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This show stars Jeremy Strong ("The Gentlemen"), Sarah Snook ("Predestination"), Brain Cox ("Troy" & "X2: X-Men United"), Kieran Culkin ("Scott Pilgrim vs. the World") and Nicholas Braun ("How to Be Single").
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The scene where Logan slaps Roman is one of my favorite scenes. You see these grown up people suddenly turn into children again and see the dynamic they had. Kendall defending his siblings from their abusive father, Shiv consoling her brother, and poor Roman taking the abuse and being humiliated. This show is layered and so damn good.
and they never ham fisted exposition in with unnatural dialogue, but there are several moments that give the audience a glimpse into their history and let us fill in the blanks. Jesse Armstrong is an exceptional writer.
I love that this scene reveals so much so instantly. All 3 siblings' body language and action just immediately tells us this is not a first. Its just so good
Roman was abused growing up… Shiv made a reference earlier this season that Logan beat him with a slipper in front of everyone for ordering the most expensive thing on the menu. Honestly its a big reason for why Roman is the way he is today
according to the scripts that were released and weren't included in the show. there was a conversation between stewy and kendall after he passed away that how he “threw a show at kendall” because he got the capital of a country wrong and ken regards it as “good technique” and doesn't acknowledge his own abuse when stewy mentions again a game called “dinner for winners” where he made kendall serve stewy food because he lost and the script says “doesn't immediately recalls” meaning he doesn't remember his own abuse :/
@@emaan3484Damn that's even more messed up. I always wondered if Ken was abused by Logan when he was a kid but seeing this info makes me feel more sympathy for his character.
All of them were abused, Logan has probably been violent w Kendall too but Roman was more the subject of the Physical one than any other siblings. It's been referenced over and over. The abuse all siblings suffered is emotional too
@@Missjunebugfreak when you watch 1x04 the dinner for winners game repeats logan sends kendall out of the room to get a file and makes him serve stewy the drink while undermining him in front of stewy again and not even acknowledging that logan knows who stewy was
I hope you see the implication that Logan is physical with Roman and why he's that scared of his dad. Think Boar on the Floor and the Vote of no confidence, summer palace
Kendall's reaction to Logan slapping Roman was devastating and said so much, an older brother who has probably seen that a few times in the past and finally said something
That slap scene tells you SO MUCH as to how their childhood played out. Shiv messes up, but Logan doesn't shout at her for it. As soon as Roman gets involved, he's abused and Kendall's the only one who stands up to his father and protects his brother. Also, notice that Shiv doesn't REALLY know how to console Roman, she's used to being the princess who gets away with anything. I love that even in his broken state, Kendall still yells and stands up to Logan. And now we also get to see why Roman is the way he is
Logan cannot handle people talking about his age or mortality. It was Roman using the word "dinosaur" over and over that set him off. Marcia was first put out in the cold when she suggested he sell the company because "you're old, you've not been well." Instances of this are all over the place, no one can remind Logan he's in his 80s without consequence.
Frankly I'm quite baffled your discussion didn't focus on Logan slapping Roman and the whole scene and everybody's reactions - that scene alone could be analysed quite a bit! It's extremely well-done, in my top-5 favourites from the show definitely.
Logan hit Kendall’s kid in Season 1
With a can of fucking cranberry sauce.
Logan bashed him in the head with a fucking tin can of Thanksgiving cranberry sauce.
But he’s half Rava, half some filing cabinet guy, so NRPI?
Exactly! I never forgave Logan for that.
I would have smacked that kid too. Man why are you guys so sensitive ? Parents hit their kids when they misbehave it’s normal here.
It’s just shock, he barely touched him!
@@mattdavid716defining a fiction character who abused all he’s kids to the point where they’re all adults and can’t function about hitting his grandchild is crazy when he literally had a history of physically abusing one of his kids
I think Logan’s use to being able to scare people into submission, and since he couldn’t do that with Nan, he’s revealed for what he would be if he didn’t have the kind of power he has. Just an angry shell of a person who lost themselves decades ago
And it just hit me that Nan is the only adversary who stood him down face to face. In two episodes straight. The Sandy menace is mostly off-camera.
I think the emotional abuse and distrust Logan has sewn between them makes it very believable that they would ruin each others talking points in the stage in front of everyone. They all want their dads attention and can never seem to do that right, on top of that they are all pretty narcissistic so it ruins them being able to see the bigger picture
When Logan hits Roman, and Kendall yells, “Don’t you f***ing touch him!” That was not scripted, Jeremy Strong (Kendall) is very method, and was so in involved in the scene, he lost it for a second.”
Aaaaand this is the episode that explains why Roman is so much more *physically* intimidated by Logan than anyone else.
You can tell by the way Roman and Kendall react and some lines that getting hit is nothing new to Roman. Especially when you look back at s1ep6 when hes about to vote against Logan but he raises his voice and the way Roman cowers, also explains maybe why Ken doesnt get upset at him for that cause he knows how Romans been treated
Stop and pause for a moment and admire the writing that makes you wanna root for the company against an actual sexual exploitation scandal. It’s just brilliant.
oh please.. the writing is exceptional no doubt but rooting for the company & characters is clearly your choice. you're not a robot 😂
@@htvtc21i don't think robots will route for Roys, they are against tech.
@@htvtc21 the writing has the power to govern your spontaneous instinctive emotion. Intellectually you’ll obviously know what’s wrong. But the characters are so well written that when they are on stage trying to give a statement you automatically end up hoping it works out.
@@Pratyushprusty1998 i kinda treat this show like always sunny where i enjoy seeing their downfall lmao
speak for yourself, i was on pierce side hahahaha seeing logan beg for that sale was satisfactory as fuck
Shiv didn't want to do it because there's going to be a ton of splash back. Shiv is all about a back up plan. She likes to have multiple things going for her at once in case she has to ditch.
"he probably wanted to hit Shiv" 🎯
Kendall's outburst on the employees was such a perfect acting he didn't wanted to shout on them or push them that hard but Logan suggested that he is literally shouting but is sad and you can see in his eyes he don't wanna shout on them when people shout there eyes go big Kendall looks like a person shouting from the outside not feeling anything inside..... no wonder Jeremy won an Emmy for this season 🔥
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I love this episode. I love Kendall defending Roman from Logan. Shiv proved in this episode that she's not really fit to lead. I really enjoyed y'alls reactions and commentary as always.
How did Shiv prove that she's not fit to lead?
Since u asked y shiv doesnt want to do the press conference
1. She doesn't want to tarnish her name by getting into this stuff
2. Also as a fellow women she doesn't feel ok with doing it
3. She wants logan to genuinely ask her not just please but to genuinely ask her
4. She wants everyone to beg for her
5. She’s scared
This!
Was just thinking it’s been a while since your last succession reaction and then saw you uploaded. 🤯
His tantrum at the beginning was only because Logan told him to yell at them
Low-key roman was looking too good in this ep
Y’all should include the “Inside the Episode” that plays after in your reactions! Thanks for continuing with this show, it’s the best
First L for Logan! 🎉🎉🎉
Shiv isn't a girlboss that most Hollywood projects write strong female characters as. I think that's why it is going over your head how inept Shiv can come across as in business stuff. She's well written, but so not in the way you want it to be.
LOI stands for A letter of intent, In a simple way is a document declaring the preliminary commitment of one party to do business with another.
Since the show is written around not having a lot of direct exposition, and zero flashbacks, we have to learn about their entire lives in this dysfunctional family by reading into what we see in the present, which is easier because they're all emotionally stunted and prone to falling into the same patterns of behavior. As spoiled children, all the kids are more or less just as immature as they were when they were little. In some ways they're adults and have adult problems, but in lots of ways, they're reflections of themselves as kids, being stupid and petty and constantly stuck in this servile relationship with their father. This is yet another microcosm of how they're still the same children at heart, going through the same motions. Dad gets angry at Shiv who is the most spoiled and treated like a princess as Logan's precious only daughter, who we've constantly been told is daddy's favorite, so Shiv pisses Logan off the most because she's such a brat and so spoiled and so much more likely to defy him or act out. Logan is angry at Shiv, but he won't hit his little girl, so he takes out his aggression on the weak and scared Roman that is easily trained by violence, and big brother Kendall has to defend his siblings.
I will say, you claim that it would be unrealistic for a real company to deliver such a bad and messy statement with tons of petty ego incompetent ego clashing, but just think about every insanely out of touch thing you've ever seen a business or a single rich guy like a Musk or a Donald Trump Jr do to embarrass them/himself. This wasn't a press release either, this was a very sudden event during a rich-people-only gathering. If the company was going to make a real press comment to the general public, they'd definitely have put more time and HR people on to work out the right media angle to push. I do think that the show, as a mixture between absurdist comedy and drama, and as a heightened reality Shakespearian tall tale, that the show isn't trying to be ultra realistic most of the time, because it's presenting such an ironic depiction of these grand narrative archetypes, and it has a million thematic Shakespeare connections and Great King Leary connections, and the whole thing is a very thorough metaphor for medieval serfdom autocracy. The show has so much metaphorical symbolism, it's impossible to also make it completely realistic with that much absurdist comedy and heightened metaphor in it. Give and take, the show has extreme representations of ideas that are unbelievable but also sometimes do reflect real life's level of absurdity, but in exchange it has so much more depth than it would've had otherwise.
Well “LOI” stands for Letter of Intent.
GOAT show.
Shiv likes power. Just like the men in her family. Calling her a "control freak" is bullshit and such a reductive way of understanding her character.
Right. The misogyny is so deeply ingrained. Its the reason why everyone hates Shiv more than her brothers even though they all equally do bad things.
Logan is rushing because his company is publicly traded. So someone is attempting to buy it at a significant premium. The board of directors have a fiduciary responsibility to accept that deal or they can be sued by shareholders. Logan wants to make his company bigger so it can’t be bought before the board acts. That’s why the desperation. It’s warranted. I think the show runners could’ve put a couple lines of dialogue to explain this and you wouldn’t have those questions
Pretty sure there was a line about Shareholder meeting happening in this episode too.
@@kvm6haven’t rewatched the series yet so going off what they showed here. But you could be right
Logan was mad at Shiv but he couldn't anything her so he took his anger on Roman who did not deserve it
Thank you for the uploaded been waiting for this!
Idk, to me them sabotaging each other on stage seems like one of the most believable parts of this episode, given the context of this show as a whole.
Their dad has fked their brains up since childhood, always pitting them against each other. Yes they come together sometimes, but they'd stab each other in the back the first chance they get as well because they can't help themselves.
Also, I'm not sure how you thought Shiv did a good job on stage, she was actually letting her ego be on full display, hence the dinosaur comment. She repeatedly keeps proving to logan why she's such a bad choice, and he keeps trying to get her to realize it as well.
Not just Logan. Caroline was also a part of it.
I don't think the dinosaur comment was as much her ego as it was to signal that there is at least one person around that company that thinks this whole thing is archaic and that could bring about change (or is at the very least *for* change). Same way Kendall misunderstood her "it's everywhere" comment to mean there are even more cases or wtvr when what she meant was that this is an issue that's bigger than just their company (not untrue, but another way to de-center them, which isn't a bad approach)
I love this show. I’m so happy that You gave it a chance, there aren’t many reactions to it. Jaby as usual, with his analytical thinking, which makes me wonder, why haven’t you guys reacted to Severance? I believe it is the PERFECT show for you.
This episode is a direct sequel to the previous ep.
In the previous eep, Logan convinces himself that with selfishness and believing in yourself, self reliance in a way is enough and to some extent it is. This episode takes it further and asks what happens if you're forced to consider the needs of those with an equal amount of power... It can lessen your resolve and make you do things you dont want to do, be unsure of yourself, compromise in dumb. ways (we hear for you) and yes desperate if you dont trust others.
more successionnnn
I love the scene where Kendal jumps in for defending Roman . That shows how they grew up , Kendal always was their for their siblings during growing up . Tom is traumatised by seeing all these and he knows he is in a messed up family.
5:25 that's not what she's been wanting this whole time though, she knows she'd basically get thrown under the bus if they center this around her - wanting to be part of the solution or to advise on it doesn't mean she wants to be *the face of the scandal* lmao. The main reason she wasn't involved in any of this is that she's a woman and *now* the sole reason they want her on the team is bc they can hide behind her being a woman for malpractices that have nothing to do with her.. i can see why she wasn't trying to throw herself into it. She tends to say things that amount to "i'm not the right person for the job" a lot and here i think there was also a hint of "well since y'all don't really tell me shit i'm not helping" (w her asking why their dad keeps hoarding crucial information), mixed with other things.
Idk what's causing the confusion - maybe it's bc a lot of good faith is still attributed to Logan for some reason? like he's actually trying to help his kids' growth w his games? who knows.
As for the "relationship rules" i don't really get the confusion either ngl lmao maybe it's just me. The idea is that they can indeed fuck anyone as long as the other can't put a name to their face and whatnot, that does not sound crazy to me and so far there hasn't been any abuse of that rule that i can think of. And her getting jealous isn't hypocritical either given that rule, if you'd prefer your partner fuck someone you don't know i'd assume you wouldn't like seeing them slowly trying to get there either - Tom was (rightfully) jealous too when Nate was being disrespectful in front of him while she kept swatting him away. Like everyone's entitled to still be annoyed by all of this but it literally makes sense 😭 Mind you she apologized, for those who needed her to ig (i know it doesn't make a difference either way when it comes to her but still).
The physical violence was obviously hinted at in terms of reactions but it was actually mentioned before, one instance was during the meeting early S02 where Logan wanted everyone around the table to give their thoughts about whether he should sell the company or not. When he realized that Kendall was basically getting a promotion after betraying their dad while he's gotten violence for much less you can tell his reaction echoes all of that.
LOI is Letter of Intent. Basically a letter saying there is an intent to buy the company
I know it SEEMED Shiv did a good job on the panel. She totally didn't (well, NEITHER of them did). Yes, she was more eloquent, but she started making statements she wasn't qualified or cleared to do, improvising, and while Kendall was being an a-hole, they needed to show a united front. What Kendall said later was sort of heading in the right direction and then she blocked him with "I'd be more aggressive" killing any chance of a united front, then threw her dad under the bus and had to redirect, but it was too late.
Shiv was awful. She just sounded more fluent WHILE being awful.
Yeah she just proved one more time to Logan that she is not a good lead to become CEO. As she is let her ego take over.
"while Kendall was being an a-hole, they needed to show a united front" and it *had* to be his version of the front they had to show, right (even though he completely misunderstood her "it's everywhere" comment for instance, making a fool of all of them even more)
@@soniaiboyako4023 I never said that, but given that she was the least briefed and had the least knowledge she should've found a way to fall back and let him say what he was already prepared to say. She improvised and only made things worse by being a peacock about it.
@@carlosriveraauthor What she was saying made sense though so i guess that's why i'm perplexed as to why letting Kendall and Roman take the wheel would've inherently been better. She was the least briefed but they were gonna go with her pitch to begin with.. it got weird on stage bc of all the cutting off and dismissing - which she didn't start mind you but given how they all tend to be around each other obviously she was gonna throw digs as well
@@soniaiboyako4023 well, you have your take, the show clearly shows the aftermath of it, which mostly left it clear that she messed up, but if that's your take, I'm not gonna argue it.
Big brother Kendall is awesome
I don't think Shiv did a good job on the panel. She basically said her dad was an outta touch dinosaur. You see Kendall stood right up for his little brother when Logan back hand pimp slapped him. Poor Roman.
Just say you hate Shiv without saying you hate shiv
@@chiomawoherem4625 it's a fictional character, bro. She's not gonna see this.
That panel question was about them handling it - how is signalling that you think the beliefs that enabled these crimes (or created a culture where they happened on that scale) are archaic somehow a bad thing to do? How is trying to signal that there's at least one person around the company that isn't against change and seems to think it's an issue that's even bigger than the company somehow a bad thing? This is without getting into why y'all think the random ass daughter saying she doesn't see eye to eye w her dad on *everything* is somehow the worst thing in this context like god forbid one of them isn't his parrot day in and day out lmao
@@chiomawoherem4625 every single time 😭 it's kinda crazy
I’ve been waiting for the CinePals to watch this one, one of my favorites! As usual, it always seems like they’ve previously watched the entire episode 😂
I get the same feeling too 😂
Well, I have good news for you if you think Roman deserved a smacking a long time ago... Although I wouldnt really agree with that statement.
A recurring theme in this show that's REALLY important right up to (and especially in) the finale is "no real people." It first came up in the episode where we found out about the sexual assault cover-ups on the cruise lines. They didn't involve "real people" according to the Logan, the family, and the company. The waiter Ken got killed was not a "real person." Shiv says it again here: The woman Tom was flirting with was a "real person" because she is at Argestes and in their circle. The random downtown actor she hooked up with was not a "real person," so he doesn't matter. Shiv and Roman are probably the worst about this. Shiv hides it better than him, but if you look closely ALL her actions are dictated by who she considers real and who she doesn't. She's pretty awful.
Also... for a while there you two really seemed like you were rooting for them come together and successfully cover up the numerous and abominable assaults of numerous people on the cruise lines!
Why point this out now and not later on in s2e9?
Idk, I kinda understand Shiv co**blocking Tom there. If you're to 'cheat' your partner, one night only thing, it should be with a nobody, someone you're never going to see again. That woman seems to be important, and Shiv said she KNOWS her. It would be awkward for Shiv.
Shiv slept with the dude that she was working with on the campaign trail and Tom definitely knew him. Hell, he showed up at their wedding.
@@kellifranklin9872 that's different, they had a relationship. Wasn't an one time thing. I think it happened even before Tom, I'm not sure.
@@lanisnts I’d completely forgotten about that point. You’re right. Still, I think in Shiv’s mind it’s okay if she does it but not if Tom does. But I do agree with you about her being with the other guy (I’m absolutely drawing a blank on his name). I think they had been together before Tom.
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Shiv can NEVER be vunerable so she never fully commits. She's sabatoging her chance to run the company right from the getgo
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Exactly.
The siblings don’t come together because they have their careers and billions of dollars at stake at any given point in their lives. They can't trust each other because all their life they have been pitted against one another. When your house is a workplace, your siblings are like your co-workers and there is only one seat, so it's a tooth-and-nail fight.
They are incapable of coming together now and then and looking at the big picture.
Love your reactions! Keep em coming.
when logan slapped romulus i SCREAMED that this guy deserved it big time
Roman is lucky he didn't eat him. Because he's Hannibal. You know. Brian Cox Hannibal. Manhunter.
Already waiting for the reaction to the next episode, addicted to these 😩
Great episode
please upload twice a week 😭
they just did
This was the second upload of the week for Succession.
DO NOT STOP
Hey guys, luv ur channel and the show is incredible. didnt Logan smack his grandson..Kendalls son in the first Season or something..
you thought this was uncomfortable wait for episode 9
23:33 Yeah just his grandchild.
LOI - letter of intent.
LOI = Letter of intent
Dude needs to relax in the recap stop getting so defensive during the discussion 😂
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LoI : Letter of Intent
Shiv was doing well up until she went after Logan.
Take a look on the series "from" season 1 and 2
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Letter of intent LOI
Do Secret Invasion pitch meeting
Guys Shiv did not do a good job at all on the stage, also neither did Ken and Roman but when Ken was trying to take the conversation on much safer path, Shiv told that she is more aggressive and then also that dinosaur comment to her dad showed she is not ready to take the CEO seat once again(she let a her ego take over).
Shiv didn't do a good job in the panel...
Don't just react the show being a toxic shiv fan
And of course no talk about Kendal'd defensive nature when roman got hit
Misogyny at its finest. They literally talk bad on Shiv every single reaction. But 1 kind of positive comment and suddenly they're "toxic Shv fans" lolll. All of them are bad people who do bad things, but everyone justifies Roman and Ken's actions bc they're men.
@@narru9603i think you need to rewatch their reaction. They think she is being underestimated by everyone (exact words used by them in previous discussion)
@@narru9603 don't bring any gender stuff ... Everyone from Kendal to Greg ,Roman tom ,Logan everyone toxic in their own term ....
They kept on supporting shiv where it's not her credit that's why I said ....
If it'll happen with Kendal or Roman I'll feel it same where
Here it's pure bias for shiv.. but that's not the matter to me ; for this blind support, they're not reacting other people scenes properly..like in this "cut-out" version you can't see Kendal's talk in the show and zero reaction when he defend his brother..
@@narru9603 same way "Misogyny at it's finest" as you're also bashing one gender in support of your logic ..
Above line isn't correct..right?
Then read the comment by having those people "as Character" in mind not as a gender specific objects
Roman deserves every slap possible. Probably really deserved it as a boy and clearly still does. Poor Logan had his hands full with this bunch.
You sound like a really healthy, happy, understanding, mature... abusive and deeply angry person.
That sounds well rounded enough for me. Everything needs balance
Clearly controlling impulses about hitting kids, locking them up in cages to dehumanize them and then making acerbic remarks on their actions is a way to raise kids.
It is the kids fault for being born, Obviously.
These people are getting wrong thing form show
no
I kind of expected you guys to be smarter with this show. But the writing escapes you. If you can’t see by now that Shiv is a hack then I don’t know. Kendall is perfect to run things but Logan is the issue standing in his way. And this always results in him giving in to his habits. As always. Shiv did horrendously on that panel and she showed the entire world why she’s not suited to be CEO and why she first needs to do training around the world for the duration Logan said. I know your watching this show with a modern eye where women can do no wrong but please try to pay attention.
Respectfully, if you think Kendall is competent enough to be CEO, I do not think you should be lecturing anyone's inability to follow the show. All the children are incompetent. Including Kendall. The biggest example is how Kendall screwed up the board vote against his father. Despite Frank's advice he calls to check in on one of the investors the evening before the vote and does such a poor job handling the call that he spooks her, which leads to Kendall going all the way to Long Island (again ignoring Frank's advice), which leaves him extremely vulnerable to events such as grounded helicopters, traffic jams, accidents, what have you. The show consistently shows him completely incapable of absorbing the advice and feedback of others. He is caught in his own bubble and it is prone to bursting.
Your misogyny is showing big time. In literally every single episode they react to they're shitting on Shiv, but the one semi-positive thing they say about her in one episode makes u think its bc they think "woman can do no wrong" lmaoo. And FYI, the whole point of the show is showing how the 3 kids are ALL incapable to run it for different reasons. Everyone just hates Shiv more than the other 2 bc they don't like when women do 'bad' things.
@@JohnSilverHawkinsIlona was a back up vote because Ken literally heard from Stewie that he'd follow the money. Ilona was gonna abstain.
@@kvm6 Yes. I am aware of what she was. That does not change any of what happened. Frank questioned whether he should even make the call. He did it anyway, and screwed it up to the point where he felt he had to go fix it the following morning. Even though it risked everything by narrowing his margin for error and random chance--and Frank AGAIN told him not to do it.
It is not the only time in the series where he makes an awful decision in spite of advice he gets from actually competent people around him. Because he is delusional enough to believe he is a master negotiatior and an expert who can do everything. You could also look at how he handled the call with the bank.
@@JohnSilverHawkins the call with the bank wouldn't have gone in Logan's favor, because uses "Fuck Off" more often than Ken does.
Screwed it up? If he screwed it up and then fixed it by going then how is it a screw up?
Why is it on Ken, when Logan isn't even stepping out of the room, when that is a requirement?
Why not on Roman who got Lee's support who abstained because of Logan being in the room?
And what is Logan going for in this episode? Turning the business Private by getting funding from Turkey? When Ken got private funding, he was fucking up, but Logan doing it is okay.
Yes, we want three or atleast two episodes in a week. Please continue in this pace
im so glad you guys are enjoying this show !!! its soo anxiety-inducing LMAOO
Where are you? It’s been a week since this episode. Do at least 3 in a week
@@clash5j i don't think so. I think they have a lot on their plate. So it’s getting delayed.