@@bryanjk This literally prevents ewaste, letting people use old peripherals and drives instead of having to purchase modern ones, simply because the older connected was not supported by choice.
@@private679r.i.c.o4 Apprently his account is 15 years old This mean 1) he bought a youtube account for "trolling" and/or 2) this guy is like 30+ and is acting like a child online Either way it's kinda sad
@@edogawakonan8930 Some of them aren't bad. For example, the Powkiddy devices are generally good. If you put a community firmware on them, they get much better performance. The V90 handles all handhelds GBA and older perfectly, and just about anything at or before 4th generation for under $50. The only real complaint I have is the plastic sucks. I'd rather pay an extra $10. Their more premium handhelds have better build quality and performance. Even with the device in this video, the weakest part is probably the joycon sticks, but that's not a huge problem because they are very cheap and easy to replace. The whole housing can be replaced and only require a single ribbon cable. They go for under $5 on average if you're willing to wait on shipping.
But they software is disappointing. They are far behind with releasing kernel sources and unlocking fastboot. This device was also supposed to be developer friendly and it wasn't.
A few things Anthony didn't talk about/correcting Anthony: - Yes, that's a fan. You can change the fan settings in the notification tray. - You can overclock in the notification tray as well. - This device is strong enough to play GameCube, Wii, and PS2 emulators. (And very small bit of Nintendo Switch, ex Sonic Mania at 60fps) - You can map touch controls for android games that do not work with controls ex Genshin Impact. (Any one else with high knowledge use this comment as a thread to add more information for people)
You need to turn on high performance mode. It overclocks it. Then you can turn the fan on. They have their own custom launcher also. Make sure you run the update as well, as they do OTA and have done 2 since I have had it.
Quick note on the button colors: they're copied from the SNES layout. The whole console kinda looks like a switch fused with an SNES controller. I really like the controller ports on the dock! In general the dock super cool. Quite like the detail of having the screen still accessible docked, unlike the switch.
A few points you missed that are touched on in WULFF DEN's review. 1. The Console features a few different Performance modes including a High Performance which will Over Clock the Console and really push the fan (Yes that is a fan for active cooling) 2. The Odin has a GUI built for it that you can enable which looks quite practical and very clean 3. The sticks use magnetic positioning to register their movement which does not lend its self to drift issues since it isn't based on contact/rubbing the way the switch is. 4. They are pushing OTA updates pretty frequently (I believe they have had 2 or 3 since launch.) I love you guys over at LTT and especially Anthony but I do feel like they should have been more thorough with this review. Not sure if there were limits put on them as far as what they could or couldn't do in regards to opening the console but I think that something like this really does deserve a deeper dive in the future and you should have gone ahead and popped it open, as well as spent a bit more time digging through the settings to understand exactly what you are looking at. No hate, just some constructive critique for the future.
That annoyed me so much lol. Talks highly of a product then decides a few seconds into opening the box to purposely break something in said box. ....W H Y ? !
That combo makes the experience so amazing for something at such a low price. Though not as great performance wise as the stem deck, the entire system works so well. This is probably the best budget retro gaming console set ever.
@@der-andyman SATA is old tech. NVME/thunderbolt is the new standard. USB with pci express, or pci express. SATA was the current standard 5 years ago but now computers don't even have SATA ports.
This is probably the coolest android console I've seen. It's got horsepower, the sickest dock ever, and even the pro model is dirt cheap for what you get.
The Odin is like a miracle device that all of us retro handhelds enthusiast have been waiting for, we've even doubted the company's ability to deliver a working product, because its early bird pricing of 200 bucks. Well, it's here, and it works exactly like the miracle device we all thought it was. As a retroid pocket owner, I've very happy to see that these devices are pushing their OS forward, I just wish that it didn't require them to go 180 with the open source code they used to provide. But, I understand that Ambernic and Powkiddy would've just happily stole it otherwise, and with the promise to keep spare parts in the market for repair in the future, I'm very happy with it.
The reason there's two HDMI outputs on the dock is that the Lite model doesn't support video output over USB C. There's a mini HDMI port next to the microSD card slot under the cover at the top of the device, and you use a jumper cable to go from the Odin's mini HDMI output to the micro HDMI input at the top of the dock. If you're serious about using the Odin docked, I would at least get the Base model to avoid having to use the HDMI jumper. Mini HDMI and micro HDMI ports are not very durable, so if you're using the Lite model docked be very careful when you're unplugging/plugging in the cable.
I own an Odin and use the d-pad a lot. I assure anyone wondering, the clickiness is very minor and inaudible. It's the perfect amount for tactile feel. It is precise and I am very happy with the d-pad. I agree with it being small though. While it hasn't presented any issues to me since using it, I think it'd be better if it were a little larger.
@@johnathanflores7750 I live in Australia. I don't know if that makes any difference. Mine was shipped via DHL. I hope you enjoy your Odin. I love mine. If you like Android, it is awesome.
@@the_retag that's what I thought at first lol bit then I realized it's only a mobile chip so it makes sense. Still very powerful for a mobile ship being a SD845. Definitely leagues stronger than my phone which uses SD670.
@@the_retag what's your point? Yeah they go over a k but you're acting like that's normal? Most people don't but flagships, they buy low-midrange. $200-$700. Especially in lower income countries there are phones with SD845 that can get their cost below $400 or even $300. The DS was around $200, the switch lite is the same thing. These things aren't phones making them cheaper and trying to compare them makes zero sense.
Got mine a week ago... and it's been impressive! I'd say I've had 80% success for GC/Wii (dolphin mmjr) and 50-60% success with PS2 (AetherSX2)... it's great! And yes, it has an active cooling fan, it will turn on in high demanding games (mostly GC/Wii/PS2 for me... have yet to test any android games)
If I wasn’t more hyped on the Deck, I would have ordered one of these. The Odin seems amazing for the price and for older 3D games and back, is a great solution.
Ordered one and can't wait to get my hands on it! Speaking about hands, is it comfortable for long gaming sessions? With my Switch Lite, I had to get a Grip otherwise it was a pain to hold, way too slim.
soft touch plastic is horrible.... the stuff becomes tacky after a while and makes any device its on disgusting to use after a set period of time. only solution i found is to litterally bathe and scrub the item with alcohol to get the stuff off.
They need to be considering how inconsistent Androids are regarding whether they're getting the latest updates (aside from Pixels since they're the only ones actually made by Google).
@@wanderingwobb6300 So that's good. I just retired my 150usd Android phone, burnt it completely for over 3.5 years. Now I use it to record voice overs and calling. My high end Samsung Android phone that I swicthed to, on the other hand will have long long term support. So it's great, that old Android phones have so much life. Infact my old phone can still last a fair few years if all I do is calling and social media :)
Im still waiting for the kernel source release like they said when asked during funding. It is a great feeling device and really makes its competitors look over priced.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 If I could get one of these with a snapdragon 888 and a sim tray I'd definitely use it as a phone. It might even win me over my zfold 2. I'd prefer the handheld
That price absolutely blows me away. To be fair I didn't look at the tech specs but I assumed it'd be absolute minimum $500 + 100 for system and dock, realistically closer to 700 for the whole package
It has pretty old chip - Snapdragon 845, we have a lot better options right now. I wish they made 500-600$ versions with Snapdragon 888 or Dimensity 9000 tho, those have thermal issues on the phones, but MUCH better performance, it would be perfect for something like this, they can even emulate switch games!
One extra thing I found is that it's capable of game streaming so you can also play real AAA titles like Witcher cyberpunk horizon you get the point. The dock is freaking SICK would definitely but in replacement of having multiple consoles.
7:19 They didn't "just keep the colors" for Xbox because they're literally using the Nintendo colors from the Super Famicom, along with the Nintendo placement from the Super Famicom. Almost like it will be emulating Super Famicom games, with color-coded buttons, and they wanted them to match.
@@Chipmunkboy Anthony is LTT's resident retro gamer. He's done reviews on Retrons and talks about Retro-pi. It has not been 28 years since he's played a SNES game.
Every time I see an overview of this thing I'm blown away. I just always forget something that it has cause it has SO MANY FEATURES. I love this thing so much
Love how more and more handled gaming devices are coming out Steam deck can't and won't be a failure, since their main goal was exactly this, to bring competition in the market
@@orlandofurioso7329 yeah looks like taki udons reveal of odin was a few months earlier than deck announcement. Odin is an evolution of the other various chinese handhelds, just by an unknown company.
Nice ending, Anthony. You emphasize the convenience of being able to have fun, over the raw computing power being the key to having fun. I’ll still take my 3DS out, even though I have a Switch. The games are still fun, and the New 3DS is arguably the most ergonomic and well-made, self-preserving handheld there is.
11:54 Minecraft: *Java Edition* is the horribly unoptimized version, Minecraft: Bedrock (all current console, mobile, and Win10 Edition/Win10 Store) are compiled from the same codebase, -C#- C++ and run _way_ better. So still, you are actually not pushing it to the max, due to how beautifully optimized the mobile edition is.
"Why is this dock so good?! Why does it have so much I/O?!" Three words - Windows For ARM. Try loading Windows on it (there's a port already available) and loading Steam on it. Not joking.
it really would've. I see no reason why he should've destroyed it. They didn't even make a bit out of it and show the footage of him being dared, so it was a complete waste...
For anyone wondering about the button colors; that's the same button pattern Japanese/European SNES controllers used. The fact they went for the Nintendo layout instead of the more common Xbox layout is interesting, to say the least.
The ayn odin does not use the xbox layout. It uses the snes layout from nintendo. It is obvious if you think about it. They are trying to mimic retro nintendo handhelds in a switch form factor.
You can install Windows 10 for ARM on this and play actual PC games with Steam and x86 emulation on ARM. You can play Tomb Raider 2016 on this. It's a mini-SteamDeck but on ARM!
They're likely going with Nintendo colors due to the GC ports on the back, similar to how the analog triggers have that little area at the very end where you have to press harder, like the GC controller.
It's not too odd, everyone who bought this device are going to use it for emulation anyways and we all know it's mostly Nintendo games that people are likely to emulate which this layout is perfect for.
I think the Steam Deck docking station is made with some form of portability in mind in case you don't have another powered USB-C hub. It would be much easier to have a SATA to USB enclosure that costs $10 (and that doesn't need screws, is easier to replace and can be used with all compatible devices) than to travel with that kind of full featured dedicated dock of that shape. Please don't get me wrong, I still think it's a cool dock but it's probably not intended for carry.
Wonder how hard it would be to crack open and swap the buttons around.... I assume they've all got those notches that prevent the builders from putting them in wrong but thats not hard to modify if the depth is the same on all 4.
Anthony. The biggest question wasn't asked: If you removed the plastic front screen cover, would the Steam Deck plug into that and work properly? Like, 64/Cube controller ports AND the drive bay?
So a few quick corrections; The Odin Lite, Base and Pro will actually all come with a 6,000mah battery (apparently it turned out cheaper for AYN to do it this way). The “cursed” controller layout does not matter so much as you can set the controller to mimic a Xbox controller layout in the settings, so despite what the buttons say, they behave under the standard layout. A significant issue with the dock is that it does not automatically map controllers plugged into the dock, so these need to be manually changed when you use the dock and then manually changed back to the Odin when your done using the dock. Useful to know there are currently community projects to port windows and Linux to this device. Windows 11 does successfully run on it and has some compatibility with windows gaming. Games of note, Hades, Skyrim and Rimworld. Current efforts are looking to dual booting compatibility.
This thing looks awesome. I love the idea of retro gaming handhelds, but never can justify buying one that's so narrowly focused. This looks like it would be great for that pluss gamepass, steamlink, etc. Especially for the price. Hope to see maybe a full LTT review on this one. Maybe a full comparison on handhelds for emulation and game streaming.
when you popped the back off that my jaw dropped because what I saw is what all docks honestly need I know the steam deck has large drives on the ready and SD card slots but I will always gladly add an additional spinning disk or SATA SSD to a system if that part of it isn't for portability, will they release a version that's strictly the dock and is there a way to install Linux on it so you can make it just an all-around PC?
it's a snapdragon 845 soc, meaning it's just a normal phone processor based on arm (though still a really capable one) you could theoretically get linux on this thing if you want, but it'd be a stripped down arm based OS, not all that helpful
The Snapdragon 845 has very good Linux mainline support (wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Snapdragon_845_(SDM845)). It should be possible to port it, even though that's probably still a lot of work.
Facts: The ABXY buttons's colors are from the Super Famicom controller! The locations are also on that same controller, but they're also used on the Wii (Classic Controller), Wii U and Switch This means that it's more like the Nintendo trademark location.
The AYN Odin is honestly the best handheld for most people tbh, it’s able to play all of the great android games (although there is not that much), and more importantly, can play emulators very well like wii and ps2. It’s also small enough to fit in a (big?) pocket
I have an SD855 based Samsung phone and it doesn't handle PS2 via AtherSX all that well honestly so yeah I perosnally wouldn't be running PS2 on the Odin any time soon. So for me the Steam Deck is still the better option at $400 for the BAse model which is honestly all you require for Emulation purposes with all your roms on an sd card.
@@alexdavis9324 What are you on? People have been buying it left and right and I have seen plenty out in the wild NOT just in the hands of Techtubers like LTT/MKBHD and similar
If I wanted a device like this, this one looks like a VERY viable option! I'm genuinely impressed at that audio quality and the dock seems to me to be a really clever extra at an actually pretty reasonable price.
Cheers Anthony, nice to see the Odin getting some more mainstream attention. It ticked my boxes for a retro gaming handheld and eventually ... it will arrive.
I believe purple USB A means higher amperage than standard USB A allows for, e.g. higher than ~3 amps (at 5 volt). It’s usually found on power inverters/chargers and not on cables from my experience, though. Edit: Looks like purple USB-A plugs don’t exist as a standard plug (or port) color. They’re therefore used proprietarily by manufacturers, often being the equivalent to a Teal USB-A (3.1) plug speed wise, and may be able to handle additional amperage, especially in the case of HUAWEI SuperCharge compatible plugs.
Cons of the dock: system can overheat when docked, as the rear fan gets completely cut off. Those GameCube ports are upside-down, which means you can't use the WaveBird wireless controllers (good luck making that fit right upside-down). May be coming in a future firmware update, but the 4K HDMI out does not work at all on either of my 2 TVs or 4K monitor (tried 4 different cables. Hopefully not a defect of my dock. 1080p port works just fine).
Some TV's have a setting called "hdmi ultra deep color" or "HDMI UHD color" in the display settings and you might have to turn it on or off. That might get it to work.
@@Justin-xq3ip Appreciate the reply for info! Unfortunately, I have neither of those on my TVs (HDMI 2.1), nor on my 4K PC monitor. I'm beginning to lean more on the issue that I might have a defective dock.
@@th3oryO I'm probably just going to break into it and gut it, put it into my own 3D printed case (with a fan), and see if I cant put all the ports on the front, and USBs on the side.
Also, consider that when using the Odin on the dock, the fan is relatively blocked. Even when you run this device in "sport mode" consider heating issues when running intensive games. Ayn should have considered making a fan opening into the dock to better facilitate air flow.
I have an Odin, you missed the part that it has two built-in overclocking modes you can switch to on the fly which activate the fan. This can emulate up to Wii and PS2 games. And arguably is better than the Deck for cloud gaming with it's real 1080p screen / battery battery life and more comfortable form factor as opposed to the Deck's max 1280x800 resolution.
@@vicariouschism86 True, for Wii and lower the Odin Is just better, however the Deck allows you to do way more than just emulate and if you are using the deck just for emulation I don't think it's that worth it unless you really want to play a certain Wii U, PS3 or Yuzu game. Two different use cases for sure.
@@oplkfdhgk the actual throughput in sequential is actually faster on USB 3.1, but it's much much slower for hard drives because of the latency of the controller. USB is only faster when copying large files, when a program requests to read a file there's a much larger delay though before it starts reading it so it's actually slower when you're booting off of it, like 100 times slower.
Okay an all round good device with no obvious faults AND an awesome not overpriced dock? I didn't even know I need a new handheld but this intrigued me.
Almost definitely not. Nintendo made their dock proprietary and although they use usb-c on the switch, they did not follow USB-C protocol in terms of power delivery. Even the 3rd-party Switch Docks have to have boards in them specific to the Switch, and I highly doubt Ayn would go to the added expense of allowing their dock to be used with another console.
This thing is really cool, there’s people on the internet that hace turned the ODIN into a budget steam deck by installing windows on it and pc games. The problem with that though, is that the battery duration decreases a lot.
Missed out on the fact you can install windows 10 and windows 11, as well as the fact that you can change the fan speed and it helps with keeping the chip set cool for playing games longer or on high settings.
@@kreamkid275 ruclips.net/video/cppIppR7WnI/видео.html. Check out this link to see how Windows 11 runs on the Ayn Odin, also check out Eta Prime as he runs Windows 10 on it as well
That's the big problem to me with these devices. There are already tons of Snapdragon 845 based phones in the world, and you can get network locked ones for next to nothing to use as a dedicated gaming handheld if you want
@@Sevent77 I think you are missing the point, your poco X3 may be faster, but it won't be able to sustain that performance for longer as it doesn't have any cooling. This device can sustain it's performance for longer, and with it's built-in overclocking, it can perform closer to 855-865 at expense of battery. Running 845 has some pros as well, windows and Linux support this chip, so you can install those OS as well
@@thelookofdisapproval8234 And I think you're overestimated what this 845 oc can do, for one the 845 GPU runs at 787 while 860 runs at 750 so it is slightly faster but the 860 has more computing units not to mention other specs that make the 860 superior. And while true that my X3 will thermal throttle that's not a big issue as both devices will power throttle sooner since both CPU and GPU are on the same chip So the only time when you'll see the boosted GPU speed is if the CPU runs at less than 20%, anything higher and the GPU will be starved for power and forced to dowclock. 845 is in that weird spot where it has barely enough power to run some PS2, GC games but far too much power to run everything else, so that oc and active cooling aren't fully taken advantage of IMHO.
"I want that!" - Bobby Duke Arts Anthony, there is an FPS overlay you can enable in the Android admin panel. Also, Steam Link is amazing... I wish you demoed it on this beast!
![The new KING of Emulation [AYN Odin]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qOE76NBOTCw/mqdefault.jpg)
The reveal for that SATA port on the dock was unreal. Valve seriously should be taking notes because that's actually 500IQ.
@@bryanjk This literally prevents ewaste, letting people use old peripherals and drives instead of having to purchase modern ones, simply because the older connected was not supported by choice.
@@bryanjk “racist”? Are you OK there mate?
@@johnbuscher it's obviously a troll, no need to stress over it
@@bryanjk what are you talking about “racist”🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@private679r.i.c.o4 Apprently his account is 15 years old
This mean 1) he bought a youtube account for "trolling" and/or 2) this guy is like 30+ and is acting like a child online
Either way it's kinda sad
the engineering that went into the dock alone is impressive. I will keep their devices on my radar.
nah,its chinese product, its not good
@@edogawakonan8930 It's great! I love it! One of those anti-China trolls, eh?
@@edogawakonan8930 Some of them aren't bad. For example, the Powkiddy devices are generally good. If you put a community firmware on them, they get much better performance. The V90 handles all handhelds GBA and older perfectly, and just about anything at or before 4th generation for under $50. The only real complaint I have is the plastic sucks. I'd rather pay an extra $10. Their more premium handhelds have better build quality and performance.
Even with the device in this video, the weakest part is probably the joycon sticks, but that's not a huge problem because they are very cheap and easy to replace. The whole housing can be replaced and only require a single ribbon cable. They go for under $5 on average if you're willing to wait on shipping.
But they software is disappointing. They are far behind with releasing kernel sources and unlocking fastboot. This device was also supposed to be developer friendly and it wasn't.
@@heasterian2508 what do you mean? It actually is developer friendly?
A few things Anthony didn't talk about/correcting Anthony:
- Yes, that's a fan. You can change the fan settings in the notification tray.
- You can overclock in the notification tray as well.
- This device is strong enough to play GameCube, Wii, and PS2 emulators. (And very small bit of Nintendo Switch, ex Sonic Mania at 60fps)
- You can map touch controls for android games that do not work with controls ex Genshin Impact.
(Any one else with high knowledge use this comment as a thread to add more information for people)
You can even run Windows with GPU-Acceleration on it
Probably a dumb question but what about streaming xbox game pass games?
@@sushifish3047 Yeah you can do that as well
@@sushifish3047 you can stream with game pass, xcloud, stadia, Moonlight, etc. There's a setting to change from Nintendo layout to XBox layout
what can you use to emulate switch?
You need to turn on high performance mode. It overclocks it. Then you can turn the fan on. They have their own custom launcher also. Make sure you run the update as well, as they do OTA and have done 2 since I have had it.
Quick note on the button colors: they're copied from the SNES layout. The whole console kinda looks like a switch fused with an SNES controller.
I really like the controller ports on the dock! In general the dock super cool. Quite like the detail of having the screen still accessible docked, unlike the switch.
European SNES that is. Or Super Famicom. NTSC SNES had two shades of purple.
The button layout and colours actually resemble the ones of the New Nintendo 3DS/3DSXL as well.
Even closer to the new 3ds xl as they did use colored lettering on the buttons.
@@qlum I mean the new 3ds xl's button lettering is an homage to the SNES controller buttons
@@Pfish1000 fair enough
A few points you missed that are touched on in WULFF DEN's review.
1. The Console features a few different Performance modes including a High Performance which will Over Clock the Console and really push the fan (Yes that is a fan for active cooling)
2. The Odin has a GUI built for it that you can enable which looks quite practical and very clean
3. The sticks use magnetic positioning to register their movement which does not lend its self to drift issues since it isn't based on contact/rubbing the way the switch is.
4. They are pushing OTA updates pretty frequently (I believe they have had 2 or 3 since launch.)
I love you guys over at LTT and especially Anthony but I do feel like they should have been more thorough with this review. Not sure if there were limits put on them as far as what they could or couldn't do in regards to opening the console but I think that something like this really does deserve a deeper dive in the future and you should have gone ahead and popped it open, as well as spent a bit more time digging through the settings to understand exactly what you are looking at. No hate, just some constructive critique for the future.
They don't have hall sticks, it's one of the most common upgrades, the odin 2 does but not the odin/pro
The most impressive part of this handheld had to be the legacy ports
Scratch that, the entire dock
@yes don't worry, I will spread the Lord's word to others
You can run windows 10 on it, run Box86, and play modern games. This video is a god damn sham.
Are the ports really such a big deal?
I mean everyone who is into retro emulation probably already has a dongle and/or a third party controller.
@@goodasdead4303 Windows 11 ARM and its built-in x86 emulation is better.
@@goodasdead4303 At this point just spin a Linux distro on it, running Windows on this will make it anemic
Anthony is such a great host honestly. So calming and informative
I read this as he screamed OMEGA DOCK
Ayn: *generously sends a tempered glass screen protector*
Anthony: *snaps it*
Ayn: ...
"Pretty good screen protector"......
not anymore doofus XD
I mean, the screen is not broken. Screen protector definitely worked.
Didn't like it at all when he did it
That annoyed me so much lol.
Talks highly of a product then decides a few seconds into opening the box to purposely break something in said box.
....W H Y ? !
In a way that was a good quick and dirty evaluation of the screen protector. I'll give it a pass.
That combo makes the experience so amazing for something at such a low price. Though not as great performance wise as the stem deck, the entire system works so well. This is probably the best budget retro gaming console set ever.
Ok, that dock is SICK. They even went with SATA for good performance at a nice price.
What would the alternative be? P-ATA? Sata is the only option to make sense ...
@@der-andyman This device technically could support PCIe over NVMe, sure that's faster, but also a little more costly.
@@der-andyman The alternative is not having the SATA and you just get USB storage.
@@Postman00 Oh i see, i somehow completely forgot about USB-Thumb drives for a moment there XD
@@der-andyman SATA is old tech. NVME/thunderbolt is the new standard. USB with pci express, or pci express.
SATA was the current standard 5 years ago but now computers don't even have SATA ports.
That is surprisingly extremely well and fairly priced, especially the dock
This is probably the coolest android console I've seen. It's got horsepower, the sickest dock ever, and even the pro model is dirt cheap for what you get.
I'd definitely buy one, if not for a war in my country
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Agreed
@@512TheWolf512 totally agree, same
I have one, and I love it, but despite me absolutely babying my handhelds, it already has 3 dead pixels. I’m honestly pretty pissed about it.
The Odin is like a miracle device that all of us retro handhelds enthusiast have been waiting for, we've even doubted the company's ability to deliver a working product, because its early bird pricing of 200 bucks.
Well, it's here, and it works exactly like the miracle device we all thought it was. As a retroid pocket owner, I've very happy to see that these devices are pushing their OS forward, I just wish that it didn't require them to go 180 with the open source code they used to provide. But, I understand that Ambernic and Powkiddy would've just happily stole it otherwise, and with the promise to keep spare parts in the market for repair in the future, I'm very happy with it.
What games do u play
@@vidhyachan6494 atm, not much, I'm currently going through Cross Code.
"IT'S RETRO TIME!" is the only intro sequence we need for this channel.
And yet, we didn't get to see anything retro being played on the device. If this is what "retro time" is like, I don't want it.
Please do a full LTT video. This thing deserves so much attention.
The reason there's two HDMI outputs on the dock is that the Lite model doesn't support video output over USB C. There's a mini HDMI port next to the microSD card slot under the cover at the top of the device, and you use a jumper cable to go from the Odin's mini HDMI output to the micro HDMI input at the top of the dock.
If you're serious about using the Odin docked, I would at least get the Base model to avoid having to use the HDMI jumper. Mini HDMI and micro HDMI ports are not very durable, so if you're using the Lite model docked be very careful when you're unplugging/plugging in the cable.
Had a few cameras with micro HDMI. Can confirm the port sucks ass.
I own an Odin and use the d-pad a lot. I assure anyone wondering, the clickiness is very minor and inaudible. It's the perfect amount for tactile feel. It is precise and I am very happy with the d-pad. I agree with it being small though. While it hasn't presented any issues to me since using it, I think it'd be better if it were a little larger.
Hey I ordered one and does it ship with UPS or Fedex? Just asking because I am moving.
@@johnathanflores7750 I live in Australia. I don't know if that makes any difference. Mine was shipped via DHL.
I hope you enjoy your Odin. I love mine. If you like Android, it is awesome.
So, they bought a 10-port USB 3.0 hub chip and slammed a ton of devices onto it. Pretty nice design, the SATA port is a cherry on the cake
The dock is actually really smart, and the price in this is actually very competitive.
6:51 Anthony you absolute HUNK, the button colors are a reference to the Super Famicom controller! They're perfect like they are, and so are you!
probably because the NA Super Famicon didnt have these colors like the European version 🤷♂️
For those that want to know prices and not wait till the end of the video
Odin Pro: $287
Odin Base: $238
Odin Lite: $198
So cheap That it feels like its a money laundry scheme
@@the_retag that's what I thought at first lol bit then I realized it's only a mobile chip so it makes sense. Still very powerful for a mobile ship being a SD845. Definitely leagues stronger than my phone which uses SD670.
@@sloth7d526 phones go over a k
@@the_retag what's your point? Yeah they go over a k but you're acting like that's normal? Most people don't but flagships, they buy low-midrange. $200-$700.
Especially in lower income countries there are phones with SD845 that can get their cost below $400 or even $300. The DS was around $200, the switch lite is the same thing. These things aren't phones making them cheaper and trying to compare them makes zero sense.
@@sloth7d526 i wa sjist making the point that mobile processor/=/auto cheap
Got mine a week ago... and it's been impressive! I'd say I've had 80% success for GC/Wii (dolphin mmjr) and 50-60% success with PS2 (AetherSX2)... it's great! And yes, it has an active cooling fan, it will turn on in high demanding games (mostly GC/Wii/PS2 for me... have yet to test any android games)
If I wasn’t more hyped on the Deck, I would have ordered one of these. The Odin seems amazing for the price and for older 3D games and back, is a great solution.
What was your order number?
@@shepherdosterompton 58xx, Black Pro 256GB. Ordered Jan 16, Shipped Apr 8, Delivered (Canada) Apr 13.
Bummed that I ordered mine before 256gb was even an option, but oh well. Still love my 128gb
Ordered one and can't wait to get my hands on it!
Speaking about hands, is it comfortable for long gaming sessions?
With my Switch Lite, I had to get a Grip otherwise it was a pain to hold, way too slim.
Anthony: "Plastic is almost like a soft touch"
Jono: "Satin"
Linus at home: "F**king Eggshell"
soft touch plastic is horrible....
the stuff becomes tacky after a while and makes any device its on disgusting to use after a set period of time.
only solution i found is to litterally bathe and scrub the item with alcohol to get the stuff off.
When Anthony is the host u know it’s gonna be good
It’s really cool of you guys to spotlight the Odin, I’ve been waiting for you to check it out!
Even Android 9 can run almost all apps. Android apps are much more forgiving on old OS versions.
They need to be considering how inconsistent Androids are regarding whether they're getting the latest updates (aside from Pixels since they're the only ones actually made by Google).
If you don't need some crazy specific apps or newest most demanding games you will be fine with even android 7.
@@wanderingwobb6300 So that's good. I just retired my 150usd Android phone, burnt it completely for over 3.5 years. Now I use it to record voice overs and calling.
My high end Samsung Android phone that I swicthed to, on the other hand will have long long term support.
So it's great, that old Android phones have so much life. Infact my old phone can still last a fair few years if all I do is calling and social media :)
dude a way to open the dock is integrated into your reality , it s named gravity , no dlc requiered
Im still waiting for the kernel source release like they said when asked during funding. It is a great feeling device and really makes its competitors look over priced.
Same! I want that kernel, I want that root!
It would be fun to use it as a phone! I mean probably not for very long but a week just for the hell of it
@@michaelcorcoran8768 It might be, but doesn’t have a SIM card slot, so tough to do.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 If I could get one of these with a snapdragon 888 and a sim tray I'd definitely use it as a phone. It might even win me over my zfold 2. I'd prefer the handheld
Don’t they legally have to release it because of the GPL? So if they haven’t they’re breaking the law
Seeing Crab Rave after learning that it is apparently a promo for a video game is wonderful.
That price absolutely blows me away. To be fair I didn't look at the tech specs but I assumed it'd be absolute minimum $500 + 100 for system and dock, realistically closer to 700 for the whole package
It has pretty old chip - Snapdragon 845, we have a lot better options right now. I wish they made 500-600$ versions with Snapdragon 888 or Dimensity 9000 tho, those have thermal issues on the phones, but MUCH better performance, it would be perfect for something like this, they can even emulate switch games!
@@Zysperro the 845 is still totally fine. My phone still has one and its 100% still useable. Phone performance has kinda stagnated.
@@bhume7535 even the 870 is 2x the power on paper. Actual difference is about 50%, but sometimes it's crucial.
@@bhume7535 that chip only run genshin on low step it up to 870 and i will buy it in a heartbeat.
@@Zysperro 50% is huge thats my upgrade reference point
When Anthony said he was going to test the speakers I was like “LOL yeah ok” and then I was super impressed. A lot of effort went into this thing.
Ok, the dock is actually cooler than the device, honestly.
it has a freaking sata connection
Yeah, I have android emulators and controls with Kishi already, but I don't have a dock like that.
I wonder if it's exclusive to this handheld or if I could use it with other devices
One extra thing I found is that it's capable of game streaming so you can also play real AAA titles like Witcher cyberpunk horizon you get the point. The dock is freaking SICK would definitely but in replacement of having multiple consoles.
7:19 They didn't "just keep the colors" for Xbox because they're literally using the Nintendo colors from the Super Famicom, along with the Nintendo placement from the Super Famicom. Almost like it will be emulating Super Famicom games, with color-coded buttons, and they wanted them to match.
Calm down man, the American version is purple, that's why he didn't know.
@@Chipmunkboy I'm American and had _several_ EU-colored controllers growing up, on top of games that used those colors. I'm not sure that's an excuse.
When I heard him say that I was like "OH MY GOD ANTHONY! NO!"
@@Blutzen it could have been like 28 years since he last played a SNES game why would he remember such a minute detail
@@Chipmunkboy Anthony is LTT's resident retro gamer. He's done reviews on Retrons and talks about Retro-pi. It has not been 28 years since he's played a SNES game.
Every time I see an overview of this thing I'm blown away. I just always forget something that it has cause it has SO MANY FEATURES. I love this thing so much
Judging from past WAN Show I guess it's more like "we lost half our writing stuff and Linus time" xD
Always great to see you Anthony!
Think we will see the effects from that in the next couple weeks
Those button colors are actually a reference to the Super Famicom controller
Love how more and more handled gaming devices are coming out
Steam deck can't and won't be a failure, since their main goal was exactly this, to bring competition in the market
This came out much before the deck
@@bulletpunch9317 it came after the announcement though
@@orlandofurioso7329 right, but a working unit was shown by taki udon before that.
@@bulletpunch9317 true, they both were prototypes at the time
@@orlandofurioso7329 yeah looks like taki udons reveal of odin was a few months earlier than deck announcement. Odin is an evolution of the other various chinese handhelds, just by an unknown company.
Nice ending, Anthony. You emphasize the convenience of being able to have fun, over the raw computing power being the key to having fun. I’ll still take my 3DS out, even though I have a Switch. The games are still fun, and the New 3DS is arguably the most ergonomic and well-made, self-preserving handheld there is.
Idk about this I remember the 3ds being the og crab claw console and the new 3ds made it so much worse
11:54
Minecraft: *Java Edition* is the horribly unoptimized version, Minecraft: Bedrock (all current console, mobile, and Win10 Edition/Win10 Store) are compiled from the same codebase, -C#- C++ and run _way_ better. So still, you are actually not pushing it to the max, due to how beautifully optimized the mobile edition is.
Came here to say this. Bedrock Edition is actually programmed in C++ though, not C#
mobile isn't beautifully optimized, java is just neglected by M$
Aren't most things on Android running Java anyway?
I was about to say the same thing. Bedrock is _definitely_ optimized and runs quite well on low-powered devices. C'mon now, Anthony!
@@aprofondir android is Java, but i don't think all apps necessarily are
This device is frankly the only one I recommend for retro gaming.
2:59 "it feels satiny" somewhere Linus is yelling about eggshell
2:23 that UGREEN charger also has the usb port purple....
"Why is this dock so good?! Why does it have so much I/O?!"
Three words - Windows For ARM. Try loading Windows on it (there's a port already available) and loading Steam on it. Not joking.
14:30 if you hold your phone sideways it would sound so much more stereo!
Would have been nice to see how the screen protector fit on the device
it really would've. I see no reason why he should've destroyed it. They didn't even make a bit out of it and show the footage of him being dared, so it was a complete waste...
From what I've seen in other reviews and on the Odin subreddit, it fits extremely well. Edge-to-edge, no gaps.
For anyone wondering about the button colors; that's the same button pattern Japanese/European SNES controllers used. The fact they went for the Nintendo layout instead of the more common Xbox layout is interesting, to say the least.
Fact check time! Button layout, lettering and colours are far from cursed - they’re ripped directly from the Japanese/European SNES controller.
The ayn odin does not use the xbox layout. It uses the snes layout from nintendo. It is obvious if you think about it. They are trying to mimic retro nintendo handhelds in a switch form factor.
That dock got my more excited than the actual device 🤯🤣
One of the coolest things is Odin supports windows on snapdragon 845. So you can install windows 10 on it and play some PC games
dude the ayn odin deserves its own review. Anthony you really havent scratched the surface of what the odin is capable of
You can install Windows 10 for ARM on this and play actual PC games with Steam and x86 emulation on ARM. You can play Tomb Raider 2016 on this. It's a mini-SteamDeck but on ARM!
7:00 The colours of the ABYX buttons are based off the EU SNES controller and the "New 3DS". Still a bit odd though
They're likely going with Nintendo colors due to the GC ports on the back, similar to how the analog triggers have that little area at the very end where you have to press harder, like the GC controller.
It's not too odd, everyone who bought this device are going to use it for emulation anyways and we all know it's mostly Nintendo games that people are likely to emulate which this layout is perfect for.
I think the Steam Deck docking station is made with some form of portability in mind in case you don't have another powered USB-C hub. It would be much easier to have a SATA to USB enclosure that costs $10 (and that doesn't need screws, is easier to replace and can be used with all compatible devices) than to travel with that kind of full featured dedicated dock of that shape.
Please don't get me wrong, I still think it's a cool dock but it's probably not intended for carry.
I wonder if a third part would develop a Steam Deck dock that has a SATA enclosure built in.
That explains the story thing with the bent screen protector from a week ago, I thought Anthony broke the console!
Wonder how hard it would be to crack open and swap the buttons around.... I assume they've all got those notches that prevent the builders from putting them in wrong but thats not hard to modify if the depth is the same on all 4.
Anthony. The biggest question wasn't asked: If you removed the plastic front screen cover, would the Steam Deck plug into that and work properly? Like, 64/Cube controller ports AND the drive bay?
The S.D. is likely too thick
No
You'd have to plug it in upside-down I think
So a few quick corrections; The Odin Lite, Base and Pro will actually all come with a 6,000mah battery (apparently it turned out cheaper for AYN to do it this way). The “cursed” controller layout does not matter so much as you can set the controller to mimic a Xbox controller layout in the settings, so despite what the buttons say, they behave under the standard layout. A significant issue with the dock is that it does not automatically map controllers plugged into the dock, so these need to be manually changed when you use the dock and then manually changed back to the Odin when your done using the dock.
Useful to know there are currently community projects to port windows and Linux to this device. Windows 11 does successfully run on it and has some compatibility with windows gaming. Games of note, Hades, Skyrim and Rimworld. Current efforts are looking to dual booting compatibility.
This thing looks awesome. I love the idea of retro gaming handhelds, but never can justify buying one that's so narrowly focused. This looks like it would be great for that pluss gamepass, steamlink, etc. Especially for the price. Hope to see maybe a full LTT review on this one. Maybe a full comparison on handhelds for emulation and game streaming.
0:52 he's got shiny glass shards on his shirt immediately after breaking the glass 😂
when you popped the back off that my jaw dropped because what I saw is what all docks honestly need I know the steam deck has large drives on the ready and SD card slots but I will always gladly add an additional spinning disk or SATA SSD to a system if that part of it isn't for portability, will they release a version that's strictly the dock and is there a way to install Linux on it so you can make it just an all-around PC?
it's a snapdragon 845 soc, meaning it's just a normal phone processor based on arm (though still a really capable one)
you could theoretically get linux on this thing if you want, but it'd be a stripped down arm based OS, not all that helpful
It can run windows but it drops performance running windows
@@julianputnam8290 no it cannot
@@raeedibnzaman1 yes it can run windows
The Snapdragon 845 has very good Linux mainline support (wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Snapdragon_845_(SDM845)). It should be possible to port it, even though that's probably still a lot of work.
Facts: The ABXY buttons's colors are from the Super Famicom controller! The locations are also on that same controller, but they're also used on the Wii (Classic Controller), Wii U and Switch This means that it's more like the Nintendo trademark location.
The weird face button color scheme is from the Super Famicom/ European SNES
Yellow A, red B, green Y and blue X
I have to agree the steam dock should have the hard drive bay please
This dock is awesome, I was actually more excited about it that the device itself 🤣
Dude this is THE definitive review for this thing. This covered it all and I’m absolutely sold.
The AYN Odin is honestly the best handheld for most people tbh, it’s able to play all of the great android games (although there is not that much), and more importantly, can play emulators very well like wii and ps2. It’s also small enough to fit in a (big?) pocket
I have an SD855 based Samsung phone and it doesn't handle PS2 via AtherSX all that well honestly so yeah I perosnally wouldn't be running PS2 on the Odin any time soon. So for me the Steam Deck is still the better option at $400 for the BAse model which is honestly all you require for Emulation purposes with all your roms on an sd card.
@@Montisaquadeis steam deck is kinda irrelevant until someone can actually buy it
I guess its pointless lol you can just buy a normal phone for 350$ and boom you have a phone and latest ans greatest performance
@@alexdavis9324 What are you on? People have been buying it left and right and I have seen plenty out in the wild NOT just in the hands of Techtubers like LTT/MKBHD and similar
You honestly want an SD865 or newer for PS2 emulation
the Enthusiasm and the excitement on Anthony's voice while reviewing this makes me want to buy it even though i don't play retro games
If I wanted a device like this, this one looks like a VERY viable option! I'm genuinely impressed at that audio quality and the dock seems to me to be a really clever extra at an actually pretty reasonable price.
Cheers Anthony, nice to see the Odin getting some more mainstream attention. It ticked my boxes for a retro gaming handheld and eventually ... it will arrive.
This handheld is compatible with Windows on ARM as the website says. I would like to see a video trying that out.
Natively compatible on windows?
I believe purple USB A means higher amperage than standard USB A allows for, e.g. higher than ~3 amps (at 5 volt). It’s usually found on power inverters/chargers and not on cables from my experience, though.
Edit: Looks like purple USB-A plugs don’t exist as a standard plug (or port) color. They’re therefore used proprietarily by manufacturers, often being the equivalent to a Teal USB-A (3.1) plug speed wise, and may be able to handle additional amperage, especially in the case of HUAWEI SuperCharge compatible plugs.
That Dock has got to be the best selling feature for all retro gamers, I mean those connections are superb. The console itself is also impressive
When he broke the screen protector he broke my heart.
Cons of the dock: system can overheat when docked, as the rear fan gets completely cut off. Those GameCube ports are upside-down, which means you can't use the WaveBird wireless controllers (good luck making that fit right upside-down). May be coming in a future firmware update, but the 4K HDMI out does not work at all on either of my 2 TVs or 4K monitor (tried 4 different cables. Hopefully not a defect of my dock. 1080p port works just fine).
Some TV's have a setting called "hdmi ultra deep color" or "HDMI UHD color" in the display settings and you might have to turn it on or off. That might get it to work.
@@Justin-xq3ip Appreciate the reply for info! Unfortunately, I have neither of those on my TVs (HDMI 2.1), nor on my 4K PC monitor. I'm beginning to lean more on the issue that I might have a defective dock.
Could you use a wavebird by creating a "riser" under the dock? It's ugly but might be a quick and cheap solution
@@th3oryO I'm probably just going to break into it and gut it, put it into my own 3D printed case (with a fan), and see if I cant put all the ports on the front, and USBs on the side.
For more in depth, you should check out Taki udon. Especially in retro handhleds and ETA prime in emulation
RETRO TIME!!! Without playing any retro games 😵💫
You can dock the switch with that perfect dock .
That dock is amazing, I completely hope valve's dock is serviceable when it launches, that top usb c will be an issue though
i like the top usb-c. When i use my deck, the charging cable doesn't get in the way like it does with the switch.
I think there is reason to not put the steam deck upside down while docked
@@ethan-fel It is better for handheld use, not so much for hooking up to displays
Also, consider that when using the Odin on the dock, the fan is relatively blocked. Even when you run this device in "sport mode" consider heating issues when running intensive games. Ayn should have considered making a fan opening into the dock to better facilitate air flow.
I have the Odin handheld in my hands currently and it is an amazing device in case anybody is wondering
Channels like yours always makes me wanna buy more of these handheld consoles.
I have an Odin, you missed the part that it has two built-in overclocking modes you can switch to on the fly which activate the fan. This can emulate up to Wii and PS2 games. And arguably is better than the Deck for cloud gaming with it's real 1080p screen / battery battery life and more comfortable form factor as opposed to the Deck's max 1280x800 resolution.
Lol
However you can emulate Wii U and lighter PS3 titles on the steam deck while on the Odin it's not even an option.
@@bedrockanarchyrealm2762 it's also twice as heavy, twice as expensive, twice as big and has way less battery life.
@@bedrockanarchyrealm2762 So? It also doesn't chug battery, weigh a ton, and require a backpack to transport it.
Two different use cases
@@vicariouschism86 True, for Wii and lower the Odin Is just better, however the Deck allows you to do way more than just emulate and if you are using the deck just for emulation I don't think it's that worth it unless you really want to play a certain Wii U, PS3 or Yuzu game. Two different use cases for sure.
I've seen the Odin from a lot of youtubers but this is the first time I've seen the dock covered and wow! Its actually amazing!
I wonder if that dock works for other devices, like the Steam Deck and the Switch. Cause if it does then its definitely epic.
I'm pretty sure I've seen people say that it works with the Switch.
Yes it works with the Switch
Man I was looking up LTT and could've sworn this video was on there, thank god it showed up on the feed!
It’s been a while since the last Retro Time. Hopefully we get more of these in the near future.
If this dude put just a 1/10 of the time he plays video games into working out he would be so much healthier.
9:21 i disagree i think one more usb port is much more useful because you could use it for extra storage or something else.
Sata is more useful because it's like 10 times the speed
@@pilotavery I don't think that really matters that much for game library.
@@pilotavery also Like they could add usb 3.1 port which is faster than sata if i remember correctly.
@@oplkfdhgk the actual throughput in sequential is actually faster on USB 3.1, but it's much much slower for hard drives because of the latency of the controller.
USB is only faster when copying large files, when a program requests to read a file there's a much larger delay though before it starts reading it so it's actually slower when you're booting off of it, like 100 times slower.
Okay an all round good device with no obvious faults AND an awesome not overpriced dock? I didn't even know I need a new handheld but this intrigued me.
I really wanna know if that Dock could work with a Nintendo switch. That would be very Interesting
Almost definitely not. Nintendo made their dock proprietary and although they use usb-c on the switch, they did not follow USB-C protocol in terms of power delivery. Even the 3rd-party Switch Docks have to have boards in them specific to the Switch, and I highly doubt Ayn would go to the added expense of allowing their dock to be used with another console.
@@LaLuneEstJolie This isnt true, it works fine with the switch. ruclips.net/video/DONASNbWSnc/видео.html
Scratch that, it works, saw Bob Wulff’s video. Time to go eat my words 😅
it does
Anthony: It's retro handheld time!
Me: It's Anthony time!
This thing is really cool, there’s people on the internet that hace turned the ODIN into a budget steam deck by installing windows on it and pc games. The problem with that though, is that the battery duration decreases a lot.
Instead there's Steam Link, but needs network connection that is reliable enough to keep streaming in....
Yo, the colours of the buttons of the controller are the exact same as my New3DSXL, which I found pretty cool.
What was the point of breaking a screen protector?
Missed out on the fact you can install windows 10 and windows 11, as well as the fact that you can change the fan speed and it helps with keeping the chip set cool for playing games longer or on high settings.
will android still run if you have windows installed?
@@kreamkid275 ruclips.net/video/cppIppR7WnI/видео.html. Check out this link to see how Windows 11 runs on the Ayn Odin, also check out Eta Prime as he runs Windows 10 on it as well
Instead of comparing it to the steam deck or switch, you should compare it to a phone with controller attached.
Can your phone run Linux or Windows 11? Both the Odin and the Steamdeck can.
That's the big problem to me with these devices. There are already tons of Snapdragon 845 based phones in the world, and you can get network locked ones for next to nothing to use as a dedicated gaming handheld if you want
@@jomeyqmalone Plus for that price you can get smartphone with better specs.
I got Xaomi Poco X3 pro with SDG860 for the same price.
@@Sevent77 I think you are missing the point, your poco X3 may be faster, but it won't be able to sustain that performance for longer as it doesn't have any cooling.
This device can sustain it's performance for longer, and with it's built-in overclocking, it can perform closer to 855-865 at expense of battery.
Running 845 has some pros as well, windows and Linux support this chip, so you can install those OS as well
@@thelookofdisapproval8234 And I think you're overestimated what this 845 oc can do, for one the 845 GPU runs at 787 while 860 runs at 750 so it is slightly faster but the 860 has more computing units not to mention other specs that make the 860 superior.
And while true that my X3 will thermal throttle that's not a big issue as both devices will power throttle sooner since both CPU and GPU are on the same chip
So the only time when you'll see the boosted GPU speed is if the CPU runs at less than 20%, anything higher and the GPU will be starved for power and forced to dowclock.
845 is in that weird spot where it has barely enough power to run some PS2, GC games but far too much power to run everything else, so that oc and active cooling aren't fully taken advantage of IMHO.
"I want that!" - Bobby Duke Arts
Anthony, there is an FPS overlay you can enable in the Android admin panel. Also, Steam Link is amazing... I wish you demoed it on this beast!