In Musashi, flooding from port side hits was often countered by starboard side hits. The effect is similar to deliberate "counter-flooding" by the ship's damage control teams, though if you hit her with enough torps the flooding eventually becomes uncontrolled and down she goes. Yamato (IIRC) was hit by 9 torps on one side and only 1 on the other (there's always someone who doesn't get the word ... or ignores it.) Yamato actually did capsize, explode and sink more quickly than Musashi did as her damage control teams couldn't deliberately counterflood quickly enough to stabilize her.
In both ships the explosions were of their magazines, I surmise caused by uncontrolled fires below deck reaching handling rooms and eventually the propellant powder magazines outside of the main barbettes.
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Both vessels only exploded after capsizing (in Musashi’s case after she was fully submerged) so I assume the capsizing was the cause, as happened with Barham. The explosions were the result and not the cause of their sinking, and not really indicative of possible defects in their magazines and handling spaces.
Well said. @@robertf3479
@@bkjeong4302 You need to understand that a number of things were happening as the ships sank. There were internal fires that the water had not yet reached in or near the powder magazines, probably shells in the handling rooms breaking loose although they probably hadn't been armed as yet, powder "cans" breaking free and breaking open, fires in and around the boiler rooms and ready service fuel tanks, perhaps fires around diesel and aviation gas storage areas. As I wrote I "suspect" from how widespread the explosive damage of Musashi was the main gun propellant mags went up, perhaps triggered by secondary armament mag explosions in a chain reaction as Drachinifel conjectures happened to trigger HMS Hood's main mag explosion.
We will probably never know for certain what triggered the explosions in either ship although we do have survivor testimony from Yamato that even as she capsized there were internal fires raging. We can only make educated guesses based on things like that testimony and by experience and examination of similar occurrences.
Might also want to add that implosion might have also played a role since due to her design and having so many compartments, it's probable that some areas within her weren't filled with water and due to the ever increasing pressure put on her she began to buckle before imploding, kind of like Derbyshire thou I'm not sure but could've also been a factor since it might have weaken her already damages hull.
Musashi was both Yamamoto and the Emperor's flagship at one point during its service.
Apparently some of the crew of the Masashi survived and ended up on Fort Drum in the Philippines. A literal concrete Battleship island, they would die there after refusing to surrender. 'Calum' has a good video on it.
RIP Musashi and crew.
I remember a Japanese professor doing a computer animation of Musashi explosion on her way down, if it happened on the surface, it would have been downright terrifying that I think Yamato’s and Hood’s explosions were pale in comparison.
I mean, damn, the entire ship aft of the no. one barbette all the way to her stern just before the propeller shafts was basically blown apart. Even Yamato is still in better shape.
I kinda interest in Musashi more than Yamato though, being Admiral Yamato last flagship afterall.
Personally, I prefer Yamato in large part to her combat at the battle off Samar, sinking or helping to sink the escort carrier Gambier Bay and the destroyers Johnston and Hoel.
All US ships sank at the Battle of Samar were sunk by IJN Yamato’s primary 18.1” or its secondary... that ship hit everything, which made me wonder how good it’s fire control and artillery crew were, or how bad were ones on the other 3 battleships and cruisers.
For those who claim 18.1” artillery were useless... no it wasn’t
@@RebeccaCampbell1969 Mostly right. The frigate Samuel B Roberts was sunk by three 14-inch shells from the battlecruiser Kongo at 9,000 yards.
Johnston and Gambier Bay were both scorched by 18.1-inch shells, and if the ensuing damage didn’t sink them directly it significantly contributed to their sinking, while after being battered by Kongo and a heavy cruiser, a 6.1-inch shell from Yamato’s secondary battery knocked out Hoel’s last boiler.
@@RebeccaCampbell1969The Japanese were so close they couldn't miss!!! Those 18.1 guns were not very accurate past 17 miles. They were not aligned properly when installed in the ship yard during construction. They also had a very slow rate of fire.
Living in Surigao my family and I got to meet and spend time with Rob Kraft and Paul Meyers from the RV Petrel when they were here searching for the remains of the Battle of the Surigao Strait. These guys really knew their stuff. We got a tour of the Petrel. Wow! Super technology.
Tbh I only watched a detailed video about her sinking last month. One of the biggest naval battles in WW2. Yet her sinking is never really brought up. Even though it was the biggest ship sunk during it. Crazy.
It's the biggest naval battle in the history of naval warfare. By number of ship's involved and by geography. 4 separate Japanese task groups. And the U.S 7th and 3rd fleet's was involved. It was the old battleships of the 7th fleet that stopped the Japanese in the Surigao Strait. And would see the sinking of the last carrier to take part in the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Zuikaku.
So it looks like the ammo exploded on the way to the bottom. Maybe the ship tilted just enough for that to happen, and that's why it's in so many different pieces. Yes it was bombarded and torpedoed, but it looked like internal detonation damage to me.
Thank you for covering one of the most kindred ships in my little nerd wheelhouse of maritime history. I always think of this ship like a little sister to Yamato, although someone check me on this if I am incorrect, I don't think Musashi ever fired her main guns in anger. The Yamato sisters were some of the most impressive, and heavily armed warships ever made by human hands. Each of them has their own unique story, and they all share the tragic fact that they went under with a horrific amount of killed and wounded still aboard. Each one is the grave of over one thousand souls, and it makes the broken wrecks of Yamato and Musashi all the more poignant to examine. I hope one day that Shinano's resting place is found in my lifetime, so that I can be there for when all three of the Yamato sisters are finally accounted for, and so I can finally see what Shinano looked like, even if it's only looking at her bones.
Thank you for covering this wreck!! I had never seen pics of her wreck until your vid, and it's easy to understand why distinct photos of her wreck are limited. Let's all hope that she, alongside her crew, can rest at peace, and forever undisturbed.
One thing I notice with people as they become more into maritime history. It starts of with Yay!!! they killed xxx number of (insert enemy) to OMG xxx men died when that ship sank. And the other thing. All wrecks matter.
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I'm glad you mentioned that. I started off my interest in maritime history with a very myopic view. I was mainly interested in learning about the battle rather than the crew that fought it, or on the state of the wreck rather than treating it like a gravesite. It has only been within the last few years that my interests have shifted to a more human centric perspective, where the nationality doesn't matter as much as the loss of life itself. Every shipwreck to me is something akin to hallowed ground. They are meant to rest in a peaceful slumber, and to guard the souls who have been brought down with them. Yamato, Musashi, and Shinano are no different than other kindred shipwrecks home to a vast quantity of souls. They are graveyards, and they deserve to be treated with the respect that such a site deserves.
@@glenchapman3899 My father (RNZN) always said the war at sea was never about killing people. It was always the machines that were the target. Once they ceased to be a problem, you rescued the survivors if you were able.
She did fire her 18.1" guns during the Battle of Leyte Gulf. She fired the special anti aircraft rounds. Her and the Yamato fired those rounds during that battle.
Like you, i would like to see the Shinano resting place. In believe she will be intact. Now whether she's upright, or upsidedown is another matter.
I wonder how much longer it'll take to find the wreck of Shinano, not only her, but also the other lost carriers, such as Hiryu and Soryu.
Is there anyone even looking right now?
Not that I’m aware of. Petrel is owned by the Navy now, and the more recent wreck survey’s by Nautilus were just looking at already discovered wrecks.
Last major search effort was Caladan, looking for Gambier Bay and finding Sammy instead. I’m unaware of anyone (them or otherwise) planning other expeditions.
A well-placed source has hinted to me that NOAA will be taking a stab at finding Soryu's wreck this year, as now that Akagi and Kaga's positions are known the search area can be narrowed down drastically. As for Hiryu, she sank so far north of the other three that she'll be much harder to find. She was last spotted by Hosho's scout planes about two hours before she sank, but I haven't found anything in Hosho's air group records that gives a proper position. Drift analysis could help narrow that down quite a bit, as the exact time of her sinking, weather conditions, and sea states are well documented, as is the position at which she was abandoned, but it won't be an easy or quick search. As for Shinano, she sits firmly within Japan's 200-mile exclusion zone, and to date haven't given anyone permission to go hunting for her. Given that as part of her conversion the Japanese dispensed with the barbettes and magazines, and she wasn't carrying munitions that burned or exploded as she sank, I have hopes that she's at least one piece. There is much about Shinano's design and conversion that could be learned from surveying her wreck.
Both of the carriers were discovered in the early 2000s, and you can find videos of them on YT.
I think all of these carriers were found
Great introductory photograph which I haven’t seen in sixty years of interest from early fascination. 👍🏻🏴
So was the Yamato. During the Battle of Midway she was his flagship.
when i view these great ships, from all nations, my thoughts go to the split second that the crews know they are going to die..and the ones who lingered way to long in the throes of dying..the horror..the pain..their last thoughts of loved ones..makes one consider the travesty of war.may all the souls RIP..ths Sky for another great video..
When the alarm sounds, all hatches are closed - it's then that you know your fate.
Mushashi and Yamato both took enough bombs and torpedoes to sink all four of the Iowa class battleships. They were about as close to unsinkable as it is possible to get.
Just like Bismarck & Tirpitz, many know of 1 barely any about the other.
At 6:52 the Japanese characters are 「主弁取手」(shubentotte) and「開」(kai), which mean "Main Valve" and "Open" respectively. They were a bit hard to read, but with a zoom in, my Japanese colleague (a history teacher) was able to decipher them.
So ironic that after years of hiding their very existence, the IJN would basically sacrifice both Yamato and Musashi in last-ditch efforts to stop the progress of the allies towards the home islands. Of course by then Japan was running out of everything so possibly they figured to play their hold cards while they still could. Either way, these magnificent ships met very unfitting ends.
What could they really do? Battleships were obsolete, and if you spend a huge amount of resources on them you are supposed to use them. Japan could have built 4 or more shokaku class carriers instead of the yamatos.
Otherwise USA would have blow up it in the Operation Crossroads as the other captured ships and some their own
Yeah, that's something I didn't think about. Bikini atoll would certainly have been a less dignified end. @@Vanha21
They scuttled the yamato didn't they? They didn't want the ships getting into allied hands I thought.
@@andythoms8130 it was sunk by 400 American planes
U did a great job narrating. And thx for posting this. U got me as a subscriber.
Regarding the propeller, not only does it appear to be bent slightly, but its also been shoved out by about 5-10 feet from inside the ship.
Thats incredible. Means either the thrust bearing got destroyed or the shaft got broken somewhere inside the ship.
The most beautiful/intimidating ships in the world belonged to the Japanese. Just something about their massive forecastles that I really like
Nah
Yeah, those ships really were something else. It’s a shame it they’re at the bottom of the ocean. I really wish that the Japanese command had a little more common sense and realize that Okinawa was a lost cause and kept Yamato to defend the home islands that way we could see one of the biggest battleships ever created still today but even then if Yamato had survived, she probably would’ve been confiscated by the United States either scrapped or scuttle used in the nuclear test sites. It would be a very small probability that she would’ve been turned into a museum ship, though it would’ve been awesome. The only reason I’m talking about Yamato is because I don’t think Musashi would’ve survived the war either way when you look at it even for the best circumstances for her and even then, even if she did survive, she probably would’ve spared the same fate as Yamato if they had both survived, it would’ve been very rare if they were turned into museums though it would’ve been awesome. But alas, ships like them were not meant to stay in Harbor.😢
@@spencerwoodiwiss6766 Knowing the US they proably would have used one for target practice for their weapons and another one for Baker and Abel since if the last floating battleship Nagato wasnt spared I doubt the much bigger would be either.
Still maybe if the US had allowed Japan to keep it's self armed to a higher degree rather than forcing them to demileterize, things might have gone differently.
The way it sounds, the boilers exploded. It probably set off all the magazines as well. Probably, the reason the bow survived is because it was so compromised that it either broke off before the explosion, or it was blown off.
It had to have been deep as well. Nobody reported anything. The water pressure could have contained the explosion so the bow and stern doesn't look so bad.
With the size of the ship and the amount of armor to it, it could have sustained an implosion. Cold water could have triggered the boiler explosion and bulkheads was the only direction it could go.
In other words, it's an explosion that wouldn't have happened on the surface. Yamato had a magazine explosion. A boiler explosion on the surface would have blown up through the stacks. If it blew up the oil, it might have blown the ship in two and it could have destroyed the superstructure. It may have blown up some of the AA ammunition and the secondary gun ammunition. I don't think it would have been able to blow either of the main magazines. When you look at Arizona, her magazine explosion set off some of the secondary magazines and ruptured some of the oil tanks. With this much damage, it had to have been such a confined explosion as to destroy the ship. The Scorpion doesn't have this much damage and it was submerged as well.
As all maritime buffs know, Titanic had not one, but two sister ships: Olympic (lead ship) and Britannic (the last). They were Olympic-class ocean liners. They had their slight differences (incremental improvements), but all built from the same set of blueprints. Of the trio, Titanic is the most prolific of them all, for her fate. However, at the time of her maiden (and only) voyage, there was nothing particular about her in the British press at that time. Just a second ship of her class (or lineage). All the fanfare and euphoric revolved around Olympic. Not only the first of her class, but the largest ship of Great Britain and the BIGGEST in the world. Titanic got the explosive attention retroactively, after the news of her demise broke out. After all, she was marginally heavier then Olympic and everyone knew just how she (Olympic) was big and rugged.
What is peculiar that no one is particularly interested in Germany's (HAPAG) Imperator-class ocean liners (Imperator, Vaterland/Leviathan & Bismarck/Majestic), that were significantly larger then the Olympics, and were the biggest moving objects until the completion of France's Normandie (Compagnie Générale Transatlantique).
Since the three of them had a long and prosperous careers (excluding Vaterland/Leviathan, since it was a part United States Lines and they were never good at managing their fleet) until they were scrapped.
What is interesting is that the Britannic had all kinds of safety upgrades because of the Titanic sinking. Yet she sank faster than her more famous sister ship when she hit a mine.
@@CRAZYHORSE19682003 In 45-50 minutes😓
Through it's entire career as a hospital ship (HMHS), she always sailed with her watertight bulkhead doors closed. So, she should have survived (stayed afloat) after her contact with naval mine. So, what happened?🤔
The stokers. They had a change of shift that morning. It was a procedure that would take ~5 minutes. In order to do that, watertight bulkhead doors would had to be opened. It just so happened that this was the exact time (very short) frame when Britannic struck the mine on her starboard side. Bow was violent shaken. It caused (most likely outcome) the door frames to be warped, thus being unable to seal the affected compartments. Should she struck a mine at any different time frame, she would have stayed afloat. Patched up. Survived the war. Refurbished, fully repaired and all of her luxury service fittings installed and used in her intended role as an ocean liner for the White Star Line after the war. Alas, that is not what happened😢
@@justapeasant8949 Thanks for that, I never knew why she sank so fast.
@@CRAZYHORSE19682003 Other contributing factors for her speedy demise include leaving portholes opened by nurses (for fresh air).
Historian Mark Feldon said it best "After the rise of carrier aviation the Musashi and Yamato were the right ships for the wrong war"
Musashi and Yamato are the most famous and biggest warships ever.
Great job as per usual. Keep up the good work.
She helped give us the subsequent parts of the battle by taking all that fire. Imagine if our planes had managed to distribute it to the rest of the fleet.
Great video. Relatively shallow dept at a half mile down. Musashi, if I'm not mistaken, absorbed more torpedo hits than any other warship, especially if the upper number of around 18 hits is correct. And it still took about 7 hrs to sink.
Possible hits since it's a guess. Scharnhorst took a good 15 confirmed torpedo hits which may outdo Musashi if she didn't get all 18.
@@francischambless5919 Yes, I was thinking of Sharnhorst, too, a much smaller warship.
Yamato and Musashi took a heck of a beating. A ton of torpedoes and bombs. Shinano took four torpedoes and sunk. Post war found design flaws in the Yamato class anti-torpedo defenses. The Archerfish hit right at the weakest point in this defense. Granted, Yamato and Musashi had an experienced crew and ships that have been around for awhile, but who knows what would happen if they were hit in the same areas as well.
@@michaelpiatkowskijr1045 Shinano wasn't even finished, had water tight doors left open, seals not installed. I doubt only 4 torpedoes regardless of where they struck could have taken down the 2 BBs.
@@suspiciousminds1750 true, but they did find issues with the design. They also found the torpedoes struck right at the weakest parts of the torpedo defense. Abe had expressed issues with running the ship before it was finished. Still, the ship should have been able to take 4 torpedoes, close up doors, and counter flood to save the ship. How many torpedoes did West Virginia take at Pearl Harbor and it was saved?
Yes, the ship wasn't ready. I don't think there was doors left open. Post war investigation found out they never pressure tested the hull and the compartments were not water tight. They also found an I beam busted into another engineering space by one of the torpedoes. That was one of the weak points in the torpedo defense. Still, it should have been able to survive at least long enough to either beach the ship or to be a to counter flood and start pumping out water. This was one of the reasons why Japanese damage control is questioned. You can point at the civilians and engineers on the ship. These are still people who know the ship and know what to do. There was plenty of naval personnel that could do the job. The commander of Archerfish set the torpedoes to hit above the torpedo defense as well. It's still the largest ship sunk by a submarine in the world.
Apologies that should be the second photograph of her forward deck which gives a true indication of her size. 👍🏻🏴
Mitscher: Alright, well that’s the only mission for today. So, uh what do you girls want to do.
Intrepid: Can we have a piñata party?
Halsey: Don’t see why not.
(Musashi piñata drops down and TF 38 breaks out the baseball bats).
TF 38: Yaay!
Musashi had 4 mogami class turrets. The extra 2 are amidship giving her a 9 gun broadside and most likely those are the magazines that blew her center section to pieces. Musashies surviving crew were later burned to death in the retaking of fort drum. Better known as the concrete battleship in Manila bay.
Actually, during her final mission, the 2 extra 6 inch guns on her sides had been removed and replaced by additional anti air platforms.
Friggin war always a tragic waste 😢
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Man, that thing blew into a million pieces. Atleast it was fast for those who went down with her. God rest they're souls. 🙏
Thank you for sharing this
Personally, I’d say Musashi’s lesser fame when compared to Yamato is fairly reasonable. She was the little sister of Yamato, and had a lesser career, including the fact that she never engaged enemy warships, unlike Yamato who scored hits to the escort carrier Gambier Bay and the destroyers Johnston and Hoel, sinking or helping to sink all three ships.
Imho,. . . All propaganda by the IJN, the name Yamato refers to the Japanese people after all. . . Search for Yamato Captain and see for yourself who goes first on the list. They celebrated Kosaku Aruga Fuku Teitoku (posthumous), Ten Go mission aka Musashi Beat down part 2 than Takeo Kurita Fuku Teitoku's Taffy 3 W and yet Inoguchi Toshihira Fuku Teitoku's and his crew's sacrifice that led to Yamato even able to do her "Honorable Death" scene went like a fart in the wind for the IJN, (Although I doubt it was what Musashi's crew wanted for her sister and her crew.) We will never know if Kurita was replaced out of pure decisions by higher ups or dishonorably discharged or losing a capital ship and running tail between his legs minus sepukku for his efforts, either way Kurita admitted himself he made a mistake for leaving Musashi behind and that he also believed that even before Ten Go and Musashi sinking that the War was already lost.
Now let's find the Shinano.
The screw shaft probably bent when the stern hit the bottom, driving the screw into the sea floor, then as the wreck tipped over to lie flat it likely dragged the screw through the sea floor to its present position.
I can't find a video from you on the Yamato, did you do one or plan on it? I've never seen many photos of a wreck of it and the ones I have look like the Musashi
The shaft would start to bow over time. For perspective, in port, modern aircraft carriers have to tune the shaft about a quarter rotation each night in port or else the shafts will bow due to the weight of their propellers.
Maybe a look at IJN Shinano one day
There is an ironic symmetry of history here. Musashi and Yamato were designed to be the victors in a classic Jutland battle line style engagement. To improve their chances in an expected battle of this type, they took out the American battle line at Pearl Harbor with their carrier aviation. At Leyte Gulf they hoped for a last chance surface battle of this kind, where the winning edge would be Musashi and Yamato. American carrier aviation eliminated this possibility, and of course to complete the symmetry later took out Yamato.
The lessons learned in sinking her were put to use against Yamato. In short the U.S. learned to only attack one side of the ship due to the massive size and damage control ability that way the Yamato capsized quicker than Musashi.
Is there a diagram of the complete wreck?
never saw overlapping turret roof armor before
Almost all the japanese navy laying under water - and then most remember that they build Yamato and Musashi hidden behind huge bamboo shades during the stayin in the ship yard - hence the very very few photoes excisting of the 2 ships and the relative little information from the 2 69.000 tons nearly 300 meter long warship - the Shinamo was converted to hangarskib style but was sunk before any service time .
How did they get the ships log and who would enter how many times they were hit
I enjoy the warship wreck programs, however, an earlier viewing yesterday of an Italian wreck in the Mediterranean "The Roma" sinking by the Luftwaffe in 1944 shows the same pieces of wreckage as I am viewing now in your video. Makes me wonder who is cribbing who's video?
Given that Musashi's only real accomplishment was getting sunk, it's not that surprising that it's less well known. It's the Tirpitz to Yamato's Bismarck - yeah, Musashi and Tirpitz both existed, but neither really did anything of consequence.
Strange, considering that Musashi went into battle more, while the Yamato is mostly relegated at its port most of the time. So in actuality, Musashi=Bismarck while the Yamato=Tirpitz.
@@inisipisTV Musashi sortied more, but was pretty light on battling. Yamato, like Bismarck, actually fought enemy ships, while Musashi just sailed around until it got overkilled by a bunch of planes.
Musashi I think of the pair was the more impressive. It's crew was more highly trained and the sheer amount of damage the vessel took is nothing short of staggering as she took more hits than the entire Battleship row at Pearl Harbor. While she was sunk, her participation in Center Force and the subsequent focus of the attacking aircraft on her allowed most of the rest of Center Force to escape the aerial attacks that day relatively unscathed.
The significance of a lower engineering space valve isn't what it was used for. The significance is that it's visible and accessible, meaning that space was opened to the sea.
Parallel parked by the UNITED STATES NAVY!
10 to 20+ torpedos... 10 to 20 bombs (armor piercing)???
How many were actually needed to sin either Yamato class battleships? 10? 5? Like the pre second war battleships?
I think these super tough, at least as Iowa class are, if not tougher.
Hull structure has flaws, or so I have been told... but size and armor alone do a lot of endurance job.
And sadly like it was with all armored ships of war they do behave like the “other crew”... fighting to save the sailors fighting to save the Ship-crewman.
Castles in the ocean, that’s how I think of war ships
Both were tough and were designed to engage and destroy multiple enemy battleships while outnumbered. The IJN recognized they couldn't begin to match the numbers of ships either the USN or RN could construct or bring to a fight. They estimated the likely size of the main weapons that would be mounted in either USN or RN ships (16") and planned accordingly. Some of the armor plates that were to go into the Shinano reached 27" thick, turret faces discovered at a shipyard outside of Nagasaki.
Unfortunately many of the records of the construction of Yamato, Musashi and Shinano were deliberately destroyed to prevent capture when Japan finally surrendered so much of what we have today is either 2nd hand information from yard workers and sailors who worked on them or from examination of the wrecks. Up to then the best the allies had were estimates made from aerial photography and submarine sightings.
They were so secret that we (USN) never knew exactly how large they were, how much they displaced or even how large the main guns were until after the surrender. Until that information was discovered after VJ Day the USN thought they were armed with a type of 16" gun. Stocks of main gun shells discovered made it obvious how wrong the estimates were.
A beautiful battleship while afloat, however.
"TOKI WA KITARERI!" translating to "TIME'S OVER!"
Musashi got an anime also. Highschool Fleet has the protagonists chasing an out of control Musashi.
The boil part came from inside the boiler by the look of the item. So the boiler itself must of completely broken apart.
To be honest I think battleship Yamato is way more famous than her sister ship , Musashi both ships were great.
And yet the Shinano which had the same hull went down very easily. Of course she should not have been at sea; not really finished.
That it took to sink the Musashi stunned the USN. No one could believe a shit would take so much punishment and still float.
Which is why the decided to capsize the Yamato. The massive Pagoda superstructure made virtually all Japanese ships from heavy cruisers up top heavy
Grandpa was in Leyte Gulf, he said it was pure Hell.
It seems the wreck of the ship is not exactly ship shape because of the damage that occurred.
A lot of pre 45' steel there.
I saw those anime movies in the 80s, very imaginative, unlike American one's with talking farm animals.
I wouldn't say exploded more like imploded from the pressure much like Titanic.
So, When are They going to start looking for the Shinano, The Supposed Third Battleship in the Class, Converted to the World's First Supercarrier?
Shinano isnt discovered yet?!
Not that has been made public but speculation exists that a team of private Japanese have located the wreck.
@@zilladthrilla where did you heard this?
The yacht in the picture is not the *Octopus*
Well spotted. It is the M/Y Tatoosh, which was also owned by Paul Allen.
…Daaaarn* you Combined Fleet, you lied to me.
(When checking to see what they had on the wreck, that was listed as Octopus.)
*you know what I mean, but RUclips be picky with language
@@Ambugginfly that was easy for me. "Octopus" greated me for nearly to years every morning when I came to the shipyard for work.
At 9:56 either those anemones are the size of two grown men or that is a small boat propeller.
U have to tip ur hat to the Japanese for building they're battleships. They were bad dudes and tough.
someone hurry up and find shinano
Musashi was sunk in the Sibuyan Sea.
Let’s see Paul Allen’s shipwreck hunter card
The real ironic thing about the Yamatos is that they’re wrongly viewed as icons when they never were and were never intended to be by the IJN, only becoming famous years after they’d been sunk. That (combined with their dismal careers, even though that’s really a far more general problem with that entire generation of battleships) has led to a massively flawed view of what these ships symbolize.
I take it IJN Shinano has not yet been located and filmed?
Another crew deserves to get to locate some wrecks other than Petrel
tirpitz; "i feel your pain my asian sister."
Shame as she was named after a national hero
and it was even heavier than the yamato
Star Blazers
Don’t touch my boats. - USA
good times...
昨年亡くなったうちの親父は、海軍特別年少兵、入隊が一年、二年早ければ?電測兵として、乗艦していたかも?
昭和二十年に、海軍電測学校に入隊してます、電測兵だから、最後の最後まで持ち場を離れられず、武蔵と共に
沈んだかも😢
What a waste of good steel. Think of all the rice rocket motorcycles and and drift cars they could have made with all that metal.
The Japanese super battleships only did one thing good and that was sink. The battleships really were not a factor in WW2.
It was wartime, why do you expect any ship that was sunk to be found undamaged, sitting upright, in pristine condition?
Well, the thing is that according to people, Musashi had sunk intact and slowly into the water. She probably blew up out of sight of anyone when she was fully submerged. Also, other ships who have gone thru battle damage can come out better. the thing that happened here is that she blew up, which ripped her apart. Had this not happened, how she was described to have gone down would have been how she would have looked like more or less.
What I find alarming is the people who thinks it's okay to disturb these grave sites. Archeology doesn't make it right
I find quite funny how these japanese "super battleships" explode into a million pieces everytime they sink, lile they were so poorly designed that lead to ammorack detonations pretty easily
Japanese ships always look their best rusting at the bottom of the ocean.
The brutality of the Japanese during WW2 isn't taught, but those of us that know, know.
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While it's important to know that some Japanese did commit atrocities during the war, it's also important not to group all of them as being guilty of said crimes, some of these people where just young sailors who were told to defend their country and died not knowing the thru reason.
Their Battleships typically end up upside down due to the enlarged pagodas(upper works)
@richardjohnson4365 Not really has more to do, so with the damage a vessel suffers, for example, if you had tons of flooding on one side, your ship will list towards that one side and as water accumulates towards that one side until your ship fully capsizes if nothing can be dome to put it under control for example the wreck of Prince of Wales which was British and how Oklahoma ended up belly exposed. Now Another factor that might affect is the depth in which the ship is at since, for example, initially Bismarck had capsized, but as she kept going down, she righted herself.