My Portuguese speaking friends call him "The enemy of life". I think that has more to do with the fascism connection and his treatment of the native population though.
@@victorviterbo3952 I hope this doesn't distract you from the fact that communism killed millions [Holodomor, Great leap forward, reign of terror, war crimes on Eastern Europe (particularly rape), khmer rouge]
It's important to say that the judge in question, Moro, was declared a national icon/hero for the Brazilian right, which could have raised demand for him to be nominated ministre of justice. There's no evidence to point to some kind of collusion there. Also, legal experts affirm that Lula's conviction will likely not be overturned if tried again
In other words, being partial, which is not in the field of legality in Brazil. It's also important to add evidence to this fact, like the messages collected from Moro and other prosecutors among themselves and the public ministry, which comes in direct collaboration with the partiality charges.
@@loukurasdoarthur The fact that he is part of the far right combined with hundreds of thousands of leaked messages of him advising the prosecution on what exactly to tell him so that he could convict him more easily paint a rather damning picture of the motivation of the conviction. This seems to be a clearly political prosecution, at the very least Moro should never have been close to this case, he clearly wanted Lula gone for political reasons which prevents a fair judgement.
5:54 - while Levi do Amaral is sort of an attourney-general, he's from a different branch altogether, that does not deal with prosecution. In Brazil, the attourney-general and the prosecutor-general functions are carried out by different bodies. Augusto Aras would be the name you're looking for ;-)
I think the term for Levi's office in English would be Solicitor General, he defends the government in court not prosecutes people for crimes. Edit: corrected the term
Great video you guys! As a Brazilian, I always love seeing local news being covered by world media, and I would love to see you guys delve a little bit deeper into the wormhole, 'cause this video is just scratching the surface of this whole ordeal.
the video is already complicated enough without The Intercept debacle and the whole Moro's fall from grace... but to be honest I don't think anyone outside The Madness could understand how it feels...
Oh, as Brazilian, I have to say that you forgot one most important detail. The judge who judged Lula became one of the State's Minister of Bolsonaro and it was revealed that there were conversations, help and other illegal acts between the judge, Moro, and the persecution. The judge released illegal recorded conversations that nothing had about the corruption, but put the public opinion against Lula and the Workers' Party. There are many other things that you should have added there to make the information more complete.
But you forgot to say that it those conversations are illegal evidence, could be taken out of context and even edited. They didn't forget anything, as this is an interpretation loop hole summarised as "didn't have jurisdiction". You have to remember this is a neutral channel, and a 10 min vídeo.
@@gorebello well, if the conversations happened, they were illegal and shows how biased the judge was. And according to the law, illegal evidence can be used by the defense, no matter who's the person they are defending.
@@justanotheremptychannel2472 Even I, who did not vote for Bolsonaro, recognize that Lula is corrupt and that Bolsonaro appointed Judge Sergio Moro as Minister of Justice because he was someone who knew the industry and was very famous for the Car Wash operation; I have been watching Bolsonaro and I realized that he put to work with him who seemed to understand the subject as an example of this, the Minister of Science and Technology who is a Brazilian astronaut and has done missions at NASA. Second, Lula was freed from prison and from corruption charges because Supreme Court ministers were strategically placed by the Workers' Party. When the Workers' Party was seeing its multi-year "reign" being overthrown, Bolsonaro mysteriously suffered an assassination attempt. In my opinion, Bolsonaro is in the middle of a totally rotten and corrupted system. I who thought he was crazy in the past, today I have rethought a lot about it because today I think he is really crazy, but for having entered this in the middle of this "nest of snakes" that is this Brazilian and world political scenario.
@@GuilhermeSantos-ey2ll funny how the "assassination attempt" was freed and he neither questioned or tried to put it to judgement again with a 'recurso'
@@guerrasetratados the war wouldn't be over for a long time if the bombs hadn't been dropped. Very few in continental Asia cried when Hiroshima and Nagazaqui were nuked.
There is a lot of info missing here. But one of the most important is: the judge that sentenced lula just before election is the same that bolsonaro chose to be the justice minister. This same judge is now being investigated for selling out sentence.
That's some selective info to bring up. i have one too: Ciro, the second most popular left-wing candidate in 2018, was projected to win against Bolsonaro. Lula refused to support him and continued to force the workers party's candidate despite their extremely weakened image. And that made people vote for Bolsonaro without even liking him, just so Lula's party wouldn't be back. Now, 250 thousand people have died due to Bolsonaro's incompetente in handling the pandemic, all because Lula's party couldn't join forces with other leftist candidates against the alt-right threat.
@@gogobrasil7185 That's minor info in my opinion. I can understand why they would left it out of this 9 min. While I agree that PT - and possibly Lula - were power hungry in the 2018 election, I think it's a big logic jump to blame then for what happened. While I would love to see the Brazilian Left all united, I see it as a dream, as it is virtually everywhere else in the world. While I agree there are a lot of things that unite the Left, there's also a lot of disagreeance, mainly when it comes to economy, how much the State should control the economy, etc... And lastly we're talking about Politics. I also would love to see politicians really representing who elected them that's not real life. Every one of them have their own agenda and who they want to benefit to remain in power. Politics is a cynics game, vote to whom you think need you to remain in power, not in your washed image of savior.
@@MarcosWilliandaSilva I understand not mentioning it but it's worth knowing about. I blame them for their strategy, a strategy that heavily favored Bolsonaro, which eventually led to the deaths. It was so avoidable. Everybody knew they were weakened and that other candidates had a better chance at it. I mean, even before the deaths, we knew Bolsonaro was bad. He was openly prejudiced against minorities. That should be enough for the leftist candidates to put their differences aside and fight for a better outcome. Politicians representing us is not the reality, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for it. Doesn't mean we should give up and let them do whatever they want.
It's important to notice that as of yesterday, Brazil's Supreme Court ruled that the judge who presided over Lula's trial was biased against him. The former judge Sergio Moro was found to have tapped Lula's attorney phones, accepted a job in Bolsonaro's cabinet as justice minister among other serious charges. If you're interested on this matter you can check out Vaza Jato, a report by The Intercept on how the Lava Jato operation worked and how the judge worked with the prosecutors for political and economic reasons
5:04 - Minor mistake: You said "top electoral court" which is the TSE - Tribunal Superior Eleitoral. However, you showed the supreme court (STF - Supremo Tribunal Federal) logo.
As a brazilian who used to enjoy politics, I voted against Lula and his party in every single election since I was old enough to vote in the mid 2000s. Well, appart for 2018, were I voted for PT for the first (and hopefully only) time in my life, just to try and stop Bolsonaro. I always thought I was a center-right guy. But two things should be mentioned here: Firstly, Lula's first government was in fact good, not gonna lie. I just thought it could be better, hence I voted against him. Secondly, although I don't belive he is innocent of some of the charges, as someone who has a law degree I must say his judgment was kinda rigged, yes. The judge of the case became Bolsonaro's Justice Minister, ffs. But the thing is: If I have to choose between Lula, who I think is corrupt, and Bolsonaro, who is a completely helpless imbecile and a fucking clown, who put all his sons into politics to work like a little mafia family of alt-right blind militants... Honestly, I would go with Lula all the freaking way. At least he doesn't deny the existence of the pandemic. Bolsonaro is a less-capable Trump with way too much access to social media.
Dude I really really don't want neither, Bolsonaro also killed car wash, wich show that he is deep into shit, but lula in the world cope show that he didn't care for health cause soccer was more important, my dude doesn't even know how to write how that became our president? And Dilma another dumb dumb ass
Congratulations for this vídeo. I am a Brazilian who follows Brazilian politics since 1984 and think you have made and excellent job in the 10 minutes available
Hahah idk if u guys know this but the beach house pic you showed actually belongs to the Marinho Family and was illegally built in a nature reserve close to Rio. Funny because this family owns Rede Globo and therefore were major players in giving operation car wash its huge media coverage
As Brazilian I'm just trying to not think in this terrible scenario that we are living. Both candidates are very corrupt and unfit for the job. It's a nightmare, and for me Brazil is almost over, corruption and miss management reigns in this country.
As a fellow Brazilian, I totally get you, I would any time take Lula over Bolsonaro, but neither is my candidate. With that said, I really think it petty to care that much about corruption when we love in a country where people are starving and thousands die each and every day due to covid, and yet the federal government refused 70 million doses from the Pfizer vaccine.
@@arthurmotafurtado6767 pfizer is making really dodgy deals with every government they deal with. E.g military bases as collateral against being sued. I'm not saying trust your gov, but definitely don't trust these companies. We are guinea pigs and they know it
@@gavinhill3164 It wasn't only Pfizer thought. And he didn't even answer the offer, and straight up refused two times the Coronavac (a vaccine being produzed in Brazil, that was tested in Brazil) just because it is a Chinese technology. He said that vaccine companies should reach out for him instead of him reaching out for them to buy, and said that he would buy after because "it's too expensive now".
Of course clean state law should be generalized as long as the justice is independent from the legislative and executive. Otherwise it will be manipulated to prevent opponents from running. Not sure what to think about Lula... but however bad he is, I don't think Bolsonaro is better...
No elected president in the world is worse than Bolsonaro. I can't think of anyone who goes out of their way to increase the number of deaths by covid in their own country
The thing us brazilians need to understand is that not Lula nor Bolsonaro (or their parties) can fix our country, but cooperation between the parties and long term planning would.
Just a correction: what I think you're thinking of when you read "mechanical car wash" is not what is commonly used in Brazil to wash cars. It is common for the car to be washed "manually" (by a person with a hose) and for this to be called "lava jato". A "jato" of water would be the "flow" of the water (the "squirt") from the hose in the direction of the war -- it is also a pun with "a jato", which means "very quick"
Whether or not you like Lula his trial was a sham and the judge that sentenced him went on to work in the administration of Bolsonaro, who wouldn’t have won if Lula was out. The edge of democracy is a great documentary for people not familiar with the situation leading up to Bolsonaro being elected.
the edge of democracy is a lying documentary, which ignored the corruption schemes of the PT and the horrible administration of the dilma government. Although Lula has to have the right to run, he is a corrupt bum.
You kidding me right? This documentary is completely bias towards Lula and what ?should we just ignore the billions that his government stole? If he didn’t know what was happening in his own party he is not fitted to be president as a president has to be aware of billions being diverted by his own party. If he knew but did not get involved he should be persecuted for passive corruption and the more likely of the 3 he knew and benefited from it.
As a Brazilian I'm very glad you're covering this! I watched the entire brexit process with you guys, and all I could think was that I wished someone would cover politics here the same way you guys did in the UK. The video itself was very good and properly unbiased, despite how easy it is to just side with Lula because he's not Bolsonaro. It's a really nuanced topic due to the fact that if you criticize Lula, it'll look like you're in turn supporting Bolsonaro, which is not necessarily true. Lula isn't a good option for Brazil. He isn't our Biden. He's very, very likely guilty of corruption. The hate for this very corruption massively boosted Bolsonaro's support. I can tell you first hand how many people I know voted Bolsonaro just so Lula's party wouldn't be back. And worst of all, knowing that their image was extremely damaged, they insisted on running in 2018, and overshadowed another left-wing candidate that had much better chances of winning. It's one of many instances of their attempts to supress their leftist colleagues. Personally, I'm a severe critic of both of them. Bolsonaro is the worst one, no doubts, but Lula and his party are egostitical, extremely shady opportunists. If you're a foreigner and you're against Bolsonaro's alt-right ideas, don't fall into the trap of supporting Lula for that. There are much better options for our contry that aren't as divisive nor shady and really need the support.
What concerns me most with Brazil is how their country contains the largest rainforest in the world and Bolsanaro is just letting it burn. To all Brazilians out there, right-wing populism doesn't work and never will, Trump was the worst president we have had in the last 100 years (with George W Bush closely behind), to the point where people actually voted for Joe Biden.
I don´t think you know much about Joe Biden haha I agree with pretty much everything you said, but just one thing to point out - A lot of people voted for Bolsonaro as a anti-PT vote, but that was in 2018, when Bolsonaro was just a nobody with hatred in his eyes (and the people wanted hate), now it's a completely different situation, he is the president, he did nothing to help the people and everything to make our lives worse. The people that voted for the Anti-PT man don't support him anymore, his only base is the far-right populists (which sadly is not a small group, but it's not enough to win an election), while PT might have a lot of corruption charges but it also represents the nostalgia of better days, when Brazil was as big as it has always been promised but never delivered, and it's very hard to win against nostalgia.
I know absolutely nothing about brasill so please excuse me if im wrong. But didnt your country have like a 500% economic growth under Lula? Again i just heard that and im not good informed. Just wa to know if thats true or not
Not only was Petrobras involved in the scheme, but also major construction corporations such as: Odebrecht, OAS, Camargo y Correa to name a few. Also the scandal reached all the corners of LATAM.
Someone help me out here. Did Lula commit a crime? Was he unfairly arrested/charged? Cos our former president Zuma is super corrupt and uses Lula's imprisonment as an example of unfair prosecution, and says he's being treated unfairly too.
Maybe TLDR could do a story on Zuma (currently facing a prison sentence for contempt and on trial for corruption) and Ramaphosa(SA's current president) and their political battles.
This is an old comment and I don't know if you're still interested but just like SA (and everywhere else, really) it's more complex than "Did Lula commit a crime?"... Politics are quite a dirty game, I'm sure you know, and the due proccess of law did get thrown out of the window in Lula's lawsuit. The judge became Bolsonaro's minister after he won the election - quite serious business. Having said that, it doesn't mean that the allegations against Lula are completely unfounded, but it means that we just don't really know. If you don't trust the judge and the proccess, how will the merit be trusted?
@@Schweizer_Politik Economic growth doesn't stop corruption scandals. His whole government was associated with bribes and investigations with the state-owned oil companies. Billions of dollars were lost.
@@Gabowsk ok this is just my own weird opinion. But aslong as the economie booms and the peoples lives improve. I dont care how corrupt the guy is aslong as it works. But yeah thats just my weird me The only thing i want from the brazill election is, that somebody is voted in that doesent destroy the amazon
@@Schweizer_Politik Dilma was Lula's direct successor and we had a recession in her government, what Lula built went down and it was the same government, and there was no pandemic back then.
This video shows how badly informed are UK resident's about what is going on in South America... The media here does not pay much of attention to the region and when they do, they do it with a condescending colonialist look. I like TLDR guys, but this video research was a very poorly done... Not mentioning the details of Lula''s case, the role of Petrobras for more than 30 years, who is Sergio Moro, the judge who prosecuted Lula... Very sad, I see this not only here... The Guardian even weight themselves as neutral while reporting a coup in Bolivia by the far right...
House of cards got nothing on Brazilian real life politics. We have a federal deputy who's allegedly killed her own husband who is also her adopted son and ex son-in-law, Hollywood could never come up with a plot that convoluted haha.
You should explain ex- Judge Sergio Moro and the charges that he has put on Lula. The Legal process didn't included proves, Lula don't own the apartment and he was makita political favors after he has left the Presidency (wtf). Besides that, Lula was Bolsonaro main rival in the presidential race and the judge looked Lula up and after the election accepted the nomination to become Justice Minester in Bolsonaro's government.
@@FOLIPE The law is very good, the problem is the people that enforce it, as what happened in Lava Jato with the partilality of the operation, and the involvement of the judge with the prosecutors
Lula actually believes in climate change and wants to protect the Amazon and provide sustainable jobs to Brazilians. He’s not perfect but I hope he wins.
He is a bad candidate. But he is way, WAY better than Bolsonaro. Sure, he may be super corrupt, but at least he is not a climate change denying proto fascist. The brazilians should go for a third candidate, but between these two, Lula is the better deal.
it's a british colloquialism i think. i've always thought it was strange but i've also seen the language used in the Economist. I guess it's correct over there
The cean state laws are a wonderful idea, in my opinion at least, makes it much easier to punish corrupt politicians and makes them hopefuly less likly to take bribes. As a critic on teh cideo though, I would have liked a more comprehensive policy break down at least in general where the two differ and what is expected of teh current president to do in his bid for relelection.
I do understand the importance of the Amazon Rainforst, but people outside of Brazil needs to understand, the Amazon rainforst it's the least of our concerns right now. Brazil is now responsible for 25% of deaths by the coronavirus in 24hs (and it has been like that for at least a week) and we only have 3% of the population. Brazil has 14 Milion people unemployed with many more underenployed, and this situation is not new (3 years at least, but you could claim 6 and it wouldnt be totally wrong), and there's zero polititcs to aliviate the economy and the people diyng of starvation right now. The congress is doing what it can to help but everything has to pass through the president AND the congress is not exactly a progressive, people loving, as it should be in a situation like this.
I have no idea what the implications are on a domestic level. However, there appear to be serious implications for the BRICS project. Brazil, India and South Africa now have leaders taking those countries back towards the west. Putin and Xi are the last men standing (no surprises there). If Bolsonaro and Ramaphosa (South Africa) get the boot in the next two years, the picture will be significantly altered. I think China and Russia have given up on Modi and India anyway. That looks like it has passed a point of no return.
The trial, the timeframe, court, the cause of lulas arrest are political motivation, even the evidence is shallow as a it can be. The corruption scandal are real, and there are many of them.
There's even evidence of colaboration between the Prosecutor and Judge in Brazil with the U.S departament of Justice and FBI. While the judge right aftet become Bolsonaro Justice minister
It's obvious politically motivated But To do an actual difference in that environment you probably need to get your hands dirty Lula is not clean But who is there ? The Brazilian republic is made for corruption we need to take everything down and start a new one
Such a law as the Clean slate was very important for Brazil where corruption is rampant and systemic. But that’s only because, at least back then, the three powers were very independent and democracy was strong. In more authoritarian countries, these laws can be an instrument of political repression. One of the best examples is how Russia’s Navalny was arrested on “corruption” charges for denouncing corruption himself. While navalny was never in office, it’s easy to see how similar accusations can be used to throw off political opponents
@@FOLIPE the thing is, Bolsonaro has been testing limits and breaking old taboos when it comes to authoritarianism. Just this week a pro-Bolsonaro police chief called a famous youtuber for interrogation because he criticized Bolsonaro. He was released from that by a higher court before it happened but the mere fact that something like this was a thing... it would be unthinkable some years ago. Sure, Brazil is close to Russia than to Germany. But it’s no Russia. We have had peaceful transition of power for 30 years until Dilma Roussef’s controversial impeachment. And now we have a guy whose supporters are on the street calling for closing the Supreme Court every day
Ignore Brazilians saying the channel missed important aspects of the story as this is a neutral channel, something we don't understand. Also a 10 min vídeo. Only interesting part left aside is that Bolsonaro seams to understand he might lose the polarization dispute and is currently playing middle, going for vaccines and using masks (things he avoided at all costs, while underrating covid)
@@WanderTheNomad interesting point of view. Here in Brazil we have a huge wealth discrepancy. Areas in Amazonia or in the arid northeast are very poor. Lula is considered the "father of the poor" as they are always in his speech and he took actions to help them. (Not that others didn't, but it's the myth that matters, right?). In such conditions Bolsonaro can't appeal to the poor too. Left and right wing polarazition are more alike then I think Americans realize. In Nazi Germany people migrated from extreme left to extreme right and back again in East Germany.
@@gorebello There's some people worrying that the same will happen in the US, with people yoyoing back and forth between extreme right and extreme left. I'm really hoping Biden will be able to bring people back to more moderate positions during his presidency.
@@WanderTheNomad It's definitely a polarized election, but Lula is definitely not a left symbol. We are polarized between fascist denial and democratic center-left.
not only the clean slate law should be in all countries but it has to go further, a convicted or with significant guilty evidence that individual is barred for life in politics nor be able to hold any government positions. it is because we have dirty politicians that the world is in a mess.
Lol I would love to see this in Colombia. But the corrupted would never let it pass. Though even when the people are given the chance to make politicians finances open and accessible, not enough people vote for it :(
Brazil´s voters are between a rock and a hard place. Neither Lula nor Bolsonaro deserve another chance. Apart from that, no politician in the country has the people in their best interest. That said, I´d go with Lula, apparently better equiped to carry on keeping the country on life support. I don´t think Brazil will ever snap out of its cyclical ups and downs before radical changes.
Bolsonaro's entire presidency is illegitimate if Lula never should've been banned from running. That being said why put Lula that far on the left in the graphics 😭😭. He's very moderate, bolsonaro just makes him look left.
PT is left wing (not that left, but left nonetheless) but Lula is the most centrists president we've ever had. He had an entrepreneur as a vice-president for God's sake
If I remember well, Lula made Brazil become pretty big back in 2000-2010, think they even become the 5th biggest economy and have had a big participation in international affairs. Even the idea of Iran nuclear deal where Brazil and Turkey govs, remember that Hilary have freaked out because of this.
Lackluster is a pretty big euphemism to refer to Bolsonaro's COVID response. You could have use stronger adjectives like catastrophic, dysmal, horrifc, awful, terrible or, better, "tantamount to genocide".
@@ryanpiotr1929 It was bad, and then the last presidents (Lula included, but not limited to him) pass laws and created institutes to preserve and punish people destroying the florests and natural habitats in Brazil. Lula is a very middle of the road kind of guy, he won't stop the economy to save the planet, but he won't let it be destroyed for a couple more cents either.
Being honest, if in the second turn is Lula vs Bolsonaro, Lula 100% of the way, anyone but Bolsonaro, I'd vote even for a rock haha. But in a more serious standing, I do have reasons, despite Lula being corrupt, he actually did some good for this country, while Bolsonaro has not. Many of the people I study with and I'm friends with were only able to enter university thanks to Lula, I'm pretty sure never before a president was so able to influence people's life like that, and although I wouldn't vote for him in the first turn, if he goes to the second he'd have my full support, and not just my vote.
As Brazilians, we loved Lula before the "Lava Jato" operation, but I disagree with the facts presented in the video. This video not represent the political situation in Brazil very well and does it seem to have a little bias. Almost 60% of people consider that the judge who sentenced Lula, Sérgio Moro, was impartial in his sentence, in addition to the Supreme Court making arbitrary decisions without the concentration of the population. A funny thing is that everyone in Brazil thinks Lula is corrupt, but according to my grandparents: "He did a lot more for the poor". Populism only in Bolsonaro? Hmmm not. I find the video disappointing
Hello TLDR team, I absolutely love all your channels! Ive been following your work for quite a while. As a Brazilian living in the UK I’m impressed with such an accuracy when talking about politics for other countries. Everything on the video is 100% accurate on the details. I absolutely love it! Regarding clean state law, yes I do believe every country should have it. I think is kind of common sense. Even though still not working so well in Brazil. Regarding LULA, it has been a major topic in Brazil, he still very popular with the poorer in the country. Once I had the displeasure to eavesdrop in a bus two old ladies talking about politics during the last mandate of Lula when he supported Dilma (someone absolutely incapable of running the country). One of the ladies told the other one that “If Lula support this light pole on the street, I would vote for it”. This is the level of brainwash that happened with the poorer class in Brazil with his populist methods. Unfortunately he is a threat for future elections with a high chance of being re-elected because most people think that he has been accused innocently.
I am a brazilian too, and I live in Brazil. As for Lula, he should indeed be behind bars, as he has engaged in a criminal scheme of bribery. But Brazil hasnt been broken because of that. The 2015 crisis for example, was the result of a decrease in worldwide comodities exportation, not a political issue, as the extremes like to paint it. Whether you like it or not, Lula's speech regarding today's Brazil is a lot more alligned with the reality of Brazil's people. Bolsonaro's handling of the Covid pandemic has literally killed thousands of Brazilians, as well as collapsing the Health system and delaying the economic recovery. Bolsonaro's narrative of undermining Native Brazilians and Enviromental issues, alongside his (lack of) attitude towards fighting COVID-19 has led to accusations against him and his government for crimes against Humanity, now being evaluated in the International Court in The Hague. Bolsonaro is by far the worst, most unprepared and divisive leader Brazil has ever had.
Unfortunatelly, this is how Brazil works. We have to choose between the lesser evil, for Lula is a thief and Bolsonaro a murderer (and likely a thief as well, as he is now under investigation for the "Rachadinhas" scheme too). best,
I'm Brazillian, I think Lula is a bad thing for brazilian new left; he represent the "old left" generetion and thins could be the perfect time for a "new left" generation of politicians but we incist in using the same person, even though he is corrupt.
I totally agree. I'm a leftist and I will never vote for right wing politicians. But I won't vote for Lula. He will prevent a new letf with new ideas and politics to germinate. He had his time and (actively or not) he let a lot corruption happen below his nose that's unacceptable for me.
Hey guys! If you want any help researching Brazilian news or with translations/pronunciations, send me a message! I'd be glad to help. Love TLDR's content.
I'm a brazlian from the northest region. Is important know that bolsonaro suport is going down because of his actions, of course still huge but his rejection is very large now. Lula also hasn't the popularity who has before, the scandal of car wash operation still in the mind of brazilians and many one suport lula because his isn't worse than bolsonaro for then. I think the election of 2022 will be a duel of rejections, when has the biggest will win. For me, i don't want the both, but if i have to choice i'll choice lula, because i think bolsonaro too dangerous for Brazil
@@FOLIPE I'm talking about how the debate is gonna be "Lulalistas" are going to call Bolsonaro a Fascist And "Bolsonaristas" are going call to Lula a Commie So yeah Brazil in 2022 will be world cup and Communism vs Fascism ... .. great
So, if I’m getting this right, Lula may well have been guilty of money-laundering, but certain figures on the Brazilian right sped up his conviction to try to stop him from running for President? When you say that Bolsonaro may move further to the right, do you mean mainly on social issues?
@@danielhpcarvalho4348 ele pode muito bem ser os dois ao mesmo tempo, ele foi um dos melhores presidentes, basicamente por todas as métricas, mas não significa que não seja corrupto, isso poderia ja ter sido provado mas como a Lava Jato foi uma operação extremamente parcial e corrupta com envolvimento estrangeiro talvez nunca vamos saber
@@Gui1The Por todas as métricas? O cara era um analfabeto, mentiroso, ladrão e populista. Sobre a Lava-Jato, ela foi atrás de gente de pelo menos 24 partidos, além de diversos empresários. Como pode ser parcial (suponho que você queira dizer que perseguiu o PT)? Eduardo Cunha, que traiu o PT, tá em prisão domicilar, enquanto Lula e outros membros do PT estão soltos. A Lava-Jato serviu pra desmantelar a corrupção. Houve algumas falhas sim, infelizmente, mas isso não muda o fato do Lula ser ladrão (e existirem provas de sobra disso) e de que a operação devolveu milhões que haviam sido roubados para os cofres públicos.
@@danielhpcarvalho4348 So olha indicadores sociais, pib, pobreza, disso que eu to falando, eu pessoalmente acho que ele era corrupto, isso não anula os avanços sociais e economicos no governo dele.
@@Gui1The No início dos anos 2000 o cenário econômico mundial era favorável e Lula manteve as políticas econômicas do FHC, ajudando o país a ter um crescimento. Porém, com a crise de 2008, gastos estatais elevados e corrupção nos mais diversos níveis, essa realidade não durou muito. Sobre a pobreza, esse texto aqui explica muito bem: mercadopopular.org/politica/nao-foi-o-pt-quem-tirou-36-milhoes-de-pessoas-da-miseria/
Bozo and Lula are oddly similar characters, despite an expectation of decisive divergence. Both are less than reliable politicians that end up succesfully selling a message of being "humble men" that nonetheless sell the image of being friendly to the production of wealth and to nationalistic values (Bolsonaro perhaps a bit more than Lula). Both also insist on presenting themselves as the One True Way out of the country's troubles and as the destined opponent of each other. Bozo, however, is wildly more unbalanced than Lula, and in a way that makes him that much more dangerous. Apparently he is considerably dumber than Lula as well. Quite a few of us are sick and tired of both, but there isn't much of a hope of attaining a viable third option. At the end of the day, both are remarkably mediocre politicians, even when gauged by the pissy-poor parameters of our politics. It just happens that they are also incredibly popular quite despite themselves. Brazil's political system is incredibly dysfunctional. And, frankly, voters aren't that much better either.
That's a very false equivalence. Lula was a man of poor origins, Bolsonaro increased expenditure on Lobster and Condensed Milk. Lula was criticized by the elite for drinking cachaça and making BBQs, while Bolsonaro eats fancy meals but says he ate bread with butter.
@@Bolsonaro_em_Haia "And frankly, voters aren't that much better either" Sad and true. There are some brainwashed and just plain idiots roaming that otherwise beautiful country...
@@FOLIPE But they still spent money on food and not to mention, Lula is still guilty for the fundings he took to buy a luxury appartment in Guarujá and, like Bolsonaro, he took money away from Petrobras to pay for his own profits. As much as Bolsonaro is bad and a threat to our democracy, Lula is far away from being moderate, in many cases he stated his support to the Venezuelan and Cuban regimes which makes him a far left winger candidate. No matter who gets the presidency, in my opinion, we're still going to get a kick in the nuts by our politicians who where supposed to help the people
I'd like to nominate "Bolsonaro's response to COVID has been seen as lackluster by some" for Understatement of the Year 2021
Yep, recently Brazil’s covid cases got so bad they single handily stopped the global decline in cases
Bolsonaro's response ? The only response he did was "who died, died" . It were the rest of the government that really did something...
My Portuguese speaking friends call him "The enemy of life". I think that has more to do with the fascism connection and his treatment of the native population though.
We're talking of the disastrous US COVID response a lot, looks like Bolsanaro wanted some spotlight as well.
Probably this millennium
I hope this doesn't distract you from the fact that Mr. Krabs sold Spongebob's soul for 62 cents
Capitalists smh
Nice
Could he have gotten more?
@@politicalmemes1296 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@victorviterbo3952 I hope this doesn't distract you from the fact that communism killed millions [Holodomor, Great leap forward, reign of terror, war crimes on Eastern Europe (particularly rape), khmer rouge]
Its also important to say that the judge who jailed Lula later became justice minster of Bolsonaro
And another reason for voiding the rulings he made was due to partiality with the prosecution.
It's important to say that the judge in question, Moro, was declared a national icon/hero for the Brazilian right, which could have raised demand for him to be nominated ministre of justice. There's no evidence to point to some kind of collusion there. Also, legal experts affirm that Lula's conviction will likely not be overturned if tried again
In other words, being partial, which is not in the field of legality in Brazil. It's also important to add evidence to this fact, like the messages collected from Moro and other prosecutors among themselves and the public ministry, which comes in direct collaboration with the partiality charges.
@@loukurasdoarthur The fact that he is part of the far right combined with hundreds of thousands of leaked messages of him advising the prosecution on what exactly to tell him so that he could convict him more easily paint a rather damning picture of the motivation of the conviction. This seems to be a clearly political prosecution, at the very least Moro should never have been close to this case, he clearly wanted Lula gone for political reasons which prevents a fair judgement.
Yup definitely not at all suspicious
5:54 - while Levi do Amaral is sort of an attourney-general, he's from a different branch altogether, that does not deal with prosecution. In Brazil, the attourney-general and the prosecutor-general functions are carried out by different bodies. Augusto Aras would be the name you're looking for ;-)
I think the term for Levi's office in English would be Solicitor General, he defends the government in court not prosecutes people for crimes.
Edit: corrected the term
@@lucasmoorim - never heard of the term, but it does sound right
Great video you guys! As a Brazilian, I always love seeing local news being covered by world media, and I would love to see you guys delve a little bit deeper into the wormhole, 'cause this video is just scratching the surface of this whole ordeal.
What will you do in the future?
the video is already complicated enough without The Intercept debacle and the whole Moro's fall from grace... but to be honest I don't think anyone outside The Madness could understand how it feels...
@@paulobiber5907 with that I whole heartly agree kkkkkk
Oh, as Brazilian, I have to say that you forgot one most important detail. The judge who judged Lula became one of the State's Minister of Bolsonaro and it was revealed that there were conversations, help and other illegal acts between the judge, Moro, and the persecution. The judge released illegal recorded conversations that nothing had about the corruption, but put the public opinion against Lula and the Workers' Party. There are many other things that you should have added there to make the information more complete.
Oh, well, you could also add that this judge himself had its conversations leaked for the same reason... I guess it's a "tomayto tomahto" situation...
But you forgot to say that it those conversations are illegal evidence, could be taken out of context and even edited.
They didn't forget anything, as this is an interpretation loop hole summarised as "didn't have jurisdiction". You have to remember this is a neutral channel, and a 10 min vídeo.
@@gorebello this is not a neutral channel, as there is no such thing. they are trying to hide they are conservatives, that's what it is.
@@gorebello well, if the conversations happened, they were illegal and shows how biased the judge was. And according to the law, illegal evidence can be used by the defense, no matter who's the person they are defending.
@@phillbt they're not 100% neutral but they're very close to it and try their best to be
TLDR news needs more viewers. this shit is good
Yep, when I think of what news should be, I think of something similar to these channels!
The only thing missing is that Bolsonaro closed CarWash claiming he ended corruption
@@justanotheremptychannel2472 Even I, who did not vote for Bolsonaro, recognize that Lula is corrupt and that Bolsonaro appointed Judge Sergio Moro as Minister of Justice because he was someone who knew the industry and was very famous for the Car Wash operation; I have been watching Bolsonaro and I realized that he put to work with him who seemed to understand the subject as an example of this, the Minister of Science and Technology who is a Brazilian astronaut and has done missions at NASA. Second, Lula was freed from prison and from corruption charges because Supreme Court ministers were strategically placed by the Workers' Party. When the Workers' Party was seeing its multi-year "reign" being overthrown, Bolsonaro mysteriously suffered an assassination attempt. In my opinion, Bolsonaro is in the middle of a totally rotten and corrupted system. I who thought he was crazy in the past, today I have rethought a lot about it because today I think he is really crazy, but for having entered this in the middle of this "nest of snakes" that is this Brazilian and world political scenario.
@@GuilhermeSantos-ey2ll lmao, you just brought Lula out of your ass in the conversation
@@GuilhermeSantos-ey2ll funny how the "assassination attempt" was freed and he neither questioned or tried to put it to judgement again with a 'recurso'
i guess no matter what they'll be going to brazil
The horror!
@@ImperfectVoid8479 you can leave Brasil, but Brasil never leaves you.
dolos bicth
@Nolan Connolly AHHHHHHHHAAA!!!
@@moonlight-hm4bh considering brazil's covid situation this sounds...... accurate
YOU HAVE SUMMONED T H E B R A Z I L L I A N S
"Bolsonaro's response to COVID has been seen as lackluster by some."
Right....and the bombing of Hiroshima was an act of pacifism.
To be fair it was, estimates say it saved 8 million lives
@@rafaelssj It was a show of strenght to USSR marching towards Asia, the war was already over.
Pacifism by the definition itself is impossible by the way
@@guerrasetratados the war wouldn't be over for a long time if the bombs hadn't been dropped. Very few in continental Asia cried when Hiroshima and Nagazaqui were nuked.
There is a lot of info missing here. But one of the most important is: the judge that sentenced lula just before election is the same that bolsonaro chose to be the justice minister. This same judge is now being investigated for selling out sentence.
I missed this info also
That's some selective info to bring up. i have one too: Ciro, the second most popular left-wing candidate in 2018, was projected to win against Bolsonaro. Lula refused to support him and continued to force the workers party's candidate despite their extremely weakened image.
And that made people vote for Bolsonaro without even liking him, just so Lula's party wouldn't be back. Now, 250 thousand people have died due to Bolsonaro's incompetente in handling the pandemic, all because Lula's party couldn't join forces with other leftist candidates against the alt-right threat.
@@gogobrasil7185 That's minor info in my opinion. I can understand why they would left it out of this 9 min.
While I agree that PT - and possibly Lula - were power hungry in the 2018 election, I think it's a big logic jump to blame then for what happened.
While I would love to see the Brazilian Left all united, I see it as a dream, as it is virtually everywhere else in the world.
While I agree there are a lot of things that unite the Left, there's also a lot of disagreeance, mainly when it comes to economy, how much the State should control the economy, etc...
And lastly we're talking about Politics. I also would love to see politicians really representing who elected them that's not real life. Every one of them have their own agenda and who they want to benefit to remain in power.
Politics is a cynics game, vote to whom you think need you to remain in power, not in your washed image of savior.
@@MarcosWilliandaSilva I understand not mentioning it but it's worth knowing about.
I blame them for their strategy, a strategy that heavily favored Bolsonaro, which eventually led to the deaths. It was so avoidable. Everybody knew they were weakened and that other candidates had a better chance at it.
I mean, even before the deaths, we knew Bolsonaro was bad. He was openly prejudiced against minorities. That should be enough for the leftist candidates to put their differences aside and fight for a better outcome.
Politicians representing us is not the reality, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for it. Doesn't mean we should give up and let them do whatever they want.
@@gogobrasil7185 Their strategy was their strategy, however much I disagree with it, it wasn't exchanging favors and privileges of official positions.
It's important to notice that as of yesterday, Brazil's Supreme Court ruled that the judge who presided over Lula's trial was biased against him. The former judge Sergio Moro was found to have tapped Lula's attorney phones, accepted a job in Bolsonaro's cabinet as justice minister among other serious charges.
If you're interested on this matter you can check out Vaza Jato, a report by The Intercept on how the Lava Jato operation worked and how the judge worked with the prosecutors for political and economic reasons
5:04 - Minor mistake: You said "top electoral court" which is the TSE - Tribunal Superior Eleitoral. However, you showed the supreme court (STF - Supremo Tribunal Federal) logo.
As a brazilian who used to enjoy politics, I voted against Lula and his party in every single election since I was old enough to vote in the mid 2000s. Well, appart for 2018, were I voted for PT for the first (and hopefully only) time in my life, just to try and stop Bolsonaro. I always thought I was a center-right guy.
But two things should be mentioned here: Firstly, Lula's first government was in fact good, not gonna lie. I just thought it could be better, hence I voted against him.
Secondly, although I don't belive he is innocent of some of the charges, as someone who has a law degree I must say his judgment was kinda rigged, yes. The judge of the case became Bolsonaro's Justice Minister, ffs.
But the thing is: If I have to choose between Lula, who I think is corrupt, and Bolsonaro, who is a completely helpless imbecile and a fucking clown, who put all his sons into politics to work like a little mafia family of alt-right blind militants... Honestly, I would go with Lula all the freaking way. At least he doesn't deny the existence of the pandemic. Bolsonaro is a less-capable Trump with way too much access to social media.
A reasonable person, talking politics on the Internet?... what are you? a unicorn?
Get out of my mind @Vivaldi that's my view wholesale
Exactly my same thoughts
Dude I really really don't want neither, Bolsonaro also killed car wash, wich show that he is deep into shit, but lula in the world cope show that he didn't care for health cause soccer was more important, my dude doesn't even know how to write how that became our president? And Dilma another dumb dumb ass
Yes i also like old rich men coming up to me and taking money out of my pocket. Actually, i ASK them to do it.
Mentalidade de petista
Congratulations for this vídeo. I am a Brazilian who follows Brazilian politics since 1984 and think you have made and excellent job in the 10 minutes available
Hahah idk if u guys know this but the beach house pic you showed actually belongs to the Marinho Family and was illegally built in a nature reserve close to Rio. Funny because this family owns Rede Globo and therefore were major players in giving operation car wash its huge media coverage
As Brazilian I'm just trying to not think in this terrible scenario that we are living. Both candidates are very corrupt and unfit for the job. It's a nightmare, and for me Brazil is almost over, corruption and miss management reigns in this country.
As a fellow Brazilian, I totally get you, I would any time take Lula over Bolsonaro, but neither is my candidate.
With that said, I really think it petty to care that much about corruption when we love in a country where people are starving and thousands die each and every day due to covid, and yet the federal government refused 70 million doses from the Pfizer vaccine.
@@arthurmotafurtado6767 pfizer is making really dodgy deals with every government they deal with. E.g military bases as collateral against being sued.
I'm not saying trust your gov, but definitely don't trust these companies. We are guinea pigs and they know it
@@gavinhill3164 It wasn't only Pfizer thought. And he didn't even answer the offer, and straight up refused two times the Coronavac (a vaccine being produzed in Brazil, that was tested in Brazil) just because it is a Chinese technology. He said that vaccine companies should reach out for him instead of him reaching out for them to buy, and said that he would buy after because "it's too expensive now".
Of course clean state law should be generalized as long as the justice is independent from the legislative and executive. Otherwise it will be manipulated to prevent opponents from running.
Not sure what to think about Lula... but however bad he is, I don't think Bolsonaro is better...
No elected president in the world is worse than Bolsonaro. I can't think of anyone who goes out of their way to increase the number of deaths by covid in their own country
on the one hand a dumb president who talks shit, on the other hand a president who robs you, we’re fucked
@@bill688 Exactly, what a pitty that they can't have a suitable candidate
@@zaydalaoui9397 Well we do have more conventional (Read: Not as problematic) candidates. They Just won't survive the primaries
@@leonardofranzinribeiro4220 why is it that brazilians are so attracted by sketchy candidates instead of conventional ones ?
The thing us brazilians need to understand is that not Lula nor Bolsonaro (or their parties) can fix our country, but cooperation between the parties and long term planning would.
The whole world need to understand this.
Yes USA you especially
@@franekkkkk the republicans will never work with the democrats. Democrats offer every single time and they refuse
"Reais" ❤️
Da gosto de ouvir gringo falando certinho né haha
Falou melhor q eu, q falo "real" no plural ou no singular
Just a correction: what I think you're thinking of when you read "mechanical car wash" is not what is commonly used in Brazil to wash cars. It is common for the car to be washed "manually" (by a person with a hose) and for this to be called "lava jato". A "jato" of water would be the "flow" of the water (the "squirt") from the hose in the direction of the war -- it is also a pun with "a jato", which means "very quick"
Whether or not you like Lula his trial was a sham and the judge that sentenced him went on to work in the administration of Bolsonaro, who wouldn’t have won if Lula was out.
The edge of democracy is a great documentary for people not familiar with the situation leading up to Bolsonaro being elected.
the edge of democracy is a lying documentary, which ignored the corruption schemes of the PT and the horrible administration of the dilma government. Although Lula has to have the right to run, he is a corrupt bum.
Brazil is f upped.. The left and right cannot fix this, only a miracle can
Here I am, a Brazilian watching a video about my country’s politics. Lol
Very simplistic. Doesn’t even scratch the surface.
Also downplaying how absurd and chaotic Bolsonaro’s government has been
I just watched the Netflix documentary about lula’s arrest yesterday, crazy timing
Democracy on Edge? Love that documentary! His speech at the end made me cry. I think Lula is an absolute champion of human rights and equality
@P4to D0l4n from the start u can see, totally inclined
@@gabrielbaruck9152 Im leftist, but agree with you. There are better names in the left (Ciro Gomes, Marina Silva)
You kidding me right? This documentary is completely bias towards Lula and what ?should we just ignore the billions that his government stole? If he didn’t know what was happening in his own party he is not fitted to be president as a president has to be aware of billions being diverted by his own party. If he knew but did not get involved he should be persecuted for passive corruption and the more likely of the 3 he knew and benefited from it.
Keep the good videos coming guys!
As a Brazilian I'm very glad you're covering this! I watched the entire brexit process with you guys, and all I could think was that I wished someone would cover politics here the same way you guys did in the UK.
The video itself was very good and properly unbiased, despite how easy it is to just side with Lula because he's not Bolsonaro. It's a really nuanced topic due to the fact that if you criticize Lula, it'll look like you're in turn supporting Bolsonaro, which is not necessarily true.
Lula isn't a good option for Brazil. He isn't our Biden. He's very, very likely guilty of corruption. The hate for this very corruption massively boosted Bolsonaro's support. I can tell you first hand how many people I know voted Bolsonaro just so Lula's party wouldn't be back.
And worst of all, knowing that their image was extremely damaged, they insisted on running in 2018, and overshadowed another left-wing candidate that had much better chances of winning. It's one of many instances of their attempts to supress their leftist colleagues.
Personally, I'm a severe critic of both of them. Bolsonaro is the worst one, no doubts, but Lula and his party are egostitical, extremely shady opportunists. If you're a foreigner and you're against Bolsonaro's alt-right ideas, don't fall into the trap of supporting Lula for that. There are much better options for our contry that aren't as divisive nor shady and really need the support.
Exactly what I feel.
I hope Lula keeps out of the presidential run, for Brazil's sake.
Such an awesome country deserves better than those two.
What concerns me most with Brazil is how their country contains the largest rainforest in the world and Bolsanaro is just letting it burn. To all Brazilians out there, right-wing populism doesn't work and never will, Trump was the worst president we have had in the last 100 years (with George W Bush closely behind), to the point where people actually voted for Joe Biden.
@@parispc Exactly. My number one priority still is for Bolsonaro not to win again, that's why I want a less divisive alternative than Lula.
I don´t think you know much about Joe Biden haha
I agree with pretty much everything you said, but just one thing to point out - A lot of people voted for Bolsonaro as a anti-PT vote, but that was in 2018, when Bolsonaro was just a nobody with hatred in his eyes (and the people wanted hate), now it's a completely different situation, he is the president, he did nothing to help the people and everything to make our lives worse. The people that voted for the Anti-PT man don't support him anymore, his only base is the far-right populists (which sadly is not a small group, but it's not enough to win an election), while PT might have a lot of corruption charges but it also represents the nostalgia of better days, when Brazil was as big as it has always been promised but never delivered, and it's very hard to win against nostalgia.
I know absolutely nothing about brasill so please excuse me if im wrong. But didnt your country have like a 500% economic growth under Lula? Again i just heard that and im not good informed. Just wa to know if thats true or not
Ohhh Brazil, the real life GTA server.
That's offensive......
Very balanced review of the topic, although I would like to know the source or criteria used to not categorize Lula as a Populist
If Lula runs, I will vote for him. I think he was wrongly convicted by political motivations.
How?
Not only was Petrobras involved in the scheme, but also major construction corporations such as: Odebrecht, OAS, Camargo y Correa to name a few. Also the scandal reached all the corners of LATAM.
It even reached Africa and the Middle East and the US.
@@Gui1The and Europe (Portugal and Switzerland)
Someone help me out here. Did Lula commit a crime? Was he unfairly arrested/charged? Cos our former president Zuma is super corrupt and uses Lula's imprisonment as an example of unfair prosecution, and says he's being treated unfairly too.
Maybe TLDR could do a story on Zuma (currently facing a prison sentence for contempt and on trial for corruption) and Ramaphosa(SA's current president) and their political battles.
This is an old comment and I don't know if you're still interested but just like SA (and everywhere else, really) it's more complex than "Did Lula commit a crime?"... Politics are quite a dirty game, I'm sure you know, and the due proccess of law did get thrown out of the window in Lula's lawsuit. The judge became Bolsonaro's minister after he won the election - quite serious business. Having said that, it doesn't mean that the allegations against Lula are completely unfounded, but it means that we just don't really know. If you don't trust the judge and the proccess, how will the merit be trusted?
Perfect video!
As a Brazilian, IT DOESN'T MATTER, WE'LL BE SCREWED EITHER WAY
why?
Didnt you have a 500% economic growth under lula?
@@Schweizer_Politik Economic growth doesn't stop corruption scandals. His whole government was associated with bribes and investigations with the state-owned oil companies. Billions of dollars were lost.
@@Gabowsk ok this is just my own weird opinion. But aslong as the economie booms and the peoples lives improve. I dont care how corrupt the guy is aslong as it works.
But yeah thats just my weird me
The only thing i want from the brazill election is, that somebody is voted in that doesent destroy the amazon
@@Schweizer_Politik Dilma was Lula's direct successor and we had a recession in her government, what Lula built went down and it was the same government, and there was no pandemic back then.
Better to have a supposed corrupt than an aspiring dictator
Supposed corrupt? He is corrupt.
Great video!
This video shows how badly informed are UK resident's about what is going on in South America... The media here does not pay much of attention to the region and when they do, they do it with a condescending colonialist look. I like TLDR guys, but this video research was a very poorly done... Not mentioning the details of Lula''s case, the role of Petrobras for more than 30 years, who is Sergio Moro, the judge who prosecuted Lula... Very sad, I see this not only here... The Guardian even weight themselves as neutral while reporting a coup in Bolivia by the far right...
Brazil politics is not boring: its like a soap opera with cliffhangers kkkkk
House of cards got nothing on Brazilian real life politics. We have a federal deputy who's allegedly killed her own husband who is also her adopted son and ex son-in-law, Hollywood could never come up with a plot that convoluted haha.
@@matheusd.rodrigues429 VDD KKKKKKKKK
You should explain ex- Judge Sergio Moro and the charges that he has put on Lula. The Legal process didn't included proves, Lula don't own the apartment and he was makita political favors after he has left the Presidency (wtf). Besides that, Lula was Bolsonaro main rival in the presidential race and the judge looked Lula up and after the election accepted the nomination to become Justice Minester in Bolsonaro's government.
And it was the fastest conviction Brazil has ever sought since the democratization.
lol you should have explained just how shaky his "corruption" allegations were
Sem provas mas com convicção.
Brazil's clean slate law should be adopted by every country... if it actually worked
This law comes from an elitist mentality that doesn't trust the people with the power to decide elections.
@@FOLIPE The law is very good, the problem is the people that enforce it, as what happened in Lava Jato with the partilality of the operation, and the involvement of the judge with the prosecutors
Lula actually believes in climate change and wants to protect the Amazon and provide sustainable jobs to Brazilians. He’s not perfect but I hope he wins.
He is a bad candidate.
But he is way, WAY better than Bolsonaro.
Sure, he may be super corrupt, but at least he is not a climate change denying proto fascist.
The brazilians should go for a third candidate, but between these two, Lula is the better deal.
Painting the public opinion of Bolsonaro's COVID-19 response as lackluster is the understatement of the year.
Hot up? Hotting up? Seriously what's wrong with the word heat or heating
Great job as usual guys.
I'm gonna start using it now. I'm gonna keep the hot up
it's a british colloquialism i think. i've always thought it was strange but i've also seen the language used in the Economist. I guess it's correct over there
The cean state laws are a wonderful idea, in my opinion at least, makes it much easier to punish corrupt politicians and makes them hopefuly less likly to take bribes.
As a critic on teh cideo though, I would have liked a more comprehensive policy break down at least in general where the two differ and what is expected of teh current president to do in his bid for relelection.
I do understand the importance of the Amazon Rainforst, but people outside of Brazil needs to understand, the Amazon rainforst it's the least of our concerns right now. Brazil is now responsible for 25% of deaths by the coronavirus in 24hs (and it has been like that for at least a week) and we only have 3% of the population. Brazil has 14 Milion people unemployed with many more underenployed, and this situation is not new (3 years at least, but you could claim 6 and it wouldnt be totally wrong), and there's zero polititcs to aliviate the economy and the people diyng of starvation right now. The congress is doing what it can to help but everything has to pass through the president AND the congress is not exactly a progressive, people loving, as it should be in a situation like this.
Brazilian politics are so crazy that this video is already outdated...
The name Carsh Wash was given by the Federals and not the press.
Besides of that, good research.
I have no idea what the implications are on a domestic level. However, there appear to be serious implications for the BRICS project. Brazil, India and South Africa now have leaders taking those countries back towards the west. Putin and Xi are the last men standing (no surprises there).
If Bolsonaro and Ramaphosa (South Africa) get the boot in the next two years, the picture will be significantly altered. I think China and Russia have given up on Modi and India anyway. That looks like it has passed a point of no return.
I could not count plot twists with fingers on one hand.
As a Brazilian, I think this is 95% accurate. That's very good
Great video
I am confused. Is Lula actually guilty of corruption or is this politically motivated?
Both
The trial, the timeframe, court, the cause of lulas arrest are political motivation, even the evidence is shallow as a it can be. The corruption scandal are real, and there are many of them.
There's even evidence of colaboration between the Prosecutor and Judge in Brazil with the U.S departament of Justice and FBI. While the judge right aftet become Bolsonaro Justice minister
It's obvious politically motivated
But
To do an actual difference in that environment you probably need to get your hands dirty
Lula is not clean
But who is there ?
The Brazilian republic is made for corruption
we need to take everything down and start a new one
Operation Car Wash was eventually linked to Operation Marquis in Portugal, the same one that saw the arrest of former prime minister Sócrates.
i love how TLDR says that Lula is not a populist yet goes on to call him it anyway...
Such a law as the Clean slate was very important for Brazil where corruption is rampant and systemic. But that’s only because, at least back then, the three powers were very independent and democracy was strong. In more authoritarian countries, these laws can be an instrument of political repression. One of the best examples is how Russia’s Navalny was arrested on “corruption” charges for denouncing corruption himself. While navalny was never in office, it’s easy to see how similar accusations can be used to throw off political opponents
What leads you to think that something like that didn't happen in Brazil? Brazil is much closer to being like Russia than like Germany.
@@FOLIPE the thing is, Bolsonaro has been testing limits and breaking old taboos when it comes to authoritarianism. Just this week a pro-Bolsonaro police chief called a famous youtuber for interrogation because he criticized Bolsonaro. He was released from that by a higher court before it happened but the mere fact that something like this was a thing... it would be unthinkable some years ago.
Sure, Brazil is close to Russia than to Germany. But it’s no Russia. We have had peaceful transition of power for 30 years until Dilma Roussef’s controversial impeachment. And now we have a guy whose supporters are on the street calling for closing the Supreme Court every day
Ignore Brazilians saying the channel missed important aspects of the story as this is a neutral channel, something we don't understand. Also a 10 min vídeo.
Only interesting part left aside is that Bolsonaro seams to understand he might lose the polarization dispute and is currently playing middle, going for vaccines and using masks (things he avoided at all costs, while underrating covid)
As an American, it's very interesting seeing a right leaning president lose the polarization dispute.
@@WanderTheNomad interesting point of view. Here in Brazil we have a huge wealth discrepancy. Areas in Amazonia or in the arid northeast are very poor. Lula is considered the "father of the poor" as they are always in his speech and he took actions to help them. (Not that others didn't, but it's the myth that matters, right?). In such conditions Bolsonaro can't appeal to the poor too.
Left and right wing polarazition are more alike then I think Americans realize. In Nazi Germany people migrated from extreme left to extreme right and back again in East Germany.
@@gorebello There's some people worrying that the same will happen in the US, with people yoyoing back and forth between extreme right and extreme left. I'm really hoping Biden will be able to bring people back to more moderate positions during his presidency.
@@WanderTheNomad I'm praying for a Biden here. Extremism is the the second biggest threat to democracy, only behind poverty.
@@WanderTheNomad It's definitely a polarized election, but Lula is definitely not a left symbol. We are polarized between fascist denial and democratic center-left.
No Lula, no Bolsonaro, the liberals are rising!
"Right-wing populist" is my favorite oxymoron
never trust a guy that says "hot up" instead of "heat up"
great job as always though
Lula may have been corrupt. But atleast he realy did lift milions out of poverty, instead of just talking about it like bolsonaro.
That sounds sketchy at best. I won't make any comments on what should or shouldn't happen as an outsider
So... in other words, Bolsonaro (with all his, uh, reputation) vs someone with an approval rating of 80%. Hm...
No F-ing way!
Brazil under Lula was at its peak. He was attacked on baseless accusations, and a victim of lawfare.
not only the clean slate law should be in all countries but it has to go further, a convicted or with significant guilty evidence that individual is barred for life in politics nor be able to hold any government positions.
it is because we have dirty politicians that the world is in a mess.
Lol I would love to see this in Colombia. But the corrupted would never let it pass.
Though even when the people are given the chance to make politicians finances open and accessible, not enough people vote for it :(
Just let the judicial branch decide who is or not allowed to run for office? Not very democratic
Pretty certain it's "Heat Up" not "Hot Up"
Brazil´s voters are between a rock and a hard place. Neither Lula nor Bolsonaro deserve another chance. Apart from that, no politician in the country has the people in their best interest. That said, I´d go with Lula, apparently better equiped to carry on keeping the country on life support. I don´t think Brazil will ever snap out of its cyclical ups and downs before radical changes.
Bolsonaro's entire presidency is illegitimate if Lula never should've been banned from running. That being said why put Lula that far on the left in the graphics 😭😭. He's very moderate, bolsonaro just makes him look left.
PT is left wing (not that left, but left nonetheless) but Lula is the most centrists president we've ever had. He had an entrepreneur as a vice-president for God's sake
@@matheusd.rodrigues429 But, doesn't he like, supports communists dictatorships in Venezuela and Cuba?
I wouldn't call Lula a populist. He united the country, and while his policies greatly benefited the poor they also benefited the rich elite as well.
So... not populist then, just a president doing his job and making the life of everyone in his country better
If I remember well, Lula made Brazil become pretty big back in 2000-2010, think they even become the 5th biggest economy and have had a big participation in international affairs. Even the idea of Iran nuclear deal where Brazil and Turkey govs, remember that Hilary have freaked out because of this.
You remember correctly, but Brazil was the 6th economy in the world, not 5th.
Lackluster is a pretty big euphemism to refer to Bolsonaro's COVID response. You could have use stronger adjectives like catastrophic, dysmal, horrifc, awful, terrible or, better, "tantamount to genocide".
So do they have any large differences in deforestation policy? And could there be a populist arms race to allow more deforestation?
No, like at all. They are complete oposites in this regard
@@Gui1The Oh, good. Because I've heard that deforestation was very bad before Bolsonaro as well.
@@ryanpiotr1929 It was bad, and then the last presidents (Lula included, but not limited to him) pass laws and created institutes to preserve and punish people destroying the florests and natural habitats in Brazil. Lula is a very middle of the road kind of guy, he won't stop the economy to save the planet, but he won't let it be destroyed for a couple more cents either.
I don't like Bolsonaro's proposal to cut down the entire Amazon except for a thin strip.
Being honest, if in the second turn is Lula vs Bolsonaro, Lula 100% of the way, anyone but Bolsonaro, I'd vote even for a rock haha.
But in a more serious standing, I do have reasons, despite Lula being corrupt, he actually did some good for this country, while Bolsonaro has not. Many of the people I study with and I'm friends with were only able to enter university thanks to Lula, I'm pretty sure never before a president was so able to influence people's life like that, and although I wouldn't vote for him in the first turn, if he goes to the second he'd have my full support, and not just my vote.
Many people think like you (me and pretty much my entire family for instance)
As Brazilians, we loved Lula before the "Lava Jato" operation, but I disagree with the facts presented in the video. This video not represent the political situation in Brazil very well and does it seem to have a little bias. Almost 60% of people consider that the judge who sentenced Lula, Sérgio Moro, was impartial in his sentence, in addition to the Supreme Court making arbitrary decisions without the concentration of the population. A funny thing is that everyone in Brazil thinks Lula is corrupt, but according to my grandparents: "He did a lot more for the poor". Populism only in Bolsonaro? Hmmm not. I find the video disappointing
Thank you for a neutral, factual review! That's so hard to see nowadays.
What Brazilians need to do is bring back the Emperor.
Viva Dom Pedro II !!!
Hello TLDR team,
I absolutely love all your channels! Ive been following your work for quite a while.
As a Brazilian living in the UK I’m impressed with such an accuracy when talking about politics for other countries. Everything on the video is 100% accurate on the details. I absolutely love it!
Regarding clean state law, yes I do believe every country should have it. I think is kind of common sense. Even though still not working so well in Brazil.
Regarding LULA, it has been a major topic in Brazil, he still very popular with the poorer in the country. Once I had the displeasure to eavesdrop in a bus two old ladies talking about politics during the last mandate of Lula when he supported Dilma (someone absolutely incapable of running the country). One of the ladies told the other one that “If Lula support this light pole on the street, I would vote for it”. This is the level of brainwash that happened with the poorer class in Brazil with his populist methods. Unfortunately he is a threat for future elections with a high chance of being re-elected because most people think that he has been accused innocently.
I am a brazilian too, and I live in Brazil.
As for Lula, he should indeed be behind bars, as he has engaged in a criminal scheme of bribery.
But Brazil hasnt been broken because of that. The 2015 crisis for example, was the result of a decrease in worldwide comodities exportation, not a political issue, as the extremes like to paint it.
Whether you like it or not, Lula's speech regarding today's Brazil is a lot more alligned with the reality of Brazil's people. Bolsonaro's handling of the Covid pandemic has literally killed thousands of Brazilians, as well as collapsing the Health system and delaying the economic recovery. Bolsonaro's narrative of undermining Native Brazilians and Enviromental issues, alongside his (lack of) attitude towards fighting COVID-19 has led to accusations against him and his government for crimes against Humanity, now being evaluated in the International Court in The Hague. Bolsonaro is by far the worst, most unprepared and divisive leader Brazil has ever had.
Unfortunatelly, this is how Brazil works. We have to choose between the lesser evil, for Lula is a thief and Bolsonaro a murderer (and likely a thief as well, as he is now under investigation for the "Rachadinhas" scheme too).
best,
I'm Brazillian, I think Lula is a bad thing for brazilian new left; he represent the "old left" generetion and thins could be the perfect time for a "new left" generation of politicians but we incist in using the same person, even though he is corrupt.
I totally agree. I'm a leftist and I will never vote for right wing politicians. But I won't vote for Lula. He will prevent a new letf with new ideas and politics to germinate. He had his time and (actively or not) he let a lot corruption happen below his nose that's unacceptable for me.
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No matter which of the two get elected Brasil is doomed.
I wish for a third option but it seems unlikely...
Bolsonaro and Lula are really the best that Brazil has to offer? Smh...
No, but things are not conducive to the best of the circumstances.
Bolsonaro is the worse,im voting for Lula
and y'all thought hillary vs trump was bad
Yeeeeeeeep
Bad or worse, pick your poison...
I'm a brazlian from the northest region. Is important know that bolsonaro suport is going down because of his actions, of course still huge but his rejection is very large now. Lula also hasn't the popularity who has before, the scandal of car wash operation still in the mind of brazilians and many one suport lula because his isn't worse than bolsonaro for then. I think the election of 2022 will be a duel of rejections, when has the biggest will win. For me, i don't want the both, but if i have to choice i'll choice lula, because i think bolsonaro too dangerous for Brazil
Does populism lead to extremism via polarization?
Yes
Basically communism vs Fascism
@@cristianiiv6418 except you lack a communist
@@FOLIPE I'm talking about how the debate is gonna be
"Lulalistas" are going to call Bolsonaro a Fascist
And "Bolsonaristas" are going call to Lula a Commie
So yeah Brazil in 2022 will be world cup and Communism vs Fascism ...
.. great
8:39
Me: Small understatement lol
"hot up"? I think you meant "heat up"?
So, if I’m getting this right, Lula may well have been guilty of money-laundering, but certain figures on the Brazilian right sped up his conviction to try to stop him from running for President?
When you say that Bolsonaro may move further to the right, do you mean mainly on social issues?
So Walter White is running again
I am a Brazilian Political Scientist and I can guarantee, Lula was the greatest political leader since Brasil discovery by the Portuguese.
O maior ladrão, você quer dizer
@@danielhpcarvalho4348 ele pode muito bem ser os dois ao mesmo tempo, ele foi um dos melhores presidentes, basicamente por todas as métricas, mas não significa que não seja corrupto, isso poderia ja ter sido provado mas como a Lava Jato foi uma operação extremamente parcial e corrupta com envolvimento estrangeiro talvez nunca vamos saber
@@Gui1The Por todas as métricas? O cara era um analfabeto, mentiroso, ladrão e populista. Sobre a Lava-Jato, ela foi atrás de gente de pelo menos 24 partidos, além de diversos empresários. Como pode ser parcial (suponho que você queira dizer que perseguiu o PT)? Eduardo Cunha, que traiu o PT, tá em prisão domicilar, enquanto Lula e outros membros do PT estão soltos. A Lava-Jato serviu pra desmantelar a corrupção. Houve algumas falhas sim, infelizmente, mas isso não muda o fato do Lula ser ladrão (e existirem provas de sobra disso) e de que a operação devolveu milhões que haviam sido roubados para os cofres públicos.
@@danielhpcarvalho4348 So olha indicadores sociais, pib, pobreza, disso que eu to falando, eu pessoalmente acho que ele era corrupto, isso não anula os avanços sociais e economicos no governo dele.
@@Gui1The No início dos anos 2000 o cenário econômico mundial era favorável e Lula manteve as políticas econômicas do FHC, ajudando o país a ter um crescimento. Porém, com a crise de 2008, gastos estatais elevados e corrupção nos mais diversos níveis, essa realidade não durou muito. Sobre a pobreza, esse texto aqui explica muito bem: mercadopopular.org/politica/nao-foi-o-pt-quem-tirou-36-milhoes-de-pessoas-da-miseria/
Jair Bolsonaro = Brazil’s Trump
You should cover AMLO's midterms in Mexico
Estamos fodidos👍
By the way ciro gomes is probraly
a good 3rd choice for this election
Reuters is pronounced Roy-ters.
Lula and his party made Brazil better. Bolsanaro destroyed all that progress and then some
Bozo and Lula are oddly similar characters, despite an expectation of decisive divergence. Both are less than reliable politicians that end up succesfully selling a message of being "humble men" that nonetheless sell the image of being friendly to the production of wealth and to nationalistic values (Bolsonaro perhaps a bit more than Lula). Both also insist on presenting themselves as the One True Way out of the country's troubles and as the destined opponent of each other.
Bozo, however, is wildly more unbalanced than Lula, and in a way that makes him that much more dangerous. Apparently he is considerably dumber than Lula as well.
Quite a few of us are sick and tired of both, but there isn't much of a hope of attaining a viable third option.
At the end of the day, both are remarkably mediocre politicians, even when gauged by the pissy-poor parameters of our politics. It just happens that they are also incredibly popular quite despite themselves.
Brazil's political system is incredibly dysfunctional. And, frankly, voters aren't that much better either.
That's a very false equivalence. Lula was a man of poor origins, Bolsonaro increased expenditure on Lobster and Condensed Milk. Lula was criticized by the elite for drinking cachaça and making BBQs, while Bolsonaro eats fancy meals but says he ate bread with butter.
@@FOLIPE With all due respect, you are exercising a very, very selective perception.
@@Bolsonaro_em_Haia "And frankly, voters aren't that much better either"
Sad and true. There are some brainwashed and just plain idiots roaming that otherwise beautiful country...
@@FOLIPE But they still spent money on food and not to mention, Lula is still guilty for the fundings he took to buy a luxury appartment in Guarujá and, like Bolsonaro, he took money away from Petrobras to pay for his own profits. As much as Bolsonaro is bad and a threat to our democracy, Lula is far away from being moderate, in many cases he stated his support to the Venezuelan and Cuban regimes which makes him a far left winger candidate. No matter who gets the presidency, in my opinion, we're still going to get a kick in the nuts by our politicians who where supposed to help the people