When is a KTM RC8 an RC12?
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2018
- KTM's RC8 superbike wasn't necessarily the success the company was looking for. Now, one enterprising Johannesburg KTM dealer has shoe-horned the latest 1290 Super Duke engine into an RC8 chassis and created a bit of a monster. Donovan takes one to the limit at the track.
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It's funny cuz the CEO said that they will not make 200hp racebikes for the streets but they still make a naked bike with 180hp LOL
Haxixe 13 yeh its dumb as hell
Shame to KTM. The real reason is not that the rc8r is to powerfull for the road as the CEO said, it is because the rc8r was not financialy profitable.
The Superduke 1290R makes perfect sense to me every time I ride mine. Mad torque, superbike type of HP (for a V-Twin), comfortable to ride on the road, good handling, and great braking. Also with a unique look. I just wish tires would last longer :-)
their 2 stoke dirtbikes are absolutely insane too
"dangerous". Builds 185HP super duke. Lol ok
"It's too dangerous!!"
*Removes fairing*
"Now we GUCCI!"
Very interesting video! I actually put a 1290 Superduke engine in my RC8r (race bike) back in 2014. I did mine a slightly different way than this... I swapped the 1290 heads over with my RC8r ones. I was then able to use the RC8r loom and airbox (still no electronics...). I also found that cartridge front forks (K-tech) provided a huge front end improvement.
that is dope mate. I dream about a bike like that without electronics.
We all still waiting for the RC690 Sportsbike 🙂
More like RC790. A sportbike with a monocylinder would lack power; against a 600 four-cylinder it would be left far behind.
The twin is producing a lot more power than the mono because it revs higher, and that's what you want in your sportbike.
Charlie Football why wait, they built it in naked form, Husqvarna 701 is a RC690
RC790*
As a Super Duke owner I would love to see KTM make another RC super bike street version. It would be at the top of my list for another bike.
Hey man, I own a KTM SD Gen 3 2021, looking forward to adding a KTM690 SMC R and a KTM RC8 R if I can find one. The performance and looks of all of the KTM line up really lives up to it's slogan - Ready To Race!
That was the best engine sound I've heard in a long time...
This was so awesome, absolutely awesome. Superb stuff as always Donovan!
I know this is some years old, but this is still a dream build. Currently I know of a drag racer/tuner that put a Hyabusa motor in a 07/08 Suzuki GSXR 1000 chassis and added a turbo, that hooks and is incredibly quick.
You guys are making the best motorcycle content.
Great episode, more custom bike episodes please
Great looking racebike
Nice review.
The big guy is super likable, subbed..
Having owned 2 RC8R's I was very disappointed to learn that there would not be a street version of the RC16.
That being said however. One would be foolish to believe that KTM would develop a V4 for motoGP and not allow the engine tech/design to filter down into street legal bikes.
Watch this space...
Matter of time..
Still waiting.
@@agnel47 me too! :( ended up buying and RSV4!
mat mentioned 7/11 gsxrs (see my profile pic) and cbr fireblade swaps. Congrats on elevating to OG Status.
ALL HAIL MAT, THE TRUE HEIR TO MOTORCYCLE ROYALTY.
life long biker here and i decided to stop riding as i was being run over by a truck last weekend...the only reason im still here is full gear but still have extensive injuries...im unsubscribing all my motostuff and it deeply saddens me but i thought if i could get through to one person to gear up or another to give up the two wheels i could save someone from the type of pain i have now
Sorry to hear about your I injuries. I came off a FJR1300 just after Xmas and was unbelievably lucky as all I had was a very bruised hip and felt stiff all over for a couple of weeks. Hope you recover. Like you, I'm very vocal about protective riding gear. I would have had back injuries had I not been wearing an additional back protector under my jacket as I slapped down hard on my back. Wish you all the best from Scotland.
I've been trying to get my friends to get smaller bikes as there seems to be pressure on riders to have the fastest and most aggressive bike possible to be a "real biker": That's why there's so much death and injury... As if there wasn't enough danger on the roads already from other vehicles. I had a 90 mile commute last winter on busy motorways, filtering for miles every day through the slow moving lanes of motorway traffic. Hated every time I did it as the consequences of making a mistake were so grim. When I did my last motorcycle commute I was very aware of how lucky I was to have come through the other side of it unhurt. I don't take safety for granted.
I appreciate that us simple folk know precious little about motorcycle design, but KTM customers and just about everyone else has been salivating over the thought of a 1290 shoehorned into an RC8 package FOR YEARS! 😍😍😍 come KTM!!!!! They could just be cutting out the middle man and developing a V4 on the QT? 🤔😁
Well, unfortunately most folks didn't know about the KTM RC8R Race Spec put out in 25 in 2011 and 25 in 2012, I got one of the very last new ones on the showroom floor. it was 378 lbs full of fuel, and I was friends with Ty Howard, and he put in WSBK spec cams in mine, then EDR tuned it to 176 rwhp, and 96 lbs-ft or 129 newton meters! Here's me on a Friday practice before racing Saturday and Sunday ruclips.net/video/eHLQG2lLJM4/видео.htmlsi=whq17ak_1L9sqhcR Here's my favorite draft pass because my side exhaust exited right side (also Race Specs also only used total of 2 spark plugs, that's easiest way to know plus quick shifter) and was bouncing off pit wall, so Jeff thought I was gonna pass him on right LOL He said it felt like a jet powered Mack Truck blew by him hahahahaha ruclips.net/video/YQkm2TOXZHA/видео.htmlsi=2ZH8Rp9Q4ywpiztC but the real Maestro was Ty Howard himself ruclips.net/video/M87LTVWg6YQ/видео.htmlsi=z-ZWi5tVCajoT8I1 Hope you enjoy
Having owned a RC8 and now owning a Super Duke GT, I was daydreaming one day about doing exactly this. I wanted to put the wonderful Super Duke LC8 in the great frame and chassis of a RC8 and take it to the track. If I had money, I would do it. I do agree the RC8 had no business on the road. It was 100% a Track Monster! I always wanted to track mine, but she was the last of the Orange ones. I had no interest in destroying it with a track day crash.
V-Triple 1500CC RC-3 230BHP 200Nm Torque
If this is the case about RC8 chassis cannot get along with Super Duke engine and electronic assist. How making a Super Duke wear an RC8 fairings and racy triple clamps
whats that smoke in the background??? Land reclamation's?
How about just taking a Superbike and putting rc8 fairings and front end on it ? Wouldn't that be easier?
Damn! This guy knows how to ride, the way he throws his weight kinda blows my mind. If he just cut how carbs and layed off the after shift pints he could be a racer
Bring it back KTM!
Nice bike
How is you guys havent gotten the hell out of SA yet!?
What was all that black smoke outside the racetrack? Are the ANC up to their old hobby of burning tyres?
Get the hell out guys. Come to Australia and set up shop here 😁
My uncle [ Shaun Jubber] is currently living in New Zealand and retired from a crash he is a legend I’m proud to be his nephew
I've heard of people putting RD350 motors into the 3MA and 1KT TZR250 frames. Also 125 and 250 2 stroke frames with thumper motors back in the mid 90s were a thing for Super Single short course racing. There's also a guy on RUclips called duckman vw or some such who's doing a hot honda CR500 2stroke mx motor in some small gp bike frame iirc thing seems like it'll be quite a track beast. Personally I wanted an RC690 or 790 but that'll never happen now. And Aprillia really should have made a Shiver 1200 with the Dorsoduro/Caponord 1200 twin. That motor with some holes in the airbox (and no other mods) pushes more torque than the 1290 motor in this RAD Moto race bike. Pity about the terribad computer system tho 🤔
@thebikeshow any body want to rent me a bike for a track weekend in November? I am planning to be in Cape Town from November 17-28th
Shame to KTM. The real reason is not that the rc8r is to powerfull for the road as the CEO said, it is because the rc8r was not financialy profitable.
When you carry out the new bike reviews could you let us Brits have on the road prices in £. Totally brilliant show.
Thanks Simon. We've had a few people asking us for prices in their native countries but, unfortunately, it would get a bit silly to start giving prices for every currency; dollars, pounds, euros, rubles, rupees, zlotys, etc, let alone trying to find those prices from here in SA. Merely converting from Rands to other currencies using exchange rates would not be accurate as import tariffs vary from country to country. In the UK, you have some of the best motorcycling press in the world so they are probably your best source for prices.
A proper RC12 was built but was only available in track spec
More custom bikes please plase. The think that i hate about moto journalism is that everything is arround new bikes, but car journalism tends to make more videos about old cars like the supra or rx7.
The only problem is getting owners to allow us to ride their pride and joy. This bike belongs to a KTM dealer in Johannesburg with whom we have a very good relationship, hence being able to ride the bike. Many owners are, understandably, not so accommodating.
Lazareth even put a Maserati V12 on a modified bike chassis
I love how the CEO says a 200hp bike shouldn't be on the streets BUT yet other companies are making JUST THAT and are doing pretty damn good. Just say you're not up to competing with the other companies and call it a day. SMH
larry burroughs
There is a bit of truth there since the RC8R lacked top end and top speed against it's new rivals.
But... The 200+hp bikes are made for World Superbike Racing.
Racing merits in turn help to sell bikes.
But on the street you don't need 200+hp or 180pph/300kmh speeds.
Where the Fook are you really going to use that much power or ride that fast ?
No where.
Even on track they need electric gizmos to help the bike to stay upright and put that power down.
Well actually the electronic gadgets LIMIT the power to make the bike go faster.
They have too much power for mechanical grip to cope with even on super sticky racing slick tyres.
So definitely don't need 200hp for the street.
It's nice to have that option though since the stupid things in life are sometimes the most fun.
Another thing.
Have you noticed what has happened to bike prices after BMW came along and started the electric gizmo + hp wars.
How much is the new GSX-R, Fireblade, R1, Ninja 10..
Even the Japanese bikes that used to be more affordable are pretty damn expensive now.
Fireblade SP is the same money now as a Ducati Superbike.
That's not what we want is it ?
wiwwee. I have a cbr 600 and a s1000rr. I have a blast on both. Where the s1000rr has the advantage is in the upper revs. Down low they're almost identical in pull. Now as far as power goes, I think its all relative and depends on the rider. A heavy throttle hand will get anybody goin 100+ in no time. I took my zx10r up to about 185 on the street. Mind u at 2 in the morning. Lol
larry burroughs well that is just not true.
The CBR 600 does absolutely nothing under 8000 rpm.
The liter bike version has descent pull down low.
Makes me think you actually don't have both bikes.
wiwwee HOW THE HELL U GONNA TELL ME WHAT I DONT HAVE? My cbr is a 2003 with a full exhaust and aftermarket sprockets so it DOES have more pull down low than stock. But you know more about my bikes than I do.
They're back in MotoGP.... Let's hope they change they're views eventually
Is RC8 high maintenance ? I am being offered a preowned version
Don't.
Why they dont simply put rc8 fairings to the superduke ?
Because it would look ghetto. Jim Chris, you must be ghetto.
I want one
The KTM CEO is absolutely correct. Learn to use 100 bhp, you'll find that the big horsepower is just covering up inadequacies.
2:15 beautiful 🫠
"A lot of forwardness!!!" "Forwardness!!!" Really!!!
His excitement has overloaded the synapses that his brain uses for grammar lol
"They've gone to plaid!"
-Spaceballs
What wrongbwith speedometer
We want the RC-16 V-4
Ultra powerful hyper bikes are like really good MDMA. You shouldn't really have anything to do with it... but once you've tried it, there's no going back!
I suppose KTM's CEO is high on weeds.😒
KTM wants to focus solely on MOTOGP, and not on WSBK....which whether you agree or not is the driving factor behind most manufacturers developing a superbike.
However, once they taste success in motogp, they will definitely sell a replica of RC16 to wealthy folks.
So KTM fans all is not lost...
Mass produced RC16. :) I dont get why you said RC12 though, the number is based on the release year haha.
my uncle made that bike in 2012 therefor its a RC12 he raced for a while before he had a crash and had to retire
Pretty sweet marriage of like components but to me it seems like a hell of a lot of work and shoehorning engineering for just 5 hp and 10 foot pounds of torque gain....
Please send the phrase “First foray” to the Bureau of Redundancy Bureau.
They should definitely launch these bikes for street....
Try EBR 1190
Yamaha 350 2t banshee motor on a Cagiva Mito
The banshee motor started life in the rz350 motorcycle
yo i see a bn600
Ktm is best
Panigale engine in a Honda Grom??.
they couldn't make money off the RC8 so they made a virtue signalling moral excuse
259559ful …200 hp and too dangerous for the streets.
They need a new CEO there are other bikes with 200 HP on the streets
259559ful Too true, you can see that they spend more time with the more successful bikes like the dukes, there’s a 390, 790, 1190 AND a 1290
GhostsnipedXx R.I.P You forgot the duke 125 and 200
XATLY
Waaow
Never, it’s still a LC8
Why ktm forget to upgrade or develop rc8 ? 😥
Rahmat Dwi because no one bought it and it is just not profitable
Kevin ktm rc8 very rare in my country. In Indonesia 😭
Because it was launched in 2008.
After that BMW released the S1000RR and then all the other Superbikes started competing with power.
The RC8R wasn't competitive anymore because other bikes in class had much more top end end top speed.
On a street bike that makes no difference what so ever but sadly numbers and racing results sell these bikes.
RC8R didn't sell.
That was the end of the RC8R
wiwwee just because rc8r very dangerous for legal road said KTM and they stop development this bike.
Funny moment when ktm announced for the future will launching ktm gp bike (rc16) for road legal. Its no dangerous? 😂
Rahmat Dwi
no.
KTM newesr stated that the RC8 was dangerous.
The competition developed super fast & powerful bikes and KTM gave up stating 200+hp bikes are too much for public roads.
Why? Because we fucking CAN!!
That thing looks hella sexxy!
Get a V4 motor turn it into RC 16
200++ hp in a chassis lightter than a 250cc? you could do it, with a 2 strokes. so much power, so little weight.
yeah carbon is the answer to all the weight issue :) oh i think 144kg might be the dry weight, they say its 170kg-ish wet. And still, those 500cc two strokes weighs only around 130kg wet. imagine that with the violent powerband, yikes.
Suter 500MMX. 2 strokes V4, 199hp, 127kg.
just like u
Jocky KTM very" Biggest :-D
KTM makes what they call screamer engines this is an engine that has lotta power up top and their bikes were successful .
Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! I just moistened my pants.
Jajajajajja el piloto tiene más guata que caballo parado!! Jajajajaajjaja
"200 bhp superbikes are dangerous for public roads"
Ducati Kawasaki Honda Aprilia Suzuki:- "Bitch please"
One word: Aprilia
No disrespect, but KTM has more $ than my favorite Aprilia so why don't they (KTM) develop a V4? The twin is great for the road, stop wasting time bumping up displacement, there's nothing there to gain (with a twin). KTM needs to develop a V4. I'll still hold tight to my RSV4RF though, the APE is the king until it is not.
Except aprilias v4 motor is made of play dough.
@@bikerboi1983 out of curiosity, why would you say this?
@@greenjackal4362 because they eat their valves as well as various other silly issues. Early models are terribly unreliable. Shame as it's such a good bike otherwise.
Kind of typical Aprilia in that they make and design a bike which should get everyone riding one then they go and let the whole package down with a fragile motor so put potential buyers off.
@@bikerboi1983 I have read this in our forum, valve issues, and it's something I keep an eye on with models of my year.
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Never, it doesn't have 3 cylinders
So according to you only a real bike munafactuur can build a bike, and set it up properly??!.... Hmm did you guy's ever heard of Kalex, Nico Bakker or John Britten ext....?
RC8 is underpowered. Thats why im buying their superduke
It's powerful enough for me thank you. But having said that my previous BMW R1200S felt torquier at normal speeds because full torque came in 2000 revs before the KTm's.
What ktm said, its not relevant in 2019-2020 😉✔️
KTM is nuts. They won't produce the superbike, but they'll sell the Superduke 1290R? LoL.
KTM really needs to revive the RC8R. 200hp bikes should not be on the roads? Ummm you make street legal dirt bikes 😂😂😂 so get yourselves a new CEO, bring the RC8 back please. For god sake. What about all of the other Japanese bikes? And the Italians? I, hoping to get an RC8 here very shortly. It’s a bike I’ve wanted for so long, but a lot of people are selling the, for stupid expensive
The truth is KTM cant make Sports bike. So they tell everyone if they did the bike too OP. KTM and their bullshit
Which is better? one that can idk sustain the weight you own ! :)) sorry im not hating the fat people but i think you guys should just get a proper diet and when your weight gets to normal levels that don t kill the suspensions of bikes .. just stick to JEEP!
All that work still using a crap OEM clutch slave cylinder LOL