Nice and peaceful debate well moderated by Jovito bab. Great analysis Adv Radharao Gracias. We pray for Velingkar and the likes to keep aside their presumptions and assumptions and learn to respect the law of the land and historical facts that Radharao explained so well. Give peace a chance stop playing in the hands of communal disturbance creators
Mr Velingkar, I appreciate your thinking power to a certain extent,but I hope you don't fish in troubled waters. Whereas I appreciate your limited knowledge, it is not discreet to compare Shivaji Maharaj with a saintly man like St.Francis Xavier. Please leave religion & politics & let them survive independently because both have firm roots rooted in the hearts of each and every Goan.If you realize this then surely peace wil reign Supreme in "the former land flowing with milk and honey."
The first step to establishing peace solutions begins with the exchange of ideas, thoughts, or dialogue in an amicable atmosphere, giving a valuable and practical solution to immature people too. I fully appreciate both participants' efforts to enlighten the minds of people with good will. Keep up the good work in maintaining brotherhood in Goa, proving the Goans are truly peace-loving people.
I agree with Dotor Radhabab....whatever has happened is past is past....lets move ahead to build goa economically financially that is more important then religion
@nikhilkhandekar1146: it is SAD THAT WERE ARE RELATED BY BLOOD BUT DO NOT TRUST EACH OTHER DUE TO SOME CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. i wish there are more family histories we can uncover to find out common ancestors and thus SHEDTHE MISTRUST AND FIND LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE in each others families. DEV BOREM KORUM!
Hypocrisy of GSB bamons came out .. well done radherao.. as a lowercaste hindu .. thanks for letting people of Goa to know that GSB bamon were the puppet of portuguese they grabbed all temples and land by becoming bhatkars and Mahajan of temples with the help of portuguese
@@Jr-rp4wbAgain, it wasn't "some" who converted but the overwhelming majority. Considering how the Hindu minority was happy to put down Catholics in favour of migrants (till their migrant pets turned against them), it's best to ignore them.
@@Jr-rp4wbYou need to get your facts right. It wasn't "some" Goans, the overwhelming majority of Goans left Hinduism for Christianity. Over 80% of ethnic Goans are Catholic.
Even today missionaries have an agenda to convert .. where as Hindus by and large don't go out and convert others.. hence the issue hens Hindus are annoyed so how can we let past go?
Hats off to Sir Radha...loved the knowledge he shared 💯/💯 Subash wasn't impressive.... he didn't have all the knowledge that Adv Radha had about the same.
That's because Radha is a Goan unlike the ghanti Velingkar,who only has an unhealthy appetite to create chaos and confusion.Hence he was banned from Goa by his own party member Parrikar.
Mr Velingkar bab keep our goan harmony intact .we all Hindu and Catholics all remained peacefully with great respect to each other's.I personally have so many Hindu friends but we never had difference between us God bless our beautiful Goa and Goans .
Absolutely Agree 💯💯 History is to be seen for observation and to learn for the future. Making our present and future about History is regressive. Leave History in its place an be progressive for the future and let's take all communities together.
it is SAD THAT WERE ARE RELATED BY BLOOD BUT DO NOT TRUST EACH OTHER DUE TO SOME CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. i wish there are more family histories we can uncover to find out common ancestors and thus SHEDTHE MISTRUST AND FIND LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE in each others families. DEV BOREM KORUM!
Mr Velingkar! What about the illegal structure at Old Goa ? Isn't that a heritage site ? Why are you not objecting to this illegal structure. Is it because it has been built by a person who is associated with the BJP ?
Most engrossing, healthy, peaceful discussion on a burning issue. As a lawyer, Mr. R. Gracious gave logical conclusions and on the other hand Mr. S. Velingkar, very calmly tried to prove his point. May peace prevail.
When I first listened to Velingkar I felt Catholic Church for having was wrong and felt like calling some priests asking them to withdraw from this place. But when Radharao spoke with facts and proving the ownership of the land, I felt Velingkar is either ill informed or knowingly igniting fire like RSS is doing all over India. Sorry Mr Velingkar we Goans, either Hindus, Muslims or Christians will never allow RSS ideology to take roots in Goa and destroy our peace. If I am wrong ask your son Dr Amey, how well we all respect him at Gogol as one full family. God bless our wisdom.
Veilingkar it is better you go .you are there only to destroy an divided just like modi God bless you 🙏 you try to attack st Francis Xavier few,month back .let there be peace in goa Veilingkar 😅
@@FrancisFernandes-mv3xuTrue I don’t understand why do many in the Hindu community take him seriously and consider him as an intellectual when he keeps stating baseless arguments not proven by facts and merits.
Veilingkar r u so free to talk nonsense. Make thorough study of d subject u r talking of. Why r u taking so much interest in Catholic religion. Dont try to ignite. Your talk says it all that u want to pollute Goans minds and try to divide. Tell this story to your grandchildren
Highly professional approach to the debate. Well done Jovito, R Gracias, Subhash V. This is what we are looking forward to, unity, peace, harmony=love, and one that is unconditional. Huge respect to these gentlemen.
Beautifully explained by Adv. Radha. Very true Goenkar are lembde. Also he is very knowledgeable on the history and the arguments put forward are logical. Velingkar and co. are only twisting and turning the facts to suit their communal agenda. These guys are truly out of their time. Very nicely moderated by Signor Jovito Lopes.
Now Velingkar realize that he can not talk anything like before BCZ he doesn't have any evidence , right to fight adv Radarao good suggestion you brought keep peace In Goa Mr Velingkar Now change your mind
Hypocrisy of GSB bamons velinger came out .. well done radherao.. as a lowercaste hindu .. thanks for letting people of Goa to know that GSB bamon were the puppet of portuguese they grabbed all temples and land by becoming bhatkars and Mahajan of temples with the help of portuguese
@@rajmandrekar9166You're talking about Novas Conquistas following the Pombaline reforms. In the Velhas Conquistas, over 90% of Goans became Catholic and the Brahmins who wanted to remain Hindu had to leave over 100 villages.
For subhash, temple came into existence only in 2012 when kalidas was force to stop trespassing into church property, past so many many years he was robbing coconuts from church property illegally plucking them by taking coconut pluckers that's the reason he is mad now
Radharao Gracias is very knowledgeable and without bias . I hope he writes historical books for posterity. Its a great honor St Joseph Vaz, a Goan is declared a Saint, it has never happened before, and as Saint he is honored and respected in entre Christendom and it is forever. And it is a cause to celebrate for every Goan whether Hindu ,Christians and hopefully, Goa Govt recognizes this immense honor to our native Son of Goa and extends all the help in building a fine Church or Basilica in honor of our native son, who has won us respect and honor and cast aside these petty disputes..
My grandfather being a historian and anthropoligist always in the archieves written alot of books what our learned Adv .Radharao has said is the absolute TRUTH
Adv. Radharao Gracias was very much guided by the Holy Spirit. Luke 12:11-12 (NIV) “When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”
Mr velimker why you not fright for river madai , illegal construction hill cutting ,illegal land and so on ? Please take Good issue ? Good People taking good issue. God bless you velimker and be a good old man ?
Well done Adv Radharao Gracias Hats off to you for hvg more knowledge of Goan History n Culture. Venlingkar talking about Excavation ????😅😅 we need communal Harmony Mr Velingkar. Was happy to see a peaceful discussion on this topic.
it is SAD THAT WERE ARE RELATED BY BLOOD BUT DO NOT TRUST EACH OTHER DUE TO SOME CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. i wish there are more family histories we can uncover to find out common ancestors and thus SHEDTHE MISTRUST AND FIND LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE in each others families. DEV BOREM KORUM!
@@Jr-rp4wbStop lying again. The overwhelming majority of Goans (not "some", over 80% of ethnic Goans are Catholic) dumped Hinduism hard in favour of Christianity.
Hypocrisy of GSB bamons came out .. well done radherao.. as a lowercaste hindu .. thanks for letting people of Goa to know that GSB bamon were the puppet of portuguese they grabbed all temples and land by becoming bhatkars and Mahajan of temples with the help of portuguese
@@Jr-rp4wbAgain, Dharmics need to stop lying about "some" converting when it was the overwhelming majority. And Dharmics need to stay away from Catholics, letting Dharmics into Catholic spaces (e.g. schools) last century only resulted in the dumbing down of Catholic institutions.
Well spoke Advocate Radharao Gracias. I feel proud to say I have once been to his house for a work purpose. He and his family members are so humble and respectful. The funniest part was when Jovito Lopes called out to Velingkar at 53:50 Bab Anton Bab 😂😂😂
Viittal Naik example is best example to explain those who are trying to create issues out of this matter. And As per law, status quo of religious places must be maintained. Mr. Subash must avoid misguiding Peace loving Hindus of Goa. And by the way 2012 onwards its BJP in power, so He means to say BJP did not act for giving justice to Hindus while they claim to protect Hindus? Subash uncle looks confused. Please let it go and let us live in peace. Maintain the status quo as per the law.
@@jiti5034And so? Contemporary records have shown that the overwhelming majority of Goans left Hinduism voluntarily because they preferred mleccha firangi leadership to sanskriti Brahmin oppression. Over 70% of Hindus weren't even allowed to enter temples but still had to give forced free labour for upper castes and money for temples.
Congratulations to adv Gracias ...a mentor to educate others with your intelligent talks.. very brilliant and your education counts adv.gracias..hope everybody take a lesson from you.thanks once again.
Yes Adv. Radharao Gracias spoke with so much of confidence along with evidence. Yes, we are in the 21st century and should move with the times and not dig old stories and disturb the peace and harmony of Goa. Let God put peace in Mr. Velingkar's mind. As rightly said by Mr. Gracias we should stop fighting on religious issues and think of making our country a developed country. Most important our leaders should understand the meaning of this interesting topic. God bless us all.
First of all we thank you for presenting such dialogues in front of every Goans and wishes to show us more because this event resembles the sign of Brotherhood and Peace which the World needs at the moment. Amche ghamand ghevun ravlo zalear "Life has to go on" will not go at all and we will remain behind all the other developing Nations.
Watch from Dubai. Nicely explained by Radharao. Velingkar is talking about 2012 but after that old Goa structure was build by bjp, why he dont talk about it?
It was a pleasure as well as a learning session to me to listen to this Dialogue of Differences. I congratulate both the participants for conducting this exchange of views in a civil , dignified and candid manner. We can not fix the injustices, real or imagined, of the Past but we Can contribute to make the Present a more just, inclusive and prosperous Society. Mr J. Lopes has conducted the interview with remarkable balance and grace, for which I would like to express my appreciation. Thank You.
Adv. Gracias has come for the discussion fully prepared with documents of history and law. It is enlightening to hear him with his voice of reason. He has stuck to the topic of discussion and not diverted even once. Wemust have such sane voices for discussions.
Adv. Gracious got all the proofs of the existing land. Catholics don't unnecessary and without proofs don't grab land like other do and make it as their own without legal proofs. Our God is the living God. Thank you Sir Gracious....do settle everything peacefully and show them their place and right..God Bless You ABUNDANTLY Sir and St. Joseph Vaz will give you health in Abundance 🙏
Well enlightening facts Advogado Radharao Gracias, God bless.... most indians only think, fight & debate only about religion, building temples etc. etc to divide people for their ultimate selfish evil motives. we all goans need to move forward in all respects coz history is history and its past ..present day is mystery and future is bonus given to each one of us by GOD ... Mr Velingkar remember God should be loved and adored in each one's heart so let us all learn to live in peace and harmony irrespective of religion & class and concentrate more eagerly on today's burning issues faced by Goans all over & our beautiful State of Goa. Hope better sense prevails .
Congratulations Sir Radharao Gracious for a high level explanation of the facts very well brought out intellectually. Hats of to you Sir, truly appreciate your expression of facts. Goans live peacefully believing in communial harmony. Well said. May the Good Lord bless you for your wonderful expression of facts. Was overjoyed listening to you Sir.
No, Catholic Goans are the only community in India foolish enough to believe every migrant's BS sob story and bend over backwards for every outgroup. It's why they've gone from the overwhelming majority (over 80%) in Goa to a minority in less than a century. Goa is the only state of India where migrants outnumber the natives.
Hats off to Adv Radharao for wise insights. Today I m catholic. But my ancestors were Hindus. If my ancestors at one point got converted and changed temple into a church and if l m happy with my present religion who is someone to dictate terms to me and asking me to go back to old system .
Mr Radharao Gracias Excellent for your knowledge of history, really I appreciate and respect you. May God Bless you with good health and happiness always. The way you Question and Answer,plus why ? This is enough. Shame on Subash Velaikar ,what knowledge do you have only to divide and hatred between the religions. Hats off to Mr Radharao
The Portuguese in their early conquests had full control of the spice trade that they used to build their empire and churches. Much later came the other European countries to whom they lost much territory and trade. And hence could not maintain all that they had built. So many churches fell to ruin as there was simply no money to maintain them. Please read 'An Historical and Archaeological sketch of the City of Goa' by José da Fonseca
Also later on the Portuguese state became hostile towards to Church, many missionaries and religious orders like the Agustinians were shipped back to Europe and they took away the roofs of many monasteries and churches so that they would be ruined. That's how St. Agustine and Chimbel Monastery are today ruined.
Freemason Pombal first expelled the Jesuits, the deliberate mismanagement by the government that followed led to the institutions the Jesuits had created being closed and turned to ruins. Similar for the other Catholic religious orders following the Liberal takeover in the 1800s.
Radha wants to meet Velingkar again somewhere out of the studio over some cervejas I suppose. Funny claim by Velingkar when the original decents of the temple themselves claim that the temple was not there. Does the front piece looks like a temple?
Kudos to Mr Gracias. Mr Velingkar lacks understanding. Mr Radharao Gracias explained everything legally, historically but it did not penetrate the narrow mind. Wonder how Mr Velingkar is called an educationist!!
@kirannaik7486: t is SAD THAT WERE ARE RELATED BY BLOOD BUT DO NOT TRUST EACH OTHER DUE TO SOME CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. i wish there are more family histories we can uncover to find out common ancestors and thus SHEDTHE MISTRUST AND FIND LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE in each others families. DEV BOREM KORUM!
Hypocrisy of GSB bamons came out .. well done radherao.. as a lowercaste hindu .. thanks for letting people of Goa to know that GSB bamon were the puppet of portuguese they grabbed all temples and land by becoming bhatkars and Mahajan of temples with the help of portuguese
WELL EXPLAINED BY RADHARAO.THE CAUSE OF THE CONFLICT WAS THE CASTE SYSTEM IN INDIA WHERE THE PEOPLE WERE DIFFRENCIATED IN KERALA PEOPLE CONVERTED WHEN MUSLIMS CAME AND TREATED THEM LIKE THEIR OWN BROTHERS WHEREAS THE BRAHMINS TOOK BATH 7 TIMES WHEN THEIR SHADOW FELL ON A BRAHMIN
It is because someone from the RSS went inside his skull like a Bluetooth & washed his brain to think only of others destruction which is called brainwashing. He was stunned to know how knowledgeable Radha is as far as Hinduism is concerned.
Everything is not only about law.Sometimes to maintain law and order and peace we have to consider the sentiments of our own people be it Hindu or Catholic.Courts don't come into the picture if people decide amicably and in brotherhood to allow both faiths to practice their faith.That is a win win for both religions.
it is SAD THAT WERE ARE RELATED BY BLOOD BUT DO NOT TRUST EACH OTHER DUE TO SOME CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. i wish there are more family histories we can uncover to find out common ancestors and thus SHEDTHE MISTRUST AND FIND LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE in each others families. DEV BOREM KORUM!
@@Jr-rp4wbStop lying again, Dharmic Dindoo ghantti. The overwhelming majority of Goans dumped Hinduism hard in favour of Christianity. The constant stream of lies from Hindus (both the Brahmins who are still bitter about losing money and status, and the ghanttis they've been encouraging to flood into Goa to use as minions against the Catholics) means that not a single word from any Dharmic Dindoo mouth is to be trusted.
@@Jr-rp4wbAgain, it wasn't "some" Goans who converted to Christianity but the overwhelming majority. That Hindu Goans got screwed over by their migrant pets doesn't give the toxic losers the right to now try to latch onto the Catholics and try to drag down the Catholics again.
Nice discussion, there is no winner or loser, one thing we have to keep in mind as Goan that we are peace loving people living in harmony but if such issues crops up then our future generation will not see this peace and harmony. So do not disturb our harmony for our political mileage
No, Goans are gullible people who believe every migrant's fake sob story and bend over backwards for every outgroup. It's why Goa is the only state where migrants outnumber natives, and the native Catholic majority (over 80% of ethnic Goans are Catholic) is now a minority in its own native land.
I want to ask this velingkar,since he is talking about history of goa, if he says that he is a goan then he is a gaunkar of which village of goa? Because before Portuguese rule started in goa there were only gaunkars staying in goa an all temples of goa were built by gaunkars an non gaunkars who our ancestors referred them as ghatis had no right to enter those temples forget about building a temple.
Velingkar is not a gaonkar, but from kollvont community (his origin is Brahmin men exploiting Hindu widows and making the resulting offspring into hookers and temple servants).
Mr. Velingkar said. That whatever portuguese did should not stand.. then i challenge Mr . Velingkar to scrap portuguese Mahajan Act and give temple committee access to all hindus of goa by keeping aside caste.
We should have the Old Goa Illegal Bunglow debate as well - The RGP's top leader and mlas brothers was involved directly with govt Authorities to claim Sancoale Church properties with Vaigankar hence you want to stop this debate. Sir please think twice whenever we support the wrong Party that back stabbed you & me.
I have a friend from Sri Lanka, when I told him that I'm from Goa he directly took the name of St Joseph Vaz. I felt Very happy when he said so, people from out of Goa respect and praise the son of Goan soil. And what happens to the people who lives in Goa. Thank You Dr Radarao Sir you explained nicely. I hope so Mr Velingkar won't put fight's between religion and Goans. We Goans are happy let us all stay happy together
@@Christopherbenjamin71fact is that velingkar GSB bamon and majority of Cristian in Goa are originally from GSB bamon community as radhrao explained. You'll sell your religion for greed of land and temples by becoming bhatkars and Mahajan of temples in front of portuguese
@@rajmandrekar9166Stop lying again. Velingkar is NOT a Bamonn, he's from kollvont (kalawantin) community now called Gomantak Maratha Samaj. The majority of Goans who left Hinduism were also not Bamonns for the simple reason that the majority of Goans weren't Bamonns (Bamonns were, and still are, less than 5% of the population).
Nice and peaceful debate well moderated by Jovito bab.
Great analysis Adv Radharao Gracias.
We pray for Velingkar and the likes to keep aside their presumptions and assumptions and learn to respect the law of the land and historical facts that Radharao explained so well. Give peace a chance stop playing in the hands of communal disturbance creators
We also pray for people like Radhrao to come out of Anti Hindu stance
Adv Radarao spoke very logically and scientically, appreciate his knowledge.
Dialog by TV station was well conducted
May Peace remain in Goa.
U r write Velginkar bab
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Mr Velingkar, I appreciate your thinking power to a certain extent,but I hope you don't fish in troubled waters. Whereas I appreciate your limited knowledge, it is not discreet to compare Shivaji Maharaj with a saintly man like St.Francis Xavier. Please leave religion & politics & let them survive independently because both have firm roots rooted in the hearts of each and every Goan.If you realize this then surely peace wil reign Supreme in "the former land flowing with milk and honey."
The first step to establishing peace solutions begins with the exchange of ideas, thoughts, or dialogue in an amicable atmosphere, giving a valuable and practical solution to immature people too. I fully appreciate both participants' efforts to enlighten the minds of people with good will. Keep up the good work in maintaining brotherhood in Goa, proving the Goans are truly peace-loving people.
Very well explained by Adv. Radharao, let's see what our CM has to say after this
C M has already told in the Assembly that don t have the data about destruction!
Indeed very well said by doctor Radharao .....
Truth always prevail in the best possible way.
Very Very educated person Mr. Radharao Gracias. May Almighty Lord bless you abundantly for comng forward and bringing out the facts and truths.
I agree with Dotor Radhabab....whatever has happened is past is past....lets move ahead to build goa economically financially that is more important then religion
@nikhilkhandekar1146: it is SAD THAT WERE ARE RELATED BY BLOOD BUT DO NOT TRUST EACH OTHER DUE TO SOME CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. i wish there are more family histories we can uncover to find out common ancestors and thus SHEDTHE MISTRUST AND FIND LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE in each others families. DEV BOREM KORUM!
Hypocrisy of GSB bamons came out .. well done radherao.. as a lowercaste hindu .. thanks for letting people of Goa to know that GSB bamon were the puppet of portuguese they grabbed all temples and land by becoming bhatkars and Mahajan of temples with the help of portuguese
@@Jr-rp4wbAgain, it wasn't "some" who converted but the overwhelming majority. Considering how the Hindu minority was happy to put down Catholics in favour of migrants (till their migrant pets turned against them), it's best to ignore them.
@@Jr-rp4wbYou need to get your facts right. It wasn't "some" Goans, the overwhelming majority of Goans left Hinduism for Christianity. Over 80% of ethnic Goans are Catholic.
Even today missionaries have an agenda to convert .. where as Hindus by and large don't go out and convert others.. hence the issue hens Hindus are annoyed so how can we let past go?
Hats off to Sir Radha...loved the knowledge he shared 💯/💯
Subash wasn't impressive.... he didn't have all the knowledge that Adv Radha had about the same.
I appreciate the very sensible way in which Radharao has advanced his arguments on the issue. He stuck to historical evidence, law and common sense.
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Mr Radharao, has more knowledge about Goa’s Hindus culture and history than Mr Velingker. It was a very healthy discussion.
That's because Radha is a Goan unlike the ghanti Velingkar,who only has an unhealthy appetite to create chaos and confusion.Hence he was banned from Goa by his own party member Parrikar.
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Truly....venóm coming out of his mouth
Mr Velingkar bab keep our goan harmony intact .we all Hindu and Catholics all remained peacefully with great respect to each other's.I personally have so many Hindu friends but we never had difference between us God bless our beautiful Goa and Goans .
No, ghanttis outnumber Goans in Goa so now they're becoming bolder about their history lies and land grabbing intentions.
Are Baba Forget the past. Let's move forward with hand in hand.
We are Goenkar First.
Love is Supreme.❤
Absolutely 💯 true
You are right sir.
Absolutely Agree 💯💯 History is to be seen for observation and to learn for the future. Making our present and future about History is regressive.
Leave History in its place an be progressive for the future and let's take all communities together.
it is SAD THAT WERE ARE RELATED BY BLOOD BUT DO NOT TRUST EACH OTHER DUE TO SOME CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. i wish there are more family histories we can uncover to find out common ancestors and thus SHEDTHE MISTRUST AND FIND LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE in each others families. DEV BOREM KORUM!
@@Jr-rp4wbare you a gaunkar of any village of goa to say that we are related by blood? I hope you know who are gaunkars.
Highly professional and legal approach by Adv. Radharao Garcias. And well moderated by Mr Jovito Lopes. Hope there will be peace and harmony in Goa.
Salute to Adv. Radharao for his knowledge and argument. Perfectly put up the facts
Mr Velingkar! What about the illegal structure at Old Goa ? Isn't that a heritage site ? Why are you not objecting to this illegal structure. Is it because it has been built by a person who is associated with the BJP ?
Old Goa church was first helligal
@@damodarverekar2659Nope, churches replaced temples as the majority of Goans left Hinduism.
Most engrossing, healthy, peaceful discussion on a burning issue.
As a lawyer, Mr. R. Gracious gave logical conclusions and on the other hand Mr. S. Velingkar, very calmly tried to prove his point.
May peace prevail.
S.V. was lost totally. Praise the lord!
Radha countered well.....👍
SV was also respectful in this conversation.
Well said Mr Radharao Gracias ! He has very good good knowledge.....
Wonderfully well done, Doutor Radharao. You have reasonally shown the difference between Truth and Lies propagated by misguided elements.
When I first listened to Velingkar I felt Catholic Church for having was wrong and felt like calling some priests asking them to withdraw from this place. But when Radharao spoke with facts and proving the ownership of the land, I felt Velingkar is either ill informed or knowingly igniting fire like RSS is doing all over India. Sorry Mr Velingkar we Goans, either Hindus, Muslims or Christians will never allow RSS ideology to take roots in Goa and destroy our peace. If I am wrong ask your son Dr Amey, how well we all respect him at Gogol as one full family. God bless our wisdom.
Veilingkar it is better you go .you are there only to destroy an divided just like modi God bless you 🙏 you try to attack st Francis Xavier few,month back .let there be peace in goa Veilingkar 😅
You might have noticed Velingkar himself was surprised to listen to the facts placed on by radharao..
@@FrancisFernandes-mv3xuTrue I don’t understand why do many in the Hindu community take him seriously and consider him as an intellectual when he keeps stating baseless arguments not proven by facts and merits.
Veilingkar r u so free to talk nonsense. Make thorough study of d subject u r talking of. Why r u taking so much interest in Catholic religion. Dont try to ignite. Your talk says it all that u want to pollute Goans minds and try to divide. Tell this story to your grandchildren
Mr. Radharao, pl put some light on " Haat katro khamb".
Good atmosphere is claimed... listening to each others opinion is peacefully done....🙏
Highly professional approach to the debate. Well done Jovito, R Gracias, Subhash V. This is what we are looking forward to, unity, peace, harmony=love, and one that is unconditional. Huge respect to these gentlemen.
Beautifully explained by Adv. Radha. Very true Goenkar are lembde.
Also he is very knowledgeable on the history and the arguments put forward are logical.
Velingkar and co. are only twisting and turning the facts to suit their communal agenda.
These guys are truly out of their time.
Very nicely moderated by Signor Jovito Lopes.
Hats off to Advocate Bab Radharao Gracias 👋👋👋👋👋👋❤
We need to move forward.
Good say Mr. Gracias, sensible and mature talk.
Very poor logic from Velingkar why destroyed church was not rebuild. Well proved/explain by Radharao
Now Velingkar realize that he can not talk anything like before BCZ he doesn't have any evidence , right to fight adv Radarao good suggestion you brought keep peace In Goa Mr Velingkar Now change your mind
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I think the Fabrica should rebuild the church in accordance with the original Baroque architecture plans. That will shut a lot of mouths permanently.
Hypocrisy of GSB bamons velinger came out .. well done radherao.. as a lowercaste hindu .. thanks for letting people of Goa to know that GSB bamon were the puppet of portuguese they grabbed all temples and land by becoming bhatkars and Mahajan of temples with the help of portuguese
@@rajmandrekar9166You're talking about Novas Conquistas following the Pombaline reforms. In the Velhas Conquistas, over 90% of Goans became Catholic and the Brahmins who wanted to remain Hindu had to leave over 100 villages.
Respected Radharao Gracias deserves special mention
Appreciate the peaceful debate. Well said adv Radharao.. Humanity is our religion.
Hats off to Bab Radharao for through study n presenting the facts
Much respect to respected Adv Radharao Gracious for standing up for truth and righteousness, thank you for your valuable time .
Well done Radharao🙏🙏🙏
Thank you Mr. RADHARAO for your explanation and Mr. Subhash for sitting and having a discussion. It's better to dialogue..
For subhash, temple came into existence only in 2012 when kalidas was force to stop trespassing into church property, past so many many years he was robbing coconuts from church property illegally plucking them by taking coconut pluckers that's the reason he is mad now
Radharao Gracias is very knowledgeable and without bias . I hope he writes historical books for posterity. Its a great honor St Joseph Vaz, a Goan is declared a Saint, it has never happened before, and as Saint he is honored and respected in entre Christendom and it is forever. And it is a cause to celebrate for every Goan whether Hindu ,Christians and hopefully, Goa Govt recognizes this immense honor to our native Son of Goa and extends all the help in building a fine Church or Basilica in honor of our native son, who has won us respect and honor and cast aside these petty disputes..
No original chrichan in Goa
@@damodarverekar2659And so? The majority of Goans left Hinduism for Christianity.
Thank you sir Gracias for revealing the truth and the deep knowledge shared.Let us live with peace and harmony.God bless
Subash seems nervous because he is lack of knowledge while Radherao seems confident because of his evidence.
My grandfather being a historian and anthropoligist always in the archieves written
alot of books what our learned
Adv .Radharao has said is the
absolute TRUTH
Very well studied and discussed by Radharao with concrete examples and quoting of laws .
Great news from both sides ... Happy to live like Goans brothers and sisters as one religion one Goa ...
Hats of sir Radharao may God bless you.
Adv. Radharao Gracias was very much guided by the Holy Spirit.
Luke 12:11-12 (NIV)
“When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”
Mr velimker why you not fright for river madai , illegal construction hill cutting ,illegal land and so on ? Please take Good issue ? Good People taking good issue. God bless you velimker and be a good old man ?
Well done Adv Radharao Gracias Hats off to you for hvg more knowledge of Goan History n Culture.
Venlingkar talking about Excavation ????😅😅 we need communal Harmony Mr Velingkar.
Was happy to see a peaceful discussion on this topic.
I was surrounded with 3 banyan trees in my childhood house in Majorda,that means the house was built on the ruins of a temple ? OMG.
Termite gang will now come with coconut and thali in your backyard.
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Fantastic discussion.
it is SAD THAT WERE ARE RELATED BY BLOOD BUT DO NOT TRUST EACH OTHER DUE TO SOME CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. i wish there are more family histories we can uncover to find out common ancestors and thus SHEDTHE MISTRUST AND FIND LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE in each others families. DEV BOREM KORUM!
@@Jr-rp4wbStop lying again. The overwhelming majority of Goans (not "some", over 80% of ethnic Goans are Catholic) dumped Hinduism hard in favour of Christianity.
Hypocrisy of GSB bamons came out .. well done radherao.. as a lowercaste hindu .. thanks for letting people of Goa to know that GSB bamon were the puppet of portuguese they grabbed all temples and land by becoming bhatkars and Mahajan of temples with the help of portuguese
@@Jr-rp4wbAgain, Dharmics need to stop lying about "some" converting when it was the overwhelming majority. And Dharmics need to stay away from Catholics, letting Dharmics into Catholic spaces (e.g. schools) last century only resulted in the dumbing down of Catholic institutions.
Well spoke Advocate Radharao Gracias.
I feel proud to say I have once been to his house for a work purpose. He and his family members are so humble and respectful.
The funniest part was when Jovito
Lopes called out to Velingkar at 53:50 Bab Anton Bab 😂😂😂
Viittal Naik example is best example to explain those who are trying to create issues out of this matter.
And As per law, status quo of religious places must be maintained.
Mr. Subash must avoid misguiding Peace loving Hindus of Goa. And by the way 2012 onwards its BJP in power, so He means to say BJP did not act for giving justice to Hindus while they claim to protect Hindus?
Subash uncle looks confused. Please let it go and let us live in peace. Maintain the status quo as per the law.
you demand status quo , But you wont accept that Portugese converted Hindus...
@@jiti5034And so? Contemporary records have shown that the overwhelming majority of Goans left Hinduism voluntarily because they preferred mleccha firangi leadership to sanskriti Brahmin oppression. Over 70% of Hindus weren't even allowed to enter temples but still had to give forced free labour for upper castes and money for temples.
@@cg8397 Oh so on the bandwagon of Cast politics... then tell me why are there still Casts within Converted Christians! LOL
God bless Advocate Radharao Gracias👏👏🙏✝️👍👌
References given by RG looks meaningful and logical at present day. Hence considering present day, need to maintain harmony and peace in Goa.
Congratulations to adv Gracias ...a mentor to educate others with your intelligent talks.. very brilliant and your education counts adv.gracias..hope everybody take a lesson from you.thanks once again.
Yes Adv. Radharao Gracias spoke with so much of confidence along with evidence. Yes, we are in the 21st century and should move with the times and not dig old stories and disturb the peace and harmony of Goa. Let God put peace in Mr. Velingkar's mind. As rightly said by Mr. Gracias we should stop fighting on religious issues and think of making our country a developed country. Most important our leaders should understand the meaning of this interesting topic. God bless us all.
First of all we thank you for presenting such dialogues in front of every Goans and wishes to show us more because this event resembles the sign of Brotherhood and Peace which the World needs at the moment. Amche ghamand ghevun ravlo zalear "Life has to go on" will not go at all and we will remain behind all the other developing Nations.
No one has power to change one religion to other except god. It’s once wish. I challenge if anyone can change my religion to other.
Excellently explained Advocate Radharao. 👍
Watch from Dubai. Nicely explained by Radharao. Velingkar is talking about 2012 but after that old Goa structure was build by bjp, why he dont talk about it?
political setting re of bjp
Old Goa bungalow illegality was done by BJP national spokesperson Shaina NC and her rich Marwari Jain husband Manish Munot.
Truth always prevails ‼️
It was a pleasure as well as a learning session to me to listen to this Dialogue of Differences. I congratulate both the participants for conducting this exchange of views in a civil , dignified and candid manner. We can not fix the injustices, real or imagined, of the Past but we Can contribute to make the Present a more just, inclusive and prosperous Society. Mr J. Lopes has conducted the interview with remarkable balance and grace, for which I would like to express my appreciation. Thank You.
At the end very nicely said we WORK FOR PEACE. I think this should be addressed faster before these politicians make in an issue.
Lovely discussion
Very highly qualified 👏 Mr radhrao gracious..u nailed it doctor...true goan niz goecar. High respect to u sir
Hats off Adv Radharao Gracias and Sir Jovito
Goa and Goans need communal amity which was sacrosanct and a way of life, needs to be always preserved.
Adv. Gracias has come for the discussion fully prepared with documents of history and law. It is enlightening to hear him with his voice of reason. He has stuck to the topic of discussion and not diverted even once. Wemust have such sane voices for discussions.
Very peaceful..God is awesome
Adv. Gracious got all the proofs of the existing land. Catholics don't unnecessary and without proofs don't grab land like other do and make it as their own without legal proofs. Our God is the living God.
Thank you Sir Gracious....do settle everything peacefully and show them their place and right..God Bless You ABUNDANTLY Sir and St. Joseph Vaz will give you health in Abundance 🙏
Well enlightening facts Advogado Radharao Gracias, God bless.... most indians only think, fight & debate only about religion, building temples etc. etc to divide people for their ultimate selfish evil motives.
we all goans need to move forward in all respects coz history is history and its past ..present day is mystery and future is bonus given to each one of us by GOD ... Mr Velingkar remember God should be loved and adored in each one's heart so let us all learn to live in peace and harmony irrespective of religion & class and concentrate more eagerly on today's burning issues faced by Goans all over & our beautiful State of Goa. Hope better sense prevails .
Best interview Jovit bab, Porbim bab Subhash and Bab Radharao bab, for coming on one platform in the interest of peace
Dr Radharao very well explained and peacefully done debate, proud of you sir.
Congratulations Sir Radharao Gracious for a high level explanation of the facts very well brought out intellectually. Hats of to you Sir, truly appreciate your expression of facts. Goans live peacefully believing in communial harmony. Well said. May the Good Lord bless you for your wonderful expression of facts. Was overjoyed listening to you Sir.
No, Catholic Goans are the only community in India foolish enough to believe every migrant's BS sob story and bend over backwards for every outgroup. It's why they've gone from the overwhelming majority (over 80%) in Goa to a minority in less than a century. Goa is the only state of India where migrants outnumber the natives.
Hats off to Adv Radharao for wise insights.
Today I m catholic. But my ancestors were Hindus. If my ancestors at one point got converted and changed temple into a church and if l m happy with my present religion who is someone to dictate terms to me and asking me to go back to old system .
Adv Radharao Gracias have nicely cleared all the doubts from the minds of all the people and have won the debate.
Mr Radharao Gracias Excellent for your knowledge of history, really I appreciate and respect you. May God Bless you with good health and happiness always. The way you Question and Answer,plus why ? This is enough. Shame on Subash Velaikar ,what knowledge do you have only to divide and hatred between the religions. Hats off to Mr Radharao
The Portuguese in their early conquests had full control of the spice trade that they used to build their empire and churches. Much later came the other European countries to whom they lost much territory and trade. And hence could not maintain all that they had built. So many churches fell to ruin as there was simply no money to maintain them. Please read 'An Historical and Archaeological sketch of the City of Goa' by José da Fonseca
Also later on the Portuguese state became hostile towards to Church, many missionaries and religious orders like the Agustinians were shipped back to Europe and they took away the roofs of many monasteries and churches so that they would be ruined. That's how St. Agustine and Chimbel Monastery are today ruined.
Freemason Pombal first expelled the Jesuits, the deliberate mismanagement by the government that followed led to the institutions the Jesuits had created being closed and turned to ruins. Similar for the other Catholic religious orders following the Liberal takeover in the 1800s.
Radha wants to meet Velingkar again somewhere out of the studio over some cervejas I suppose.
Funny claim by Velingkar when the original decents of the temple themselves claim that the temple was not there.
Does the front piece looks like a temple?
No, it's typical Iberian Baroque architecture. This is why Hindus can't be taken seriously in Goa, their 76.34 IQ always shows itself.
Very well explained by radharao gracias
Kudos to Mr Gracias. Mr Velingkar lacks understanding. Mr Radharao Gracias explained everything legally, historically but it did not penetrate the narrow mind. Wonder how Mr Velingkar is called an educationist!!
There’s a saying the eyes are useless when the mind is blind and Velingkar is a perfect example of this.
He didn't get his job on merit but because of his political connections.
Thanks for explaining it very clearly sir about Catholic Church in sancoal
Very good an excellent debate meaningful dialogue good to know for the upcoming youth adv. Radharao has explained well about this matter
Keep dialoguing you 2 gentlemen..
GOD bless yourll.
Verlingkar is running on emotions, neither on knowledge or evidence.
Well explained Adv. Radarao Gra.Gid Bless you Abundantly.
Very good discussion. Thanks everyone.
Radha Rao Gracious was in touch with goan Historian & Writer late Ramnath Naik and what he narrated in his interview is part of it..!!
@kirannaik7486: t is SAD THAT WERE ARE RELATED BY BLOOD BUT DO NOT TRUST EACH OTHER DUE TO SOME CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. i wish there are more family histories we can uncover to find out common ancestors and thus SHEDTHE MISTRUST AND FIND LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE in each others families. DEV BOREM KORUM!
Hypocrisy of GSB bamons came out .. well done radherao.. as a lowercaste hindu .. thanks for letting people of Goa to know that GSB bamon were the puppet of portuguese they grabbed all temples and land by becoming bhatkars and Mahajan of temples with the help of portuguese
@@Jr-rp4wbIt's not "some" Goans converting to Christianity, the overwhelming majority of Goans left Hinduism.
Im grateful to ccrtv for doing this most controversial debate.❤
WELL EXPLAINED BY RADHARAO.THE CAUSE OF THE CONFLICT WAS THE CASTE SYSTEM IN INDIA WHERE THE PEOPLE WERE DIFFRENCIATED IN KERALA PEOPLE CONVERTED WHEN MUSLIMS CAME AND TREATED THEM LIKE THEIR OWN BROTHERS WHEREAS THE BRAHMINS TOOK BATH 7 TIMES WHEN THEIR SHADOW FELL ON A BRAHMIN
Adv. Gracias has explained this Velingkar so well, yet it is not getting into his thick skull😂
It is because someone from the RSS went inside his skull like a Bluetooth & washed his brain to think only of others destruction which is called brainwashing. He was stunned to know how knowledgeable Radha is as far as Hinduism is concerned.
Everything is not only about law.Sometimes to maintain law and order and peace we have to consider the sentiments of our own people be it Hindu or Catholic.Courts don't come into the picture if people decide amicably and in brotherhood to allow both faiths to practice their faith.That is a win win for both religions.
Now he will find some other issues to disturb Harmony. This man is check mate
it is SAD THAT WERE ARE RELATED BY BLOOD BUT DO NOT TRUST EACH OTHER DUE TO SOME CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. i wish there are more family histories we can uncover to find out common ancestors and thus SHEDTHE MISTRUST AND FIND LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE in each others families. DEV BOREM KORUM!
@@Jr-rp4wbStop lying again, Dharmic Dindoo ghantti. The overwhelming majority of Goans dumped Hinduism hard in favour of Christianity. The constant stream of lies from Hindus (both the Brahmins who are still bitter about losing money and status, and the ghanttis they've been encouraging to flood into Goa to use as minions against the Catholics) means that not a single word from any Dharmic Dindoo mouth is to be trusted.
@@Jr-rp4wbAgain, it wasn't "some" Goans who converted to Christianity but the overwhelming majority. That Hindu Goans got screwed over by their migrant pets doesn't give the toxic losers the right to now try to latch onto the Catholics and try to drag down the Catholics again.
@@Jr-rp4wbIt's not "some" Goans converting to Christianity, the overwhelming majority of Goans left Hinduism.
I appreciate Mr Velingkar for accepting the invitation on this hot topic and waiting for his next move 😊
Brilliant,what advocate Radarao placed before the public.
Nice discussion, there is no winner or loser, one thing we have to keep in mind as Goan that we are peace loving people living in harmony but if such issues crops up then our future generation will not see this peace and harmony. So do not disturb our harmony for our political mileage
No, Goans are gullible people who believe every migrant's fake sob story and bend over backwards for every outgroup. It's why Goa is the only state where migrants outnumber natives, and the native Catholic majority (over 80% of ethnic Goans are Catholic) is now a minority in its own native land.
I want to ask this velingkar,since he is talking about history of goa, if he says that he is a goan then he is a gaunkar of which village of goa? Because before Portuguese rule started in goa there were only gaunkars staying in goa an all temples of goa were built by gaunkars an non gaunkars who our ancestors referred them as ghatis had no right to enter those temples forget about building a temple.
Velingkar is not a gaonkar, but from kollvont community (his origin is Brahmin men exploiting Hindu widows and making the resulting offspring into hookers and temple servants).
Hats off to Dotor Radharao thank you for all informative massage to shubhas n all Rss
Hindus God bless you Dotor😊😊
rss hindu ?? mg tu kon Portuguesachi kadhleli aulad
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Im grateful to ccrtv for doing this most controversial debate.❤ Also Dotor Radharao Gracias showered good facts .
Hey Radha well done very good advice given
Mr. Velingkar said. That whatever portuguese did should not stand.. then i challenge Mr . Velingkar to scrap portuguese Mahajan Act and give temple committee access to all hindus of goa by keeping aside caste.
Doctor Radhrao well spoken full of confidence..Bravo.
We want a debate on old Goa bungalow as well
We should have the Old Goa Illegal Bunglow debate as well - The RGP's top leader and mlas brothers was involved directly with govt Authorities to claim Sancoale Church properties with Vaigankar hence you want to stop this debate. Sir please think twice whenever we support the wrong Party that back stabbed you & me.
Wonderful sharing proud of you All three
I have a friend from Sri Lanka, when I told him that I'm from Goa he directly took the name of St Joseph Vaz. I felt Very happy when he said so, people from out of Goa respect and praise the son of Goan soil. And what happens to the people who lives in Goa. Thank You Dr Radarao Sir you explained nicely. I hope so Mr Velingkar won't put fight's between religion and Goans. We Goans are happy let us all stay happy together
Bro, a prophet is not recognised in his own land !
We should present facts and shut the hatérs mouth
@@Christopherbenjamin71 Ur right bro. Even Jesus was criticised in his own home land
@@Christopherbenjamin71fact is that velingkar GSB bamon and majority of Cristian in Goa are originally from GSB bamon community as radhrao explained. You'll sell your religion for greed of land and temples by becoming bhatkars and Mahajan of temples in front of portuguese
@@rajmandrekar9166Stop lying again. Velingkar is NOT a Bamonn, he's from kollvont (kalawantin) community now called Gomantak Maratha Samaj. The majority of Goans who left Hinduism were also not Bamonns for the simple reason that the majority of Goans weren't Bamonns (Bamonns were, and still are, less than 5% of the population).
@@cg8397 truth won't change that majority of bamons converted to Christianity thats why they left 5% now 😂 .
Very very good interaction, please stay united
Very enlightened and fruitful dialogue.both Radha and Velingkar to be commended for coming together on one platform for peace.