Deliberate Friendly Fire
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War is all about eliminating the enemy before he gets a chance to eliminate you.
Throughout History, during conflicts and rebellions and wars, it has not been unusual for soldiers to be killed by their own side, either deliberately or by accident.
Friendly Fire or Fratricide relates to “accidental damage by allied troops to one’s own installations, aircraft, or personnel.” Friendly accidents that result in the deaths of fellow soldiers, often also referred to as a blue on blue incident, can happen quite easily, even in modern warfare where highly sophisticated weapons and reconnaissance equipment are involved. Friendly Fire has always been commonplace in warfare and will, unfortunately, continue to occur.
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I had the privelage to know an English korean war vet. He said the yanks used to mortar quite near to them a lot. Every time they went to command and complained, nothing happened, one day however, the yanks mortared too close and killed a 19 year old boy, the unit decided enough was enough and to take matters into their own hands by firing back with their own howitzers. he didn't tell me whether they hit or missed, but he said the yanks never fired their mortars near them ever again.
Heard a similar story from my English grandfather in Austria Post WW2. Americans shelled a village in the middle of a ravine for no reason killing several innocents. A small explosion very close to the US camp put a stop to it.
Edit: I'm not having a go at America nor am I singing the praises of the Brits. Absolute nutcases getting offended over nothing in this comments section lol
Story from a friend, think he sad it was Afganistan but could have been Iraq. Had to call in air support but there was no British aircraft in the area. Was hoping for a helicopter, but the Americans instead sent a big bomber that nearly killed them and killed everyone else in the area including civilians.
I'm sorry to hear about that, man. We've had our share of idiots in the US armed forces over the years. We even killed or badly wounded our own guys on at least several occasions in World War II, because shelling was so off. Terrifying to say the least.
@@thunderbird1921 you don't even have to look too far back to see it. Desert storm had it'd fair share of blue on blue engagements. Notably 2 A10s strayed British warrior ifv and American abrams had quite a few blue on blues
@@quantumsniper9433 Hence why I said "over the years". I've heard claims that American forces accidentally killing each other was nearly as deadly as the Iraqis in that war in 1991. I really don't know what the answer is, but something has to be changed (during the Korean War, American, British and other UN forces all put white stars on their tanks and other vehicles for clear identification, perhaps some marking could be done for aerial views or something?).
A very disturbing friendly fire incident was described in the WW2 memoire "With the Old Breed" by USMC veteran Eugene Sledge. During the battle of Peleliu, Marines were taking up positions in a heavily defended swamp one night. One Marine woke up screaming as he had lost his mind. Despite giving him morphine, punching him and trying to talk him down, the Marine kept screaming and thrashing, thinking the other Marines were Japanese troops. Not wanting their positions to be given away, someone hit him with an entrenching shovel to knock him out, but the sharp edge of the shovel went into his skull and killed him instantly. Everyone unanimously agreed it was better he was killed than risk everyone else's life and the murder wasn't too seriously questioned.
U.S. soldiers bitterly fought against Canadian soldiers in WW2 where over a hundred Americans were killed and several dozen Canadians were killed in a weak-long battle where each side thought the other side were the Japanese. After the friendly-fire battle, it was determined that there were no Japanese within hundreds of miles.
Huh..
So that's what that NCIS episode was all about. To think it was a real event..
[Edit] Someone asked, Ill post here too.
NCIS Season 2, Episode 7, "Call of Silence" [Edit]
Well, such is war.
@@garypulliam3740 I guess Kyska island?
that was also a scene in the HBO show the pacific aswell
@@garypulliam3740 If your talking about the alsakan one it only lasted about 2 hours and only 3 canadians died and 11 americans died..
Those officers that were unpopular and died to their own troops never heard of Sun Tzu's "Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death."
"Like your children, beat them to make them work harder."
Sun tzu also wrote to rule by fear in order to break in an army which would not listen. His methods were barbaric and involved beheading appointed team leaders until everyone was fearful of insubordination. This type of leading is what ironically leads to the highest level of dissolution. Trust me while he had good points, his leadership was not one of them.
@@pure_zed Well his leadership was very good actually. To some extent your men need to fear you. They need to fear you in a healthy way so that mutany wouldn’t be as common. At the same time you want to treat them with respect, so that they see a leader who understands them.
@@Breakaway-ic5gj lol
@@dominus6224 while I agree that fear is a factor in leading to good leadership, it is not always the case, especially in our day and age. I still think that his style of leadership was not perfect and he even wrote proudly about his beheading story of leadership. The army he produced would not last long, as leading by fear can tire your troops quickly because they may not focus on the tasks at hand, which is evident through high rates of desertion when compared to ruling by faith in a common goal or loyalty. This is my opinion anyways, I believe for the wars he fought where blood shed was common, leadership styles relating to fear were more necessary because loyalty holds less value if the same person is unlikely to fight in 2 wars.
There was an incident in Vietnam when a company of LRPs(later Rangers) got a new commander who tried to run the company by the book. Daily formations and inspections etc. He also tried to run their missions from the basecamp instead of allowing the team leader in the field to run it. One day he came out of his hooch and stepped on a "toe popper" mine. It was officially determined to be the work of VC sappers.
thanks for naming the incident
those goddamn VC sappers. stay woke guys
I don't understand why you would be so "by the book" when it's widely known that the most effective soldiers completely throw it out
Just look at SOG or Delta Force
@@Khorne_of_the_Hill From what i understand (i may be mistaken on a few things), new officers or commanders would often be trained in the US and then sent to Vietnam, so they would understand basic standard procedures and warfare, while not understanding that wasnt the way in 'Nam.
Infortunally either due to Pride (from being higher rank) or Ignorance (not fully understanding) or a combination of both, they often didnt last long compared to the people who had actual experience but were lower ranking.
@@peterwhite6415 I'm sure that's true, my point is they should've been trained to adapt and improvise new tactics for new situations
One problem with Vietnam was the so called "90 day wonder". Young officers that had never seen combat being put charge of battle harden soldiers. These young go by the book officers tended to get people killed. In Vietnam you had to throw away the book if you wanted to live. There is a scene in a movie that shows just how this worked. This new young officer gets off a helicopter. No one salutes him. He gets all mad and demands he be saluted. They salute him and down he goes. A sniper was just waiting for an officer to shoot and he found one. He went back on the same chopper he came in on. This kind of stuff happened a lot.
Yikes. I've read similar in other comments elsewhere.
One was that Allied officers jn the field deliberately got their combat uniforms dirty and helmets scratched and battered as to make identification difficult.
Another was a newbie tank commander who got shot in the hip by what his crewmate warned were German snipers in the woods after he decided it was great to take a look outside his commander's hatch.
Yeah...that was common bread in Nam i remember that scene in Forest Gump when Forest and Bubba meet Lt.Dan the first thing desperatly ask is not get saluted cuz the snipers in the trees
what's the movie?
@@templefire7000 Can not remember for sure but I think it was 'SIEGE OF FIREBASE GLORIA'
@@davidhenderson3400 Yeah, that was definitely it. I remember watching the movie the first time couple years ago on cable. If I remember right, the officer in charge of the Firebase was high on drugs, playing cards with the other officers and couldn't give two cents about the grunts until the senior officer (R. Lee Ermey) arrived and took charge after coming up an idea to replace the current officer through some "unorthodox" method by staging a fake attack and cause an injury. I never heard this term "90 day wonder," but now I'm definitely looking this up.
There's a Vietnam vet that my grandpa knew who "tripped" and "accidentally" shot his officer, killing him, after his group was ordered to march toward a very large group of NVA which they thought was a suicide mission. After he died they walked back to base.
killing an officer who was ordered to lead a group to a suicide mission wouldn't really accomplish much, especially since that would just get the entire group in serious trouble or killed
@@eaglex.thomaston182 that's why they all claimed it to be an accident so they didn't get in as serious of trouble and only the one who "tripped" and shot him was really the only one that could be blamed. There wasn't anyone above that officer with them so they head back to base. Even if they were sent back to patrol down the same path they likely would be delayed enough to not run into the NVA detachment.
wasnt the officers fault tho, he gets his orders from up too..
Edit: typo
@@mr.c6324 what are the higher ups going to do? Piss off a bunch of angry men with guns who are willing to kill their superiors even more?
The commander who ordered Hamburger Hill to be taken got a 10,000$ bounty on his head within the army and multiple attempts were made.
Orders aren't godly decrees lmao
@中国的主人 completely different context but ok. Gotta bring em nazis to everythin lmao
I remember someone telling a story from his grandma about how her husband had fought in The Great War. He was serving under a coward and incompetent lieutenant who would order a daring charge, only to hide under a crater. Eventually, one of his men threw a grenade at the hole and carried on.
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I've seen a black&white footage of WW2 Japanese Banzai charge against American soldiers.. Their officer leads from the front! The one holding his Katana on top of his head ready to hack and slash. Sadly all died within a few seconds from the BAR M1 Garand firing...
@@LKH9Channel Bayonet Charge > Banzai/Katana Charge
@sandir toukaev lol, sampled like RUclips Shorts
@@LKH9Channel link ?
They will still say its a "prank" bro
So... the "psychotic prankster" achievement in Fallout came from British soldiers in WWI, who in a disagreement with their NCO, reverse pickpocketed a live grenade into his inventory.
Legends.
we can start fragging soon once WW3 broke out
"War does not determine who is right, only who is left." - Bertrand Russell
Does this imply the Na$is plan was right then
@@CornPop2 You clearly didn’t understand the quote
Fact
@@CornPop2 @whoosh
Ben Shapiro would like to know you location
My grandfather told me the story of when he went to do is military service, which was mandatory here in France. There was this officer that liked messing with him, and disliked him for some reason. One night, my grandpa was affected to guard a hangar, in which were placed all of the bases bed sheets on lines for them to dry. So, there is this huge hangar and my grandfather watching over it, when in the middle of the night, there’s this guy sneaking in. My grandpa sees him, recognize his officer. Before this guy realizes, gramp takes his rifle by the cannon and smack his officer in the face with the butt. The man end up knocked unconscious, and when the others arrive to see what’s the commotion, my grandpa explains to them he warned the guy to identify himself, which he ignored so he went straight to violence (obviously there was no first steps to this story except straight fking vengeance) . He told me that after this incident, the officer kept himself from bullying though I highly doubt he liked my grandfather any more than prior to this.
I think I would have liked 👍 having a drink 🍸 with your grandfather 👴 🤣
I like that, no nonsense and straight to the point.👍
It's actually within the US militaries handbook to do that actually, I doubt your grandfather got into any serious trouble, as technically he had every right to shoot the officer dead since the officer didn't identify himself and the assumption could've been made that he was an enemy attempting sabotage.
Your granpa is really cool
I'm pretty sure this didn't happened. After all he is officer and your grandpa is private. I'm pretty sure officer would make sure your grandpa regret what he did.
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Had a great uncle that fought in WW2. Was Canadian with British commander. They were to take a bridge, with a German machine gun on the other side. The British officer wanted the men to march four abreast across the bridge. They were getting torn to pieces, my uncle was in line to march across when that officer was shot in the back of the head. As soon as that happened the second in charge pulled everyone back. That night they snuck through the river and took the machine gun out without losing another man.
Carlos Hathcock address this breifly in his book. Telling tales of how you didn't want to be an officer that 'accidentally' frogot to turn in his hand grenade. He spoke of how common it was for disgruntled men to toss them under an officers tent flap late at night. Spooky stuff.
Fragging is hilarious tbh
@@kishascape edgy
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@@kishascape What makes it funny? Like what is the comedic value in fragging? Explain to me, because i've never heard a joke about that tbh
@@mynameisjeff6988
"Remember private, hearts and minds!"
*Private tosses frag into building*
"Sir, I think there's hearts and minds everywhere now! Do I get a commendation, sir?"
And now you've heard a joke about a frag. YW
It would be interesting to see just how many friendly fire incidents were due to grunts taking out incompetent "superiors". I mean, I don't know anything about leading military units, but I do know you *don't* piss off a bunch of guys carrying guns, explosives, and sharp, pointy knives/bayonets.
It is addressed in the video
There's a WWI saying that's kind of related to your final sentence: Don't Harass the Shock Troops.
Happens in Korea and Vietnam. Not just incompetent people but COs that were jerks.
The Wehrmacht had not a few such incidences as well 1942 onwards. and that army was considered the best disciplined at the time
You’d be surprised to see just how quickly a little bit of power goes to the heads of many NCOs and Officers
My grandfather told me in the navy during ww2 if a guy was too unpopular, he would be "lost" at sea
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I had a friend who had served in Vietnam. He said they got a lieutenant who lead them into unnecessary danger. He said they waited until the fighting was thick then they back away from him and left him isolated. The NVA killed him.
At 1:34 they recreate the scene in Platoon where Barnes tries to kill Elias while mentioning fragging. Thing is the killing was to keep Elias from telling their superiors of Barnes' war crimes. It doesn't really goes with the fragging out of rebellion concept but is more in straight up murder.
An stfu it's a movie. He can use it however he wants
@Robert Sears I disagree.
Taylor
Platoon was such a good movie
@Urmom some officers completely deserve it. Most don’t, some do.
One friendly fire scenario you left out is the firing on an enemy position without regard for the proximity of friendly troops because they were to be sacrificed. i.e. Longshanks orders his archers to fire vollys at the Scots who were intermingled with his own troops.
Braveheart did that scene justice.
Chad'Shanks did whatever it took to win.
Don't worry. Mel Gibson will think of a plan.
@@StandTallTx sure William up in heaven watches his movie on repeat
@@codysing1223 my boy is called the 'Hammer of the Scots' for a reason
That never happened in history, medieval battles didn't carry out the way hollywood likes to depict them.
I have always been amazed at how accurate the details are in the renderings and how there is actually a ton of loaded humor going on behind the script in these videos. I really enjoy these. As a “gun” guy your renderings are always spot on.
In the 50s, my grandpa had an officer who dove onto a live grenade someone had dropped during a training exercise, and saved my grandpa's (among others) life
One of my ancestors planted a live grenade in the warden's underpants back in those times.
@@lancelewis107 riiiiight
Respect.
"Friendly fire is never friendly, just like Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend once you've pulled the pin."
grenades dont ingite when the pin is pulled, its when the spoon detaches
@@Naggfruit yoooo chill tf out
My grandfather is a Canadian Korean War vet and he recounted many times the American troops would bomb the hillside they were stationed on. Thankfully no one was ever killed from what I know but he did say it was quite the experience hearing the roar of their fighters and soon the sound of their bombs hitting the ground.
they did a lot of that in the pacific islands as well. the IFF technology was not the greatest back then
My grandpa was an american and served in both ww2 on the Pacific front and korea, he got injured twice the same way, in ww2 he was helping some Australian soldiers with a radio and got bombed by his own, and during Korea he transferred to a squad of Canadian soldiers because one went missing(was his cousin the rifle was recovered but no body) and got shelled. To his last breath he said that the biggest threat to our allies is our own incompetence.
R.I.P. Poppa Tom.
No idea how he got transferred btw, but it was on his record.
Muricuh 🇺🇸
Seems to be a common theme that across all wars, the Americans tend to be absolutely braindead
my dad's vote is the only reason his Lieutenant survived vietnam. He tried to make them charge a rice patty that had enemy machine gun firing at them. And the sgt belayed the order saying " we don't charge sir, we will have the air force take the position out before we risk a marine"... My dad said they voted on wether or not to frag him that night and it was his vote that broke the tie breaker...
Afghanistan and Iraq saw a ton of deliberate green on blue friendly fire incidents; Afghan and Iraqi people signed up to be trained by US&coalition soldiers, went a long with it all until they got their hands on a weapon for shooting exercises, to then use the weapon instead to kill their foreign instructors. In Afghanistan one of these insider attacks even killed a US general, wounding more than a dozen people, among them also a German general.
My uncle deserted in Vietnam. He didn’t wanna go back so he didn’t show back up. He woke up to his house surrounded as he was put in handcuffs and shackles. And forced back into the war
He should have hid somewhere else other than his own house 🏡
F*** that
Ahh yes, the land of the free..
You don’t desert. Plain and simple, do your duty. I served, and retired.
@@van3158 "land of the free"
As a quality control professional I would point out that one of the more serious issues that businesses face is management that alienates internal personnel. Usually protest takes the form of quitting but dissatisfied personal are very often careless and inefficient (I.e. languishing.) it’s pretty serious, companies can go under in those conditions. Having a work force that is armed AND unable to quit. It’s less of a question of how often it’s happened but how often people have gotten away with it.
@J that's the neat part. They arent.
@@maramanasa Yup cause power protects power first. And then the company second.
@J They get it in the neck when the higher ups wonder why productivity is so far down.
Ur right t, I knew a guy that was promoted really fast in a trucking co. He was a lot younger than the men who worked under him.
He told me ( a friend of his wife ) about being left out of after work stuff. From bowling to drinking and how it upset him. I told him, Ur either their boss or their friend, but u can't be both demanding respect the way u do. He thought about it all weekend and on Monday morning called a meeting to apologize for his behavior. All his bosses thought he'd lose respect, but he didn't. It changed the way he acted and was invited to functions, having a card game at his house. ( my idea) but no shop talk allowed.
Some people are not aware that their insecurities make them arrogant
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@No it's called acting your wage, and it's people starting to realize they don't get anything extra for going above and beyond, so they fill the minimum required and go home.
"Friendly fire will not be tolerated!"
One of the worst enemies an officer can make, is the men under him.
Say you're just a normal guy who gets drafted against his will to fight people who (normally) don't have anything against you or your country. They're forced to follow orders for some other high ranking people's gain. Who are you gonna wanna kill, the strangers or that captain who's been pissing you off ever since you were forced to interact with him?
The politicians that sent both of is there
pissing you off? Guy is almost actively trying to get their subordinates killed.
@@LegendStormcrow Exactly right.
It’s not that simple, especially when the strangers want to kill you. That’s why most of the fraggings happened outside of combat units.
That captain from Band of Brothers was 100% a fragging waiting to happen. It would be super easy for a paratrooper unit to have an accident with faulty chutes for example.
During my service there a few people that I wanted to kill. And the feeling was mutual. But we never carried it out. Transfers have a way of keeping order and morale when you know that the enemy who wears the same uniform as yours, either leaves first... or you do.
Happens in all jobs.
I suspect that’s partially why in fragging in front line combat units in Vietnam was lower than support units. I read in one Vietnam vet’s memoir the policy at the time was to rotate out officers in combat units every six months. This is on top of how some soldiers would rotate out in the middle of a patrol if their deployment was up. I’m sure some figure it was better to wait for a rotation then shoot an officer. Then again it was probably easier to cover up a fragging in the jungle versus a base.
@@macekreislahomes1690 I'm not military but I've been caught in the thick of a riot. It's not the same deal to be ordered around by police as dealing with a bullying boss.
Also, they temperately baned me from replying to them directly or reporting them at least temporarily. Somebody report them and/or call them out on their inappropriate behavior please.
@@macekreislahomes1690 a comment in this thread appears to have been hidden, so I can't be sure what's happening. I did report a spammer, but you did not appear to have any comment attached.
Your starting a sentence with 'also' makes me worry there was more.
The thumbnail tho 💀
the thumbnail 💀
That is why it takes guts to be a true leader in the military. This video reminds me of Captain Sobel from band of brothers who was so hated by his men that many of the NCOs from his company resigned as they did not want to follow him in combat.
ironic you have a spetsnaz pfp since Russian military doesn't use NCO command structure meaning military is commanded by politicians
@@nobodycallsmetubby5586 I'm not a Russian. I just have the spetsnaz name cuz it sounds cool.
@@Spetsnaz690 and I'll assume you have the star with a hammer and sickle because it looks cool? regardless of it being the symbol of a country that committed many genocides and war crimes?
@@Spetsnaz690 🤡🤡🤡
guys stop acting like clowns it's literally just a profile picture
“Bro it’s just a prank”
The prank: 4:42
I'm kinda shocked they never mentioned Pat Tillman, y'know the guy that got shot and killed by one of his guys from 90 feet away? It was clearly a case of deliberate friendly fire and I'd heavily recommend reading about it if you don't know about it already.
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Even more he hated the war and was going to talk with Noam Chomsky
And the ARmy and NFL both profit off his death, parading his body around when he despised both organization
"War is all about eliminating the enemy before he eliminates you."
No, that's combat.
War is a means to subdue your enemy and force them to do what you want. I believe it was Sun Tzu that said "the greatest warrior can win a battle without drawing blood," or something to that effect.
That little Platoon reference is probably the best case of "Deliberate Friendly Fire" I've ever seen in any movie.
@Warcrime Appreciator 2015 when I saw him being chased by the NVA later in the movie I thought he would live
this is exactly what my friends do to me in video games lmao
Mine mostly idiot standing in front of me.........it worse when I was about to throw a Molotov......
me playing duos with a random person be like
"hey does this game have friendly fire?"
I do it in real life, we are not the same
You have friends?
"It's just a prank bro"
The prank:
There was a ..... "game".... by some French viets veterans that goes like that :
When you were stressed to the point of not being stressed anymore, when you could die at each step you took so you became insensitive to death, they gathered in a dark house, put something on the eyes of one dude with a loaded gun, and the others wandered around in the house.
Then, one of them said "COUCOU !" (Hello !) and the blinded one needed to shoot in that direction while the other needed to dodge. In a completely dark room.
Just to feel alive again.
Weirdly enough, there weren't *that* many casualties. Just a rare few, most of them did get hurt though. Because they didn't want to kill their friend, they fired just a bit away from were they were *supposed* to be, but sometimes, well, it didn't miss
Also, in operation, we did tome tactical shooting exercice, and one of my officer wanted to dual-wield Tomb Raider style, it was a fun, but extremely dumb idea.
Guess who took 2 pistols and shooted while jumping backwards.
Guess who shoot his feets.
Yeah.... Sometimes officers are morons. Yeah I know, inconceivable, right ?
I think shooting yourself can be considered friendly fire ? Lmao
And not getting into detail, but almost got shot by a 105mm tank shell from my own tank group.
Almost pissed myself (maybe one or two drops) and I'm pretty sure my buddy shat itself, but who can blame him...
And last but not least """""fun fact""""" :
Execution during war times due to desertion is still up in most militaries.
Dumb stuff sometimes works. Kind of an aside but I think you'll appreciate my cousin in Northern Ireland in the '80s - not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Their squad had a mob beginning to attack, throw stones etc and were ordered to load their plastic bullet guns. He did, it went off and shot himself in the foot. He dropped the gun and hopped around as his mates and the rioters cracked up laughing and then the rioters went to the pub for a laugh. I guess there's more than one way to defuse a situation but he was forever teased that, while many people shoot themselves in the foot to get out of the army, nobody had used a plastic bullet before.
Tldr
4:32 Death: the Ultimate Prank!
Archers and javelin men did this often in ancient warfare
it would imply any sort of precision skill for an average lower-class (or even slave) fighter
@@andrii31415 Roman soldiers?
Thats why they would have the archers fire first, BEFORE sending cavalry/infantry
It was usually the cavalry or next infantry line that did it, not archers. Roman Triarii often turned around those who tried to flee. There are a few instances of medieval cavalry smashing through their fleeing men too.
But in both cases, it there usually was no friendly fire, soldiers just turned back because they saw their allies blocked the escape route, sometimes they just stopped panicking reaching units who were still combat ready.
In the British Army there is still a rank called Lance Sergeant to carry a Lance to encourage the others!
4:02 "They didn't express their enthusiam but instead expressed their opinion by sending a musket ball through his head" 🤣
0:42 neat fact, the warthog has zero targeting equipment they use binoculars to spot targets, and radios to confirm them. They've killed more friendlies than foes.
4:01 for whatever reason this made me chuckle
Made me burst out laughing 😆
Same dude😂 imagine all the foight of battle and you get your superior getting a speech of nothing happened and ye must be tiring
Hi, just wanted to share some info on the blocking detachments and order 227.
Order 227, only applied to officers who fell back from occupied positions. If they were caugh they would be sent to a military tribunal where they would have to prove to the court if the retreat they ordered was the right choice, then they were safe. If they deemed the order was not the right choice then they would either be sent to the penal battalion (which was more likely) or in rare cases they would be executed by a firing squad.
Even the political commissars that were in charge of the blocking detachments were hesitant to perform summary execution on the battlefield as it meant they would have to justify their actions in court, which would also require the testimony of the soldiers that were following their officers.
In the end it is also pointed out in the video that there was no need for such order as the soldiers were fighting like crazy. It was just that The Red Army was still suffering greatly from Stalin's purges that most of the experienced military personnel were sent to the gulags or killed.
Was pretty disappointed when the 227 myth appeared on the video. Most deserters were sent to Penal Battalions and not executed on the spot.
@@pyrobytee me too, i remember someone clarifying that in a comment on another video long time ago, yet still it's a widespread myth. then again, it was pretty much everyone's custom in ww 1 to shoot deserters, so i can at least see how this misconception spread.
@@pyrobytee there is usually a little truth in rumors
@@aceous99 Its not good to spread rumours even if it had little truth inside them.
@@Dominique9325 i believe military history visualized addressed this myth at some point. He does pretty good research.
during the final days of ww2, 2 soviet armies were racing to berlin. both armies would deliberately fire artillery at each other to slow the other army down. both generals wanted the 'glory' of capturing berlin
Crazy, do you have any sources?
@@danielreardon6453 the book "When titans clashed" by historian David Glantz who is one of the worlds leading experts on the eastern front.
@@Spazzz123 Thanks man
The thumbnail is really a real "deliberate friendly fire" 💀🍷
Although fragging was common amongst US troops in Vietnam there was only one recorded case in the Australian army.
I happened to meet the soldier who was assigned as escort to the perpetrator, who told him he couldn’t remember doing it!
He had been drinking heavily and his mates had egged him on to do it, but as so often happens under extreme intoxication there is no memory of what had happened the night before.
One other deliberate blue on blue in the Australian army in Vietnam was when a disgruntled private had been drinking to excess and threatened to kill an nco.
Since everyone was armed in case of an enemy attack, they took his rifle off him.
However in an unguarded moment he managed to find where they had put his rifle and returning, shot two soldiers.
No you didnt
@@adenmitchell7633 you have the proof?
Notice how quick your government tries to debunk it.
I don’t know about this story but a true blue on blue in Vietnam for the Australian Army was when a second scout who’s job was to walk behind the lead scout providing cover which involved leaving his weapons safety catch off for instant use accidentally tripped shooting and killing the lead scout ,they changed the order after this the second scout keep his safety catch on.
Recommend the documentary "Sir, no sir" describing "fragging" of company CO during the Vietnam War.
One must remember there is a VAST difference between a volunteer professional soldier and a drafted/conscripted schmuck shoved into a uniform.
Fragging was a good argument for ending the draft
An old German soldier told me of an incident, during the invasion of Poland. An officer made them round up civilians and put them in a barn which was then set on fire, and anyone running out shot. During the units next attack, that officer was "accidentally" shot in the back. Not all Germans were nazis, and didn't like what they were made to do.
Sounds like precisely the type of story a war criminal with a documented service history in a unit that commited documented war crimes would say in order to make himself look innocent.
Just because they didn't like what happened, doesn't excuse what they did.
I don’t excuse a single democrat for what has happened and will expect the turncoats of my own party to fave similar consequences.
I highly doubt the pre-war highly trained Wehrmacht soldiers would do such a thing to their own officer over this state-sanctioned action. They had some of the highest cohesion among troops, where the officers would mingle with the soldiers rather than kept separated like most Western armies, and it was actually a requirement for officers to actively lead their troop into battlefield. Probably just a partisan sniped him in the back while he was being exposed like any other front-line soldiers.
@@danialrafid being forced to do it under a very real threat of death, does. If the officer is ordering that done to civilians, hes not going to hesitate to have dissenters shot, or shoot them himself as an example.
A childhood friend's father loved to tell stories about his younger life, fighting, hunting and war. He was one of the meanest toughest old men I ever met, but once you proved your worth, he was as good as gold to you.
One story I never forgot was a story about Vietnam. Apparently he and another marine spent all afternoon building a giant foxhole, dug into the side of a hill. It provided more protection than a typical foxhole, because it was larger and instead of being just a hole, it went into the hillside and turned a bit. As the story goes; as soon as they were finished with the hole, they're superior officers releived them of their newly dug positions.
This did not sit well with him, as he was NOT one to be toyed with. So he and his friend are forced to start digging a new foxhole, which they do, just above their old foxhole. Apparently they weren't even done digging their new hole, when a firefight kicked off. Then he says..."wouldn't ya know it, first thing that happened, a grenade landed in the officers foxhole. Poor guy"
I have no way of knowing the truth of his story, but I will say, several other things he mentioned, which I thought untrue at the time, have proven to be true. For example he referenced the Skyhook program by name and I had no idea what he was talking about. A decade later I randomly come across a video about it and it was just as he had described.
I don't understand how you can dig a foxhole "above" another one. Please explain that one.
@@KainRazielMT it was on a hillside
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your friend's father seems a liar and a coward
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@@F-15eagle That's two of those I've run across today, I think we've got some new bots on our hands
That mistrust of officers stuff is no joke. Unless the officer was prior enlisted, no one trusted his judgement.
Once while my buddy was under fire in Kabul, a Lt Col made it out to them, asked where the enemy was shooting from, and shot in that direction once with his service pistol. He then left my buddy and the rest there to resume fighting. It was all so he could get a CAB. (Combat Action Badge)
1:45 platoon in a parallel universe
“During the war of the Spanish succession, British regiment o’ Foot were sent to Germany”
People who don’t study History: “What?”
Wars over some throne in Europe be like:
Certified Mr. Worlwide moment
People who don't study European history you mean.
i recall this was also a problem for the french army in ww1, its been awhile since i read poilu but i recall barthas describing incidents of french commanders shooting insubordinant soldiers.
I knew a marine that said the first thing he'd do in a combat operation is shoot the officer in charge. His reasoning was that whenever he was training, officers ordered a frontal assault, while sergeants ran enveloping attacks. The former looks good to superior officers, where as the latter suffered fewer casualties.
I was told by a Canadian officer that the pistol he carried was not for the enemy but for his own troops, since the pistol is not much use on the battlefield because of its short range.i believed him.
As a US Army officer, we had that same rumor among ourselves. But that's all it is. We carry rifles, too. Marine officers don't though. Hmm.
My grandfather served in Vietnam as a dog handler, he told me about how when officers screwed up the men would sometimes throw live grenades under their bunks while the officers where sleeping to try to kill them/send a message for putting everyone in danger.
5:30 YOOO ENGLISH STALIN
At 10:00 mark really stands out to me. I knew an old Aussie Vietnam vet who shot his lieutenant for this exact reason. The officer was attempting to order an advance while outnumbered over 10:1 within 1km from the NVA. He received no battle commendations but a bullet instead. Naturally old Greg was court-marshaled but then acquitted.
In Nam, my grandpa kept hearing from a friend that their CO was horrible. While said CO wasn't *great* he wasn't horrible, at least in my grandpa's eyes. They were all stressed. Until the friend took a fist to the jaw and a trip for the Medic for accidentally damaging a machine gun. That night, there was an explosion and they all snapped to attention, running to stations. There was no further gunfire. They found my grandpa's friend chainsmoking outside the barracks, and the CO soaking into his bedsheets. Those frags are nasty when they're 2 feet under your lower back.
The A-10 is every Soldier's Best Friend and the Worst Enemy.
The brrrrrt doesn’t discriminate
No. Until Ukraine receives them to use in REAL combat, you can't actually claim that. Alternatively let the americans themselves use them, I don't care
@@512TheWolf512 ...what?
@@512TheWolf512 the a 10 has been used in war, alot. Starting in 1972 and has the highist friendly fire rate of any US aircraft.
@@512TheWolf512 I'm sorry, lets just ignore it has the highest blue on blue count than any aircraft in the world, a gun that isn't really too effective against tanks and only useful if the enemy don't have any proper air defences. Combat is combat, doesn't matter if its the traditional stuff we see in WW2 Movies or the more guerrilla and urbanized based warfare we saw in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, its all the same, people die.
4:29 I thought the thumbnail was just click bait. I did not know it really happened that way.
“It’s just a prank bro”.
The prank. 4:13
You can never keep your troops in line with violence and tyranny. Nor can you be their friend. You command through respect, harsh but fair discipline and while cliche never ordering a soldier to do something you wouldn't
There also has to be a sense of voluntarism..... Conscripting soldiers into highly risky and painful battle situations is asking for trouble.... If you consript soldiers, you deserve a revolt
@@danielreardon6453 specially if the soldiers are conscripted against their own will or the officials refused to honor their part of the deal
@@99mrpogi YEah or the officers force the soldiers into a almost suicidal mission while the officers stand back
@@danielreardon6453 unless some soldiers survived, they would have probably placed matters into their own hands and killed their superiors
The A10 warthog actually has one of the highest blue on blue incident records because the plane has nearly no electronics in it and IFF detection via binoculars is really hard.
Everyone who knows this also knows it'd overwhelmingly powerful, but it's made worse by thr fact there isn't a chance the bullets stopping after it hits its target its just going to keep going
One incident was because radio wires over head of a US armor column got confused for an enemy column and shredded
@@WhatHappenedIn-vt3vq The A10 is obsolete. It gets shredded on a modern battlefield.
case of man not machine
@@christianbendixmau7348 then why do we still use it?
What replacement is better than it?
I sincerely doubt it’s obsolete, it’s one of the most useful pieces of equipment ever used
Loved that platoon reference
Poor dafoe
3:06 Oh my gosh, he just disappeared. That's so strange.
Friendly fire, the incident that never stops in war.
I also like how the word "among us" was a normal word before 2020.
Here is the timestamp where the narrator said "among us": @8:05
There were many sus imposters in ww2
I love your channel so much- As an animator I highly respect the attention to detail in every episode. Keep making great content!
The animation and colors looks simple but well rounded that make it looks really artistic and almost no lines or frames
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I love the use of movie scenes in your art style for the videos. So cool
ikr, the Stalingrad scene is straight out of "Enemy at the Gates"
and platoon
Attack
@@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401 what
Can’t forget Luigi Cadorna’s order to practice decimation (killing one of every ten men in a unit) against his own Italian troops during WW1. His entire ideology was “If you don’t win this war, you don’t love your country. It doesn’t matter how much better or worse the enemy is. If you even look back, you’re a coward.”
My grandfather was an MP in the 2nd Marines stationed at Khe Sanh during the siege. He was in charge of guarding the brig on the base, and one morning he woke up to a grenade underneath his pillow, still with the pin in it though.
faaaaark
Your grandfather or the brig?
I am a little disapointed that you had not mentioned the tird reason for deliberate friendly fire: MEDICAL DISCHARGE.
A seriously injured soldier (shot, stabbed and so on) would be sent back home to heal, or at least back to base.
So there were many reported cases of soldiers shooting theyr comrades in the legs or shoulder, so they could be sent back home. Very ofthen captured weapons were used, to mask the truth.
During WWI the French and British Armies had to create special penal codes in order to punish the men that did it.
If they were sent to jail others could start to see this as a prize (leaving the trenches), and the cases would start to ballon out of control; if they were shot, the soldiers would see this as murder, because killing a defenseless injured man is a cowardice, and the officers could end up with a rebellion in theyr hands.
More ofthen than not, this cases ended up with the men sent to foward sentry posts, doing patrols or other jobs that would make them easy targets for the enemy.
In WW2, the 325th Fighter Group, stationed in Africa was flying P-40's. They often got "bounced" by P-38 groups, whose pilots mistook the single engine fighters for German aircraft. Col. Bob Baseler, the 325th's CO decided to get even. He took a captured BF-109 (nicknamed "Hoiman") over the offending fighter group's airfield at noon, at very low level. The men were at mess. Trays flew. The P-38 pilots got the point.
There is also a form of "sacrificial" deliberate friendly fire. Cases where air strikes or artillery are called down right on top of friendly troops, because enemy forces and friendlies are in close proximity. In this case, if a position is being overrun officers may call down artillery or air strikes on their own position... In other cases, brass will realize a line is breaking, and just poor artillery into the hole to stop any advance while moving troops up... this kind of strike often kills or injures friendly troops too.
Another friendly fire story from Eugene Sledge's book With the old breed is when in Peleliu they were sleeping in fox holes and two japanese soldiers infiltrated them at night. One of the marines ended up leaving his fox hole and was shot and wounded badly. To make matters worse, after the incident was over, in the pitch black night one of the marines went to the wounded marine, thinking he was a wounded japanese infiltrator and shot him in the head point blank, killing him instantly. Only in the morning they found out it was one of their own.
"Friendly fire will not be tolerated"
Call of duty
Here before this comment gets 1k likes
Ah yes, Call of Duty reference
Ah yes call of duty
“You are a traitor to the motherland” -call of duty world at war
8:04 amongus.
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Stop posting about among us
@@AntalBoti250 no I don't think I will
Having better officers with better training other than being rich would have helped a lot. Most armies didn't like raising men up from the ranks even though those that were tended to be better officers. They new how to fight and when to fall back.
Former Sergeant Hasan Karim Akbar (born Mark Fidel Kools on April 21, 1971) threw four hand grenades into three tents in which other members of the 101st Airborne Division were sleeping, and fired his rifle at fellow soldiers in the ensuing chaos. Army Captain Christopher S. Seifert was fatally shot in the back, and Air Force Major Gregory L. Stone was killed by a grenade. Fourteen other soldiers were wounded by Akbar, mostly from grenade shrapnel
soldier for a premeditated attack in the early morning hours of March 23, 2003, at Camp Pennsylvania, Kuwait, during the start of the United States invasion of Iraq.
Can’t even imagine the ways people kill their own in the military in modern times. Like maybe asking a soldier to walk down range to grab something and “accidently” catching a bullet.
Or like the "unfortunate" officer in 4:38
10:43 Bro, he killed grandfather Tate?!😅.Andrew must me angry
*Potato.*
If anyone ever gets the chance and are in the UK, go visit The Durham Light Infantry Museum in Durham City, NE England. The museum tells of the horrors of war and how soldiers were treated by their own superiors. I visited for the first time and took my young son along. It was a quiet day and staff were awesome. They took my son and dressed him up as a soldier, showed him guns and basically spoiled him rotten. I stood to one side and began reading the museum displays. At that time I'd never even considered how superiors behaved toward soldiers and I kid ye not by the end of my museum wander I was in floods of tears. I tried questioning staff about the behavior toward soldiers and they all nodded at me. I was speechless. Obviously my son had a great time that day but I left mentally scarred by it all. War is a terrible thing that brings out the worst in humans - even at their own side.
We had a Brigade Commander (COL) who had supposedly lost one of his balls in Vietnam as a Butter-Bar because one of his own troops shot it off because he was generally hated by his own Platoon. I can believe it because he was such a weenie that we generally hated him ourselves and was very happy when he was finally reassigned elsewhere.
1:35 Willem Dafoe made it into Simple History. Amazing.
"War is where the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing eachother." - Niko Belic
True, plus Niko Bellic was probably a voluntary soldier.
I remember Niko saying he was young back then to Michelle implying that he was naïve but went for the cause voluntarily.
As opposed to him saying something like "They took me", "They made me fight." "I had no choice." etc..
8:05 GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD
My dad served in Thailand during Vietnam (Air FOrce) the base he was at was also home to covert operations conducted by US, Thai, Korean, and Australian special forces. One evening a Thai soldier decided he'd had enough of his officers and rolled a live grenade into the Officer's club, killed one of them and injured about a dozen others in the club at the time.
In my unit, the maintenance Sargent asked the commander not to issue ammo to his men. He was worried that he would be shot by his men. But nothing happened, was on watch for any issues
1:48 I love how the officer does a nervous smile in this clip, which shows that he is nervous and knows something is up as the soldier can clearly see he's not the enemy yet he's still pointing the gun at him
Go watch Platoon son
Yeah this is clearly a remake of a scene from the movie Platoon, the animated characters even look like the actors (Tom Berenger & Willem DaFoe).
Soldiers hate their officers or comrades more than enemies they don't know and haven't done anything to.
Im not ur enemy right?
Righ-
RATATATATATATTATA
You killed Elias
1:40 I love how you remade the seen from “platoon”
6:45 You know the history channel is accurate when they get their info from a hollywood movie that wasnt historically truthful in the slightest.
barrier troops would often be positioned miles behind the frontline, and would detain retreating troops before sending them back to the frontline instead of shooting them on the spot lmfao
Lest we forget the greatest single case of friendly fire.
The "Assassination" of Emperor Lucius Aurelianus.
"The Restorer of the World"
Killed by his officers because of a falsified document that implied the Emperor would have them killed, which was proved to be fake after the officers committed the killing.
Those responsible were punished severely by the Legionaries who loved and adored their Emperor who brought the Romans and the Empire back from the brink of Death.
But if you think about it, the officers already felt threatened so they had to take action first.
RIP Pat Tillman
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