A High Efficiency Air Conditioner WON'T Save You Money
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- What SEER Rating or Efficiency Air Conditioner Is Best? In this video I talk about which is better, a low SEER rating air conditioner or a high SEER AC. I explain why a two stage, variable speed, and inverter unit may not be the best option even though they are the most efficient. I shed light on a few HVAC secrets while we go and also cover a popular question: Is it worth buying a very efficient air conditioner if the upfront cost will heavily outweigh the energy savings? We dive into that in this video!
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Good video young man! Been in the trade for 36 years and this is the real deal NO sales pitch and I’m not even asking for a thumbs up 👍. Inverter technology & ECM motors are superior to traditional single speed compressors and PSC motors with regards to comfort, period no questions asked. They don’t break down as much for one simple fact they don’t have or need a contactor and they don’t have the Jolt of lock rotor amps at start up. Contactors get pitted and can single phase an expensive compressor. With that said the real saving is NOT with SEER but rather with airflow and duct design. Most homes leak air out of the ducting into attics, basements & crawl spaces by as much as 50% and air delivery is reduced by 40% to 50% due to improperly sized ducting, return air grills & cheap highly restrictive supply registers. I can get much better comfort and energy saving out of an existing system regardless of SEER rating by simply 1. redesigning the ducting 2. Fixing or replacement of ducting and registers & grills and commissioning the existing mechanical equipment. The challenge is most technicians don’t know or don’t want to or are too lazy to educate themselves on airflow measurements and static pressure readings and how to interpret the information. 🎤
Thank you! I am guilty of not being interested enough in static pressure and airflow readings... I will need to educate myself more on it. But thank you very much for taking the time to explain inverter technology and the real cause of loss of efficiency. You spelled it out wonderfully and I hope many will see your comment! A thumbs up from me for sure! 👍👍👍😄
Wish you worked in my area!
Good video (I'm a HVAC engineer since 1972). An influence not emphasized enough: utility cost. In our area [Phoenix], which electric company supplies your power makes a HUGE diff. Broadly speaking, in all the analyses I've done, the most efficient units come with such a high initial cost penalty that they really don't pay back in reasonable terms. Incentives by either the power company or tax breaks don't really offset the premium costs; they're marketing tricks (and often the utilities are allowed to raise their rates overall to offset incentives). While I agree that the higher SEER of staged equipment is negated at high temps, the amount of time spent at high temps is much lower than you might think. The vast number of hours of operation are at a fairly low part load, at which point the staging is saving a lot. However, the push for higher efficiency is relentless, so the "new" concepts and tricks will expand with time. BUT, the most cost effective HVAC improvement: ceiling fans. If you have a hunnerd bucks to spend on saving money, spend the first $98 on ceiling fans, and adjust the stat upward. Comfort is about 90% the feeling of air flow on the skin.
As SEER goes up the % saved becomes less per unit, about 3-4% each unit. If you pay for more repairs it negates any savings. Duct work has to be perfect or SEER can be cut in half.
Thank you for explaining it simply and plainly AD! Much appreciated!
I’m a 40+ year HVAC&R tech. We were installing 2 stage air conditioners years ago they maintain comfort level much better and were super efficient (for the time) overall operating costs were about half, but at about twice the price or more. I sold them mostly on comfort. The one in our home lasted nearly 30 years the 90%+ furnace made over 30 years
We can't run the ac in California. Saving alot of money 💰
Know the difference between the Titanic and California? The Titanic had its lights on when it went down..
@Monte Glover
Thank you for sharing! Both of them making it to 30 years is really good! It's always nice to hear from people who not only have experience with the units but also had it in their homes and saw first hand how good or bad, inefficient or efficient they were. So thank you for stopping by and leaving a comment good sir, have a wonderful weekend!!
@@lnk4328 omg I shouldn't laugh but that's funny
A factor not mentioned here is variable electric rates. Where I live, there are four tiers of pricing, with the top tier being about $.15 per KW hour. In the summer months, any AC would spend a lot of time running at or near the highest speeds and when this happens, I would be consuming at the top tier rate, so when the electricity is most expensive, the AC is working about near its full delivery, so the high efficiency units are not saving that much money because they have to run in higher speeds. During the spring and fall, I am usually not using much electricity to be in the the highest price tier, so a multiple speed unit can be more efficient, but it is doing so during periods where I am paying less for electricity to begin with, so the savings are not as much as they could be if I were on a fixed rate pricing. People with tiered rate pricing should study how many hours their current system spends in the higher tier pricing. If the units are running at full speed much of the summer and the energy is being purchased at the top tier pricing, the savings will not be so great as the on line calculators suggest and they may never break even on the return on their investment.
We put in a 16 seer single stage Diakin. Only need to run the AC a few months of the year most of the time, and also it came with a 12 year warranty.
Since when run heat more than cool we do have an inverter furnace, I love how silent the furnace is, you barely notice when its kicked on. If I lived in Florida probably an inverter AC would be worth it for comfort alone.
Wish i'd seen this before I installed this trane high efficiency unit for 11K. My bills INCREASED this july. My humidity is also alot worse - and I live in a desert. So much resentment.
Just replaced my ECM blower motor (control module went out) and startup capacitor on my outdoor unit this summer. Saved myself a crap load of money simply by having the guys to dig into and diagnose something new rather than opt for a near 14 thousand dollar replacement I was quoted. Always take time to decide if repair or replacement is more cost effective over time!
I always enjoy your videos. Great info and low BS. Thank you 😊
Thank you Michael!! Glad you like videos. Have an amazing weekend! 👍👍
“Estimates and guesses”
Guesstimates! Hey buddy just checking in and appreciate your diligence (reading 100’s of comments) and research and development you put into every video! A customer lucky enough to acquire your services is very fortunate 🤙🏻😎
Haha there you go! That's the word I should have used. Thank you for stopping by James!! Glad you liked the video, may you have a marvelous weekend followed by an even better week! 👍👌🤙
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing!
This is good info and confirms what I was thinking.
Great advice, thank you!
Thanks again for this information.
Love an honest man.
Thank you Larry! Appreciate you stopping by, have a fantastic weekend!!
We bought a 22 seer2 unit that also runs off of solar. It was manufactured by EG4, and I like it. Not real sure how much it's going to reduce the bill, but we are getting a second one because the house's central went out, and it'd be easy to cool and heat the majority of the house with these minisplits. One reason we haven't been able to tell exactly how much we saved is we were still running this behemoth 2 ton central unit that was dying. If you have solar and can afford it, I recommend it because of how much less the dying unit was having to work on some very cold nights. We live in Mississippi, so heating isn't as much of an issue as cooling. We will see this summer just how much it can save a person. I've read that minisplits can last a long time, so I think it will work out.
This guy know what he talking about!. I’m agree 👍
I agree. We learned. Sick of computer fancy crap. It does cost more when it breaks. And I look and scour the Internet and peoples comments for everything today that is costly because I try to get some thing that is not going to break and yet save me enough money at the same time.
insulation, windows, and doors are much more important than the seer of a unit.
nice video keep it up mr jay
Thank you good sir! May you have a marvelous weekend!!
Good video lm with you older is better martin from houston tx what did you thinking about new refrigerate and old r 22 tnks I watch your videos a lot tnks for you advice
Can you do some videos on water purification/softening systems?
Where I live in Sweden the cooling is only needed for a couple of weeks per year while heating is required most of the year. I’m currently studying to be an HVAC engineer or technician not sure which it would be closer to in US terms. In recent years the number of heaters have really increased a lot since using regular electric heaters or oil for heating is getting way too expensive.
After careful analysis I came to the same conclusion regarding the HVAC issue. However what I can't find is info on a heatpump water heater over a conventional electric water heater. Do you have any advice on them?
I had to ask myself ; Where does energy get lost or wasted on low efficiency units? And one answer is in heating mode de-ice cycle, new units can de-ice in minimized time frame. And of course the slower fan speeds equals less air friction .
But I also saw fixed speed units with excellent ratings, at the right temperature, one reason there are no losses caused by the inverter circuit board itself.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts Nathan! Have an awesome weekend!
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Hello 👋 good looking buddy so good to hear your voice ❤️ 😊 Jay little Arnold is taking in every word you say. Well I'm happy 😊 to say he is doing really well lately I can't believe the difference my vet is impressed by his improvement I took him Thursday to the doctor she checked him out and gave me a grin. So I knew before she said anything it was going to be good..I'm doing pretty good too for a ol dude I have been working on my jaguar I'm restoring man parts for those cars are as high as a Porsche or Rolls-Royce is what they told me when I got another key made for it..I've got a lot of work to do to it but going to take my time...well tell everyone I said hello and I love you all very much your like the son I never had buddy..God bless 🙌 you ❤️ all my dear precious friends..
Aloha David!! Haha good that I was able to not put Arnold to sleep with my monologue. 😄 And it's very good to hear that he is feeling really great! Sounds like you are both healthy and well and the Jaguar is keeping you busy. 😅 I am sure once you are done with it, it will be even better than in the past. That's wonderful! May the Lord continue to bless you with peaceful and fulfilled days! Be grateful and happy for everything. With a positive attitude things tend to just go better overall. Thank you for the comment and the greetings, blessings to you as well my friend, love and Aloha from the islands!!! 🤙🤙😎👨👩👦🌴🌴🌞⛱🦎
@@WordofAdviceTV thanks buddy 👍..what I'm going to do with the jaguar is well they are a unibody construction you know they don't have a solid steel frame under them like the old cars once did I think 2011 the Lincoln Town car and grand marquis and crown vic was the last year ford made a real car in my thoughts of it and gm quit in 96 I think it was with the caprice and Buick road master so I'm in the process of making a solid steel perimeter chassis for it and that way it will be so much stronger and rigid..I'm thinking about going with a very high grade aluminum because some of it is stronger than steel I've heard so it's a work in progress to make it and for it not to cut down on the ground clearance etc. 👍 I think I've got it down pat..lol. I love working with metal and wood etc. It's a 99 jaguar vanden plas xj8 it's the longest one of those cars I wish I could send you some pictures of it and me and Arnold I recently downloaded snap chat but haven't figured it out good yet but I'm working on it my good man..
You are so spot on with this video. If money isn't an issue, go for the highest seer you can afford. But... good luck with the replacement costs of failed parts which will negate the energy savings your begging about to your friends and neighbors.
*bragging*
Yup.. It's all a matter of perspective. 😅 Thank you for stopping by and leaving a comment Alan, have a phenomenal weekend!!
you act like everyone who has these are going to be breaking down all the time, not true, talk about sensationalizing!
@@karmendimas5274 If your selling them they're great. As for the consumer, having to replace fan motors and boards that are 3 times the price of single stage units they're over engineered units for people who are looking to have bragging rights Stick to topics that you personally have history on like I do. Multiple homes with these democrat mandate pieces of crap.
@@aland680 LOL, IS THAT ALL YOU GOT?? LOL TRY HARDER,
👍👍👍 well said
Thank you Harry!! 👍👍👍 May you have another fantastic weekend good sir!!
Love your comparison. Kinda like having to pay $1200 for an oil change on a Maserati! Enjoyable ride till you need to maintain or repair!
SEER is figured over a range of operating conditions. EER is wide open full output at one operating condition. Both are BTU per hour divided by watts. SEER numbers were not on units a few decades ago. EER numbers were.
So my 1985 AC that is 8.5 EER is not magically twice as costly as a 17 SEER unit when both are at full output.
A 4 year old 12000 btuh mini split i have is decent 25 seer and a great 18 eer rating. There were lower cost units with rhe same 25 seer rating and a lessor 14 to 16 eer rating. My 18 eer unit i purposely wanted because it often is used at full output.
In automobile analogy SEER us like a combined City highway idling traffic jam MPG rating. EER is like driving at 85mph as salesman and wanting to know that MPG rating.
Modern AC units are more efficient at lighter Cooling loads. Old ones are usually bang bang control. Either on or off.
An ancient R22 AC unit often lasts many decades. Newer units run higher pressures with r410a etc. The coils are thinner so less robust. The inverter boards and electronics are lese robust to power surges. I friends vacation cabin has a 1969 R22 3 ton Ac unit. I put a new fan motor and set of compressor wires on it a few years ago..
I’ve read seer is basically btu/seer. 60,000btu/15seer = 4,000 watts per hour to run. My new 15 seer 5 ton heat pump is about 800 watts less than my old 1999 TRANE unit to run per hour. Doesn’t sound like a whole lot…though my old unit was a 4 ton and pulled 4800 watts when on.
Yup.. Like I said in the video, if the goal is to save money, then may as well just get a "builder grade" air conditioner.
@@WordofAdviceTV goal is to save money on the install and then save money over the years. 😂 the install I’m pretty sure I got hosed as the ac went out this past July 4th weekend and the only company that was opened of course charged a couple grand more than the local smaller place in town. Was shocked to find out I could have paid $1100 less and gotten an American Standard 16 seer vs this Sure Comfort by Rheem at $1100 more and was 15 seer. Amazing how when you’re cooking in the house you get desperate. Love your videos man!!
@leuCustomKnives Oh man... Sorry to hear about that experience. Yikes! There are special cases and you seem to have drawn that short stick. Well then, may you at least stay super cool my friend!! Have a fabulous weekend as well! Followed by an even more awesome week!
@@WordofAdviceTV either way I got financing from this large ac company when others couldn’t get it done. My house is definitely COLD now 😂😂 my master bedroom especially is freezing. Thanks Jay! (Hopefully I spelled your name right. Have a great weekend and coming week as well!
Agreed 100%👍👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏
Glad to hear you agreed! Thank you for stopping by Carlos, have a fabulous weekend! 🤜🤛🤙👌👍
I'll be replacing the fan motor on my 1998 a/c soon. The prices of the motors are all over the place. I want a brand new one. How do I make sure I'm getting a new one, not a refurbished one?
Before buying you could reach out to the seller and just ask them directly. That would be the surefire way.
@@WordofAdviceTV Thank you. I suppose that even on Amazon the seller would need to answer. I was just worried about not getting a truthful answer from them. I suppose I need to take the chance, and hope they are being truthful. Thanks for doing what you do. I've watched so many of your videos! Next up: troubleshooting my refrigerator. I'll be going over your videos about that. The price of new ones is astronomical!
I am puting in a new furnace and ac system in. The hvac guy will put in a 95% efficient unit for only $500 more. Than the 80% efficiency unit. What is the best way to go as I hear the high efficiency units are much more expensive to service?
Yea it saves money
Very good !
I'm going towards an inverter (only for me)
I will not install one!
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May it serve you well and have none of the problems others talk about!! 😄
@@WordofAdviceTV that's why I wouldn't install them for anyone but me.
It doesn't matter what the SEER rating is if it breaks down all the time. Whatever you might save on electric bills will be rendered moot when you constantly have to pay for repairs!
I can only agree with that statement! 👍
lol, you act like EVERYONE's system is 'breaking down' lol, not true! so yes, there is a benefit to those higher seer ratings
Maybe you know the answer to this. I have a backflow preventor pvc pipe 1 inch, I want to add a 1 inch brass ball valve. I read that even if you use tape for the theads these still tend to leak. I also saw other guys use teflon tape with pipe dope on top to stop any leaks in other places. This is the way I am thinking of going. Do you have advice?
Have you tried using a sharkbite ball valve fitting? One like this: amzn.to/3TTXATT
They work great!! Just read through some of the reviews.
Otherwise, yes. I would do 5 revolutions at the end of the pipe and 10 revolutions further in on the threads with the teflon tape to make kind of a cone shape. Along with pipe dope it should hold. 👍
@@WordofAdviceTV Interesting on the sharkbite. It is odd that it talks about cpvc. My pipe is pvc for potable but I think would work the same. Plumbers are not big fans of sharkbite connectors so I kind of avoided them. It may be an alterative. I would also have to connect to a backflow preventor and there is no sharkbite for that male to female connection but for the valve it would work.
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Yes, it would work the same. There are mixed feelings about sharkbite. 😅 Some say they never had problems and absolutely love them and others had a few that leaked and avoid them like the plague. I guess I have worked with more people that loved them so personally I am not against them. If they are put on right and none of the teeth get bent, it won't leak. But good luck with the repair!! May it go problem free for you my friend!
All these big wig fancy HVAC techs on RUclips always recommend the expensive brands
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Thank you Theo!! 👍👍👍
well if you do not use it, you save alot..after that..how comfortable do you want to be.
Haha that's a good point. 😄 That reminds me of the joke about Jaguars, the reason all of them have low mileage is because they spend more time in the repair shop than out of it.
ROFLMBO They think the degree means they will never do normal labor ever again. The manager handled that so well. Most would go off on them. Not only did he not go off but he showed the degree holder that he himself is not above manual labor.
Love that joke at the end. My experience is that people with college degrees tend to be dumber than people without them.
It is unfortunate but sometimes it really does seem like that's the truth! 🤦♂️
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." (Cornelius Tacitus) I think this correlation also works between corrupt regulators and manufacturers . . .the more regulations bureaucrats make, the more opportunities for corruption by bribes they can expect from companies that are struggling to comply with the regulations.
Very sound reasoning! Thank you for shedding light on the dark side of regulations!
I’m buying a Bosch when my house is ready!
Sounds like a great choice! May it serve you well! 👍👍👍
I can remember when "seersucker" was a thin striped fabric. There are seer "suckers" alright, but in 2022 they are something different. Enjoy replacing that x13 blower motor.
Lol thank you for the extra bit of trivia Sam! 😅
I recently replaced my 35 year old PSC blower motor with an X13 and I love it! It's much quieter (slowly ramps up and back down), it's constant torque and is about 25% more efficient so it should pay for itself in a few years. Also, the cost was around $295 and that wasn't that much over a PSC (3/4 HP) motor. Best money I ever spent on my home!
i replaced my A/C about i guess 15 or more years ago and it cut my electric bill in half, i bought the exteneted warranty and had 1 break down after 1 1/2 years old and it covered everything after that had two break downs after each hurricne, first one the unit went under water and was lucky condo insurance paid for that replacement and the next time i had to replace the fan motor upstairs, my unit is an American Standard 18.6 seer and i like the unit a lot, i hope writing this does not jinx me :) i paid $3500 instaalled with warranty long time ago, i am dsue for a new unit soon i think i want to go up in seer again
@@butchs2337 -- when you finally replace it I would recommend you go with one that uses R32. It's not a blend and it's patents free.
no more glasses.
YES! It's been wonderful! 😄
When buying an AC unit look only at the EER rating, and only consider single stage units. SEER ratings are useless and don't represent actual performance despite government claims. HSPF ratings on heat pumps are also pretty much meaningless and actual economy pretty much follows along with the EER rating on most units. For minisplits I recommend the pre-packaged inverter units. They have more problems but are pretty much the only reasonable option for most people.
I live in a cold climate where the government doesn't care about me. If you live in California or Florida where these SEER and HSPF ratings are targeted for then they may be more useful.
SEER is ... Ratio not Rating. Can you read, it's on the label.