I learnt in Ibiza while standing in the DJ booths that most big named DJ's are really just producers that can DJ a little bit. Some of the best DJ's I've seen aren't that well known
For music like this yes you are definitely right when you get into music with more depth a lot of the big name DJs have been doing this for decades and were DJs before producers and as such are still good DJs however as these are DJs from the 80s and 90s they are all getting on a bit and over time more deeper genres may also turn out like the highest paid DJs that play the more commercial stuff.
@@mintomax2 I was a full time DJ myself in Ibiza, I was a nobody, but I got to warm up for some of the big names of the day. Some were really good, some were truly terrible at Djing. It was kind of different back then, it was harder to blag because mixing vinyl was just about still the main way to DJ, although some had started to use CDJ's with BPM displays so you knew where to put the pitch at least. Some of the technically bad DJ's I liked still tho.
I started back in 1999 playing hard house on a couple of beat down belt drive omnitronic decks. Saved up for two years and bought some 1210s. Stopped when I was 25 and sold everything to start a new life abroad. In 2018 I started producing my own tracks and during Covid I bought decks again. Now I'm a 40 year old dad and back at it. If you have a passion, it doesn't matter how old you are. We're all young in the eyes of the dead.
Im 42, I had decks about 20 years ago and loved it but my life took another direction and got rid of them. Now Ive just bought some more and getting back into it. This is inspiring.
Lol just like me - still got my technic decks and vinyl and a pioneer sdj-sx i think it is. Used to spend a fortune on music back in the day. Every week on juno, order em and then home at lunch when they got delivered to work ready for a session at the weekend. I got pretty good but mever pushed myself into gettings gigs etc. kids etc got in the way and it fell by the wayside. Just dug the pipneer out the loft this week and bought some studio monitors along with a beatport trial. Also installed ableton and fancy a dabble at that too. Time still a factor for me as well though with work and kids. Good to have the music back again though. Ive missed it. Life too short innit! Whizzes by.
If you want to be a ‘big’ DJ you basically have to be a producer that makes a hit track it’s that simple. There are so many unreal technical DJs out there who can put down an amazing set with great tune selection and amazing mixing, but they’re not going to get the bookings compared to a producer who has a track that’s being played out in the clubs. These producers then have to learn how to dj on the fly once a track gets picked up. Fortunately, for us as punters there is sync button now so anyone can DJ to a degree. Anyone who used to go to any DNB raves back in the day knows the absolute clang fest that could happen on the turntables when producer DJs would get on the decks as opposed to the real DJs
This might well be the case, and there are definitely people like that out there, but a lot of the advice he gives is legit. When I first started writing techno, my first 3 tracks I sent to 80 labels, got them signed within 2-3 hours. Where the labels huge? No. Am I a global superstar, CLEARLY NOT and probably most likely, almost definitely will never be. But the music got out there, and then more music got out there and it kept me going and the whole thing keeps me happy.
the hidden story I got here is it is all in who you know, connections. If he didnt have the friends he has this would not have happened. How many of us are going to get a call to open for a major act inside a month of picking up the art?
Im 43 and started last year. This summer i have had 6 gigs and going to play on a forest rave next weekend. Its never to late to Dj if you love music 🙏
@@andrewk9241 sure, while that's part of the story, he still showed up every day and did the work. There are lots of people who have connections, but if they don't do what it takes, it won't get them far. Credit to him for making the best of his opportunities.
@@andrewk9241if you don't mind me saying, this is quite a negative perspective to have. Yes, his connections clearly gave him his job break, but there's so much more to the interview/podcast than that. His connections didn't make people enjoy his music. You can build connections over time. The power of connections is a massive lesson from this. So let's all make some connections. :)
Age is just a number. It's not a factor if you truly have a passion for music and believe in yourself. I'm 50 years old and just started my producing journey 3 years ago. Two of my tracks just got signed by labels which makes me want it even more and work even harder. I see it as the beginning for me and I don't plan on ever stopping. There is no age in music. If you love it and have a passion for it, no one or nothing can take that away from you
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🚀 Chapter & Verse became a DJ within three weeks, starting with a set of decks. 04:26 🎧 Persistence and consistency are crucial in the music industry; keep pushing even after setbacks. 09:17 📧 Chapter & Verse sent demos to around a thousand labels to get his first track signed. 12:21 💪 Maintain your authenticity and don't change to fit into someone else's mold in the industry. 17:22 🎵 Stick to your chosen sound, develop it, and don't be discouraged by others' success. 18:50 🎵 DJ Chapter & Verse emphasizes the importance of quick creative ideation when producing music, suggesting that spending too much time perfecting tracks can hinder productivity and creativity. 20:45 💡 The key to success in music production is quantity and consistency. Rather than obsessing over a single track, it's more effective to create multiple ideas, select the best ones, and finalize them. 21:53 🌎 DJ Chapter & Verse emphasizes the reality that most people, even in the music industry, won't recognize or know who you are. Staying grounded and understanding that only a fraction of the public is aware of your work is important. 29:55 🔊 When testing the potential success of content, DJ Chapter & Verse recommends using platforms like Twitter to gauge initial audience interest before promoting it on platforms like Instagram. 34:36 🎧 DJ Chapter & Verse discusses the challenges of DJing and the importance of adaptability during live shows, highlighting the need to carry enough music and adjusting the tempo based on the audience and venue. 38:23 🌍 DJs may feel like they're well-known, but in reality, most people outside the music industry don't recognize even famous DJs like David Guetta. 40:16 🏠 Building a home studio can be a game-changer for music producers, especially during times like the COVID-19 pandemic. 41:11 🎶 Consistency is crucial in music production; releasing tracks regularly can lead to unexpected success. 42:51 🚫 Bootlegs might not always be the best approach; it's essential to stick to your roots while experimenting occasionally. 45:43 🌐 The UK music market can be challenging to break into, even for established DJs and producers. It requires persistence and hard work. Made with HARPA AI
I feel like the most important part of his story was glanced over. How did he go from never producing music to getting signed and in beatport top 20 in hardly any time at all? There was no overview of how he did this other than he went to master mind studios once a week. The reality is most aspiring producers struggle with getting their sound good enough to be signed and would also totally bomb walking into their first DJ gig never touching CDJs. This interview left a taste of both DJing and getting signed are easy to do. Wish we could have heard more about how he went about learning production so quickly.
At the start of the video he's talking about hanging out with people who are in the industry. Sure he must have some degree of skill in DJing, but if you know people who can get show bookings you're already way ahead of anybody else who has just started.
Sure it is mad moves and fairplay. Think you may be missing the point though, he was chatting about not wanting to get signed and stay independent. I suppose enjoying the process and initially putting out everywhere to get booked
38, been producing since I was 13. Just now about to release music and start performing. Thank you for the video…grew up in a family of musicians so this is a pursuit that means a lot to my heart. Dubstep, dnb, bass house, all heavy bass and high energy genres pretty much! Artist name is RANVAC.
I started producing at 30, now at 37 I’m competent and found my sound. Definitely felt my age coming into this field, glad to come to have come across this knowing it’s still possible
Right? Lmfao. Love the character but his music is as generic tech house as it gets. Fucking wish I'll look as good as him at 40 though. Bro is youthful
100%. Dude's had industry contacts for years, definitely comes from money, and has one of the most generic, boring sounds in the industry. Every song the same etc. No hate though. He knows what will take him to where he wants to be and he's done that. Hope he continues to slay.
Put this guy in front of some 1210s, and he won't have a clue. Took me at least 6 months to get consistent mixing and a lifetime to master. Technology took the spirit out of djing and now you got a bunch of fonies.
This is exactly what I'm going through right now! I'm turning 40 soon and have recently decided to be a DJ. So glad I found this video! Thanks for sharing your story. It's exactly what I needed.
A very inspiring video ! Thank you Crossfader and Dj Chapter & Verse ! Am 47 & just finished my professional CDJ course ! Looking forward to shine in 2024 & beyond…
Thank you, Crossfader for this podcast! Thank you also Chapter & Verse for sharing your journey! Your story is very inspiring! I’m 51 years old and recently got back into DJing and putting out mixes. I had been bedroom producer for years, but couldn’t finish tracks, etc and gave up. Since coming back to this I’m determined now to make it at my age because I realize I love music and performing more than anything and this is what I want to do!! Thank you so much again for sharing your story!
@@ericbarata of course I have a job. All jobs are real because they are just jobs. FYI: Even music is a job. Why the need to minimize someone’s dreams with limiting beliefs?
@@ericbarata Many people will say get a real job, but like I mentioned all jobs are real including music. Keep doing what you want, and don't listen to people who do not understand. As long as you can live, pay bills, and be happy what does it matter. Now if the above is not the case and you are struggling to eat and pay bills then getting a job that isn't music to help is no shame. Just keep working on what you want to do! :)
@@ericbarataWhen people say this its usually because they don’t like their job or wish they could do something more enjoyable and are jealous. If you’re making money and are able to pay your bills then keep going - thats a job.
I'm only 25 and have always stressed about being so far behind people my age in this space, namely the dutch wizkids so this has been the most valuable podcast for me to date. Big up Chapter & Verse and yourselves, love the message and what you're doing here.
Yeah 28 here too just starting but we have to remember were comparing ourselves to the biggest names ever so as long as you're not aiming to be the greatest that ever lived just keep going at it! Good luck
Dude when you’re 40 you’ll be dreaming of being 25 and having all that time to accomplish your dreams. Stop listening to the voice in your head and do the work. You can do it.
unfortunatly i believe he is just proving the point that now a days to become a known dj you must pay a promoter or have contacts as he did, its very difficult now a days to become dj
Had the pleasure of hanging out with Barry a few times in Miami back in Feb and March for music week. This guy has the best energy and positive vibe and completely deserves all the success thats been happening for him
Your sense of peace behind the decks and affection for the camera on your channel has always made my heart sing, particularly when I’ve lost the melody in my soul
I DMed C&V when he was already making some impact in the scene... super humble guy, gave me tips on music production and all that stuff. He has it all well fucking deserved!
Id have to agree with you on that. I've looked at multiple companies offering dj courses online and everyone of them feels like I'm being sold on a personality instead of skills i can learn... or some bs "the only transition you'll ever need" or something like it... I was only able to find one live session of Chapter & Verse on RUclips playing live at a club... If i was going to spend $660 id expect more... or at least don't try to baffle them with your bs and name drops...
This man is one of my most listened to artists ever. And I discovered him in the beginning of 2020. The tech house scene is changed and improved for good, forever.
In my opinion, DJing is best learnd on the Technics turntables 1200 with records. I started doing this in 1985. There was no digital technology at that time to count bars or prases. Or a sync button. There was no recommendation like you have in CDJs to play the next song. Everything back then was purely based on feeling and mastering the technique to master a turntable. The music that was pressed onto records did not run smoothly at all, so you had to constantly make adjustments during mixing. The intro and outrou of a song were sometimes extremely short. Nowadays you use the loop to mix in or out. I think it's nice for this gentleman that he can play in clubs later in life, but I have my doubts about his technique. He has just been very lucky because he knows the right people who grant him that.
Learned more in this interview than in most videos about social media management i've seen until now. The key word is CONSISTENCY. Well done. Chapeau!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Ah... here I am, at 42, considering getting back into the dj game. Once again, I'm reminded - it's still all about who you know. Didn't even need to watch more than the first few minutes. Thank you.
@djrobincooper pretty much the same. Haven't dj'ed since I left FL over 10 years ago. This video is such a sham. I mean, cool, good for him, but it's so misleading to the viewers.
Love this guy, style & humblest & geez refreshing to hear someone story starting when most people say it's too late. His taste in music is awesome, play his stuff & never knew his story. Inspiring...
Very true. At the same time a big part of DJ'ing is networking. I'm 39 myself and only started learning about two years ago. Taking the leap is the scariest part, because obviously it's a very small chance we actually make it. So anyway, I'm moving to Ibiza in November 😅
@@DamYea networking is everything, obviously you need be be talented/hardworking but its the connections and networking that get you places same with every industry
There is so much missing from this "incredible" story. How did he learn to produce? Where did he get all his contacts from? How did he financially support himself during this journey?
dont know there was much luck involved in this... this guy clearly knew multiple people in the industry and was around dance music. I guess fair enough, he is still a 40 year old that decided dj'ing looks easy, i'll give this a go... but he clearly knew about dance music and knew people in the industry... meaning once he learned the technical aspect of dj'ing everything else was an afterthought. I don't think his situation is comparable to most 40 year olds, who would not still be immersed in dance culture at Ibiza and have multiple DJ friends putting them on the up and up. having said that... If you have always wanted to be in the industry... and you have friends that can put you on, maybe you should listen to this guys advice. Work hard, don't stop... and with a little luck your friends will put you on.
4:40 Hurt my soul hearing that the man "worked for this guy, Dale, for 10 years" and he didn't get a solid support gig for a big artist. Meanwhile Chapter & Verse (all love) gets a very solid artist support slot as his first decent gig...Industry is weird man...
People in the comments saying "it's all about who you know" like that is the only contributing factor... Sure, it helps, and in this case there was a bit of luck involved as well, but there is no denying that this guy set his eyes on the prize and worked for it. He obviously works hard. 5 or 6 ideas in a day is nuts. 300 unreleased tunes us nuts. I found this interview super inspiring. Well done to Chapter and Verse. You put in the work, and are reaping the rewards.
I had never heard of you or your music until this video. It was great to hear your story, what a rapid rise you are having, fair play.Positive mindset!!!
A lot of respect for you gentlemen! I’m happy this serves as proof that it is possible and it reinforces the concept of how much you really want it being directly proportional with how fast and well it will work out. The Force works in mysterious ways lol! Much love and health to all of you!
I have been making house & techno music on & off since 1998. As far as actual "DJing" goes, I have not done that in a long time. I have been focusing solely on production and trying to get my name out there. It has been impossible. There is so much marketing involved, money, etc... It is pretty clear that this guy has "friends" with connections. That is the only reason he is popular.
@@sadatkd It didn't happen to him overnight by the sound of it. Yeah he got there quicker than a lot of people but it sounds like he put the work in. I think everyone thinks they can be a producer or DJ, and some people just don't have the natural ability. No shame in that, and no harm in just doing it as a hobby if you enjoy it. I think you'll know if you've got potential to be good enough at it after a couple of years of hard work. It's not for everyone, which is why not everyone makes it.
@@hearmenow909 bro you do realise all he did was spend thousands on a world class ghost producer (called Scott Lowe) to make all his tracks for him - and still does. CV cant produce music. Also he's pretty well off anyway and spent a forutne on marketing. The only work he put in was digging into his pockets because he wanted to be a 'dj' overnight.
The numbers game talk at 20:00 is so damn true for every industry. The pros are always ahead because they do it full time, if you want to be a pro you have to treat it like a job and commit whenever you can.
Honestly, I have no fracken idea who either of you are, not a clue. I got here by mistake, clicked accidently cause my dog sat on my hand. Listened to the whole thing, though, very interesting story with a good deal of humor and a large load of humility, and humility is lacking in most people these days leaving them as just big loads. Congrats on the success, hope it continues. Still have no idea who you are.
Great interview. Barry(?) seems like such a sound bloke and absolutely works hard, so deserves every success. His production is top notch and clearly constructs tracks really well. The only negative thing I have to say is that calling this music tech house is a travesty and an insult to the real tech house producers such as Terry Francis, Nathan Coles (RIP), Eddie Richards, Mr. C, Gideon Jackson etc. it’s not a criticism of Barry personally, but a lot of people put their whole lives into delivering a true art form, only for it to be hijacked by profiteers looking for a new way to package their bullshit.
Most people get into decks cos they love the whole mixing thing, back before it was technics on vinyl and thru the years move with the times to cdj and controller. But this era people want to dj just to be famous. I’m 37 and had decks about 25 year it’s the best hobby to get into as a youngster.
This is the first RUclips record I’m pitching down. As a retired analog DJ, I’d guess this is easily 180 words per minute. Incidentally, I pro DJ’d for ~10 years (85-95) and have tried to produce a track since that time and cannot. It’s not as easy as everyone thinks. I’m jealous.
Love the job you guys doing. I'm so inspired by all free lessons and tricks you teach us and these episodes especially with this legend, are so inspirational! I only started an year ago at 28 and I thought I woke up too late to pursue this passion but now you guys motivated me so much. I don't know what is the real DJ world yet, but comparing to others the community in general seems everywhere so keen to help eachother to grow even though there are millions of dj around the world and it seems fantastic. Anyway, this man is an absolute icon! Thanks for all the work you guys put in it and keep well! 🙏❤️
Damnnn i m early 30ish and i started making music in 28 i was thinking i m little late but i am hopefull. This give me a moral boost. Thanks mann i will do it for sure .
Great true story. Thank you for sharing it. Also, thank you very much for the great tips you gave on your experiences in this industry. Much respect!!!
Shaq has actually been active in the bass scene for over 35 years, he actually seems very passionate about DJ'ing so he's one of the only celebrity DJs that gets a pass imo.
10:40 A lot of people in the industry get caught up signing poor deals like this, which work out into the labels favour. And if it does become successful then it's very difficult later to recoup the costs. For great advise, listen to Judge Jules podcast with Celeb Savant. Jules would also make a great guest here speaking more about this subject 😀
This was a very inspiring interview! I'm in the same point in life as Chapter & Verse aka just turned 40, but have learned DJing and music production in the past few years in my 30s. Covid hit and then I ended up taking a break from all of the DJing / music stuff. But I've come back again, and am hoping to put double the effort from last time and hopefully get some recognition this time around! I've recently uploaded a new mixtrack on my channel, maybe some of you might enjoy listening to it!
Nice to hear.. drive passion persistance littlebit of talent and prob lots of social skills (energy like you say) and adjust, calibrate microcalibrate.. but doing it because of the first two (drive passion).. Im on my way, be ready :D (I'm 48)
There are guys out there who are bedroom DJs… but also largely bedroom listeners. That is, they’re not physically part of any kind of music scene. Thousands of people can work a set of decks. Some have great musical taste too. Some can knock up a great house tune on a DAW. But if you’re not out there making connections with promoters and industry people, how would you wind up a DJ? Listening to this guy, he’s a hard working self-promoter. That’s, what, 80% of it?
Props to Chapter and Verse for making it happen! However, it still makes me wince how the big DJs are all doing this EDM, Techy House sound. The masses seem to like that commercial sound... big noises, simple leads, crappy bass lines with zero swing, hollow non-emotional breaks... I can't stand it. Makes me wanna hurl. But hey, he made it happen! Respect!
You completely missed that the most important wasn't what you learned or the time you did it on the beginning, but only the people that you knew. Is all about the people that you know... nothing else.
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I learnt in Ibiza while standing in the DJ booths that most big named DJ's are really just producers that can DJ a little bit. Some of the best DJ's I've seen aren't that well known
For music like this yes you are definitely right when you get into music with more depth a lot of the big name DJs have been doing this for decades and were DJs before producers and as such are still good DJs however as these are DJs from the 80s and 90s they are all getting on a bit and over time more deeper genres may also turn out like the highest paid DJs that play the more commercial stuff.
Pole folder , Guy j , Sebastian leger , kamilo sanclemente are all amazing DJs and pure artists
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Yup!
@@mintomax2 I was a full time DJ myself in Ibiza, I was a nobody, but I got to warm up for some of the big names of the day. Some were really good, some were truly terrible at Djing. It was kind of different back then, it was harder to blag because mixing vinyl was just about still the main way to DJ, although some had started to use CDJ's with BPM displays so you knew where to put the pitch at least. Some of the technically bad DJ's I liked still tho.
I started back in 1999 playing hard house on a couple of beat down belt drive omnitronic decks. Saved up for two years and bought some 1210s. Stopped when I was 25 and sold everything to start a new life abroad. In 2018 I started producing my own tracks and during Covid I bought decks again. Now I'm a 40 year old dad and back at it. If you have a passion, it doesn't matter how old you are. We're all young in the eyes of the dead.
Im 42, I had decks about 20 years ago and loved it but my life took another direction and got rid of them. Now Ive just bought some more and getting back into it. This is inspiring.
Lol just like me - still got my technic decks and vinyl and a pioneer sdj-sx i think it is. Used to spend a fortune on music back in the day. Every week on juno, order em and then home at lunch when they got delivered to work ready for a session at the weekend. I got pretty good but mever pushed myself into gettings gigs etc. kids etc got in the way and it fell by the wayside. Just dug the pipneer out the loft this week and bought some studio monitors along with a beatport trial. Also installed ableton and fancy a dabble at that too. Time still a factor for me as well though with work and kids. Good to have the music back again though. Ive missed it. Life too short innit! Whizzes by.
The perks of divorce.
Played Gottwood in my early 50s last year and smashed it. Never too old.
If you want to be a ‘big’ DJ you basically have to be a producer that makes a hit track it’s that simple. There are so many unreal technical DJs out there who can put down an amazing set with great tune selection and amazing mixing, but they’re not going to get the bookings compared to a producer who has a track that’s being played out in the clubs. These producers then have to learn how to dj on the fly once a track gets picked up. Fortunately, for us as punters there is sync button now so anyone can DJ to a degree. Anyone who used to go to any DNB raves back in the day knows the absolute clang fest that could happen on the turntables when producer DJs would get on the decks as opposed to the real DJs
@@trancevoyagesessionswhats the sync button? 😂🤣😂 Vinyl only here 😎never made the switch to digital and still only use vinyl today.
i mean syncing two tracks is just the beginning of djing
@@dabadoo7631 i agree! Track selection in order for you to tell a story with your set is major component as well 👍
i’ll make a hundred tracks and sync button my gigs while they cry about it
💯👍🏽
Step 1: know people in the industry
Step 2: have a ghost producer
Step 3: become worldwide touring dj
This is globally what I got from this as well
and some luck
This might well be the case, and there are definitely people like that out there, but a lot of the advice he gives is legit. When I first started writing techno, my first 3 tracks I sent to 80 labels, got them signed within 2-3 hours. Where the labels huge? No. Am I a global superstar, CLEARLY NOT and probably most likely, almost definitely will never be. But the music got out there, and then more music got out there and it kept me going and the whole thing keeps me happy.
Lol. The Fisher playbook exactly.
@@konstantinepope how do you send music to labels?
Super fascinating listen! This just got randomly reccomended to me, but overall really insightful podcast!
As a guy in my early 40’s you’ve really made me stop and think about what I want to achieve. What a great story. ❤
the hidden story I got here is it is all in who you know, connections. If he didnt have the friends he has this would not have happened. How many of us are going to get a call to open for a major act inside a month of picking up the art?
Im 43 and started last year. This summer i have had 6 gigs and going to play on a forest rave next weekend. Its never to late to Dj if you love music 🙏
@@theaverageguy3884 I'm 43 and started March this year.
@@andrewk9241 sure, while that's part of the story, he still showed up every day and did the work. There are lots of people who have connections, but if they don't do what it takes, it won't get them far. Credit to him for making the best of his opportunities.
@@andrewk9241if you don't mind me saying, this is quite a negative perspective to have.
Yes, his connections clearly gave him his job break, but there's so much more to the interview/podcast than that.
His connections didn't make people enjoy his music. You can build connections over time.
The power of connections is a massive lesson from this. So let's all make some connections. :)
Age is just a number. It's not a factor if you truly have a passion for music and believe in yourself. I'm 50 years old and just started my producing journey 3 years ago. Two of my tracks just got signed by labels which makes me want it even more and work even harder. I see it as the beginning for me and I don't plan on ever stopping. There is no age in music. If you love it and have a passion for it, no one or nothing can take that away from you
Amazing mate. Keep going.
Am 55…same passion…the music never leaves you
This is a prime example of it’s not what u know it’s who you know
Not really man he have a ton of nuggets about how to market yourself and just grind. Dude is a straight hustler.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🚀 Chapter & Verse became a DJ within three weeks, starting with a set of decks.
04:26 🎧 Persistence and consistency are crucial in the music industry; keep pushing even after setbacks.
09:17 📧 Chapter & Verse sent demos to around a thousand labels to get his first track signed.
12:21 💪 Maintain your authenticity and don't change to fit into someone else's mold in the industry.
17:22 🎵 Stick to your chosen sound, develop it, and don't be discouraged by others' success.
18:50 🎵 DJ Chapter & Verse emphasizes the importance of quick creative ideation when producing music, suggesting that spending too much time perfecting tracks can hinder productivity and creativity.
20:45 💡 The key to success in music production is quantity and consistency. Rather than obsessing over a single track, it's more effective to create multiple ideas, select the best ones, and finalize them.
21:53 🌎 DJ Chapter & Verse emphasizes the reality that most people, even in the music industry, won't recognize or know who you are. Staying grounded and understanding that only a fraction of the public is aware of your work is important.
29:55 🔊 When testing the potential success of content, DJ Chapter & Verse recommends using platforms like Twitter to gauge initial audience interest before promoting it on platforms like Instagram.
34:36 🎧 DJ Chapter & Verse discusses the challenges of DJing and the importance of adaptability during live shows, highlighting the need to carry enough music and adjusting the tempo based on the audience and venue.
38:23 🌍 DJs may feel like they're well-known, but in reality, most people outside the music industry don't recognize even famous DJs like David Guetta.
40:16 🏠 Building a home studio can be a game-changer for music producers, especially during times like the COVID-19 pandemic.
41:11 🎶 Consistency is crucial in music production; releasing tracks regularly can lead to unexpected success.
42:51 🚫 Bootlegs might not always be the best approach; it's essential to stick to your roots while experimenting occasionally.
45:43 🌐 The UK music market can be challenging to break into, even for established DJs and producers. It requires persistence and hard work.
Made with HARPA AI
🔬you think like me_love you bro_let's go_oh its made by AI_yea I have a robotic way of thinking for sure tho'
I'd add at 42:00, he notes that when you're releasing music, stick to the one genre that everybody knows you before. Make it big before experimenting.
Thanks!
Only managed to get 5 minutes in to this😵💫 Being given your first set warming up for a world famous headliner before you can properly DJ is insane 🤯
He's an insane human being all around. 😂
Connections 👄🍆
Yea this is pathetic and insulting to the craft. Posers used to be called out, not congratulated
5 mins in "so basically it's who you know not what you can do"
@@user-hajdiYes you need to network if you want to make it in the entertainment industry. It’s not a secret
I feel like the most important part of his story was glanced over.
How did he go from never producing music to getting signed and in beatport top 20 in hardly any time at all?
There was no overview of how he did this other than he went to master mind studios once a week.
The reality is most aspiring producers struggle with getting their sound good enough to be signed and would also totally bomb walking into their first DJ gig never touching CDJs. This interview left a taste of both DJing and getting signed are easy to do.
Wish we could have heard more about how he went about learning production so quickly.
Probably ghost producer!
At the start of the video he's talking about hanging out with people who are in the industry. Sure he must have some degree of skill in DJing, but if you know people who can get show bookings you're already way ahead of anybody else who has just started.
Ghost producer on every track that’s how mate
Industry plant like marshemello 🪴
Sure it is mad moves and fairplay. Think you may be missing the point though, he was chatting about not wanting to get signed and stay independent. I suppose enjoying the process and initially putting out everywhere to get booked
38, been producing since I was 13. Just now about to release music and start performing. Thank you for the video…grew up in a family of musicians so this is a pursuit that means a lot to my heart.
Dubstep, dnb, bass house, all heavy bass and high energy genres pretty much! Artist name is RANVAC.
Damn.. that’s lots of years you’ve got there, why haven’t you released music ever ?
I started producing at 30, now at 37 I’m competent and found my sound. Definitely felt my age coming into this field, glad to come to have come across this knowing it’s still possible
There's no age limit to music. GO FOR IT!!!
Never too old to do a Guetta and sniff some lines on the tables and smash some birds after
@@xgtwb6473sounds amazing
I’m with you brother. Inspiring story. Also early 40’s. Good luck!
How’d you learn?
Shocked by how confident he sounds about sounding different, guy sounds like every tech house sleeper dj ive ever heard.
Right? Lmfao. Love the character but his music is as generic tech house as it gets. Fucking wish I'll look as good as him at 40 though. Bro is youthful
100%. Dude's had industry contacts for years, definitely comes from money, and has one of the most generic, boring sounds in the industry. Every song the same etc. No hate though. He knows what will take him to where he wants to be and he's done that. Hope he continues to slay.
It's truly a pleasure to be working with Barry - he is a true genius! 🙏
Oh my … this guy is a legend and a personal idol of mine . Started mixing (at 39 !) a few months ago . I WILL be in the booth with this guy !!
Regardless of connections or luck, he has passion, and that’s all that matters.
I'm in my 40's and was just about to give up on my dream until THIS VIDEO. I can't thank you enough!!!
Go on!! DO it
Bottom line: DJing is about who you know.
100
yep.
It's not who you know... it's who knows you.
@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse Bruh...You literally said that the people forget the DJ didnt made the music they play 🤦♂You cant teach any lesson
Put this guy in front of some 1210s, and he won't have a clue. Took me at least 6 months to get consistent mixing and a lifetime to master. Technology took the spirit out of djing and now you got a bunch of fonies.
This is exactly what I'm going through right now! I'm turning 40 soon and have recently decided to be a DJ. So glad I found this video! Thanks for sharing your story. It's exactly what I needed.
I've been a DJ for 10+ years. Lemmie know if you have any questions. Gotta spread the knowledge.
@@VAMPZDJI would love to talk to you for a bit and pick your brain on djing, lmk!
@@SpacioooFor sure, what would you like to know?
best of luck in your journey, pal!
A very inspiring video ! Thank you Crossfader and Dj Chapter & Verse ! Am 47 & just finished my professional CDJ course ! Looking forward to shine in 2024 & beyond…
Thank you, Crossfader for this podcast! Thank you also Chapter & Verse for sharing your journey! Your story is very inspiring! I’m 51 years old and recently got back into DJing and putting out mixes. I had been bedroom producer for years, but couldn’t finish tracks, etc and gave up. Since coming back to this I’m determined now to make it at my age because I realize I love music and performing more than anything and this is what I want to do!! Thank you so much again for sharing your story!
sir, do you have real job? other than music?
@@ericbarata of course I have a job. All jobs are real because they are just jobs. FYI: Even music is a job. Why the need to minimize someone’s dreams with limiting beliefs?
@@djpapakuma i do music tho. but ppl keep telling me to have a real job 😂😭
@@ericbarata Many people will say get a real job, but like I mentioned all jobs are real including music. Keep doing what you want, and don't listen to people who do not understand. As long as you can live, pay bills, and be happy what does it matter. Now if the above is not the case and you are struggling to eat and pay bills then getting a job that isn't music to help is no shame. Just keep working on what you want to do! :)
@@ericbarataWhen people say this its usually because they don’t like their job or wish they could do something more enjoyable and are jealous. If you’re making money and are able to pay your bills then keep going - thats a job.
i'm early 40s. 3 years into producing. you give me hope it can happen Chapter & Verse.
and you're from the north of England like me. omg new hero!
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I'm only 25 and have always stressed about being so far behind people my age in this space, namely the dutch wizkids so this has been the most valuable podcast for me to date. Big up Chapter & Verse and yourselves, love the message and what you're doing here.
Saaame
Yeah 28 here too just starting but we have to remember were comparing ourselves to the biggest names ever so as long as you're not aiming to be the greatest that ever lived just keep going at it! Good luck
28 with a 8 month old feeling the same way, really appreciated what he had to say
Dude when you’re 40 you’ll be dreaming of being 25 and having all that time to accomplish your dreams. Stop listening to the voice in your head and do the work. You can do it.
Thank you both so much I'm near the 40 took it back up. Just brought some production gear and will have soon. Made me feel good about my decision.
unfortunatly i believe he is just proving the point that now a days to become a known dj you must pay a promoter or have contacts as he did, its very difficult now a days to become dj
I just started to DJ virtually during Covid. It’s a lot of hard work but totally worth it. Glad to see a quick success story! 🎉
Had the pleasure of hanging out with Barry a few times in Miami back in Feb and March for music week. This guy has the best energy and positive vibe and completely deserves all the success thats been happening for him
This was an uplifting reminder that it doesn't matter how old you are, as long as you have conviction and dedication, you can accomplish your goals.
Your sense of peace behind the decks and affection for the camera on your channel has always made my heart sing, particularly when I’ve lost the melody in my soul
It’s really refreshing to see someone in this position that is so down to earth, great interview.
I DMed C&V when he was already making some impact in the scene... super humble guy, gave me tips on music production and all that stuff. He has it all well fucking deserved!
this guy is a social media MARKETER with good contacts, anything but an artist
Id have to agree with you on that. I've looked at multiple companies offering dj courses online and everyone of them feels like I'm being sold on a personality instead of skills i can learn... or some bs "the only transition you'll ever need" or something like it... I was only able to find one live session of Chapter & Verse on RUclips playing live at a club... If i was going to spend $660 id expect more... or at least don't try to baffle them with your bs and name drops...
Never underestimate the power of networking, this guy is a master.
This guy is good at social media marketing knowing the right people. He comes across as someone skilled at blagging it.
THIS is one of BEST episodes…thank you C&V for sharing and Crossfader for sending 🙌🏽
This man is one of my most listened to artists ever. And I discovered him in the beginning of 2020. The tech house scene is changed and improved for good, forever.
In my opinion, DJing is best learnd on the Technics turntables 1200 with records. I started doing this in 1985. There was no digital technology at that time to count bars or prases. Or a sync button. There was no recommendation like you have in CDJs to play the next song. Everything back then was purely based on feeling and mastering the technique to master a turntable. The music that was pressed onto records did not run smoothly at all, so you had to constantly make adjustments during mixing. The intro and outrou of a song were sometimes extremely short. Nowadays you use the loop to mix in or out. I think it's nice for this gentleman that he can play in clubs later in life, but I have my doubts about his technique. He has just been very lucky because he knows the right people who grant him that.
Awesome chat fellas! Really enjoyed this
Learned more in this interview than in most videos about social media management i've seen until now. The key word is CONSISTENCY. Well done. Chapeau!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
My takeaway: it's all about who you know.
Exactly
%100 agree, been spinning since 1999 and it's always been like that.
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Always has been 💯💯 always will be
Yeah, he had pre-existing connections on the hype train. I also doubt he produces solo, maybe the face of the ghost, at least initially.
I'm 54 and trying to do the same thing but without the DJ-ing, did that in my early 20's! Great Interview...
He clearly had some industry contacts. But he has charisma and drive. All success to him.
Ah... here I am, at 42, considering getting back into the dj game. Once again, I'm reminded - it's still all about who you know. Didn't even need to watch more than the first few minutes. Thank you.
100% - Same, 42 - been DJing since late 90s (but gig free for quite a while) and this is about as depressing as videos get.
@djrobincooper pretty much the same. Haven't dj'ed since I left FL over 10 years ago. This video is such a sham. I mean, cool, good for him, but it's so misleading to the viewers.
Love this guy, style & humblest & geez refreshing to hear someone story starting when most people say it's too late. His taste in music is awesome, play his stuff & never knew his story. Inspiring...
massive respect but don't think he would have the same outcome/growth without support and contacts, great advice and mentality though
Very true. At the same time a big part of DJ'ing is networking. I'm 39 myself and only started learning about two years ago. Taking the leap is the scariest part, because obviously it's a very small chance we actually make it.
So anyway, I'm moving to Ibiza in November 😅
@@DamYea networking is everything, obviously you need be be talented/hardworking but its the connections and networking that get you places same with every industry
@@asono_djit truly is all about who you know. That being said, come groove to some of my house tracks 🎉😉
also the fact he pays for all his music to be made for him. Scott Lowe makes all his music. Helps if you have a big bank account. CV is just a blagger
This story came up through a friend and just in time as I started same year but in my late 40s ✌ Best of luck to both of you!
I am 31 and I thought it was late..... i love Chapter and Verse's music
Just shows, in the industry its all about who you know
step 0: Already know a bunch of headliners and pros who will teach you, give you equipment, and get you gigs.
well done mate! I am at my 40s and I started my new project like 1 and a half year back and now goes well.
There is so much missing from this "incredible" story. How did he learn to produce? Where did he get all his contacts from? How did he financially support himself during this journey?
Yep what gear has he in his studio ???
As a guy in my early 80s this has inspired me💪🏼
dont know there was much luck involved in this... this guy clearly knew multiple people in the industry and was around dance music. I guess fair enough, he is still a 40 year old that decided dj'ing looks easy, i'll give this a go... but he clearly knew about dance music and knew people in the industry... meaning once he learned the technical aspect of dj'ing everything else was an afterthought. I don't think his situation is comparable to most 40 year olds, who would not still be immersed in dance culture at Ibiza and have multiple DJ friends putting them on the up and up.
having said that... If you have always wanted to be in the industry... and you have friends that can put you on, maybe you should listen to this guys advice. Work hard, don't stop... and with a little luck your friends will put you on.
They also didn’t say how many cocks he sucked, maybe off camera…
4:40 Hurt my soul hearing that the man "worked for this guy, Dale, for 10 years" and he didn't get a solid support gig for a big artist. Meanwhile Chapter & Verse (all love) gets a very solid artist support slot as his first decent gig...Industry is weird man...
People in the comments saying "it's all about who you know" like that is the only contributing factor... Sure, it helps, and in this case there was a bit of luck involved as well, but there is no denying that this guy set his eyes on the prize and worked for it. He obviously works hard. 5 or 6 ideas in a day is nuts. 300 unreleased tunes us nuts. I found this interview super inspiring. Well done to Chapter and Verse. You put in the work, and are reaping the rewards.
Just came across this and I’m same age as when he first started learning to dj. Inspirational story. No matter who you know you still need to show.
I had never heard of you or your music until this video. It was great to hear your story, what a rapid rise you are having, fair play.Positive mindset!!!
Spreading the positivity. Love it
A lot of respect for you gentlemen! I’m happy this serves as proof that it is possible and it reinforces the concept of how much you really want it being directly proportional with how fast and well it will work out. The Force works in mysterious ways lol! Much love and health to all of you!
Well put
Respect
I have been making house & techno music on & off since 1998. As far as actual "DJing" goes, I have not done that in a long time. I have been focusing solely on production and trying to get my name out there. It has been impossible. There is so much marketing involved, money, etc... It is pretty clear that this guy has "friends" with connections. That is the only reason he is popular.
Where can I find your music?
Is your music good?
I guess this was beginner's / fools' luck with a ton of confidence.
Belief + constant practice + networking + studying others + steadfast consistency = results
Definitely
It can take years for the average joe
you gotta want it in order to get it, of course luck plays a part too, but very little
@@sadatkd It didn't happen to him overnight by the sound of it. Yeah he got there quicker than a lot of people but it sounds like he put the work in. I think everyone thinks they can be a producer or DJ, and some people just don't have the natural ability. No shame in that, and no harm in just doing it as a hobby if you enjoy it. I think you'll know if you've got potential to be good enough at it after a couple of years of hard work. It's not for everyone, which is why not everyone makes it.
@@hearmenow909 bro you do realise all he did was spend thousands on a world class ghost producer (called Scott Lowe) to make all his tracks for him - and still does. CV cant produce music. Also he's pretty well off anyway and spent a forutne on marketing. The only work he put in was digging into his pockets because he wanted to be a 'dj' overnight.
For me is how fast he learnt to produce pro quality tracks even more than DJing. Because that's the hardest part imo
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@@officialdreamrmusicyup! Ghost producer
The numbers game talk at 20:00 is so damn true for every industry.
The pros are always ahead because they do it full time, if you want to be a pro you have to treat it like a job and commit whenever you can.
Honestly, I have no fracken idea who either of you are, not a clue. I got here by mistake, clicked accidently cause my dog sat on my hand. Listened to the whole thing, though, very interesting story with a good deal of humor and a large load of humility, and humility is lacking in most people these days leaving them as just big loads. Congrats on the success, hope it continues. Still have no idea who you are.
This is so inspiring for me I am also 42 and have been trying to make it for 7 or 8 years now and this has made me want keep going thanks for this ❤
I love his passion. The passion for the vision. It's the best. What a legend!
Charming guy who was focussed and determined and already had a lot of connections with ppl who could get him gigs.
Wow I;m 42 and just bought my first DDJ FLX4, enjoying it so far! Great community
start producing
In most cases, it's about who you know.
This guy simply knew shit loads of people and was beyond lucky
I really, really, really hate what tech house has done to tech house
Great interview. Barry(?) seems like such a sound bloke and absolutely works hard, so deserves every success. His production is top notch and clearly constructs tracks really well. The only negative thing I have to say is that calling this music tech house is a travesty and an insult to the real tech house producers such as Terry Francis, Nathan Coles (RIP), Eddie Richards, Mr. C, Gideon Jackson etc.
it’s not a criticism of Barry personally, but a lot of people put their whole lives into delivering a true art form, only for it to be hijacked by profiteers looking for a new way to package their bullshit.
I’ll save everyone time on this whole thing…
It’s all about who you know
never to late to start dj, never to late to let you come there where music brings you ....
Having been a DJ for 20 plus years and now I'm 40 and feeling the urge again... this makes me happy.
the genres and top 100 playlists are great in beatport. everything is organised and its easy to find banging remixes
Very helpful. Cheers mates. Be seeing you soon.
Absolute legend, all this helped so much. I often get overwhelmed and lost when I think about my path as a dj, hearing this was very relieving 🙌
Most people get into decks cos they love the whole mixing thing, back before it was technics on vinyl and thru the years move with the times to cdj and controller. But this era people want to dj just to be famous. I’m 37 and had decks about 25 year it’s the best hobby to get into as a youngster.
This is the first RUclips record I’m pitching down. As a retired analog DJ, I’d guess this is easily 180 words per minute.
Incidentally, I pro DJ’d for ~10 years (85-95) and have tried to produce a track since that time and cannot. It’s not as easy as everyone thinks. I’m jealous.
I swear I typed this before the BPM discussion.
Funny.
Love the job you guys doing. I'm so inspired by all free lessons and tricks you teach us and these episodes especially with this legend, are so inspirational! I only started an year ago at 28 and I thought I woke up too late to pursue this passion but now you guys motivated me so much. I don't know what is the real DJ world yet, but comparing to others the community in general seems everywhere so keen to help eachother to grow even though there are millions of dj around the world and it seems fantastic. Anyway, this man is an absolute icon! Thanks for all the work you guys put in it and keep well! 🙏❤️
Loz, well done! This was class, majorly inspirational and so honest!! Sick!!!
Thanks Martin mate. Hope your good!
Very humble Guy and deserves everything and works his arse off 👊
Couldn't agree more
Damnnn i m early 30ish and i started making music in 28 i was thinking i m little late but i am hopefull. This give me a moral boost. Thanks mann i will do it for sure .
How inspirational. Barry's the man with a numbers plan 👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥bless up mate. Thanks crossfader 👍
Nice one, Dave!
Great true story. Thank you for sharing it. Also, thank you very much for the great tips you gave on your experiences in this industry. Much respect!!!
All you gotta do is win the NBA championship a few times and you get to play the main stage ("DJ" Diesel)
Shaq has actually been active in the bass scene for over 35 years, he actually seems very passionate about DJ'ing so he's one of the only celebrity DJs that gets a pass imo.
10:40 A lot of people in the industry get caught up signing poor deals like this, which work out into the labels favour. And if it does become successful then it's very difficult later to recoup the costs. For great advise, listen to Judge Jules podcast with Celeb Savant. Jules would also make a great guest here speaking more about this subject 😀
This was a very inspiring interview! I'm in the same point in life as Chapter & Verse aka just turned 40, but have learned DJing and music production in the past few years in my 30s. Covid hit and then I ended up taking a break from all of the DJing / music stuff. But I've come back again, and am hoping to put double the effort from last time and hopefully get some recognition this time around! I've recently uploaded a new mixtrack on my channel, maybe some of you might enjoy listening to it!
Nice to hear.. drive passion persistance littlebit of talent and prob lots of social skills (energy like you say) and adjust, calibrate microcalibrate.. but doing it because of the first two (drive passion).. Im on my way, be ready :D (I'm 48)
Love the strategic approach he had for building up his project
Fake it till you make it right here. Good stuff. Imagine learning on some CDJ nexus though 😂
There are guys out there who are bedroom DJs… but also largely bedroom listeners. That is, they’re not physically part of any kind of music scene.
Thousands of people can work a set of decks. Some have great musical taste too. Some can knock up a great house tune on a DAW. But if you’re not out there making connections with promoters and industry people, how would you wind up a DJ?
Listening to this guy, he’s a hard working self-promoter. That’s, what, 80% of it?
I've been listening his music for 2 years and I didn't know that he started at his late 30s.
And nice podcast, very entertaining!
I really needed this interview, and at this point, I’m probably going to get the Pioneer DDJ 800 in 2024 because of its price.
Props to Chapter and Verse for making it happen! However, it still makes me wince how the big DJs are all doing this EDM, Techy House sound. The masses seem to like that commercial sound... big noises, simple leads, crappy bass lines with zero swing, hollow non-emotional breaks... I can't stand it. Makes me wanna hurl.
But hey, he made it happen! Respect!
You completely missed that the most important wasn't what you learned or the time you did it on the beginning, but only the people that you knew. Is all about the people that you know... nothing else.