Nope. Series console are not using bcpack, SFS, direct ml, mesh shading and amd fidelity fx. All combined it is a plus 200% framerate on a game (at least). Sfs saves ram and ram amount is the weak point of SS vs OX.
FSR is available to use on Series games, but it'll depend on the devs if they want to. AMD will offer driver level support for FSR some time this year, which it'll be up to Microsoft to implement or not. Did you mean Series consoles are using, or haven't started using those features? Making sure to clarify as SFS is an option on Series consoles, but not sure if it is being used or not yet.
@@BusyDadGaming they are not using it yet; the only features that are currently used are vrs on 3 games and 1 or 2 games uses bcpack compression. No other features are already utilized. It will blow peoples mind when it will be used. Even the matrix does not use any of it.
I have it and love it Maybe I will get the Series X one day but I will have to buy a 4k tv $$$$$ a lot of money for a family There is a market for the series S Like on PC not everyone have the latest gpu
I just got my Series S and a simple SSD for extra storage. Wow am I blown away. I'm coming from a Xbox One S digital. On my 50in TV this console is amazing and it fits my daily life. I don't game as much do to work and kids. I wanted the Series X but due to unavailability plus a lot of research the Series S actually was a better buy for me.
Was this the Seagate SSDs that are meant to be compatible, or a different external one, trying to work out if you can buy an external SSD from another manufacturer and still works with the quick resume etc?
Quick Resume will only work with the internal storage and the Seagate expandable storage card. External USB SSDs it comes down to USB requirement, speed options, but they don't have to be from Seagate. If you want to see drives that are specifically for Xbox, there are drives that show Compatible with Xbox on the box. Don't have to, but something to look at as well.
@@tacticalbt1023 Was only thinking about buying an Xbox series S and the only concern was the amount of storage considering some titles are pushing 100-150 GB, was thinking about how much of an issue this could become in a few years .
I’m a 32 year old dad with a 1 year old son, I work from home and I take online classes. I bought my Series S second hand for $200. I absolutely love it, with the game pass and how much time I realistically get to play. The series s is perfect for me. And I have 55” TCL 4K that the series s optimizes. So now I watch all of my streaming services on it. I do want to buy the sea gate memory…. Eventually, that price is to steep considering what I paid for the console. But it’s awesome, so far no complaints on my end I love it, worth the money and I get to play Next gen games on a pretty powerful little console.
That's awesome and I'm glad you're enjoying it! At this point in the generation, you can get an external SSD for any non-Series games so you can leave the internal storage for Series specific games or features.
It's a solid next gen console. Microsoft knew exactly what they were doing. i think. It's a perfect game pass machine, it still plays older games and often times better than orginal hardware! I love the compact size too. It looks dope af in my tv stand and honestly a PS5 or series x would not look as good with my setup (that's not really a selling point tech wise but it's small enough comparatively that its something to consider if space is an issue)
Great points, and it's def a smaller form factor which many really are enjoying. I've seen where people are using as their travel console because it's smaller and lighter than other potential options.
Very true. The S looks great! I have to admit when the X was revealed, I was underwhelmed at the design. Then the S was revealed! Wow! What an improvement! It fits in my TV stand so much better than the X. I did put a skin on my S. It looks similar to the Halo 5 XBOX Edition. Too bad MS didn’t come out with a Halo Infinite S edition. They still could and I wish they would but the skin I found does a good job.
I see the Series S maintaining popularity throughout this generation. The reason.. its a crowd pleaser... Parents not wanting to spend out on the fully powered X version... It gets the job done well and with gamepass is a family friendly lounge console... I am a PC User but wanted a secondary device to play all the gamepass titles not on PC, some sofa co-op and get my kids involved with Minecraft etc... I didn't want to pay next Gen prices just to fill that void when I already own a powerful PC. That's why the S is such a winner.. It appeals to a wide audience for different reasons... I love mine... but the kids love it even more 😆
I agree, it'll def be the mainstream box for this generation. Sony would have been smart to do something similar rather than just produce a PS5 w/o a disc drive. It's a great console and I'm glad your kids are enjoying it more! Lol
its 4 teraflops makes it more powerful than any phone in the planet, any tablet, and its more powerful than the m1 chip with the Xbox series s 4 teraflops so its really powerful still do you agree as well ?
I had the series s. Was definitely 10x better than the Xbox one x I was using. The only issue I had with the series s was it would sometimes freeze up on me which wasn’t a major issue. I ended up buying a series x when I found one in stock and honestly there isn’t to much of a difference the series x definitely has way better graphics but the performance I would say is about the same which is absolutely mind blowing.
I will says this the series s is hands down a great buy. You get nex gen console for a relative cheap price. I upgraded from a base Xbox one to the series s and was blown away with how well this console performs. I gave a test on certain games to see if I could notice a difference in the performance and looks of it. Imo it's ran 100 times better than the base Xbox one. I I tried gtav on it was blown away with how fast the game loads. It took literally seconds compared to minutes to load it. I tried red dead two and it's look better than before and ran better. I'm still on the same TV as when I had the Xbox one and noticed a difference right away. No man's sky ran exceptionally better on it and was kinda bad on base Xbox one. Imo it's a great system minus the small storage space but I can work with it and I don't think it will be obselete any time soon but I will upgrade to the series x one day when they become more available
Upgrading from the OG Xbox One to a Series S will be pretty jarring. It's a pretty big jump between the two consoles. It isn't as drastic moving from the Series S to the Series X in the same way, but you will see better framerates.
As much as it is financially painful, I got the Seagate drive which gave it a much-needed life boost to it -especially because of Gamepass. Although I own a Series X, which is connected to a 75" 4K, I find myself playing the Series S on a gaming chair on a monitor (1440p, 144Hz). While I also use my PC, I still find it easier to just pick up and start playing with the S. I also agree that game streaming may be a game-changer. Only time will tell.
It's so handy when you have your console hooked up to the rig you're using a PC on, if you're able. I did that for quite a while until I got the TV in the office.
@@TJzWayyy I have no problems setting the Series S. But i will say that too few games actually run at native 1440p in 120Hz. Most are either 60 (quality) or downscaled to meet 120fps (performance). Hopefully they’ll optimize more games, even if they are from last generation.
I just hope they prioritize 60 fps over all else. Lower the resolution, lower the graphics, do whatever is needed to hit 60 for the rest of the generation. Just don't unlock the framerate for a stuttery 30-45 fps and call it performance mode like PS4 Pro did.
If Devs could make sure their games run at a locked 60fps in Series S throughout the console's lifetime, even if that meant the resolution dips a little below 1080p, then Series S is really worth it. But with the recent game DyingLight2 running at only 1080p30 on Series S, that doesn't seem to be happening(Maybe, that's because the developer didn't try to optimise it for current gen consoles as they were also developing for last gen consoles. Whatever!)
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of how poorly optimized the Series S version was of Dying Light 2. One of the devs said it was the GPU that was holding them back, and then proceeded to get lambasted for the comment since we've already seen more demanding games hit 1080/60 already. As you mentioned, I'm sure they switch mid-cycle to make this game a cross-gen game rather than a last-gen game and as a result, didn't have enough time/expertise to get it running where it needed to be. Hell, even the Series X version on Quality and RT modes are pretty low resolutions and stuck at 30hz.
Coming off of my base PS4 my Series S that I got this Christmas from my wife and kids is a huge upgrade IMO. I’ll get a Series X or PS5 in 2025 when they are readily available (fingers crossed) or cheaper whichever comes first.
That's awesome and I'm glad you're enjoying it! Yeah, that'll def be a big upgrade for you and by 2025 I'm sure we'll have something in line compared to today, lol.
Only thing I want is just be able to play 60fps on AAA games for years down the line. 30fps is unplayable for me. I played arkham asylum on ps5 a while back and I got a genuine headache from it every time within 2 hours of playtime
I'm glad they are upgrading games to use 60fps. Devs that don't hit that on Series S really comes down to a lack of optimization. As we see the cross-gen timeframe lapse, we'll see what the Series S is really capable of.
I just recently picked up a Series S after my Xbox One died, my Xbox one wasn't one of the later models it was release console so the jump was amazing and I think I won't be replacing my Series S this generation
No! One reason is MS’s movement to Cloud based gaming which is independent of any specific equipment. In fact, it may be that the SX and SS are the end of the line for consoles. As I understand it Cloud gaming will use your phone, tablet, console, desktop computer, laptop, etc. to play the game without having to download it. That list also includes Apple hardware as well.
Cloud gaming is def a great way forward, but it'll take quite a while to get the latency under control. It's decent for anything non-twitch based, but def has a ways to go. I'm looking forward to that for sure, as Stadia and GeForce Now are currently better when it comes to streaming, but I'm sure MS will be shoring that up sooner than later.
@@BusyDadGaming Perhaps, but the intent of MS is to become hardware independent. I think the S and X may very well be the end of the console road and I think that’s a good thing. First, it means the S/X consoles are going to be useful for a very long time. Second, it will mean that people will be able to use what they have rather than having to shell out more 💵 just to play a game.
No, disc drives are old news and NOT the future of gaming. Series S if anything will become more popular I think. This is not a disc age, its a digital age. Eventually backwards compatability will not need to go so far back as we move forward, and I think they will begin to phase out disc drives all together. Appreciate the video.
I agree for this price point. I don't see it getting a disc drive any time soon (or ever in this current generation). I do see more storage and potential spec bump, with the latter being more likely around the 3 year mark. I appreciate you watching!
I think Microsoft will do a mid-cycle upgrade at some point where we will have a more powerful version of the S than original X & an even more powerful X. And even then, because of Gamepass & cloud gaming, the original Series S will still be viable.
I bet we see a refresh of the Series S for sure. The Series X will be the interesting one, but I hope we get a more powerful version. Regardless, Series consoles will have a lot of legs this generation.
@@BusyDadGaming Definitely. I think the series consoles will outlive the lifespan of the Xbox One consoles. But the echo system is where Microsoft wants to be. I just started playing on PC & it was so easy & convenient.
If they do that They either just put disk drive and give the console 1tb of ssd storage and then like call it a day, other than that I don't that many improvements since the onsole already has loading times and fast fps than say the OG Xbox one, like they will just do that.
A friend recently gave me his Xbox One after he got the Xbox One X as a gift. It's my first xbox console, and so far, I've been loving it! Seeing the number of cross-generational titles coming out, I haven't yet really felt the pressure to upgrade. I know that there will be more native Series X/S games in the online store that I cannot play, but so far, I've only run into one. I don't know if its strange to say that I don't feel like even the base xbox one is obsolete yet. But I do feel that way. Can it Play Halo Infinite with no trouble? Yeah. Is it going to be just fine for the new Fable game and whatever they have planned next for Gears? Also probably yes. And if the xbox one isn't obsolete yet, then the series s has years ahead of itself!
The OG Xbox One is def showing it's age, but it can still play what's coming out today (which is impressive). It'll start to be left behind later this year, and we'll see it even more next year. By 2024 I see cross-gen no longer being an issue and that'll be the latest you'll want to upgrade. At which time, we may finally see the supply issues ease up.
I gotta say I got a ps5 and it collects dust. Because game pass is such a good deal and quick resume is AMAZING . PS5 don't have either of those. Plus halo infinite and forza 5 are fun
@@bobbymiller5297 100% agree and in the same boat. I force myself to buy PS5 games just to justify playing it. My PS4 Pro literally now my son's fortnite machine...literally (even when it runs better on his S...weird). My Series X and son's Series S are constantly used because of gamepass (forza, minecraft, halo infinite and anything else we feel like checking out)..and we go online with NBA 2k22. Hell, the One X and One S still get used by the other kids with...you guessed it...GAMEPASS. Either way, we found out just recently that his Vizio can do 1080p 120hz with the Series S which makes this little machine beyond clutch. It ain't going anywhere for a long time to come.
@@bigcee24 I agree with everything you said. Game pass has so many decent games and their always adding new good games to it. It's such a good deal and such a variety of games. And then with quick resume on the series x/S is so nice. You can switch games so fast and it stays right where you left off. I litterly yesterday just put my ps5 in my closet. Was taking up room and not using it and it was getting all dust inside vents. I use my xbox all time instead
Considering that they are still making Xbox one games in 2022 and 2023, I cannot see the series S been left behind this year. In the latter of the fact, I eventually see both Sony and Microsoft going full digital within the next generation or two. Perhaps with the option to the consumer to buy a separate portable disk drive that is adaptable to either format. And to double down with you on the bundles, that’s more common place with a lot of retailers as well. For example, GameStop. Now the series S has a pretty much escaped the grasp of the scalpers finally. They have calm down with that system and it’s readily available on store shelves in most areas. But as for the series X and the PS5, they have this way of packaging these systems in bundles because apparently scalpers do not like bundles. GameStop constantly changes these bundles out, and the fluctuation of the value changes constantly. So it actually screws up the numbers for the scalpers and their automated systems and robot moderators. This past month, they released the PlayStation 5 with Call Of Duty: Vanguard and an extra controller. The series X, they released with a second controller, 3 Months of Game Pass Ultimate, and a $50 GameStop gift card. And of course, they are doing the same treatment with the series S, two controllers and a gift card for $50. But they are also extending the 3 months of game pass ultimate to 6 months eventually. Makes a little bit of sense, since you get everything digital I don’t have a disc drive to keep playing with.
I'd totally be ok to having the option of an add on optical drive. I personally went digital years ago, but having the option for people would be awesome.
@@BusyDadGaming Even for the 20th anniversary of Xbox, they did a temporary, limited bundle package for a Series S that came with a full year of game pass ultimate and a $100 gift card. So you know, there’s always going to be bundles. And with Microsoft buying out Activision’s Blizzard and Bethesda, I would not be surprised to see some voucher coupons of digital copies to those games to come packaged/ bundled with the Series S.
For sure. I have seen bundle packages quite a bit with the Series S rather than price reductions. Game Pass I've seen being bundled quite a bit, which is really awesome.
Nice vaild points brought to the table hear.... I got a s jue to not being able to pick up a xsx but the time will come when stock it good and i will get it but no joke i play pubg have since xbox drop in 2017 ive played the game on the og xbox with ssd and xbox x and series s and without a doubt it runs alot smoother on the series than a xbox x if i chucked say 5 smokes down on the xbox x if u stood in the middle of that smoke id loose frame at when its at 30fps to loose 5-10 frames is a massive deal but dont get the problem atall on the series s i wont even mention og xbox about it lol.... Series s plays pubg at 1440p at 60fps and am happy as the 60fps mode on the xbox x on my monitor had very bad shading issues
Games that are more open world natured typically perform better on the Series S than the One X, but anything more linear will typically perform better on the One X. Just depends on the use case and what you value more, fidelity or frame rate.
Even if it became obsolete a few years down the road it's still an excellent emulator machine for 300 bucks. No device on the market today can match for that price.
To make a proper analysis on the performance of the Series S we need to see next gen only games for the Series X and S, because at the moment with these cross gen games it's too hard to tell. From what I've seen, it's a neat little machine and decent for the price, but you get what you pay for. A lot of games won't even run at 60fps which in my opinion is unacceptable for this generation. Now, whether that's a fault of the developer or the console itself, I'm not entirely sure, but the fact that those same games run at 60fps on the Series X says it's most probably the hardware. Digital Foundry have shown many videos comparing the differences between the two and it does fall flat in a lot of games, but again, these are cross gen games so lets wait and see how it performs with newer ones.
I agree, we'll start to see what the box is really capable of once cross-gen is no longer a thing and advanced dev toolsets are more readily used (SFS, FSR, etc.). As it stands today, a lot of it comes down to the devs either not optimizing (which to be fair, that's a lot of hardware to optimize for), or didn't have enough time (and usually both).
At least Guardians of the Galaxy received a patch allowing an up to 60fps mode. I suppose its an admission that 30fps wasn't good enough on a next gen console by the developer.
Hello, I love your videos. I am contemplating whether or not to upgrade from my Xbox one X to get a series s I know on paper it doesn’t look as much of an upgrade. I am a casual gamer I do like madden, halo infinity in Forza and a few other games. Would it be a worthy upgrade or should I just sit tight and wait. I think the ass is a neat little system it has a lot to offer I do have Game Pass. Just having a hard time deciding if it’s worth it or not. I do have a 4K television 65 inch but it does not have 120 refresh.
Thanks! If you have a One X, I'd actually stick with it until the Series X is more readily available. The only caveat is if there's a Series only game you can't wait for, then maybe a Series S as a secondary console.
Just adding my opinion here and I personally believe it to be better than the one x I've owned all previous consoles and right out the gate the series s does indeed out perform the one x!!
Really depends on what you value. If you want higher fidelity graphics, the One X will be the better option. If you want higher frame rates or faster loading, the Series S is the better option.
I bought the Series S as my first console. I'm a PC gamer, until I bricked my GPU just recently and sold off the rest of my PC hardware. Considering how much more expensive components are in my region, especially GPU, I went for the S! Good bang for the buck; it's sold at 400USD here. I don't care much for the graphics and performance tradeoffs at that price point.
Consumers need educating. Reading is a huge factor in determining your buying decisions. MS and gaming development is driving towards cloud gaming. The S forces players to stay subscribed to Ultimate game pass. THINK of your internet modem. YOUR internet service provider gives you a modem. They charge you monthly fees. YOU justify your investment by consuming ample amounts of content, buying movies, subscribing to more TV channels etc. The S is the hub to satisfy your needs to stay distracted, you might keep a couple of games on board, but have the freedom to explore many more games in the cloud without the need to think about storage. The X still has a disc drive because they want to keep earning revenue from hard copies of titles still out there as it equals royalties to developers. THE option of backwards compatibility is their way to remain sustainable. Planned obsolescence is a real thing. But I think this should be more a conversation about forcing people to keep buying new consoles. With all the advancements in chips and motherboards. Why can't consumers be encouraged to keep their consoles pristine, so when it comes time to upgrade, MS will install a new motherboard and I/Os to current Gen specs? New industrial design for new consoles are exciting when they are these limited editions, made in smal quantities and dor novelty. That's cute. But even the X can adopt modularity easily. If all these are, are hubs to access cloud games anyways what does it matter ?
Makes sense and it'll be interesting to see if we do see a console refresh mid-gen like we did last time. I'm sure MS wants to delineate between PC and Console and making it that modular could be a challenge and potentially eat into each other. That may be something that AMD/Nvidia (depending on who provides the graphics) wouldn't agree to. A lot of nuances and some great points made.
I almost bought one. Just wasn't for me though. There is definitely a market for it though. For me, I was between a series s or some version of the Switch. Last Xbox I had was 360. Last Nintendo was Wii. Currently have a PS4 with many disc games so I am still planning on PS5 at some point. I would have gotten the S but I ultimately just chose the Switch Lite to tide me over for awhile. I feel like between my PS4 and the series S, I'm not missing much besides frame rate and that's not enough for me to justify buying an Xbox. But there's definitely a market for it and it shows. Doesn't hurt that it's pretty much always available everywhere.
Makes total sense. MS increased Series S production since Series X is so constrained right now and the Xbox One era is no longer in production. It really does come down to what makes the most sense for someone and will they enjoy it. Switch Lite for you sounded like what you'd enjoy the most and that's awesome!
@@BusyDadGaming I think so too. I have a 2 1/2 year old so I plan on using it for a few years and then passing it down to him. Can't go wrong with that. I may get Series S down the road for my spare bedroom and to play Forza and such. It's such a good price.
It will certainly be an error from microsoft to not support the serie s user wich is probably 80% of the xbox users because of that pandemic and mostly because of ppl like me that serie X was just not available and didn’t have the time to wait or trying to find the console at the exact perfect moment … Im a mid 30’ user working over 50h per weeks 2 kids and usual gamer in between 2 kids demands I can play just enought to release the stress of the weeks, I really liking my seris s probably the best console I bought atm, and cheap enought to not break the bank
Got my 55" and series x stolen 2 weeks ago. as a substitute i bought a 45" and a series s. both tvs where 4k 60fps. new tv is just a bit smaller. in my humble opinion to thus far there is no difference in visuals between the series s and x.
@@BusyDadGaming ill probaby buy a series x again and a 55" in a year or two after ive saved up again. this time i'll make sure to take out insurance on it lol.
@@BusyDadGaming haha yeah it does. my mom felt it far worse her laptop and computer got stolen with all her work documents on it. at the end of the day im just thankfull none of us got hurt. they robbed us during the day when we where all at work.
Also the Series S is more available simply because you can fit more chips on a single silicon waffer. It will most likely always be more widely available given that fact
I'm not sure what the ratio is between the SS and SX, but that's def the main reason for the increased availability. The other piece is that it just requires less components overall, which I'm sure also contributes.
No chance will the XBSS outsell the XBSX if both were side by side in shops with unlimited stock. The buyer will save up more or extend one's budget to scoop the big brother console simply down to it's future proofing hardware and upcoming games that will need to compete against the hardware of the PS5. Gamers that have purchased the XBSS have done so because they are no XBSX on the selves. It's not a bad purchase at all and priced perfectly, but answer this - would you still get a XBSS if Game Pass wasn't there to utilise on a monthly basis? That's the saving grace for it in my opinion.
MS stopped talking about console sales a long time ago, but I bet the One S actually outsold the other versions of the Xbox One era. I have zero stats about that, but that's what I gather reading analysts and various other things. Mainstream audiences typically don't think about future proofing (54% of the U.S. doesn't have a 4K TV and only upgrade every 8 to 10 years). With the Series S being able to stream Series X shards also creates more opportunity for that audience segment to increase the time they can keep their consoles. I do agree that if it weren't for Game Pass, the Series S wouldn't be as valuable as it was.
@@BusyDadGaming Over half the nation still doesn't have a 4k TV?? They've been out for a decade now. Whether it's a 4k gaming monitor, 4k projector or the TV, there are many ways to get one hooked up even getting a second hand one. I take onboard your figures and assessment though with respect. Thanks 👍
Yeah, it blew my mind since 4K (I thought) was mainstream by now. But, with the longer lead times on people upgrading, most just haven't made it that far yet. My guess, we'll see the majority have 4K this decade. I appreciate the discussion!
It looked fine when I played it last year, but I wasn't playing on 120hz at the time. From what I remember, it was aiming between 1200p and 1440p, but I believe they optimized the frame rates since I last played.
I don't think the series s will become obselete at any point throughout this console generation, as long as devs make the effort to optimize their games properly I think it will hold up just fine as a 1080p 60fps machine. Besides, I'm sure most series s owners will trade it in and upgrade to the X sometime down the line as more people switch over to 4k displays. For that reason I'd say the series s is a great entry level console for those who want to get into the next generation but not ready to spend big yet.
I agree and after the cross-gen era is over, I feel that's when we'll really see the capabilities start to shine. Right now, devs are having to build for so many different platforms it makes it hard to optimize them properly.
absolutely not, this vid is just for views and to drum up drama. the only people saying this are gatekeepers who need to justify spending $1000 by trying to hate on the smarter folks who only paid $299. Simple as that.
I would disagree since it's a topic that has continued to come up over the past 6 months. It's a genuine concern for some. Although it may not be for you, which is also totally valid, others having the concern is also totally valid.
I'm a playstation boy boooo lol. But I really want an xbox for the first time. I currently have a day 1 realise ps4.. Still going strong but the noise omg. Is the xbox series s an upgrade as in graphics etc? I want next gen but due to availability and being a busy dad I don't play as often as I would like couple of hours a week. I do have a 65 inch TV 4k but only 60hrz refresh rate will it look good on that? As its only 60hrz refresh rate its another reason why the series x may not suit me. Just want to be able to play new games and not left behind. Thanks @busy dad gaming
The Series S will be a pretty big upgrade from a base PS4. It'll upscale to 4K and it looks great on a 60hz screen (it has across 3 different TVs for me). You'll def notice a difference though.
I upgraded from an Xbox one to a Xbox series s. The series S is plugged in to my 65 inch 4k TV. And damn the graphics on halo 5/ halo infinite really blew me away. Even halo 5 ,a Xbox one game has super gorgeous graphics. I had my doubts but the series S is completely worth it, Halo Infinte runs smoothly on 60 FPS too. It's smooth enough for me
@@jaspehh thanks much appreciated I'm holiday at the moment. But as soon as I get back I'm off to get my xbox can't wait. Sold my ps4 with 10 games and managed to get £180 for it. Got to love ebay so it's effectively only costing me £70 to upgrade.
I got a Series X and PS5. Simple answer is no. MS gives players options. If you want top end there is the PC and Series X. Hell, with Gamepass MS allows you to play many ways. The Series S is clearly designed for something different and as far as I am concerned it was a great move by MS so I really don't get these topics. Besides, MS could refresh the console and at $299, what is there really to complain about. PC games are designed to run on top end, middle, low specced PCs why is this a issue for consoles?
Well some circles of fanboys that I come into contact with say Series S was obsolete the day it was released. Realistically though if it can continue to get next gen games albeit at lower resolutions, I feel that Series S will always have a place due to its lower price point.
Yeah, I'm perfectly happy with 1080p to 1440p at 60hz on the machine. Unless something really changes, I don't see it consistently hitting 120. I could totally be wrong tho.
I doubt it comes down to DRM as that's located on the disc itself for physical copies. The omission of the drive was def due to cost. We may see a revision that includes it once components are more affordable for the price point.
developers are lazy you know. there is no simple slider. considering the 1080p30fps games like guardians of the galaxy/ dying light 2, i dont think it will age well. if you are casual gamer whodont care about 60fps, its a great buy. otherwise it a real struggle. and when mid cycles comes, third party developers will spend less time optimizing on series S. series X for its performance will probably last for the whole generation(mid cycle upgrades would be focusing on true 4k60fps,) with even poor optimization at least you get 1080p 60fps very easy. if developers need to squeeze every bit of performance to make 60fps they would simply make it 1080p30fps from just simple cost profit consideration. they need a comfortable headroom of performance. games are becoming much harder to make and test. thats why i returned my series S and get a series X. unreal engine 5 might be a wild card, but series S 300GB is a real pain,
The storage on the Series S is def a sticking point. At least there are options I suppose, but not ideal out of the box. Many games we're seeing right now are cross-gen so it's harder to optimize across 8 different hardware configs. Once we get beyond the cross-gen area and start to see devs optimize and start using new tools, we'll start to see how things will start to really land.
If the new Call of duty has a 120 frames per second mode there's no excuse for any developer not to be able to run their game at 60 frames per second on the series s. Namely elden ring at 30 FPS. Dying Light 2 at 30 frames per second. Cyberpunk 30fps. This is clearly a developer issue not a hardware issue. There is an extra console on the market and instead of releasing games that utilize that hardware they release their PC build to the Xbox series X and PS5 the series s ends up getting backwards compatibility from the older console versions. So I disagree just from what I've seen but it is definitely not the fault of the console
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's dealing with cross-gen being the issue. Once that span of time is no longer an issue, I bet we'll see more of that 60hz gameplay on the Series S. Until then, we're seeing pretty poor optimization from 3rd party developers.
@@BusyDadGaming I must correct my statement I believe as of now elden ring plays at close to 50fps on the series s. But that kind of proves my point even more. The developers are in control of how the games will run.
Totally agree, devs are totally responsible for how the game runs. Playing Elden Ring on Series X has been interesting. I have it in performance mode and it's struggling.
I try today the Matrix UE5 Demo on the Series S and I was shocked. The resolution was so low that the look was not great. It runs good with 30fps. But what was wrong with the resolution?
It wont be obsolete. Games are made to fit the console specs. Considering the XBSS is next gen, it will support all the games. XBSX and PS5 will have higher output res and that is it. Regarding the prices of PC specs nowdays it's the best investment.
LET ME GIVE SOME LIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT! What do 12 teraflops do (Series X) compared to 4 teraflops do (Series S)??? The best way to describe this would be how the end results look on a screen, and not just any screen. If you want to get the best bang for the Series S and take the most advantage of this console, then go for a 1080P 144Hz 24/27 inches gaming monitor, so why do I mention that, well it comes down to native resolution! Since the Series S in its current state is a lot closer to 1080P over 1440P, and running on a 1080P 144Hz gaming monitor, you can now enjoy some games running at 120 Hz! also, since its running at native resolution, the graphics will look tac sharp (like a Series X at 4K), and you don't need a Series X for this kind of setup! At 4K, unless you have a high-end upscaling solution, the Series S may appear a bit more pixilated at 4K (softer), and that is since it is not running at its native resolution. Did you know that 1080P at 24 inches has a pixel density of 92 dots per inch, while a 55-inch 4K TV has 80 dots per inch! In terms of visible pixels, for its size, the 24 inches will look sharper over the 4K at 55 inches! More so, the Series S games are small in size than the Series X games, since they are not using 4K assets! So this is how you make the best out of the Series S, and enjoy 120 Hz playing COD Vanguard without needing a Series X and a TV that has HDMI 2.1, and can imagine the total cost of that! If you do it right, you can enjoy some beautiful image quality for the Series S!
Sir just watched your video ... I just want to ask one question only .. I want to buy Xbox series S only to play GTA 6 in future when it comes out .. Just tell me that will GTA 6 come to Xbox series S? So that I can consider to buy that only to play GTA 6
Based on rumors, GTA 6 will be coming to Series S and X. Nothing official has been announced yet on what platforms Rockstar will support, but I would expect Series X|S and PS5 to be supported.
No. Who is saying it will be obsolete? Haven't heard a single person saying the series S will be obsolete, but I've seen like a hundred videos with this same title.... lol
The series s isn’t a bad console. I understand why they made 2 consoles at the start for people who want to get into gaming and not break the bank. Me I prefer the series x for the hardware and disc drive. Love your channel name..
I'm in the same boat, I prefer the Series X as well. Making two different price points really was a genius move. Where Sony has to go back to increasing PS4 console production due to PS5 supply issues, MS increased production of the Series S.
I am afraid so. Halo infinite, AC Valhalla heck even Fenyx Rising doesnt run 60 fps without performance mode! Yeah its solely the devs fault for their unability to tap into the S's full power and this will lead to the S being obselete in next 1.5 years, unless the FidelityFX tech is implemented in more games.
@@BusyDadGaming i think it will be solid 1080p 60fps on performance mode and 1440/30fps with (maybe) RT features on quality, for example forza horizon 5 and deathloop are mostly wanting same specs and forza horizon 5 runs perfectly on series s, so why wouldnt deathloop do the same?
Halo Infinite doesn't have RT from what I understand. I bet once we start seeing more advanced features being used by devs, we will see better overall performance.
@@BusyDadGaming yeah i change that i think forza example is more accurate, and im totally agree with you, developers will begin to use rdna 2 architecture and other new features of next gen consoles once they start to develope only for next gen
Still have a One X from 2017. Not really keen on series X don’t like the look of it and size of it. too expensive and difficult to get a hold of. Like series s but I’d be downgrading from my one x because of storage and no disc drive. Really hope they bring out a slim version of series X then I’d buy it.
I have the one x too. But the series s as a secondary console and hooked it up to a gaming monitor. I use it exclusively for for the X/S optimized games and multiplayer. The load times are a night and day difference.
I wish it did as well, but it tended to work out with market conditions the way they are. Hopefully a revision down the line does that, but we'll have to wait and see.
@@BusyDadGaming if they do a remake of the series s what would happen to my current series s? Would I have to buy it again? Or do I get it for free by trading in?
@@silveredgrunion7196 I have a ps5 and never use it. Gamepass is just such good deal and I like quick resume. Ps5 don't have that. Plus my ps5 puts out so much more heat. It will cook you out of a room within a couple hrs
I have a Ryzen 5500u with Radeon 7 built in GPU 16Mb RAM for Gaming and plays Fortza ... and Still the Series S is way better and cheaper than my setup including the 40" 1080p TV ;-) and the way things are going .. It will last longer than my Ryzen.
I'm working on a video of what a gaming PC would look like to compare with the Series S performance. Hint, the pricing isn't even in the same ballpark, lol.
Just a rumor at this point. Until component prices come down, I don't see that happening any time soon and still keep the price point. A Series S with a disc drive at a $400 I doubt would sell very well.
Series S is not next gen. Its equal to GTX 1660 performance with ray tracing around 30 fps 1440p not even 4k and as a PC gamer, playing games lower than 60 fps feels like a torture. Without ray tracing it will hold up for a while for 60+ fps. I am expecting a new console in 2 years time around like it was on Xbox One / Xbox One X era. You should be able to still play the games on S, but equal to PC's low/medium settings.
Agreed, it'll be at Med settings for quite a lot of games at 60hz. Although the Series S can technically do RT, it's not really ideal on the system. As some of the really cool dev tech starts to get more implemented, I bet we see overall better performance on the system as the generation goes on.
Personally I wish devs wouldn't leave graphics features out on series s. Then you. Go to the x and you have options that wouldnt be there,. Like cyber punk left out graphics options. On series s. So z. Got choices. Between 60fps or 30fps. All s got was HDR options. So wrong. I own a series s and love it and even bought the expansion card too
I agree, and as we move out of the cross-gen I bet we see a lot better performance. There's some cool dev tools that MS has available to leverage the Series consoles. I bet we see better performance at that point.
Totally agree. Based on some of the Xbox tech discussions, there are options that devs have access to that just aren't available to anything last-gen. As a result, they aren't being used in current Series games.
Hardware wise it's already obsolete. By years. It has a Jaguar cpu Architecture. Which came from 2013. I wanna see a consol made with something like a Ryzen series arch. Imagine a consol made with Ryzen 9 arch. That would be intense if you consider the one out now is Jaguar. And look what they got that thing to pump out.
It's interesting that Nvidia is manufacturing 2 generation old GPUs to try to meet market demand since their 30 Series is so hard to get. I would love to see a console on that hardware stack. It would be pretty cool, but I highly doubt we see it any time soon.
Nope, it will just run games at lower resolutions and frames per second is the simple explanation. A more technical explanation is lower rendering distance, texture details and reductions to certain on screen assets is some other comprises the devs can make to get a game to run on the hardware. The hardware itself in the S is in parity with the technology and features that the X supports just a smaller chip and amount of memory bandwidth
Those are great points. Once different technologies are taken advantage of (FSR, SFS, etc.), I bet we see better overall performance (still in the 1440p to 1080p range). I'm really looking forward to that.
I think Microsoft will support Series s to certain degree while Series x will be the main focus. Series s is a cheaper option less storage etc. A big thing is that nobody wants small storage these days and Series s has less. Some say its a waste of money due to games having over a 100gb 8nstal or even more There wasn't much difference between Xbox 9ne and the Xbox one x other than storage size. Xbox one x was smaller and felt better quality. Most gamers have blu ray discs for movies and TV shows so they don't want xbox series s. 4k gaming is what gamers want while S doesn't do 4k. It'll put gamers off. I bought Xbox series X because its 4k gam8ng 4k movies discs and 1TB as I wasn't going to get Series s. Series S would he good in a world where everything is getting more expensive due to currant world troubles and food sky high prices and sky high energy bills. I can see Series s being phased out with a new model being more attractive to buyers. A new model with 2TB storage would be ideal.
Once the backward compatible era is over, it'll get easier for devs. Then it'll work more like PC where it's a sliding scale using the same code base rather than multiple versions of a game.
Xbox has bought alot of studios and that alone I think will keep the s relevant...now I believe most games might target 30-60fps at 1080p but it will still play them
@@BusyDadGaming it's possible. Some developers aren't really happy with the S's specks...or that's the "rumor" I don't know any developers and have yet to hear an interview with one saying this. That doesn't mean it isn't the case ....just saying
The Series X is way more powerful than the Series S, that's not in dispute. However, there's a lot of technology that isn't being used at this point because of cross-gen limitations. Things like SFS, FSR, etc., will improve the overall performance. Side note, are you referring to Dead by Daylight (2 isn't out) from back in 2018 or Dying Light 2 that just came out today? If the latter, that came down to optimization and lack of time to do so.
It really depends, but I'd personally say no at this point. Only caveat is if there is a Series only game or feature you want. Otherwise, wait until you can get a Series X.
Basically the main thing you'll get is faster load times. But you'll lose better graphics from your one x and you'll lose your bigger HDD. What kills the series s is there only 312 gigs of usable space. Warzone and modern warfare are 300 gigs itself. So that one game will take up whole ssd. And i know some people are like well connect a USB drive for extra storage. But if you do that you lose all those fast load times cuz usb ports don't support that fast transfer speeds. So at that point your back to your Xbox one load times. I hope this helps.
Yeah, not sure on that one. The Series S is half the bandwidth of the Series X, but for the numbers it's trying to hit that should be sufficient. The real question is how devs will utilize that bandwidth.
I just think that for the next-generation after the xbox series, the newer consoles will have a better foundation.. especially the one meant to replace the series s . As we know the series s started with a shotgun pointed at it's feet , thanks to the backward compatibility with a concession simulator that is the xbox one /one s. Really, the base xbox one tarnished the xbox image. And we can definitely feel the consequences even to this day . The gamepassfor example, every game which hasn't been optimized for the series s will run the xbox one code of the games . So the series s goes with the xbox one and the gamepass is less attractive due to the backward compatibility. The xbox one s is hurting the series s . Even if the experience is snapy and more stable on series s . Well it s still concessions land. Future games should solve the problem We really need the implementation of the velocity architecture in the games especially for the series s
We'll start to see that as the cross-gen area ends. It sounds like STALKER has been delayed to later in the year, but we'll see how many Series only games land this year to start showing what is potentially possible.
Xcloud and Game Pass are going to make Microsoft's servers burn in the coming years. So many people will buy Xboxes or join the "Xbox ecosystem" via PC. I'm excited to see, where this journey will lead the gaming industry to.
Same here. One thing to keep in mind is the servers they are using (Azure) is the same tech that powers A LOT of companies so I doubt we'll see them struggle that bad. However, if it does, that's a great problem to have on their end too.
No so many people just won't have the cash for the x or the PS5 as the economy gets ready to tank shit gas its already almost 4 bucks a gallon and we all know what happened last time it was that high
Between inflation and the market conditions that existed already, consoles are more expensive than they have been in a long time. Pay a scalper on top of that and it's a really high price tag, at the high end, to get into the current-gen.
The Series S is too weak,it will show it's true colours when Unreal Engine 5 Games and Fully raytraced engines come out. It's already sub 1080P to get 60FPS in most games,microsoft fooled everyone with their "1440P 120FPS gaming machine" marketing. If we don't have a console refresh,we are gonna reach resolutions as frequent as 600P(Already here with Metro exodus as low as 512P and Rocket league @700P),i wonder what microsoft thought releasing such a weak console without considering how demanding future games will be running on the console? I pity the people who bought it to play at 1440P 144HZ monitor or connected it to their 4K TV,if i'm spending $300 and not even expecting a console to do 1080P 60FPS in 2021 what is even the point? It's absolutely disappointing tbh,if a console refresh isn't coming we might legit have games that can inly run on the series X and not series S(Doom eternal Already has a Raytracing 1440P 60FPS mode on Series X but not one on Series S... I don't think the console will break past more than 3-4 years)
On the other side of the token, it'll also really show us its true colors when it can properly implement FSR, SFS, and other dev technologies that will improve performance. Time will tell, but I bet as devs get better at utilizing the hardware and dev tools, it'll get better, not worse.
@@BusyDadGaming I really hope so but it's not looking too great as of now. On a side note Dying Light 2 is gonna launch soon it's performance will cement the capabilities of the console,i'm sure the devs had enough time to get familiar with the hardware as the console has been roughly around for an entire year.(I fear we will not even have a ray tracing mode on the Series S) I'm calling it right now,A console refresh is inevitable after 3-4 years.
Yeah, we haven't even had any next gen games to really test out on the Series S aside from Halo Infinite, and even that was downgraded from 120fps as it was in the beta because it couldn't handle it. People are being way too optimistic about the Series S because they're only playing old games through Game Pass. Just wait for Starfield or any of their other upcoming games. We'll see people (and Microsoft) change their tune then.
If gamers are too stupid to not see that game streaming is the trojan horse to them "owning" playing whatever game they have paid for whenever they want, they deserve what they are going to get. As for the Xbox Series S, it will become the Xbox 360 to the Xbone when the next generation comes.
Series S is for 1080p ,X FOR 4K thay all can go max settings in games just resolution its not the sam . SO its not like one its runnig games on medium and other in high . I thing Serirs S is for ppl like me .i use laptop with hd+ resolution so series S is preferct for me .+ its small .can carry with me in the bag
Do you feel the Series S will be obsolete sooner rather than later?
Nope. Series console are not using bcpack, SFS, direct ml, mesh shading and amd fidelity fx.
All combined it is a plus 200% framerate on a game (at least).
Sfs saves ram and ram amount is the weak point of SS vs OX.
FSR is available to use on Series games, but it'll depend on the devs if they want to. AMD will offer driver level support for FSR some time this year, which it'll be up to Microsoft to implement or not.
Did you mean Series consoles are using, or haven't started using those features? Making sure to clarify as SFS is an option on Series consoles, but not sure if it is being used or not yet.
@@BusyDadGaming they are not using it yet; the only features that are currently used are vrs on 3 games and 1 or 2 games uses bcpack compression.
No other features are already utilized.
It will blow peoples mind when it will be used. Even the matrix does not use any of it.
Gotcha, and I agree. When devs really refine games for the Series hardware sets, we will see what they can really do. That will just come with time.
I have it and love it
Maybe I will get the Series X one day but I will have to buy a 4k tv $$$$$
a lot of money for a family
There is a market for the series S
Like on PC not everyone have the latest gpu
I just got my Series S and a simple SSD for extra storage. Wow am I blown away. I'm coming from a Xbox One S digital. On my 50in TV this console is amazing and it fits my daily life. I don't game as much do to work and kids. I wanted the Series X but due to unavailability plus a lot of research the Series S actually was a better buy for me.
Totally comes down to your use case and I'm glad you got what works for you. It's a great console.
Was this the Seagate SSDs that are meant to be compatible, or a different external one, trying to work out if you can buy an external SSD from another manufacturer and still works with the quick resume etc?
Quick Resume will only work with the internal storage and the Seagate expandable storage card. External USB SSDs it comes down to USB requirement, speed options, but they don't have to be from Seagate. If you want to see drives that are specifically for Xbox, there are drives that show Compatible with Xbox on the box. Don't have to, but something to look at as well.
Which SSD did u get?
@@tacticalbt1023 Was only thinking about buying an Xbox series S and the only concern was the amount of storage considering some titles are pushing 100-150 GB, was thinking about how much of an issue this could become in a few years .
I’m a 32 year old dad with a 1 year old son, I work from home and I take online classes. I bought my Series S second hand for $200. I absolutely love it, with the game pass and how much time I realistically get to play. The series s is perfect for me. And I have 55” TCL 4K that the series s optimizes. So now I watch all of my streaming services on it. I do want to buy the sea gate memory…. Eventually, that price is to steep considering what I paid for the console. But it’s awesome, so far no complaints on my end I love it, worth the money and I get to play Next gen games on a pretty powerful little console.
That's awesome and I'm glad you're enjoying it! At this point in the generation, you can get an external SSD for any non-Series games so you can leave the internal storage for Series specific games or features.
It's a solid next gen console. Microsoft knew exactly what they were doing. i think. It's a perfect game pass machine, it still plays older games and often times better than orginal hardware! I love the compact size too. It looks dope af in my tv stand and honestly a PS5 or series x would not look as good with my setup (that's not really a selling point tech wise but it's small enough comparatively that its something to consider if space is an issue)
Great points, and it's def a smaller form factor which many really are enjoying. I've seen where people are using as their travel console because it's smaller and lighter than other potential options.
Very true. The S looks great! I have to admit when the X was revealed, I was underwhelmed at the design. Then the S was revealed! Wow! What an improvement! It fits in my TV stand so much better than the X. I did put a skin on my S. It looks similar to the Halo 5 XBOX Edition. Too bad MS didn’t come out with a Halo Infinite S edition. They still could and I wish they would but the skin I found does a good job.
I see the Series S maintaining popularity throughout this generation. The reason.. its a crowd pleaser... Parents not wanting to spend out on the fully powered X version... It gets the job done well and with gamepass is a family friendly lounge console...
I am a PC User but wanted a secondary device to play all the gamepass titles not on PC, some sofa co-op and get my kids involved with Minecraft etc... I didn't want to pay next Gen prices just to fill that void when I already own a powerful PC.
That's why the S is such a winner.. It appeals to a wide audience for different reasons... I love mine... but the kids love it even more 😆
I agree, it'll def be the mainstream box for this generation. Sony would have been smart to do something similar rather than just produce a PS5 w/o a disc drive. It's a great console and I'm glad your kids are enjoying it more! Lol
Smart Dad. You saved money, and made the family happy. King Shit.
I am glad to know I’m not the only crazy person with a nice PC who also purchased an Xbox series S
its 4 teraflops makes it more powerful than any phone in the planet, any tablet, and its more powerful than the m1 chip with the Xbox series s 4 teraflops so its really powerful still do you agree as well ?
I had the series s. Was definitely 10x better than the Xbox one x I was using. The only issue I had with the series s was it would sometimes freeze up on me which wasn’t a major issue. I ended up buying a series x when I found one in stock and honestly there isn’t to much of a difference the series x definitely has way better graphics but the performance I would say is about the same which is absolutely mind blowing.
I'm glad you're enjoying it! Bummer on the freezing tho.
I will says this the series s is hands down a great buy. You get nex gen console for a relative cheap price. I upgraded from a base Xbox one to the series s and was blown away with how well this console performs. I gave a test on certain games to see if I could notice a difference in the performance and looks of it. Imo it's ran 100 times better than the base Xbox one. I I tried gtav on it was blown away with how fast the game loads. It took literally seconds compared to minutes to load it. I tried red dead two and it's look better than before and ran better. I'm still on the same TV as when I had the Xbox one and noticed a difference right away. No man's sky ran exceptionally better on it and was kinda bad on base Xbox one. Imo it's a great system minus the small storage space but I can work with it and I don't think it will be obselete any time soon but I will upgrade to the series x one day when they become more available
Upgrading from the OG Xbox One to a Series S will be pretty jarring. It's a pretty big jump between the two consoles. It isn't as drastic moving from the Series S to the Series X in the same way, but you will see better framerates.
As much as it is financially painful, I got the Seagate drive which gave it a much-needed life boost to it -especially because of Gamepass. Although I own a Series X, which is connected to a 75" 4K, I find myself playing the Series S on a gaming chair on a monitor (1440p, 144Hz). While I also use my PC, I still find it easier to just pick up and start playing with the S. I also agree that game streaming may be a game-changer. Only time will tell.
It's so handy when you have your console hooked up to the rig you're using a PC on, if you're able. I did that for quite a while until I got the TV in the office.
You have any problems getting 1440p at 120 hz?
@@TJzWayyy I have no problems setting the Series S. But i will say that too few games actually run at native 1440p in 120Hz. Most are either 60 (quality) or downscaled to meet 120fps (performance). Hopefully they’ll optimize more games, even if they are from last generation.
I have had my series s for 2 months and love it. I think it's a good console and is awesome for a couple hours of gaming before or after work.
Totally agree. It really comes down to how you'll use the console.
My Xbox SERIES S along with my PS4 PRO is more than adequate, probably at lease three years before I would even entertain PS5 or SERIES X.
@@xgodblesx Would you recommend the ps 4 pro? My launch model ps4 is on its last leg.
It depends on the type of use you give it. I’m really loving it honestly.
It's a great console and adds tons of value.
I just hope they prioritize 60 fps over all else. Lower the resolution, lower the graphics, do whatever is needed to hit 60 for the rest of the generation. Just don't unlock the framerate for a stuttery 30-45 fps and call it performance mode like PS4 Pro did.
Agreed. As FSR becomes more widely used and devs get better at utilizing the consoles, I bet we see better overall performance.
If Devs could make sure their games run at a locked 60fps in Series S throughout the console's lifetime, even if that meant the resolution dips a little below 1080p, then Series S is really worth it. But with the recent game DyingLight2 running at only 1080p30 on Series S, that doesn't seem to be happening(Maybe, that's because the developer didn't try to optimise it for current gen consoles as they were also developing for last gen consoles. Whatever!)
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of how poorly optimized the Series S version was of Dying Light 2. One of the devs said it was the GPU that was holding them back, and then proceeded to get lambasted for the comment since we've already seen more demanding games hit 1080/60 already.
As you mentioned, I'm sure they switch mid-cycle to make this game a cross-gen game rather than a last-gen game and as a result, didn't have enough time/expertise to get it running where it needed to be. Hell, even the Series X version on Quality and RT modes are pretty low resolutions and stuck at 30hz.
Coming off of my base PS4 my Series S that I got this Christmas from my wife and kids is a huge upgrade IMO. I’ll get a Series X or PS5 in 2025 when they are readily available (fingers crossed) or cheaper whichever comes first.
That's awesome and I'm glad you're enjoying it! Yeah, that'll def be a big upgrade for you and by 2025 I'm sure we'll have something in line compared to today, lol.
Only thing I want is just be able to play 60fps on AAA games for years down the line. 30fps is unplayable for me. I played arkham asylum on ps5 a while back and I got a genuine headache from it every time within 2 hours of playtime
I'm glad they are upgrading games to use 60fps. Devs that don't hit that on Series S really comes down to a lack of optimization. As we see the cross-gen timeframe lapse, we'll see what the Series S is really capable of.
I just recently picked up a Series S after my Xbox One died, my Xbox one wasn't one of the later models it was release console so the jump was amazing and I think I won't be replacing my Series S this generation
That's a very common perception and something a lot of people will end up doing.
No! One reason is MS’s movement to Cloud based gaming which is independent of any specific equipment. In fact, it may be that the SX and SS are the end of the line for consoles. As I understand it Cloud gaming will use your phone, tablet, console, desktop computer, laptop, etc. to play the game without having to download it. That list also includes Apple hardware as well.
Cloud gaming is def a great way forward, but it'll take quite a while to get the latency under control. It's decent for anything non-twitch based, but def has a ways to go. I'm looking forward to that for sure, as Stadia and GeForce Now are currently better when it comes to streaming, but I'm sure MS will be shoring that up sooner than later.
@@BusyDadGaming Perhaps, but the intent of MS is to become hardware independent. I think the S and X may very well be the end of the console road and I think that’s a good thing. First, it means the S/X consoles are going to be useful for a very long time. Second, it will mean that people will be able to use what they have rather than having to shell out more 💵 just to play a game.
No, disc drives are old news and NOT the future of gaming. Series S if anything will become more popular I think. This is not a disc age, its a digital age. Eventually backwards compatability will not need to go so far back as we move forward, and I think they will begin to phase out disc drives all together. Appreciate the video.
I agree for this price point. I don't see it getting a disc drive any time soon (or ever in this current generation). I do see more storage and potential spec bump, with the latter being more likely around the 3 year mark. I appreciate you watching!
I think Microsoft will do a mid-cycle upgrade at some point where we will have a more powerful version of the S than original X & an even more powerful X. And even then, because of Gamepass & cloud gaming, the original Series S will still be viable.
I bet we see a refresh of the Series S for sure. The Series X will be the interesting one, but I hope we get a more powerful version. Regardless, Series consoles will have a lot of legs this generation.
@@BusyDadGaming Definitely. I think the series consoles will outlive the lifespan of the Xbox One consoles. But the echo system is where Microsoft wants to be. I just started playing on PC & it was so easy & convenient.
Yeah, I love the convenience for sure.
If they do that They either just put disk drive and give the console 1tb of ssd storage and then like call it a day, other than that I don't that many improvements since the onsole already has loading times and fast fps than say the OG Xbox one, like they will just do that.
A friend recently gave me his Xbox One after he got the Xbox One X as a gift. It's my first xbox console, and so far, I've been loving it! Seeing the number of cross-generational titles coming out, I haven't yet really felt the pressure to upgrade. I know that there will be more native Series X/S games in the online store that I cannot play, but so far, I've only run into one.
I don't know if its strange to say that I don't feel like even the base xbox one is obsolete yet. But I do feel that way. Can it Play Halo Infinite with no trouble? Yeah. Is it going to be just fine for the new Fable game and whatever they have planned next for Gears? Also probably yes. And if the xbox one isn't obsolete yet, then the series s has years ahead of itself!
The OG Xbox One is def showing it's age, but it can still play what's coming out today (which is impressive). It'll start to be left behind later this year, and we'll see it even more next year. By 2024 I see cross-gen no longer being an issue and that'll be the latest you'll want to upgrade. At which time, we may finally see the supply issues ease up.
Ps4 is still being produced on 2022. That tells the series s is far from obsolete.
Yeah, Sony really ran into struggles with the PS5 not being able to meet demand. They needed to do something.
I gotta say I got a ps5 and it collects dust. Because game pass is such a good deal and quick resume is AMAZING . PS5 don't have either of those. Plus halo infinite and forza 5 are fun
@@bobbymiller5297 100% agree and in the same boat. I force myself to buy PS5 games just to justify playing it. My PS4 Pro literally now my son's fortnite machine...literally (even when it runs better on his S...weird). My Series X and son's Series S are constantly used because of gamepass (forza, minecraft, halo infinite and anything else we feel like checking out)..and we go online with NBA 2k22. Hell, the One X and One S still get used by the other kids with...you guessed it...GAMEPASS. Either way, we found out just recently that his Vizio can do 1080p 120hz with the Series S which makes this little machine beyond clutch. It ain't going anywhere for a long time to come.
@@bigcee24 I agree with everything you said. Game pass has so many decent games and their always adding new good games to it. It's such a good deal and such a variety of games. And then with quick resume on the series x/S is so nice. You can switch games so fast and it stays right where you left off.
I litterly yesterday just put my ps5 in my closet. Was taking up room and not using it and it was getting all dust inside vents.
I use my xbox all time instead
Considering that they are still making Xbox one games in 2022 and 2023, I cannot see the series S been left behind this year. In the latter of the fact, I eventually see both Sony and Microsoft going full digital within the next generation or two. Perhaps with the option to the consumer to buy a separate portable disk drive that is adaptable to either format.
And to double down with you on the bundles, that’s more common place with a lot of retailers as well. For example, GameStop. Now the series S has a pretty much escaped the grasp of the scalpers finally. They have calm down with that system and it’s readily available on store shelves in most areas. But as for the series X and the PS5, they have this way of packaging these systems in bundles because apparently scalpers do not like bundles. GameStop constantly changes these bundles out, and the fluctuation of the value changes constantly. So it actually screws up the numbers for the scalpers and their automated systems and robot moderators. This past month, they released the PlayStation 5 with Call Of Duty: Vanguard and an extra controller. The series X, they released with a second controller, 3 Months of Game Pass Ultimate, and a $50 GameStop gift card. And of course, they are doing the same treatment with the series S, two controllers and a gift card for $50. But they are also extending the 3 months of game pass ultimate to 6 months eventually. Makes a little bit of sense, since you get everything digital I don’t have a disc drive to keep playing with.
I'd totally be ok to having the option of an add on optical drive. I personally went digital years ago, but having the option for people would be awesome.
@@BusyDadGaming Even for the 20th anniversary of Xbox, they did a temporary, limited bundle package for a Series S that came with a full year of game pass ultimate and a $100 gift card. So you know, there’s always going to be bundles. And with Microsoft buying out Activision’s Blizzard and Bethesda, I would not be surprised to see some voucher coupons of digital copies to those games to come packaged/ bundled with the Series S.
For sure. I have seen bundle packages quite a bit with the Series S rather than price reductions. Game Pass I've seen being bundled quite a bit, which is really awesome.
Nice vaild points brought to the table hear.... I got a s jue to not being able to pick up a xsx but the time will come when stock it good and i will get it but no joke i play pubg have since xbox drop in 2017 ive played the game on the og xbox with ssd and xbox x and series s and without a doubt it runs alot smoother on the series than a xbox x if i chucked say 5 smokes down on the xbox x if u stood in the middle of that smoke id loose frame at when its at 30fps to loose 5-10 frames is a massive deal but dont get the problem atall on the series s i wont even mention og xbox about it lol.... Series s plays pubg at 1440p at 60fps and am happy as the 60fps mode on the xbox x on my monitor had very bad shading issues
Games that are more open world natured typically perform better on the Series S than the One X, but anything more linear will typically perform better on the One X. Just depends on the use case and what you value more, fidelity or frame rate.
Even if it became obsolete a few years down the road it's still an excellent emulator machine for 300 bucks. No device on the market today can match for that price.
I agree, the price point is just really hard to beat.
I dunno. An old Dell Optiplex can do an awesome job of emulation for real cheap. ETA Prime has a lot of videos on stuff like that.
@@Droogie128 but can it run the newest games?
@@ramo4476 irrelevant if all you care about is great emulation on the cheap.
I have no issues with mine. Wouldn’t be shocked if we get a “special edition” in a year or so (I’ll probably buy that one as well)
I bet we see a revised version that has more storage, but regardless, I don't see it going anywhere any time soon.
@@BusyDadGaming I absolutely agree
Series s is Microsoft’s cash cow. My Nintendo 64 is still awesome so I’m not worried about the series s.
I agree, the Series S will be the main driver for the current set of consoles.
Great video, I agree! Quick question tho...what kind of chair do you use, I'm in the market for one and yours seems like a good one
I went with this one: amzn.to/3rLSsnh
I wanted a really good chair and it's been a great one so far (9 or so months in).
I'm still just wondering if there will be any games worth playing, that are not remakes of old content worth playing this generation.
I'm really looking forward to Elden Ring, Stalker 2 (although it was delayed to later this year), Starfield, and a ton of other games.
So basically, you won't get the best visuals but you will definitely get the best deal. So XBSS it is for me then.
Exactly, the best value in gaming easily.
To make a proper analysis on the performance of the Series S we need to see next gen only games for the Series X and S, because at the moment with these cross gen games it's too hard to tell. From what I've seen, it's a neat little machine and decent for the price, but you get what you pay for. A lot of games won't even run at 60fps which in my opinion is unacceptable for this generation. Now, whether that's a fault of the developer or the console itself, I'm not entirely sure, but the fact that those same games run at 60fps on the Series X says it's most probably the hardware. Digital Foundry have shown many videos comparing the differences between the two and it does fall flat in a lot of games, but again, these are cross gen games so lets wait and see how it performs with newer ones.
I agree, we'll start to see what the box is really capable of once cross-gen is no longer a thing and advanced dev toolsets are more readily used (SFS, FSR, etc.). As it stands today, a lot of it comes down to the devs either not optimizing (which to be fair, that's a lot of hardware to optimize for), or didn't have enough time (and usually both).
At least Guardians of the Galaxy received a patch allowing an up to 60fps mode. I suppose its an admission that 30fps wasn't good enough on a next gen console by the developer.
Yeah, I was hoping the Series S would have at least hit 60hz, but no dice. It does look good on the Series X tho.
Hello, I love your videos. I am contemplating whether or not to upgrade from my Xbox one X to get a series s I know on paper it doesn’t look as much of an upgrade. I am a casual gamer I do like madden, halo infinity in Forza and a few other games. Would it be a worthy upgrade or should I just sit tight and wait. I think the ass is a neat little system it has a lot to offer I do have Game Pass. Just having a hard time deciding if it’s worth it or not. I do have a 4K television 65 inch but it does not have 120 refresh.
Thanks! If you have a One X, I'd actually stick with it until the Series X is more readily available. The only caveat is if there's a Series only game you can't wait for, then maybe a Series S as a secondary console.
Just adding my opinion here and I personally believe it to be better than the one x I've owned all previous consoles and right out the gate the series s does indeed out perform the one x!!
Really depends on what you value. If you want higher fidelity graphics, the One X will be the better option. If you want higher frame rates or faster loading, the Series S is the better option.
Save up and buy a Series X,the series S looks way too horrible on a 4K TV.
I picked up a series s a week ago and I'm really happy with it. It really is a bargain when paired with gamepass
Totally agreed, it makes the console so easy to get started without having to buy a ton of games.
I bought the Series S as my first console. I'm a PC gamer, until I bricked my GPU just recently and sold off the rest of my PC hardware. Considering how much more expensive components are in my region, especially GPU, I went for the S! Good bang for the buck; it's sold at 400USD here. I don't care much for the graphics and performance tradeoffs at that price point.
Makes a lot of sense and if you don't really care about fidelity, the Series S really is the best choice.
Consumers need educating. Reading is a huge factor in determining your buying decisions. MS and gaming development is driving towards cloud gaming. The S forces players to stay subscribed to Ultimate game pass.
THINK of your internet modem. YOUR internet service provider gives you a modem. They charge you monthly fees. YOU justify your investment by consuming ample amounts of content, buying movies, subscribing to more TV channels etc.
The S is the hub to satisfy your needs to stay distracted, you might keep a couple of games on board, but have the freedom to explore many more games in the cloud without the need to think about storage.
The X still has a disc drive because they want to keep earning revenue from hard copies of titles still out there as it equals royalties to developers. THE option of backwards compatibility is their way to remain sustainable.
Planned obsolescence is a real thing. But I think this should be more a conversation about forcing people to keep buying new consoles. With all the advancements in chips and motherboards. Why can't consumers be encouraged to keep their consoles pristine, so when it comes time to upgrade, MS will install a new motherboard and I/Os to current Gen specs?
New industrial design for new consoles are exciting when they are these limited editions, made in smal quantities and dor novelty. That's cute. But even the X can adopt modularity easily. If all these are, are hubs to access cloud games anyways what does it matter ?
Makes sense and it'll be interesting to see if we do see a console refresh mid-gen like we did last time. I'm sure MS wants to delineate between PC and Console and making it that modular could be a challenge and potentially eat into each other. That may be something that AMD/Nvidia (depending on who provides the graphics) wouldn't agree to. A lot of nuances and some great points made.
I almost bought one. Just wasn't for me though. There is definitely a market for it though. For me, I was between a series s or some version of the Switch. Last Xbox I had was 360. Last Nintendo was Wii. Currently have a PS4 with many disc games so I am still planning on PS5 at some point. I would have gotten the S but I ultimately just chose the Switch Lite to tide me over for awhile. I feel like between my PS4 and the series S, I'm not missing much besides frame rate and that's not enough for me to justify buying an Xbox. But there's definitely a market for it and it shows. Doesn't hurt that it's pretty much always available everywhere.
Makes total sense. MS increased Series S production since Series X is so constrained right now and the Xbox One era is no longer in production. It really does come down to what makes the most sense for someone and will they enjoy it. Switch Lite for you sounded like what you'd enjoy the most and that's awesome!
@@BusyDadGaming I think so too. I have a 2 1/2 year old so I plan on using it for a few years and then passing it down to him. Can't go wrong with that. I may get Series S down the road for my spare bedroom and to play Forza and such. It's such a good price.
That's a great option for the Switch Lite. I have the Series S in another room as well and works really well for me.
It will certainly be an error from microsoft to not support the serie s user wich is probably 80% of the xbox users because of that pandemic and mostly because of ppl like me that serie X was just not available and didn’t have the time to wait or trying to find the console at the exact perfect moment … Im a mid 30’ user working over 50h per weeks 2 kids and usual gamer in between 2 kids demands I can play just enought to release the stress of the weeks, I really liking my seris s probably the best console I bought atm, and cheap enought to not break the bank
Those are great points and yeah, if you're time constrained, the Series S is a great option and not break the bank as you said.
Got my 55" and series x stolen 2 weeks ago. as a substitute i bought a 45" and a series s. both tvs where 4k 60fps. new tv is just a bit smaller. in my humble opinion to thus far there is no difference in visuals between the series s and x.
The upscaling is pretty good on the Series S, the bigger the screen the more noticeable it will become. However, for many, it's hard to notice.
@@BusyDadGaming ill probaby buy a series x again and a 55" in a year or two after ive saved up again. this time i'll make sure to take out insurance on it lol.
That would be a good idea. That sucks that those items were stolen :(
@@BusyDadGaming haha yeah it does. my mom felt it far worse her laptop and computer got stolen with all her work documents on it. at the end of the day im just thankfull none of us got hurt. they robbed us during the day when we where all at work.
That's good, I'm glad that no one was hurt.
Also the Series S is more available simply because you can fit more chips on a single silicon waffer. It will most likely always be more widely available given that fact
I'm not sure what the ratio is between the SS and SX, but that's def the main reason for the increased availability. The other piece is that it just requires less components overall, which I'm sure also contributes.
No chance will the XBSS outsell the XBSX if both were side by side in shops with unlimited stock. The buyer will save up more or extend one's budget to scoop the big brother console simply down to it's future proofing hardware and upcoming games that will need to compete against the hardware of the PS5. Gamers that have purchased the XBSS have done so because they are no XBSX on the selves. It's not a bad purchase at all and priced perfectly, but answer this - would you still get a XBSS if Game Pass wasn't there to utilise on a monthly basis? That's the saving grace for it in my opinion.
MS stopped talking about console sales a long time ago, but I bet the One S actually outsold the other versions of the Xbox One era. I have zero stats about that, but that's what I gather reading analysts and various other things.
Mainstream audiences typically don't think about future proofing (54% of the U.S. doesn't have a 4K TV and only upgrade every 8 to 10 years). With the Series S being able to stream Series X shards also creates more opportunity for that audience segment to increase the time they can keep their consoles.
I do agree that if it weren't for Game Pass, the Series S wouldn't be as valuable as it was.
@@BusyDadGaming Over half the nation still doesn't have a 4k TV?? They've been out for a decade now. Whether it's a 4k gaming monitor, 4k projector or the TV, there are many ways to get one hooked up even getting a second hand one. I take onboard your figures and assessment though with respect. Thanks 👍
Yeah, it blew my mind since 4K (I thought) was mainstream by now. But, with the longer lead times on people upgrading, most just haven't made it that far yet. My guess, we'll see the majority have 4K this decade. I appreciate the discussion!
@@BusyDadGaming Yes and all the best.
To me the only thing I don’t like about the Xbox series s is no disc drive or able to hook up a external blu ray for blu ray and dvd and the storage
Yeah, I do wish they opened up those USB ports to allow more peripherals.
Does COD Cold War graphics look good still, like 1440p 120fps???
It looked fine when I played it last year, but I wasn't playing on 120hz at the time. From what I remember, it was aiming between 1200p and 1440p, but I believe they optimized the frame rates since I last played.
I don't think the series s will become obselete at any point throughout this console generation, as long as devs make the effort to optimize their games properly I think it will hold up just fine as a 1080p 60fps machine. Besides, I'm sure most series s owners will trade it in and upgrade to the X sometime down the line as more people switch over to 4k displays. For that reason I'd say the series s is a great entry level console for those who want to get into the next generation but not ready to spend big yet.
I agree and after the cross-gen era is over, I feel that's when we'll really see the capabilities start to shine. Right now, devs are having to build for so many different platforms it makes it hard to optimize them properly.
absolutely not, this vid is just for views and to drum up drama. the only people saying this are gatekeepers who need to justify spending $1000 by trying to hate on the smarter folks who only paid $299. Simple as that.
I would disagree since it's a topic that has continued to come up over the past 6 months. It's a genuine concern for some. Although it may not be for you, which is also totally valid, others having the concern is also totally valid.
@@BusyDadGaming very true. we’ll see what happens in the coming years. thanks for the reply!
My pleasure and thanks for commenting. Greatly appreciated!
@@BusyDadGaming yeah you see dying light 2? you were more right then i thought haha.
@@OneKaleidoscope3812 - Yeah, lol.
I'm a playstation boy boooo lol. But I really want an xbox for the first time. I currently have a day 1 realise ps4.. Still going strong but the noise omg. Is the xbox series s an upgrade as in graphics etc? I want next gen but due to availability and being a busy dad I don't play as often as I would like couple of hours a week. I do have a 65 inch TV 4k but only 60hrz refresh rate will it look good on that? As its only 60hrz refresh rate its another reason why the series x may not suit me. Just want to be able to play new games and not left behind. Thanks @busy dad gaming
The Series S will be a pretty big upgrade from a base PS4. It'll upscale to 4K and it looks great on a 60hz screen (it has across 3 different TVs for me). You'll def notice a difference though.
I upgraded from an Xbox one to a Xbox series s. The series S is plugged in to my 65 inch 4k TV. And damn the graphics on halo 5/ halo infinite really blew me away. Even halo 5 ,a Xbox one game has super gorgeous graphics. I had my doubts but the series S is completely worth it, Halo Infinte runs smoothly on 60 FPS too. It's smooth enough for me
@@jaspehh thanks much appreciated I'm holiday at the moment. But as soon as I get back I'm off to get my xbox can't wait. Sold my ps4 with 10 games and managed to get £180 for it. Got to love ebay so it's effectively only costing me £70 to upgrade.
@@MrSwansFan don't forget to buy gamepass on cdkeys it's cheaper and you can even share it with a friend
I have both the Series S and X, and the purpose for the S is for non 4K TVs.
It does tend to look good on a 4K TV, depending on the size. The bigger the size, the more apparent it can seem that it is upsampled.
Maybe but if we consider that average Gpu cost 600$ its worth every penny
The GPU alone in the Series S is cheaper than anything you can buy for the same performance. It's a pretty crazy market right now.
The answer is no. The S will last as long as the X. It will run every Series X game with feature parity, just at a lower resolution.
I agree, it'll be a sliding scale.
That would be a hard no. No way it's obsolete. I see it selling even more.
I agree. I don't see it slowing down and that's apparent because Xbox has doubled down on production of them.
I got a Series X and PS5. Simple answer is no. MS gives players options. If you want top end there is the PC and Series X. Hell, with Gamepass MS allows you to play many ways. The Series S is clearly designed for something different and as far as I am concerned it was a great move by MS so I really don't get these topics. Besides, MS could refresh the console and at $299, what is there really to complain about. PC games are designed to run on top end, middle, low specced PCs why is this a issue for consoles?
It's new thinking for consoles. On PC, they need to support a lot of different kind of configs, whereas consoles haven't really done that so much.
Well some circles of fanboys that I come into contact with say Series S was obsolete the day it was released. Realistically though if it can continue to get next gen games albeit at lower resolutions, I feel that Series S will always have a place due to its lower price point.
Agreed. It's focused on a specific market and that's ok.
Games may become graphically unimpressive but performance wise it's cpu should hold up for 60fps I don't know about 120
Yeah, I'm perfectly happy with 1080p to 1440p at 60hz on the machine. Unless something really changes, I don't see it consistently hitting 120. I could totally be wrong tho.
Why won’t microsoft let us use a external disc drive with it
Not sure on that one. I wish they would though.
I doubt it comes down to DRM as that's located on the disc itself for physical copies. The omission of the drive was def due to cost. We may see a revision that includes it once components are more affordable for the price point.
They wanna force you to buy gamepass. Right now their pushing gamepass more so than their consoles
Love series S, small in size but with game pass, it's perfect.
Totally agree!
I don’t think so. I have a PS5 as my main console but seriously considering to buy a series s for gamepass and exclusives like Halo.
This is very common for PS5 owners so they can get the best of both worlds and no miss exclusives.
I’m in the same boat, love my PS5 but with these studios being bought and I can have both ecosystems
developers are lazy you know. there is no simple slider. considering the 1080p30fps games like guardians of the galaxy/ dying light 2, i dont think it will age well. if you are casual gamer whodont care about 60fps, its a great buy. otherwise it a real struggle. and when mid cycles comes, third party developers will spend less time optimizing on series S. series X for its performance will probably last for the whole generation(mid cycle upgrades would be focusing on true 4k60fps,) with even poor optimization at least you get 1080p 60fps very easy. if developers need to squeeze every bit of performance to make 60fps they would simply make it 1080p30fps from just simple cost profit consideration. they need a comfortable headroom of performance. games are becoming much harder to make and test. thats why i returned my series S and get a series X. unreal engine 5 might be a wild card, but series S 300GB is a real pain,
The storage on the Series S is def a sticking point. At least there are options I suppose, but not ideal out of the box. Many games we're seeing right now are cross-gen so it's harder to optimize across 8 different hardware configs. Once we get beyond the cross-gen area and start to see devs optimize and start using new tools, we'll start to see how things will start to really land.
If the new Call of duty has a 120 frames per second mode there's no excuse for any developer not to be able to run their game at 60 frames per second on the series s. Namely elden ring at 30 FPS. Dying Light 2 at 30 frames per second. Cyberpunk 30fps. This is clearly a developer issue not a hardware issue. There is an extra console on the market and instead of releasing games that utilize that hardware they release their PC build to the Xbox series X and PS5 the series s ends up getting backwards compatibility from the older console versions. So I disagree just from what I've seen but it is definitely not the fault of the console
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's dealing with cross-gen being the issue. Once that span of time is no longer an issue, I bet we'll see more of that 60hz gameplay on the Series S. Until then, we're seeing pretty poor optimization from 3rd party developers.
@@BusyDadGaming I must correct my statement I believe as of now elden ring plays at close to 50fps on the series s. But that kind of proves my point even more. The developers are in control of how the games will run.
Totally agree, devs are totally responsible for how the game runs. Playing Elden Ring on Series X has been interesting. I have it in performance mode and it's struggling.
I try today the Matrix UE5 Demo on the Series S and I was shocked. The resolution was so low that the look was not great. It runs good with 30fps. But what was wrong with the resolution?
I'm not sure, I haven't tried that on the Series S. It was a tech demo so it was geared towards high-end hardware.
It wont be obsolete. Games are made to fit the console specs. Considering the XBSS is next gen, it will support all the games. XBSX and PS5 will have higher output res and that is it. Regarding the prices of PC specs nowdays it's the best investment.
@@DeegMyster RAM is not the issue, cause games will be optimised for Series S, thus only resolution is the main difference.
@@DeegMyster You can say that for PS4 slim as well yet games are playable on all versions of PS4.
@@DeegMyster It's perfect argument, that proves my point.
LET ME GIVE SOME LIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT! What do 12 teraflops do (Series X) compared to 4 teraflops do (Series S)??? The best way to describe this would be how the end results look on a screen, and not just any screen. If you want to get the best bang for the Series S and take the most advantage of this console, then go for a 1080P 144Hz 24/27 inches gaming monitor, so why do I mention that, well it comes down to native resolution! Since the Series S in its current state is a lot closer to 1080P over 1440P, and running on a 1080P 144Hz gaming monitor, you can now enjoy some games running at 120 Hz! also, since its running at native resolution, the graphics will look tac sharp (like a Series X at 4K), and you don't need a Series X for this kind of setup! At 4K, unless you have a high-end upscaling solution, the Series S may appear a bit more pixilated at 4K (softer), and that is since it is not running at its native resolution. Did you know that 1080P at 24 inches has a pixel density of 92 dots per inch, while a 55-inch 4K TV has 80 dots per inch! In terms of visible pixels, for its size, the 24 inches will look sharper over the 4K at 55 inches! More so, the Series S games are small in size than the Series X games, since they are not using 4K assets! So this is how you make the best out of the Series S, and enjoy 120 Hz playing COD Vanguard without needing a Series X and a TV that has HDMI 2.1, and can imagine the total cost of that! If you do it right, you can enjoy some beautiful image quality for the Series S!
Sir just watched your video ...
I just want to ask one question only ..
I want to buy Xbox series S only to play GTA 6 in future when it comes out ..
Just tell me that will GTA 6 come to Xbox series S? So that I can consider to buy that only to play GTA 6
Based on rumors, GTA 6 will be coming to Series S and X. Nothing official has been announced yet on what platforms Rockstar will support, but I would expect Series X|S and PS5 to be supported.
No. Who is saying it will be obsolete? Haven't heard a single person saying the series S will be obsolete, but I've seen like a hundred videos with this same title.... lol
It's been a common concern that people have had. Nobody wants to buy a console and then it be a waste in a year.
I already own the Series S and I love it. Just give me 1080p and 60 fps. I will be satisfied.
Agreed, and I do see that become more common as we move more into current-gen and getting out of the cross-gen era.
The series s isn’t a bad console. I understand why they made 2 consoles at the start for people who want to get into gaming and not break the bank. Me I prefer the series x for the hardware and disc drive. Love your channel name..
I'm in the same boat, I prefer the Series X as well. Making two different price points really was a genius move. Where Sony has to go back to increasing PS4 console production due to PS5 supply issues, MS increased production of the Series S.
I am afraid so. Halo infinite, AC Valhalla heck even Fenyx Rising doesnt run 60 fps without performance mode! Yeah its solely the devs fault for their unability to tap into the S's full power and this will lead to the S being obselete in next 1.5 years, unless the FidelityFX tech is implemented in more games.
3rd party is really where it'll be a challenge at this early stage. That will most likely no longer be an issue once the cross-gen is eliminated.
I'm interested to see how Deathloop runs on the Series S this September
Me too. I'm hoping at least 1080p at 60hz.
@@BusyDadGaming i think it will be solid 1080p 60fps on performance mode and 1440/30fps with (maybe) RT features on quality, for example forza horizon 5 and deathloop are mostly wanting same specs and forza horizon 5 runs perfectly on series s, so why wouldnt deathloop do the same?
Halo Infinite doesn't have RT from what I understand. I bet once we start seeing more advanced features being used by devs, we will see better overall performance.
@@BusyDadGaming yeah i change that i think forza example is more accurate, and im totally agree with you, developers will begin to use rdna 2 architecture and other new features of next gen consoles once they start to develope only for next gen
Forza was very surprising on Series S. It was way better than I expected.
Still have a One X from 2017. Not really keen on series X don’t like the look of it and size of it. too expensive and difficult to get a hold of. Like series s but I’d be downgrading from my one x because of storage and no disc drive. Really hope they bring out a slim version of series X then I’d buy it.
Yeah, if you have a One X, I wouldn't personally get a Series S. I'd either wait for a Series X, or get a Series S as a secondary console.
It’s not a downgrade. Series S is literally next gen. I went from one x to series S
I have the one x too. But the series s as a secondary console and hooked it up to a gaming monitor. I use it exclusively for for the X/S optimized games and multiplayer. The load times are a night and day difference.
I got myself a Series S as a second console beside my ps5 and it‘s great, but it could have just a little bit more power to beat the one x atleast
I wish it did as well, but it tended to work out with market conditions the way they are. Hopefully a revision down the line does that, but we'll have to wait and see.
@@BusyDadGaming if they do a remake of the series s what would happen to my current series s? Would I have to buy it again? Or do I get it for free by trading in?
Yeah right
How so?
I went from ps4 to series S. And went to the series S because I could find it.
Makes total sense. Supply chain issues are just crazy. PS4 to a Series S, you'll def see an improvement.
Same here I went from ps4 to series s because I couldn't find a ps5 or a series x. And I'm happy with it
I'm glad you're enjoying it!
@@silveredgrunion7196 I have a ps5 and never use it. Gamepass is just such good deal and I like quick resume. Ps5 don't have that. Plus my ps5 puts out so much more heat. It will cook you out of a room within a couple hrs
I have a Ryzen 5500u with Radeon 7 built in GPU 16Mb RAM for Gaming and plays Fortza ... and Still the Series S is way better and cheaper than my setup including the 40" 1080p TV ;-) and the way things are going .. It will last longer than my Ryzen.
I'm working on a video of what a gaming PC would look like to compare with the Series S performance. Hint, the pricing isn't even in the same ballpark, lol.
@@BusyDadGaming Yep haha!
Probably, maybe, yes. I thought MS was going to come out with a disc Series S. Or was that just a rumor?
Just a rumor at this point. Until component prices come down, I don't see that happening any time soon and still keep the price point. A Series S with a disc drive at a $400 I doubt would sell very well.
@@BusyDadGaming
Thanks for the insight. It’s very much appreciated and helpful.
My pleasure, happy to help.
I don't think they will. The point of this console is to force you to buy gamepass cuz there's no disc drive
Series S is not next gen. Its equal to GTX 1660 performance with ray tracing around 30 fps 1440p not even 4k and as a PC gamer, playing games lower than 60 fps feels like a torture. Without ray tracing it will hold up for a while for 60+ fps. I am expecting a new console in 2 years time around like it was on Xbox One / Xbox One X era. You should be able to still play the games on S, but equal to PC's low/medium settings.
Agreed, it'll be at Med settings for quite a lot of games at 60hz. Although the Series S can technically do RT, it's not really ideal on the system. As some of the really cool dev tech starts to get more implemented, I bet we see overall better performance on the system as the generation goes on.
Personally I wish devs wouldn't leave graphics features out on series s. Then you. Go to the x and you have options that wouldnt be there,. Like cyber punk left out graphics options. On series s. So z. Got choices. Between 60fps or 30fps. All s got was HDR options. So wrong. I own a series s and love it and even bought the expansion card too
I agree, and as we move out of the cross-gen I bet we see a lot better performance. There's some cool dev tools that MS has available to leverage the Series consoles. I bet we see better performance at that point.
@@BusyDadGaming I hope so. I love my series S. It's an amazing peace of tec.
Totally agree. Based on some of the Xbox tech discussions, there are options that devs have access to that just aren't available to anything last-gen. As a result, they aren't being used in current Series games.
Hardware wise it's already obsolete. By years. It has a Jaguar cpu Architecture. Which came from 2013. I wanna see a consol made with something like a Ryzen series arch. Imagine a consol made with Ryzen 9 arch. That would be intense if you consider the one out now is Jaguar. And look what they got that thing to pump out.
It's interesting that Nvidia is manufacturing 2 generation old GPUs to try to meet market demand since their 30 Series is so hard to get.
I would love to see a console on that hardware stack. It would be pretty cool, but I highly doubt we see it any time soon.
Does the Xbox Series S not have the same CPU as the XSX? It is a Zen2 CPU
@@redrush-hp9li - It's the same CPU as the SX, just volted lower.
Nope, it will just run games at lower resolutions and frames per second is the simple explanation. A more technical explanation is lower rendering distance, texture details and reductions to certain on screen assets is some other comprises the devs can make to get a game to run on the hardware.
The hardware itself in the S is in parity with the technology and features that the X supports just a smaller chip and amount of memory bandwidth
Those are great points. Once different technologies are taken advantage of (FSR, SFS, etc.), I bet we see better overall performance (still in the 1440p to 1080p range). I'm really looking forward to that.
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I think Microsoft will support Series s to certain degree while Series x will be the main focus. Series s is a cheaper option less storage etc. A big thing is that nobody wants small storage these days and Series s has less.
Some say its a waste of money due to games having over a 100gb 8nstal or even more
There wasn't much difference between Xbox 9ne and the Xbox one x other than storage size. Xbox one x was smaller and felt better quality. Most gamers have blu ray discs for movies and TV shows so they don't want xbox series s. 4k gaming is what gamers want while S doesn't do 4k. It'll put gamers off.
I bought Xbox series X because its 4k gam8ng 4k movies discs and 1TB as I wasn't going to get Series s.
Series S would he good in a world where everything is getting more expensive due to currant world troubles and food sky high prices and sky high energy bills. I can see Series s being phased out with a new model being more attractive to buyers. A new model with 2TB storage would be ideal.
Once the backward compatible era is over, it'll get easier for devs. Then it'll work more like PC where it's a sliding scale using the same code base rather than multiple versions of a game.
doubt it, if it comes that time ill just sell my series s to get an X. Technology gets outdated fast nowadays anyways
That's very true.
Xbox has bought alot of studios and that alone I think will keep the s relevant...now I believe most games might target 30-60fps at 1080p but it will still play them
Once we move beyond the cross-gen era, I bet we start to see more games aiming for 60fps at 1080p on the Series S.
@@BusyDadGaming it's possible. Some developers aren't really happy with the S's specks...or that's the "rumor" I don't know any developers and have yet to hear an interview with one saying this. That doesn't mean it isn't the case ....just saying
Dead by daylight 2 is 30 fps that’s disgusting considering series s is considered next gen sooner or later I’ll pick up a series x
The Series X is way more powerful than the Series S, that's not in dispute. However, there's a lot of technology that isn't being used at this point because of cross-gen limitations. Things like SFS, FSR, etc., will improve the overall performance. Side note, are you referring to Dead by Daylight (2 isn't out) from back in 2018 or Dying Light 2 that just came out today? If the latter, that came down to optimization and lack of time to do so.
@@BusyDadGaming I was referring dying light 2 I always get mixed up 😂
I get mixed up sometimes with dead by daylight and dying light 😂
Lol, it happens.
As obsolete as the PoS5
Agreed.
Series S should be 1 tb as the upgrade path to 1tb, it is better to go directly to Series X
I bet we'll see a revision happen that will increase the storage, but not any time soon with market prices where they are.
I hope it at least stays at 60 fps even at 900p ( I come from Xbox one s)
Yeah, it's been pretty rare it drops below that resolution. One game that came to mind was Cyberpunk 2077.
Is it really worth upgrading from one x tho?
It really depends, but I'd personally say no at this point. Only caveat is if there is a Series only game or feature you want. Otherwise, wait until you can get a Series X.
Basically the main thing you'll get is faster load times. But you'll lose better graphics from your one x and you'll lose your bigger HDD.
What kills the series s is there only 312 gigs of usable space. Warzone and modern warfare are 300 gigs itself. So that one game will take up whole ssd.
And i know some people are like well connect a USB drive for extra storage. But if you do that you lose all those fast load times cuz usb ports don't support that fast transfer speeds. So at that point your back to your Xbox one load times.
I hope this helps.
The biggest problem is the memory bandwidth. Idk why they decided to lessen the memory bandwidth.
Yeah, not sure on that one. The Series S is half the bandwidth of the Series X, but for the numbers it's trying to hit that should be sufficient. The real question is how devs will utilize that bandwidth.
10 second in you say "Will the Series X become more obsolete...."
It's for casuals doesn't even matter
I just think that for the next-generation after the xbox series, the newer consoles will have a better foundation.. especially the one meant to replace the series s .
As we know the series s started with a shotgun pointed at it's feet , thanks to the backward compatibility with a concession simulator that is the xbox one /one s.
Really, the base xbox one tarnished the xbox image.
And we can definitely feel the consequences even to this day .
The gamepassfor example, every game which hasn't been optimized for the series s will run the xbox one code of the games .
So the series s goes with the xbox one and the gamepass is less attractive due to the backward compatibility.
The xbox one s is hurting the series s .
Even if the experience is snapy and more stable on series s .
Well it s still concessions land.
Future games should solve the problem
We really need the implementation of the velocity architecture in the games especially for the series s
We'll start to see that as the cross-gen area ends. It sounds like STALKER has been delayed to later in the year, but we'll see how many Series only games land this year to start showing what is potentially possible.
Xcloud and Game Pass are going to make Microsoft's servers burn in the coming years. So many people will buy Xboxes or join the "Xbox ecosystem" via PC. I'm excited to see, where this journey will lead the gaming industry to.
Same here. One thing to keep in mind is the servers they are using (Azure) is the same tech that powers A LOT of companies so I doubt we'll see them struggle that bad. However, if it does, that's a great problem to have on their end too.
These systems where out-of-date when they released. PCMR is always better
PC will always be ahead in tech, that's just a given. Consoles are at least a generation behind, generally speaking.
I'm okay with 1080p 60fps
Many are totally ok with it and if they want to make the step up, the option is available. It's great to have those options.
No so many people just won't have the cash for the x or the PS5 as the economy gets ready to tank shit gas its already almost 4 bucks a gallon and we all know what happened last time it was that high
Between inflation and the market conditions that existed already, consoles are more expensive than they have been in a long time. Pay a scalper on top of that and it's a really high price tag, at the high end, to get into the current-gen.
Series s is a very good console for the money it’s solid
I agree.
It was obsolete at launch.
All tech is technically obsolete before it ever hits the market, but that's tech.
The Series S is too weak,it will show it's true colours when Unreal Engine 5 Games and Fully raytraced engines come out.
It's already sub 1080P to get 60FPS in most games,microsoft fooled everyone with their "1440P 120FPS gaming machine" marketing.
If we don't have a console refresh,we are gonna reach resolutions as frequent as 600P(Already here with Metro exodus as low as 512P and Rocket league @700P),i wonder what microsoft thought releasing such a weak console without considering how demanding future games will be running on the console? I pity the people who bought it to play at 1440P 144HZ monitor or connected it to their 4K TV,if i'm spending $300 and not even expecting a console to do 1080P 60FPS in 2021 what is even the point?
It's absolutely disappointing tbh,if a console refresh isn't coming we might legit have games that can inly run on the series X and not series S(Doom eternal Already has a Raytracing 1440P 60FPS mode on Series X but not one on Series S... I don't think the console will break past more than 3-4 years)
On the other side of the token, it'll also really show us its true colors when it can properly implement FSR, SFS, and other dev technologies that will improve performance. Time will tell, but I bet as devs get better at utilizing the hardware and dev tools, it'll get better, not worse.
@@BusyDadGaming I really hope so but it's not looking too great as of now.
On a side note Dying Light 2 is gonna launch soon it's performance will cement the capabilities of the console,i'm sure the devs had enough time to get familiar with the hardware as the console has been roughly around for an entire year.(I fear we will not even have a ray tracing mode on the Series S)
I'm calling it right now,A console refresh is inevitable after 3-4 years.
Yeah, we haven't even had any next gen games to really test out on the Series S aside from Halo Infinite, and even that was downgraded from 120fps as it was in the beta because it couldn't handle it. People are being way too optimistic about the Series S because they're only playing old games through Game Pass. Just wait for Starfield or any of their other upcoming games. We'll see people (and Microsoft) change their tune then.
I have a Xbox one and trying to justify upgrading.
The Series S would be a pretty big upgrade from the Xbox One. IF you have a lot of physical media, the SS might not be the best option for you.
If gamers are too stupid to not see that game streaming is the trojan horse to them "owning" playing whatever game they have paid for whenever they want, they deserve what they are going to get.
As for the Xbox Series S, it will become the Xbox 360 to the Xbone when the next generation comes.
I have a series s hooked up to my new 4k 50 inch.
How’s it look for you?
@@BusyDadGaming amazing
Awesome! I'm glad you're enjoying it.
Fuck no.
How so?
Absolutely not it’ll do fine.
Agreed.
@@BusyDadGaming you won’t find better value.
Series S is for 1080p ,X FOR 4K thay all can go max settings in games just resolution its not the sam . SO its not like one its runnig games on medium and other in high . I thing Serirs S is for ppl like me .i use laptop with hd+ resolution so series S is preferct for me .+ its small .can carry with me in the bag