SCAM or LEGIT? We test an 'Online Recording Studio' with our New Song
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
- In this video we show you the making of our new single 'CATALINA' and take you behind the scenes with 'The Online Recording Studio' as they transform our demo into a polished release.
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ABOUT KEPPIE
Hi I'm Keppie! I'm a professional songwriter, and songwriting teacher. I've been teaching song and lyric writing for over 10 years now for some of the best contemporary music colleges in the world- Berklee Online, the Sydney Conservatorium of Music's Open Academy, as well as for the Australian College of the Arts. At other times, I've taught for the Australian Institute of Music, as well as the LA School of Songwriting.
My goal is to help people write better songs! My experience in the classroom, with thousands of students at this point (many going on to find careers and success in music), is that your songwriting, like all things, can get better with meaningful, deliberate practice. My intention is to share the skills, knowledge, information, and ideas that I've gathered with anyone who wants to improve their songwriting.
Keppie's music is here:
www.keppiecouttsmusic.com/music
ABOUT BENNY
Hi I'm Benny. My passion for music and creativity stretches across multiple disciplines and art-forms. I am a founding member and songwriter / lap-slide guitarist for one of Australia's best and most bearded country-bluegrass-folk bands, THE GREEN MOHAIR SUITS. To date the Mohairs have released 4 full-length albums and tour both nationally and overseas.
I am also the Founder and Head Producer of SILAMOR STUDIOS, a boutique studio specialising in Composition for Film, TV and Interactive Media. I write extensively across various instrumental and lyric-based genres and has been commissioned for major projects by Adobe, Cathay Pacific and Audible. I currently release original songs under the name SILAMOR.
I am also passionate about education and have taught song and lyric writing as well as film composition for JMC Academy, Collarts and the Australian Institute of Music. I design and regularly facilitate workshops on creative process and innovation.
Links to Bennny's music are here:
The Green Mohair Suits
open.spotify.com/artist/7M3Zf...
SILAMOR
open.spotify.com/artist/5HOpa...
www.silamor.com/music 
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I worked with TORS on my latest single, and I cannot wait to work with them again on my next project. Their professionalism is unparalleled, they are in constant communication, and really strive to serve the song and Artist to their best ability. I had so much fun working with them, and honestly can't believe how quickly they were able to bring life to my track.
If you're even thinking about working with Joe and the TORS team, don't hesitate!! You will NOT be disappointed!
Thanks Desiree - we loved working with you! Excited to start on your next song 🎶
I've been working with TORS (Online Recording Studio) for over a year now and I'm completely satisfied. I'm already on my 5th project with Juan (sound engineer / producer) 👍
That's great to hear, Jean-Michel. It's a pleasure working with you!
We used the online recording studio first our first 6 tracks! These guys are seriously passionate about supporting artists to take their music from their lounge to the world. We now have tracks playing on worldwide radio ❤ love TORS. Give them a go for sure 😊
Thanks guys - we loved working with you too!
DID NOT expect $800. Production is what keeps a lot of great songs stuck on hard drives. Exciting concept I’ll definitely be testing soon.
Love TORS! My experience at TORS was the best - just recently released an album (well last year in May but still promoting it lol) and they helped produce 60% of the album. This was my first time doing this and they really helped bring my ideas to life, at an affordable rate. They also helped me advertise my first single with such an impactful ad. TORS has given me the tools and confidence to keep writing more songs. Joe was great in guiding me through the process and all the instruments I’d need. Then helped place me with some great producers. All in all a great experience! Go TORS!!
Thanks Ndidi - we really appreciate it. It was awesome working with you too!
I love the Online Recording Studio team 🥰 they know what’s up!!!
Thanks Izze - we love working with you too!
Wow! Great stuff! I just recently talked to Joe & was able to use the 10% discount from being a part of one of your Songwriting Workshops. The wheels are now turning & the anticipation of getting my first song professionally produced is palpable. Love your single, by the way!
We're excited to be working with you, Ford!
Incredible value for money. And what I really liked was the body language of the players -- they seemed to really get into the groove and enjoy playing the song (hell, I would too, it's a corker!). That Englishman, Danny Beck, seemed totally invested in the project. So impressed with the real human touch all round; and at just something over a grand in Australian money. Amazing.
I've been recording with TORS for a while now, and the experience is amazing. All songs will come out later this year and I am a happy singer-songwriter.
They are very kind, professional, listen to what YOU want as an artist and help a lot with the next step in releasing your songs(like they explain in the video).
Just have a meeting with them and you will see yourself :)
Happy to have met this people.
Much love .
Clouds of Ilias
Thanks - It's a pleasure working with you too!
I recorded a song with TORS and I enthusiastically recommend it! Setting up the process with Joe was streamlined and professional. Dan “Barracuda” was the producer. He was a quick study, understood the style and sound I was looking for, provided attention to detail, and did outstanding work. Communication was great throughout the process. I am very happy with the track!
Thank you! It was great working with you too! Excited for the next song 🎵
Keppie! Benny! i got goose bumps from this song, it's your best, incredible lyrically and in every other way!!! i'm so proud of you guys wow! listened on Spotify love the final result!
I am recording with TORS and so far it is an amazing experience and result, extremely fast, efficient, creative, professional team, common sense and warm attitude, support, great musicians and a talented producer Dan Barracuda that I am working with. You send your demo, have a conversation about your expectations and they respectfully take your song to a professional sound, unless you ask for the assessment and they offer additional guidance. It is not a problem at all to handle the process online, they are well connected and organized through video calls, emails etc. Totally recommended, friends 😊💛
Thanks Eyrin - we really appreciate it! It's such a pleasure working with you.
Excellent video both for the exposure to Online Recording Studio as a creative option, and an awesome song! I have added Catalina to my playlist.
TORS is absolutely phenomenal! Turned my first song ever into a creation I could never imagine :) definitely worth it if you’re a beginner and have no idea what you’re doing but just want to get something out and start the journey!
Thanks Kali! We love working with you too!
Great content... and I love your "Catalina" song!
Wow! I love the song! Thank you for this insight of using a company to for this purpose. I was impressed! It totally removed the fear of giving something like this a chance. Great results.
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Beautifully written and performed song. I absolutely love your videos and they are super helpful. They've inspired me to find my authentic voice once again, priceless, so thank you for that. In the future I'd love to see a video on how to structure a Singer-Songwriter's Album delving into the different types of songs that can be used, much love x
Phenomenal! Using the service!
Great info! Thanks!
Hi Keppie! (Hello hello after a while. It’s been busy.) I’ve known Joe for a couple of years now and have worked with a couple of TORS (Online Recording Studio) producers!! ☺️ I can confirm that they are a great team and they match artists with producers well - all my self releases are under them. Haven’t worked with Danny but I’ve heard good things about him. Nice to see different areas of my world meet! 😆
So for those who want to get their songs produced, I highly recommend TORS. They do all genres of music and can transform a simple vocal over piano/guitar to full band/electronic/etc! (Produced demos are nice to have, but not essential, for them.) I have learnt a significant bit on rewriting songs too with songs to make the production feel like it’s meant for the song working with TORS, just like what you said in the video! Happy to hear you have nothing but good things to say about them!!
Thanks Kamae - We have loved working with you over the last few years!
What a cool service! I’ll be keeping this in mind. I’ve been playing my own bass parts and trying to learn electronic music production but I’m not very good🤣
I am completely blown away by how good this was. $800 US is a bargain for the results, outstanding!
It really is great! I wonder how that pencils out for Danny once Online Recording Studio takes their cut, and the musicians get paid- seeing as how Danny seems to have spent a lot of hours on this. I have a sneaking suspicion Danny got paid far less for his time than a Starbucks barista. But of course, I hope that isn't the case!
@leeneuman6966 That's great to hear! So glad you like the track. Danny did a great job with what was already an excellent song from Keppie and Ben.
What a lovely song and great arrangement.
Oh what a great song you guys are so real. I dont like to put genres on music really but i love the country rock feel to it, and the rundown on the remote recording is great THANK YOU Dean
As a songwriter this opens a whole new world of choices!! Love how the demo developed into something great !! For me, seeing as i'm not a guitarist & a fairly amateur keyboard player, i use the latest versions of "Band In A Box" which has real instrument samples played by session musicians!! The only downfall here is you do need a producer to guide you - to get the best out of your song. But this was a GREAT video. Thanks!!
That's great! And that's some beautiful song!
This really sounds fantastic. I wonder if you send Danny a demo to start the conversation about the song? If yes, was it just a guitar and vocals or a more worked out demo? I am just thinking about what basic information of the song these guys need to into make a choice for the right producer, musicians etc. Your song sounds really really good. Nothing can beat the sound of real musicians who are capable of playing their instrument. Have to say that I also love a combination of real instruments and electronics 😀 Thanks for taking this new approach in music production. Kind regards from Berlin.
Thanks for your support Stephan, glad you like the track. The demo we sent to Danny was Guitar and vocals only - all the drum, bass and piano parts came from Danny and the session players
Nice Wrexham shirt
Interesting video. I watched the whole thing out of curiosity (and enjoyed hearing your song). But more interested in videos on the topic of How to WRITE Songs.
I was so excited to hear that you are based in Sydney. I am a songwriter based in Sydney also and love your videos. I have a rapid song writing and creation process that I have developed over the years which is all done using garage band. I call in a live drummer from fiver when I need and I have my mixer masterer who is based in the US. End product is great
Woah, this is amazing! And your song gorgeous. Didn't quite get, did you sing along with them live via Zoom when the session was recorded with the musicians?!
Glad you like the track! It was great working with Benny and Keppie. They recorded their vocals once we had created the backing track and sent them over to us, it wasn't done at the same time - that's just for the video!
@@theonlinerecordingstudio I reckoned, great! Really intrigued by this opportunity, might just inspire to get the writing goin 😍
Congratulations!!! That sounded great!!! Just downloaded 😊Been watching you guys for some time now. You have an inspiring channel!!!
Wow. This opens up posibilities that i NEVER thought were possible!
Maybe not now, financially I'm not in a good place... But someday...
I WILL DO THIS!
i have LOTS of ideas that i think will fly.
THANK YOU for this! You've really opened my eyes, and my brain!
👍 👌 🤪
Outstanding...I think I'll be doing some more research on this company as it may work wonders for my projects!!
Thanks for this video and recommendation. I will be watching this again and looking into "Online Recording Studio". You two are super.
Have never heard of TORS before but this does seem incredible! Im 100% the target audience for this 😅 will def be checking into this more!
I'll be working on my 7th and 8th songs with TORS at the end of this month. They have made the sound that I dreamed of accessible and fun. One of my more dynamic pieces, I described to my producer (Danny Liam Kehlenbek) as 007 meets Clint Eastwood Western. The desired drama and intensity was brought.
That's much appreciated Mike! Its great working with you too.
So, how much to get Keppie to sing for us??? The yodel always grabs me...
you've been so inspirational to me - thank you! x :)
I learned how to play guitar, bass, drums, etc so that I could produce my own music. This seems easier but probably much more expensive.
Love the song!
Sounds amazing!
Wow, That was quite amazing...something like this could truly revolutionize the industry...which sure does need it! Perhaps, in time, AI might even come into play to facilitate music production even more. As it stands, this concept is brilliant!
Glad you liked it! Benny and Keppie were a pleasure to work with and we're really proud of what we created together. Definitely an interesting thought about AI. Several generative AI tools are popping up that can do some of this but we find that people like working with a real person. That authentic collaboration and chemistry isn't something that AI can effectively do...YET! 😂
@@theonlinerecordingstudio No matter what comes of it I would rather work with a human at the helm.
Neat video. I guess I have taken growing up in Nashville for granted. These services are all over the place here. Definitely more than 800. I actually know people who prefer to use overseas sessions players because it cheaper and your demo don’t sound like every Nashville sound studio. Glad you posted this video.
I love your videos
Sometimes the world drops things into your lap at just the right time. This is one of those times. I have an AI song with my lyrics I love. Gonna check it out. Thanks ❤
Definitely check TORS/Online Recording Studio out if you have some money to spare (been a satisfied customer for a couple of years now). I think that beyond production, you may get ideas along the process to make your song better - for example, there have been a couple of instances where I rewrote parts of my songs (sometimes chopping off a significant bit of lyrics in my original demos to give way to the production) while producing with TORS to make the production carry the story when words cannot!
@@kamaehamae thanks for that!
amazing.
I loved the song!
Glad you like it!
I wonder how much the cost could come down (a lot?) if the process were kept in the digital realm, using things like EZDrummer, EZBass, etc. (or more upscale VSTis).
@alexissongsforyou We do offer some electronic options that are cheaper than using the real thing. Please feel free to book a consultation using the link if you are interested in finding out more about that. 👍
$800 USD for that quality PLUS the amount of time the producer spent on programming and re-programming etc..... is a BARGAIN!!!!!!
I have to admit, as a songwriter and producer who eventually went all the way and learned producing and built a small but competent studio in my own house… I can’t quite see how they make money doing this. But hey, for non-recording, non-producing songwriters, this sounds amazing.
@@PeranMe Definitely. Around 2007/8 I recorded a complete CD (11 Songs). The Producers owned their own studio and were multi instrumentalists; They pretty much did everything except Mastering at a cost of $900 - $1300 per day.
They worked very fast, so were able to finish the project in around 15 days. The end product sounded AMAZING, but years later I realized the songs themselves could've used some tweaking. The benefit of "hindsight" I guess.
So $800 per song.?.. yikes. I have 92 origials to record.
92 x $800??😢😢
Thanks! We try to balance affordability for independent artists with ensuring our producers/session players are fairly compensated for their work. It's all about making it sustainable for everyone involved. 🎸
How did you track the vocals? Were those done locally? What mic, vocal processing chain was used?
Hi, thank you very much for this video. But do they take on royalties afterwards (like percentage on the composition side, and master side) or it's just a one time payment? Thank you
No, they don't take any royalties, the songwriter/s keep 100%
@@htws I had the same q, that's shocking since they did write multiple instrumental parts!
@@htws Thanks a lot. Your vids are really awesome.
Keppie/Benny, where did you record the vocals? Your home studio? You mention the incredibly low cost of ~$800 USD, but for many people wouldn't they have to add in renting a professional recording studio (with proper mics etc.) for vocals? Please reply, thanks!
Oh!! Love it…
If I only had the money $$
Do you have to split royalties for that, since they are producing?
no, 100% of the royalties stay with the songwriter/s
All of our artists retain 100% ownership of both the Master and the Publishing!
As a songwriter, how much should we master the groove and how much should that be left to the instrumentalists? How can I develop my sense of groove?
Does that $800USD include mixing and mastering? Did you get the stems as well?
Yes, that price included mixing and two bounced versions, one mastered and one unmastered. With regards to stems we were given the instruments and vocal tracks as two seperate files. For reference, the version we released is the mix exactly as it came back from the studio.
🤔Interesting
The song sounds great!
I'm a bit concerned that with all that work on Danny's part AND paying out musicians, it only came to $800 USD, that Danny is not really getting payed fairly for his skill and talent - unless Danny spent less than 10 hours total. It's also pretty likely that the Online Recording Studio company took a cut, further reducing Danny's pay.
I'm not criticising y'all - and I'm glad you tried this out and got such great results.
Just, as a producer/engineer/musician, I'm concerned about the Uber/AirBnB-ification of producing music.
I'm very much in favour of keeping things affordable for indy songwriters and musicians. I'm also a fan of people getting paid a living wage, and not encouraging a race to the bottom, pay-wise.
Thanks for the great videos and tips!
Before long, those concerns will be irrelevant. AI technology will soon be doing all of this in 10 minutes…
@seanflora Great to hear that you like the song, Sean! We totally hear you and your concerns about a race to the bottom are completely valid. We totally agree.
Sites like Fiverr and SoundBetter, where producers/creatives have to bid for jobs, whilst also having to pay to bid for those jobs, encourage a race to the bottom as creatives are made to compete with everyone else on the platform. This often means that talented producers end up having to do a lot more for a lot less in order to build up their profiles, get consistent work, and ensure that they are not undercut by other users. Plus, they have to spend a large chunk of their time trying to get new work, rather than being able to focus on the bit that they do best and enjoy the most - actually making great music!
At TORS, we solve these problems. Producers have set rates for their projects, so never need to negotiate on their pay or drop their rates to secure their projects with us. We also ensure that they have a consistent flow of new artist projects to work on and we handle all the administration around those tracks. This means that producers have consistent work at their set rates, without having to worry about finding new clients, handling administration, spending money to pitch for jobs, or needing to race to the bottom.
We want to make sure that music production is sustainable for both artists and producers for years to come!
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$800 is an amazing cost for an entire song recorded mixed and mastered.
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I would also recommend Colin Leonard’s Aria Mastering Services in Atlanta, GA. He manually masters songs for the major releases but has set up a fully automated analog service using servo motors. It’s a very cost-effective way to keep your music in the analog realm for Mastering.
A Wrexham Fc loving producer?!? He's the one for me!!!
That's our Danny!
Are you guys actually releasing this? Most songwriters cant achieve the level of vocals like you guys have here, so it would have been cool to hear any vocalists the producer would have used.
Yep, we just released it - sptfy.com/QF9B
@@htws Its excellent! 🙂
I understand this... And I love the song btw!... Sounds great!... I thought this was gonna be an AI thing.
But if there are young songwriters out there with $800 and no recording facilities, even very basic.... Get that first!.... of which $800 would cover. The learning experience of making demo's is kinda valuable if god forbid.... your dreams actually come true, and you become a recording artist. ;).
They used their own vox though, that kinda suggests they expect people engaging with the service to have access to decent recording facilities. Also she does acknowledge the price at the end of the video as being a lot but less than alternatives.
I’d say that with TORS (working with them - I’m a happy customer for years who happen to also subscribe to this channel), you only need a decent mic and a good enough room. Their producers are well-equipped in making your vocals sound good. It obviously won’t be a top-end recording since you need a mic that is at least a couple of thousand dollars for that, but it is good for the price and the people listening won’t care unless they compare your song to a major label one! For starters, something like a Rhode NT1 is good enough.
@daysleeper3910 Glad you like the song. You're absolutely right that artists without any equipment should focus on getting at least a basic home recording setup as a first priority. Working on demos and experimenting with recording is a valuable experience for any songwriter. Once you are feeling more familiar/confident in recording demos, that's the time to get in touch with us!
@@kamaehamae Thanks Kamae - we love working with you!
@@theonlinerecordingstudio Thanks for that. I started out my journey on an old tascam 4 track in about 1988....and it has taken me all over the world!....
Just to be clear, I wasnt knocking it!. And it seems like you guys do really quallity work.
I pray I become one of the biggest songwriter
You should pray you win the lottery. Your chances are about the same.
@@alancrapo2881 songwriting is what I want
Do it for the love of writing, not for the fame
mmm bizarre!
The issue I have with this video is that it's not clear whether it's a paid advert or not. Nothing wrong if it is, but it's not clear and in my mind that's a big prerequisite to a video like this which looks like a big advert. Other than that - nice song and great channel as usual.
i second this. Thought it was a great video, but its kinda important to know if this is paid promotion or not.
Hey there! A totally valid query! We weren't paid to make the video - TORS offered to produce a track of ours for free to allow us to test out the service. We have a strict policy of only ever promoting or presenting a product or service that we ourselves would use, or is of genuine value and service to our community. Because we went through the process, and loved the outcome, we decided to release the video (and the song)! We earn a small commission on the first booking that anyone makes through the link we've provided. Hope that clarifies!
@@htws thanks for replying - especially since it's not sponsored, I would put the fact more upfront to give the review more credibility. Well done again for the very interesting channel!
@@htws thanks for clarifying :)
$800 is still too expensive for most, and honestly, it wasn't that much better than getting a few buddies into a garage with a Zoom 8 track. If it's a good song, you can make it work with a vocal and guitar or piano. Put your money in a cookie jar for that vintage Martin.
I tend to agree. I own a Zoom r16 recorder. It does an amazing job. My goal is to learn to record myself in my home studio.
It might take awhile to "master" it but hey itll save me a TON of money.
@@michellemonet4358 God bless the child that's her own
is australian music music?
If Danny and his collaborators really put as much work into this as suggested here, and it cost you a total of $800, the math simply isn’t mathing. This can’t possibly be a viable business model for them. Which, frankly, makes me pretty suspicious that you got an amazing deal that they would never be able to replicate for any job that wasn’t specifically a PR exercise for them. $800 wouldn’t even cover the session musicians.
Im curious about this too. Hmmm
Hey @fromchomleystreet - it's absolutely a valid question to raise and great to see that it still matters to people that artists should be paid fairly for their work!
For context, TORS has been running for nearly 8 years and we've had the pleasure of Danny being one of our producers for 4. Based on the volume of projects that we are working on at any one time, we ensure that everything is sustainable for everyone involved. It's about balancing affordability for independent artists with ensuring that the creatives from TORS are being properly paid for the work they are doing.
If you are interested in finding out more about how we work, we'd love to chat! Please feel free to book some time using the link in the video description and we will look forward to speaking with you.
800$ is still on higher side. Try to find such services from India.
or not
@@user-rr3by4bp2q Why not?
@@user-rr3by4bp2q Why not?
This will 100% be AI in a year or less
NOT a good thing !!
Am I to understand from this video that it's normal for the final recording to not include any of you actually playing any of the instruments? That its normal for "songwriting" to be only vocals and some chords and other musicians write and play every thing else? For example the piano and bass and drums are all created and played by someone else?
I've learned a lot about songwriting from this channel, but it seems weird to me, idk
Great question! It's actually very typical for songwriters to not play instruments on their tracks. Many songwriters also play an instrument so will play on their songs but there are loads of excellent songwriters who just focus on lyrics - sometimes not even the chords/melodies. We're here to help songwriters with whatever they need!
When we use real musicians in London (or elsewhere, remotely), are the musicians then entitled to royalties based on where and how often the final recorded performance is played? Is there a U.K.-valid contract we sign before starting to work with TORS? If so, are there any conflicts between their contract document(s) and U.S.A. laws?
I have a hard time believing this only cost $800.
Come and see for yourself! If you're interested in working on a track, we'd love to help. You can book a consultation using the link in the video description. 👍
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$800 is EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS to me. If that doesn’t lighten your pocket, good luck.
love the song love the lyrics ,but to me there is just to much going on with the music. It over shadows the lyrics, I had to really focus to get the whole picture.
Scam.. and please... this is not revolutionary unless your out of touch on working with remote/online production...
There is nothing amazing, unique, special, or new about this. It’s a marketing trick. You’re hiring a producer/etc., and musicians, etc. i.e. whatever…. You making a video making it out to be anything other than I stated is a joke.