Hi Ben - found the following stats for 2022 entries: UTMB® 195% sold out - 4 486 applicants CCC® 301% sold out - 5728 applicants OCC 484% sold out - 5812 applicants Of course, there is a different system this year and maybe with the extra promotion that has taken place there will be more entries across all races. But many people will perhaps not have got their heads around the new rules. I have 5 stones - 2 from UTS 50 and 3 from Nice 100k (a real beast). So hoping that I have a decent enough chance to get through the lottery. Note that they also say that they do the lottery by country. So if 5% of entrants are from UK I guess we all go into a lottery between us for 5% of the places. Not sure. Good luck in Valencia - I did my first and only road marathon there in 2019. Loved it although it was a tad too warm for me. Paul Ravenscroft
Only just found your 2nd channel ! Great stuff 👏 following your sub 3 mara plan for London this April and then targeting the trails with a UTMB one day..
Hope to see you there! My Friend David actually ran with you guys awhile so I knew in real time about your knee. We felt so so badly for you both and hope so much to see you in Chamonix. ( going for CCC myself.) wish you both all the best
Thansk alot for that dude, really appreciated. It's not so comp[licated but the stress and importance of getting it right makes my brain melt! I understand it now and will plan accordingly! Discovered your channel as a by product of watching Jeff Pelettier's UTMB doc. Much love and respect!
A great summary, really appreciate it! Just did the UTS50km (Short film about it on my channel) this year and will hopefully be seeing you two in Chamonix next year! Actually went a few weeks ago for a recce of the location and WOW!
@@benparkestheextramile will do mate, currently using works printer to print my Ben Parkes marathon plan! Got Windermere marathon next year so going to cycle the first two-three weeks of that plan for the foreseeable
One thing I can appreciate is that speed is no factor but at the same time I do appreciate that Ironman for example is performance based... i went to 70.3 worlds 2021 based on finshing position in a race which i felt was fair to auto-qualify. Maybe the combination of lottery in addition to qualifing position would be cool... for example if you show up and finish like top 10% or even top 5% of a 100k or 100m UTMB race, i feel you ought yo qualify. Meanwhile, everyone gets their chance in the lottery. Just a though
You can qualify without the lottery by placing in the top 10 at a UTMB major or top 3 at a World series event. There is also direct qualification by running a race where you achieve a high UTMB index (different for male and female).
Great video, I was wondering how this all worked. Looks like an amazing event for some time in the future if I have time. Have they said what the ballot chances are so you can know how many stones you should be realistically aiming for?
Great video, Ben. I know a lot of people are frustrated with that new system. For me, I was doing UTS anyway, so that's fine with me. But I don't have the expenditure to travel round the globe to collect Stones. So my 2 stones from UTS 50k (should I get round) will be my only chances to enter CCC for 2024. What are your thoughts on a DNF not affecting your Index score? There were a lot of DNF's at elite and sub-elite level this year and I think they were well aware that a DNF doesn't affect their score at all, where as a "poor" finishing place or "poor" finishing time would affect their Index. For me, that system is floored.
In contrast to the previous years the actual score does nothing for elite runners anymore. They all have to qualify either by placing high in a UTMB Series Major / regular Series event or get in through the lottery. I highly doubt any athlete thinks about their UTMB Score when contemplating to pull out of a race.
Yes! I was going to say that but didn't want to add more complexity into it. But great point too AK! Does seem odd that you can now qualify by just running one 100k race.. verses before when you had to pretty much do two 100 milers to get the UTMB points.
@@benparkestheextramile Right you had to get 8 points in max 2 races yada yada. Now you just need to buy in ehhhrrr I mean run as many UTMB races as possible ;)
I haven't been able to find that out. I guess they might say after the 2023 race when they have more information on how this new system is working. I know western states publish that.. but their entry system seems to have been identical for many years.
@@benparkestheextramile I wonder that too. I mean in theory there have been 25 races with many finisher. But does every 100K finisher want to race the CCC next year? Dunno...
So if you run two 100k races, the best one is used for your index? What is the index exactly, is time on the index race important? I don’t fully understand the conecept.
Question im still waiting for someone to answer. - if i want to enter the 100mile utmb main race, can i do a 100km index race that has stones? Oooor must i have to do a 100mile/165km index race with stones?
Have they scrapped the rule by which you get a guaranteed entry if you failed two years in a row in the lottery? Presumably so? My entry next year is actually my 2020 entry (which was rolled over from the cancelled year of 2020, but could be carried over to 2021, 2022 or 2023), but I only got that because I was unsuccessful in the 2018 & 2019 lotteries. Was way easier back in 2007 when they just asked if you'd done a race of over 80k or two races over 50k, and you just had to tick a box that said "yes"!
🔝 This will be very helpful, it is not easy to understand.. Question regarding 'stones are valid for two years'. Is it calendar year? Or 2 year before lottery? Or max 2 years before utmb workd series? Or something else? For example: when you have earned stones in march 2022, can you enter the lottery for the event in september 2023 and 2024?
@@benparkestheextramile thanks! Sounds logical too on some level. With my 2 points this year I can do the lottery for occ for 2 years. I go for 1 point in 2023 (jan-dec; does not make a difference) to also get to the lottery for the event in 2025.
Really great video by Ben but yes I thought the same, very much made it a case you have to pay more to their other races to qualify (or should I say, have the “chance” to). If they carry on making such a commercial move in time, supporters will get put off much like triathletes at the ridiculously priced Kona Ironman.
@@creativechimp03but unlike Ironman, in UTMB, you have the opportunity to reach the finals simply by completing the qualifying race(s), regardless of your finishing time. This makes UTMB a more inclusive event compared to Ironman, where hobby triathletes may never qualify for Kona.
Ok, so I did a 19km race which gave me 1 UTMB point if it was redeemed on their site. So 1point = 1 stone and I could enter the lottery for a CCC race?
In summary utmb has sold out. I’m glad I did it in 2015 before it sold out to iron man. Makes me laugh the amount of RUclipsrs that say it’s not the hardest 100 miler in the world but can’t compete it.
Good breakdown. I'm doing Val D'Arran in July, and hoping to be at UTMB in 2024. Lots of training in that time!
Thank you for posting this information!
Great video, thanks Ben,
Hi Ben - found the following stats for 2022 entries:
UTMB® 195% sold out - 4 486 applicants
CCC® 301% sold out - 5728 applicants
OCC 484% sold out - 5812 applicants
Of course, there is a different system this year and maybe with the extra promotion that has taken place there will be more entries across all races. But many people will perhaps not have got their heads around the new rules.
I have 5 stones - 2 from UTS 50 and 3 from Nice 100k (a real beast). So hoping that I have a decent enough chance to get through the lottery. Note that they also say that they do the lottery by country. So if 5% of entrants are from UK I guess we all go into a lottery between us for 5% of the places. Not sure.
Good luck in Valencia - I did my first and only road marathon there in 2019. Loved it although it was a tad too warm for me.
Paul Ravenscroft
Only just found your 2nd channel ! Great stuff 👏 following your sub 3 mara plan for London this April and then targeting the trails with a UTMB one day..
Great video! I will never do UTMB, but i'll also have the dream! Keep up the great content!
Hope to see you there! My
Friend David actually ran with you guys awhile so I knew in real time about your knee. We felt so so badly for you both and hope so much to see you in Chamonix. ( going for CCC myself.) wish you both all the best
Thanks this was really helpful!😄
Thansk alot for that dude, really appreciated. It's not so comp[licated but the stress and importance of getting it right makes my brain melt! I understand it now and will plan accordingly! Discovered your channel as a by product of watching Jeff Pelettier's UTMB doc. Much love and respect!
A great summary, really appreciate it! Just did the UTS50km (Short film about it on my channel) this year and will hopefully be seeing you two in Chamonix next year! Actually went a few weeks ago for a recce of the location and WOW!
Fingers crossed you get in!! Chamonix is a trail runners paradise for sure..
Great vidéo !
Great video thanks Ben. Wasn't quite sure about the difference between the stones and index but you cleared that up. Great work!
Glad it was helpful Steve! Good luck if you decide to try and get to Chamonix!
@@benparkestheextramile Thanks! Actually going to run the 100K at The Canyons of Auburn on 4/29/23 trying to get stones for OCC.
So helpful! Seems more realistic for me to get into UTMB than a major like Boston
Good luck if you decide to quality and enter!
Immediately subscribed, put on notifications and saving videos ready for a binge post run tonight
Thank you Jack! Enjoy that run!!
@@benparkestheextramile will do mate, currently using works printer to print my Ben Parkes marathon plan! Got Windermere marathon next year so going to cycle the first two-three weeks of that plan for the foreseeable
Very nearly understand this now ...its SO French! :-) Thanks Ben
Great summary Ben! Kinda sad we don't have UTMB races in 🇨🇦 :(
Or in Eastern North America at all! It is a big gap in my opinion. They need to work something out with Quebec MegaTrail.
One thing I can appreciate is that speed is no factor but at the same time I do appreciate that Ironman for example is performance based... i went to 70.3 worlds 2021 based on finshing position in a race which i felt was fair to auto-qualify.
Maybe the combination of lottery in addition to qualifing position would be cool... for example if you show up and finish like top 10% or even top 5% of a 100k or 100m UTMB race, i feel you ought yo qualify. Meanwhile, everyone gets their chance in the lottery. Just a though
You can qualify without the lottery by placing in the top 10 at a UTMB major or top 3 at a World series event. There is also direct qualification by running a race where you achieve a high UTMB index (different for male and female).
Great video, I was wondering how this all worked. Looks like an amazing event for some time in the future if I have time. Have they said what the ballot chances are so you can know how many stones you should be realistically aiming for?
As it's all so new I don't think they have any data to show what the ballot chances are yet..
@@benparkestheextramile Gotcha… well good luck to you and Sarah, hope it’s not like London!
Great video, Ben. I know a lot of people are frustrated with that new system. For me, I was doing UTS anyway, so that's fine with me. But I don't have the expenditure to travel round the globe to collect Stones. So my 2 stones from UTS 50k (should I get round) will be my only chances to enter CCC for 2024.
What are your thoughts on a DNF not affecting your Index score? There were a lot of DNF's at elite and sub-elite level this year and I think they were well aware that a DNF doesn't affect their score at all, where as a "poor" finishing place or "poor" finishing time would affect their Index.
For me, that system is floored.
In contrast to the previous years the actual score does nothing for elite runners anymore. They all have to qualify either by placing high in a UTMB Series Major / regular Series event or get in through the lottery. I highly doubt any athlete thinks about their UTMB Score when contemplating to pull out of a race.
And if you get your stones from a race that has the index of your choice - say similar length - you just need one race for both criteria.
Yes! I was going to say that but didn't want to add more complexity into it. But great point too AK! Does seem odd that you can now qualify by just running one 100k race.. verses before when you had to pretty much do two 100 milers to get the UTMB points.
@@benparkestheextramile Right you had to get 8 points in max 2 races yada yada. Now you just need to buy in ehhhrrr I mean run as many UTMB races as possible ;)
The 'within two years' requirement is so harsh for int'l runners and leads to a very Euro-centric competition.
Thanks Ben well explained! Any idea roughly what the chances are of getting in for each stone you have?
I haven't been able to find that out. I guess they might say after the 2023 race when they have more information on how this new system is working. I know western states publish that.. but their entry system seems to have been identical for many years.
@@benparkestheextramile I wonder that too. I mean in theory there have been 25 races with many finisher. But does every 100K finisher want to race the CCC next year? Dunno...
Is there a min value of UTMB Index to enter each race? There used to be a recommended index needed to finish the race within the time limit.
Do you get stones for partaking in the charmonix races?
So if you run two 100k races, the best one is used for your index? What is the index exactly, is time on the index race important? I don’t fully understand the conecept.
Question im still waiting for someone to answer. - if i want to enter the 100mile utmb main race, can i do a 100km index race that has stones? Oooor must i have to do a 100mile/165km index race with stones?
Is it only finishing criteria or is time a factor too?
Have they scrapped the rule by which you get a guaranteed entry if you failed two years in a row in the lottery? Presumably so? My entry next year is actually my 2020 entry (which was rolled over from the cancelled year of 2020, but could be carried over to 2021, 2022 or 2023), but I only got that because I was unsuccessful in the 2018 & 2019 lotteries.
Was way easier back in 2007 when they just asked if you'd done a race of over 80k or two races over 50k, and you just had to tick a box that said "yes"!
Do you get physical stones?
just entered UTS 100K, shitting myself! going to be so tough lol my first 100k
The tough ones always feel the best at the finish.. good luck!!!
So basicly the UTMB collects the stones and the Index is by completing some races?
Do you have a high chance of entering UTMB 100m if you have a high index number?
How many stones is enough? Is everyone going into the lottery with 10 while I’m hoping 4 will be enough, what should one aim for?
So, if I want to run UTMB I could now just run 1x100k (or 100mile) and then some 50ks just to get more stones vs before I needed to run 2x100mile?
Yes.. technically you could run just 1x 100k, enter the ballot and get in.
🔝 This will be very helpful, it is not easy to understand..
Question regarding 'stones are valid for two years'. Is it calendar year? Or 2 year before lottery? Or max 2 years before utmb workd series? Or something else? For example: when you have earned stones in march 2022, can you enter the lottery for the event in september 2023 and 2024?
as far as we can tell it's two years before the lottery deadline.. which as it's 31st December, is two calendar years before the lottery as well.
@@benparkestheextramile thanks! Sounds logical too on some level. With my 2 points this year I can do the lottery for occ for 2 years.
I go for 1 point in 2023 (jan-dec; does not make a difference) to also get to the lottery for the event in 2025.
You coming back to Ultra Trail Cape Town anytime soon?
Will be back in South Africa next year for sure..but not UTCT I'm afraid.
@@benparkestheextramile oh brilliant, got a race in mind for coming down this side?
@@wesleysundelson598 Probably two oceans!
@@benparkestheextramile such a brilliant race! Hope to see you when you come!☺️
A greedy move by UTMB it looks!
Really great video by Ben but yes I thought the same, very much made it a case you have to pay more to their other races to qualify (or should I say, have the “chance” to). If they carry on making such a commercial move in time, supporters will get put off much like triathletes at the ridiculously priced Kona Ironman.
@@creativechimp03but unlike Ironman, in UTMB, you have the opportunity to reach the finals simply by completing the qualifying race(s), regardless of your finishing time. This makes UTMB a more inclusive event compared to Ironman, where hobby triathletes may never qualify for Kona.
Stupid question... Do you actget a stone?? Why they called stones??
No, you don't get any physical stones.. or anything like that. I really have no idea why they called them stones to be honest! :-)
Qualify* 😉
Ooops. Thank you. Now fixed!
Ok, so I did a 19km race which gave me 1 UTMB point if it was redeemed on their site. So 1point = 1 stone and I could enter the lottery for a CCC race?
You would need a 50k, 100k or 100M UTMB Index as well. Which you wouldn't have got from the race you did. You could enter OCC though. All the best
@@benparkestheextramile Cheers. Doh I got the letters mixed up!
Super frustrating having only one qualifying race in the UK. One opportunity without overseas travel per year...
Yes, was hoping there would be some more in 2023.. plus UTS is really hard, arguable a lot harder than UTMB!
In summary utmb has sold out. I’m glad I did it in 2015 before it sold out to iron man. Makes me laugh the amount of RUclipsrs that say it’s not the hardest 100 miler in the world but can’t compete it.
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Welcome to the new channel Benny!
@@benparkestheextramile you're a legend Ben.