Sonic's Rocky History with DLC
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Sonic DLC kinda sucks sometimes... other times it doesn't... let's talk about that
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i dont wanna 😢
Boo I like headphones
14:08: Though, in all fairness, if you found out that these Battle Mech robot skins can also be used within Story Mode, then that's a cool thing to have. Totally worth the money if the Battle Mechs have two purposes: Serving as your Battle Avatar for Multiplayer and your Boss Avatar for Story Mode's Cyber Station.
Favorite Sonic tweet ever was the Sonic Official Twitter bragging about free DLC and someone was like "didn't you charge for Super Sonic"? And they were like "He's free now!". And then the person was like "Don't do it again".
😂
The character voices for the menus in SA2B were originally DLC for the Dreamcast version. And with the mixture of the limited space on a Dreamcast VMU and the files being pretty sizeable, you could actually find yourself not having enough room on your VMU for all of them. And I'm pretty sure Rouge had a Witch costume where her fur was black as well.
06 having DLC at all is bold enough in and of itself, but the fact that its actually kind of cool and robust is even more insane
Agreed ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Agree
Although it's gonna be obsolete once the last update for project 06 gets released, especially since the xbox 360 marketplace is now shutdown
What the dev for Pizza Tower is doing is a great compromise for DLC, he's only released the base game only digitally, but once the game is actually finished he will release the physical edition with all content added and no updates needed.
I think the game is already finished lol
That’s what they did with Cuphead
That's already done before, like countless times. Civ 6 is one on the top of my head.
What a chad
Ngl, that's exactly what I would do once I start making games.
I'm thinking about having a game inspired by Mario Party and the Mario And Sonic Olympic Winter Games ds game, where it would be digital first and get some neat dlc. But after all the dlc is here, I release the complete package physically.
I think my mic is dying
I think so too
I can't believe you sabotage your "friend" like this
C’mon stop venting in the comment section, I don’t think Splash Dash would appreciate that.
I listened to this whole video through YT auto play while playing Persona 3 and thought it was a new upload from you 😭
Stick to animation please.
Weird things about the Sonic 06 DLC:
1. The Very Hard levels were made once they understood the game they made better and were just better versions of the Hard Levels in many cases without being actually harder.
2. Team Attack Amigo drastically speeds up Tails, making him feel less like puttering through molasses, but only in the TAA levels.
3. The PS3 in the US only got the Very Hard DLC, no Boss Attack or Team Attack Amigo, despite it releasing in other regions. (Even regions the Xbox 360 version didn't receive.)
DLC in games will never be gone. and sonic is no exception still I enjoy some of them and hope they get better in the future
12:34 Actually this is why SEGA took down high-quality Sonic OSTs from various websites. It doesn’t help that they still don’t re-release most of them in any form.
I love how “Rocky” is essentially a trigger word for sonic fans.
Sonic fan named "Rocky":
As a Sonic fan, I can confirm I can't enjoy the movie "Rocky" (1976) anymore.
Isn’t Rocky the name of an animal buddy?
@@paperluigi6132 yeah he's a walrus that inspired rotor in satam and archie
"Nice try, Rocky."
- Sonic the Hedgehog 2001
Assuming the older games ever eventually get ports/remakes, I hope these DLC's are brought back. I really enjoyed the Sonic Unleashed DLC levels, Day and Night, and would be disappointed if the game got ported without them. And it's sad knowing I'll probably never get to try some DLC's like the Lost World ones since the eShop closed down.
At least fans brought back the DLC stages for Lost World in the Steam port thanks to mods
you can mod the dlc into the pc version of lost world and it has nightmare zone by default
3:01 You had Silent and the Black Knight RIGHT THERE and you just WALKED past it.
I actually still own the LEGO Dimensions Sonic pack and even bought one of the new sets. It's been years since I've played it, but the DLC level was pretty cool even as someone who didn't play that many Sonic games
8:19 I think you unfairly skipped All-Stars Racing Transformed:
- Metal Sonic (again) and a OutRun themed track, which were part of a Bonus Edition.
- Alex Kidd was added on 12/25 for free.
- The PC version contained racers from Total War, Football Manager and oddly; Team Fortress 2.
- Yogscast as part of a charity event
After a fan-submitted poll:
- Ryo Hazuki from Shenmue (who was also chosen because it was a quick reuse of assets from the first game)
As for the frontrunners in said DLC Character Poll:
3rd: Segata Sanshiro (who already appears in the Race of AGES track)
4th: Vectorman
5th: Bayonetta
6th: Ristar (who was already the game’s flagbearer)
7th: Toejam & Earl
8th: Billy Hatcher
2nd, and I kid you not: Hatsune Miku
Thanks gosh your at least kind
There was also another character from Total War later on, as well as a character from Company of Heroes. All that stuff that you mention after Alex Kidd was for the PC version only, throwing the Console players under the bus.
There are very few companies that would think it would be a genuinely good idea to have a staple form in basically every game be paid DLC, and imagine how happy I am knowing the the company that owns one of my favourite franchises is one of them.
Man, that rant about Generations spoke to me. I was so excited at the prospect of them adding more levels into the game. It's shocking how Sega/Sonic Team are still a float with the amount of financial Ls they take.
Sonic Adventure: 2:26
Sonic Adventure 2: 4:06
Sonic '06: 4:54
Sonic Unleashed: 5:35
Sonic 4: 6:35
Sonic & Sega all Stars Racing: 7:02
Sonic Generations: 7:29
Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed: 8:18
Sonic Lost World: 8:22
Sonic Boom rise of lyric: 9:27
Sonic Mania: 9:43
Sonic Forces: 10:27
Sonic Colors Ultimate: 11:42
Sonic Origins: 12:16
Sonic Frontiers: 13:07
Sonic Superstars 13:50
12:02 Hearing this with Planet Wisps theme in the background made me remember the awful dubstep opening in the remix that completely spits in the face of what the original's stellar theming.
the other song is still in the game tho
@@samcandles Yeah but my point was less "why can't I listen to the more fitting song" and more "how did they completely misunderstand the meaning of the song?"
@@samcandlespretty sure it was dlc
@@phobosanomaly5383 the remixed planet wisp songs are the dlc, not the original ones
I remember when superstars DLC was all free for download for 5 minutes on launch night. Gotta say I nabbed the comic book skins before they became unavailable and I am glad I managed to get them since they look good.
But for real we need better DLC for sonic games. like new zones or storys like that, instead of all this cosmetic stuff that makes sonics shoes a different color. thankfully frontiers and superstars have been steps in the right direction. The rabbit skin for sonic is so much better customization than what we had in colors ultimate (remember when we thought we would get movie sonic skins?)
"Step in the right direction" A Sonic fan's favorite word.
@@atre5763We have basically said that about only 2 games. I know that we shouldn't be accepting just steps, but people are acting like we've been saying it since 2011 or something.
@@atre5763I only said this for frontiers and superstars tho, I never said frontiers or superstars was prefect far from it. its just sonic team needs to to learn what works with these two games, make it better and improve it. just with sonic teams track record of pulling a 180 on everything on the slightest bit of negative feedback its sometimes worrying
@@dolomite1067 Yeah, Of course for superstars we wanted mania quality, not a step in the right direction. I fully agree with that. They really gotta learn what mania did well and make the game about that. (like removing all the waiting shit in bosses)
Not this step in a right direction bullshit, it’s a good/decent game or it’s a bad game it’s not hard to decide
Can't wait for this video to have DLC that is exclusive to Walmart if you want it
What I find funny was Team Sonic Racing Was perfect for DLC. Everyone wanted more characters for that game but nothing.
The one thing that I hate about certain Sonic DLCS is now SEGA is choosing to go the FOMO(Fear of Missing Out) route,where the SOAP Shoes skin or the Modern Amy dress are only there for a limited time.
That reminds me of the literally most tone-deaf ad I've ever seen. "Don't get FOMO, buy this before it's gone!"
Like, how do you not realize that FOMO is the term used to CRITICIZE exactly what you're doing.
@@DarkLink1996. What ad was this from?
@@samsundertail6564 Wasn't Sonic, and it's been a while
@@DarkLink1996. Ah. I've been completely burnt out from Splatoon 3 because of the Catalog,since it has FOMO. FOMO makes 100% completion a complete joke...I want to get all the Clothes and Hats in Tomodachi Life,but some were SpotPass exclusive,meaning only for a limited time...
Actually, I loved playing Amy in Sonic Origins Plus.
let’s just say, sonic has had a rough transition into DLC
Its absolutely insane to me how every time I look at what sonics doing, it almost always seems to be floundering in some way, but then I look over to the Like a Dragon series (which is also being developed at sega although under their own team) and they just released a new game which started out as DLC, but then expanded to its own thing with an insane amount of content and polish, AND its being sold for $40. On top of that, in just TWO MONTHS the 8th entry is coming out which seems to be absurdly good (and huge!) from the demo I've played. I Almost wonder if there is some sort of elitism or somethjng regarding sonic team, because im sure theres talent and people willing to give it time, but come on, this is ridiculous
Really bad example considering the yongyea is kiryu controversy, and also making DLC into a game is not always a good idea, Saints Row 4 is a testament to that.
Maybe controversial but I'd honestly love to see RGG's take on a Sonic game. Maybe give him a massive city to run around as an expansion on Yakuza's 'open world'
@@pond0479what?
What an absolutely disingenuous take? A year worth of content updates all for free and you somehow think Sonic Team has some sort of superiority complex going on? Seek help.
You mean the rushed games that reuse 80% of assets, have shit dlc practices for extra jobs, new game plus and legend mode, made lame remakes and remasters of their old games and currently fucked over the English dub players with a terrible va for kiryu?
Sonic had a rough transition to dlc
Sonic dlc was never good.
Except unleashed and frontiers are good because unleashed dlc could add more levels and frontiers dlc is really good
@@0rcustTalkerIt’s an ign reference
Mania would beg to differ
Sonic had a rough transition to DLC
How about sonic mania plus?
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed also had the Outrun Bay level and Ryo Hazuki as DLC, which were both pretty neat!
It is kind of funny for those who owned the wii port of the 1st game we able to play the dlc stage in transformed that’s in the base game and metal sonic is also playable in it. It was super weird for me as I didn’t know of the stage so playing the classic cup it brought confusion
Unleashed's DLC level design is exactly what I need the next game to have for post-game unlockables or something. Also kinda confused why they haven't added more seasonal costumes to Frontiers considering how many existing designs they have via Sonic Channel. Oh well
Completely forgot you had this sonic channel, I am so glad I found it again 😍
Sonic Frontiers DLC was the best DLCs we got the first one was fun it added Jukebox, Photo mode and New Challenges, the Second one added the Spin dash and the Third one was the best one! we got Playable Characters again since 2006! the Towers were fun to climb and the Final Boss was so much better than the OG, sure it has flaws like the pop in, Master King Koco Trial and that ball puzzle but its still an S Tier Game! at first it was in top 10 but now thanks to the DLCs its at top 5 Along with SA1, SA2, Unleashed and Generations!
All of that could have just been in the base game imo
@@SlimeBlueMS but they did not because they did not have enough time but hey I’ll take it!
The Superstars DLC was such a shitshow on the Steam version. For the ones who missed it:
- When the game released, almost all the DLC from the deluxe edition was available for FREE by accident.
- The "Comic book" skins were available (also free) due to the error. When they fixed it, they locked it completely claiming that you can only get it through some goofy promotion from idk which store.
- So deluxe people *kinda* got scammed on game release, and the comic book skins are locked away for no real reason.
Mania Plus only DLC worthwhile tbh, fairly priced with pretty much an entire game's worth of replayability due to encore + might & ray.
And then a lot of people, myself included, opted to not get it on PC at all because of the forced Epic integration for online.
Also that, fortunately they recently deleted that requirement completely (with and without crossplay) on this week's patch@@TARDISES
The store is Kroger, who better still, doesn't actually offer the Comic skins for the PC version. Only consoles.
oof 💀@@SetsuneW
How did Sega fuck up something as simple as DLC for Sonic Superstars?!
Sonic Adventure also had an extra Twinkle Circuit track "Samba GP" as a VMU download. There are four more racetracks that were never released. And of course there are mods to bring the DLC costumes to the PC version of Sonic Adventure 2 and the crossover levels to Sonic Lost World.
Transformed got glossed hard. That game is the reigning champion of bizarre character DLC. Total War, Football Manager, even _Team Fortress??_ When the game was still being supported, people were speculating about Hatsune Miku since she was the runner-up for the original ASR's most-wanted character poll, only to be graced by the iconic mega-star General Winter from Company of Heroes instead. Wild times.
Miku wasn't a Sega character anyway, and the rightsholders are stingy as hell like Sugiyama and Activision.
I have no clue if Sega has enough influence to get it done as they got Ralph and Danica Patrick in the game.
as someone who has OCD when my sonic games aren't complete with every DLC and yet some DLC is permanently locked behind different versions, this video targets me, and i understand why😔
Jesus dude the extra music mode ain't worth it lol
@@SlimeBlueMS extra music mode?
The thing about the 25 extra lives that a lot of people don't remember is that before it was VERY hard to get extra lives in Lost World.
At the game's launch and not until a few months in. You couldn't get lives by collecting rings. The levels would give you hundreds of rings and yet you never got an extra life, which is why you had to look around the levels for the countdown rings and any loose lives all over the place. So the 25 lives from Amazon gave you something to keep you safe for a bit to avoid early game overs.
But then a LOT of people complained about it and Sega eventually added in a patch for you to get lives when you collected rings.
The weird part is the 3DS version always had that, Sega removed it in the Wii U version for some reason.
Sonic dlc has been very crazy
And Sega says they want to surpass Mario! Yeah, if they keep doing this bullshit, then no!
What exactly does that have to do with anything? And when has anyone at SEGA ever explicitly said that? This ain’t 1991 anymore dude
2:59 Silent Dreams, the goat of Sonic remixes
You didn't mention the Japan Exclusive Korone Sound Effects DLC for Frontiers. Probably because it's Japan Exclusive.
You sound familiar
He can make a really good impression of his friend Mark.
The rebok contest winner was given a personalized dreamcast kiosk all sonic themed and everything and that winner watched sonic central on it
This was my first splash dash video I ever watched
You never mentioned the Sonic DLC for Lego Dimensions.
4:44 I don’t like being called out like this Mr. Splash Dash
1:49
Truly the best sonic OST ever
By the way, what's this Sonic soundtrack though?
@@elmemearana it’s sonic spinball options menu
@@jtgamer1907 oh, right. As I doubted lol
Technically speaking, the earliest bit of DLC for a Sonic game isn't Sonic 3 with Sonic 3 & Knuckles, since that was more so a means to complete the full experience without making a more expensive cartridge.
The first is actually for Sonic 2, since with the use of the Sonic & Knuckles cartridge, you can play an updated version of the game as Knuckles called "Knuckles the Echidna in Sonic the Hedgehog 2" which actually had a bit more than just "Play as Knuckles" This included
*Keeping your rings from before a special stages upon exiting said special stage
*Shields are now grey instead of blue
*Slight level layout changes with new paths
Very recently at this years SHC, someone actually made a hack of this called "Sonic the Hedgehog, and Miles "Tails" Prower in Knuckles the Echidna in Sonic the Hedgehog 2" (That's the actual title btw) That adds back Sonic & Tails with the new additions present in the Knuckles version.
If Sonic and Knuckles counts as DLC, then sonic's OG DLC was epic
You should talk about Sonic's appearances in other games and properties, like Smash Bros, O.K K.O, and Lego Dimensions. I don't know of any other examples off the top of my head, but I'm sure you'll find some!
I would say that Unleashed DLC was the most fun for me.
The issue with recents DLCs isn't exclusive to Sonic, Sega is doing the exact same thing with their other IPs in recent years, just look what they did with Super Monkey Ball Banana Mania and Samba de Amigo Party Central.
They're giving Samba De Amigo a 9th unannounced dlc pack this month
Valkyria Chronicles also had this issue, with DLC that rewards players overpowered equipment, or units in the 4th game, upon completion.
And since Valkyria Chronicles 2 had PvP, the meta is unfortunately ineffective against DLC owners.
One of those moments where im happy i got sonic origins as a gift rather then buying it myself
Can't believe Sonic 06 DLC actually exists
For PC players, at the very least, the PC versions tend to get modded to add back all the content EXCEPT THE RACING GAMES (still no Banjo, Metal Sonic and Egg Hangar for the first Sonic and Sega racing game)
-SADX has all the SA1 DLCs
-SA2 kinda has almost all of the DLCs
-Lost World had the Nintendo DLCs ported
-You can pirate Forces since the Joker and Shadow costumes (not the Episode Shadow DLC, thankfully) are not available in some regions.
-Frontiers had the Korone DLCs, free JP emote, and the now-JP-exclusive Soap shoes modded back, and are even recognized as DLC by the game
I didn't know it would be possible to give something like that during Dreamcast
technically it wasn't really. on a technical level, there was nothing preventing it since the dreamcast had internet capabilities and could download to the vmu- that's how the dlc works at a glance. but due to the low storage capacity of the vmu and the fact download speeds were generally pretty pitiable back then, almost all the dlc for dreamcast games was already on the disc, and the downloaded part was simply a key to access that content, which is why almost all dreamcast dlc was free and was typically just special events and small cosmetics, things you wouldn't miss if it wasn't there or things that are neat but don't make much sense to throw in without an event or holiday justifying it.
Sonic and DLC are definately a mixed bag to say the least. One one hand you got stuff like Mania Plus or the Unleashed DLCs where it genuinely felt like a true expansion of the game, on the other you got stuff like Origins plus where it feels like Sega has fallen victim to the same "We need to weaponize FOMO to maximise profits with premiumn deluxe editons" mantra that most major game studios have gotten into.
I am just shocked that I never found out Sonic Adventure had DLC like this ever, and am just finding out about this now.
little did he know we are getting dlc for sonic generations a few months later
It's not a dlc. Its a rerelease
“Wonder what they might do next!”
-they proceed to make an Apple Play exclusive game-
Man, Sonic '06 DLC sure does exist.
8:00 wait it's rumored that sonic generations had cut secret rings and black knight stages that's news to me!
FINAL HORIZON ISNT A DLC, ITS A GODDAMN UPDATE
Fun fact, if you get sonic four episode two on mobile, you will get episode medal. And you won’t need to get episode one
4:46 I mean you aren't wrong
"Silent Forest"
Silent Night of the Werehog
boy wish he got fired for that blunder
I remember getting the Lost World DLC for free. The Zelda one was really confusing but the Yoshi one was passable.
I questioned Spnic dlc the most when Generations released. Really made me feel how the games were released and done with while fans picked up after them and showed its potential beyond.
LEGO Dimensions was how I got into Sonic, and is still a great DLC to this day.
Babe wake up splash dash posted
If they make superstars plus it’s all over
I'm surprised you didn't mention the SA1 Twinkle Circuit DLC course.
Notice how he put lego dimensions in the thumbnail but never talked about
lsmark is that you
I'm currently replaying Generations, a remaster of that would be great. Add in a few more stages, Tails ad Knuckles as playable charters, some gameplay tweaks and it would be well worth rebuying.
0:59 I’d rather have pre order bonuses be as lame as 25 lives than being gatekeeped out of a cool cosmetic option that appears in a lot of the gameplay (Lego Eggman superstars pre order dlc or the comic style Amazon skins)
Also frontiers digital deluxe sucks because they stuck the middle finger at physical buyers for not allowing us to buy it separately
Superstars easily has the worst dlc because of the bs to try and get it all on ONE version
Lego Eggman - Pre Order (Full Price)
Lego Tails, Amy, Knuckles - 70$
Comic Style Skins - 40$+ at krogers points rewards
It’s awful I’m sorry but frontiers did it best regardless if it’s a “should’ve been in the base game” it was atleast all free and it didn’t felt like they were trying to drain my wallet
The Lost World DLC had a lot more spirit than the Force... It's strange that frontiers is free.
and mania new playable cool
3:00 Silent Nights into Dreams was right there
Rouges skins (especially the Christmas one) look pretty cool tbh, it would be cool to see a pumpkin or skeleton one.
Ngl new ones are better but those are still cool
actually superstars is going to get dlc in 2024 and I hope that is more story content like mania
Just clicked on it since this interesting, not expecting that LS mark was going to be here
the lego skins are the best dlc sonic has ever gotten since all the rouge costumes, so in other words; its peak.
when you realize how groundbreaking sonic 3 and knuckles was unfortunately
Oh good a splashdash video
SONIC HAD A ROUGH TRANSITION INTO-
0:40 so much extra content? soap shoes and holiday cheer suit are so much extra content?
I like to think if splash dash had a persona itd be a vaguely familiar orange haired man with sonic man helmet on obscuring his face lol
Nah the 25 lives for Lost World is Intentional for that Lava level on rails for sure.
the original dlc was sonic and knuckles attached to sonic 3
Slowly waiting for him to talk about the Sonic Boom 3DS games
Gotta tell ya, I was NOT expecting LS Mark's voice in this, it threw me off pretty hard. Almost forgot he has a 2nd channel
Sega always feels like they're we behind the industry by a good decade I swear
As a Complesionist, I wish the Digital Deluxe Pre Order Costume would finally be able to purchase seperatly. Its the only thing I'm missing for true 100%, but I'm not buying the game again digital just to unlock it. 70€ for a Costume is way to much! At least Sonic Superstars had the Digital Deluxe Upgrade even though its not worth the price.
Sonic game to get dlc outside of a pinball table:
Red button: One of the most infamous and hated video games of all time
Blue button: One of the most critically acclaimed 3d sonic games, with a large array of assets and an opportunity to bring back a sea of past levels
Sega: Jim Carrey pressing the red button
2:38 it might be the 1st instance of a game being released & then finished later
Amy should've been playable in the base origins game. But this series is too cheap to make 4 sprite sets at once
Knuckles especially , it’s so baffling you have to pay $5 to even play him in cd, they couldn’t even do a small update for him
"What the fuck is a Yogscast?"
I AM ROLLING LMFAO
Wait a damn minute is that LSMark?
Silent Casino Night was RIGHT there.
You forgot to mention the Inugami Korone DLC for Frontiers & Modern clothes Amy on classic Amy for Superstars
I was so excited to see your thoughts on the Lego dimensions sonic pack. Hopefully a video on it in the future!
Dear god, the hate for Update 3 is so forced, how can you dislike it so much just because it's difficult?
@@miadatenshi9903 because the difficulty wasn't fair, most ot the time(before the patch)imo.
Its why I thought it was bad(Part of the reason) other than the fact that it took the flaws of the base game, and made them worse.
Ofc, after the patch, I found it to be decent, but very flawed.
@@Hyp3rSonic how was it not fair? Set the game easy, the parry is a joke. Set the game hard, surprise, the game is hard as you requested.
@@miadatenshi9903 the thing is, I didnt request for it to be unreasonably hard. Also, I usually play games on the easiest difficulty.(unless you get more rewards on higher difficulties, then I might change it)
Also, it didn't matter what difficulty I chose, the flaws didn't went away. I still thought that most of it was unfair. My thoughts weren't gonna change if I played on easy, normal, or hard. I would had still thought that the update has a ton of problems. I did make a comment discussing my thoughts on it, pre-patch, but here is some of them:
It's unclear how to beat the final boss, at a certain point. Also, its bad that you have to 100% the island to get told what to do, when that should had been in the tutorial.
The new version of parry kinda sucks. I eventually had to spam it to reliably dodge attacks.
The pop-in is still a massive issue.
The final trial is just bad. You have to play almost perfectly, and if you fail, you have to do the long 2nd section(Wyvern) idk why they included the climbing parts, since the 2nd one kinda drags on.
Ofc, I didnt hate it, mind you. I just thought that it was bad. However, after the patch, most of the unfairness was made fair, I believe.
Also, I loved the cyberspace levels, and also found those to be the best part of both versions(base and Update 3), and I only go back to play those. Oh, and speedrun the titans, ig.
Pre-patch, I thought it was bad. Post-patch, it was decent, imo.
Ofc, you can think differently, but you are wrong that you thought that everyone wanted it to be hard. I was one of the few people who didn't want that. Also, no, I wont change my mind. However, im interested to hear your thoughts about it. I hope that made sense, and that I wasn't being rude.
I always thought this when I beaten the update. Now, the base game and update 3 are both decent, but very flawed, imo. It's about on the same level of quality of Forces, except Forces is slightly bette, I think. No, I also won't change my mind on that, for now
@@Hyp3rSonic sorry dude everyone complained about the base game being too easy. They simply heard the complaints and did a good challenge for experienced players. Yes, cause Final Horizon is for those who wanted more from the base game. If someone went on their way to play it, they aren't a casual player, but a player who spent hours with the mechanics and all. the final trial isn't that hard if you know how to speedrun the bosses, wich is what every player who played the game till the release of Final Horizon did. Is it hard? Yes. That was the intent. It's the final part of the whole game of course it would bring difficulty. Final Horizon is for experienced Sonic fans who waited for it, simply put
@@miadatenshi9903 while I respect your opinion, I still thought that most of it was unfair(originally), and I go stand by most of what I think about the update.
Also, back then, I only beat the game once. That means that I only beat each titan once(I think)
However, I found the 2nd trial kinda easy
Speaking of that, I still find the open zones to be the most flawed aspect of the base game, so that might be why I wasn't so excited when they announced the DLC.
Also, I spent most of my time in frontiers speedrunning the cyberspace levels, as I find that the most fun. I had like 120 to 130 hours of playtime back then(I think)