Had the same 3 Versatile tractors for decades. D145, 850, and 875. Neighbor had some Case 4wds. Power shifts and steering components have cost him $$$$$. Now junked. Had FAR less hours than our Versies. Ours are much easier to work on. Wouldn’t trade them for any other make. We’ll stick with what we have. A couple of things: we don’t have implements being dragged side to side, because we allow the swinging drawbar to move like it should with trailing tools. We’ve NEVER noticed loss of pull when going into a curve.
Back in the seventies, my dad had both a 2470 and a 2870 CASE. He always talks about steering issues, hydraulic fluid leaks, and having to replace transmissions every two seasons. One time in 1979, they wound up planting around the 2870 after it dropped the transmission while fitting ground.
from the 1200 - 1470 TK - 70 -90 & 94 series tractors, case has always had rigid frame with it's unique steering which is why it is a better design than articulating tractors. Great video showing various situations where Case was superior.
Well if Steiger had problems why did case buy em in 1986 and keep making them and prazing them throughout the 80s 90s and 2000s (just wondering someone tell me why)
The idea of high horsepower fixed frame tractors wasn't a bad idea really. Modern fwa tractors over 400 hp are basically the same thing without the rear steering. Rear steering is only advantageous for really sharp turns. Fixed frame does favor accuracy for things like row crop. Steiger tractors with cummins N14 and twin disc transmissions were more durable and better reputation than Case's scania motor and case partial powershift transmission.
Tenneco, the owner of the new Case-IH had some shares of Steiger Tractor Inc. and IHC had some, Steiger was having money issues as it was the 1980s, and IHC and Steiger had a contract. Long story short Tenneco wanted Case/CIH to stand on its own and had money. They even bought them Viscosity oil co later, but Case management can't manage and sold Viscosity and a few other poor decisions later, Merged with Ford's New Holland.
Obviously The powers that control didn't have the same view..... because after the buyout dust settled and the colors were changed the 4 way steering disappeared...
To some degree you may be wrong. 4 way steering disappeared but the idea of high hp fixed frame tractors has made a huge comeback with fwa tractors now over 500 hp. I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually see some with rear steering in the future to aid sharper turns. If the rear wheels turn even a slight angle it makes a huge difference how sharp you can turn.
We farmed 3500+ acres in the 70's and 80's, had two 2670's and a 2870. Had transmission trouble with one 26, but the other two served us well. Run them all day pulling a 28' disc and burn 80 gal. of fuel, not too bad at all covering the ground they did. Good machines for us.
I remember doing a school project on these crab steer Cases, 1981 or so, interesting concept though. The were high tech compared with the 830’s Dual Range and Caseomatics we had. But the 830’s are probably still going.
It has aged like fine wine. Fixed frame tractors over 500 hp are now preferred by many farmers over articulating. In my area articulating is getting more rare all the time.
I have a 4890 a 4690 two 2870s and two 2670s plus a 1370 you match them up with proper implement and they roll fine. Some say they aren't 'pretty. I want them to work about 3 to 4 weeks a year. The rest of the time like most 4wd machines they are bird rests.
i figured i would have seen the case tractors on shit pumps running them seeing how that's all they are used for around us for the ones that are still running
It's because you can't show the dark side beating you at your own game. Because everyone has to compare to Deere because everyone has been chasing them so long.
Nah it’s because they are good at some things but there heads are so far up their own rear ends that they can’t change anything. They might be great in one thing but if they cant improve on what’s bad then they are easy to pick on for those things.
They're fun to drive...ok on a cart(with the crab steer)...that about it. They work for PTO work too. Other than that I don't know. You get a laugh when you're going down the road and meet someone and move sideways and they look at you with a 'wtf' expression.
@@Doge5600 technically yes. But the articulated ones are what have come to be known as 4wds by today's standards, not everyone is an old fart like you who was around when ji case was its own company
@@CheeseMiser I'm not that old I want even born in the 20th century. My dad was though and he knows a lot about farming. Only 4wd we've ever had was a 2470 so that why I see it as odd.
We used to have a 4890 and before that a 2870 and they were both good tractors and I wouldn’t hesitate to take that 4890 anywhere work needed done. It was solid and had lots of power, but given the choice I would still take a Deere over it.
@@PiperOne unfortunately I agree with Michael, cases are hard to work and were poorly built. It’s a wonder how cih even carried the fixed frame 4wd over to case ih at all. My great uncle hated his 4994 before he bought his 8760
Had the same 3 Versatile tractors for decades. D145, 850, and 875. Neighbor had some Case 4wds. Power shifts and steering components have cost him $$$$$. Now junked. Had FAR less hours than our Versies. Ours are much easier to work on. Wouldn’t trade them for any other make. We’ll stick with what we have. A couple of things: we don’t have implements being dragged side to side, because we allow the swinging drawbar to move like it should with trailing tools. We’ve NEVER noticed loss of pull when going into a curve.
We have versies, steigers, and cases....
Thanks for putting these videos up!!
Ha the Versy, Steiger and Deere of that era are still in the field. Case are in tree row or wrecker.
Sure.
We still use the 4890
Amazing tractors, those Traction Kings.
Gotta love these old machines
Back in the seventies, my dad had both a 2470 and a 2870 CASE. He always talks about steering issues, hydraulic fluid leaks, and having to replace transmissions every two seasons. One time in 1979, they wound up planting around the 2870 after it dropped the transmission while fitting ground.
Lots of ppl did stupid things with TAs and PS transmissions to shorten their life.
@@Hellosecsi overloading and using the incorrect gear/speed for the job I would say would be the biggest problem
from the 1200 - 1470 TK - 70 -90 & 94 series tractors, case has always had rigid frame with it's unique steering which is why it is a better design than articulating tractors. Great video showing various situations where Case was superior.
Yes thank you
Articulated tractor isn't a row crop tractor. It's a heavy tillage tractor. The case was actually the less durable of the 4 tractors in the video.
Look at 7:24 the guy in the case is using all his strength to turn the wheel and the guy in the john Deere is using one hand!
yes hahah
I noticed that also 🤣
Probably didnt even have power steering. Thats only on the premium models
Well if Steiger had problems why did case buy em in 1986 and keep making them and prazing them throughout the 80s 90s and 2000s (just wondering someone tell me why)
The idea of high horsepower fixed frame tractors wasn't a bad idea really. Modern fwa tractors over 400 hp are basically the same thing without the rear steering. Rear steering is only advantageous for really sharp turns. Fixed frame does favor accuracy for things like row crop. Steiger tractors with cummins N14 and twin disc transmissions were more durable and better reputation than Case's scania motor and case partial powershift transmission.
Tenneco, the owner of the new Case-IH had some shares of Steiger Tractor Inc. and IHC had some, Steiger was having money issues as it was the 1980s, and IHC and Steiger had a contract.
Long story short Tenneco wanted Case/CIH to stand on its own and had money. They even bought them Viscosity oil co later, but Case management can't manage and sold Viscosity and a few other poor decisions later, Merged with Ford's New Holland.
They also kept building the Crab steers too.
@@glenirwin1110 they also made articulated crab steers too
@@J-1410 Really? I thought the frames were fixed on the 9100-9200 series for the crabs.
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Obviously The powers that control didn't have the same view..... because after the buyout dust settled and the colors were changed the 4 way steering disappeared...
To some degree you may be wrong. 4 way steering disappeared but the idea of high hp fixed frame tractors has made a huge comeback with fwa tractors now over 500 hp. I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually see some with rear steering in the future to aid sharper turns. If the rear wheels turn even a slight angle it makes a huge difference how sharp you can turn.
@@mrbojangles9841 Today exist tractors with 4 wheel steering, like Claas Xerion (400-500 hp) and JCB Fastrac 4000 series
They made the crab steers on the Steiger frame for quite a while.
@@glenirwin1110 not a full crab
@@CheeseMiser 9240 and 9260 were ridgid frame crab steers made till 1995.
We farmed 3500+ acres in the 70's and 80's, had two 2670's and a 2870. Had transmission trouble with one 26, but the other two served us well. Run them all day pulling a 28' disc and burn 80 gal. of fuel, not too bad at all covering the ground they did. Good machines for us.
I remember doing a school project on these crab steer Cases, 1981 or so, interesting concept though. The were high tech compared with the 830’s Dual Range and Caseomatics we had. But the 830’s are probably still going.
Seeing a lot of CASE trash talk. Everyone's willing to trash em but Noone wants to fight em. CASE built em heavy.
Case . This hasn't aged well for you .😆
It has aged like fine wine. Fixed frame tractors over 500 hp are now preferred by many farmers over articulating. In my area articulating is getting more rare all the time.
@@mrbojangles9841 and I'm sure case is leading the way 😜🤣
@@mrbojangles9841 where is that?
I also would like to know why they are using large 4wd tractors for rowcrop purposes🧐
I guess this explains why steiger had the largest portion of the fwd market back then
2470 was in the previous generation
I have a 4890 a 4690 two 2870s and two 2670s plus a 1370 you match them up with proper implement and they roll fine. Some say they aren't 'pretty. I want them to work about 3 to 4 weeks a year. The rest of the time like most 4wd machines they are bird rests.
The funny part is case eventually bough stiger and just painted Stigers design red lol
Case IH bought Steiger.
CASE hasn't built anything decent since their last steam traction engine left the factory .
Thats a little of a bold take. The sc and dc werent bad. And the 2594 was pretty good for the time
94 series were pretty good and the most underrated transmissions were in the hydrashift David Brown built 1690 and 1594.
i would go for case
John deere is john deere
i figured i would have seen the case tractors on shit pumps running them seeing how that's all they are used for around us for the ones that are still running
You never coud see the draw bar on a case
Stieger best tractor ever made very simple to work on
And 40 years later? Nah..!!!
How come they didn't use the JD for the tests at the beginning?
The transmission failed
It's because you can't show the dark side beating you at your own game. Because everyone has to compare to Deere because everyone has been chasing them so long.
Nah it’s because they are good at some things but there heads are so far up their own rear ends that they can’t change anything. They might be great in one thing but if they cant improve on what’s bad then they are easy to pick on for those things.
Bumpy!
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It's so funny how they then went and bought steiger. It's a cool video though
Had to watch to see what would be good about these old Case 4x4's, still not convinced
They just as good as others if not better.....We have had them all...
Steering is junk
@@davehughesfarm7983 hard to make that argument. I've owned 3 Cases, and would never go back to non articulated design
They're fun to drive...ok on a cart(with the crab steer)...that about it. They work for PTO work too. Other than that I don't know.
You get a laugh when you're going down the road and meet someone and move sideways and they look at you with a 'wtf' expression.
They were cheap.
I have NEVER seen a 4wd do that to an implement where it throws it around during a turn
actually it's quite common when trying to get out on a tight road or corner.
they tend to do that. obviously exaturated but still they do
Then you haven’t been paying attention to them.
Today Deere dealership required to scan repair ecm modules computers...
Case IH and MF much better.
I cant believe they actually advocated the rigid as a reasonable competitor to a true 4wd.
How are the rigid frame 4wds not "true" 4wds? All four tires spin so its a 4wd.
@@Doge5600 technically yes. But the articulated ones are what have come to be known as 4wds by today's standards, not everyone is an old fart like you who was around when ji case was its own company
@@CheeseMiser I'm not that old I want even born in the 20th century. My dad was though and he knows a lot about farming. Only 4wd we've ever had was a 2470 so that why I see it as odd.
@@Doge5600 oh. Welp we had a 2670 when I was little and was traded for a Versatile 850
Nice tractors. But too expensive to repair. I'll repair the 70 series case tractors over that...
I have both articulated and 4 wheel steer and as much as i love the old 4494 the stx 450 is a much superior tractor being articulated
I'll tell you why rigid chassis is the future, 50-60km/h transmissions.
Can't do that with an articulated tractor
There is a reason case bought steiger.
Tenneco seen they were going bankrupt with the sale of IHC's ag division(end of the contract) and IHC owned around 1/3 of Steiger.
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Deere please
The case were a nice tractor. However. Not reliable, very costly on repairs and depreciation.
We used to have a 4890 and before that a 2870 and they were both good tractors and I wouldn’t hesitate to take that 4890 anywhere work needed done. It was solid and had lots of power, but given the choice I would still take a Deere over it.
So this is why deere stock is over 340.00... case was a poor man's tractor
I dont doubt that this video was what bankrupt them haha
Enron stock was worth a bunch once too. Ask a farmer, not Wall Street...ya know, the smart guys who gave us 2008.
@@PiperOne unfortunately I agree with Michael, cases are hard to work and were poorly built. It’s a wonder how cih even carried the fixed frame 4wd over to case ih at all. My great uncle hated his 4994 before he bought his 8760
@@VaporSlav Nobody went from a 4994 to an 8760 John Deere they're not in the same league
Wall Street loves John Deere because they can turn a high profit selling a cheaply made product
Steiger
Case might’ve had good concepts, but they were ugly junk. Deere had them all beat in styling...Steiger #2...but #1 in durability.
Deere didnt beat anyone. Henry Dreyfuss did. Also imo, Versatile had the best look. Rugged and powerful looking.