Steve Rosen - Edward Van Halen on "Women And Children First" - December 1979 - (Part 1)
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- I’ve recently unearthed this vintage interview I conducted with the late, great Edward Van Halen.
These tapes were the basis for Chapter Eight: “Women and Children but First the ‘Bursts (December 13th-17th, 1979) in my new book TONECHASER: UNDERSTANDING EDWARD - MY 26- YEAR JOURNEY WITH EDWARD VAN HALEN”.
For those interested in “TONECHASER” please check my Instagram account ( / steve.rosen.guitar.picks ) and my first pinned post-with full directions on how to buy-as well as the link in my Instagram bio, as well (linktr.ee/stev....
Still have questions regarding ordering the book? Please email at me scrosen@sbcglobal.net and I’ll get back to you fellow Tonechasers with a reply. Thanks so much. - Steve
My Favorite album, not just VH, of ALL TIME!
top 2 for me too
Fair Warning
WACF
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@@mikeymojo8299 Fair Warning was a much DARKER album wasn't it ? ...I don't think Women & Children First could sound that 'dark' because it just had too much COMEDY in it..lol.....Like the looney slide guitar in 'Could This Be Magic', or the bonkers fast high singing in 'Loss Of Control,',,,& the Tarzan Sounds in Everybody Wants Some ...llol🤣😂
@@mikeymojo8299 In another interview Ed said that at the end of 'Could This Be Magic' they were thinking of putting in a COW going 'Moo' ...lol....But they nixed the idea & put in the sound of Rain instead.....lol
It's a perfect album...
@@mikeymojo8299right on!!!! Wacf fair warning 1 and 2 are 4 perfect albums
This proves tone is in your fingers...no pedals, no marshal stacks, no exotic configurations of any kind and he sounds like Eddie. We can all save some money now and stop shopping on reverb and sweetwater.
You must have really loud fingers
I get what you’re saying. There is an interview from Rosen a year prior. Right before VH2 is released. He’s playing a Strat with no amp, or a very low clean volume and without a doubt it if you didn’t know who it was you’d know it’s him. Hard to explain but he is correct it’s in the hands of
He caught the Clap from Carol the waitress at The Whisky!😂
great to listen to early Ed unplugged...amazingly funky.
more off these please Steve !!!
#EVH4ever 👑
Historic gold! Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for sharing Steve , I had the pleasure to see the event in live concert, Van Halen June 6 , 1979 .
This is like Ed jamming in your living room. Bravo!
Magnificent jem. Just shows his tone is in his hands, like it is supposed to be with great musicians. Thanks for sharing Steve ;-)
The Riff Ed plays at the beginning was similar to the type of riff he jammed with Allan Holdsworth at the Musicians Institute in California in 1983 as Jazz/rock fusion. but this is like a preview of it three years earlier. So interesting to hear Ed play to Steven not just then current ideas in WACF but stuff that never made it to the official album. .....Its wonderful to hear how precise Ed's rhythm playing is when unamplified his hands still makes the strings sing like a bell. The PAUSES in Romeo Delight are a little bit similar to War Pigs refrains, Steven is right, I can kind of hear that.Though it was a total VH song..With those harmonic intro taps. Interestingly those taps Wolf would be playing live on the bass in an interlude section an octave lower on BASS in 2007-2008 tour......Love these conversations recorded back then...showing Ed's mindset at the time he was creating all this stuff. ❤💥👍👍
Thank you kind sir for posting this, and for that autographed pick! ;)
"War Pigs" vs. "Romeo Delight" at 6:05. Simply amazing how he nailed it within seconds.
Thank for posting this for all of us Van Halen fans. This was an amazing album as they all were to me. You were blessed to be able to talk with and interview EVH in the raw basically unplugged before it became a thing. Even without an amp you can still hear how different he sounded from other guitarists. Then plugged in you were in a private demo session that must have been incredible. It sounds like was basically showing you a private lesson
Thanks Steve! Ive been reading your all your guitar interviews/articles since 1978, Great Job!
Brilliant Steve - thank you so much for this - on my second reading of Tonechaser - I have just landed at this interview. I still would love the hear the song that you jammed on with Edward. What fabulous happy memories.
Thanks Steve! Such a special time capsule. xoxo
These interviews are gold, they are a great listen while working from home thanks for uploaded these dude :)
The book is awesome. But being able to hear part of the interviews as well as Eddie's voice and playing is just incredible. 🥰
Thanks a lot Steven.
When that flanged Rhodes takes off at the beginning on Women and Children First it was like fuhghetaboutit. I would go home from school and eat lunch and listen to it on.the family stereo.
What a gift you gave us Steve! WACF being also my favourite VH album... 💥 These interviews are so amazing, it feels like being right back then... goosebumps all the way through. Thank you ever so much for sharing them! 🙏🏻 Long Live The Memory & Legacy of Our King! ❤️🤍🖤
this was almost 3 months before WACF released...Ed was 24 & still living with his parents.
21:15 - sounds like they're talking about a ZZ Top song? Maniac Mechanic?
31:00 - Ed's interesting take on taking care of your body & brain...he had relatively OK health for smoking, drugging & drinking until 45 then his next 20 years were rough.
36:20 - Ed talks about painting the Frank red for 1st time?
40:20 - if the guitar thing didn't work out, Ed had another career possibly as a financial advisor!
WACF and FW are in MO, the best tone Eddie ever got. Both of them are killer albums.
Definitely a lot warmer compared to the first two records.
Awesome Steve !! Thanks once again for posting !!
Unbelievable thank you for sharing I cannot imagine Edward sitting down and playing in my living room. This is golden ❤❤❤
Thanks Steve! Awesome interview.
Love this stuff!!! Thanks for sharing
I remember opening presents and getting this album, "Woman & Children First", along with Black Sabbath's "Never Say Die!", for Christmas eve, when I was six or seven years old, and let me tell ya, that was maybe my greatest Christmas eve, ever! These records never left my sears and roebucks record player! Thanks for all of the great work through the years, Steve!
Crazy how this is from 1979! Seems like a lot of those licks and riffs came out on later albums. Really cool!
1:04 Unreleased song (1)
1:53 Redzone
3:52 Romeo Delight
9:18 Romeo Delight intro
12:13 Lead playing
12:37 Unreleased song (2)
14:06 Show No Mercy (intro)
14:18 Lead playing
15:40
6:50 Discussion about the Bursts
14:58 Amp discussion
I believe between Van Halen 2 and Women and Children First are the 2 albums that finally killed Disco on the radio 📻 thank you Eddie thank you very much
Red Zone is no doubt Act Like it Hurts, the demo of which is readily available on RUclips these days...awesome.
Thank you for putting this up.
Im learning soooo much from this interview
Thanks for preserving history..King Edward waste best..VH Forever
This album, W&CFirst, is so organic, sounds totally live, has tons of quirks, fresh and challenging to the human if not rockers ear. If you've never sat down and studied it you have no idea how far hard rock goes, further than punk;) new wave or grunge. An amazing piece of work.
THANKS so much for this Steven ! 👍👍👍👍👍
Awesome Book! Thanks for sharing your stories!🎸
WACF is my favorite Van Halen album, or tied with the first album. I love the ZZ Top influence, the live feel, and the intensity. After VHII, a great album but light in some places, I liked that they went for a more in your face and intense feel. Some people say Fair Warning is heavier. EVH used drop D which sounds heavy, but IMO WACF overall is VH’s heaviest record. Also to me, Everybody Wants Some is the definitive Van Halen song. It’s the one I associate the most with Van Halen. It’s great live. Romeo’s Delight is one of their best live songs. It’s great back to back with Unchained live. The trio of And The Cradle Will Rock, Everybody Wants Some, and Take Your Whisky Home, are such iconic VH songs. Fools has a great heavy boogie feel. Tora Tora is a great heavy intro to Loss of Control. And In a Simple Rhyme is a one of the best songs on the album and a great way to close the record. Just my opinion.
Nice to see you again, Steve.
And he demos a never-heard-before song called "Red Zone". At least, I've never heard it before... My guess, the song was ready to go, just not put on the album. There's got to be a ton of these songs, as most musicians record more than they actually need, then par it down to the 10 best songs. Also, he demo'd about three or four songs that I have never heard before or since, in a previous interview. I hope someone is keeping track of all this. He played enough of these songs that they could be recreated. How many lost songs are there? Who knows, but I bet enough for another 2 or 3 albums. It might be time to start collating this material, as it will eventually get lost. Somebody should take a hard look at all non-released material and start the process of cataloging / digitizing. Tapes do not last forever.
Wolfie, you out there?
This is my favorite interview so far - hearing him play the guitar while he talks about the music is as good as it gets! (The only thing better woulda been if it had been filmed!) Great job Steve Rosen - it sounds like you really got Ed to come out of his shell and just talk about the music in the most down to earth way. Thanks so much for making these available to the fans - this is the kind of "bonus material" we've been thirsting for all along!!
I bought the book $40. No dust jacket, that wasn’t cool.
I’m glad I bought it.
I’m reading along with the audio
So cool to hear a 24 year old EVH ✌🏻
I prefer the way the cover of the actual book was done without a dust jacket. Those things are always a pain in the ass…you have to take them off to read comfortably, they get torn…more a nuisance than anything else.
When ED played in a house particular guitar ideas with an amp turned loud it must have been funny for next door neighbors particularly those into rock. They would hear the same stuff on the Finished record later on the radio & they would go - 'HANG ON ?🤔 DIDN'T I HEAR THIS NEXT DOOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO' ?? 🤔🤨🤨🤨😆
Dwain Eddie (King of Twang Guitar) that Steve mentions to our ED was actually said to have influenced the classical composer ENNIO MORRECONE who composed the music for those 1960s Spaghetti Westerns.
I have really come to appreciate modern technology. This recording sounds like it was done at the bottom of the swimming pool.
Yea hard to believe audio from a analog tape recorded on a cassette recorder 43 yrs ago doesnt sound good today. Especially when ya take into consideration how many times over the yrs it was probably rewound and forwarded
This is awesome ✌️
This was awesome Steve! See you at NAMM!
Your book is awesome.
Ohhh wow this is definitely Great!
Thank you Mr. Rosen
Beautiful stuff
I’m lovin these, thanks Steve
At 14:11 you hear Take Me Back (Deja Vu) from the Balance album. Very cool.
that shit he's playing at the very beginning is funky af! Guess that never came out, I don't recognize it...?
"Red Zone" is a great unreleased =VH= instrumental track.
WOW
Edward sounds so funky when he's not playing through an amp 🎸
Rosen, in 1979 preaching the gospel about norms “rare” guitar business and absolutely ahead of that greedy scam! If only he’d stopped it.
Romeo Delight, was the opener song on that tour, 80. So Bad Ass!
Great book by the way, wish that your words or the Edwards words were in italics or bold so we could tell who is who, sometimes it was hard to tell.
Did Ed ever meet or jam with Stevie Ray Vaughan? Or Uli Jon Roth.... I know he knew Randy Hansen.
He never met Stevie Ray or Uli. No one outside of Texas knew who Stevie was until 1983 at best. Uli was never popular or well known in the U.S. Eddie was in a completely different circle by that time. Eddie was friendly with The Scorpions by the mid to late 80s which was long after Uli left.
I used to love those Tigermilk bars too-19:00 mark.
If you ever wanted to feel like you were just hanging with Eddie….listen.
Yep its awesome I'm just like a fly on the wall...So many great hour long Interviews have emerged within the last few years..
14:10 Take me Back Deja vu
SWEET JESUS!!
eddie like 'manic to manic'? iggy pop? i have the volume full blast, earphones. Anyone transcribe this?
Women & Children first is slightly more special to me than any of the others ............ cant pinpoint why but it is the one that really takes me right back to 1980 AND to my ears it doesnt have all that much tapping on it. Plus ....... Loss of Control, the main riff, imo was THE first thrash metal riff ever recorded.
The first song eddie was playing is on a bunch of bootlegs and a great song at that
Damnit Steve! If I buy the book wherever you tell me too....will you email me a pdf or kindle version?
My eyesight is going to shit!
This would've been a day one purchase.
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Some of the tone is in your hands. Some of it is in the speakers, the cabinet, the pick-ups, the pick, the fret board, the neck, the strings/gauge, the guitar as a whole. A lot of it is in the amp! It's in the head, in the tubes you use, the pedals you use.
I always hear most everyone say it's all in your hands. That's simply BS. EVH probably played guitar for at least 100 HRS per week for years of his life. He use to play five 45 min sets for 5/6 nights per week. When he wasn't doing that he would be playing by himself in his room.
Still, he kept changing out amps and searching for new amps. He would get amps modified. He would do whatever he could to get a different tone, anyone remember the variac?
We constantly had a first hand account straight from the man himself that tones doesn't equal hands! If it did then why did he waste so much time chasing tone?
Tone starts with the pick in your hand and travels through your attack and comes out of the speaker. Everything between that pick/hand attack and the speaker changes/produces the tone. It's a package deal guys. Not a 1 thing is responsible.
Steve, was all of this done with his main guitar in front of you?
And have you handled that guitar?
Some who have handled it said it isn’t that heavy. More like an average weight.
Thanks for all the great memories!
Cheers
What did he think of Al Dimeola?
Funny to hear all the beer cans being opened. Unless they were drinking Cokes..
Was Ed close to Nealonious Schon?
from what I read, yes - friends w Schon, no to jamming / meeting SRV but Im sure he met Uli some point & was prob a fan as he was a fan of most of the great players from the 70s.. I think he met a bunch of guys in LA as they would come thru before VH1 was even released. thats how he met Blackmore & Bonham - both told him to F off
i cant really tell whats happening , very distorted & toned down,often but not all the time.
Sounds like Sabbath??? Watcha smokin? Even Ed said No one tiny part
Plug that guitar into an amp!!!
Awesome listen Thanks Mr Rosen 😎🤘