New Canon PRO printers - time for the PRO-1000 update. What the PRO-2600 announcement tells us
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- Опубликовано: 25 янв 2024
- Is it time for Canon to update the PRO-1000 printer? The latest Canon large format printer announcements give strong clues as to what we will see.
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Question, what is a good canon printer to learn about fine art printing for photography, i was looking at the pro-1000 but something tells me that is not for a newbie, maybe the pro-300?
i want to learn how to print in 17" but i would be printing once or twice a week.
The pro-300 is good, but stock up on ink carts ;-)
See www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-300-printer-review/
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this.
Thanks - I'm keen to see what happens in this area
Thank you Keith. :)
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Good information Keith
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Thanks Keith. I've watched a number of your presentations. Always enjoyable. I haven't printed in many years and want to get back in. I like what I've seen with the Canon Pro 1000. Do you know of any videos on getting one setup and help on how they operate and how to properly use and care for it?
Thanks - I've no videos at all. I'd suggest reading my original lengthy review
www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-1000-printer-review/
Pre-dates someone at Canon UK persuading me to do videos to supplement my written reviews and articles ;-) I have to admit that I don't personally watch YT for anything photography related.
@@KeithCooper OK, I will, thanks!
@@KeithCooper Oh, one more thing. I haven't read your article yet but I saw a video regarding the Pro 1000 and a guy said he runs a nozzle check often if he's not printing a lot to compensate for the loss of more ink when running a general cleaning. He says this is a better and cheaper way to keep the nozzles clean and not waste much ink. Do you have an opinion on this?
every printer is different in this respect
relevant for the 1000, less so for the 100@@Zebrajellyfishphoto
@@KeithCooper Thank you.
Looking for your excellent review, Keith. However, the real question is whether the new inks have greater archival stability for display under gallery lighting. Tough one to test.
I'd suggest keeping an eye out for technical support publications from Canon - that's where I suspect we'll see some info about such testing. Not an aspect I can cover...
A very exciting announcement indeed. I’m still printing on a pro-2000 and it along with the 4000 are the best LFP’s I’ve owned. It’s difficult to improve on great so I imagine the incremental improvements would make a great printer better.
Yes, the PRO-2000 I reviewed in 2016 is still a pretty good printer.
I need to re-read my PRO-2000 and PRO-1000 reviews again - they long pre-date me doing videos and are very detailed ;-)
Which other LFP did you own?
iPF8300,SP9600,SP7880
Very interesting Keith! Interest in a replacement for Pro-1000 seems to increase each year and I appreciate your more measure approach to the "rumour" mill. ;-)
Thanks - I look forward to seeing some of the nonsense put forward elsewhere ;-) :-)
@@KeithCooper I've heard it will have 14 inks including a new dedicated tartan ink cartridge. It will also support circular paper. 🙂
I'm sure there is a 'rumor' site out there that will be grateful for that info...
I have noticed the offered rebate on B&H and Adorama is much lower than it was last year. I wonder if it is seasonal or a sign something is coming. I been holding off on buying a printer until I have my images organized and ready to put a printer to work.
The rebate is to shift stock, so possible, but I don't know of anything yet...
My WAG for PRO-1000 is
1. New inks as you suggested
2. Roll paper - max print length
3. Flat feed
4. Thinker print material
5. Anti-clog technology with less ink consumption.
6. Touch screen
7. Edge to edge
8. Higher Price!
Yes - quite a reasonable collection ;-)
I would have said “WISH” but my wife wouldn’t understand why I’m replacing my PRO-1000 I bought a year ago.
@@KeithCooper
Nice video Keith! Here goes my question. What do you think are the equivalent of these 2600/4600/6800 printers in Epson? I would like to make a comparison but I am new to this world. Greetings from Peru!
Thanks - probably the P7500/9500 at the moment
@@KeithCooper Thanks!
Hi what is your estimation on when different paper companies like canson, hanenmule, etc will release paper profiles for these new printers? Thanks
Should be within a month or two once the printers become more common. This has caused issues in the past when Canon starts shipping in one region, and it isn't the one where the paper companies are based.
Nice, thanks for the update! Do you see a chance of a radical overhaul to Canon's line of large printers in the next few years, with an eventual deprecation of the old hardware to boot?
Which 'large' printers? - Large to me is anything I need assistance with for moving ;-)
@@KeithCooper Large format (Canon pro 1000, 2000, 4000) I debated writing "large format" since I thought "large" would be specific enough.
I don't know if you group 1000 with the rest but they all use the same ink so I consider them part of the same family.
The Pro-2000/2100/2600 progression looks similar to the previous generation. I suspect the next change will be an all new print head, ink system [maybe] and a chassis redesign, as when the pro-2000 appeared.
So, a 1000 gets updated with the new inks and maybe a few other mechanical changes, then itself updated some time after the 2600 is updated.
I need to update the Canon printer timeline in my Canon news page on our site.
@@KeithCooper Exciting! Looking forward to when you eventually review those!
I have heard you cannot use original Lucia pro ink with the new machines, only the new Lucia ink ll....If it's using the same print head as the 4100 wouldn't it stand to reason that the older inks would work finer with the 4600 printer?
No, I'm afraid it doesn't ;-)
The head may be the same, but the firing of the nozzles is fine tuned to the properties of the new ink. There are other changes hinted at in some marketing stuff.
Whilst I've not had a chance to test this, I suspect there are other differences, that and the inks may not mix well...
For what it's worth in the speculation department, Canon USA just replaced my 2016 Pro 1000 after I found it leaking ink out the bottom of the printer. This unit also has the issue of not being able to eject the cartridges when replacing ink. Had to use needle nose pliers to remove them. Make of that what you will. Could Canon USA be purging the stock of Pro 1000s to make room for an upgrade? Thanks again for your insight Keith.
Thanks - I have heard of occasional cart ejection issues over the years
Hi Keith,
Do you think, based on your thoughts about the Canon Pro 1000. Do you think the Cano Pro 300 will also see an upgrade? Is it the only other Image Prograf printer that hasn't got newly updated along with the Pro 1000? Or do you think they'll leave that one as-is for a while as came out in 2020 (as opposed to 2015 Pro 1000, or does that not matter as wasn't the 1000 meant to upgrade in 2020 so maybe they'll just do both together?).
I want to get a printer for printing art prints mostly. I'm torn between these 2 (Pro 300 and 1000) and the Epson ET 8550 (but I've heard this has roller mark issues? though it's significantly better on ink cost it seems). Would so love your thoughts!
I suspect the 300 will be current for at least another 2-3 years. The two are from different product families - the changes of the 2600 just make a 1000 more likely
Thanks for your thoughts on this. My Pro 1000 - unrepairable. Canon wouldn't touch it and I could not find anyone local-ish to even try. Certainly a new model being more repairable would be great. And it's not asking much! Allowing a printer head swap in a dormant machine is an easy request. I don't print much (why my printer ultimately failed) but I do love using it when i do. Sensational quality, exactly as it looks on screen, etc.. But since I'm in no rush I think i'll wait for a new model. Hopefully it's this year, as you said. Thanks for your insight!
Thanks - glad it was of interest.
Definitely looking forward to testing what turns up...
I've had a PRO-1000 since 2017 and the head was completely dead when I tried to use it for the first time after being dormant for a few years. I couldn't even be sure everything would work if I replaced the head. I noticed that a whole new printer cost the same as a head and a full set of ink, so I bought one but didn't unpack anything except the new head which I popped into the old printer which worked perfectly. Now I've got the new printer as a standby in case I ever need it, plus a full set of ink which I would have needed to buy eventually anyway. If there had been a new PRO-1600 available I'm sure I would have gone for that but I'm pretty happy with how it worked out.
Wonder if the new inks will be or could be made to work with the Pro-1000?
I suspect not - the formulation has changed sufficiently that they could cause issues [the wax component for example]
Now, I'm sure someone will try it somehow, but not with a printer of mine ;-)
Should feel like questioning myself for purchasing a Pro-1000 2 weeks ago? Should I have waited just a little longer?
No - make great prints with the PRO-1000
I'll bet that when [and it won't be soon] the replacement becomes available, I could do two prints of the same image for you, on it and the 1000, and if I didn't say, you couldn't be sure which was which.
Waiting is for when you don't need a printer...
Thank You for your videos! I will be receiving the PRO-4600 later today. My first experience with a large format printer. Trying to find ICC profiles for this series seems to be an easter egg hunt in the dark. The paper supplier I have used (RedRiver) doesn't have them as of yet and has not given me an ETA. Do you have a recommended ICC profile to start with? I will contact Canon once I get the SN and they will accept a call. Thank You for any assistance
The x600 uses different inks and ink densities, so proper profiles are the only way to go.
Pick an installed Canon profile for a paper which matches what you are using is the best I can suggest...
@@KeithCooper Thank you for the info!
Hang on a min, I thought the pro1000 could print thick cardstock up to 1.5mm in passthrough?
Nope - no straight through path. Only flexible media
see www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-1000-printer-review/
#¤&#%&! Well, thats annoying, since I exchanged my faulty P900 for a pro1000 about a month ago. I must have just taken it for granted... @@KeithCooper
I've got a new unboxed pro1000 for several days and can not decide if I open and enjoy it, or send back and wait for a new model. Thank you, you've made the choice even harder😂
Definetly not the best time to buy a new printer )
My feeling is that if you wait, you will be waiting for at least 6 months, possibly longer
@@KeithCooper That's what i'm thinking too. No infos, even no rumors only some speculations. Think, I'll stick with pro1000 for now, and if the followup model wil be worth upgrading, these printers do not cost a fortune in the end...
Yes - you get to print...
I've seen nothing of note, and there's nothing I can't mention either ;-)@@dopeless
I don't know if it was a salesman's tactic to sell what he had in stock or not, because when I asked about when will the next Pro-1000 update be and will it be accepting rolls, he said that it's highly unlikely there will ever be one! He said that he was saying that because Canon were stopping the 17" paper size! This was about a year ago. Any thoughts? Thanks for your videos👊.
Sound suspicious - I cannot see them ceding this entire market to Epson ;-)
@@KeithCooperfor example, 17" platinum pro roll is marked as discontinued on B&H. Same for luster. Only satin avaliable from canon
Thanks - A good few of the Canon 17" rolls were originally for the iPF5100 and stock lasts a long while once the printer is discontinued ;-)
That said, I still wouldn't be overly surprised to see the successor to the PRO-1000 as sheet only if Canon decide that there is not enough demand for roll. I can't see them not offering 17" width in some format though.
@@torkalovolodymyr5097
@@KeithCooperAh. good point. I haven't thought that 17'' technically are not intended for pro 1000. (but for me it's more convenient to cut any size i want)
But it's weird anyway to discontinue papers if in near future were plans to introduce new 17" model
I am very new to all this. I like to produce some Limited Edition Prints of my Oil Paintings on Quality Thick Textured 140 lb Watercolor papers. Would this printer do that?
As long as the paper was one meant for inkjet use [140lb is a designation which always raises warnings for me - it's not a measurement format used often with good inkjet papers] then it should...
However - this assumes suitable icc paper profiles and a well set up colour managed workflow - art repro is the most technical area of photography and printing I cover.
So, sure, the 2600 is capable, but printer choice is but a small part of the picture...
I was thinking of getting the Epson P-900, but I have heard it can use a lot of ink, so a new Canon PRO-1000 II may be a better choice.
No way of knowing at the moment, but the P900 does not use a lot of ink, certainly in comparison with he Current PRO-1000 if you don't use it enough.
@@KeithCooper Are you saying that the PRO-1000 uses more ink than the P-900 ?
I'm disinclined to say the P900 is 'worse' to any significant degree in terms of actual ink used - total costs for ink vary though with region and local supply situations.
I'm minded to suggest that the proportion used for cleaning as compared to total ink used can be a noticeably higher on a PRO-1000 if you don't use it a lot. That's based on just a few observations from people who kept records of ink use over longer periods. Not data I have access to, in order to evaluate methodologies and other factors, so an opinion at best ;-)
The uncertainty in such figures, and people's desire for simple answers is one reason I have never ever expressed conclusions for total ink costs in my reviews.
Whatever I was to say, some people would still mis-interpret it and read into it what suited the answer they really wanted ;-) :-)
@@KeithCooper I know ink in the UK not is so expensive as I have to pay, but Epson Ink is very expensive. A printer that can take all kind of Ink brands would be very nice, but I guess that there are not competition enough to do that.
Great news!!! This new inkset may allow prints to be framed without requiring lacquer spraying or glass covering! "Scratch resistant" may be one of the reasons for the increased longevity, besides the better yellow ink that you mentioned. A tougher surface should hold up better when unprotected.
It also has the chroma optimizer that Epson doesn't have, which will help protect the entire print, including the paper that gets no ink (whites).
I really like the look of sprayed prints without glass, but the acrylic spray is nasty and unhealthy to apply. This inkset may require neither, but of course, owners of the prints would have to take care to not use liquid when cleaning, except when absolutely necessary, and then only a tiny bit, briefly. Someone should test this.
I'm now very happy that I let my Epson 9600, 24 inch printer die, when the yellow ink failed nozzle cleanings.
It's interesting that yellow ink was the longevity weakness of Epson's HDR inkset too, which they fixed with their last printer upgrade. But they don't have the chroma optimizer, and don't claim more scratch resistance.
This inkset could be a dream-come-true, game changer!
NO - remember you are just reading marketing copy... ;-)
Forget it, it's still pigment ink on paper.
The CO does not really work like that either...
I'm currently watching a Canon Webinar about the printer
Big 'feature' ease of use for a wider 'non specialised' audience - faster paper loading and usability related things
'Could-be' - Nope, an incremental improvement in the range
@@KeithCooper Regarding prints to be somewhat more durable to possibly be framed without glass or spray coating, Bryan Carnathan at The Digital Picture said in his news announcement: "The new ink set can also work to help produce and *preserve* prints as a *crystalline wax* has been added to the ink, giving the printed surface better resistance to abrasion-caused scratches on glossy and semi-glossy media."
Regarding chroma optimizer, I'm thinking that it's a layer of clear ink applied to the paper that would help keep ozone from directly hitting it in the white areas that receive no ink otherwise (as in Epson). It's gotta help at least a little bit, and maybe would make it easier to clean too.
Maybe it could help dust from getting imbedded in the paper.
Yes - straight from the press info ;-)
All these things obviously do help a bit - just that marketing materials are written for people to imagine that 'bit' as rather more significant than it might turn out to be.
Until I get a printer to test, I read the press info and related copy with half an eye as to spotting when parts are 'repurposed'. If enough outlets print info from or based on your press info, the proportion of people ingesting it rises...
@@jefffenske1958
Ohh no just bought pro 1000 last week.
It will give years of service - there is no replacement announced, yet alone available.
The PRO-1000 is an excellent printer - I'd bet that if I put a test print beside one from its eventual replacement virtually no-one would spot the difference...
Canon has an opportunity to crush Epson in the 17” market. The issue is : will they ? Is the market big enough for a breakout product ?
No-one 'crushes' anyone in this business ;-)
If we're talking 17", the P5300 is looking good, unless you also want to be able to print borderless postcards or are short of space [or ££]
@@KeithCooper Maybe you are right, and I let open the possibility that canon won't invest either on the 17" printers. On the other hand, I saw the presentation of the newer printers, they are looking great. Let see what happens.
Of course, the reality is that all printers just suck.
In the wrong hands for sure.
I'd have said just the opposite for ink-jet printers...