“INTPs, contrary to many descriptions, are not ignorant of Fe concerns. It’s simply that they get suppressed by Ti when the choice is between the two.” Brilliantly put. And thanks for doing this video!
I think INTP can use it better than INFJ-in faking it because Ti helps find the best way to fake it-and then with a real genuine Fe expression because if you found something finally worthy of your Fe then you will do it as awesomely as you do anything you love to do. Plus since its your 4th slot, appeasing it is like candy:) Any man is fortunate and lucky if they ever get the chance to have an INTP female Fe them up.
@@ReverendElation Thank you, I'm glad somebody appreciates us. Are you another INTP because I'd like to know which personality type actually appreciates us. I am always much happier when isolated.
It's something I've seen play out in practice too. INTPs can often be quite charming (in a quirky way) and even socially smooth. It just gets more complicated when they're torn between speaking their mind about something they disagree with and maintaining that sense of social harmony. As is usually the case with cognitive functions, they're more about preferences. Those preferences are most evident when choosing between opposing options ~ Nathan
@@lovewhoi am intp and ur right intps can be quite smooth socially speaking on my behalf but it is a thing I think we r capable of but try to avoid as much as possible
As an INFJ I'm always surprised when people say they see me as laid back because I know I like to be in control and hate surprises. I guess overthinking every possible situation a million times, mentally preparing plans B through Z, and being able to switch plans as needed comes off as laid back to others, but inside I am freaking out that things are not going the way I imagined or hoped.
Ya know I was pretty confident I was an intp, but the infjs in the comments have been very relatable. What you talked about I label as silent panic or calm panic, tho idk i May be wrong
I'm definitely an INFJ, though I use a lot of TI in daily situations. One of my closest pals is an INTP, and he's always up for a good debate, when we can let our TIs loose!
Nathan! I'm an INTP and my best friend (boyfriend?) is an INFJ. The comparison between tongue-biting to appease others versus speaking out despite the risk of disrupting social harmony totally resonates with me. I've been told I can come across as insensitive because I have a tendency to be brutally honest. In contrast, he'll definitely hold his tongue to spare others' feelings. We're also different in the ways we view conformity. I see him very much as a people-pleaser, someone who will bend over backwards to accomodate others. I, on the other hand, embrace individuality, unique perspectives, questioning the status-quo. We can talk and debate for hours on end! He hates my tendency to disappear when I need time to myself though, haha.
This is really interesting. I do love hearing from real life examples of the types. What you’ve described about your dynamic between you and your friend makes a great deal of sense to me! ~ Nathan
Thank you for highlighting this underrated mistype! As an INFJ, it's crazy how many times I've been asking myself in certain situations questions like: "Can a person who has Aux Fe be really that socially inept?"; "Do I really understand how Ni and Ne work?" or "Is it even legal for a J-type to be this messy?" Well, playing in a band with two INTPs helped me to find some certainty in this question... as the band wouldn't have released 80% of its content without me doing what a J-type should do: finish the goddamn track before recording million more interesting demo ideas! Not attacking anyone though, I actually really enjoyed this dynamics; when healthy and balanced, high Ni and Ne users can do magical things while working together.
Love this example. It's interesting to see what happens in those moments where something needs to be organised. Even if a type isn't naturally the most organised, as long as they're more organised than the other people in the situation, it's likely they'll be the ones who step up and get it done ~ Nathan
INTP here and the main difference is, my INFJ friend always being diplomatic. She dislikes conflict. I don't like conflict either, but I am not aware of what other people feel, meanwhile my INFJ friend her autopilot is what other people will feel or think about something and she always nervous about that
That "diplomatic autopilot" notion is perfectly applicable to INFJs. I totally agree that INTPs also dislike conflict, it's just that, like you say, they aren't as natural when it comes to assessing the vibe of other people and how they're feeling ~ Nathan
Fantastic video, Nathan! The way you pinpointed an INFJ need for control and conclusions is spot on. I’m always thinking of contingency plans because I don’t like to be caught off guard. INTPs sound very cool, I wish I knew some in the flesh world.
Totally agree regarding the contingency plans. In case you're curious and haven't heard of it yet, that way of classifying the types (IxxJ, ExxJ, IxxP and ExxP) comes from the Objective Personality typing system. I'm like a magpie who just steals anything I think works from other systems and that part really does make sense in my view ~ Nathan
Actually, as an INTP, I am also constantly using Ne to predict the future and contingency plans not to get caught off guard. In mbti sense is mostly because of the perfectionism on Ti mixed with the security need of Si. So I don''t think this is a good point to make the distinction. I think this is more a characteristic that defines if you're an enneagram 5, than either INFJ or INTP.
1:22 I am so bad at lying. Even to save my own skin I feel at odds with myself whenever I say something that I know not to be true. To the point where I think tend to speel in generalities (eg: 'it appears', 'it seems') rather than simply state the things I'm reasonably sure are true.
0:47 Nate: "Things only get testy when people start saying stupid stuff... which, to be fair, is quite a common occurrence." 1:28 Nate: "When an INTP is torn between telling the truth, as they see it, versus appeasing someone's snowflake-y sensitivities, it causes them a kind of physical discomfort. A knowing need to out with the truth." Ah yes. The bane of my existence. I get triggered by a statement... and I feel compelled to object, or at least question... but then I have to be prepared to debate, discuss and/or educate, which isn't something most people receive positively... and to which circumstances aren't often conducive. Argh. Why... so... DIFFICULT...?!? ... so I TRY to just grit my teeth and grimace through the pain most of the time, and isolate myself from humanity. Few people want to deal with the "real me" and I don't WANT to make the people around me unhappy or distressed. No one wants that. The people who know me well are typically those who enjoy (or at least tolerate) debate and deep dives into esoteric topics, and who aren't easily offended by having their reasoning questioned... which, as it turns out, isn't a lot of people. -- INTP
I’m an INTP and my husband is an INFJ. We watched this video together a few nights ago and your Ni vs Ne (tree) graphs were kind of an aha moment for us to have a visual of the difference between how we process information and problem solve. We often joke that combined we make one complete superhuman bc all angles are always covered. Also, the balance we bring each other with our strong and weak points certainly help 😅
Excellent & very appreciated explanation Nathan. I'm a INFJ who consistently scores 50/50 on F/T. I resonate a lot with INTP & wondered if I was mistyped. But this video made it very clear I'm an INFJ. I'm always striving for an 'optimal' outcome. Analyzing patterns, possibilities, history etc & narrowing them down to the most optimal understanding/outcome is like breathing for me. My brain doesn't like lots of loose, flappy strings😆
Love it! It’s always great when these videos can help people narrow down and confirm their type. The fact that you describe it as “like breathing” really does make INFJ seem fitting for you ~ Nathan
@@twoscoopz4944Imagine 2 intps of similar interests meeting. As they explore their thoughts, their loose strings are drawn together, winding and binding, creating something more that the sum of the parts. They turn to eachother and say "I see you" 😳 ....damn those intps and their loose, sexy strings. Imagine 2 Cousin Its from the Addams Family making sweet, sweet love.
Yeah but don’t most people do that? Try and find an optimal outcome from looking at all ideas and narrow things down? Man i rlly thought I was an intp but now I’m completely questioning myself
@@jaylynn0x048An introspective intp is basically a kitten with a ball of strings. We crave internal harmony through logic and constantly challenging our own ideas until we can feel sure of something. At least that's my view on it.
I knew an INFJ (online only) and we were *very* different people. He was always trying to get me to express myself more. I didn't see what the big deal was. He also wanted to be a constant presence in other people's lives. Didn't appreciate my INTP tendency to disappear for no reason. But we had a lot of similarities and could chat about philosophy for hours.
This is a mistype that happens so much more often than I think people realize. I thought I was an INFJ for like 6 months until I realized I was an INTP. Great vid!
People have been asking for a video about this one for a while. Over time I became surprised at how requested it was. It didn't strike me as the most obvious mistype, but eventually it made more sense. Glad you enjoyed the video! ~ Nathan
That branching analogy actually appears in another video of mine that's totally focussed on comparing Ne and Ni. Feel free to check that one out if you haven't already! ~ Nathan
I love how you created such cohesive feel and aesthetic to your channel! I love that you are branching out more and more and I would LOVE to see you do it even more with intriguing psychological / philosophical questions! Great content and definitely here to stay!
This is great to hear! I'm attracted to certain colours, vibes and fonts. When I find a few I like then I'm more than happy to keep reusing those. I just looked at your channel as well. It's awesome. I like the energy of your editing style a great deal as well as the content of what you're saying of course ~ Nathan
I’m an INFJ in a relationship with an INTP and I agree with most of the points made here. The only one that threw me was INTPs more comfortable with changing the plan than an INFJ. I think the nature of Ni/Se is flexible and Ti/Si is fixed. As INFJs are constantly refining and comparing, we are more likely to change the course of things or refine/adjust the plan for the best outcome and clarity whereas an INTP is less likely to change things once a decision has been made despite having Ne. INFJs are more comfortable working with and considering new information (via passive Se) than INTPs (with fixed Si). I think what seems more likely is an INTP is right off the bat more open to considering various options and going with any which option prior to a decision being made which allows them the freedom to choose a different option tomorrow than the option they might have chosen today or in the past. They are flexible UP UNTIL a decision is locked in. Once a decision is made, they exude stress and anxiety in having to change or improvise (where an INFJ might excel). At which point in the decision making process is each type most flexible and willing to change the options or plan?
And I definitely fall into the latter camp, which gives me some confidence I'm not mistyped as an INxP. If the INFJ in question has a good relationship with Se, yeah they can be almost ISTP-like and be very improvisational and smooth. Whereas for me when something suddenly changes my mind can bog down considering all the possible courses of action and causes for whatever occurred.
@@FodSoul As another INTP, I totally relate. I'm indecisive because I'm trying to consider every alternative and weigh all the pros/cons before I take the jump and make my choice. To make a decision, I need to spend time pondering, considering, and crafting ideal scenarios and several backup plans. However, once I make my choice, I don't ever see it as "locking my answer in" because I'm willing to utilize/test out Plan B, C, D, etc. if needed.
@@FodSoulSeconded, I similarly have several plans in mind before making a decision, and once a decision has been made, the smallest change in circumstances or early signs that Plan A is heading for the rocks can make me switch to Plan B, or even make a completely new plan on the spot. I only stick to imperfect decisions when I perceive a risk in not doing so.
I am INTP. I find working with people very hard: when I had my Myers Briggs test the tester told me that in over 20 years she had never met anyone who scored 100% on the Introverted questions - until me. She advised me never to work with other people as I would never get on. I do find when presented with problems, it takes me very little time to assess and go from A-Z where Z is the correct solution. I then have a long period of thumb twiddling whilst everyone else goes through tedious processes to arrive - eventually - at the same answer I got to originally. It doesn't really make you popular in a work setting!
I'm about 90% introverted so I see you. I don't fit into the standard work environment either, and in the name of diversity it's about time there was an allocated corner for INTPs (just kidding).
@@marcusnz232 Tech companies don't like to hire introverts (unless they are geniuses) as they like outspoken people to tout the company line in public and have tons of social media contacts to advertise to
When you said "they're both introverts" I said "kind of" thinking about myself :) I love INTPs, they're so easy to get along with, I know quite a lot of them but only ever met one unhealthy one which could be an indication for what a generally balanced and healthy type it is. I like the "wise advisor" description, this encapsulates the essence of both types and is often connected to their career choices. But when I get angry, well that's not what you just described :) Tongue-biting would not be an expression of choice because it implicates that you really want to say something but repress it, I'd say that INFJs (or at least I) can detach from their own views for the sake of the conversation flow and curiosity of the ideas and viewpoints of others. If you listen to what others have to say, you can get more info and when you feel that what they say is wrong, the more you know, the better you can take their fallacies apart - be it aloud or just in your head. Disagreeing on things actually makes great discussions when people respect each other. And yes, I hate when people set themselves up for failure (and worse - involve me in it) and don't see the implications of their actions. Chaos in the present is even bigger chaos in the future. I think some people may think I'm a control freak (including myself). But control is necessary - and cool ;) Knowing stuff ahead puts a significant weight off your shoulders and you can focus on other, often more interesting things. Regarding Ni, I even like the inverted tree more :) When someone speaks very windingly, I often think "get to the point". I'll never forget a phone call when someone spoke about this and that for the first 5 minutes and then said: "the reason I'm calling you is actually .....". It's my all time joke. I used to work with someone that could not settle on anything (this was the unhealthy INTP) and our ways parted, it was impossible to work in this manner. Nearly everyone complained about this person's inability to take one clear path and reversing decisions previously made.
We might be easy to get along with but we often secretly judge people. There's so much going on beneath the surface with us that people will never become aware of.
@@Dionyzos Yeah, that's true, judgment is not necessarily always negative, I'd say we analyse people and upon that analysis we may judge them negatively or positively. As long as we don't hurt others and ourselves with these negative judgments, it's just our judgment / opinion. The same as someone's judgment / opinion is only theirs. But if our we or other people can change something or feel empowered because of our judgment, it's worth sharing it in a respectful manner. Generally people don't like unsolicited advice so it's best to do it with people we know better and not too often.
Frank James had a pretty good example of the difference between Ne and Ni. If you ask a person: "how many genres of music are there?" In the extreme cases, an Ne user will separate out every different kind of Metal, every different kind of Reggaeton as a different genre and so on, finding new potential ideas, and potentially landing on the answer that there are thousands of genres of music. In the extreme cases, and Ni user will look at what the genres have in common, and bunch them together; and even potentially landing on the answer that there are 5 genres of music, because - broadly speaking - they all fit under certain "main umbrellas". This is obviously an extreme example, but like you've said before Nathan, extremes can help you see the different "sides". So how is your thought process when it comes to such a question?
Great video. It explains the differences very clearly and efficiently. Although I would say since INFJs have a perceiving function first and are balanced on feelings and logic, they won't do something only because it feels good but ALSO a bit because there are logical reasons to do it. It will probably be more the case for an ENFJ though. I get the idea for differentiating both but it might be a reason why an INTP will feel more comfortable with an INFJ rather than with an ENFJ. Great explanation on the opposition between Ni and Ne too. I still don't understand why people struggle so much to understand Ni compared to Ne. I mean everyone can see there are better ways to do something sometimes and some approaches seem unlikely without feeling the need to explain why with logical reasons because it's obvious, so anyone should at least be able to get the process of sticking to a plan when considering all factors. Now the way Ni works concretely is very complicated to understand though cause it takes all sorts of data available in the world to establish connections and it can form entire paths and possible futures. It's even hard for Ni doms themselves to describe it cause it's partially unconscious. The collection of data is so huge it needs to be partially unconscious. I recently understood it's because Ni uses the Se to collect sensory data by observing and then creating very detailed possibilities by connecting data with a recurrent meaning, while Ne uses the Si to remember their sensory experiences and develop an idea in many different directions by using their sensorial memory. Intuition is fascinating, isn't it?
A good way I like to view nise especially as first and fourth slot, se works unconsciously in the fourth slot, it gathers information from everywhere even places it might not have realized. It looks for a common pattern of logic and reference points to view the situation as a whole. Kind of like if you know a statue you can picture each side of it and how each contributes to the total. An example from everyday life is this: My mom was like hey what’s this white powder on top of the fridge. I look up and see what she’s talking about. That is a weird spot to have powder. My brain immediately says “pancake mix”. Mom asks how I knew that cus I was right” and I just trace back my thoughts and think oh well there are cabinets right about the fridge and we keep mixing bowls up there and even though the pancake mix is in the lazy Susan next to the sink and I remembered making pancakes recently. I can even walk into rooms and know what’s happened the the past 5 min, gotten medical diagnoses correct for myself. Too bad fourth slot se is hard ime to do things that we aren’t naturally better at (I loved Chem and bio but-failed calc 1 five times. And like you said fourth slot se also needs a solid plan. The moment my plan fell out the window I just freaked out and tried to regain footing 😅 Dang I wrote a lot 😂but now that I’m reading it back maybe ni first and se fourth is similar to chatgpt, grabbing relevant information based on subsets of how information is summarized on a good chunk of sites and what words usually follow what!
That's a good point about Ni being difficult to describe even for Ni users. It's probably why Ni is seen as mysterious. INTJs and INFJs are seen that way by extension too ~ Nathan
I think it's so difficult to explain because there are too many connections made from many real-life data that create a cohesive impression. And it can constantly be reinforced by any real-life interaction to the point where you can't keep track of life itself. It's about life observation and recurrent patterns. Also, it can even be about non-tangible things like subtext. Sometimes they can remember precise examples but they've seen the same example like 10 times already so it's not to take as one case but more generally. So it's very hard to communicate to people who don't pay attention a lot to their society or their environment at a general level. It probably explains why there is so much mystery around it indeed. But it's actually not so mysterious. Everyone actually uses it daily from the moment where they say an idea won't work without needing to think about precise logical reasons because their life experience already gives them the intuition an idea is too unpractical and will most likely fail for example. I actually found an excellent video I recommand to everyone about Ni which is called: "How Introverted Intuition Actually Works", by the channel Think More Deeply and it explains things very clearly with diagrams.
@@kyurei4478 couldn’t agree more, it’s a background process to a degree, only really “utilized” when it’s balanced with seti. Mbti is so useful if you can understand the way it works as a whole. And the functions can be confusing since people put the wrong image of what a type is or what a function is, hell most people don’t even look at what slot affects what functions and how double observers are different from double deciders.
@@lovewho honestly good point there, when one can’t bring to words what they need to describe it can be like going into a doctors appointment without the correct words and terms to describe what pain you’re having or what you’ve tried. Sometimes even just being in pain can make it hard to connect with your words to the doctor. Or maybe that’s just how I view it😅
I hope this comment helps (cause ultimately, that is the aim). Having known many INTPs closely, the main difference I have been able to detect in me (compared to them) is my inability to accept norms and therefore struggle with environmental limits. And yes, that Te blindspot comes across easily (at least, in my case). Let’s look at the nicknames of the types - Analyst vs Advocate. Imagine what analysts do. They tend to be more withdrawn in their approach while considering things. Now, imagine an advocate - someone who fights to bring change. In real life, I tend to be very outspoken. Especially in a setting where there are rules to be challenged (or accepted) that influence freedom of expression. My brother’s main goal is reading and seeing how it fits into his framework. He is open to consider other ideas if I offer some and perhaps even change his opinion. My main goal is creating. For it, I need to understand the issue at hand yet not fit anything into an A to B framework. My framework is creating. It is odd in a way. Where others use creativity to let go of things, I use it as a way of finding (and even perfecting) myself. Now, I will give some examples to contrast the overall attitude between these 2. And for that, I will use the last 2 functions of the stack as well as the blindspot. Regardless of the dominant Ni vs Ti, the other functions in the stack have an influence in how the dominant one comes across. If I am working on an idea, isolated from people and the world, I tend to remain quiet, distant and even “unreachable” at times. It is somewhat true for my brother. Though, he spends his time either looking at things on the internet or talking to friends. Actually, he talks to his friends on Discord a lot when he is in his room. When I am in the mode of creating, I become completely isolated. Let’s switch the scenario now. Let’s add people in the mix. Then, I am focused on understanding the person talking and offering sincere feedback (which has often been too direct yet somehow still empathetic). My brother remains quiet. Same thing with a friend I have had. They talk more online than in real life. Online, I have found INTPs who lecture you how they are right and you are wrong (the more stressed version of a type). The unhealthy version of INFJ would burn everything around them. Either metaphorically or literally. And, let’s now look at Ti as third function and Te blindspot for INFJ and Si as third function and Se blindspot for INTP. If someone has Se in their stack and you constantly cross a line, they may punch you. Whether it is by using words or fists, it will still happen. Would an INTP do that? With Se as blindspot, highly unlikely. They will tell you your view is wrong because of Ti and the framework it uses. Si uses interoceptors while Se relies on exteroceptors. Si needs inner( bodily) balance (harmony). Which leads to Fe and the confusing “harmony” nickname. External things are reactive, objective, loud. What it means is that if a problem occurs between people, your ability to interject and sort things out would be higher or lower depending on the position it has in the stack. For INFJ is higher. For INTP is lower. Te blindspot comes with a challenge of accepting rules, norms and authority imposed from the outside. Se as a blindspot comes with a challenge of reacting to things in real time and fast. I am not sure how clear the explanation was. There are a lot of things to be considered here and ideas to be connected before reaching a conclusion and understanding the differences between types and cognitive preference. For those interested in Enneagram, it might help using that system in understanding behavior. In our case, I am social 1 while my brother is self-preserving 9.
I love the idea of the INTP being a logical framework builder, and an INFJ being a framework creator of the more ethically-orientated. It’s why both make such great advisors but in slightly different ways.
This is spot-on for me (INTP) and my wife (INFJ). Some insights in here that I haven't heard anyone else make about both types. So thank you! Excellent video.
Whether or not to bite my tongue is the eternal dilemma for me, a source of frequent second guessing of myself, the arena for much internal conflict and even warfare, the stage where I make some of my best moves and worst mistakes, or at least have some of my biggest regrets.
I think the confusion is partly because INTPs can be deeply sentimental and poetic, and like most Ns have an incredibly random sense of humour. I knew one once who had a sweet, calm temperament and was often compared to the genteel Gregory Peck. What made him INTP was his nerdy obsession with mathematical theory and his need to hibernate to work on his 'book' to disprove Cantor's Last Theorum. It also took him a long time to finish projects, but I think that's common with most folks getting older.
sentimental, poetic, with a random sense of humour and some 'nerdy fixation on something --- totally the INTP I know (and I love those 'nerdy' interests, too).
They both have Fe (which INTP can USE very well, while INFJ cant help it.) They also share Ti, so you can have a conversation with both that includes objective truth. And, because both don’t use Ti as a filter, their conclusions about things are connected to other ideas, so both take time to change their mind when proven wrong about something-needing to internally check with the tangential ideas first-and if Ti is not anchoring that process, they will entertain conspiracy (intp) or falsifiable spiritual things (infj) without running them through the same objective tests that they do for other ideas. Another difference is that intp will do the absolute least effort needed for things that aren’t their priority, a brilliant resource saving technique-they save mental, physical and emotional energy this way. Infj on the other hand, can not refrain from mental energy being spent-with their thicker skinned emotional coating not helping themselves as much as others-and they often feel a physical strain because of the depth of this mental exertion. To get to the inside of INTP- demonstrate Ti and Fe and don’t make them do the work of conversation, make them have the fun of calculating and responding. To get the inside of INFJ-Ti and Fe, but you cant get to the things that they have not run thru Ti-their pet ideas like astrology or something that they won’t run through Ti because they want the world to have some magic and mystery--since for both intp and infj-Ti solves the mysteries and leaves both with the reality that the world is more simply understood than most think-and that the real problems people face are usually due to their own inability to adapt Fe and Ti into their lives.
actually, a good hypothesis/theory SHOULD (caps for emphasis) be falsifiable because only then can it actually be "proven" right. Thus, in your context "falsifiable spiritual things" can mean either 1) "spiritual things," as you call them, are, in fact, something that can be discussed/proven as a theory or a hypothesis at the very least; 2) your phrase is an oxymoron because whatever you call "spiritual things" cannot be tested in strictly scientifically, yet, if you refer to them as "falsifiable," then there should be a way to prove them if only by logical reasoning. But generally, people who use words like "conspiracy" and "spiritual things" in a condescending tone are the ones who already have quite a bit of unwarranted generalizations and assumptions with an implied preponderance for the officially acknowledged "things," and hence could benefit from working on their Ti (if it's in their stack).
@@zzc8505 thanks for your comment!! lemme guess, Te user? 1) Falsifiable means able to be proven false- not proven true. And I didn’t want to say specifically what I meant out of respect to others but I was referring to astrology specifically, not spiritual things generally. Though there are many spiritual and philosophical things that can be logically proven false-and there are some that cannot be logically proven true or false one way or the other. 2) With Fi’s habit of making incorrect “tone” judgments, I would guess you’re intj, but a few different types can attach emotion where none was given. In fact, conspiracy and spiritual things were not condescending, and if you asked or showed either of them my posts you would see they agreed. The issue is, Ti usually waits until it understands to judge something-no need to react on partial information-so an idea called “conspiracy” is not positive or negative-people do conspire, and people make things up, and people can be confused. So, when intuitive thinkers with Ti enjoy conspiracy, it is usually in figuring them out and enjoying the process-not negative at all. And i touched on why infj might enjoy a discovery process like certain spiritual things-but ive found that often discussion of the deepest things to them is like forcing your way into their inner circle-you don’t have a shot, unless you’re already there. 3) Careful about using the thesaurus with Te-you will choose words that seem emotionally heavy (like preponderance) without using it correctly. (You need strong Ti for the process to happen naturally, but can be learned and strengthened like any cognitive function.) It doesn’t mean the same as superiority exactly, and being specific implies nothing. I was being explicit-stating it clearly-and those who aren’t afraid of objective truth appreciate and respect that. And, avoiding logically fallacious discussion, the Ti user would seek to understand what was meant and not attempt an attack based on someone’s “implied” thing or a “vibe or mood” of it, or the way something was delivered. Thats Fi Te stuff, and its why bold users of such will respond to clear crushings like this with either a polite joke and backing away or a response ignoring their improper usages of words and misunderstandings and attempting another personal diss. And if the latter, begins a deliciously fun series of mic drops that certain NeTi users just can’t pass up. You do better by going for the honey, if you want to stir up the nest, dude. 4) Ti doesn’t make unwarranted generalizations and assumptions-thats how Ti works-but if you want to know how projection works, your post displays it. And that too is explained by the cog stack. You being a Te user will not excel in Ti, using it only in your shadow, so you associate it with your familiarity of it-and Te which allows for subjectivity makes you think that anyone speaking with Ti is doing what you do: using words wrong or putting emotion and opinion in, and trying to force a point. And your Fi is naturally skeptical of Fe, because your familiarity is using it in your shadow, and you can’t comprehend someone stating ideas without having their personal feelings and opinions involved. Again, Fe and Ti do this normally, and to us its weird and unhelpful when emotion or opinion are forced into understanding of something that has no emotional implications within itself. So, I imagine these sort of discussions come up with you a lot, where you come out strong but are proven to have made mistakes because you assumed things or thought you found implications. But, Fe and Ti together come off that way to FiTe (its why they fight-they FiTe) because these important opposing functions express and receive info differently-and only recognize the others actions from their own shadow experiences. The solution to the war between FiTe and FeTi? Niceness and harmony and patience in understanding, asking to learn, then making judgments. Things that FiTe find very hard. 🤪
@@ReverendElation tbh, this comment of yours is as convoluted and riddled with contradictions/untested assumptions and prejudices as the original post. And I have neither time nor desire to tease it all out. You may benefit from disciplining your Ti to tighten up your logical reasoning and prevent your preconceived notions/biases from affecting your conclusions so conspicuously. Btw, I don't need a "thesaurus" lol - I am in a research field and I know what "falsifiable" means in regard to theories/hypothesis, as well as some other things you mentioned. (If there is a possibility that something is false, there is a possibility that something can be true -- that's how "falsifiability" works in theories/hypothesis, e.g., you work through possible objections thereby strengthening your theory/hypothesis). Nice try at sarcasm, but you missed it. And I'll just add that I don't even have a Te (and if you thought I was a Te user, it just further suggests that you really need to work on your Ti if you have one).
@@zzc8505 Right, don’t address the claims, double down, (didn’t look up falsifiable? of course the ability to prove things wrong is helpful in finding out what works-but something that can be proven right is its antonym verifiable. But who cares about semantics? Its about the point.) And again, you know which types think “tbh” etc add to their argument? Ill let you guess. And when you mature and put more stock in your ideas than choosing big words, you’ll be more productive and influential. (And it will keep you focused enough to stay on topic) Also, when you guess wrong, and its not due to a Te misunderstanding, (and we all have all of them) then that shows something even worse than just type differences. So, uh, 😂😂😂🤡 and especially 😉.
THANK YOU, I needed this. But also, I don't know how you always answer what I'm thinking with your uploads. Like, I know algorithms and the internet causes some hivemind effect on us, but your uploads are so consistent with something I was wondering about that it is crazy 💀
Given the mystique that gets built up around INFJs as "the rarest personality type" I had been worrying about this very distinction, and whether I really am one of The Few or just something close. Well, now I do not have to wonder any more. It seems from this that I'm a textbook INFJ... for better and worse ;p Thanks for your crystalline perception and expression!
I'm glad you made this video, as this one's been wrecking my head. My best friend is INFJ, but fits the surface-level stereotypes of an INTP, and is therefore very un-stereotypical of an INFJ. For instance, his dress sense is kind of INTP-slobbish and nerdy, as is his attitude to hair styling. He was always the class maths nerd, and he has a degree in engineering. But his Fe is very strong. He is absolutely a tongue-biter, unless the situation permits honesty, in which case he can be brutal in his assessments. He will go to superhuman lengths to avoid anything that might be awkward, and is always socially managing the group. If I'm being too loud in a store, or even just standing in the way of people, it kills him inside. Despite his INTP-ish appearance, his house is fairly clean and well organised. When my INTP twin brother is around, the night becomes much more disorganised and rambling, whereas when it's just the two of us (I'm INTJ), things are much more focused and productive -- even if we're just hanging out. I haven't heard it mentioned, but I think INFJs might have a kind of ISTP mode, much like us INTJs have an ISFP mode. My friend is one of the most practically intelligent people I know, and can find ways around physical problems everyone else has missed. Will Graham in the Hannibal Lecter series is a good example of this, who is often working on engines, making fishing lures, and so on.
I personally can only have an "ISTP mode" when having discussions where a lot Ti is being used. What I value in ISTPs most is their logic. Otherwise than that, we're totally different types and we don't really connect on other levels than the logical one.
@@PriHL What about on an Se level, with practical application and physical interaction? Surely Ti scenarios happen a lot, especially in typically male nerdy scenarios?
@@johnknight9150 This is a possibility for some people but the ISTP's Se is generally better than the INFJ's. Not necessarily in the male and nerdy scenarios but in daily interactions which can highlight both types' use of Ti like in conversations or coming to some conclusions about different things.
@@PriHL Oh, absolutely. When I talk about INFJs having an "ISTP mode", or INTJs having an "ISFP mode", I'm talking about more of an emulation, an imitation, or a mistaken first impression. Some days I could swear I'm really an ISFP, and all that silly INTJ nerdy stuff can all go hang. But it would probably only be a week maximum after I joined someone's hippy guru cult in the middle of the desert that I would start troubleshooting all the computers and re-designing the networks! ;-)
@@johnknight9150 Yeah, that's what this emulation can look to the outside world and at times even to ourselves. But we know it is only an emulation and the true self is very different from that.
MUCH of what is said of INFJs here also ABSOLUTELY DOES ring true for myself as an INTJ. being that i was a psychology major in college, i took a GREAT MULTIPLE short-form MBTI inventories throughout my term there and; i mostly (like, 95% of the time) got INTJ but, i also rarely scored as an INTP. in self-evaluating my own attitude/approach throughout those GREAT MULTIPLE tests, i noted that when i scored more often as an INTJ i had taken a more decisive approach - noting decisively whether i agreed or disagreed with whichever current question/item on the test i was doing. whereas during the other times when i scored as an INTP i had taken a more open-style and indecisive approach to my answers. so, i can ONLY imagine that reflects THE MAIN difference between J and P types. J types see a need for certainty (be it positive or negative) in their lives. meanwhile P types MUST like to keep their options open and are more capable of quickly adapting to 'bumps in the road' toward achieving their ideals as they might, by chance, come up. - (again) INTJ
It makes sense that there'd be lots of overlap both between INTJs and INFJs as well as INTJs and INTPs. It's funny because I don't often talk about the J vs P distinction but yes I agree, the desire for certainty and closure is definitely a J thing ~ Nathan
Great description of what a cognitive function is. People often get them confused with conscious decisions. You are right, cognitive functions are more instinctual and sub-conscious than that. They are what we naturally are and how we are designed to think and behave. We have to consciously fight against the way our cognitive functions work by default when or first instinct would be inappropriate or disadvantageous in a given situation. The conscious decisions that we make to deal with situations often have a recognizable pattern, but they are not the same thing as our cognitive functions. Sometimes our behavior is in line with our functions, but not always. I used to test (both self test and by professional personality typers) as an INTJ consistently, but as I get older I now test more like an INFJ. I'm not as driven to achieve some lofty goal as I used to be and have become much more of an intellectual, studying things for the sake of enjoying learning. If I could be a monk studying in a monastery, I think I would. Once I've decided that I've come up with a plan that I am sure will work, having to deviate from it is very stressful.
@1:48 of the two--- I would probably say, "because it serves a greater purpose or for logical reasons" more times than "because it just feels right" ... what does that mean/ translate to?
This branching analogy was very clear and helpful ! Great video! I wonder is you could further clarify your type preference by analyzing how you go about writing. Like if you take forever to write a comment on a RUclips video vs. writing one quickly. I tend to take quite a while due to simulating how the comment could be understood by the reader first and try to be precise in word choice, and will delete it if there is no or negative feedback in order to prevent further unforeseen consequences. While I suppose everyone would do this to some degree, it seems “Control” is more important to me. (Despite the reality is that there is no way to completely control a situation.)
This is an interesting question. My gut reaction is that yes, you might be able to tell certain things about someone's type from their approach to writing. However, when I'm thinking back to what people have said it's not an obvious correlation. For example, it's kind of a running joke that INTPs take ages to leave a comment and will write and rewrite it over and over. I imagine the same is true for lots of J types as well because they want to structure what they're saying in a really clear way ~ Nathan
5:29 Process takes me forever I'm always a deviant! Except when I force myself to follow through So I think that I have just developed my Ni to counteract my Ne chaos and because my dad is my role model and I'm sure he is INTJ or ISTJ so I have had practice for a while which is why I get confused Thank you so much for the clarification and thank you if you read my ramblings.
Its certainly the judging axis that can cause confusion. Whether its an INTP that utilises their inferior Fe more or an INFJ that utilises their Ti more. Whilst both being intuitive types and not value the sensory world as much. I'm an INTP but even I've question multiple times whether I'm an INFJ or not since I have a fairly developed Fe
Hey Nathan, can you please talk about the effect of language on our personality type because for me personally as an infp i become more confident and assertive when i speak English as opposed to when i speak my native language. Love your videos btw❤
This is an excellent and often overlooked point. I'm gradually working on a video about how to type yourself where I just muse on the best approach to it. I will include a point about this in there too since it's an important factor! ~ Nathan
Thank you. I've been considering myself as an INFJ for years ,and then I took the test again this weekend and it came up as INTP, which confused me because I've never had that result before. Like some videos have mentioned about INFJs, it's kind of a struggle to know who we are, so the MBTI results keep changing for me. I've had results all over the place over the past 20 years: INFJ, INFP, ENFJ, INTJ, IS-somethingsomething, and now there's INTP. Over this past weekend, I've been wondering if what's really been going on is that as I move from place to place, and job to job, I mold myself into what I think the others around me want me to be, for the purposes of survival. But for the past few years I've been somewhat of a hermit and lone wolf (no friends, no family, no boyfriend, no online companions, no relationships with neighbors), just the bare minimum of interacting with coworkers for the purposes of getting money for rent and food. I did get a cat, though, in 2022. But in the process of finally getting some decent "alone time," I've slowly been learning more about who I am. But this video helped clear up the question of INTP vs. INFJ. I think the problem with the MBTI test I took this weekend is that it was asking questions about what I currently do (some of it is stuffing myself away so that I can survive on Earth and not the real "me", but another problem is that I am 44 and still don't quite know who the real "me" is. Perhaps I never will. But now I'm settling back down into a peaceful internal state, now that the question of INTP vs. INFJ is being settled in my brain.
2:31 oh wow. I do this a lot. Now you've got me wondering. Im aware of the problem three steps ahead and I get stressed out if plans change unexpectdly. 3:29 ah, but I'm definitely an Ne user. 4:00 oh when put that way maybe that is what I do. Maybe I am an INFJ.
I definitely have a bit of anxiety about the future so I began to doubt my main type. Any environment that involves communicating with people in person requires a lot of planning to avoid
another good one - I know an INTP and the dynamic b/w us is precisely as described! Completely agree on the "physiological" nature of the functions. Even after I learned about Fe and recognized its (often unwelcome) influence on my life, I still cannot turn it off, so functions are hard wired into people. However, now that I am aware of it, am learning to control it and sometimes it works, but it has to be a conscious effort (esp. when I know I want to and I have to be blunt with "snowflaky sensitivities" LOL instead of sugar coating everything again). And I love my Ti
That's a good point - they can definitely be controlled with effort. People should aim to do that as much as possible otherwise we're too beholden to them ~ Nathan
I still have some difficulty knowing which one I am. I think I prefer Ni above Ne: I'm always searching for an overall conclusion though I also like to brainstrom and I value nuance. I can also resonate more with the want of control but I feel like I can be quite spontaneous as well (as long as I haven't planned something already). But I also use Ti a lot, maybe even as much as Ni. I'm much more of a truth teller than someone who holds their tongue. Although I certainly have become a lot more tactful over the years I'm still learning to keep my thoughts to myself as I do really value harmony and I certainly don't want to hurt someone. But Fe takes more energy for me than Ti does and it comes less naturally. Maybe I'm in a Ni-Ti loop or maybe it's more difficult to type me because I'm autistic, idk anymore.
1:55 usually I hold what I say if I think the person I'm talking to will just be dismissive or talk about bull that they just came up with to defend their opinion over fact; I do hold opinions in a place of value as I love exploring other ideas and hearing other peoples creative insight YET when it is on a serious or universally moral matter(not grey scale but actually thinks like is manipulation bad -yes because you take away other peoples abilities and put them at a disadvantage like a parasite would to it's prey) is related to a process of efficiency that I've already disproven to myself, inhibits my ability to preform a task in the least bothersome way (thorough but to the point so I expend less effort). ... I lost the thread ... I'm in a low level mania because of little sleep and a lot of change. I'll restate. (again 😅) I hold opinions as important to where I wont dismiss them to be rude. Some things I do NEED to say though for the improvement of the person and my environment. I can hold myself back from explaining things but it builds up over time to a point where I need to unleash my thoughts and analysis. I DID grow up with a lot of people in my family who were super sensitive and I had to tip-toe around so I mostly stayed quiet because I was aware of the annoyance of crackling egg shells caused for me long term. Many unhealthy people so I developed my Fe ... it still makes me uncomfortable to shut up so another person can stay in "poor me" mentality. I get needing help but there is a level of manipulation after you give them every tool they need to dig themselves out. Fully aware of my ramble train I'll stop there lol bit I hope that wasn't taken the wrong way.
Whenever I take personality assessment quizzes, I almost always get like 100% IN, 50/50 T/F, 60% P. So I'm not surprised by this comparison at all. Thanks for making this video
I thought I was… well, both. Tests said INFJ, and it seemed right for a while, until it stopped making sense because I valued Ti over Fe. So, I found INTP to be a much better, overall match. Concluding that I was still an intuitive, I must have gotten the idea of Ni by using Ti and Ne in conjunction… …until that stopped making sense as well. Primarily it started to seem unlikely when I realized that I had Aphantasia, and that clashed with my concept of Ne. Turns out that I was an ISTP in a Ti/Ni loop. 🤦♂️😂 The thing is that I have a close family member who is definitely an INFJ, and that has affected my development so that I behave with high Fe and low Se, with Ti and Ni practically being merged. But I’m coming out of it, doing a lot more Se and it’s rounding me out well. It’s kinda odd to realize after my teens that I’m actually quite able to be impulsive.
i heard that can happen. i think it means you expand your way of thinking becaus MBTI is how you prefer to think or how your cognitive function. my INFJ sister used to be struggling to set boundaries because her Fe, but she's more logical now. probably because the way i think as INTP also influence her
I made a video recently called "how to figure out your personality type". I think there might be some useful things in there for you when it comes to blurring the lines between different types or simply moving beyond these categorisations ~ Nathan
3:49 Ne is inductive reasoning where Ni is deductive reasoning? Is that correct? I know that I haven't fully learned these concepts so I'll study on them but in part I had used to think that inductive is taking in more information then deductive is going from several concepts down to a core concept. Feel free to kindly correct me and I think I'll compare these things later with further study.
I see myself as an INTP, but I do notice that my autism may portay me to need control and minimise chaos. However, I seem to contradict myself in this sense as I sometimes wish for chaos to not be bored. What are peoples comments on this?
I think you're most likely still an INTP because another big difference is Ni users are never bored and always have the different things they need to do in mind to accomplish a bigger objective. They can create stories and theories from everything they notice in their environment so it keeps them entertained. They don't feel a need to search for sensory stimulation, but rather intellectual stimulation. That's why Ni users aren't as much concerned with being funny or entertaining for example, while it seems to be a major concern for Ne users. Ni users will seek order to feel at peace instead.
OK, so i like informationall chaos, because i like the feeling of trying to come up with a unique abstraction that would fit all or most of the "branches" and then start another chaos from there and see where it leads, unify them again, lather, rinse, repeat. What kind of intuition is this? For example, in work situations i like to find common ground in some project data so i can build some abstract model im my head that will help me "feel" the project better. There is a co-worker that always "side-steps" in his head when dealing with uknown situations. I never do this - i only move forward forgetting all the side tracks becoming hyperfocused on my own "true" path BUT when i do hobbies and projects for fun, drawing or doing other creative stuff - i don't care where it leads. I just like to observe the chaos in my mind and speak it out loud with others to bounce ideas around and see what comes up naturally. Both situations energize me if they resonate with my inner visions. And both can tire me out if the are forced upon me like a routine or something. Oh, and i hate strategy games
Infj are almost always described as calm and rarely displaying aggression even when angered and that just... is not me. My anger is usually over injustice and is a lot of bark with no bite. I've never typed as anything other than an infj-t. and my psychotherapist who is well versed in mbti accurately predicted my type result (she told me this after I tested). I was raised by people with not great emotional regulation, have the adhd, anxiety, depression trio and fit the highly sensitive person bill. Pretty much every other infj characteristic rings true for me
I feel like a less common mistype can be an INTP typing as an ISTJ specifically on the MBTI test. If an INTP has learnt to be very well organized, structured and scheduled they may type as an ISTJ in the 16 personalities test due to how it is formatted and designed.
Coming back to this I’d like to add that now I feel that this is not restricted to the MBTI tests but in general when taking a test, typing someone, etc.
I really disagree lmao. What your saying applies maybe to INTP 5w6, they can appear a bit ISTJ like. But INTP 5w4 are NOTHING like ISTJ, more like INFJ imo. From an INTP 5w4 by the way, I can't really get along with ISTJs for a long time. Cutting class, being lazy, not following rules, laid back, not practical whatsoever, delving into unconscious and abstract ruminations 24/7 - idk how different to ISTJ you could get.
hey nathan! love your videos. I'm sure you've been asked this a few times, but have you ever thought about making a video where you discuss rough percentages of each type in the overall population? i.e. 30% of people are istjs, 7% are infps, etc. I'm sure people would love the video, and I bet it would get a lot of views, likes, subscribers. I'll enjoy the content you make regardless, but that's one video concept I've been hoping for. cheers!
I doubt it is possible to have data of any degree of accuracy worth paying attention to. Too many self-ID and self-report, esp. in the current online environment, so that alone will already skew the results significantly. The more accurate info could be obtained from the official certified MBTI tests, but I doubt that the percentage of the population that gets tested like that is significant/large enough to speak of any kind of type distribution tendencies.
Hello! :) For me, I was an INFJ last year and took the test this year and got INTP, but I feel like I lean more towards the INFJ traits yet also the INTP traits. Except the controlling part, I'm not a very controlling person. I looked at the results and compared them side by side, and this is what it said for INFJ "53% Introverted, 61% Intuitive, 59% Feeling, 54% Judging, 68% Turbulent." and then for my INTP result, I got "78% Introverted, 68% Intuitive, 58% Thinking, 79% Prospecting, 76% Turbulent." So now I'm confused if I'm an INFJ with INTP characteristics? Or INTP with INFJ characteristics? Which one is it?
mmm the bit about biting tongue for harmony... fine and good when its something very minor and i know saying anything will only start an argument that does not need to happen. however, if its about the relationship, of any sort, then not speaking up sounds like sweeping problems under rug and pretending all is well and wont come back to bite anyone in the ass later. then no. speaking up, biting back and even having an argument is very important. true harmony is good, but i wont touch the fake stuff. also i think i'm uncomfortable with the word control. because of it sounds like its control over other people, instead of myself. not even control of the situation. its more like control over being uncomfortable in any situation. the situation is not the issue, its me and my own reactions to it. so i do like to think ahead but mostly so i can put myself in the right headspace to adapt as fast as possible and to instantly be chill and go with the flow no matter what comes. to me all that is internal XD but everytime a vid talks about it, it makes it seam like infjs go around showing all this on the surface, which some maybe are, i dont know. still learning.
9000+ time asking for INTJ/ISTJ dichotomy. Though, I gradually start to get it myself. Still, it's never bad to listen some expert opinion About the video - I like how we INTJs go near our INFJ bros and still they go hikking inside their souls/homes/etc. I guess it's that T/F difference (that is, INTJean Te function). It's like the obvious thought for us, that you will not see the world until you don't cross your doorline, for INFJs becomes a serious psychological barrier. I always want to say to my INFJ friend, "c'mon, we have to see it, we have to try it, we have to change it, we have to do something, we have to find our place, somewhere else, somewhere else", but every time he agrees with me, something keeps him on the same place. For years, soon for a decade already. I want to help him, but I don't know whether I should to and whether I have the right to. Something like that.
When starting to play a game like world of warships or tanks or shopping for something, I usually spend way too much time searching for the best product or best ship/tank in the game example or when making decisions to make the optimal one which makes most sense, because I want to be certain that my money or time is well spent and I am getting the best result. Years ago with the games, I even told colleagues, I am not even focused on the game itself until I have the highest tier ship or tank, fun on the path wasn't important to me, but I hate mistakes and wasted time and always ask, what makes sense most, which type does this sound to you?
The first part of your comment would say that you are an intp but the second part of being controlling and outcome focused seems infj esk. But if I had to say, you are mostly probably an intp with analysis paralysis.
I ask myself this every day. I seem to have Ne inferior Fe but I also seem to have Ni but even though I "know" the difference between Ne and Ni, I still have issues with the nuances because there could be so many possibilities (which strikes me as Ne) I could go on but a little tired right now
Yup, and to add to it INTPs can also be e9, including 9w1, which in addition to making them seem more INFx-ish will give them a little more routiney-ness and rigidity from the 1 wing (believe I may be one myself)
True. I got a practically even score between 1w9 and 9w1 even if it was a bit in favor of 1w9 so I'm usually conflicted between taking action or going with the flow and generally speaking INFJs are probably the least susceptible to make decisions among the J types because of the Fe+Ti combo which creates this similarity with the INFP type for example. You might easily confuse an INFJ with a "P" type most of the time to be honest.
😓 I still don't know what my type is... I'm like intp mixed with infj!!! Why I'm like this?? If anyone could help me please do. _I seek knowledge for the sake of knowledge, i love the "Why" question a lot, i love brainstorming even with surreal answers _i know that i have a good Ti and weak Te function _I really understand people emotionally or what they wanna say or how they are thinking, their agendas their intuition and why they are like this, that's how i decide who could understand me and who couldn't _i'm extremely hesitant when taking a choice taking a lot of time to process _i enjoy the process of thinking way more than achieving it and seeing the results
i used to tongue-bite a lot despite wanting to speak up so badly in certain situations, partially due to social anxiety and lack of confidence, but also and maybe more importantly so, because i had one extremely emotionally unreliable parent that would get disproportionately angry over minor inconveniences. therefore i adapted and essentially emotionally babysitted that parent and other people like him, usually other emotionally immature boys or men, just to not provoke what i thought to be “unnecessary conflict” despite sometimes really wanting to push back and “put him in his place” (which sounds weird to say as a kid about your parent but he sometimes definitely is in need of that) and felt immensely shameful when i didn’t manage to do so. what do you guys think about this in conjunction with this video? because i’m quite confused about my type atm
Could you make a video about ISTP vs ESTP, cause I think a lot of people have this problem with confusing these two types with each other, including me. I thought I was an ISTP for a long time, but came to the conclusion that I’m probably an ESTP. Now I’m still torn between which of these two I actually am.
As INTP i really suffer when there's something said wrong, but I still hold on until people see me (trying to get) distracted and ask me my opinion, and that's when I can't hold it anymore, I get a tad cynical and try to say things as respectfully as I can and deviate from the conversation
Question. Is it possible that when you were kid - you were ENTP, when teenager - INTJ, and in 40s you became INFJ? Tests show that I'm INFJ right now, but from what I remember about my childhood - it feels like ENTP, and in school I did the test it showed me as INTJ 🤔
Strictly speaking, that isn’t something that’s possible with personality types. However, one person can grow and mature a lot to the point where they will resemble many different types naturally. Those three types you mentioned have various things in common. For example, they’re all intuitive dominant types (and therefore sensing inferior types) ~ Nathan
I should note that auxiliary function and the witch function may be of almost equal strength.(and preference) or rather to be safer- the witch function (if that's what it is called) may the third strongest function followed by the tertiary and others to follow- working in more furtive and devious ways. Why is the intj not only concerned about efficiency but also truth and accuracy. Tearing people down with logic at every chance they get and prowess of language. Why is the infj deeply individualistic and has personal boundaries that won't be crossed by other people (although the infj is more passive about) and nor by logic? Compared to their almost completely selfless enfj counterparts. (Also entj vs intj)The intp wouldn't be capable of the wonders of his/her cerebrum mainly based on the functions that are hit you first and most apparently.
@@rayanbahsoun thank you for that. I remembered last week that it was the critic (while I was just going about my life) and I tried to squeeze it out of me brain how I could have known it as the 'witch function'. How wicked!😅
Like controlling the the process of something or the outcome of the future. Like planning a party for example. You may want it exactly how you planned it and if something changes it may deeply distress you even if the party still turns out to be a success. On the other hand, If something changes you'll probably just go around it. And at the end if you find that the party is still successful and you're happy with the *outcome* you won't even care about what happened during the *process* Basically he's asking if you have to have everything how you want it or can you step back and let stuff happen and still be happy. Hope that helps🤷🏽♀️
@@kristlecasey9506ya i really wouldnt mind if it doesnt go according to what I'd imagined. If it was going well and was overall good then no problem. I think i answered it. Thank you, INTP it is.
Please do something in depth on ISTJ -- they are often taken for granted and overlooked undeservedly. And ESFP (aside from their overly "social" stereotype).
I’m intp so I have Ne, so I’m always choosing more and more options and more ways and can’t keep in one thing and it drives me crazy, I always can’t choose just one thing I’m always switching between options and it’s so stressful, is that normal?
I work in a fast past environment, a factory. If there's a machine down someone needs to fix it and I'll either do it or call a mechanic to do it. Some mechanics and fellow operators don't listen to operators. I will side-step conflict like I'm moving at bullet time and let a Mechanic or someone else step in and fix it even though I know how to do it. I'm not gonna argue with them. I'll just sip my tea (not literally) while they do the dirty work for me. They can even believe that I'm incapable. They can even tell other people that I'm incapable. But sometime down-the-line, maybe months from then, when that problem arises again and I'm the only one who can fix it, I will. Instantly and efficiently. And then everyone will look back and think "wow hes actually that good?" I don't care about proving myself, I have learned at my own pace for years, I'm flexible, and I can pivot around problems quickly. I still get paid the same whether or not I work intensely or leisurely. I love using other people's ego against them. Idk but I think that makes me an INTP.
Intp: so this is how it's done. Infj: ideally, but that's impractical. Intp: ? Infj: I agree though, I just don't see it happening Intp: bunch of idiots Infj: I know, but...if you don't give practical advice, then what we doing Intp: bunch of normies Infj: can't win, can I? Intp: :D
Feels like a pretty realistic conversation between infj and intp/entp. Infjs know when they won though cause they can easily read between the lines and intps/entps become biased like in this situation :P. They would just like intps/entps could be less childish and recognize it but it just seems to be a Ne trait ah ah! In the end, the most important for infjs is that the message is at least implicitly understood.
I literally go back and forth between both INTP and INFJ... Or mixed at the same time. No that' these tests are life deciding, but still. I am both lol
They share the same problems and joys that Fi and Te bring- though i think that INFP gets more joy and pain cuz Fi and Ne, while intj gets their joy and pain through Fi and Te.
@Love Who: What do you think your type is? INFJ or INTP? Can INFJs also be like INTPs in being accurate and precise with conversations and choice of words? If I prefer to have a “best” way of doing things, is this more likely INFJ than INTP?
Searching an INTP who shares the same worldview as me. So if you are an INTP, can we be friends online? I am tired of this life. I desperately need to talk to someone who thinks like me.............
Searching an INTP who shares the same worldview as me.. So if you are an INTP, can we be friends online? your social media pls? I am tired of this life. I desperately need to talk to someone who thinks like me.
Not a strange type comparison at all... (i am praying that you would do a ENFP and INFJ comparison.....) Hmm. feels like this video is gearing towards guiding people in self-typing. Sometimes, making such good video... will take away the job of those who want to type people.. Being good at something can be a double edge sword.. hmm. I have to watch this a few times.....
The definitions for Ni and Ne are incomplete. And mentioning just the branching characteristics of the two doesn't offer enough information for someone to visualize or fully understand the spectrum on which these two functions work. Ne works on the external, visible reality. It is a function more similar to Se than Ni because of this. Although Ne takes reality very briefly compared to Se and more branched (like in the illustration provided in the video), because it doesn't observe it as it is, but creates quick impressions of the objects and links them together based on function. And here the "creativeness" of Ne comes from. Whilst Se takes reality as it is, with no additional processing or linking. Fully focused on whatever can be taken in using our sensing organs. So, Ne is an objective cognitive function, based on observable reality. Where it links external elements based on function. Because of this Ne users can trace back the origins of their insight easily. Ni is a subjective function, inwardly directed - creating a web of meaning. Therefore its users have a harder time to trace back the origin of insight, as connection points made with it aren't always based on observable, objective reality, or follow a constant criteria in how the connections take place, so they are not as easy to describe in words. Jung tied Ne to the collective conscious - Ne users being attuned to the outer manifestation of human consciousness, therefore holding understanding of human cultural manifestations and trends, being knowledgeable of subcultures (cultural archetypes/memes). While Ni being tied to the collective unconscious, therefore being attuned to the unconscious forces that drive humanity and the world of primordial archetypes (those that have been described by Jung).
@@FodSoul No, they work differently. INTPs use Ti mostly with Si. In this case they manage to have a better visual representation of certain things in their mind (as they make associations based on sensations more easily). And a quicker, linear logic. This combined with Ne (outward connections based on function), makes them better adapted to subjects such as mathematics, engineering. Ni is more focused on meaning. Also it does make wider, more complex connections, but also consumes more energy and takes more time to solidify ideas. Sometimes having to explore one idea on the course of the entire life.
@@FodSoul I didn't hear about this name for INTP. Every personality can be more or less philosophical, or philosophize in its own way. If we were to take Fi and Ti dominants here- Both INFPs and INTPs have analytical, philosophical thoughts through the lens of their ego dominant function. Fi and Ti are subjective and creative. Ti is creative with thoughts and certain systems around them - a thought is projected forward without being based in concrete (empirical) reality. Fi is creative with the feelings and morality connected to them. And projects feelings without an empirical base. Then they might make certain projections with them on society through the lens of Ne, which focuses on outside reality. What I said earlier related to collective conscious. Philosophy has many branches as well. So don't know what exactly you mean by deep thought. Thinking for longer, thinking more expansively? Making better connections related to systems? Being more grounded in reality or having a bigger lens? Related to meaning, society, morality/ethics, beliefs?
@@FodSoul No, this isn't the case. All extraverted functions are objective, not subjective, therefore not "creative", not in the classical sense of what creative means at least where we project ideas that might not have connection with reality. Ne is focused on external plane where it makes quick connections like I mentioned, based on function. So it gives the impression of creativity by combining concrete things in ways that that could seem unexpected, depending also on how the other functions worked with Ne. One good example of this process is the main character from Ghibli studio animation "The Wind Rises", called Jiro Horikoshi, who got inspiration for a new plane design by observing mackerel bones directly.
@@FodSoul For you personally it might sound logical. But Ne wasn't defined that way in typology, either by Jung or by the MBTI system. - "Whenever intuition predominates, a peculiar and unmistakable psychology results. Because extraverted intuition is oriented by the object, there is a marked dependence on external situations, but it is altogether different from the dependence of the sensation type." "Sensation is a hindrance to clear, unbiassed, naïve perception; its intrusive sensory stimuli direct attention to the physical surface, to the very things round and beyond which intuition tries to peer. But since extraverted intuition is directed predominantly to objects, it actually comes very close to sensation; indeed, the expectant attitude to external objects is just as likely to make use of sensation. Hence, if intuition is to function properly, sensation must to a large extent be suppressed. By sensation I mean in this instance the simple and immediate sense-impression understood as a clearly defined physiological and psychic datum. This must be expressly established beforehand because, if I ask an intuitive how he orients himself, he will speak of things that are almost indistinguishable from sense-impressions. Very often he will even use the word “sensation.” He does have sensations, of course, but he is not guided by them as such; he uses them merely as starting-points for his perceptions. He selects them by unconscious predilection." (C. Jung, Psychological Types) So the only unconscious process taking place in the extraverted intuition is in the process of linking the external objects. Extraverted intuition doesn't have any other internal process or a direct link to the realm of archetypes, such as Ni does. The only internal processes INTP use are Ti and Si. You could consider being mistyped in any case. Maybe look into ISFP or ISTP.
@@FodSoul I was mentioning creativity in relation to the definition of the word used in typology. This is why I felt the need to underline its use in a more accentuated way. In MBTI typology or in the Jungian definition of the cognitive functions, the introverted functions are considered to be creative or subjective and the extraverted functions as objective or based on the empirical. If we are to consider creativity in the general sense of the word - There are many types of creativity. Every type has different scopes where their "creativity" is directed. So I wouldn't say there is one most "creative" type. It depends on which type of creativity you take into consideration. Related to archetypes- Ne is linked to cultural archetypes or memes that come out of the collective conscious, while Ni is linked to primordial/basic archetypes coming out of the collective unconscious. Knowing about primordial archetypes is different from being attuned to them. Same as with an Ni dominant type being able to know things about the conscious manifestations of humanity, or be invested in subcultures. But being informed on something isn't the same as being attuned. I have no interest in denying you your INTP typing. The only reason I put out the possibility of you being mistyped is your insistence over the general understanding and scope of the functions mentioned.
INFJs do not devalue Se , its in their valued stack its their suggestive teacher function , It just becomes draining over time , but SE is on the axis of Ni harmony is more si/fe
Crazy how the personality are now part of Korean society. That’s one of the first thing they ask you. I learned not to say I’m an entp they call it the devils personality type tf😩. That said your content would Kill with Korean viewers
People need to get to the real understanding of type rather than label others with superficial stereotypes. This literally happens everywhere but I know that MBTI is super popular in Korea, not in every country unfortunately. But in Korea I could at least hold a conversation about it, be it a stupid or a wise one.
“INTPs, contrary to many descriptions, are not ignorant of Fe concerns. It’s simply that they get suppressed by Ti when the choice is between the two.” Brilliantly put. And thanks for doing this video!
I think INTP can use it better than INFJ-in faking it because Ti helps find the best way to fake it-and then with a real genuine Fe expression because if you found something finally worthy of your Fe then you will do it as awesomely as you do anything you love to do. Plus since its your 4th slot, appeasing it is like candy:) Any man is fortunate and lucky if they ever get the chance to have an INTP female Fe them up.
@@ReverendElation Thank you, I'm glad somebody appreciates us. Are you another INTP because I'd like to know which personality type actually appreciates us. I am always much happier when isolated.
@@ReverendElation it's easy for me to fake bcs I have this blank face...whether I tell the truth or lie
It's something I've seen play out in practice too. INTPs can often be quite charming (in a quirky way) and even socially smooth. It just gets more complicated when they're torn between speaking their mind about something they disagree with and maintaining that sense of social harmony. As is usually the case with cognitive functions, they're more about preferences. Those preferences are most evident when choosing between opposing options ~ Nathan
@@lovewhoi am intp and ur right intps can be quite smooth socially speaking on my behalf but it is a thing I think we r capable of but try to avoid as much as possible
As an INFJ I'm always surprised when people say they see me as laid back because I know I like to be in control and hate surprises. I guess overthinking every possible situation a million times, mentally preparing plans B through Z, and being able to switch plans as needed comes off as laid back to others, but inside I am freaking out that things are not going the way I imagined or hoped.
That’s a good point. I think INFJs look laid back on the surface but underneath their minds are always ticking over, sometimes incessantly ~ Nathan
I concur this. They said I look calm but I'm actually freaking out inside. :')
Ya know I was pretty confident I was an intp, but the infjs in the comments have been very relatable. What you talked about I label as silent panic or calm panic, tho idk i May be wrong
exactly the same; looks laid back but going through extraordinary preparation and internal hell
I'm definitely an INFJ, though I use a lot of TI in daily situations. One of my closest pals is an INTP, and he's always up for a good debate, when we can let our TIs loose!
To me it's never about winning or losing but always learning. That's why I prefer exchanges over debates. If I learn, I win.
Nathan! I'm an INTP and my best friend (boyfriend?) is an INFJ.
The comparison between tongue-biting to appease others versus speaking out despite the risk of disrupting social harmony totally resonates with me. I've been told I can come across as insensitive because I have a tendency to be brutally honest. In contrast, he'll definitely hold his tongue to spare others' feelings.
We're also different in the ways we view conformity. I see him very much as a people-pleaser, someone who will bend over backwards to accomodate others. I, on the other hand, embrace individuality, unique perspectives, questioning the status-quo. We can talk and debate for hours on end! He hates my tendency to disappear when I need time to myself though, haha.
This is really interesting. I do love hearing from real life examples of the types. What you’ve described about your dynamic between you and your friend makes a great deal of sense to me! ~ Nathan
Thank you for highlighting this underrated mistype! As an INFJ, it's crazy how many times I've been asking myself in certain situations questions like: "Can a person who has Aux Fe be really that socially inept?"; "Do I really understand how Ni and Ne work?" or "Is it even legal for a J-type to be this messy?"
Well, playing in a band with two INTPs helped me to find some certainty in this question... as the band wouldn't have released 80% of its content without me doing what a J-type should do: finish the goddamn track before recording million more interesting demo ideas! Not attacking anyone though, I actually really enjoyed this dynamics; when healthy and balanced, high Ni and Ne users can do magical things while working together.
Love this example. It's interesting to see what happens in those moments where something needs to be organised. Even if a type isn't naturally the most organised, as long as they're more organised than the other people in the situation, it's likely they'll be the ones who step up and get it done ~ Nathan
It's a bit of a problem when you're an INFJ with ADHD.
INTP here and the main difference is, my INFJ friend always being diplomatic. She dislikes conflict. I don't like conflict either, but I am not aware of what other people feel, meanwhile my INFJ friend her autopilot is what other people will feel or think about something and she always nervous about that
That "diplomatic autopilot" notion is perfectly applicable to INFJs. I totally agree that INTPs also dislike conflict, it's just that, like you say, they aren't as natural when it comes to assessing the vibe of other people and how they're feeling ~ Nathan
Perfectly described! - INTP
INTP Vs INFJ ?
I was expecting Nathan Vs Frank James in a UFC match. Fighting over who is the best MBTI RUclipsr.
Nathan is authentic and knowledgeable
wow comparing them is an insult to Nathan
He's not an INTP.
Fantastic video, Nathan! The way you pinpointed an INFJ need for control and conclusions is spot on. I’m always thinking of contingency plans because I don’t like to be caught off guard. INTPs sound very cool, I wish I knew some in the flesh world.
Hahaha..you’ll have to seek us out…we’re not exactly social butterflies 🤓 But you no doubt have the skill set to systematically find us!
@@pohkeee Challenge accepted… 🤔
Totally agree regarding the contingency plans. In case you're curious and haven't heard of it yet, that way of classifying the types (IxxJ, ExxJ, IxxP and ExxP) comes from the Objective Personality typing system. I'm like a magpie who just steals anything I think works from other systems and that part really does make sense in my view ~ Nathan
@@lovewho I will look this up, it sounds very interesting. And the magpie routine works for you, keep at it! 😉
Actually, as an INTP, I am also constantly using Ne to predict the future and contingency plans not to get caught off guard. In mbti sense is mostly because of the perfectionism on Ti mixed with the security need of Si. So I don''t think this is a good point to make the distinction. I think this is more a characteristic that defines if you're an enneagram 5, than either INFJ or INTP.
1:22 I am so bad at lying. Even to save my own skin I feel at odds with myself whenever I say something that I know not to be true. To the point where I think tend to speel in generalities (eg: 'it appears', 'it seems') rather than simply state the things I'm reasonably sure are true.
0:47 Nate: "Things only get testy when people start saying stupid stuff... which, to be fair, is quite a common occurrence."
1:28 Nate: "When an INTP is torn between telling the truth, as they see it, versus appeasing someone's snowflake-y sensitivities, it causes them a kind of physical discomfort. A knowing need to out with the truth."
Ah yes. The bane of my existence. I get triggered by a statement... and I feel compelled to object, or at least question... but then I have to be prepared to debate, discuss and/or educate, which isn't something most people receive positively... and to which circumstances aren't often conducive. Argh. Why... so... DIFFICULT...?!?
... so I TRY to just grit my teeth and grimace through the pain most of the time, and isolate myself from humanity. Few people want to deal with the "real me" and I don't WANT to make the people around me unhappy or distressed. No one wants that. The people who know me well are typically those who enjoy (or at least tolerate) debate and deep dives into esoteric topics, and who aren't easily offended by having their reasoning questioned... which, as it turns out, isn't a lot of people. -- INTP
I’m an INTP and my husband is an INFJ. We watched this video together a few nights ago and your Ni vs Ne (tree) graphs were kind of an aha moment for us to have a visual of the difference between how we process information and problem solve. We often joke that combined we make one complete superhuman bc all angles are always covered. Also, the balance we bring each other with our strong and weak points certainly help 😅
Excellent & very appreciated explanation Nathan. I'm a INFJ who consistently scores 50/50 on F/T. I resonate a lot with INTP & wondered if I was mistyped. But this video made it very clear I'm an INFJ. I'm always striving for an 'optimal' outcome. Analyzing patterns, possibilities, history etc & narrowing them down to the most optimal understanding/outcome is like breathing for me. My brain doesn't like lots of loose, flappy strings😆
Love it! It’s always great when these videos can help people narrow down and confirm their type. The fact that you describe it as “like breathing” really does make INFJ seem fitting for you ~ Nathan
As a solid INTP, I am now referring to myself exclusively as “loose flappy strings”
@@twoscoopz4944Imagine 2 intps of similar interests meeting. As they explore their thoughts, their loose strings are drawn together, winding and binding, creating something more that the sum of the parts. They turn to eachother and say "I see you" 😳 ....damn those intps and their loose, sexy strings.
Imagine 2 Cousin Its from the Addams Family making sweet, sweet love.
Yeah but don’t most people do that? Try and find an optimal outcome from looking at all ideas and narrow things down? Man i rlly thought I was an intp but now I’m completely questioning myself
@@jaylynn0x048An introspective intp is basically a kitten with a ball of strings. We crave internal harmony through logic and constantly challenging our own ideas until we can feel sure of something. At least that's my view on it.
I knew an INFJ (online only) and we were *very* different people. He was always trying to get me to express myself more. I didn't see what the big deal was. He also wanted to be a constant presence in other people's lives. Didn't appreciate my INTP tendency to disappear for no reason. But we had a lot of similarities and could chat about philosophy for hours.
This is a mistype that happens so much more often than I think people realize. I thought I was an INFJ for like 6 months until I realized I was an INTP. Great vid!
People have been asking for a video about this one for a while. Over time I became surprised at how requested it was. It didn't strike me as the most obvious mistype, but eventually it made more sense. Glad you enjoyed the video! ~ Nathan
Very interesting, especially the distinction between Ni and Ne.
That branching analogy actually appears in another video of mine that's totally focussed on comparing Ne and Ni. Feel free to check that one out if you haven't already! ~ Nathan
Thank you, I will 😉 ~ Ne dom.
Your videos are always sooooo excellent
Glad you're enjoying them! ~ Nathan
I love how you created such cohesive feel and aesthetic to your channel! I love that you are branching out more and more and I would LOVE to see you do it even more with intriguing psychological / philosophical questions! Great content and definitely here to stay!
This is great to hear! I'm attracted to certain colours, vibes and fonts. When I find a few I like then I'm more than happy to keep reusing those. I just looked at your channel as well. It's awesome. I like the energy of your editing style a great deal as well as the content of what you're saying of course ~ Nathan
I’m an INFJ in a relationship with an INTP and I agree with most of the points made here. The only one that threw me was INTPs more comfortable with changing the plan than an INFJ. I think the nature of Ni/Se is flexible and Ti/Si is fixed. As INFJs are constantly refining and comparing, we are more likely to change the course of things or refine/adjust the plan for the best outcome and clarity whereas an INTP is less likely to change things once a decision has been made despite having Ne. INFJs are more comfortable working with and considering new information (via passive Se) than INTPs (with fixed Si).
I think what seems more likely is an INTP is right off the bat more open to considering various options and going with any which option prior to a decision being made which allows them the freedom to choose a different option tomorrow than the option they might have chosen today or in the past. They are flexible UP UNTIL a decision is locked in. Once a decision is made, they exude stress and anxiety in having to change or improvise (where an INFJ might excel). At which point in the decision making process is each type most flexible and willing to change the options or plan?
And I definitely fall into the latter camp, which gives me some confidence I'm not mistyped as an INxP. If the INFJ in question has a good relationship with Se, yeah they can be almost ISTP-like and be very improvisational and smooth. Whereas for me when something suddenly changes my mind can bog down considering all the possible courses of action and causes for whatever occurred.
@@FodSoul As another INTP, I totally relate. I'm indecisive because I'm trying to consider every alternative and weigh all the pros/cons before I take the jump and make my choice. To make a decision, I need to spend time pondering, considering, and crafting ideal scenarios and several backup plans. However, once I make my choice, I don't ever see it as "locking my answer in" because I'm willing to utilize/test out Plan B, C, D, etc. if needed.
This is pretty much exactly how was trying to explain how my intp mind hates changing something once I've decided on it. Up until then, gleeful chaos.
@@FodSoulSeconded, I similarly have several plans in mind before making a decision, and once a decision has been made, the smallest change in circumstances or early signs that Plan A is heading for the rocks can make me switch to Plan B, or even make a completely new plan on the spot. I only stick to imperfect decisions when I perceive a risk in not doing so.
I am INTP. I find working with people very hard: when I had my Myers Briggs test the tester told me that in over 20 years she had never met anyone who scored 100% on the Introverted questions - until me. She advised me never to work with other people as I would never get on.
I do find when presented with problems, it takes me very little time to assess and go from A-Z where Z is the correct solution. I then have a long period of thumb twiddling whilst everyone else goes through tedious processes to arrive - eventually - at the same answer I got to originally.
It doesn't really make you popular in a work setting!
I'm about 90% introverted so I see you. I don't fit into the standard work environment either, and in the name of diversity it's about time there was an allocated corner for INTPs (just kidding).
@@louisejoel Ha. Yes. Why not? Everyone else gets a turn!
@@marcusnz232 Tech companies don't like to hire introverts (unless they are geniuses) as they like outspoken people to tout the company line in public and have tons of social media contacts to advertise to
@@louisejoel That must be why I don’t have a job in that sphere!
When you said "they're both introverts" I said "kind of" thinking about myself :) I love INTPs, they're so easy to get along with, I know quite a lot of them but only ever met one unhealthy one which could be an indication for what a generally balanced and healthy type it is.
I like the "wise advisor" description, this encapsulates the essence of both types and is often connected to their career choices.
But when I get angry, well that's not what you just described :)
Tongue-biting would not be an expression of choice because it implicates that you really want to say something but repress it, I'd say that INFJs (or at least I) can detach from their own views for the sake of the conversation flow and curiosity of the ideas and viewpoints of others. If you listen to what others have to say, you can get more info and when you feel that what they say is wrong, the more you know, the better you can take their fallacies apart - be it aloud or just in your head. Disagreeing on things actually makes great discussions when people respect each other.
And yes, I hate when people set themselves up for failure (and worse - involve me in it) and don't see the implications of their actions. Chaos in the present is even bigger chaos in the future. I think some people may think I'm a control freak (including myself). But control is necessary - and cool ;) Knowing stuff ahead puts a significant weight off your shoulders and you can focus on other, often more interesting things.
Regarding Ni, I even like the inverted tree more :) When someone speaks very windingly, I often think "get to the point". I'll never forget a phone call when someone spoke about this and that for the first 5 minutes and then said: "the reason I'm calling you is actually .....". It's my all time joke. I used to work with someone that could not settle on anything (this was the unhealthy INTP) and our ways parted, it was impossible to work in this manner. Nearly everyone complained about this person's inability to take one clear path and reversing decisions previously made.
We might be easy to get along with but we often secretly judge people. There's so much going on beneath the surface with us that people will never become aware of.
@@Dionyzos Yeah, that's true, judgment is not necessarily always negative, I'd say we analyse people and upon that analysis we may judge them negatively or positively. As long as we don't hurt others and ourselves with these negative judgments, it's just our judgment / opinion. The same as someone's judgment / opinion is only theirs. But if our we or other people can change something or feel empowered because of our judgment, it's worth sharing it in a respectful manner. Generally people don't like unsolicited advice so it's best to do it with people we know better and not too often.
Frank James had a pretty good example of the difference between Ne and Ni.
If you ask a person: "how many genres of music are there?"
In the extreme cases, an Ne user will separate out every different kind of Metal, every different kind of Reggaeton as a different genre and so on, finding new potential ideas, and potentially landing on the answer that there are thousands of genres of music.
In the extreme cases, and Ni user will look at what the genres have in common, and bunch them together; and even potentially landing on the answer that there are 5 genres of music, because - broadly speaking - they all fit under certain "main umbrellas".
This is obviously an extreme example, but like you've said before Nathan, extremes can help you see the different "sides".
So how is your thought process when it comes to such a question?
yes, that was a good example
Love that example! ~ Nathan
Thats total bs. Frank James is an infp posing as infj. He doesn't know what he is talking about
He's not gonna tell you his thought-process - because he doesn't want to reveal his Type.
@@gnosis8142 if you've seen enough of their videos its pretty clear that Nathan's type is INTP
Great video. It explains the differences very clearly and efficiently. Although I would say since INFJs have a perceiving function first and are balanced on feelings and logic, they won't do something only because it feels good but ALSO a bit because there are logical reasons to do it. It will probably be more the case for an ENFJ though. I get the idea for differentiating both but it might be a reason why an INTP will feel more comfortable with an INFJ rather than with an ENFJ. Great explanation on the opposition between Ni and Ne too. I still don't understand why people struggle so much to understand Ni compared to Ne. I mean everyone can see there are better ways to do something sometimes and some approaches seem unlikely without feeling the need to explain why with logical reasons because it's obvious, so anyone should at least be able to get the process of sticking to a plan when considering all factors. Now the way Ni works concretely is very complicated to understand though cause it takes all sorts of data available in the world to establish connections and it can form entire paths and possible futures. It's even hard for Ni doms themselves to describe it cause it's partially unconscious. The collection of data is so huge it needs to be partially unconscious. I recently understood it's because Ni uses the Se to collect sensory data by observing and then creating very detailed possibilities by connecting data with a recurrent meaning, while Ne uses the Si to remember their sensory experiences and develop an idea in many different directions by using their sensorial memory. Intuition is fascinating, isn't it?
A good way I like to view nise especially as first and fourth slot, se works unconsciously in the fourth slot, it gathers information from everywhere even places it might not have realized. It looks for a common pattern of logic and reference points to view the situation as a whole. Kind of like if you know a statue you can picture each side of it and how each contributes to the total. An example from everyday life is this:
My mom was like hey what’s this white powder on top of the fridge. I look up and see what she’s talking about. That is a weird spot to have powder. My brain immediately says “pancake mix”. Mom asks how I knew that cus I was right” and I just trace back my thoughts and think oh well there are cabinets right about the fridge and we keep mixing bowls up there and even though the pancake mix is in the lazy Susan next to the sink and I remembered making pancakes recently. I can even walk into rooms and know what’s happened the the past 5 min, gotten medical diagnoses correct for myself.
Too bad fourth slot se is hard ime to do things that we aren’t naturally better at (I loved Chem and bio but-failed calc 1 five times. And like you said fourth slot se also needs a solid plan. The moment my plan fell out the window I just freaked out and tried to regain footing 😅
Dang I wrote a lot 😂but now that I’m reading it back maybe ni first and se fourth is similar to chatgpt, grabbing relevant information based on subsets of how information is summarized on a good chunk of sites and what words usually follow what!
That's a good point about Ni being difficult to describe even for Ni users. It's probably why Ni is seen as mysterious. INTJs and INFJs are seen that way by extension too ~ Nathan
I think it's so difficult to explain because there are too many connections made from many real-life data that create a cohesive impression. And it can constantly be reinforced by any real-life interaction to the point where you can't keep track of life itself. It's about life observation and recurrent patterns. Also, it can even be about non-tangible things like subtext. Sometimes they can remember precise examples but they've seen the same example like 10 times already so it's not to take as one case but more generally. So it's very hard to communicate to people who don't pay attention a lot to their society or their environment at a general level. It probably explains why there is so much mystery around it indeed. But it's actually not so mysterious. Everyone actually uses it daily from the moment where they say an idea won't work without needing to think about precise logical reasons because their life experience already gives them the intuition an idea is too unpractical and will most likely fail for example.
I actually found an excellent video I recommand to everyone about Ni which is called: "How Introverted Intuition Actually Works", by the channel Think More Deeply and it explains things very clearly with diagrams.
@@kyurei4478 couldn’t agree more, it’s a background process to a degree, only really “utilized” when it’s balanced with seti. Mbti is so useful if you can understand the way it works as a whole. And the functions can be confusing since people put the wrong image of what a type is or what a function is, hell most people don’t even look at what slot affects what functions and how double observers are different from double deciders.
@@lovewho honestly good point there, when one can’t bring to words what they need to describe it can be like going into a doctors appointment without the correct words and terms to describe what pain you’re having or what you’ve tried. Sometimes even just being in pain can make it hard to connect with your words to the doctor. Or maybe that’s just how I view it😅
I’m definitely an Infj, but I love and admire intp and entps. Great video!
I hope this comment helps (cause ultimately, that is the aim). Having known many INTPs closely, the main difference I have been able to detect in me (compared to them) is my inability to accept norms and therefore struggle with environmental limits. And yes, that Te blindspot comes across easily (at least, in my case). Let’s look at the nicknames of the types - Analyst vs Advocate. Imagine what analysts do. They tend to be more withdrawn in their approach while considering things. Now, imagine an advocate - someone who fights to bring change. In real life, I tend to be very outspoken. Especially in a setting where there are rules to be challenged (or accepted) that influence freedom of expression. My brother’s main goal is reading and seeing how it fits into his framework. He is open to consider other ideas if I offer some and perhaps even change his opinion. My main goal is creating. For it, I need to understand the issue at hand yet not fit anything into an A to B framework. My framework is creating. It is odd in a way. Where others use creativity to let go of things, I use it as a way of finding (and even perfecting) myself. Now, I will give some examples to contrast the overall attitude between these 2. And for that, I will use the last 2 functions of the stack as well as the blindspot. Regardless of the dominant Ni vs Ti, the other functions in the stack have an influence in how the dominant one comes across. If I am working on an idea, isolated from people and the world, I tend to remain quiet, distant and even “unreachable” at times. It is somewhat true for my brother. Though, he spends his time either looking at things on the internet or talking to friends. Actually, he talks to his friends on Discord a lot when he is in his room. When I am in the mode of creating, I become completely isolated. Let’s switch the scenario now. Let’s add people in the mix. Then, I am focused on understanding the person talking and offering sincere feedback (which has often been too direct yet somehow still empathetic). My brother remains quiet. Same thing with a friend I have had. They talk more online than in real life. Online, I have found INTPs who lecture you how they are right and you are wrong (the more stressed version of a type). The unhealthy version of INFJ would burn everything around them. Either metaphorically or literally. And, let’s now look at Ti as third function and Te blindspot for INFJ and Si as third function and Se blindspot for INTP. If someone has Se in their stack and you constantly cross a line, they may punch you. Whether it is by using words or fists, it will still happen. Would an INTP do that? With Se as blindspot, highly unlikely. They will tell you your view is wrong because of Ti and the framework it uses. Si uses interoceptors while Se relies on exteroceptors. Si needs inner( bodily) balance (harmony). Which leads to Fe and the confusing “harmony” nickname. External things are reactive, objective, loud. What it means is that if a problem occurs between people, your ability to interject and sort things out would be higher or lower depending on the position it has in the stack. For INFJ is higher. For INTP is lower. Te blindspot comes with a challenge of accepting rules, norms and authority imposed from the outside. Se as a blindspot comes with a challenge of reacting to things in real time and fast. I am not sure how clear the explanation was. There are a lot of things to be considered here and ideas to be connected before reaching a conclusion and understanding the differences between types and cognitive preference. For those interested in Enneagram, it might help using that system in understanding behavior. In our case, I am social 1 while my brother is self-preserving 9.
I love the idea of the INTP being a logical framework builder, and an INFJ being a framework creator of the more ethically-orientated. It’s why both make such great advisors but in slightly different ways.
This is spot-on for me (INTP) and my wife (INFJ). Some insights in here that I haven't heard anyone else make about both types. So thank you! Excellent video.
Always cool to hear the things in the video line up with people's real life experiences! ~ Nathan
the golden pair!!!!!
Whether or not to bite my tongue is the eternal dilemma for me, a source of frequent second guessing of myself, the arena for much internal conflict and even warfare, the stage where I make some of my best moves and worst mistakes, or at least have some of my biggest regrets.
I think the confusion is partly because INTPs can be deeply sentimental and poetic, and like most Ns have an incredibly random sense of humour. I knew one once who had a sweet, calm temperament and was often compared to the genteel Gregory Peck. What made him INTP was his nerdy obsession with mathematical theory and his need to hibernate to work on his 'book' to disprove Cantor's Last Theorum. It also took him a long time to finish projects, but I think that's common with most folks getting older.
It takes INTPs longer to get things done
sentimental, poetic, with a random sense of humour and some 'nerdy fixation on something --- totally the INTP I know (and I love those 'nerdy' interests, too).
Love that description. Also yes, hibernation is a necessary ingredient to the INTP life recipe ~ Nathan
They both have Fe (which INTP can USE very well, while INFJ cant help it.) They also share Ti, so you can have a conversation with both that includes objective truth. And, because both don’t use Ti as a filter, their conclusions about things are connected to other ideas, so both take time to change their mind when proven wrong about something-needing to internally check with the tangential ideas first-and if Ti is not anchoring that process, they will entertain conspiracy (intp) or falsifiable spiritual things (infj) without running them through the same objective tests that they do for other ideas.
Another difference is that intp will do the absolute least effort needed for things that aren’t their priority, a brilliant resource saving technique-they save mental, physical and emotional energy this way. Infj on the other hand, can not refrain from mental energy being spent-with their thicker skinned emotional coating not helping themselves as much as others-and they often feel a physical strain because of the depth of this mental exertion.
To get to the inside of INTP- demonstrate Ti and Fe and don’t make them do the work of conversation, make them have the fun of calculating and responding. To get the inside of INFJ-Ti and Fe, but you cant get to the things that they have not run thru Ti-their pet ideas like astrology or something that they won’t run through Ti because they want the world to have some magic and mystery--since for both intp and infj-Ti solves the mysteries and leaves both with the reality that the world is more simply understood than most think-and that the real problems people face are usually due to their own inability to adapt Fe and Ti into their lives.
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actually, a good hypothesis/theory SHOULD (caps for emphasis) be falsifiable because only then can it actually be "proven" right. Thus, in your context "falsifiable spiritual things" can mean either 1) "spiritual things," as you call them, are, in fact, something that can be discussed/proven as a theory or a hypothesis at the very least; 2) your phrase is an oxymoron because whatever you call "spiritual things" cannot be tested in strictly scientifically, yet, if you refer to them as "falsifiable," then there should be a way to prove them if only by logical reasoning.
But generally, people who use words like "conspiracy" and "spiritual things" in a condescending tone are the ones who already have quite a bit of unwarranted generalizations and assumptions with an implied preponderance for the officially acknowledged "things," and hence could benefit from working on their Ti (if it's in their stack).
@@zzc8505 thanks for your comment!! lemme guess, Te user? 1) Falsifiable means able to be proven false- not proven true. And I didn’t want to say specifically what I meant out of respect to others but I was referring to astrology specifically, not spiritual things generally. Though there are many spiritual and philosophical things that can be logically proven false-and there are some that cannot be logically proven true or false one way or the other.
2) With Fi’s habit of making incorrect “tone” judgments, I would guess you’re intj, but a few different types can attach emotion where none was given. In fact, conspiracy and spiritual things were not condescending, and if you asked or showed either of them my posts you would see they agreed. The issue is, Ti usually waits until it understands to judge something-no need to react on partial information-so an idea called “conspiracy” is not positive or negative-people do conspire, and people make things up, and people can be confused. So, when intuitive thinkers with Ti enjoy conspiracy, it is usually in figuring them out and enjoying the process-not negative at all. And i touched on why infj might enjoy a discovery process like certain spiritual things-but ive found that often discussion of the deepest things to them is like forcing your way into their inner circle-you don’t have a shot, unless you’re already there.
3) Careful about using the thesaurus with Te-you will choose words that seem emotionally heavy (like preponderance) without using it correctly. (You need strong Ti for the process to happen naturally, but can be learned and strengthened like any cognitive function.) It doesn’t mean the same as superiority exactly, and being specific implies nothing. I was being explicit-stating it clearly-and those who aren’t afraid of objective truth appreciate and respect that. And, avoiding logically fallacious discussion, the Ti user would seek to understand what was meant and not attempt an attack based on someone’s “implied” thing or a “vibe or mood” of it, or the way something was delivered. Thats Fi Te stuff, and its why bold users of such will respond to clear crushings like this with either a polite joke and backing away or a response ignoring their improper usages of words and misunderstandings and attempting another personal diss. And if the latter, begins a deliciously fun series of mic drops that certain NeTi users just can’t pass up. You do better by going for the honey, if you want to stir up the nest, dude.
4) Ti doesn’t make unwarranted generalizations and assumptions-thats how Ti works-but if you want to know how projection works, your post displays it.
And that too is explained by the cog stack. You being a Te user will not excel in Ti, using it only in your shadow, so you associate it with your familiarity of it-and Te which allows for subjectivity makes you think that anyone speaking with Ti is doing what you do: using words wrong or putting emotion and opinion in, and trying to force a point. And your Fi is naturally skeptical of Fe, because your familiarity is using it in your shadow, and you can’t comprehend someone stating ideas without having their personal feelings and opinions involved. Again, Fe and Ti do this normally, and to us its weird and unhelpful when emotion or opinion are forced into understanding of something that has no emotional implications within itself. So, I imagine these sort of discussions come up with you a lot, where you come out strong but are proven to have made mistakes because you assumed things or thought you found implications. But, Fe and Ti together come off that way to FiTe (its why they fight-they FiTe) because these important opposing functions express and receive info differently-and only recognize the others actions from their own shadow experiences.
The solution to the war between FiTe and FeTi? Niceness and harmony and patience in understanding, asking to learn, then making judgments. Things that FiTe find very hard. 🤪
@@ReverendElation tbh, this comment of yours is as convoluted and riddled with contradictions/untested assumptions and prejudices as the original post. And I have neither time nor desire to tease it all out. You may benefit from disciplining your Ti to tighten up your logical reasoning and prevent your preconceived notions/biases from affecting your conclusions so conspicuously.
Btw, I don't need a "thesaurus" lol - I am in a research field and I know what "falsifiable" means in regard to theories/hypothesis, as well as some other things you mentioned. (If there is a possibility that something is false, there is a possibility that something can be true -- that's how "falsifiability" works in theories/hypothesis, e.g., you work through possible objections thereby strengthening your theory/hypothesis). Nice try at sarcasm, but you missed it. And I'll just add that I don't even have a Te (and if you thought I was a Te user, it just further suggests that you really need to work on your Ti if you have one).
@@zzc8505 Right, don’t address the claims, double down, (didn’t look up falsifiable? of course the ability to prove things wrong is helpful in finding out what works-but something that can be proven right is its antonym verifiable. But who cares about semantics? Its about the point.) And again, you know which types think “tbh” etc add to their argument? Ill let you guess. And when you mature and put more stock in your ideas than choosing big words, you’ll be more productive and influential. (And it will keep you focused enough to stay on topic) Also, when you guess wrong, and its not due to a Te misunderstanding, (and we all have all of them) then that shows something even worse than just type differences. So, uh, 😂😂😂🤡 and especially 😉.
I’m just an INTP with a trauma response (people pleasing). Tho I’m finally learning to handle my traumas and being more myself!🙈
Same here! Learning to be more true to ourselves
THANK YOU, I needed this.
But also, I don't know how you always answer what I'm thinking with your uploads.
Like, I know algorithms and the internet causes some hivemind effect on us, but your uploads are so consistent with something I was wondering about that it is crazy 💀
Given the mystique that gets built up around INFJs as "the rarest personality type" I had been worrying about this very distinction, and whether I really am one of The Few or just something close. Well, now I do not have to wonder any more. It seems from this that I'm a textbook INFJ... for better and worse ;p Thanks for your crystalline perception and expression!
The Mystique is less about the Rarest Type ― it's more about it being the most Intuitive Type. Which is true.
Y know from all the other videos I always thought that I was more of an INFJ bc I’m nice 💀…this video was great at explaining the two types :)
I think this mistype is far more common than people realise. Hopefully this brought you some clarity or confirmation! ~ Nathan
I'm glad you made this video, as this one's been wrecking my head. My best friend is INFJ, but fits the surface-level stereotypes of an INTP, and is therefore very un-stereotypical of an INFJ. For instance, his dress sense is kind of INTP-slobbish and nerdy, as is his attitude to hair styling. He was always the class maths nerd, and he has a degree in engineering.
But his Fe is very strong. He is absolutely a tongue-biter, unless the situation permits honesty, in which case he can be brutal in his assessments. He will go to superhuman lengths to avoid anything that might be awkward, and is always socially managing the group. If I'm being too loud in a store, or even just standing in the way of people, it kills him inside. Despite his INTP-ish appearance, his house is fairly clean and well organised. When my INTP twin brother is around, the night becomes much more disorganised and rambling, whereas when it's just the two of us (I'm INTJ), things are much more focused and productive -- even if we're just hanging out.
I haven't heard it mentioned, but I think INFJs might have a kind of ISTP mode, much like us INTJs have an ISFP mode. My friend is one of the most practically intelligent people I know, and can find ways around physical problems everyone else has missed. Will Graham in the Hannibal Lecter series is a good example of this, who is often working on engines, making fishing lures, and so on.
I personally can only have an "ISTP mode" when having discussions where a lot Ti is being used. What I value in ISTPs most is their logic. Otherwise than that, we're totally different types and we don't really connect on other levels than the logical one.
@@PriHL What about on an Se level, with practical application and physical interaction? Surely Ti scenarios happen a lot, especially in typically male nerdy scenarios?
@@johnknight9150 This is a possibility for some people but the ISTP's Se is generally better than the INFJ's. Not necessarily in the male and nerdy scenarios but in daily interactions which can highlight both types' use of Ti like in conversations or coming to some conclusions about different things.
@@PriHL Oh, absolutely. When I talk about INFJs having an "ISTP mode", or INTJs having an "ISFP mode", I'm talking about more of an emulation, an imitation, or a mistaken first impression.
Some days I could swear I'm really an ISFP, and all that silly INTJ nerdy stuff can all go hang. But it would probably only be a week maximum after I joined someone's hippy guru cult in the middle of the desert that I would start troubleshooting all the computers and re-designing the networks! ;-)
@@johnknight9150 Yeah, that's what this emulation can look to the outside world and at times even to ourselves. But we know it is only an emulation and the true self is very different from that.
MUCH of what is said of INFJs here also ABSOLUTELY DOES ring true for myself as an INTJ.
being that i was a psychology major in college, i took a GREAT MULTIPLE short-form MBTI inventories throughout my term there and; i mostly (like, 95% of the time) got INTJ but, i also rarely scored as an INTP.
in self-evaluating my own attitude/approach throughout those GREAT MULTIPLE tests, i noted that when i scored more often as an INTJ i had taken a more decisive approach - noting decisively whether i agreed or disagreed with whichever current question/item on the test i was doing.
whereas during the other times when i scored as an INTP i had taken a more open-style and indecisive approach to my answers.
so, i can ONLY imagine that reflects THE MAIN difference between J and P types. J types see a need for certainty (be it positive or negative) in their lives. meanwhile P types MUST like to keep their options open and are more capable of quickly adapting to 'bumps in the road' toward achieving their ideals as they might, by chance, come up.
- (again) INTJ
It makes sense that there'd be lots of overlap both between INTJs and INFJs as well as INTJs and INTPs. It's funny because I don't often talk about the J vs P distinction but yes I agree, the desire for certainty and closure is definitely a J thing ~ Nathan
Great description of what a cognitive function is. People often get them confused with conscious decisions. You are right, cognitive functions are more instinctual and sub-conscious than that. They are what we naturally are and how we are designed to think and behave. We have to consciously fight against the way our cognitive functions work by default when or first instinct would be inappropriate or disadvantageous in a given situation.
The conscious decisions that we make to deal with situations often have a recognizable pattern, but they are not the same thing as our cognitive functions. Sometimes our behavior is in line with our functions, but not always.
I used to test (both self test and by professional personality typers) as an INTJ consistently, but as I get older I now test more like an INFJ. I'm not as driven to achieve some lofty goal as I used to be and have become much more of an intellectual, studying things for the sake of enjoying learning. If I could be a monk studying in a monastery, I think I would.
Once I've decided that I've come up with a plan that I am sure will work, having to deviate from it is very stressful.
@1:48 of the two--- I would probably say, "because it serves a greater purpose or for logical reasons" more times than "because it just feels right" ... what does that mean/ translate to?
This branching analogy was very clear and helpful !
Great video!
I wonder is you could further clarify your type preference by analyzing how you go about writing.
Like if you take forever to write a comment on a RUclips video vs. writing one quickly.
I tend to take quite a while due to simulating how the comment could be understood by the reader first and try to be precise in word choice, and will delete it if there is no or negative feedback in order to prevent further unforeseen consequences.
While I suppose everyone would do this to some degree, it seems “Control” is more important to me. (Despite the reality is that there is no way to completely control a situation.)
This is an interesting question. My gut reaction is that yes, you might be able to tell certain things about someone's type from their approach to writing. However, when I'm thinking back to what people have said it's not an obvious correlation. For example, it's kind of a running joke that INTPs take ages to leave a comment and will write and rewrite it over and over. I imagine the same is true for lots of J types as well because they want to structure what they're saying in a really clear way ~ Nathan
Ha!!
Nathan explaining us the details are his own internal monologue contemplating his own type 😆
Wow u answered my question thank you❤
I’m very glad to hear this! ~ Nathan
5:29 Process
takes me forever
I'm always a deviant! Except when I force myself to follow through
So I think that I have just developed my Ni to counteract my Ne chaos and because my dad is my role model and I'm sure he is INTJ or ISTJ so I have had practice for a while which is why I get confused
Thank you so much for the clarification and thank you if you read my ramblings.
Its certainly the judging axis that can cause confusion. Whether its an INTP that utilises their inferior Fe more or an INFJ that utilises their Ti more. Whilst both being intuitive types and not value the sensory world as much. I'm an INTP but even I've question multiple times whether I'm an INFJ or not since I have a fairly developed Fe
Hey Nathan, can you please talk about the effect of language on our personality type because for me personally as an infp i become more confident and assertive when i speak English as opposed to when i speak my native language.
Love your videos btw❤
This is an excellent and often overlooked point. I'm gradually working on a video about how to type yourself where I just muse on the best approach to it. I will include a point about this in there too since it's an important factor! ~ Nathan
Thank you. I've been considering myself as an INFJ for years ,and then I took the test again this weekend and it came up as INTP, which confused me because I've never had that result before. Like some videos have mentioned about INFJs, it's kind of a struggle to know who we are, so the MBTI results keep changing for me. I've had results all over the place over the past 20 years: INFJ, INFP, ENFJ, INTJ, IS-somethingsomething, and now there's INTP.
Over this past weekend, I've been wondering if what's really been going on is that as I move from place to place, and job to job, I mold myself into what I think the others around me want me to be, for the purposes of survival.
But for the past few years I've been somewhat of a hermit and lone wolf (no friends, no family, no boyfriend, no online companions, no relationships with neighbors), just the bare minimum of interacting with coworkers for the purposes of getting money for rent and food. I did get a cat, though, in 2022.
But in the process of finally getting some decent "alone time," I've slowly been learning more about who I am.
But this video helped clear up the question of INTP vs. INFJ.
I think the problem with the MBTI test I took this weekend is that it was asking questions about what I currently do (some of it is stuffing myself away so that I can survive on Earth and not the real "me", but another problem is that I am 44 and still don't quite know who the real "me" is.
Perhaps I never will.
But now I'm settling back down into a peaceful internal state, now that the question of INTP vs. INFJ is being settled in my brain.
Thank you Nathan for making this video, this is actually a very common mistype and one I’ve been debating for a while 😭
I've been meaning to do it for a while but just never got around to it. Hopefully it was helpful! ~ Nathan
@@lovewho Yes it was! I'm now fairly certain that im an infj although i still do share many traits with the intp
2:31 oh wow. I do this a lot. Now you've got me wondering. Im aware of the problem three steps ahead and I get stressed out if plans change unexpectdly.
3:29 ah, but I'm definitely an Ne user.
4:00 oh when put that way maybe that is what I do. Maybe I am an INFJ.
I definitely have a bit of anxiety about the future so I began to doubt my main type. Any environment that involves communicating with people in person requires a lot of planning to avoid
another good one - I know an INTP and the dynamic b/w us is precisely as described! Completely agree on the "physiological" nature of the functions. Even after I learned about Fe and recognized its (often unwelcome) influence on my life, I still cannot turn it off, so functions are hard wired into people. However, now that I am aware of it, am learning to control it and sometimes it works, but it has to be a conscious effort (esp. when I know I want to and I have to be blunt with "snowflaky sensitivities" LOL instead of sugar coating everything again). And I love my Ti
That's a good point - they can definitely be controlled with effort. People should aim to do that as much as possible otherwise we're too beholden to them ~ Nathan
this was REALLY helpful! thank you
I still have some difficulty knowing which one I am.
I think I prefer Ni above Ne: I'm always searching for an overall conclusion though I also like to brainstrom and I value nuance. I can also resonate more with the want of control but I feel like I can be quite spontaneous as well (as long as I haven't planned something already).
But I also use Ti a lot, maybe even as much as Ni. I'm much more of a truth teller than someone who holds their tongue. Although I certainly have become a lot more tactful over the years I'm still learning to keep my thoughts to myself as I do really value harmony and I certainly don't want to hurt someone. But Fe takes more energy for me than Ti does and it comes less naturally.
Maybe I'm in a Ni-Ti loop or maybe it's more difficult to type me because I'm autistic, idk anymore.
1:55 usually I hold what I say if I think the person I'm talking to will just be dismissive or talk about bull that they just came up with to defend their opinion over fact; I do hold opinions in a place of value as I love exploring other ideas and hearing other peoples creative insight YET when it is on a serious or universally moral matter(not grey scale but actually thinks like is manipulation bad -yes because you take away other peoples abilities and put them at a disadvantage like a parasite would to it's prey) is related to a process of efficiency that I've already disproven to myself, inhibits my ability to preform a task in the least bothersome way (thorough but to the point so I expend less effort). ... I lost the thread ... I'm in a low level mania because of little sleep and a lot of change.
I'll restate. (again 😅) I hold opinions as important to where I wont dismiss them to be rude. Some things I do NEED to say though for the improvement of the person and my environment. I can hold myself back from explaining things but it builds up over time to a point where I need to unleash my thoughts and analysis. I DID grow up with a lot of people in my family who were super sensitive and I had to tip-toe around so I mostly stayed quiet because I was aware of the annoyance of crackling egg shells caused for me long term. Many unhealthy people so I developed my Fe ... it still makes me uncomfortable to shut up so another person can stay in "poor me" mentality. I get needing help but there is a level of manipulation after you give them every tool they need to dig themselves out.
Fully aware of my ramble train I'll stop there lol bit I hope that wasn't taken the wrong way.
Thank you! This helps soooo much. I always bounce between if I'm INTP of INFJ and it seems based on this video that I'm more likely to be INTP.
Thank you! Thanks to this video, I can be certain for a few minutes that I am an INTP.
I used to mistype as INTP regularly - great awareness to see how similar these two types can seem
Whenever I take personality assessment quizzes, I almost always get like 100% IN, 50/50 T/F, 60% P.
So I'm not surprised by this comparison at all. Thanks for making this video
Excellent!
I thought I was… well, both.
Tests said INFJ, and it seemed right for a while, until it stopped making sense because I valued Ti over Fe.
So, I found INTP to be a much better, overall match. Concluding that I was still an intuitive, I must have gotten the idea of Ni by using Ti and Ne in conjunction…
…until that stopped making sense as well. Primarily it started to seem unlikely when I realized that I had Aphantasia, and that clashed with my concept of Ne. Turns out that I was an ISTP in a Ti/Ni loop. 🤦♂️😂
The thing is that I have a close family member who is definitely an INFJ, and that has affected my development so that I behave with high Fe and low Se, with Ti and Ni practically being merged. But I’m coming out of it, doing a lot more Se and it’s rounding me out well.
It’s kinda odd to realize after my teens that I’m actually quite able to be impulsive.
i heard that can happen. i think it means you expand your way of thinking becaus MBTI is how you prefer to think or how your cognitive function. my INFJ sister used to be struggling to set boundaries because her Fe, but she's more logical now. probably because the way i think as INTP also influence her
I made a video recently called "how to figure out your personality type". I think there might be some useful things in there for you when it comes to blurring the lines between different types or simply moving beyond these categorisations ~ Nathan
@@lovewho Just watched it, and yes that is very aplicable to my situation. The “fake it ‘till you find it” was the main way that I found my type. 🥲
3:49 Ne is inductive reasoning where Ni is deductive reasoning? Is that correct? I know that I haven't fully learned these concepts so I'll study on them but in part I had used to think that inductive is taking in more information then deductive is going from several concepts down to a core concept. Feel free to kindly correct me and I think I'll compare these things later with further study.
Very good.
Thank you! Hope you enjoyed the video. Feel free to check out some of the other videos on the channel if you haven’t already! ~ Nathan
I see myself as an INTP, but I do notice that my autism may portay me to need control and minimise chaos. However, I seem to contradict myself in this sense as I sometimes wish for chaos to not be bored. What are peoples comments on this?
I think you're most likely still an INTP because another big difference is Ni users are never bored and always have the different things they need to do in mind to accomplish a bigger objective. They can create stories and theories from everything they notice in their environment so it keeps them entertained. They don't feel a need to search for sensory stimulation, but rather intellectual stimulation. That's why Ni users aren't as much concerned with being funny or entertaining for example, while it seems to be a major concern for Ne users. Ni users will seek order to feel at peace instead.
@@kyurei4478 ok that makes sense thank you
@@leonfirth-jt5eu You're welcome!
OK, so i like informationall chaos, because i like the feeling of trying to come up with a unique abstraction that would fit all or most of the "branches" and then start another chaos from there and see where it leads, unify them again, lather, rinse, repeat. What kind of intuition is this?
For example, in work situations i like to find common ground in some project data so i can build some abstract model im my head that will help me "feel" the project better. There is a co-worker that always "side-steps" in his head when dealing with uknown situations. I never do this - i only move forward forgetting all the side tracks becoming hyperfocused on my own "true" path
BUT when i do hobbies and projects for fun, drawing or doing other creative stuff - i don't care where it leads. I just like to observe the chaos in my mind and speak it out loud with others to bounce ideas around and see what comes up naturally.
Both situations energize me if they resonate with my inner visions. And both can tire me out if the are forced upon me like a routine or something. Oh, and i hate strategy games
Infj are almost always described as calm and rarely displaying aggression even when angered and that just... is not me. My anger is usually over injustice and is a lot of bark with no bite. I've never typed as anything other than an infj-t. and my psychotherapist who is well versed in mbti accurately predicted my type result (she told me this after I tested). I was raised by people with not great emotional regulation, have the adhd, anxiety, depression trio and fit the highly sensitive person bill. Pretty much every other infj characteristic rings true for me
This is interesting. I wonder if based on this you feel like you come across as an unusual INFJ compared to other people of this type? ~ Nathan
I feel like a less common mistype can be an INTP typing as an ISTJ specifically
on the MBTI test. If an INTP has learnt to be very well organized, structured and scheduled they may type as an ISTJ in the 16 personalities test due to how it is formatted and designed.
Coming back to this I’d like to add that now I feel that this is not restricted to the MBTI tests but in general when taking a test, typing someone, etc.
I really disagree lmao. What your saying applies maybe to INTP 5w6, they can appear a bit ISTJ like. But INTP 5w4 are NOTHING like ISTJ, more like INFJ imo. From an INTP 5w4 by the way, I can't really get along with ISTJs for a long time. Cutting class, being lazy, not following rules, laid back, not practical whatsoever, delving into unconscious and abstract ruminations 24/7 - idk how different to ISTJ you could get.
hey nathan! love your videos. I'm sure you've been asked this a few times, but have you ever thought about making a video where you discuss rough percentages of each type in the overall population? i.e. 30% of people are istjs, 7% are infps, etc.
I'm sure people would love the video, and I bet it would get a lot of views, likes, subscribers. I'll enjoy the content you make regardless, but that's one video concept I've been hoping for. cheers!
I doubt it is possible to have data of any degree of accuracy worth paying attention to. Too many self-ID and self-report, esp. in the current online environment, so that alone will already skew the results significantly. The more accurate info could be obtained from the official certified MBTI tests, but I doubt that the percentage of the population that gets tested like that is significant/large enough to speak of any kind of type distribution tendencies.
I've pondered the ratios in my mind, and the state of the world makes sense.
Hello! :) For me, I was an INFJ last year and took the test this year and got INTP, but I feel like I lean more towards the INFJ traits yet also the INTP traits. Except the controlling part, I'm not a very controlling person. I looked at the results and compared them side by side, and this is what it said for INFJ "53% Introverted, 61% Intuitive, 59% Feeling, 54% Judging, 68% Turbulent." and then for my INTP result, I got "78% Introverted, 68% Intuitive, 58% Thinking, 79% Prospecting, 76% Turbulent." So now I'm confused if I'm an INFJ with INTP characteristics? Or INTP with INFJ characteristics? Which one is it?
mmm the bit about biting tongue for harmony... fine and good when its something very minor and i know saying anything will only start an argument that does not need to happen. however, if its about the relationship, of any sort, then not speaking up sounds like sweeping problems under rug and pretending all is well and wont come back to bite anyone in the ass later. then no. speaking up, biting back and even having an argument is very important. true harmony is good, but i wont touch the fake stuff.
also i think i'm uncomfortable with the word control. because of it sounds like its control over other people, instead of myself. not even control of the situation. its more like control over
being uncomfortable in any situation. the situation is not the issue, its me and my own reactions to it. so i do like to think ahead but mostly so i can put myself in the right headspace to adapt as fast as possible and to instantly be chill and go with the flow no matter what comes. to me all that is internal XD but everytime a vid talks about it, it makes it seam like infjs go around showing all this on the surface, which some maybe are, i dont know. still learning.
How about Art Movements as Mbti. You know like Renaissance, Cubism etc. Your Channel is perfect for art topics.
9000+ time asking for INTJ/ISTJ dichotomy. Though, I gradually start to get it myself. Still, it's never bad to listen some expert opinion
About the video - I like how we INTJs go near our INFJ bros and still they go hikking inside their souls/homes/etc. I guess it's that T/F difference (that is, INTJean Te function). It's like the obvious thought for us, that you will not see the world until you don't cross your doorline, for INFJs becomes a serious psychological barrier. I always want to say to my INFJ friend, "c'mon, we have to see it, we have to try it, we have to change it, we have to do something, we have to find our place, somewhere else, somewhere else", but every time he agrees with me, something keeps him on the same place. For years, soon for a decade already. I want to help him, but I don't know whether I should to and whether I have the right to. Something like that.
When starting to play a game like world of warships or tanks or shopping for something, I usually spend way too much time searching for the best product or best ship/tank in the game example or when making decisions to make the optimal one which makes most sense, because I want to be certain that my money or time is well spent and I am getting the best result. Years ago with the games, I even told colleagues, I am not even focused on the game itself until I have the highest tier ship or tank, fun on the path wasn't important to me, but I hate mistakes and wasted time and always ask, what makes sense most, which type does this sound to you?
Oh and the best path thing goes so far as making me want to control and organize everything as else I fell paralized not knowing what I should do
The first part of your comment would say that you are an intp but the second part of being controlling and outcome focused seems infj esk. But if I had to say, you are mostly probably an intp with analysis paralysis.
I ask myself this every day. I seem to have Ne inferior Fe but I also seem to have Ni but even though I "know" the difference between Ne and Ni, I still have issues with the nuances because there could be so many possibilities (which strikes me as Ne) I could go on but a little tired right now
Having type 9 as enneagram adds a lot to the confusion, since e9 J types are much more go-with-the-flow and less keen to make decisions
Yup, and to add to it INTPs can also be e9, including 9w1, which in addition to making them seem more INFx-ish will give them a little more routiney-ness and rigidity from the 1 wing (believe I may be one myself)
True. I got a practically even score between 1w9 and 9w1 even if it was a bit in favor of 1w9 so I'm usually conflicted between taking action or going with the flow and generally speaking INFJs are probably the least susceptible to make decisions among the J types because of the Fe+Ti combo which creates this similarity with the INFP type for example. You might easily confuse an INFJ with a "P" type most of the time to be honest.
😓 I still don't know what my type is... I'm like intp mixed with infj!!! Why I'm like this?? If anyone could help me please do.
_I seek knowledge for the sake of knowledge, i love the "Why" question a lot, i love brainstorming even with surreal answers
_i know that i have a good Ti and weak Te function
_I really understand people emotionally or what they wanna say or how they are thinking, their agendas their intuition and why they are like this, that's how i decide who could understand me and who couldn't
_i'm extremely hesitant when taking a choice taking a lot of time to process
_i enjoy the process of thinking way more than achieving it and seeing the results
i used to tongue-bite a lot despite wanting to speak up so badly in certain situations, partially due to social anxiety and lack of confidence, but also and maybe more importantly so, because i had one extremely emotionally unreliable parent that would get disproportionately angry over minor inconveniences. therefore i adapted and essentially emotionally babysitted that parent and other people like him, usually other emotionally immature boys or men, just to not provoke what i thought to be “unnecessary conflict” despite sometimes really wanting to push back and “put him in his place” (which sounds weird to say as a kid about your parent but he sometimes definitely is in need of that) and felt immensely shameful when i didn’t manage to do so.
what do you guys think about this in conjunction with this video? because i’m quite confused about my type atm
Could you make a video about ISTP vs ESTP, cause I think a lot of people have this problem with confusing these two types with each other, including me.
I thought I was an ISTP for a long time, but came to the conclusion that I’m probably an ESTP. Now I’m still torn between which of these two I actually am.
As INTP i really suffer when there's something said wrong, but I still hold on until people see me (trying to get) distracted and ask me my opinion, and that's when I can't hold it anymore, I get a tad cynical and try to say things as respectfully as I can and deviate from the conversation
Question. Is it possible that when you were kid - you were ENTP, when teenager - INTJ, and in 40s you became INFJ? Tests show that I'm INFJ right now, but from what I remember about my childhood - it feels like ENTP, and in school I did the test it showed me as INTJ 🤔
Strictly speaking, that isn’t something that’s possible with personality types. However, one person can grow and mature a lot to the point where they will resemble many different types naturally. Those three types you mentioned have various things in common. For example, they’re all intuitive dominant types (and therefore sensing inferior types) ~ Nathan
@@lovewho Thanks for the reply! 😘
I should note that auxiliary function and the witch function may be of almost equal strength.(and preference) or rather to be safer- the witch function (if that's what it is called) may the third strongest function followed by the tertiary and others to follow- working in more furtive and devious ways. Why is the intj not only concerned about efficiency but also truth and accuracy. Tearing people down with logic at every chance they get and prowess of language. Why is the infj deeply individualistic and has personal boundaries that won't be crossed by other people (although the infj is more passive about) and nor by logic? Compared to their almost completely selfless enfj counterparts. (Also entj vs intj)The intp wouldn't be capable of the wonders of his/her cerebrum mainly based on the functions that are hit you first and most apparently.
No one has ever called it the witch function. Until now.
@@TaxingIsThieving is it not? Whatever the name for the sixth function
@@JackAka-le8cz😅 It’s called “critical parent” and that sounds suitable enough for what you explained above
@@rayanbahsoun thank you for that. I remembered last week that it was the critic (while I was just going about my life) and I tried to squeeze it out of me brain how I could have known it as the 'witch function'. How wicked!😅
Next video idea: Give real life examples od Ne and Ni.
I think i am an INTP but this question is bugging me, 2:40, what would a scenario be of control? Like a real life scenario?
Like controlling the the process of something or the outcome of the future. Like planning a party for example. You may want it exactly how you planned it and if something changes it may deeply distress you even if the party still turns out to be a success. On the other hand, If something changes you'll probably just go around it. And at the end if you find that the party is still successful and you're happy with the *outcome* you won't even care about what happened during the *process*
Basically he's asking if you have to have everything how you want it or can you step back and let stuff happen and still be happy.
Hope that helps🤷🏽♀️
That part did set me on a questioning my type as well, but @kristlecasey9506, your answer helped me get back into being an INTP. :D
@@kristlecasey9506ya i really wouldnt mind if it doesnt go according to what I'd imagined. If it was going well and was overall good then no problem. I think i answered it. Thank you, INTP it is.
@@danielveres4351ya as an INTP, what would make you stressed during a party contrary to an infj?
@@kgv5179 no problem 👍🏽
*closeted INTP* - INFJ
Please do something in depth on ISTJ -- they are often taken for granted and overlooked undeservedly. And ESFP (aside from their overly "social" stereotype).
ISTJ and ISTP are definitely the most overlooked (From an INTP)
Can you do one for INTJ vs. INFP?
I’m intp so I have Ne, so I’m always choosing more and more options and more ways and can’t keep in one thing and it drives me crazy, I always can’t choose just one thing I’m always switching between options and it’s so stressful, is that normal?
I work in a fast past environment, a factory. If there's a machine down someone needs to fix it and I'll either do it or call a mechanic to do it. Some mechanics and fellow operators don't listen to operators. I will side-step conflict like I'm moving at bullet time and let a Mechanic or someone else step in and fix it even though I know how to do it. I'm not gonna argue with them. I'll just sip my tea (not literally) while they do the dirty work for me. They can even believe that I'm incapable. They can even tell other people that I'm incapable. But sometime down-the-line, maybe months from then, when that problem arises again and I'm the only one who can fix it, I will. Instantly and efficiently. And then everyone will look back and think "wow hes actually that good?"
I don't care about proving myself, I have learned at my own pace for years, I'm flexible, and I can pivot around problems quickly. I still get paid the same whether or not I work intensely or leisurely.
I love using other people's ego against them. Idk but I think that makes me an INTP.
Intp: so this is how it's done.
Infj: ideally, but that's impractical.
Intp: ?
Infj: I agree though, I just don't see it happening
Intp: bunch of idiots
Infj: I know, but...if you don't give practical advice, then what we doing
Intp: bunch of normies
Infj: can't win, can I?
Intp: :D
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@@hanjesse31 ?
Feels like a pretty realistic conversation between infj and intp/entp. Infjs know when they won though cause they can easily read between the lines and intps/entps become biased like in this situation :P. They would just like intps/entps could be less childish and recognize it but it just seems to be a Ne trait ah ah! In the end, the most important for infjs is that the message is at least implicitly understood.
I literally go back and forth between both INTP and INFJ... Or mixed at the same time. No that' these tests are life deciding, but still. I am both lol
Okay. Now I'm back to INTP. Thank you!
Would it follow that INTJ / INFP have similarities that result in confusion/mistype?
They share the same problems and joys that Fi and Te bring- though i think that INFP gets more joy and pain cuz Fi and Ne, while intj gets their joy and pain through Fi and Te.
My entp daughter made a link to similarities of these types. I didn't see it til she pointed it out
@Love Who: What do you think your type is? INFJ or INTP? Can INFJs also be like INTPs in being accurate and precise with conversations and choice of words? If I prefer to have a “best” way of doing things, is this more likely INFJ than INTP?
Do you have a video about eneagram? I'm an INTP 9w8 and i want to know more about. It says that this type looks like an INFP
*snowflakey sensitivity ? As an INFJ/HSP it hurts 😔 Please send tissues 😂
Only an INTP view after all 😌.
Searching an INTP who shares the same worldview as me. So if you are an INTP, can we be friends online?
I am tired of this life. I desperately need to talk to someone who thinks like me.............
We need a video explaining why ENTPs can't be core enneagram 8?
Searching an INTP who shares the same worldview as me.. So if you are an INTP, can we be friends online? your social media pls?
I am tired of this life. I desperately need to talk to someone who thinks like me.
Not a strange type comparison at all... (i am praying that you would do a ENFP and INFJ comparison.....)
Hmm. feels like this video is gearing towards guiding people in self-typing. Sometimes, making such good video... will take away the job of those who want to type people..
Being good at something can be a double edge sword.. hmm.
I have to watch this a few times.....
The definitions for Ni and Ne are incomplete. And mentioning just the branching characteristics of the two doesn't offer enough information for someone to visualize or fully understand the spectrum on which these two functions work.
Ne works on the external, visible reality. It is a function more similar to Se than Ni because of this. Although Ne takes reality very briefly compared to Se and more branched (like in the illustration provided in the video), because it doesn't observe it as it is, but creates quick impressions of the objects and links them together based on function. And here the "creativeness" of Ne comes from.
Whilst Se takes reality as it is, with no additional processing or linking. Fully focused on whatever can be taken in using our sensing organs.
So, Ne is an objective cognitive function, based on observable reality. Where it links external elements based on function. Because of this Ne users can trace back the origins of their insight easily.
Ni is a subjective function, inwardly directed - creating a web of meaning. Therefore its users have a harder time to trace back the origin of insight, as connection points made with it aren't always based on observable, objective reality, or follow a constant criteria in how the connections take place, so they are not as easy to describe in words.
Jung tied Ne to the collective conscious - Ne users being attuned to the outer manifestation of human consciousness, therefore holding understanding of human cultural manifestations and trends, being knowledgeable of subcultures (cultural archetypes/memes).
While Ni being tied to the collective unconscious, therefore being attuned to the unconscious forces that drive humanity and the world of primordial archetypes (those that have been described by Jung).
@@FodSoul
No, they work differently. INTPs use Ti mostly with Si. In this case they manage to have a better visual representation of certain things in their mind (as they make associations based on sensations more easily). And a quicker, linear logic.
This combined with Ne (outward connections based on function), makes them better adapted to subjects such as mathematics, engineering.
Ni is more focused on meaning. Also it does make wider, more complex connections, but also consumes more energy and takes more time to solidify ideas. Sometimes having to explore one idea on the course of the entire life.
@@FodSoul
I didn't hear about this name for INTP. Every personality can be more or less philosophical, or philosophize in its own way.
If we were to take Fi and Ti dominants here-
Both INFPs and INTPs have analytical, philosophical thoughts through the lens of their ego dominant function.
Fi and Ti are subjective and creative.
Ti is creative with thoughts and certain systems around them - a thought is projected forward without being based in concrete (empirical) reality.
Fi is creative with the feelings and morality connected to them. And projects feelings without an empirical base.
Then they might make certain projections with them on society through the lens of Ne, which focuses on outside reality. What I said earlier related to collective conscious.
Philosophy has many branches as well. So don't know what exactly you mean by deep thought. Thinking for longer, thinking more expansively? Making better connections related to systems? Being more grounded in reality or having a bigger lens? Related to meaning, society, morality/ethics, beliefs?
@@FodSoul
No, this isn't the case.
All extraverted functions are objective, not subjective, therefore not "creative", not in the classical sense of what creative means at least where we project ideas that might not have connection with reality.
Ne is focused on external plane where it makes quick connections like I mentioned, based on function. So it gives the impression of creativity by combining concrete things in ways that that could seem unexpected, depending also on how the other functions worked with Ne.
One good example of this process is the main character from Ghibli studio animation "The Wind Rises", called Jiro Horikoshi, who got inspiration for a new plane design by observing mackerel bones directly.
@@FodSoul
For you personally it might sound logical. But Ne wasn't defined that way in typology, either by Jung or by the MBTI system.
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"Whenever intuition predominates, a peculiar and unmistakable psychology results. Because extraverted intuition is oriented by the object, there is a marked dependence on external situations, but it is altogether different from the dependence of the sensation type."
"Sensation is a hindrance to clear,
unbiassed, naïve perception; its intrusive sensory stimuli direct attention to the physical surface, to the very things round and beyond which intuition tries to peer. But since extraverted intuition is directed predominantly to objects, it actually comes very close to sensation;
indeed, the expectant attitude to external objects is just as likely to make use of sensation. Hence, if intuition is to function properly, sensation must to a large extent be suppressed. By sensation I mean in this instance the simple and immediate sense-impression understood as a clearly
defined physiological and psychic datum. This must be expressly established beforehand because, if I ask an intuitive how he orients himself, he will speak of things that are almost indistinguishable from sense-impressions. Very often he will even use the word “sensation.” He does have sensations, of course, but he is not guided by them as such; he uses them merely as starting-points for his perceptions. He selects them by unconscious predilection."
(C. Jung, Psychological Types)
So the only unconscious process taking place in the extraverted intuition is in the process of linking the external objects. Extraverted intuition doesn't have any other internal process or a direct link to the realm of archetypes, such as Ni does. The only internal processes INTP use are Ti and Si.
You could consider being mistyped in any case. Maybe look into ISFP or ISTP.
@@FodSoul
I was mentioning creativity in relation to the definition of the word used in typology. This is why I felt the need to underline its use in a more accentuated way.
In MBTI typology or in the Jungian definition of the cognitive functions, the introverted functions are considered to be creative or subjective and the extraverted functions as objective or based on the empirical.
If we are to consider creativity in the general sense of the word - There are many types of creativity. Every type has different scopes where their "creativity" is directed. So I wouldn't say there is one most "creative" type. It depends on which type of creativity you take into consideration.
Related to archetypes-
Ne is linked to cultural archetypes or memes that come out of the collective conscious, while Ni is linked to primordial/basic archetypes coming out of the collective unconscious.
Knowing about primordial archetypes is different from being attuned to them. Same as with an Ni dominant type being able to know things about the conscious manifestations of humanity, or be invested in subcultures. But being informed on something isn't the same as being attuned.
I have no interest in denying you your INTP typing. The only reason I put out the possibility of you being mistyped is your insistence over the general understanding and scope of the functions mentioned.
i want to pull everything down to a dot
INFJs do not devalue Se , its in their valued stack its their suggestive teacher function , It just becomes draining over time , but SE is on the axis of Ni
harmony is more si/fe
Crazy how the personality are now part of Korean society. That’s one of the first thing they ask you. I learned not to say I’m an entp they call it the devils personality type tf😩. That said your content would Kill with Korean viewers
How about Korean view INTP, INFJ and ISTJ?
People need to get to the real understanding of type rather than label others with superficial stereotypes. This literally happens everywhere but I know that MBTI is super popular in Korea, not in every country unfortunately. But in Korea I could at least hold a conversation about it, be it a stupid or a wise one.
Imbts when drunk, please! 😵
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