What a Top Roman General Really Thought About Ireland…
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What a Top Roman General Really Thought About Ireland…
Ireland, or Hibernia to the Romans, was never conquered by Rome and was never annexed into the Roman Empire. So what was the Roman view of Ireland then?
One insight can be found in a book by the Roman historian Tacitus published in the 1st century AD. In the book, Tacitus notes the views of the Roman General Gnaeus Julius Agricola, his father-in-law, who served as the Governor of Britannia from 77 AD to around 85 AD.
Tacitus notes that the routes of approach and the harbours of Hibernia are known through trade and merchants. Roman coins have been found in Ireland, probably from traders and raiders over the centuries.
Tacitus goes on to write that Agricola had given refuge to one of the minor kings of Hibernia, who had apparently been expelled due to a family quarrel. Agricola treated him as a friend, keeping him in case an opportunity arose. By the way Tacitus wrote this last section, Agricola seemed to be keeping him warm in case Rome conquered Ireland could then install him as a puppet king for Rome.
According to Tacitus, Agricola believed that Ireland could be...
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Tacitus - Agricola and Germany (Oxford University Press)
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Why do you think Rome never conquered Ireland (Hibernia)? Or did they try and not tell us? 😀 Please let me know your thoughts below...
cop on ... the harp of david of the bible is the harp of scotalnd and ireland .. the scottish flag is the flag of the gaelic christian church .. the founding church of all common law ... the "x" is a hex on the harp . and no the romans wont admit that colmcille killed nezzie . ethnic cleansing of the irish nation began in 1800 .. sorry if the cop on is aggressive but if youre putting yourself forward as a historian then start at the parliament debates in 1800 regarding the creation of the Union Jack ... proof the 12 apostles are from ireland and werent 12 men walking around a desert .. tuam roman mother and ababy homes were a adrenachrome chemical test site .. they will never conqiuer the irish but they love trying .. clonmacnoise in ireland lierally means the clann of the sons of jesus and the pope went there in 1979 ... the irish are sick to their teeth of the modern world pretending trot ws invented in 1932 with donoghue versus stephenson when in fact brehon law has been holding cattle as a curency for compensation for centuries .. watch balck 47 and this si from amamn who knows for a fact that balck and atn lorries the churchil army post the asssianation of michael collins had the swatzika on them .. liber is from leabhair and labhair .. leabhair the written word and labhair the spoken worrd .. ty is ti .. liber ti means the book of the house .. it is the meaning of free speech .. basically you can say anyhting you like but if you wriet it down will it pass the laws of sanity or defamation .. the reasn i say cop on is because the scottish were down worse than ireland .. 94 per cent of your country was ethnically cleansed .. deal with rangers football club being seeded by ukrainian ss persons saved by the british and american army .. now the "romans " - hitler was a roman catholic , are the scottish freemasons .. the altern council is worth inspecting .. by the way the navajo and the native irish ahve the same owrd for the devil .. so explain that and the irish have known for centuries that the yew tree is one of the cures ffor cancer .. thanks for putting this up .. i absoluteely love your accent .. also the word agol is the victorian irish namew for "love" so when wilde wrote the bal lad of readin gaol he was suing a labguage that was officailly dead in rieland and when the brits deciphered ot tey went ballstic ..note wilde was jailed forsodomy but his noble lover was not ..
Hibernia was no threat and hold no resources. It was not worth the effort.
whats the music you use in the middlke of the video?
My very old grandfather told me a long time ago. The romans came here, and saw the unyielding rain, felt the bitter cold and the damp went into their bones, and they said "fuch that" and went and fucked off.
Scotland is equally as cold
The Romans called it Hibernia-The Winterland.
It's a pity a lot of our so called refugees and asylum seekers don't feel the same way
@johnhiggins4393 if it wasn't for Central heating huh? 😂
@@janice506 yes but they don't understand a word you say even if they wanted to count yourselves lucky 😏🤣🤣🤣
Maybe when the Romans met the Gaels from Argyll, the ancestors of the gallowglass, they decided they'd rather keep their troops busy building walls across Britain instead of trying their luck against a larger contingent of Gaels in Ireland.
This is my theory also. The romans didnt want that irish smoke, to disturb the gael would have been a mistake
Very well explained and researched article on Ireland. Thank you.
Thanks
I think they'd simply leaned a stiff lesson in Caledonia. If it ain't got towns it ain't going to pay taxes. Britannia was already holding down more Roman military manpower than any other province. The Empire, being generally pragmatic, simply decided invading Hibernia would have required more effort than it was worth ... there's advantages to being the last landmass before you disappear off the edge of the world.
That makes sense. Maybe if they would've conquered Britain faster/fuller they would've looked into Ireland more.
The Romans were in Manchester for three hundred years ... that's a long, long time.
Caledonia and Ireland were like the Afghanistan of the Occident: can't conquer it, at least militarily speaking.
@@LibertysetsquareJack There was nothing in Ireland worth invading for.
@@whitemountainapache3297 Go back and tell that to the Normans, or the Vikings lol.
PS: And don't forget that the Roman economy had slavery and land as a fundamental factor: there was plenty of potential slaves, not to mention arable land and pasturage, to be had in Ireland. Just as much reason for Rome to have invaded and subjugated Ireland as pretty much anywhere else Rome subjugated.
Conquered and held by the same single legion that was wiped out in Scotland? Those Italians wouldn't have lasted in Ireland, it'd be too damp and cold for them even in the summer.
Not just there, but the whole UK/Ireland area is cold and damp 🙂 I'd say they hate every minute of it there...
@@fabianpatrizio2865 some areas more so than others. Scotland gets a lot of rain and the west of Ireland gets at least double the amount of rain than the east of the country.
Yes, the cold rain and damp undergrowth. Not atall like a welcome Mediterranean occasional brief shower. Plus all the midges and mites, and the leeches and ticks and angry wasps.
And that's just in Summer. In Winter they would have had to wear socks with their sandals! Not a very Italian style.
And if you know your Asterix and Obelix comics, the locals drank warm ale and not chilled wines! Ha ha!
But in all seriousness, I actually wish I did have a magic potion that their Druid brewed for them, and gave great strength to fight the Invaders with. And a Cauldron of Plenty!
Non sei mai stato in Nord Italia sulle Alpi LOL
They'd have been split down the middle or become one with the bog
Tacitus was probably talking about Tuathal Teachtmar, who is mentioned in the Irish Medieval annals as having been dethroned in the 1st century but then coming back with an army and retaking his throne.
There may have been a Roman port at Cairnryan as it now appears that Galloway was conquered.However a huge port was quickly constructed during the 2nd ww which would have destroyed any trace .The roman roads appear to be pointing in this direction
The remains of a roman villa have been found in Wexford I think. So they were there in some capacity.
Where abouts?
The Roman grasp on British Isles geography was very rough to say the least. Until that Roman fleet sailed around Scotland, they did no even know if Britain was a peninsular or not. IMHO, any Roman force in Ireland would be withdrawn just as the Romans withdrew for Caledonia after Tacitus was recalled back to Rome
As to restoring minor kings. Witness how the Claudius used the excuse of restoring King Verica of Atrebates to his throne as the excuse for invading Britain in AD 43.
Excellent points, thank you
Thanks, Keep up the good work..@@celtichistorydecoded
Thank you@@John_Pace
Ireland isn't a "British Isle ".
If Tacitus had the wit to distinguish it from Britain in antiquity, and an independent sovereign state covers five sixths of it now, please don't use a term offensive in Ireland, to Irish people.
I like to think the Irish could have defeated at least 1 legion, like come on man, it's not THAT small and it's not like there wasn't fighters there already
I reckon its because the Romans didnt fully conquer Caledonia.
The Roman thoughts of invading Ireland came from when they stood in South Western Caledonia, looking west across the narrowest point in the sea towards Ireland.
Furthermore however, the Roman Empire wasnt necessarily a European one. It was an Empire based on both sides of the Mediterranean, with the Italian Peninsula in the centre.
Just look at a map of the Roman Empire at its largest extent. Venturing into the Island of Britain was actually an anomaly for the Romans. Venturing further west to Ireland wouldve been even more of an anomaly, from their Mediterranean heartland.
The Tain Bo Cullaine describes a unit is Maive's army that is pretty obviously a Roman (probably auxiliary) Century, exagerating it's numbers.
It sounds like Hibernia would be a pushover.
Maybe the Romans thought it wasn't enough of a challenge! Maybe they were busy elsewhere.
The Romans didn't think anyone could overthrow them & Hibernia could wait till later when everything was securely theirs in Britainia & time was on their side. In my opinion judging by the speed at which they left britain it wasn't planned & by then hibernia was the 1 job left undone.
Its hard for us to say at our distance. Most of what we know is what the romans did & where it was done. They believed in keeping roman cards close to Rome's chests. We dont know what they thought at the time.
The stormy Atlantic frightened the Romans. Mostly a land empire. Crossing first the English channel, and then the irish sea was all too much. Sail from Brittanny to Cork ? TOO SCARY.
I wonder if Ireland is where the Lost Legion was eradicated in an utterly failed campaign? Wasn't it better for Rome if its disappearance remained a mystery?
Interesting thought, Agricola seemed keen to invade anyway
More than likely the terrain was too difficult for legions to have pitch battles. Mountains, forests, wolves , minior kings plus brutal weather . They would known about raw materials in Ireland from jewelry and weapons but at the end of the day Ireland had clans at war constantly so they were seasoned fighters, maybe it was a bridge to far, the Romans were not stupid, the risk was not worth the reward.
The Gallic Sea. 🌌
The Romans had bases in Ireland.. one just north of Dublin..
I mean I feel there was certainly a reason why they built a wall for your lot and never really bothered mine. If i had to guess we were just too mental to deal with 🤣
As is well known the Romans would hardly conqueror a country if there was no monetary value to do so.
Yes they could have used the Irish as fighters but the Romans had enough fighters in Britain so it never really come about, remember the Romans were called back from Britain to protect Rome, they were not defeated in Brittan or Scotland, they left.
Irish folklore the Formians
Formians arrived every year along the east coast of Ireland to collect tribute.
It is widely believed the Formians were the Romans from Britain arriving to collect tribute from the host Irish population.
The Roman military presence in Ireland never really traveled more than 70 miles from the east coat of Ireland due to a combination of military overreach and the cost of maintaining a military presence in Ireland.
Without silver mines Ireland had not been worth the expense of military conquest for the Roman Empire.
Merchants trading between Ireland and Britain had been going on for thousands of years before the Romans arrived in Britain.
Pirate attacks in the Irish Sea and raids on the west coast of Britain were taking place long before the Romans arrived.
The Roman occupation of Britain stopped the pirate attacks on ships in the Irish Sea and the raids on the West coast of Britain for a long time.
As the Roman presence in Britain became weak raiding along the West coast of Britain resumed and so did Pirate attacks in the Irish Sea.
Interesting. Do you have a reference for your statement ("It is widely believed the Formorians were the Romans")? I'd love to read more about this. Thanks.
@@user-wr4uz8pg7mLol they weren't the Romans.
One thing that defended ireland ? Its name....Hibernia....land of winter. Who wants to invade that ? Like Scotland, our poxy, weather can sometimes be advantageous
Most immigrants at that time including the oppressor the Romans probably had there sight's set on the Thames..a big River with no central European Tribes fighting... pretty much the same today.humans haven't changed that much
My thoughts? It’s twice as simple. The Romans didn’t conquer Ireland because they didn’t like it. “What is there to like?”, they reasoned, “of this hostile land”. Heck, they barely held on to Britain for amazingly too long, before they abandoned it altogether. How would Hibernian have fared any better?
The consensus view the Romans had of Ireland was the tribes there were Savages.It was too cold.
A Roman legion was 5000 men.There were many tribes in Ireland that would have United.
The Irish numbers would have been too great for one Roman legion.As for Roman artifacts found in Ireland would be more likely just from raids by Irish tribes on Britain's coastline.
Neither Scotland or Ireland were worth Rome's time or money. They had Britain south of Scotland...it was developed, had great agriculture, tin, copper, gold and a better climate.
Thr cost/benefit calculation didnt work for Scotland snd Ireland.
Ever wondered about Roman Catholicism ? It is in the name!!
Ever heard of the Irish christian church?
Money. Ireland was not a threat, and it had no great economic benefit, so they ignored it.
Saint Patrick was a Roman British slave. If the Irish were raiding Britain and capturing slaves. 1 legion. Yeah Right.
And then there were the Druids to contend with.
The Scotland is colder than Ireland so that not the reason Ireland was very decent covered in forest very hard to conker the Irish where more civilised and good traders no need to conker
hibernia
Glad they didn`t invade
The Roman Catholic Church conquered Ireland.
"What are all these Africans doing here?"
Black Irish here from way back..