Invisible to Engines | One Of The Greatest Moves Ever Played
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In 2002, the annual Dortmund Sparkassen Chess Meeting had an added significance: it also functioned as a Candidates Tournament, for the winner would earn the right to play Vladimir Kramnik for the title. Seven of the top ten players competed in Germany, and emerging as winner was the Hungarian chess prodigy, Peter Leko.
The financial backing for the match (a prize fund of $1.2 million) was contributed by the the cigar manufacturer Dannemann, the latest in a line of corporate sponsors (Intel, Braingames, and Einstein) for the non-FIDE World Championship title. The match was only 14 games, one of the shortest in World Chess Championship history. Kramnik was to retain the title in the event of a tie match, a detail which was to prove very important.
The very first game illustrated Kramnik's incredible defensive techniques. Leko, by most accounts, had the advantage by move 23; but Kramnik's masterful handling of the ending, combined with an error by Leko, enabled the Russian to take the full point. Not until the fifth game was Leko able to accomplish what Garry Kasparov could not: beat Kramnik in a World Championship match. Then in the eighth game, Leko was able to take the lead, when he achieved victory with the Black pieces by alertly finding over the board a serious flaw in Kramnik's immense opening preparation. Games 9 through 13 were all draws, leaving Leko ahead in the match with only one game left.
Come game 14, Leko needed only one more draw to secure the title of World Chess Champion. Kramnik was faced with the task of winning, at all costs, in order to save his title.
Vladimir Kramnik vs Peter Leko
"Marshalling his Forces"
Kramnik - Leko World Championship Match (2004), Brissago SUI, rd 8, Oct-07
Spanish Game: Marshall Attack. Modern Main Line (C89)
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. Re4 g5 16. Qf1 Qh5 17. Nd2 Bf5 18. f3 Nf6 19. Re1 Rae8 20. Rxe8 Rxe8 21. a4 Qg6 22. axb5 Bd3 23. Qf2 Re2 24. Qxe2 Bxe2 25. bxa6 Qd3 26. Kf2 Bxf3 27. Nxf3 Ne4+ 28. Ke1 Nxc3 29. bxc3 Qxc3+ 30. Kf2 Qxa1 31. a7 h6 32. h4 g4
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Развлечения
The dog is trying to improve his position
What's the idea here?
@@pianoboi4842 go away
@@user-kh6jf5zj6n no
6:30 doge is LOSIN bro lmaoo
@@pianoboi4842 the dog behind agadmator
I’m watching this two years later on a Sunday and it was in this position my Sunday was improved.
Yes my everyday is improved by agadmator's video
Same
One week later and now I'm watching it on a Sunday and my Sunday was also improved! That dog in the background was bein so weird the whole time hahaha
Another Sunday, another better Sunday.
I found the move. This time. Not so sure about first viewing two years ago.
haha I'm watching on a sunday right now. My sunday was improved hehe !! :)
Also the dog doing the breastroke is amazing lolll
cheaters: use engine to gain advantage
Leko: "That's a blunder."
I showed the position to my engine, 1.3L turbo diesel. It wasn't strong enough.
A beautiful dog that will be remembered in the history of chess
The dog backstroke swimming is the best part.
+1 :D
The 10 best traps
Yep, the dog is awesome. What's the dog's name
Half the viewers come to watch chess and the other half come to see what the dog will be doing in the background... :-)
I come here to see nude girls, but there are never featured any. :/
Engines:
🤖 ... a disgusting *H U M A N* line
LOL
Feel free to pause the video a few nanoseconds and run your algorithms in search of this filthy Primate idea
Dave:
How would you account for this discrepancy between you and the twin 9000?
HAL:
Well, I don't think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error.
Frank:
Listen HAL. There has never been any instance at all of a computer error occurring in the 9000 series, has there?
HAL:
None whatsoever, Frank. The 9000 series has a perfect operational record.
Frank:
Well of course I know all the wonderful achievements of the 9000 series, but, uh, are you certain there has never been any case of even the most insignificant computer error?
HAL:
None whatsoever, Frank. Quite honestly, I wouldn't worry myself about that.
Best ever comment on this channel!
hahaha
“White’s pawn structure is awesome. Black’s pawn structure is... you know... rather sad.” 5:30
2 years later here, but Stockfish 12 sees the move Queen to D3 correctly.
they probably hardcoded it in after this e m b a r a s s i n g attack on engines
Yip, and interestingly, it finds a different line to the Qxa1. It plays g4, threatening the knight and continuing the attack on the king.
SF shows -2 after depth 20 and -4 after depth 23.
Because this game is in the data base and the position is also in the data base there fore developers evaluated this line in stock fish
@@distructivegaming5494 no, stockfish doesn’t use a database.
6:53 and in this position the dog fell off the couch. Why did he fall? Well theres no moves to be made, hes out of space on the couch and he falls.
completely winning position for the couch
tears of laughter to my eyes - dogs are silly & mans best friend despite
Hahahaha
Dog captures, couch captures, dog catles, couch cannot capture beacuse capture capture mate in six, so couch e6.
He is agadmator s chess engine nd was stunned by peter leko s queen move 😅
Bad joke.. ya i know
Agadmator : this is the most legendary move in the history of legendary moves . If you find it you are legendary.
Comments: wowow the dog in the background
Lmao
Why it is so legendary? it was obvious that this was the best move for black.
I found the move but I wasn't able to find complete continuation 😥
@@MM-xi9dq Thank you, too true. I did not even pause the video and I found it immediately. I'm in no way a chess legend either, just a good player.
@@genericalfishtycoon3853 it's not about finding the move , but also the continuation after that
It's not about finding the move. It's about understanding why that move is so good, the reason behind it, the whole concept. Leko knew and I believe the moves after that felt natural to him.
fr
Three years later it did improve my Sunday.
here after leko found Re1 Bg6 in magnus hikaru game... alireza firouzja thought that hikaru's Re1 was winning
The dog is having the time of his life in the background
Chasing a rabbit in his dog-dreams.
Some said it was having a seizure
His Sunday was improved
@@Flatearth69 so he have seizures literally every video then
Ugh, I just posted the same thing. People will think I stole the comment, lol.
One and a half year later, it's now 2020 and Stockfish 10 found this move immediately. The machines are evolving fast.
Yeah, very interesting. It's -1 before and -6.2 after Qd3. What a strong move!
Maybe someone just put in that specific move for that board layout, not that the machine figured it out itself?
game between great GM in big tournaments goes in the database almost instantly, the same database that the engines use of course.
Well, if you analyze the game on chess.com (Stockfish 10 is the analyzer there), that move is still classified as a major blunder, and the engine is totally oblivious to the situation for about 4-5 moves, at which point it realises that it's in deep trouble and practically resigns.
Stockfish 11 (in-browser) on lichess.org saw this coming a mile away. Eval: 22.axb5 (0) Bd3 (0) 23.Qf2 (-1.7) Re2 (-3.4) 24.Qxe2 (-4.4) Bxe2 (-4.5) 25.bxa6 (-6.1) Qd3 (-6.3)
I’m weirdly proud of myself finding that queen move. It was one of 3 moves I thought would be good. However I doubt I would have been able to follow up a brilliant move like that to victory
Same here, I also thought it had to be something done with the queen… and then I was like “if it’s queen, what is the next move??”
That’s why they play and we watch 🤣
same
My old hand-held Radio Shack 1450, (endorsed by Kasparov), found Q-d3 after a bit of a wait, but was not equipped to follow up v the best moves by white. Still pretty good for an antique !
It is crazy how engines only 4 years ago were not able to see this move, that is, they were weaker as compared to the engines of 2022. I just put this position into stockfish 14.1 NNUE and instantly got recommended the move shown in the game that is; !!Qd3.
In just 4 years, the engines have improved so much. It is mad. It is also interesting as to where the engines will take us in the next few years.
It's also insane how the answer to this is actually Kf2, that leads to a perpetual.
Engines from 4 years ago? Try an engine from 14 years go...old Rybka 3 (from 2008) finds Qd3 in 1 second on an old pc. lol
@@Meander_ _"It's also insane how the answer to this is actually Kf2, that leads to a perpetual."_
No. Kf2 was played in the game and it leads to white getting checkmated. lol
I think engines are also trained with actual chess games, and this game must be one of their latest training sets. That's why current engines are able to find the move.
Engines HATE this move
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Yup
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In case anyone is wondering how an engine can miss a move like this but see how powerful it is afterwards, I'm something of an expert in chess engines. It's due to something called pruning, which is difficult to describe succinctly, but I'll try.
(Edit: due to a lot of feedback I'm editing this slightly to remove some terminology that is triggering to people who are rightly pointing out that there's a technical error in this analysis. I don't think it's a very consequential error, but I want to head-off further objections that are technically correct, but IMO miss the point.)
A chess engine searches for moves using something called a move tree. Basically if you pick a move, then try all the moves that result, then try all the moves that result from those moves, etc, you end up with something that looks like a tree, this is called the search tree. With each move that is tried, the search tree grows exponentially. This means no matter how fast the computer, as the search tree gets large, it becomes impossible to check every move. So to search to a greater depth (deeper into the tree) it is necessary to "prune" the tree, meaning we cut off branches that are "obviously" bad, and don't search them at all!
How can a move be so obviously bad that we decide to ignore its entire branch in the tree? This is where pruning comes in. Let's say it's blacks turn, and we check a branch and it leads to a plus 3 evaluation for white (i.e. white would get a piece up). If we already found a branch that leads to an even score for black, we cut off the branch a soon as we find the moves that lead to plus three for white, and we no longer have to check anything in that branch.
This technique would be fine in theory if it weren't for the fact that engines have a dirty little secret. Engines ABSOLUTELY SUCK at evaluating a board position. If this is true how can they beat the best player in the world? The answer is by looking so far ahead that the crappy board evaluation routine becomes less relevant. If we find a branch that leads to utter domination 20 moves later, it doesn't really matter that our evaluation is off by a point or two.
In practice this means engines can miss great moves for a variety of reasons, but it almost certainly comes down to a bad pruning at some point, leading to the engine not even checking the move or even the branch the move is on.
As I said this is difficult to explain for non programmers but hopefully this gives you the big idea. Feel free to ask questions for anything that was unclear! I love this stuff and I'd be happy to explain further.
Actually that was very well explained, well done!
You are an excellent explainer of chess engine magic
That's a great explanation, thank you :)
You're both quite welcome. Here are a couple more interesting observations. Imagine if the computer could perfectly evaluate a board position (determine who is winning and by how much). Then there would be no need for a search! You could just try each move and pick the one with the best score for the current player. Every other move would lead to an "alpha beta" cutoff (a type of pruning)! So the better you order the moves, trying the best moves first, the smaller (narrower) the tree. This is why alpha zero searches far fewer moves than stockfish but still crushes stockfish. It uses a traditional search, but the neural network is much much better at evaluating a board position than stockfish, because it learned through experience rather than by simply being told that a queen is worth 9 points, rook 5, etc. In fact, alpha zero doesn't even know the point value of pieces! Or at least it never was explicitly programmed to know them. It's simply better at evaluating a given board position.
Reverse engineering how alpha zero valuates a position is sadly not possible, any more than we could look at your neurons firing and figure out how you value things. We can gain some insights by looking at the neural network but it's a bit like trying to read music by looking at the grooves on a vinyl record. To really hear the music you have to play the album.
This is why alpha zero makes brilliant sacrifices and plays like Tal or Morphy. Nobody ever told it about the value of material. Everything it knows about chess it learned by experience rather than preprogrammed values.
Beautiful information my good sir
Well said!
I recently re-took up chess. As I stopped playing a while ago, I never really watched on line chess or checked out videos. So as I have come home, I have to say they are great. The commentator makes it. He great!!! Chess is great! But like anything else it's nothing without people. And this guy is great at it! Good content, witty yet brief comments. And he's not full of himself! Keep up the great work!
This wonderful channel has rekindled my love for the game of Chess, Well done, and always interesting.
293 engines watched this video
kunal 19 lol xD
Shit its at 420 engine’s
I've developed an engine that can find this move. I call it Lekobook -- it looks up positions in Chessbase to see if it's a position Peter Leko has ever seen. If it is, it plays what Leko did, otherwise it plays something random.
Thats genius
I think adding more GMs will make this a great idea :P
Gives a problem, programmer solves the problem and only the problem.
@@bwaybig it's a perfect engine!
The addition of randomness makes it LekoLoco
I like this dude's narration of these games.
I'm impressed with myself. I actually saw the queen to D3 into E3 check! But I probably wouldn't have been able to continue such a sharp line without messing up one of the other moves
I actually found this move, I didn’t know exactly why it’s so strong, but I figured it’s the only move for black. I doubt I would have found this move in an actual game as there wouldn’t be agadmator warning me that there’s 1 brilliant move that I could make but I’m still quite proud of myself.
The queen move was also my first guess but only because agadmator told me that the pawn capture was the wrong answer. I would have taken the pawn any day of the week in that position, it's such an obvious move.
I found this move as well, but only because like for you, to me it seemed the only possible move for black. However, I didn't even think of the knight moves afterwards, which were genius.
Exactly if agad didn’t tell me bishop was bad I probably would have done it. But it’s only because he told me it was bad I just guessed queen was good enough.
Stefan Dumitru same....it's easier if you're looking for it I have to say. Calculated the first line e.g Q+ Kg2 Bxf3 Nx Qe2+; but missed the other line which is more difficult imo
you are all liars
"Black's pawn structure is rather sad" 😂
the three lonely islands
Thank you for these chess videos , I’ve really improved as a player because of you!
I come back and watch this video every now and then and each time I watch that move gets even more impressive
1:55 Dog to K9........
Horny
Old Seadog That’s a good one
The best move in this video
🤣🤣🤣
K9!!! Brilliancy
The dislikes are just engines that are pissed off by human brilliance
A brilliant game. Thank you. I'm several years behind the release of this video but my Stockfish engine found Qd2 on the 3rd suggestion. Device - iPhone 11 Pro. Stockfish for iOS 2.13.0 (playing Stockfish 12). A fabulous move by Leko! Thank you.
"A beautiful game that will be remembered in the history of chess."
*Everyone only focused on the dog.
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I see the dog has great commentary of their own.
Your dog put on a great show today. And so did you. My computer suggested Knight e8 and only after that move did it come up with Queen d3! Awesome game. Give your dog a treat!
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I'd say the dog could use a good scratch.
Indeed
or he needed a good racing area hahahahaha
Your dog spazzing out in the background makes this so much better! 😂
I love it how he sees the dog is 'video-bombing' him on the couch, but just decides to ignore it (accept for a bit of a smile on his face) and continues his talk.
dog.exe has stopped working @2:19
Shawarmaboy You busted me up with that one!
For the first time have I seen a legendary GM sac his queen and then say.....the game would be remembered...... but for his opponent's move
Kasparov would just leave the room
I have to say that I miss these video where the dog is so active in the background. Such a show-off! Nice to see him again after watching more recent video recently. Keep up the excellent work!
Really great concise narration. I’m not a huge chess fan but your commentary makes it very enjoyable 👍
My impressively vast knowledge tells me that's Yasser Seirawan, the ultimate chess commentator :)
Freddy Mercury? ;)
:)
You beat me to it. He could be a clone.
He had a Killer Queen but just wanted to Play The Game :)
Very good, very good indeed... and witty.
Thx! You're My Best Friend ;)
2:30 The dog in the background have its greatest time of his life. 😂
That was a beautiful play and set-up. Loved the video as usual.
"Black's pawn structure is rather sad." Haha I like agadmator's choice of words.
Yeah, reminds me of Eric Rosen
For some reason I thought he was about to say shit but then all he said was sad.
My engine told me: i mean what do you expect me to do
Cameron Smith I see what you did there
I fucking loved what you did there mate
i didnt get it
rakib .h It's a reference to an interview between Maurice Ashley and Magnus Carlsen when Magnus got annoyed by one of the questions and at some point he said what was quoted ^^
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Loving these videos my man!! Just discovered your channel . . . Big fan
I found the move and was instantly like: wait, it can't be this because it doesn't achieve anything and the passed pawn will become a queen. Oh boy was I wrong.
Same
QD3 seemed like the obvious move to me... Chess engines don't see it apparently.
You found the move but you had no idea why it was a great move. So it is not likely that you would have found it in an actual game!
You are saying that you saw the move but would have played something different instead, which means that you didn't actually find that this was in fact THE best move, meaning you DID NOT find THE move.
@@UnicornrU Wet blanket
How come I never get any of the moves and am forced to "enjoy the show" but the one time I actually get it right is the 8d chess move that engines can't find
Same here. I just assumed that it was that move because what else allows him to control the space around the king? No idea if there is some higher level to why it worked.
Same. I was just like "oh qd3 and then you go qe3+ and um I guess you do something something and then something and somehow you mate him?"
@@aerialkiller5948 Exactly! :D That was my strategy too, and it worked! (Except I replaced qd3 with a "something", too.)
It’s just that we (yes I’m assuming) probably only looked 2 lines deep and so check check blah blah uhhh. But in professional games you literally have to look at every line because even the slightest inaccuracy will lose you the game and I just realized I tagged the wrong person
Your dog in the background is having a stroke but man this is a masterpiece.
I found Queen D3, but I was trying to justify why its actually a good move when you said it is infact what was played, I didnt see the opportunities it creates right away however qd3 was on my mind as an alternative to capturing the pawn.
love these videos
agadmator should include this game in his chess anime cause it's legit a human defeating a robot
Pretty sure stockfish 12 could easily find this...
@@someguywithnomustache4169 yeah but after learning it from leko , it's like saying you learnt how to clean your own ass at 12 years old after your dad taught you at 9
@@nextgenfootball69420 ?? If u go stock 8 it probably couldnt find it. It's just 12 was just better than 8.
@@someguywithnomustache4169 that's obvious
@@someguywithnomustache4169 dude it was ADDED after this match.
I'm now absolutely convinced that dog knows exactly when the camera is rolling.
FabledSomething I'm absolutely convinced that an engine couldn't find this move
I'm convinced the dog neither knows or cares about cameras, he's triggering on the human apparently talking to himself. Either that, or he's just _always_ like that.
mean while his dog: "I can surely get more attention than you" 🤣
What's the split on the YT revenue, dog/Agmator?
It's quite surprising how Kramnik and his team couldn't see the Qd3. Chess is a Game of Beauty.❤️
wow i threw both my hands in excitement when you revealed the move as it was my choice in move before you even said that taking the pawn was bad move even after i thought he still has 2 steps to get there. having said that i would not have even got my pieces to that formation this is amazing quality skill and so is yours on how you break it down. ive only played a handful of games on and off in my life as no one i know like chess but my nephew has got into chess and i love i can play with him. you have definitely improved my midset with just this video .. once agian thank you heaps made my night with getting the move right.. do you have other videos were i could analyse and guess the next move? p.s funny dog too
dude your dog is crazy
Ahmetcan Ozkan all dogs are crazy 😜
When I see Medo doing the upside dog paddle, you know something good moves are coming on the chessboard.
i love the internet
That dog is going to need a nap after all his "running" during his nap.
I saw this game on-line and Knaack - a former GDR chess champion, who was commentating it - could not understand Qd3 either on the spot, he held it for a blunder -, but later he said it is a move that marches in into chess history! Kramnik congratulated Leko as well after the match but he said, Peter shouldn't think he has already won, he (=Kramnik) can play chess as well... (Unfortunately he showed his abilities in the last game, really) I was so proud as a Hungarian that I was laughing for a week. I had tried to make engines search for the move many years ago - when the engines were much weaker than today - of course nothing was found they did not have the slightest idea about it If an Oscar prize could be given in chess for anything, I would vote for Qd3.... By the way, the Arabic subtitle is very disturbing, the last row of the board is covered.
I like these videos. He does a great job at describing chess and chess theory for people like me who don't really know the game well.
2:20 the move was so great even the dog couldn't contain his joy
Freddie Marcury, nailed it!
Thank you...truly brilliant.
Not to start anything, agadmator, but I got curious and interested when you said we try if our engines might guess this invisible move, so I fired up my years-dormant Scidformac with Stockfish 9.64, setup the board similar to the pause point and let it solve for the next move. Yes, the first suggestions were Bxa6 but after a few seconds, Qd3 started popping up all through to the end of the list, with the final Qd3 having a score of +72.0! So, going with that, I was sure glad to see the engine's suggestion proven the right one once going forward with the video :)
I just tried this out with the original "The Chessmaster" for the SNES from 1991 and when it's set to a higher level of play, it actually finds the move rather quickly... Seems like this old engine is really good for it's time!
Probably these games were programmed into it. Or at least certain lines of games.
@@konroh2 You think a specific line from a game that was played in 2004 was programmed into a Nintendo game from 1991....?
Give me some of that timetravel-kush you're smoking.
@@xeofreestyler I didn't realize the timeframe here. I thought it was an older game. I've found old chess engines to know a lot of specific lines and be stronger than people think.
Or perhaps CM simply did the same thing as this commenter below (without being clever enough for the follow-up "oh wait, it can't be this", let alone the even cleverer follow-up "oh wait, it is"):
"I found the move and was instantly like: wait, it can't be this because it doesn't achieve anything and the passed pawn will become a queen. Oh boy was I wrong."
A broken clock is correct twice a day.
Leko's high voice drives me crazy but after seeing this, he will have my eternal respect.
"I'll give you 5 seconds to find the move", "If you find this move you're a genius"... but shows the move in the video thumbnail the person had to click to get to the video >.>
Haha yeah, that made me chuckle a bit :D
I didn't see the thumbnail that well before I clicked the video, it was just in my peripheral vision.. Idk how its genius Im a 500 in blitz, 800 in classical on chess.com and I found it in 10 seconds. This just shows that genius moves aren't just for grandmasters to find, but gms need to keep making them whilst we make bad moves in between our good moves at my level. Im clearly not flexing im terrible at chess.
@@Stop_being_younger_than_me no
@@bellers5086 Ok? Its either ignore or elaborate what is wrong.
@@Stop_being_younger_than_me nope it's not either or
Honestly l cant concentrate because of your dog....I mean it's so funny
Watching this 5 years later on a Sunday and it's not your fault that my day is improved
I found it! The hint about the queen position in the beginning helped alot.
2:18 That is the cutest thing that i have ever seen
No
Your dog is having a seizure while you talking about a chess game lol.
Lol😂😂
Ahahaha
It’s hard to focus on the game when your dog is under attack by invisible bees!
Great video! And the dog action from 2:00 is hilarious! Love this.
Only just started showing an interest in chess (thanks to your channel).
Your analysis has helped me improve just after a week, so thanks 👍.
Very enjoyable channel.
FINALLY!!!! I've watched sooooo many of your videos and I always pause to do an analysis when you prompt us to. Usually I spend a solid half hour and find at least one line I'd feel confident in playing. Then I get my hopes and dreams crushed.
NOT TODAY!!!! I FINALLY SOLVED ONE, AND FOR THE RIGHT REASON! Wow that's a lot of excitement!
Stockfish 12 has no problems finding this move, and my engine seems to have found an improvement as well, 26. Kf2 Bf4!! Instead of 26. Kf2 Bxf3. Super interesting sacrifice line.
Incredible what over 2 years of improvement will do. Computers getting better all the time. We need even more brilliant moves to keep up!
Stockfish found it almost instantly. On the other hand Leela wouldn't even consider the move unless I forced it to calculate for 3 different moves. If I only have it calculate 2 different moves it can't decide between which bishop to send over to deal with the pawn. In the end, Leela gave it -5.6 after 3 minutes while stockfish gave it -5.9 after a few seconds.
Since Stockfish 10 all Stockfish engines have this game in their database so it doesn't really prove anything
@@mrbusta650 actually stockfish 11 on my phone can't find it.
@@mrbusta650 I don't know about chess engines storing whole games in their database just so they can solve one specific position. As a matter of fact I don't think they should have any database of games, you will have to point me to a source.
Stockfish does consider other moves initially before it settles for Qd3. Also, Leela (which is a neural network like alpha zero and thus shouldn't have any database) doesn't find this move unless told to look for 3 different moves from the initial position and takes a while to fully evaluate it, which would suggest that it doesn't just "know" the answer. So, I think there is good evidence to suggest that this move is not invisible to modern engines.
I've paused so many of your videos, it felt really good to get Queen to D3, especially since it was so hard to find!
I really enjoyed this game because I would never ever be able to find the move a year ago but after watching your channel like every day,I did find the move in just less than a minute and it was in this moment I realized watching your channel not only was about the enjoying the chess but it actually made me stronger, I know it doesn't even matter for you and probably for anyone but by watching your videos I don't really remember what was the last time I did blunder a Queen which was happening for me a lot, I also remember exactly when I was watching your channel for the first time my brother told me it is boring and it will never improve your chess,but here I am. I just played against my brother 7 times in 2 months and 7 victories so Thanks
I hate that I randomly guessed Qd3 in all seriousness
same here lol
Same
Same
Yep, me too. Did not see anything after it, just said Qd3.
Yeah why is that happening sometimes you just feel the right move, but sometimes it is just a terrible blunder.
2 years later Stockfish 12 finds this move with ease.
bullshit, stockfish didn't find this move, leko did, stockfish merely copied it in the next version
@@nextgenfootball69420 not how AI works
@@justsomecommentchannel8602 it's exactly how ai works, read about reinforcement learning
@@nextgenfootball69420 not quite, it uses the information from the games to modify the behavior of the AI. it doesn't "steal the move"
Just some comment channel I didn’t say steal, I said copy and you just described copying
i intuitivly saw this was the best move the moment you said "other than capturing the pawn", for some reason i usualy see this moves without being able to justify it with calculation, i was very happy when you confirmed even tho i would probably blunder afterwards
Found it in a few seconds. Made my day. I used to be a very good player when I was younger but not played for a while. Trying to get back into it.
do you play on chess.com or lichess?
I haven’t played chess in years, im 20 and still im just baffled by how much you know about this sport, I have huge respect for the game and although I’m not playing, I really enjoy your videos explaining the moves
Antonio is a great player .... That is undeniable .... But if your baffled by him you cannot manage to even comprehend how good grandmasters are ( like carlsen , Kasparov ) ...
Delighted to say I spotted the queen maneuvere. Although I suspect I've solved this before as a puzzle as it seemed familiar. I totally get what you say about engines not spotting some moves they subsequently recognise as very strong. In this case I'd be curious to know why the engine rejects it as weaker than the pawn capture. I wonder is it how the engine weights an imminent pawn promotion by the opposing player, likely to queen? The engines suggest the safer move.
When someone moves their queen into a meaningless square in the middle of a complicated position you can guess you're in worse trouble than you thought you were. It's the one step sideways by the queen that's hard to see, not expecting her to move as cumbersome as a king.
2:18 It is as of a Dancing Dog that we have a completely new game.
Tried my two simulators and neither showed that move. But once the queen was there Aha!! Black was clearly winning lol. Not sure why it’s invisible but it’s an amazing move
I think engines disregard this line as at a first glance, the pawn will queen. However this is not so.
Although i am not a very good chess player ,i found this move .
This channel have taught us a lot .
Chess is about thinking ,even average chess player can find very difficult puzzles if they think hard
Yes I saw the queen giving check in two moves starting with Qd3 then Qe3 (a week square), thanks for your teaching and opportunity to improve my chess!
Agadmator: so, I will give you a few seconds to try and find the move
Me: looks at thumbnail
Stockfish 7 found Qd3 in few seconds with -4.5 eval
I actually found the move, at first I thought it was QH5 to follow up with QH3 but then I saw the queen and bishop could align on the same diagonal. Beautiful.
Omg I figured this one out before he said anything! That feels really good!
"Invisible to humans, one of the biggest blunders ever made".
Title by "the engines".
edit: I didnt know I had 140 likes. Thank you!
This comment is underrated XD
Overrated more likely
It's just a video of every first move in chess.
@Ken Fullman That is beyond kind!
😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for your videos. Just a comment re: @7:55 "every engine I tried gives Bxh6": Stockfish 9 finds Qd3 in 6 seconds at a higher score, and at 7 seconds with winning score. (I have an 8-core machine with 6-piece EGTB with 8 GB of memory allocated for the engine.) Without the 6-piece EGTB, it finds it even faster: 1 second to even more significantly winning score (and yes, I cleared the cache and restarted the engine).
Queen to D3 was a beautiful move. It totally paralyzes black for at least a few moves. Getting multiple checks and tempos, and just control the action. Games like this is what makes chess such a beautiful game
I’m far from a world class chess player, but I found the move and it was my instinct to do that when I’m in that position. Thank you for the chessucation!
2:00 Your dog seems to have forgotten how to run.
the fact that he pays no attention to his dog spazzing out right behind him is hilarious.