Detroit Pistons 2024-25 Depth Chart Predictions
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I’m starting Ivey at the 2, THJr if Ivey’s shot isn’t falling after a significant sample size. Beasley is hands down the worst defender on the team, maybe in the entire league and adds absolutely NOTHING if his shot isn’t falling.
Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if Ivey started either
@@Organic_Lindo I was just saying the same thing to someone
Ivey is starting. Ausar needs to come off the bench until he gains some kind of jumper. People have to stop treating Ivey like he can't shoot at all. Even as streaky as he's been he's coming into his 3rd season a better 3pt shooter than Cade was coming into his 3rd year. I'm going to keep saying Detroit most important evaluation is finding out if Cade and Ivey can play together. I get the PG situation but that's why you stagger. The only way to find out is to start them together and finish them together. The starting Lineup should be:
Cade, Ivey, Fontecchio, Harris, and Duren. This lineup has 3 shot creators and it can space the floor. You cannot play 4 on 5 on offense in today's NBA.
Bold prediction: Ivey will average 19 ppg 4 asts 4 rebs 46% FG 37% 3pt.
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I like THJ as a player but I just can’t forget when I saw Giannis jump over his head like that I just can’t get it out of my memory
It's a damn shame that after this FULL off-season we STILL don't have a DEFINITIVE Starting 5🤦🤦🤦
I agree with this I think Tim will get traded at the deadline and Bobi gets minutes until the second unit .. Ron will be the back up guard and Bobi plays the 3
Ausar shoots 18% from deep I don’t think he’s going to fix
Wasn't it 28% towards the 2nd half of the season.
So did Michael Jordan, improving someone’s shooting is one of the easiest fixes in basketball, there’s way too many examples of players becoming better shooters
@@jerryalexander8803 3pt shootings wasn't required as much then, and team played more bully ball and inside scoring. now everything is behind the line 3pt shots. Not saying it can not work but it took MJ 5 season to get near 28% 3pt shoot and 11 seasons to get to 42% 3pt shoot. . So how long are you expecting us to wait on AUSAR to get to 38-40% 3pt shoot?
@@dbuck2862 my comment has nothing to do with if it was required or not it has to do with you can improve your 3pt shooting if you work at it and there’s tons of examples to go off of I just mentioned Jordan, but let me give you a more recent name since that’s important to you, Jimmy Butler shot 18% from 3 his rookie year, is that more recent enough for you?? Okay Cool.. peace ✌🏾
If they use Ivey the way you like, they might as well trade him. I truly don't believe Beasley is going to be consistent enough to start.
Fair enough not gonna disagree
They definitely should trade him, yes.
@@scottwickett1273 why
Ivey, Cade, Harper, (?? Rebound, Physacal D Spot-Up Shooting, sufficient post scoring), Duran - 4 and 5 ideally switch spots with a 6,11 Center. If you find the missing 4 or 5 spot and develop outside shooting from Cade and Ivey (45% each) - you are talking Over 50% season and possibly Play-Offs.
That starting lineup gonna give up 120+ a night to playoff teams
Looking at it though all the lineups gonna be horrible defensively
Ausar cant be everywhere 🤦🏽♂️
I don’t believe Ron Holland will play in the league full time. I could be very wrong but I think he needs more strength to bang with NBA players the way he likes to play. I’d guess Fontecchio will be the backup 3 and Stew will be the back up 4 with Reed as the backup 5.
Not bad, but that means no THJ
@@JohnBryson-zc7edare you going with a 9 player rotation or adding Sasser to the mix?
Hi, thanks for the video. Before getting into details, I'll refer to 2001-2002. Detroit brought in several players, that plugged holes in the roster. Nobody was brought in to "raise the floor." (guys who, although they have no future with the Pistons, can help us win now, as well as show the youngsters how to do it.) Such common sense resulted in a championship a few years later. (Bringing in guys who plug holes, not bringing in guys, to raise the floor.)
The Pistons made exactly 2 moves that helped them, since the new guys arrived (GM & then coach), drafting Klintman, who can help shore up pf - immediately; and signing Reed, who can both further shore up pf, and do well as our backup center.
Harris? Not big nor athletic enough to play at pf, too slow at sf. Can he fit into a unit that is otherwise good on D - yes, but it is not needed. We'd do better with Reed and Klintman sharing the pf minutes, while Thompson and Fontecchio (or Holland) take turns at sf. (I prefer it be Holland over Fontecchio.)
Fontecchio at pf is a disaster, again not the right stuff to defend the pf position.
Stewart has zero role, other than as a depth player in case of foul trouble on our bigs. On offense, he continually fails to do enough to draw defensive attention, resulting in our offense being jammed up. On D, Stewart is a total failure at providing helpside D at the rim.
I like Beasley, I watched him extensively last season. He is solid as a rock on those 3's, and while his defense is not great, he generally holds his own well enough to make all those 3's stand up. Still, we are just not lacking in guards. Moore, the guy we got in that deal that also netted the Klintman pick, is a very fine player who should certainly get minutes over Beasley, as well as Hardaway Jr. Not saying that Moore should be in the rotation, just pointing out how easily we can find shooting guards better than the two we traded for (Beasley, Hardaway Jr.)
A few rotations:
(yes, Ivey is starting in the first two, the last joker who moved him out of the starting unit, you might have noted, is long gone. If our new coach does not start Ivey, might as well immediately start searching for the next coach.)
start: Sasser, Ivey, Cade, Thompson, Duren (the 5 who should have been starting last season)
bench: point by committee (Jenkins, Cade, Sasser, Ivey), Moore, Holland, Klintman, Reed
left out of top 11) Harris, Beasley, Hardaway Jr, Stewart, Evbuomwan (not sure if he is still on team, though nba.com still lists him on our roster.)
We currently have 15 of 15 full roster spots filled. Of the 3 2-way slots, I know Jenkins has 1, Evbuomwan possibly a second, and the 3rd is vacant for sure.
A second rotation:
start: Cade, Ivey, Holland, Harris, Duren (giving Holland the start over Thompson, since we don't know if Thomson will be fully ramped up by start of regular season.)
bench: Sasser, Beasley, Thompson, Klintman, Reed
This second rotation is more conventional, conforming more toward the current "group think." Conforming though in no way makes it better.
One more. This 3rd rotation goes all out on surrounding Cade with decent outside shooters. (note, even Reed does ok on 3's, though at a low volume.)
start Cade, Beasley, Harris, Klintman, Reed
bench: Sasser, Ivey, Holland, Thompson, Duren.
There is a strong argument that Paul Reed is better than Duran or Steward. He started many games on a deep payoff team or otherwise played good minutes as backup. What is really ridiculous is proposing to start Holland on the 2nd unit, instead of playing Reed (with Fontecio at 3 and Steward at 4). If there is an argument that Holland is anywhere close to contributing to winning at the level that Reed would I would be all ears.
Tanking teams play the most recent top ten pick no matter how bad the player.
Reed is basically Stew with a less proven 3%. He only started when Embid was unavailable. I'm not sure I would call that starting for a deep team.
Sadly Duren might not be the second best center on the team. But he sells tickets and jerseys so he might as well start.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 You are right, Duren is the third-best center on this team.
I completely disagree. Holland is G leaguing it bro. Simone should backup ausar. Stew backing up 4/5, Reed backup 4/5, Ivey backup 1/2, Timmy backup 2/3. Sass 3rd backup 1/2
I could see that being most teams have a 9 man rotation.
People don’t realize how good Cunnigham is. Could lead them to the playoffs.
I have the same lineup for 1st and 2nd. I was going back and forth on Stewart and Reed at center in the 2nd lineup
Also in the 1st lineup I was looking at Ivey at point and Cade at shooting guard. Cade can be a scorer while Ivey facilitate.
I can get with this. I think 1, 3, 4 and 5 is who I have as well. The only real question mark to me is the 2 spot. Thats because I dont think it matters. JB is gonna have a rotation in there and Ivey is gonna backup Cade. So if Ivey starts then he would come outa few minutes in to the game, and then come in for Cade. If Beasley start then Ivey gonna come in to relive him and then slide over to PG when Cade goes out.
Fonteccio isn't that bad at defense and a superior offensive player. I'm guessing he's starting over Ausar. Just my random opinion.
I could see that too! I Simone is a great player
@@PistonsTalk Both should start.
Daniss Jenkins? Tula Smith? Honesyly? None of these 3 lineups are scary. That’s why I think there’s more to come.
Not really sure if they will be used everyday. Could get some minutes this season if injuries happen
I agree with everything but the bench guards. I think it will be Sasser and Ivey. I think hardaway will be used more like a serviceable mentor rather than a guaranteed rotation player.
Sasser at the backup 1 ivey at the 2 hardaway at the 3 Simone at the 4 Reed at the 5.....
Sasser can't play point guard, FOH with that stupid shit.
For me THJ over Beasley.
You are Italian? You sound American.
Yes, both of my parents are! I get that all the time.
I made my own depth chart two days ago and yours is absolutely identical..... love it 🙂
This was my thoughts for the rotation. I think the main sifference that must be made is ivey has the keys to the 2nd unit. Last year he didnt start but he also seemed to still be playing off. Ball. The starting lineup has much better shooting and shooters for cade, while also getting ausar in there to take every defensive match up. 2nd unit ivey can get rolling with the ball in his hands and you play cade and ivey together more throughout the game. Ive hward the thoughts of start them and then stagger. Which i agree for the most part but they gotta get minutes together more importantly than starting. For those saying ifnivey isnt starting just trade him, why? He doesnt have an appreciated value. Whatever you trade him for by himself or even with stew, youre gonna look for someone like him off the bench
THJ will be the back up 3. Ivey back up 2. Sasser the back up 1. Holland might be borderline g league or 3rd string 3, as he develops he's still raw.
Hey man that’s why I love making these videos I welcome everyone opinions 🔥
Sasser is not a point guard, stop it.
I agree with everything but I don’t have Ron in rotation. At least not to start the season. Second unit I have Simone at the 3, Beef at 4, and BBall Paul at 5.
Only thing if change is Holland on third string because i believe he'll spend a lot of time in g-league. And ha e Jenkins be the backup pg with ivy.
Ausar isn't good enough yet to be a starter, you lose offense with IVEY on bench and Beasley starting as SG.. I can see them having Tobias at SF, Stewart at PF, Duren C, IVEY, and CADE.. I also can see them swaping STEWART for Fonteccio at SF... They have a lot of back up C.
Second Unit: Hardaway, Sasser, Beasley, STEWART or fonteccio, IVEY may get time at PG with this unit... Ausar/Holland.... If they plan on trying to have winning season AUSAR/Holland will get limited minutes until the can shoot. They may need time in G LEAGUE..
If Ivey comes off the bench, that means he isn't in the long term plans. Now I get why you want the shooting of Beasley around Cade. He's either the guy who is the future of the back court with Cade or he's not. And as a top 5 pick who already had to put up with some stuff last season, if this happens that means he's out. So you would have to sell while he still has potential. So what are your plans for his future at that point? And then even looking deeper into it... if Ausar and Holland are basically sharing the same position, what happens there? Holland is Langdon's pick. Ausar isn't. That's more drama. It's not exactly Langdon's fault as he inherited a lot of this lineup, but what this insinuates to me is he's going to soon move Weaver's lottery picks. I think either this has to change (and after that somehow work out) or if it doesn't then the team will see some major roster changes to come.
Bro you preaching.
Since the JB presser I got Ivey starting but they can sub Ivey out for Beasley around the 8 minute mark and bring Ivey back in to run the 2nd unit in the 2nd quarter. And ideally once Tobias contract is up Holland is your starting 3 and Ausar is the starting 4. Just got to hope at least one of them can shoot a decent clip from 3.
That's what my thoughts were for a lineup.
Why do fans think a player who's not a star has to be traded. We need good depth. If it takes and extra year for Ivey to start it's not like he cost us a spot in the playoffs.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 And, failing that, why can't he be a bench player indefinitely? That's the most likely outcome, after all.
Starting 5. Cuningham, Beasley, Fontecchio, Harris, Duren. Backup, Ivey, Hardaway, Thompson, Klintman, Stewart.
that'd be some shit defence lmao durens defence even sucks
worst i seen posted by far
I have THJ over Beasley but most favor Malik. Bobi over Reed could happen but it probably takes half a season to get the coaches to trust him. Bobi has been very impressive.
@@sdadssdadds Yea this one is fucking garbage, only a total moron would suggest it.
I dont see any problem with that starting 5, these fans act like Ausar is the greatest defender of all time lol the more shooting around Cade the better 🤷🏿♂️
Can you show 2023/24 chart to compare please
I didn’t do one last year but I could look to see what one looks like to compare to
i agree with the starters, the second unit i have paul reed as backup centre, also holland in third unit with sasser and klintman and have simone at SF of second unit and stew at pf in second unit with reed at C. Third unit i have metu or whoever other big as centre.
Cade, Ivey, Tech, Harris and JD
This is the worst of all possible worlds: this lineup would give up 200 PPG and lose 65+ games again.
Any lineup that excludes both Stew and Ausar is fucking stupid and guaranteed to fail.
Defense is a thing that exists, why are you so stupid?
Or is it just that you think they are tanking for the worst record on purpose again?
This team still only look like a 25 win max team
That’s not a good lineup at all .. I believe it’s safe to say Cade not a pg .. he’s a forward with decent play making ability. I will feel aafer starting sasser amd seeing how much he developed . cade should play the 3 and play more off ball
I don't like the Holland pick, although he has NBA skills, I think Dillingham was a better fit now. Holland & Ausar are too much alike. 😐
I watched almost every game last season, and the pistons 3 best players are Cade, Stew, and Simone. At least one of them is going to start with Cade. I would trade Duren and Ivey before I traded Stewart.
Fans love Duren but he's not currently a good basketball player. Hopefully he takes a giant step forward because he probably doesn't have much trade value.
Lol stew is not a top 3 player on the team
@@ghettogov6161 Yes he is. Stew and Fontecchio are absolutely Cade's two best teammates, and it's not particularly close.
@@scottwickett1273 you're doing some really strange math. Tech you can make an argument for but not really stew. I like both players tho and they are solid to good role players. JD is a top 10 rebounder and a walking double double still on a rookie deal
Duren is undoubtedly better than stew...
Metu isn't a Piston anymore.
I know that they haven’t updated their system yet
he should be, the versatility w stew, reed, coulda been metu as well they all could play 4/5 and metu looked nice w da squad ngl
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@@NT-lz5ez I'm from Pontiac, so speaking from experience. Dude makes 40 boring videos a week...watching the grass grow is more interesting 💯
@@NT-lz5ez Sports are OK, but speculating about things that aren't going to happen ( 90% of the time ) is not FUN. 🛹🛹🛹✌
You deleted my comment ....stale as a Ritz cracker that sat out for two years ...
I think your assessment is pretty good although i think offensive wise i start Fonteccio at SF depending on match ups
My question is if you at some pont you have Ausar, Ron both shooting 3 point shots well they can defend score rebound, could you then start both at sg, sf which ever is natural position for them. To me having Cade to run point with Ron and Ausar for Cade to dish to score or shoot a 3, them already being great defenders would be ideal in the near future, they would be a deady 3 combination in my opinion, but do you or anyone see that as a possibility?
I think most assume that is the long term plan. Although they could also move down a spot so we can start another guard like Ivey.
@pheralanpathfinder4897 yeaaaaaa but having a guard taller more defensive and can shoot 3's consistently a no brainer, but we'll see
Cade ivey asuar tobias duren should start need to trade sasser and 3 second for moody
Absolutely agree with this depth chart till now. It's the one that makes the most sense
good chart exactly how i would have it
Bobby
Ivey will start
Ausar has 0 offensive creation and is horrible off ball because of terrible shooting splits from 3 and ft line also isn’t ideal to run with a non floor spacing big like Duren
Ivey sucks, and therefore should not start unless you are trying to lose on purpose.
All of that is also true of Duren.
I don’t think Beasley is starting over Ivey, I wouldn’t start a guy with a one year deal over Ivey and stunt Ivey’s growth for a guy that’s gonna be leaving to play for a contender in a year
Why would Ivey start? Are you trying to lose on purpose?
@@scottwickett1273 I think I already stated why Ivey should start in my original comment, I’m not sure if I can make it any simpler for you to understand 🤷🏿♂️.. peace ✌🏾
THIS 24-25 PISTONS TEAM IS INCREDIBLY DEEEP! DEFINITELY UNDERRATED
Most teams have more than five NBA players on the roster. What looks like depth simply reveals the extreme lack in recent years because the cap was tied up in dead money
Start sasser and cunningham and play whoever is making shots and defending with Cunningham in the 4th. Sasser has the skillset to take pressure off of Cade handling the ball, playmaking and scoring
Does Cade want a second on ball player?
Sasser sucks and is tiny, there is no way he starts unless you are trying to lose on purpose.
Fontecchio is a very good wing defender.
Ivey is starting
Ausar can play on ball (this too will help with spacing until Fred gets his shot going)
Duren is a monster
Cade will be MVP by 3rd contract
I still day if it were up to me im taking Cade, Ivey, Ausar, RHII, & Duren and we are 1988/89 UNLV Running Rebs. Rebound and run, run, run.
Thats all i got
That starting lineup sets a new losing record
Duren sucks and Ivey shouldn't start.
I completely disagree. Holland is G leaguing it bro. Simone should backup ausar. Stew backing up 4/5, Reed backup 4/5
Malik Beasley career numbers 11 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.3 apg, 38.5 fg3%, 42.5 fg% how is he a better guard than Ivey? If he starts Beasley over Ivey, the coaching staff, we will be in trouble again. Ivey can get to free throw line better than anybody on the pistons.
Of course he is better than Ivey, everyone is.
@@scottwickett1273 not you again, how many times I have to teach you about basketball.
My starting 5 is Cunningham, Ivey, fontechio, Harris, and Duren.
You hate defense and want to lose 68 games again, got it.
@@scottwickett1273 I believe the coach will have this team playing decent defense.
@@yashawan_judah1392 Not with that lineup he won't!
@@scottwickett1273 fontechio and Harris are decent defenders and Cade, Ivey, and duren can improve. In this modern NBA I rather have a starting 5 that can score and spread the floor.
@@yashawan_judah1392 Harris is not that at all, and Duren is a dumpster fire on that end at the most important defensive position. (Ivey is horrible too.)
Lineups which exclude both Stew and Ausar are moronic dogshit and would lead to them losing 68 games again.
Detroit NEEDS to get rid of Stuart. Reed will start most games. He has a lot more experience on a good team. Plus, he is one of the best defenders in the game per 40 minutes. He will stop all the traffic to the rim that Durant doesn't. He will lead the team in bock shots, be either 1 or 2 in rebounds on the team. Plus, he is a 37 or 38% 3-point shooter. But Klnlgman will get a little attention during the start of the year. He will be playing 18-20 minutes by the end of the year.
Reed is better than Duren but Stew is a better shooter than Reed so far.
Stew isn't the problem.
Stew is better than Reed AND Duren.