There’s nothing wrong with questioning God, that happens in the Bible. It’s trying to understand something on Gods level from your own perspective. If you understood, then there would be no need to question
@marktravis5162 That whole verse absolutely says who are we to question God. They don't want you questioning God because it leads to more questions that they can not answer. God gets made when we don't understand, but he makes understanding impossible.
My problem with the potter and the clay is the false equivalence. We’re not an unfeeling, non sentient, inanimate object. It’s psychotic to create a sentient being and do what you want with them because you created them and have the power to. If I created a creature capable of feeling, that wouldn’t give me the right to torture it.
Nailed it, you said what I have always said when this story was brought up by someone, how can we as humans be treated like a damn inanimate object that has no heart or feelings ? If god really views us like that, then what the hell is the point of it all ? Makes no sense. If god is really like that, then it's yet another example of how god is a sadist.
I mean you could also argue that it's an equivalence in the opposite direction: If the potter intentionally makes some vessels badly, he could be said to be abusing the clay that he misuses. A poor potter trying his best who makes bad vessels is one thing, but a master potter making bad product deliberately strikes me as somehow unethical. Seems like if God is the potter, he has some kind of obligation to produce his best work and not create crap on purpose.
@Uryvichk But the people who are effectively being punished aren't all crap in the first place. A god who would treat people like clay or like crap, or even like computers that just mechanically mimic sentience with a deceptively fast calculated shuffling of ones and zeros, would be a psychopathic narcissistic god and not worthy of worship.
@@Uryvichk "he has some kind of obligation to produce his best work and not create crap on purpose." How would he be able to hold his creation in contempt otherwise?
The fact that god would hold people, his "children", in contempt for doing exactly what he knew they would begs the question: should child protection services get involved?
Kristi, keep going and never stop! “All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher.” ― Titus Lucretius Carus
That can all be true, while at the same time Christianity be the only belief system that can stand up to such criticism and be the most reasonable explanation for why we are here and why society is in its current state.
I stumbled across a woman in a fb group yesterday. She is living a life of debilitating fear due to her Christian fundamentalist beliefs. She was asking for help/advice. I told her about this channel. I hope she saw my post. It was a group I had never seen or posted in before. It was some sort of doomsday debunking group. I hope the admins cleared my post in the thread. There are so many people out there who need to hear a rational voice like Kristi's. Christian fundamentalism is doing very real psychological damage to many good people. Thank you Kristi. Your work is amazing.
How logical is it to speak as if you have authority on a subject, yet, your personal interpretations are in conflict to orthodoxy of that subject. That’s not logic it’s heresy.
I believe it was Gautama the 5th that once said; “I prefer to fill my cup directly from the fountain of knowledge, for that is the only source uncontaminated by the imagination of man.” (Or something like that) It is difficult to argue with that wisdom. Of course there are varying degrees of that but for our correspondence, I would answer the doctrine and theology of apostolic Christianity. For me personally it would primarily include Eastern Orthodoxy, and Wesleyan Theology. Methods of interpretation would include the Anglican Triad and Wesley Quadrilateral. All is based on what has always been taught. If it hasn’t been taught from the beginning I would not accept it as ‘truth’. Let us remember Christianity did not come from the Bible. The Bible evolved from the religion of Jesus Christ. If an interpretation conflicts with those who gave us the Bible to begin with then we are merely creating our own depiction. Creating our own religion even that we claim is Christianity. I don’t believe in ‘god’ I hear Kristi debunking either. What she claims is not apostolic Christianity. It’s a very warped depiction at best. Peace to all!
I am stunned that you are able to create all of these beautiful, deeply insightful, but simple common sense videos. Never seen anything like it. You are a treasure.
I think I am one of the few who were lucky. My parents where not very religious but lived in a Catholic area of the Netherlands, we slept in on Sundays, did not go to church as we were supposed to do. When at the Catholic school we were prepared for first communion we did so and listened to the pastor explaining how wonderful the creation story was etc. None of those stories resonated with me. I am now some fifty years an atheist (anti theist the last few years since the internet showed me how venomous the US fundamentalists are) and I never missed anything or had any problems with leaving it behind me. Religions poisons everything.
I find the potter and clay argument a bit contradictory to the idea that God is like a Father to us. Is a he a loving Father who has responsibility towards his children, or is a creator to be feared and allowed to do whatever he wants to his creation without question? You definitely don’t treat a baby the same way you treat inanimate possessions, and any father who would do the things God has to his children would certainly be condemned.
Sounds like someone needs to go stand in front of the abortion clinics 😂 Isaiah 44:24 (KJV) Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
That quotation is just an assertion. It doesn't make it true. I can assert 'I am ten miles tall and all powerful'. Is that true? Why not? Because it is just an assertion with no evidence of its truth. @@noneofyourbusiness9635
Could you PLEASE do a teaching on the hypocrisy of prayer!! My favorite short video you did is when you wrote how God ignores poverty, etc but helps find your car keys and win football games!! I've showed that to all of my christian friends and they couldn't say anything!! 🤣🤣 Thanks for all your enlightening messages and don't stop!! 🥰👍
Err God doesn't help your football team win in the sense you imagine, he might help you find something you need. And when you say poverty, do you mean people in the world in general?
@realitywave God will help you find salvation and the truth through Jesus Christ the Son. There's enough food to feed the world, enough money to go around, enough resources to raise everyone out of poverty that God has provided. There are those in the world want to keep others down because they are afraid of losing their power and control. They give themselves over to spiritual wickedness and into the arms of Satan. God wants you to cast all your problems and cares onto Him. Try being brutally honest with Him in prayer and then listen...
@@fender97 That's funny. All those years as a Christian and the literally hundreds of times I prayed for god to help ease my doubts and strengthen my faith....and here I am now an agnostic/atheist.
If humans don’t have the authority to question God, because we’re unimportant creations, why is our sin so important it needs to be punished(let alone eternally punished)? Not to mention that someone doesn’t need authority to question someone. In fact, it’s people with authority who need to be questioned by others. That’s like arguing that you need to have a lot of money and connections in order to investigate corruption.
It’s kind of weird to me that God doesn’t want us to question him, but God wants us to be able to have free will and willingly choose if we want to follow God… How am I supposed to do that if I’m not questioning God and thinking?
If God is an authority figure, he has duties to his subjects. Any authority which claims all rights and privileges against those it rules over, yet affords them absolutely no rights, is unjustifiable tyranny. Would anyone willingly consent to obey a government that says "You have absolutely no right to live, and if the ruler says you should be killed for the good of his government, you have no right to complain about it and in fact should tell us how good and smart we are for killing you"? Of course not. If God wants the right to judge people, he owes them certain things. And one of the foremost duties a sovereign tends to owe is a duty of protection, to keep those under the sovereign's jurisdiction from avoidable harm, including from the sovereign himself. Needless to say, God's not looking too hot on that front. If God doesn't want any connection with his creation whatsoever, if he wants to be absolutely independent of it and owe it nothing whatsoever, then he has no right to say how he wants it to be run or to judge those in his creation for what they do. If there's no relationship, there are no obligations; if there are obligations, they go both ways. God, in creating, owes his creation something, and if he didn't want that obligation all he had to do was not create.
This passage has bothered me since I was a young person Even then, I knew it was wrong. I went in and out of Christianity all of my life, and I was miserable most of the time. At 70 years old, I have finally realized that what I tried so hard to believe just isn't true. I'm not brave enough to come out to my Christian friends because when I tried to tell my cousin, she just shut me out. Right now, I consider myself as an agnostic because I just don't know if there is a God somewhere. I don't believe that the God I tried so hard to believe in is real. I may be wrong, but this is where I'm at right now. I love your videos, Kristie. Keep them coming!
Excellent points Kristi! One thing I hear a lot is "Someday you will stand before God and he will ask you about your sins.What are you going to tell him?" I will tell him this; " nothing I have done even comes close the the amount of destruction, murder and torment you have inflicted upon this earth. Be gone demon, you have no power over me!"
Excellent point, he can honestly fuxk off with his questioning about anything. I won't even speak to that monster (if it exists) that doesn't appreciate human life.
"One thing I hear a lot is "Someday you will stand before God and he will ask you about your sins.What are you going to tell him?"" I would say "If you don't know, then youre not god.".
Kristi, I haven't seen any video of yours that I haven't liked-this one is no exception. I like the way you put things simply and frankly, but yet,thoughtfully.I agree with everything you said in this video.I sometimes have a hard time expressing what I'm thinking, but you have confirmed those thoughts and conclusions many times.Keep up the work you are doing, Kristie.I'm looking forward to your next video.Peace.
Yet another video where you say out loud just what I've been thinking for years. Seriously, it's so refreshing and kind of a relief to hear that I'm NOT the only person who feels this way about these versus and "doctrines". I have been labelled by church people as someone with a bad attitude, or a trouble maker because I ask questions or say the "doctrine" doesn't make sense. I grew up Catholic, then took a side road into Pentacostalism, I can tell you that I've had enough of all of it. Done. Thanks for your videos, very encouraging.
I'm also Catholic and was forced to go to church when a kid. I've seen through this claptrap over time and agree that we should be able to say this out loud.
@@nicholastrudeau7581Have you ever seen this imaginary alien? What's his height, weight etc. What else does he eat? Babble tells us dude loves BBQ, both animal and human flesh.
BTW @jezebelvibes, I love your new look/presentation/lighting/background. Your casual, laid back recording style has always fit the style of your content, but this does give a more polished look, too.
It’s absolutely astounding. In ANY other context, the manufacturer would be rightfully blamed for a faulty product. Someone builds a faulty home, the builder would be blamed. Someone builds a faulty car; the automaker would be blamed. Yet, knowing these examples and countless others, the Christian will still cling to this notion that their “creator” is completely blameless, even when he SAYS that he’s the potter, and we are the clay and the scripture says that we can’t resist his will or who can resist his will? It must be nice to reside in the magical world of “Ignoring What Your Bible actually says.”
Great content as always, Kristi. Also, we love our new “bigotry isn’t cute” t-shirts. Our younger daughter is Aro-Ace and always appreciates people supporting the LGBTQIA+ community.
I’m with you, Kristi! Reading the Bible made me leave Christianity in the first place. Not only that, the thoughts of Hell, demons putting ideas in my head, fearing for my friends b/c they don’t believe in Jesus, and worrying that I’m good enough to go to Heaven really REALLY affected my anxiety. I’m better off without Christianity in my life, and I don’t care if anyone thinks otherwise!
No, your lack of understanding of the bible is what caused you to leave Christianity, but while you may have left Christianity you were never a true born again Christian because if you were then the Holy Spirit would've helped you to understand the bible from God's perspective of things instead of your own and you would know things beyond all doubt due to the Holy Spirit confirming them. All ex-Christians prove by claiming to be ex-Christians is that they were never true born again Christians in the first place.
@@williambunter3311you can never win anyone over with love, all you can do is threaten somebody who leaves the fold. I don’t think what you said was out of love and compassion at all. What you just insinuated proves at its core that Christianity is all about fear, control and putting you in place. You just proved kristi right in this video. It’s despicable.
I really enjoy listening to you Kristy, because your contents are genuinely deep and thought provoking… I am struggling with my faith in God these days and I agree with you on so many levels when it comes to the biblical God and Jesus… Thanks a million for sharing your thoughtful analysis with us… You are very brave and I like that about you!
I have CPTSD as well as ADHD. CPTSD is from childhood trauma. Much of that trauma was from the influence of religion on my parents, grandparents, other authority figures such as teachers & myself. Authoritarianism instead of empathy ruled our lives and excused the physical, mental and emotional abuse they perpetrated on me. I am just now deconstructing my whole life, as this has almost destroyed me over & over. Thank you for being a part of my healing process.
I wasnt expecting to cry but this video really hits home. Thats how you feel with christianity, well god created the universe and im just unfortunate to be apart lf the world he created so im at his liberty. I never thought i would need further validation that im a human being and i dont deserve evil shite happening to me just bc i didnt turn out his perfect way. Thank you so much Kristi.
Nothing has changed, just the same... Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and all believers of the lies and Unbiblical teachings of the anti-Christs about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are still Satan the Devil's liars, cruel, and merciless slaves on earth who are offended, angered, and just can't accept the TRUTH that all persons on earth who honor Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will definitely be favored, honored, and rewarded by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, grief, sickness, and death Nothing has changed, just the same.... all Atheists, Agnostics, Evolutionists, and fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian Religions in the world who are claiming that the Bible is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales are still offended, angered, and just can't accept that all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive worshippers of the Creator who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's disciples and followers, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the Creator's own right time, all of them will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist forever on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, deceivers, slanderers, traitors, and murderers and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the "Kingdom of God".
Found this extremely helpful! I too found this scripture comforting for a time then upsetting and disturbing as I realised that I was not turning out to be a conforming Christian I was meant to be. Thank you, this will help many!
My mother was a charter member of "The First Self-Righteous Church of the Holier Than Thou." I grew up "knowing for a fact" that my name was NOT written in the Book of Life, and I was therefore destined to eternity in hell. I reached the conclusion very early on that, if God really did love me and knew that I was destined for hell, that it would have been much kinder to have just never made me. Searching the scriptures for a loophole to my fate eventually led me to see too many contradictions with both itself and available evidence. My deconversion was complete with the realization that the entire premise of Christianity was inherently flawed. Since leaving Christianity, my mental health is much better, I no longer hate being alive, and my soul knows peace and love.
I'm sorry that you were subjected to such horrible emotional abuse. Just know that God is real, and loves you very much, and what you experienced is not what Christianity is meant to be.
Science is the analysis/ study of Gods creation. Why haven’t scientists explained to us how the earth was created and who created it? How humans were created ?
Kristi, your content has helped me so much. This video brings up a lot of my issues with my indoctrination from my female parent. After I left her home I ended up in a couple of abusive relationships and female parent yelled at me saying that she raised me better than that. But in reality, she raised me to believe I was just a lump of clay and that God was in control. 🤷🏻♀️ These teachings cause damage on so many levels and I hope the madness ends!
The chr st an creator created humanity to love with his entire being. He wanted to be so close that he designed our minds to be a vessel for his whole life to live through. That's our true self. He gave his only begotten son to redeem us. He will be infinitely hurt by losing each person.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr The chr st an Bible particularly describes how threatening doesn't change people. In the new covenant, Got offers his love, mercy and his spirit to perfectly teach us individually IF we perfectly trust to be taught. We don't have to earn love. He loved us enough that even while we were still sinners he gave his only begotten son to save us. People are judged based on what they understand and the degree to which they understand.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Justice MUST happen sooner or later. It is being withheld temporarily to give each person time to decide to fully give up bad choices and fully pursue good choices. Got made us with infinite value so our choices are also infinitely valuable and their consequences are infinite too.
The most amazing thing about this channel is the sheer volume of comments the videos generate. It's something like one comment for every ten views which is an astounding level of engagement for a channel this size. You must be doing something right! Congrats on your success Kristi and long may it continue.
Hi Kristi, I have been seeing other's content claiming to "debunk" you or to disagree with you but when you listen to them and read the comments, it's obvious that you have a lot of supporters. I love your work and so glad to see that so many others do too. We've got your back, girl!! Keep doing what you're doing!!!❤❤❤
I would love to see your reaction to Dear God by Dax. Really makes you think with the questions he asks God. Have a good one ❤❤❤ Also, thank you for these videos they keep me thinking as well.
Same. I'm not religious and never went to church but my daughter converted to Islam from Christianity and I see that religions only purpose is to oppress women. It's all a lie. It's all a grift 💰
“…to make out of the same clay, one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?” Wait, what’s that stuff about free will? If a “vessel” is MADE for dishonorable use, they are doomed from the start, right? Oh I’m sure there’s some nonsense to explain the contradiction, like always.
It's the only logical conclusion we could come to with this verse, that free will just doesn't exist within the biblical God's system. And it's amazing how many mental gymnastics Christians perform to deny this.
@@smidlee7747 That only makes sense if everyone on the tracks starts out at the same station. But the “potter” makes one vessel for honorable use and one for dishonorable use. Someone is on a track that’s heading straight off a cliff. That’s not free will, no matter how you want to twist the definition.
@@smidlee7747 God allows man to chose the path the path? So now you are choosing to ignore the parts of the Bible that don’t fit your narrative. Where’s the potter who is choosing who gets to be honorable or dishonorable? You can’t have it both ways.
I've listened to many of your videos, you do an excellent job of analyzing the scriptures and interpreting them without a filter. Thank you for doing these.
I learned from a reformed theological seminary outside of Philadelphia all I needed to know about double predestination. We are god's puppets and he moulds our eternal destiny like lifeless clay. What kind of being would create people to suffer. I'm so happy that I escaped that narcissistic relationship.
But have you really escaped? God being good or evil doesn’t negate or disprove his existence. It just probably means He’s a ‘evil’ Deity. If that is so, then you thinking you’ve escaped just further drives home the point that some are saved and others aren’t.
@@henrymartins4549 I don't see enough evidence that god exists. After I left Christianity, I realized that the god depicted in the bible is evil. I saw more clearly and objectively when I left.
I'm a Catholic Atheist so how does that work? I'm looking forward to the next god botherers to knock on the door, I'll play Black Sabbath in the background, Go Ozzy!!!!!
@@Andy-wx4wx haha 😂 I met Izzy at a book signing one time.. told him I named my cat after him. He told me, “masjid he jsjxvebzh!!” 😳 I had no idea how to respond, and it made it so awkward. I’m also catholic but I challenge my church to answer my questions, a lot of times they can’t, or respond with garbage. But RUclips has helped me find good answers.
velkyn1 - Does it bring some sort of satisfaction or sudo intellectual superiority to ‘tear someone apart’? P.S. - You have never disproven free will, not have you ever disproven the existence of God. It’s not possible. Best you can do is fall back on a ‘burden of proof’ clause as if that is somehow a validation to your point. I respect those who don’t believe. Those who want to ‘tear people apart’ are just attempting to fill a lingering hole inside themselves.
@@ianalan4367 It brings me satistfaction to stand up against liars who cause real harm. And funny how you still can't show your god exists nor that the bible supports free will. I have quite a bit of evidence your imaginary friend doesn't exist. No one noticed any of the supposed events it caused in the bibile. There is no archaeological evidence for these events, and we have people going about their normal lives, no magic, at any time claimed for these events to have happened. So, yep, it is quite possible to show your god doesn'tn exist. The only way you can get out of this is to make your god some vague bit of nonsense like a "ground of being" and try to claim that it isn't important that the events in the bible happened. Alas, no "lingering hole", just the lies of a christian trying to gaslight atheits into not standing against your harmful nonsense.
That god set some people aside for damnation, before their birth, regardless of how they lived, because of how HE made them, is very cruel. So many people don’t realize that they have rights as human beings, and this is so sad.
My sister who is a big “God squader,” wanted to engage me in a “let me explain why God is real”conversation. I humored her for a while then just asked her “how do you know this is true and real? I want empirical evidence.” She said well the Bible says it and I believe it. I responded, “that right there is the problem, the Bible is not proof and you don’t know, you just want to believe.” She kinda gave up after that. 😁
Your sister and my sister believe, because they want to believe and/or need to believe. Faith and willful ignorance is all you need to keep you on track to believe nonsense.
Thank you so much for these videos. Your clear and cogent arguments make me feel like I’m on the right track, even when sometimes I also feel like I’m swimming upstream, as far as the world around me. I appreciate your thoughts and words
the fear factor that has touched every aspect of our lives . once we overcome the fear and are brave enough to question why we believe what we do and accept the reality of it, then we can truly be free and understand why others want to rule over us . we should want to know ourselves , why we think the way we do and behave the way we do. i wanted to know why do i fear death and other things that basically revolve around biblical principles, so i learned hebrew and some of the koine greek , i thought that would give me the true understanding of the bible that i needed. i thought there were mystical , magical hidden meanings, only to find out that there is not. it wasnt disappointing, i learned a lot more about human nature and why we are basically programmed from birth to the grave . why, how , when ,where and what, may lead you to WHO benifits from controlling you , dont be afraid. someone said something like this, know thy self. thank you Krisi for being a catalyst for those who are sincerely struggling to be set free.
Nothing has changed, just the same... all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all kinds Religions in the world who are mocking and degrading the Creator as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God are still offended, angered, and can't accept the TRUTH that the Creator is not worthless and useless but a loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father who will definitely honor and reward all loving, kind, and respectful persons who submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, traitors, and murderers. Nothing has changed, just the same... all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world who are mocking and degrading the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless, useless, and without any value at all are still offended, angered, and can't accept the TRUTH that Jesus Christ is not worthless and useless but a loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King who in the Creator's right and proper time, will RESURRECT back to life all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his early disciples, and many others so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
Thank you very much for making these videos to help us to get unchained from evil religion barriers. I was a Christian and a schizophrenic who often got threatened by god and others in my world(delusions, hallucinations) for the uncontrollable intrusive thoughts that I got because of OCD and also thinking that this spirit would be Satan's also arouse more threats due its form of blasphemy. My father is a Buddhist who I was said that he would face consequences because of his religion by god and god said that he is not convincing my father to be a Christian for me and I should suffer in order to succeed and I never verbally said anything to my father to whom I now report about the one who threatened me, as a disbeliever of god but today I'm happy to feel that I'm not in a religiously deluded family so that I could get many explanations by my father which helped me to walk away from this evil god and voices that I hear are from the entities that I created in my head including god. The more I believe in these mythical beings, the more powerful they're. Of course, at the beginning it was really hard but later on, with these videos I started feeling lesser resistance in walking away. So, thank you again! I expect that the zones controlled under Muslim laws would soon become more controlled under moral laws than this evil god's laws, protecting the rights of many people including LGBT committee(Of whom I have empathy for what god hasn't.)
That's the only thing God was right about was the gays. It's about time the atheist community said "enough is enough" & fight back against them. They are literally going after our children.
The band Larkin Poe has a song called "Blunt" with a great line: "If you knew your chisel was blunt, why did you make so many of us?" Very good question...
Wow. Kristi. You exude pure Divinely inspired wisdom, if EVER there was such. This is beautifully done, beautifully expressed, beautifully shared, so deep, so profound, so simple, so wise. You are truly an amazing gem. I'm stunned. Thank you! I will DEFINITELY be sharing this video! ❤
A few months ago I showed my mom one of your videos. She since then has started deconstructing Christianity, left her crappy church and she's now focusing on herself and what she wants. Thanks Kristi
When my kid was a toddler, his modeling clay picked up a bunch of animal hair and random dirt. Do with that what you will when it comes to this passage in the Bible.
We all should question everything. Follow the evidence, use logic and see where it leads. Then draw our own conclusions. I was kicked out of Sunday School with this attitude. I'm 58 year sold now and still don't know wtf? LoL Love your work on RUclips.
I came across a passage that gave me such vivid and painful memories, and I have to take a break from deconstructing as I have been closely reading without humanistic philosophies, just me. My parents were mentally and physically abusive. I'm 50, army vet and truck driver still suffering from everything is my fault and I need punishment: constant fear and anxiety. Several examples make me cringe at what I thought was a loving God. But David in one account is tempted by Satan to take a census. But in another account it's God. Either way God becomes so mad and tells David that he must choose between 3 punishments for the Israelites--sort of a pattern that others not David is punished. This is exactly what my parents did to me and my sister. Just the most simple mundane thing, and one thing they did was make us choose between 3 punishments and both have to be punished regardless if the other had nothing to do with it. It's just so maddening. Nope. I'm done, I'm done, I'm so done with this false idea of the God of love. I wouldn't do this stuff to my dog. Why? Because I love him with all my heart.
I love how you break these ideas down so simply. I really had to pause and let the inanimate object part sit for a while because it was so spot on and such a good way to explain the free will fallacy as well
I agree that all humans are worthy of having the best life possible. We are not, like the Bible says, just a lump of clay or any other inanimate object. Everyone has worth regardless of what they look like or believe. Thanks for your thoughts about those verses.
That passage in Roman's made me think more on the lines of god intentionally makes some people wrong, makes their life full of misery so those he chooses to make well can see how benevolent and good he can be. It's all post hock rationalization for why there is suffering under gods rule.
Nothing has changed through the years, just the same... all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world who trick and deceive others to join them in mocking and degrading the Creator as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God are still offended, angered, and can't accept the TRUTH that the Creator is not worthless and useless but a loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father who will definitely honor and reward all loving, kind, and respectful persons who submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, traitors, and murderers. Nothing has changed through the years, just the same... all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world who are mocking and degrading the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless, useless, and without any value at all are still offended, angered, and can't accept the TRUTH that Jesus Christ is not worthless and useless but a loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King who in the Creator's right and proper time, will RESURRECT back to life all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his early disciples, and many others so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
I like your videos. You are calm and don't get angry, and you say the things I've felt but not been able to put into words. You're a more better word person than me.
Your point was brilliant!! I’d say it could be better written like we are a clay on his hand meaning, he made us very unique and paid close attention to our details… as we are a piece of art BUT unfortunately the writers decided to give it a different direction of their phrasing. No surprise. 😅
This was actually a big thing for me as a Christian... I used to be an awful person. Like, to the point of ruining lives and nearly taking one. And I had thought, I pray and pray for forgiveness, that God shape me into something he might love and find acceptable... And paired with Paul's thorn. The one he prayed for and was unable to shake off. I thought, surely I'm this way because God wants me to be. I don't know why my role would be to hurt people, but I must. It felt so natural even, and by that I mean, an intuition. I'd see someone who didn't stand out in particular but I felt drawn to them, felt like they were next, and I had convinced myself that God had desired it. For otherwise, he would have changed me already. You can really only change yourself. Gotta work on the why and realize that you're not some cursed abomination, a wretched lump far asunder, destined to never see heaven's light. That light can be within you - you don't have to be awful. And yes. Being taught that that was my natural state, that all men are born with such desires, all that did not help at all...
This analogy is the same thing as the Bible writers saying, “We only want sheep who will mindlessly follow what we say - no goats who think for themselves allowed.” I am a goat.
I think it's great that you think for yourself. If our religion can't hold up to your scrutiny, then why should you follow it? Jesus gave the Twelve Apostles about three years to hang out with him and make their own decisions about who he was. Jesus told his followers to count the cost of following him, he didn't want a bunch of people who hadn't thought through would following him would mean.
@@christophergibson7155 no ,, they mindlessly follow their flock to the slaughter ...your inability to process common sense is really mind blowing and sad,Someone must have really abused you as a child ,, I understand why you need a cult to feel safe in...
Kristi, it gets worse…. If I’m interpreting ROMANS 9 correctly , and I hope I’m not, That “lump of clay” was actually formed to be hostile to G-D in the first place-- that is you are made to be G-D’s enemy….. so you are eternally punished for only behaving as you were created for.
The biggest thing that pointed me in another direction, was watching near death experiences, plus having and experience myself. A few hours of listening to those NDEs and wow your whole perception of life changes forever ! Keep up the great work !
Maybe God is a sadist who enjoys watching his creations suffer. That would explain a lot. It’s a mistake to assume that God all-loving. The evidence doesn’t support that.
In Eastern Orthodox Christianity we (they) read a lot of prewritten prayers and so many have lines such as “but I, a lowly worm, the worst of sinners”. Many prayers are taken directly from scripture. A few years ago, about halfway into my deconversion, I stopped saying those. I already struggled with low self worth and here I was, repeating, daily, how bad I was. Here we are created in the image of god but worth nothing. Hmmm
How are you going to navigate life believing you are broken? They NEED to convince you you're broken so they can sell you the cure. It's all a lie and a grift 💰 How are you to love others as yourself if you believe you yourself are a dirty, worthless sinner? 😢
Interesting. I had a similar experience at my old High Anglican church. Repeating week after week the lines about being unworthy and the lowliest of low sinners does not seem good for your mental wellbeing. Also, the weekly confession is bad for you. Usually I had not done enough bad to fill the time of confession, and any sins I committed I already had repented of and felt guilty over anyway. What would happen, then, is I would repent of the same sins, ones from years ago, over and over again, week after week. They tell you that there is freedom in Jesus Christ from your past, but they keep you in a guilty rut over your past. Realizing I had done enough penance, I stopped attending and felt better.
@@undrwatropium3724 that's how a liturgy works. Also I think your comment about people believing they are broken is spot on. Altogether Christianity instills a defeated and deprecating mindset . My mother would often use that line about brokenness to describe herself and it was upsetting. I did not like how it made her see herself
Wow, you make a lot of sense. I have long sat on the fence concerning the nature of God. Really I've had so much trouble trying to see him as a loving God. I've feared even saying these thoughts out loud for the fear of Hells Fire. I am slowly deconstructing my beliefs concerning Christianity. Your logiical thoughts on this subject has given me calm. Thank you
@@christophergibson7155 as the great Sasquatch said, Quatch 14:5 “He who quoteth from any other book than the book of the Quatch, shall be rent asunder.”
You hit the nail on the head. God cannot blame human beings for their choices, if "He" created everything (everyone) to be the way it is. This is determinism and predestination. If God controls everything, them there is no "free will," we are all robots, and eternal punishment for Adam's sin or one's own sin is entirely "His" fault. This constitutes total immorality and absolute evil on God's part. 😇
The CREATOR is not a fictional character in the Bible but the True and Sovereign God as written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 JESUS CHRIST is not a fictional character in the Bible but the One given by the Creator all authority and sent from heaven to earth to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 SATAN the DEVIL is not a fictional character in the Bible but a Liar, Father of Lies, and Murderer of human beings as written in John 8: 44 WHO CAUSE the SUFFERINGS, GRIEFS, and DEATHS of MANKIND? ANSWER - The Bible exposes that all Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world who trick and deceive others to join them in mocking, opposing, and degrading - 1. the Creator as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God in opposition and defiance of what were written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 and 2. Jesus Christ as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth and his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead", worthless and useless too, in opposition and defiance of what were written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 are obviously Satan the Devil's liars, cruel, merciless, fierce, and deceitful servants and slaves on earth who don't respect and value the lives, dignities, and existence of their co-human beings.... not bothered at all and just don't care even if their lies, deceptions, falsehoods and Unbiblical teachings and doctrines about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation" hurt, offend, insult, humiliate, and degrade the lives and dignities of their co-human beings including that of their own families, friends, and neighbors and cause their sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths. WHAT is the WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of the AUTHORITY and TEACHINGS of JESUS CHRIST to HUMAN BEINGS? ANSWER - The Bible reveals that all imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who freely and willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" in obedience to what were written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 are clearly the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive worshippers of the Creator and followers of Jesus Christ on earth who will definitely be favored, honored, and rewarded by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, without liars, slanderers, hypocrites, deceivers, traitors, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, and 8. The Bible reveals that all human beings have no immortal souls and will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 and 9: 5, 6 but all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive worshippers of the Creator and followers of Jesus Christ who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the Creator's own right time and as written in John 11: 25, 26, Jesus Christ will RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
I think you've hit the proverbial nail on the head... This sort of thing WOULD appeal to people who DON'T want autonomy... It's the "happy life of the slave"... If God makes all the decisions for them then they don't have to... And, apparently, some people find this "comforting"... (I could be snarky and suggest that maybe some of us are rather more sentient than others :) )
The section around the 9-minute mark kinda reminded me of Marcus Aurelius. "Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
@@mikeymik2 I too found some similarities with that concept, to the point where I've actually referred to the quote as the Aurelian Wager. It would seem to me that someone who accepts Pascal's wager would find whether the god or gods are just or not irrelevant, where Aurelius seems to think that worship and the question on the existence of god(s) are what is irrelevant.
For people like yourself, Kristi, who have had the courage and intelligence to question religion and to step away from it despite rejection and criticism, you are now the potter shaping your own life and beliefs. I think you're still in the process, It takes time.
Basically, "don't question God. You have no right to question God. Just be obedient." Yeah, that doesn't work for me
There’s nothing wrong with questioning God, that happens in the Bible. It’s trying to understand something on Gods level from your own perspective. If you understood, then there would be no need to question
@@marktravis5162Why would an all-powerful God require questioning as an existential necessity?
@marktravis5162 That whole verse absolutely says who are we to question God. They don't want you questioning God because it leads to more questions that they can not answer. God gets made when we don't understand, but he makes understanding impossible.
@@marktravis5162I understand that's why I'm an Atheist. 😂😂😂
Yes, that sounds like a slavery owner. 'Don't question me slave, be quiet and get back to work.' Why do religious people continue to follow this rule?
My problem with the potter and the clay is the false equivalence. We’re not an unfeeling, non sentient, inanimate object. It’s psychotic to create a sentient being and do what you want with them because you created them and have the power to. If I created a creature capable of feeling, that wouldn’t give me the right to torture it.
Nailed it, you said what I have always said when this story was brought up by someone, how can we as humans be treated like a damn inanimate object that has no heart or feelings ? If god really views us like that, then what the hell is the point of it all ? Makes no sense. If god is really like that, then it's yet another example of how god is a sadist.
Excellent opinion.
I mean you could also argue that it's an equivalence in the opposite direction: If the potter intentionally makes some vessels badly, he could be said to be abusing the clay that he misuses. A poor potter trying his best who makes bad vessels is one thing, but a master potter making bad product deliberately strikes me as somehow unethical. Seems like if God is the potter, he has some kind of obligation to produce his best work and not create crap on purpose.
@Uryvichk But the people who are effectively being punished aren't all crap in the first place. A god who would treat people like clay or like crap, or even like computers that just mechanically mimic sentience with a deceptively fast calculated shuffling of ones and zeros, would be a psychopathic narcissistic god and not worthy of worship.
@@Uryvichk "he has some kind of obligation to produce his best work and not create crap on purpose."
How would he be able to hold his creation in contempt otherwise?
The fact that god would hold people, his "children", in contempt for doing exactly what he knew they would begs the question: should child protection services get involved?
😂😂😂😂 i have never thought it like that
Satan your Father fed you well to be in hell.
Kristi, keep going and never stop!
“All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher.” ― Titus Lucretius Carus
Love that quote
@@aubreyleonae4108 It's a great one!
Cicero thought it unaccountable "how one priest can refrain from laughter when he meets another" (Nature of the Gods, p. 25).
That can all be true, while at the same time Christianity be the only belief system that can stand up to such criticism and be the most reasonable explanation for why we are here and why society is in its current state.
"Men will stop committing atrocities when men stop believing absurdities."-- Ayn Rand.
Imagine if your parents were like, we made you for destruction so that your brother can shine more brightly and bring us glory 😮
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that nails it on the head.
Esau for Jacob. This must not continue.
@@anuruksuriyaarachchi3988oh yes, this twin story hit me too😅, their mother actually allowed tricking to be done for Jacob’s good😅
Sounds like my parents. Not like anything worthy of worship, if worship is a reasonable thing at all.
I stumbled across a woman in a fb group yesterday. She is living a life of debilitating fear due to her Christian fundamentalist beliefs. She was asking for help/advice. I told her about this channel. I hope she saw my post. It was a group I had never seen or posted in before. It was some sort of doomsday debunking group. I hope the admins cleared my post in the thread. There are so many people out there who need to hear a rational voice like Kristi's. Christian fundamentalism is doing very real psychological damage to many good people. Thank you Kristi. Your work is amazing.
You’re one the most logical rational persons I’ve heard! Thank you for your videos!
eliozabethduran: So she is 'one of the most logical, rational persons you've heard', is she? Poor, dear little Elizabeth, you need to get out more.
That's right! And logic is from the devil so watch out! 🤭
How logical is it to speak as if you have authority on a subject, yet, your personal interpretations are in conflict to orthodoxy of that subject. That’s not logic it’s heresy.
@@ianalan4367 So which are the correct interpretations of the subject?
I believe it was Gautama the 5th that once said; “I prefer to fill my cup directly from the fountain of knowledge, for that is the only source uncontaminated by the imagination of man.” (Or something like that)
It is difficult to argue with that wisdom. Of course there are varying degrees of that but for our correspondence, I would answer the doctrine and theology of apostolic Christianity. For me personally it would primarily include Eastern Orthodoxy, and Wesleyan Theology. Methods of interpretation would include the Anglican Triad and Wesley Quadrilateral.
All is based on what has always been taught. If it hasn’t been taught from the beginning I would not accept it as ‘truth’.
Let us remember Christianity did not come from the Bible. The Bible evolved from the religion of Jesus Christ. If an interpretation conflicts with those who gave us the Bible to begin with then we are merely creating our own depiction. Creating our own religion even that we claim is Christianity. I don’t believe in ‘god’ I hear Kristi debunking either. What she claims is not apostolic Christianity. It’s a very warped depiction at best.
Peace to all!
Thank you for your kindness and encouragement. Big hugs!!!
Not good to hug Satan followers.
I am stunned that you are able to create all of these beautiful, deeply insightful, but simple common sense videos. Never seen anything like it. You are a treasure.
Satan your Father agrees also.
Yes!!!! Totally agree
Thank you. This video brings me peace.
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So well said.
There seems a way right upto man but at the end is death. Choose life from God is far better than death from any preacher for Satan.
I think I am one of the few who were lucky. My parents where not very religious but lived in a Catholic area of the Netherlands, we slept in on Sundays, did not go to church as we were supposed to do. When at the Catholic school we were prepared for first communion we did so and listened to the pastor explaining how wonderful the creation story was etc. None of those stories resonated with me.
I am now some fifty years an atheist (anti theist the last few years since the internet showed me how venomous the US fundamentalists are) and I never missed anything or had any problems with leaving it behind me.
Religions poisons everything.
So true and well done you. The USA is surely heading to a very dark place because of the fundamentalists.
Catholic is a decoy from Satan to lead you away from the true Church. Now your out giving honor to Satan as the Catholic has trained you well.
I find the potter and clay argument a bit contradictory to the idea that God is like a Father to us.
Is a he a loving Father who has responsibility towards his children, or is a creator to be feared and allowed to do whatever he wants to his creation without question?
You definitely don’t treat a baby the same way you treat inanimate possessions, and any father who would do the things God has to his children would certainly be condemned.
Like Barbie/Ken dolls.. the child can rip their heads off cause they want to..
@@jaycahuenga6416no. More like a maker.
Sounds like someone needs to go stand in front of the abortion clinics 😂
Isaiah 44:24 (KJV)
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
That quotation is just an assertion. It doesn't make it true. I can assert 'I am ten miles tall and all powerful'. Is that true? Why not? Because it is just an assertion with no evidence of its truth. @@noneofyourbusiness9635
@@noneofyourbusiness9635 Ever check out the facts on spontaneous abortion? God is the biggest aborter around. Does that make him sinful?
Could you PLEASE do a teaching on the hypocrisy of prayer!! My favorite short video you did is when you wrote how God ignores poverty, etc but helps find your car keys and win football games!! I've showed that to all of my christian friends and they couldn't say anything!! 🤣🤣 Thanks for all your enlightening messages and don't stop!! 🥰👍
I touched on that on my recent prayer video! In case you haven't seen it 😁
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Err God doesn't help your football team win in the sense you imagine, he might help you find something you need. And when you say poverty, do you mean people in the world in general?
@realitywave God will help you find salvation and the truth through Jesus Christ the Son.
There's enough food to feed the world, enough money to go around, enough resources to raise everyone out of poverty that God has provided.
There are those in the world want to keep others down because they are afraid of losing their power and control.
They give themselves over to spiritual wickedness and into the arms of Satan.
God wants you to cast all your problems and cares onto Him. Try being brutally honest with Him in prayer and then listen...
@@fender97 That's funny. All those years as a Christian and the literally hundreds of times I prayed for god to help ease my doubts and strengthen my faith....and here I am now an agnostic/atheist.
@@fender97 I can’t really tell if this comment is either sarcastic, or made by a person younger than 16
If humans don’t have the authority to question God, because we’re unimportant creations, why is our sin so important it needs to be punished(let alone eternally punished)?
Not to mention that someone doesn’t need authority to question someone. In fact, it’s people with authority who need to be questioned by others. That’s like arguing that you need to have a lot of money and connections in order to investigate corruption.
It’s kind of weird to me that God doesn’t want us to question him, but God wants us to be able to have free will and willingly choose if we want to follow God… How am I supposed to do that if I’m not questioning God and thinking?
If God is an authority figure, he has duties to his subjects. Any authority which claims all rights and privileges against those it rules over, yet affords them absolutely no rights, is unjustifiable tyranny. Would anyone willingly consent to obey a government that says "You have absolutely no right to live, and if the ruler says you should be killed for the good of his government, you have no right to complain about it and in fact should tell us how good and smart we are for killing you"? Of course not. If God wants the right to judge people, he owes them certain things. And one of the foremost duties a sovereign tends to owe is a duty of protection, to keep those under the sovereign's jurisdiction from avoidable harm, including from the sovereign himself. Needless to say, God's not looking too hot on that front.
If God doesn't want any connection with his creation whatsoever, if he wants to be absolutely independent of it and owe it nothing whatsoever, then he has no right to say how he wants it to be run or to judge those in his creation for what they do. If there's no relationship, there are no obligations; if there are obligations, they go both ways. God, in creating, owes his creation something, and if he didn't want that obligation all he had to do was not create.
Very well said.
Sin is the absence of love only to be corrected not punished (Jesus Christ ACIM)
I like your first question. If I'm so unworthy and nothing more than a filthy sinner, why am I even on his radar?
This passage has bothered me since I was a young person Even then, I knew it was wrong. I went in and out of Christianity all of my life, and I was miserable most of the time. At 70 years old, I have finally realized that what I tried so hard to believe just isn't true. I'm not brave enough to come out to my Christian friends because when I tried to tell my cousin, she just shut me out. Right now, I consider myself as an agnostic because I just don't know if there is a God somewhere. I don't believe that the God I tried so hard to believe in is real. I may be wrong, but this is where I'm at right now. I love your videos, Kristie. Keep them coming!
Excellent points Kristi!
One thing I hear a lot is "Someday you will stand before God and he will ask you about your sins.What are you going to tell him?"
I will tell him this; " nothing I have done even comes close the the amount of destruction, murder and torment you have inflicted upon this earth. Be gone demon, you have no power over me!"
Excellent point, he can honestly fuxk off with his questioning about anything. I won't even speak to that monster (if it exists) that doesn't appreciate human life.
"One thing I hear a lot is "Someday you will stand before God and he will ask you about your sins.What are you going to tell him?""
I would say "If you don't know, then youre not god.".
Fear-mongering the griftian tool to control people, exploit them and become filthy rich. That fear tactic doesn't work here.
kerishannon: No, you won't. You definitely won't!
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Having studied unhealthy relationships in depth, I can confirm this is an abusive/one way relationship
when I hear 'you have free will to choose to go to hell and do things your own way'... that sounds so much like 'look what you made me do'...
Kristi, I haven't seen any video of yours that I haven't liked-this one is no exception. I like the way you put things simply and frankly, but yet,thoughtfully.I agree with everything you said in this video.I sometimes have a hard time expressing what I'm thinking, but you have confirmed those thoughts and conclusions many times.Keep up the work you are doing, Kristie.I'm looking forward to your next video.Peace.
Satan sent her, BE CAREFULL!!!
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Satan my ass ,will you christians only use threats and bullying ,Satan is illusion God is delusion
"maybe he should get better at sculpting." 🤣🤣🤣 Oh that was a good one.
Yet another video where you say out loud just what I've been thinking for years. Seriously, it's so refreshing and kind of a relief to hear that I'm NOT the only person who feels this way about these versus and "doctrines". I have been labelled by church people as someone with a bad attitude, or a trouble maker because I ask questions or say the "doctrine" doesn't make sense. I grew up Catholic, then took a side road into Pentacostalism, I can tell you that I've had enough of all of it. Done. Thanks for your videos, very encouraging.
I'm also Catholic and was forced to go to church when a kid. I've seen through this claptrap over time and agree that we should be able to say this out loud.
Hey Kristi I appreciate your videos, you have really helped me with my deconstruction and I thank you so much, keep it up, you are marvelous!
I'm so happy to hear my videos have helped 😁 thanks for being here!
Try to thank her in hell will not cool things down.
This idea that we are simply like clay in a potter’s hands illustrates the writer’s stupidity 😂
IT'S not near as stupid as the immoral BS bible. 😂😂😂
No, it illustrates your very limited and poor concept of God.
@@nicholastrudeau7581 The idea that we are simply like clay in a potter’s hands illustrates that they are limited and have a poor concept of God?…
@@MaidenOfHusbands not quite. Coming to the conclusion that the writer is stupid for saying such reveals that.
@@nicholastrudeau7581Have you ever seen this imaginary alien? What's his height, weight etc. What else does he eat? Babble tells us dude loves BBQ, both animal and human flesh.
BTW @jezebelvibes, I love your new look/presentation/lighting/background. Your casual, laid back recording style has always fit the style of your content, but this does give a more polished look, too.
Thank you! It's been a bit of challenge getting into a studio and getting all of my audio set up but I'm finally getting into a comfortable groove 😊
Im addicted to your videos! Keep it up ❤❤
It’s absolutely astounding. In ANY other context, the manufacturer would be rightfully blamed for a faulty product.
Someone builds a faulty home, the builder would be blamed.
Someone builds a faulty car; the automaker would be blamed.
Yet, knowing these examples and countless others, the Christian will still cling to this notion that their “creator” is completely blameless, even when he SAYS that he’s the potter, and we are the clay and the scripture says that we can’t resist his will or who can resist his will?
It must be nice to reside in the magical world of “Ignoring What Your Bible actually says.”
Kristi, I love the toddler with play-do analogy. Too funny!!!!
Great content as always, Kristi. Also, we love our new “bigotry isn’t cute” t-shirts. Our younger daughter is Aro-Ace and always appreciates people supporting the LGBTQIA+ community.
Ahh!! Thanks so much for rocking the shirts and for all your support 😁 your daughter sounds awesome!
@@jezebelvibeswe’re obviously biased, but we agree 100%. ❤️
Yes, gays are so hateful. They just hate Christians for no reason.
CharlesPayet: Your daughter deserves better parents thsn you. The Lord Jesus promised heavy punishment for those who corrupt the minds of children.
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Jackass 😬
I’m with you, Kristi! Reading the Bible made me leave Christianity in the first place.
Not only that, the thoughts of Hell, demons putting ideas in my head, fearing for my friends b/c they don’t believe in Jesus, and worrying that I’m good enough to go to Heaven really REALLY affected my anxiety.
I’m better off without Christianity in my life, and I don’t care if anyone thinks otherwise!
ericwelling: Rest assured, eric, you're heading to be with her for a long, long, time. Though I think her company might pall on you before too long!
@@williambunter3311 Thank you for your opinion. I’m just happy as I am now.
No, your lack of understanding of the bible is what caused you to leave Christianity, but while you may have left Christianity you were never a true born again Christian because if you were then the Holy Spirit would've helped you to understand the bible from God's perspective of things instead of your own and you would know things beyond all doubt due to the Holy Spirit confirming them.
All ex-Christians prove by claiming to be ex-Christians is that they were never true born again Christians in the first place.
@@ericcwelling5970 Same here!
@@williambunter3311you can never win anyone over with love, all you can do is threaten somebody who leaves the fold.
I don’t think what you said was out of love and compassion at all. What you just insinuated proves at its core that Christianity is all about fear, control and putting you in place. You just proved kristi right in this video. It’s despicable.
You rock Kristi! 🔥
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I agree! Satan's Brimstone Bedrock is waiting for you and her.
@@gemmeerobinson1803
Has anyone ever told you that your religion makes you cruel and talk like an idiot? 🤔
I really enjoy listening to you Kristy, because your contents are genuinely deep and thought provoking… I am struggling with my faith in God these days and I agree with you on so many levels when it comes to the biblical God and Jesus… Thanks a million for sharing your thoughtful analysis with us… You are very brave and I like that about you!
A very good exposition Kirsti, good ammunition against false evangelical logic.
What logic? It's false evangelical brain washing!
Another great video!
I have CPTSD as well as ADHD. CPTSD is from childhood trauma. Much of that trauma was from the influence of religion on my parents, grandparents, other authority figures such as teachers & myself. Authoritarianism instead of empathy ruled our lives and excused the physical, mental and emotional abuse they perpetrated on me. I am just now deconstructing my whole life, as this has almost destroyed me over & over. Thank you for being a part of my healing process.
It is so important that you're sharing this in such an eloquent way❤
I wasnt expecting to cry but this video really hits home. Thats how you feel with christianity, well god created the universe and im just unfortunate to be apart lf the world he created so im at his liberty. I never thought i would need further validation that im a human being and i dont deserve evil shite happening to me just bc i didnt turn out his perfect way. Thank you so much Kristi.
Nothing has changed, just the same...
Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and all believers of the lies and Unbiblical teachings of the anti-Christs about
"Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are
still Satan the Devil's liars, cruel, and merciless slaves on earth
who
are offended, angered, and just can't accept the TRUTH
that
all persons on earth who honor Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
will
definitely be favored, honored, and rewarded by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, grief, sickness, and death
Nothing has changed, just the same....
all Atheists, Agnostics, Evolutionists, and fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian Religions in the world
who are claiming that the Bible is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales
are
still offended, angered, and just can't accept
that
all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive worshippers of the Creator who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's disciples and followers, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the Creator's own right time,
all of them will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist forever on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, deceivers, slanderers, traitors, and murderers
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the "Kingdom of God".
❤️
Found this extremely helpful!
I too found this scripture comforting for a time then upsetting and disturbing as I realised that I was not turning out to be a conforming Christian I was meant to be.
Thank you, this will help many!
My mother was a charter member of "The First Self-Righteous Church of the Holier Than Thou." I grew up "knowing for a fact" that my name was NOT written in the Book of Life, and I was therefore destined to eternity in hell.
I reached the conclusion very early on that, if God really did love me and knew that I was destined for hell, that it would have been much kinder to have just never made me.
Searching the scriptures for a loophole to my fate eventually led me to see too many contradictions with both itself and available evidence.
My deconversion was complete with the realization that the entire premise of Christianity was inherently flawed.
Since leaving Christianity, my mental health is much better, I no longer hate being alive, and my soul knows peace and love.
I'm sorry that you were subjected to such horrible emotional abuse. Just know that God is real, and loves you very much, and what you experienced is not what Christianity is meant to be.
I was told "not to ask these questions just have faith" that's why I turned to science and question everything!
Science is the analysis/ study of Gods creation. Why haven’t scientists explained to us how the earth was created and who created it? How humans were created ?
@@chanty2652 umm evaluation?
Kristi, your content has helped me so much. This video brings up a lot of my issues with my indoctrination from my female parent. After I left her home I ended up in a couple of abusive relationships and female parent yelled at me saying that she raised me better than that. But in reality, she raised me to believe I was just a lump of clay and that God was in control. 🤷🏻♀️ These teachings cause damage on so many levels and I hope the madness ends!
Well said!❤
Thank you Kristi for another great video as always 👍
"I find it comforting to believe you will burn forever for exposing my gullibility."
- Christians
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The chr st an creator created humanity to love with his entire being. He wanted to be so close that he designed our minds to be a vessel for his whole life to live through. That's our true self. He gave his only begotten son to redeem us. He will be infinitely hurt by losing each person.
@@MikaChen-gl5gt Why does he have to earn that love by threatening eternal torture? Love me, or else.
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The chr st an Bible particularly describes how threatening doesn't change people. In the new covenant, Got offers his love, mercy and his spirit to perfectly teach us individually IF we perfectly trust to be taught. We don't have to earn love. He loved us enough that even while we were still sinners he gave his only begotten son to save us. People are judged based on what they understand and the degree to which they understand.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Justice MUST happen sooner or later. It is being withheld temporarily to give each person time to decide to fully give up bad choices and fully pursue good choices. Got made us with infinite value so our choices are also infinitely valuable and their consequences are infinite too.
The most amazing thing about this channel is the sheer volume of comments the videos generate. It's something like one comment for every ten views which is an astounding level of engagement for a channel this size. You must be doing something right!
Congrats on your success Kristi and long may it continue.
Thank you! I think the fact that my views are controversial definitely helps. But I do like to hope that my videos encourage a lot of discussion!
Kristi is talking what so many people are thinking. Humanity is sick and tired of being deceived and lied too. Kristi is helping Humanity to WAKE UP!
Hi Kristi, I have been seeing other's content claiming to "debunk" you or to disagree with you but when you listen to them and read the comments, it's obvious that you have a lot of supporters. I love your work and so glad to see that so many others do too. We've got your back, girl!! Keep doing what you're doing!!!❤❤❤
I would love to see your reaction to Dear God by Dax. Really makes you think with the questions he asks God.
Have a good one ❤❤❤
Also, thank you for these videos they keep me thinking as well.
Ya know you are really very good at this. I am not even religious and not really ever have been, but your unsermons are very delightful.
Same. I'm not religious and never went to church but my daughter converted to Islam from Christianity and I see that religions only purpose is to oppress women. It's all a lie. It's all a grift 💰
Great example of the Absurdity of belief in God. Did he make us to destroy and punish us if we dare think for ourselves?? Thanks Kristi.
Amen.
Why are you here if you aren't quite sure yourself? Seems like it would be a complete waste of time.
Lol… “ he should have been an artist” 😂😂😂 I love her videos..
Sky guy is a jack of all trades and master of none.
I'd like to see you on the atheist experience
“…to make out of the same clay, one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?” Wait, what’s that stuff about free will? If a “vessel” is MADE for dishonorable use, they are doomed from the start, right? Oh I’m sure there’s some nonsense to explain the contradiction, like always.
It's the only logical conclusion we could come to with this verse, that free will just doesn't exist within the biblical God's system. And it's amazing how many mental gymnastics Christians perform to deny this.
Todd Friel has openly said God controls everything you do but also you have free will and its your fault he's torturing you.
@@Nemo12417 Well when you put it that way, it makes perfect sense! I mean, who could argue with that logic?😵💫😵💫😵💫
@@smidlee7747 That only makes sense if everyone on the tracks starts out at the same station. But the “potter” makes one vessel for honorable use and one for dishonorable use. Someone is on a track that’s heading straight off a cliff. That’s not free will, no matter how you want to twist the definition.
@@smidlee7747 God allows man to chose the path the path? So now you are choosing to ignore the parts of the Bible that don’t fit your narrative. Where’s the potter who is choosing who gets to be honorable or dishonorable? You can’t have it both ways.
I've listened to many of your videos, you do an excellent job of analyzing the scriptures and interpreting them without a filter. Thank you for doing these.
I learned from a reformed theological seminary outside of Philadelphia all I needed to know about double predestination. We are god's puppets and he moulds our eternal destiny like lifeless clay. What kind of being would create people to suffer. I'm so happy that I escaped that narcissistic relationship.
But have you really escaped? God being good or evil doesn’t negate or disprove his existence. It just probably means He’s a ‘evil’ Deity. If that is so, then you thinking you’ve escaped just further drives home the point that some are saved and others aren’t.
@@henrymartins4549 I don't see enough evidence that god exists. After I left Christianity, I realized that the god depicted in the bible is evil. I saw more clearly and objectively when I left.
Yup! The clay analogy is antithetical to free will. 👏
Great job on the channel! Big fan, though I’m a Christian.
I love that you are so honest, don’t stop searching for the Truth!
Thank you! I appreciate that.
I'm a Catholic Atheist so how does that work? I'm looking forward to the next god botherers to knock on the door, I'll play Black Sabbath in the background, Go Ozzy!!!!!
@@Andy-wx4wx haha 😂 I met Izzy at a book signing one time.. told him I named my cat after him. He told me, “masjid he jsjxvebzh!!” 😳 I had no idea how to respond, and it made it so awkward.
I’m also catholic but I challenge my church to answer my questions, a lot of times they can’t, or respond with garbage. But RUclips has helped me find good answers.
ah, one of my favorite subjects to tear apart theist nonsenes when they claim "free will".
Oh, common on, God absolutely gave his sons and daughters free will. Just don't ever use it.
velkyn1 - Does it bring some sort of satisfaction or sudo intellectual superiority to ‘tear someone apart’?
P.S. - You have never disproven free will, not have you ever disproven the existence of God. It’s not possible. Best you can do is fall back on a ‘burden of proof’ clause as if that is somehow a validation to your point.
I respect those who don’t believe. Those who want to ‘tear people apart’ are just attempting to fill a lingering hole inside themselves.
@@ianalan4367 It brings me satistfaction to stand up against liars who cause real harm. And funny how you still can't show your god exists nor that the bible supports free will.
I have quite a bit of evidence your imaginary friend doesn't exist. No one noticed any of the supposed events it caused in the bibile. There is no archaeological evidence for these events, and we have people going about their normal lives, no magic, at any time claimed for these events to have happened. So, yep, it is quite possible to show your god doesn'tn exist. The only way you can get out of this is to make your god some vague bit of nonsense like a "ground of being" and try to claim that it isn't important that the events in the bible happened.
Alas, no "lingering hole", just the lies of a christian trying to gaslight atheits into not standing against your harmful nonsense.
That god set some people aside for damnation, before their birth, regardless of how they lived, because of how HE made them, is very cruel. So many people don’t realize that they have rights as human beings, and this is so sad.
My sister who is a big “God squader,” wanted to engage me in a “let me explain why God is real”conversation. I humored her for a while then just asked her “how do you know this is true and real? I want empirical evidence.” She said well the Bible says it and I believe it. I responded, “that right there is the problem, the Bible is not proof and you don’t know, you just want to believe.” She kinda gave up after that. 😁
Your sister and my sister believe, because they want to believe and/or need to believe. Faith and willful ignorance is all you need to keep you on track to believe nonsense.
@@tinequeek9056 - I hear ya tine!! Cognitive dissonance is real. 😁😁
So pleased to hear you are an artist Kristi. I am not surprised 🙂 You are doing really good work with these videos.
Thank you so much for these videos. Your clear and cogent arguments make me feel like I’m on the right track, even when sometimes I also feel like I’m swimming upstream, as far as the world around me. I appreciate your thoughts and words
the fear factor that has touched every aspect of our lives . once we overcome the fear and are brave enough to question why we believe what we do and accept the reality of it, then we can truly be free and understand why others want to rule over us . we should want to know ourselves , why we think the way we do and behave the way we do. i wanted to know why do i fear death and other things that basically revolve around biblical principles, so i learned hebrew and some of the koine greek , i thought that would give me the true understanding of the bible that i needed. i thought there were mystical , magical hidden meanings, only to find out that there is not. it wasnt disappointing, i learned a lot more about human nature and why we are basically programmed from birth to the grave . why, how , when ,where and what, may lead you to WHO benifits from controlling you , dont be afraid. someone said something like this, know thy self. thank you Krisi for being a catalyst for those who are sincerely struggling to be set free.
Nothing has changed, just the same...
all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all kinds Religions in the world
who are mocking and degrading the Creator as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
are still offended, angered, and can't accept the TRUTH that
the Creator is not worthless and useless but a loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father
who will definitely honor and reward all loving, kind, and respectful persons
who submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
with
ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, traitors, and murderers.
Nothing has changed, just the same...
all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world
who are mocking and degrading the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless, useless, and without any value at all
are still offended, angered, and can't accept the TRUTH that
Jesus Christ is not worthless and useless but a loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King
who in the Creator's right and proper time,
will RESURRECT back to life all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his early disciples, and many others
so
they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
Thank you for your videos!
Thanks for being here 🥰
Thank you very much for making these videos to help us to get unchained from evil religion barriers. I was a Christian and a schizophrenic who often got threatened by god and others in my world(delusions, hallucinations) for the uncontrollable intrusive thoughts that I got because of OCD and also thinking that this spirit would be Satan's also arouse more threats due its form of blasphemy. My father is a Buddhist who I was said that he would face consequences because of his religion by god and god said that he is not convincing my father to be a Christian for me and I should suffer in order to succeed and I never verbally said anything to my father to whom I now report about the one who threatened me, as a disbeliever of god but today I'm happy to feel that I'm not in a religiously deluded family so that I could get many explanations by my father which helped me to walk away from this evil god and voices that I hear are from the entities that I created in my head including god. The more I believe in these mythical beings, the more powerful they're. Of course, at the beginning it was really hard but later on, with these videos I started feeling lesser resistance in walking away. So, thank you again! I expect that the zones controlled under Muslim laws would soon become more controlled under moral laws than this evil god's laws, protecting the rights of many people including LGBT committee(Of whom I have empathy for what god hasn't.)
What?
That's the only thing God was right about was the gays. It's about time the atheist community said "enough is enough" & fight back against them. They are literally going after our children.
@@jamesarnette1394 Okay, I replaced the pronouns with proper/common nouns changing some parts of the paragraph. Thank you!
Very thought provoking video. Keep on making more videos.
Your videos are very thought triggering and I love it, hopefully you continue to make this type of content.
Paul was Deceitful guy if he even existed
I have very strong opinions about Paul 😄
You need to read the gospel again
@@lanceshadrick1152No you
@@lanceshadrick1152I mean I am a huge fan of fiction.
@@lanceshadrick1152 Goofspell🤣
Potter and Clay I don't know why I thought of the movie Ghost all of a sudden😂
😄 honestly me too
As an ‘80s teen, I will never not be able to think of that movie when hearing those words. 😂
The band Larkin Poe has a song called "Blunt" with a great line: "If you knew your chisel was blunt, why did you make so many of us?" Very good question...
Wow. Kristi. You exude pure Divinely inspired wisdom, if EVER there was such. This is beautifully done, beautifully expressed, beautifully shared, so deep, so profound, so simple, so wise. You are truly an amazing gem. I'm stunned. Thank you! I will DEFINITELY be sharing this video! ❤
A few months ago I showed my mom one of your videos. She since then has started deconstructing Christianity, left her crappy church and she's now focusing on herself and what she wants. Thanks Kristi
I love it. My new name for the God of Western religions is now officially "the toddler god!'
When my kid was a toddler, his modeling clay picked up a bunch of animal hair and random dirt. Do with that what you will when it comes to this passage in the Bible.
God telling us to not worship any other gods but him because he’s a jealous God… really lets you know that he’s a toddler God.
We all should question everything. Follow the evidence, use logic and see where it leads. Then draw our own conclusions.
I was kicked out of Sunday School with this attitude. I'm 58 year sold now and still don't know wtf? LoL
Love your work on RUclips.
I came across a passage that gave me such vivid and painful memories, and I have to take a break from deconstructing as I have been closely reading without humanistic philosophies, just me. My parents were mentally and physically abusive. I'm 50, army vet and truck driver still suffering from everything is my fault and I need punishment: constant fear and anxiety. Several examples make me cringe at what I thought was a loving God. But David in one account is tempted by Satan to take a census. But in another account it's God. Either way God becomes so mad and tells David that he must choose between 3 punishments for the Israelites--sort of a pattern that others not David is punished. This is exactly what my parents did to me and my sister. Just the most simple mundane thing, and one thing they did was make us choose between 3 punishments and both have to be punished regardless if the other had nothing to do with it. It's just so maddening. Nope. I'm done, I'm done, I'm so done with this false idea of the God of love. I wouldn't do this stuff to my dog. Why? Because I love him with all my heart.
Keep your autonomy and creative nature and you're the potter of your own life.
I love how you break these ideas down so simply. I really had to pause and let the inanimate object part sit for a while because it was so spot on and such a good way to explain the free will fallacy as well
I agree that all humans are worthy of having the best life possible. We are not, like the Bible says, just a lump of clay or any other inanimate object. Everyone has worth regardless of what they look like or believe. Thanks for your thoughts about those verses.
if god or the RELIGION itself is ABSOLUTELY true….
….then this god and the faith would and should be WILLING to stand SCRUTINY.
Absolutely. God shouldn't be so emotionally immature that he can't handle a little constructive criticism 🤭
Exactly! Question authority, regardless of who/what that authority is.
That passage in Roman's made me think more on the lines of god intentionally makes some people wrong, makes their life full of misery so those he chooses to make well can see how benevolent and good he can be. It's all post hock rationalization for why there is suffering under gods rule.
Nothing has changed through the years, just the same...
all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world
who trick and deceive others to join them in mocking and degrading the Creator as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
are still offended, angered, and can't accept the TRUTH that
the Creator is not worthless and useless but a loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father
who will definitely honor and reward all loving, kind, and respectful persons
who submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
with
ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, traitors, and murderers.
Nothing has changed through the years, just the same...
all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world
who are mocking and degrading the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless, useless, and without any value at all
are still offended, angered, and can't accept the TRUTH that
Jesus Christ is not worthless and useless but a loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King
who in the Creator's right and proper time,
will RESURRECT back to life all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his early disciples, and many others
so
they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
I like your videos. You are calm and don't get angry, and you say the things I've felt but not been able to put into words. You're a more better word person than me.
Another great commentary by Kristi. She is a gold mine of thought-provoking insight into evangelical Christianity.
Your point was brilliant!! I’d say it could be better written like we are a clay on his hand meaning, he made us very unique and paid close attention to our details… as we are a piece of art BUT unfortunately the writers decided to give it a different direction of their phrasing. No surprise. 😅
Well said!
This was actually a big thing for me as a Christian... I used to be an awful person. Like, to the point of ruining lives and nearly taking one. And I had thought, I pray and pray for forgiveness, that God shape me into something he might love and find acceptable... And paired with Paul's thorn. The one he prayed for and was unable to shake off. I thought, surely I'm this way because God wants me to be. I don't know why my role would be to hurt people, but I must. It felt so natural even, and by that I mean, an intuition. I'd see someone who didn't stand out in particular but I felt drawn to them, felt like they were next, and I had convinced myself that God had desired it. For otherwise, he would have changed me already.
You can really only change yourself. Gotta work on the why and realize that you're not some cursed abomination, a wretched lump far asunder, destined to never see heaven's light. That light can be within you - you don't have to be awful. And yes. Being taught that that was my natural state, that all men are born with such desires, all that did not help at all...
This analogy is the same thing as the Bible writers saying, “We only want sheep who will mindlessly follow what we say - no goats who think for themselves allowed.” I am a goat.
I think it's great that you think for yourself. If our religion can't hold up to your scrutiny, then why should you follow it? Jesus gave the Twelve Apostles about three years to hang out with him and make their own decisions about who he was. Jesus told his followers to count the cost of following him, he didn't want a bunch of people who hadn't thought through would following him would mean.
"Greatest Of All Time" and angry jealous bible god is punching things.
Christopath when are you actually ascending to heaven after dying? Waiting for your first text from heaven's west wing.
@@christophergibson7155 no ,, they mindlessly follow their flock to the slaughter ...your inability to process common sense is really mind blowing and sad,Someone must have really abused you as a child ,, I understand why you need a cult to feel safe in...
Kristi, it gets worse…. If I’m interpreting ROMANS 9 correctly , and I hope I’m not,
That “lump of clay” was actually formed to be hostile to G-D in the first place-- that is you are made to be G-D’s enemy….. so you are eternally punished for only behaving as you were created for.
The biggest thing that pointed me in another direction, was watching near death experiences, plus having and experience myself. A few hours of listening to those NDEs and wow your whole perception of life changes forever ! Keep up the great work !
Excellent video! Loved the "angry toddler with play-dough" analogy 🙂
Hey Kristi, could you also make such a video aiming Jesus's teachings about the hell? Revelation too?
Jesus mentioned hell but said very little concerning any specifics about hell.
A bad workman blames his tools
Maybe God is a sadist who enjoys watching his creations suffer. That would explain a lot. It’s a mistake to assume that God all-loving. The evidence doesn’t support that.
Even the _book_ doesn't support that. 🧐
I Agee Kristi!! So thankful you are here!
It was the verse that changed everything for me too!
So glad this is all just fantasy. I've been called lots of things but never a "lump".
In Eastern Orthodox Christianity we (they) read a lot of prewritten prayers and so many have lines such as “but I, a lowly worm, the worst of sinners”. Many prayers are taken directly from scripture. A few years ago, about halfway into my deconversion, I stopped saying those. I already struggled with low self worth and here I was, repeating, daily, how bad I was. Here we are created in the image of god but worth nothing. Hmmm
How are you going to navigate life believing you are broken?
They NEED to convince you you're broken so they can sell you the cure. It's all a lie and a grift 💰
How are you to love others as yourself if you believe you yourself are a dirty, worthless sinner? 😢
Like crap on the bottom of a shoe...
Interesting. I had a similar experience at my old High Anglican church. Repeating week after week the lines about being unworthy and the lowliest of low sinners does not seem good for your mental wellbeing. Also, the weekly confession is bad for you. Usually I had not done enough bad to fill the time of confession, and any sins I committed I already had repented of and felt guilty over anyway. What would happen, then, is I would repent of the same sins, ones from years ago, over and over again, week after week. They tell you that there is freedom in Jesus Christ from your past, but they keep you in a guilty rut over your past. Realizing I had done enough penance, I stopped attending and felt better.
@@eternaltengri7657 "repeating week after week" my dude that's brain washing
@@undrwatropium3724 that's how a liturgy works. Also I think your comment about people believing they are broken is spot on. Altogether Christianity instills a defeated and deprecating mindset . My mother would often use that line about brokenness to describe herself and it was upsetting. I did not like how it made her see herself
Actually, its translated as "dont question my nonsense, just blindly believe"
Thank you so much for your videos!❤
Wow, you make a lot of sense. I have long sat on the fence concerning the nature of God. Really I've had so much trouble trying to see him as a loving God. I've feared even saying these thoughts out loud for the fear of Hells Fire. I am slowly deconstructing my beliefs concerning Christianity. Your logiical thoughts on this subject has given me calm. Thank you
Thanks goodness there are no such things as gods outside of the imagination. 😶
@@christophergibson7155 as the great Sasquatch said, Quatch 14:5 “He who quoteth from any other book than the book of the Quatch, shall be rent asunder.”
You hit the nail on the head. God cannot blame human beings for their choices, if "He" created everything (everyone) to be the way it is. This is determinism and predestination. If God controls everything, them there is no "free will," we are all robots, and eternal punishment for Adam's sin or one's own sin is entirely "His" fault. This constitutes total immorality and absolute evil on God's part. 😇
The CREATOR is not a fictional character in the Bible but the True and Sovereign God as written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3
JESUS CHRIST is not a fictional character in the Bible but the One given by the Creator all authority and sent from heaven to earth to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
SATAN the DEVIL is not a fictional character in the Bible but a Liar, Father of Lies, and Murderer of human beings as written in John 8: 44
WHO CAUSE the SUFFERINGS, GRIEFS, and DEATHS of MANKIND?
ANSWER -
The Bible exposes
that all Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world
who trick and deceive others to join them in mocking, opposing, and degrading -
1. the Creator as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God in opposition and defiance of what were written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 and
2. Jesus Christ as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth and his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead", worthless and useless too, in opposition and defiance of what were written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
are obviously
Satan the Devil's liars, cruel, merciless, fierce, and deceitful servants and slaves on earth
who
don't respect and value the lives, dignities, and existence of their co-human beings....
not bothered at all and just don't care even if their lies, deceptions, falsehoods and Unbiblical teachings and doctrines about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
hurt, offend, insult, humiliate, and degrade the lives and dignities of their co-human beings including that of their own families, friends, and neighbors and cause their sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths.
WHAT is the WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of the AUTHORITY and TEACHINGS of JESUS CHRIST to HUMAN BEINGS?
ANSWER -
The Bible reveals
that all imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings
who freely and willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" in obedience to what were written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
are clearly
the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive worshippers of the Creator and followers of Jesus Christ on earth
who
will definitely be favored, honored, and rewarded by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, without liars, slanderers, hypocrites, deceivers, traitors, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, and 8.
The Bible reveals
that all human beings have no immortal souls and will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 and 9: 5, 6
but
all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive worshippers of the Creator and followers of Jesus Christ who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the Creator's own right time and as written in John 11: 25, 26,
Jesus Christ will RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@jaflenbond7854
In the beginning, Jupiter created Heaven (woman) and Earth (man) as one being (Him).
I think you've hit the proverbial nail on the head...
This sort of thing WOULD appeal to people who DON'T want autonomy...
It's the "happy life of the slave"...
If God makes all the decisions for them then they don't have to...
And, apparently, some people find this "comforting"...
(I could be snarky and suggest that maybe some of us are rather more sentient than others :) )
At 7:31 I was HOPING you were going to say with a unique set of skills!😂 Liam Neison
The section around the 9-minute mark kinda reminded me of Marcus Aurelius. "Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
@@mikeymik2 I too found some similarities with that concept, to the point where I've actually referred to the quote as the Aurelian Wager. It would seem to me that someone who accepts Pascal's wager would find whether the god or gods are just or not irrelevant, where Aurelius seems to think that worship and the question on the existence of god(s) are what is irrelevant.
For people like yourself, Kristi, who have had the courage and intelligence to question religion and to step away from it despite rejection and criticism, you are now the potter shaping your own life and beliefs. I think you're still in the process, It takes time.